usually I do not comment videos that much, but this video was really great and its really worth to watch and listen to that nicer guy. Recommendation 100%. Thanks!
A correlation of 0 does not indicate total cancellation, in fact, it doesn't necessarily mean there will be any cancellation whatsoever when the inputs are summed. A correlation of 0 means that there is no sonic overlap whatsoever between the L and R channels. Let's say you had a perfect sine wave at 1000Hz playing in the left channel, and a perfect sine wave at 1001Hz in the right channel. The correlation meter will read zero, but you won't get any cancellation whatsoever. There is no spectral information in common between two *perfect* sines. If you do the old "fake stereo" trick, and invert the polarity of your right channel, then the meter will display a correlation of -1. When you sum the left and right, you will get total silence, again, if and only if your inverter is perfect.
Ahh my bad and thank you for pointing that out! If the needle points left of the middle, _that_ is bad. The key takeaway is to ensure that one checks what your sound (and indeed track) sounds like when summed to Mono just to make sure you haven't designed something that will lose information when played on either a mono club system or a mono bluetooth speaker, as so many are. In the video I did this with the Ableton Utility - drag that onto the master and click 'Mono', if your track suddenly is missing parts, correct accordingly. Of the recent things I've been playing with, the Joranalogue Delay 1 and ARP2600 reverb tank both use the inverted-polarity trick to create stereo, and both will have issues when summed to mono.
Splendid work sir - I've picked up a nasty cold and this cheered me up. I also bought the thing, so will be playing with it tomorrow while wrapped in 17 duvets
very useful and unique info on Mariana! Thank you! Unfortunatelly there is no way to link synth 1 with synth 2, just copy settings via hamburger menu...
What a brilliant synth this is. 🎉 As a Sub37 and Matriarch owner/user/fan this is an instant buy. Also excited at the prospect of chaining two of them to make a faux paraphonic synth ITB (like a virtual Matriarch).
Great tutorial style, loving all the tips and tricks mixed in with the actual discovering of the synth 👍🏽 . Really wished it had the option to key reset the sub oscillators as well, it’s possible with the osc themselves, but not for the sub, or maybe I missed something though ?
Moog Mariana is CPU hungry. Would be nice if Moog optimized its CPU usage. Would also be nice if somehow there was a way to not have so much paging, requiring to flip through so many different tabs back and forth while working through sound design.
It sounds great. They have good ears at Moog. How is the DRM on these plugins? I don't have to install an installer manager or anything like that do I?
Question - Are you aware of anyway to hide the pointless keyboard on the stand alone version? Seems odd to me it disappears on the VST but there seems to by no way of hiding it on the stand alone…
I like almost everything about this synth except for its hunger of CPU resources. I've also noticed a weird bug(?) where chaning parameters of pots with the mouse wheel it will work as expected when turning counter clockwise but clockwise it will kinda hang at some point and won't cycle through all available positions. Anyone else experiencing this?
I think overall it's quite good and the extensive modulation makes its sound design potential vast but I have a few gripes with the design. Why can't I control a parameter on both synths at the same time? A parameter link feature would be extremely useful and not just for the filter cutoffs. Also, being able to copy a single parameter value from one synth to the other would be really great, in a similar way to how you can copy all of the parameters from 1 > 2 and vice versa from the menu. Why are there no general macro knobs? They always come in handy. Why is the delay only available for synth 1 and the chorus for synth 2? Why not just have them as sends or selectable inserts for both voices? Weird choice. Fingers crossed some of these can be addressed in a future update.
Thanks - I definitely agree it would be nice to have a cutoff macro that controls both synths although as we saw you can build that functionality in a few clicks if you wish to have it (and any variation by mapping/linking and scaling modulation as you see fit). I'm sure Moog are reading the comments, let's see.
@mylarmelodies Oh yeah it's great that there are workarounds of course but workarounds invariably take work. If the guys from Moog do read this and want some more feedback they can shoot me a message anytime! I'm a pro nitpicker :D
Be aware that there is no such thing as Moog any longer - it’s just a name - Moog has been bought ‘Inmusic’ famous for the attitude in MPC world for not listening to customer feedback ie Akai Force. So not sure they will update /progress this
@@mylarmelodies or by assigning two cutoffs to one macros in ableton.. yep. nice. it would be also nice if they could emulate their own ladder filter at least half as good as softube model 72.
The real Moog company is gone folks, got to keep that in mind. Moog sounded the way it did because of top shelf analog components some of which Moog made themselves, and you can't fully emulate that in a plug in, even though we keep getting closer and closer for sure. some of my favorite plug ins are distortion plug ins that emulate the type of distortion in analog gear that gives you the fatness and the separation but it's all up to your ad/da converters as to how clear the stereo sound field is, which is another thing I love about staying analog. As soon as you do the conversion back and forth, it tends to blur the Soundstage from left to right just a little bit so it's not quite as clear where that specific sound is sitting. unless you have some high end converters of course like Burl or Lynx or something at that level. Even the cheap ad/da converters are getting better though. Some of this is because these great companies get bought by these conglomerates, but I still don't think it's really worth it though loosing these high end analog companies just for slightly better cheap stuff.
Tiny nuances in tone won’t make for a song that will chart better than one without - all that matters is finding gear you gel with and lets you make good tracks. It could be anything from anyone.
The 71 year old analog converters attached to my head don’t pick up anything subtle anymore. That’s okay with me. Still have a few things to wear out before I’m done.
Demoed it for a few days. Uninstalled it pretty quickly. Don't find it very good and annoying to work with. If you have selected for example control page 1 and then you close the UI and open it again it always starts from synth 1 page. It would make sense to open the last page you were on. Also the filter envelope is on another page than the filter itself, you have to scramble between pages when fine tuning something, for example the mentioned filter. The sound is not really anything special either. I found the workflow pretty annoying overall. 3/10
This was totally worth firing all the employees and moving production to Singapore! Just kidding! I’m done with Moog and my DAW comes with a synth that beats this. Flush.
The employees owned the company so technically they fired themselves. Moog was turned into an employee-owned collective so if you have an issue it's with socialism, not capitalism.
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usually I do not comment videos that much, but this video was really great and its really worth to watch and listen to that nicer guy. Recommendation 100%. Thanks!
🙌 thank you
love this synth... the only plugin that comes close to that moog subsequent sound of my moog hardware... gorgeous new possibilities here
A correlation of 0 does not indicate total cancellation, in fact, it doesn't necessarily mean there will be any cancellation whatsoever when the inputs are summed. A correlation of 0 means that there is no sonic overlap whatsoever between the L and R channels. Let's say you had a perfect sine wave at 1000Hz playing in the left channel, and a perfect sine wave at 1001Hz in the right channel. The correlation meter will read zero, but you won't get any cancellation whatsoever. There is no spectral information in common between two *perfect* sines.
If you do the old "fake stereo" trick, and invert the polarity of your right channel, then the meter will display a correlation of -1. When you sum the left and right, you will get total silence, again, if and only if your inverter is perfect.
Ahh my bad and thank you for pointing that out! If the needle points left of the middle, _that_ is bad.
The key takeaway is to ensure that one checks what your sound (and indeed track) sounds like when summed to Mono just to make sure you haven't designed something that will lose information when played on either a mono club system or a mono bluetooth speaker, as so many are.
In the video I did this with the Ableton Utility - drag that onto the master and click 'Mono', if your track suddenly is missing parts, correct accordingly.
Of the recent things I've been playing with, the Joranalogue Delay 1 and ARP2600 reverb tank both use the inverted-polarity trick to create stereo, and both will have issues when summed to mono.
Brilliant. You are a wizard. Love this synth.
Ugh.. that acid arp! So good!
Thanks - yeah it can proper rip this!!
Bloody Brilliant love it.
Only halfway through the video and just bought the iOS version… £15, what an insane price for this! Nice one man.
Wait £15? Where from, or maybe it was in a sale?
@@xrabbz2010 Yes, it was an introductory offer… Ridiculous bargain!
Splendid work sir - I've picked up a nasty cold and this cheered me up. I also bought the thing, so will be playing with it tomorrow while wrapped in 17 duvets
Thanks - If this doesn't warm you up, nothing will.
very useful and unique info on Mariana! Thank you! Unfortunatelly there is no way to link synth 1 with synth 2, just copy settings via hamburger menu...
Great video! This sounds amazing!
Superb sound and awesome that you can link instances! Thanks.
Thanks for that, it was absolutely useful to me!
dope video im loving the synth
What a brilliant synth this is. 🎉
As a Sub37 and Matriarch owner/user/fan this is an instant buy.
Also excited at the prospect of chaining two of them to make a faux paraphonic synth ITB (like a virtual Matriarch).
I bought it . Thank you for this great video
Great vid, thanks. I'm not sure if this has killed my lust for a Minitaur, but it's impressive on its own!
Yeah a bit different (more complicated!) than Minitaur and different end results but both would slay for bass duties
Really useful video ! Thank you.
Great tutorial style, loving all the tips and tricks mixed in with the actual discovering of the synth 👍🏽 . Really wished it had the option to key reset the sub oscillators as well, it’s possible with the osc themselves, but not for the sub, or maybe I missed something though ?
They make great plug-ins
Hello...... BAUUWWUAAAAAUWAAAA
Best intro ever
That looks like a loooooot of fun!
Moog Mariana is CPU hungry. Would be nice if Moog optimized its CPU usage. Would also be nice if somehow there was a way to not have so much paging, requiring to flip through so many different tabs back and forth while working through sound design.
It sounds great. They have good ears at Moog. How is the DRM on these plugins? I don't have to install an installer manager or anything like that do I?
Question - Are you aware of anyway to hide the pointless keyboard on the stand alone version? Seems odd to me it disappears on the VST but there seems to by no way of hiding it on the stand alone…
Looks cool
Great presenter and tutorial.
Thought it was just a software minotaur when I first saw it, but - oh my!
I like almost everything about this synth except for its hunger of CPU resources. I've also noticed a weird bug(?) where chaning parameters of pots with the mouse wheel it will work as expected when turning counter clockwise but clockwise it will kinda hang at some point and won't cycle through all available positions. Anyone else experiencing this?
This vid is Splendistry
So sad that it does not support iPhone 11, but this does look like beauty bass beast❤
Any way to reduce cpu load?
I think overall it's quite good and the extensive modulation makes its sound design potential vast but I have a few gripes with the design.
Why can't I control a parameter on both synths at the same time? A parameter link feature would be extremely useful and not just for the filter cutoffs.
Also, being able to copy a single parameter value from one synth to the other would be really great, in a similar way to how you can copy all of the parameters from 1 > 2 and vice versa from the menu.
Why are there no general macro knobs? They always come in handy.
Why is the delay only available for synth 1 and the chorus for synth 2? Why not just have them as sends or selectable inserts for both voices? Weird choice.
Fingers crossed some of these can be addressed in a future update.
Thanks - I definitely agree it would be nice to have a cutoff macro that controls both synths although as we saw you can build that functionality in a few clicks if you wish to have it (and any variation by mapping/linking and scaling modulation as you see fit). I'm sure Moog are reading the comments, let's see.
@mylarmelodies Oh yeah it's great that there are workarounds of course but workarounds invariably take work. If the guys from Moog do read this and want some more feedback they can shoot me a message anytime! I'm a pro nitpicker :D
Be aware that there is no such thing as Moog any longer - it’s just a name - Moog has been bought ‘Inmusic’ famous for the attitude in MPC world for not listening to customer feedback ie Akai Force. So not sure they will update /progress this
@@AutisticCuriosityyes
But can it mimic a Taurus?
Does it have a "add more analog warmth" dial 😂😂😂😂😂
Uh, yeah!
Such a disappointment that there is no master filter.. disconnected sub osc filter drives me crazy))
25:43 - there is always a way
@@mylarmelodies or by assigning two cutoffs to one macros in ableton.. yep. nice. it would be also nice if they could emulate their own ladder filter at least half as good as softube model 72.
@@77advanced this particular synth doesn't use a ladder style filter as that would destroy the bass when the resonance is turned up.
@@pmumble76it’s a soft synth so couldn’t they just program it to keep the bass with resonance as there’s no real diodes here
@@AutisticCuriositySure, but then it's not emulating a ladder filter.
Almost 100% cpu.😉
The real Moog company is gone folks, got to keep that in mind. Moog sounded the way it did because of top shelf analog components some of which Moog made themselves, and you can't fully emulate that in a plug in, even though we keep getting closer and closer for sure. some of my favorite plug ins are distortion plug ins that emulate the type of distortion in analog gear that gives you the fatness and the separation but it's all up to your ad/da converters as to how clear the stereo sound field is, which is another thing I love about staying analog. As soon as you do the conversion back and forth, it tends to blur the Soundstage from left to right just a little bit so it's not quite as clear where that specific sound is sitting. unless you have some high end converters of course like Burl or Lynx or something at that level. Even the cheap ad/da converters are getting better though. Some of this is because these great companies get bought by these conglomerates, but I still don't think it's really worth it though loosing these high end analog companies just for slightly better cheap stuff.
Tiny nuances in tone won’t make for a song that will chart better than one without - all that matters is finding gear you gel with and lets you make good tracks. It could be anything from anyone.
The 71 year old analog converters attached to my head don’t pick up anything subtle anymore. That’s okay with me. Still have a few things to wear out before I’m done.
Demoed it for a few days. Uninstalled it pretty quickly. Don't find it very good and annoying to work with.
If you have selected for example control page 1 and then you close the UI and open it again it always starts from synth 1 page. It would make sense to open the last page you were on.
Also the filter envelope is on another page than the filter itself, you have to scramble between pages when fine tuning something, for example the mentioned filter.
The sound is not really anything special either.
I found the workflow pretty annoying overall.
3/10
This was totally worth firing all the employees and moving production to Singapore! Just kidding! I’m done with Moog and my DAW comes with a synth that beats this. Flush.
You are spicy and based
The employees owned the company so technically they fired themselves. Moog was turned into an employee-owned collective so if you have an issue it's with socialism, not capitalism.
@@Danksta02 the employees had a stake but one guy retained majority so really that whole “employee owned” thing was a scam look it up
@@FreeThink1984 employee owned IS a scam. Congrats on waking up.
@@Danksta02 wtf are you talking about “waking up” I never said it wasn’t a scam