Sweeeeet. WMP .22 Mag. for the win. It seems the approved list works well. I had some very old .22 mag. rifle stuff I ran through mine a couple of months ago... it fired it, but it was like shrapnel going off in my face with the blast back... glad I had eye protection on. after about 15 rounds and it blowing my magazine loose, I tossed it. Simply dangerous and I did not push my luck. Definitely sticking with the modern approved list.
It’s been a while since I watched any videos from You. I was around when you first started when you were barely in the hundreds of subscribers it’s great to see your channel growing! 👍
A couple of my friends and I have these. After a couple of hundred rounds they all function perfectly! I like the Hornaday vmax for accuracy! It runs great!
CCI maxi mags are all I use in my WMP. I stick with the TMJ version as the hollow points don't expand at WMP velocity. Same with the Hornady 30 grain vmax. Zero expansion at all. Winchester 40 grain JHP Super X will give some expansion.
I purchased two wmp’s aka his and her’s. I am happy so far… I’ve only shot cci 40 grainer’s, Hornady Critical Defense 22 and gold dot. I haven’t bothered with any Winchester or Remington ammo… Other than my wife having to get used to the muzzle blast, it’s been clear sailing! Cheers!
Nope. Just imagine you are looking at sights lined up level and proper. Aka "even height/even light"... then imagine 1/2 of the rear sight height fading away. Your front sight would be protruding up and you would need to push the front of the blaster down to get level again. This would result in a lower shot. Thanks for watching!👍👊🦃
That doesn't look like an out of battery situation.. if you look at the footage, the slide was fully forward when you pulled the trigger.. I'd say it was definitely an ammo issue, not the gun... And no, I don't own one... Just going by the video evidence..🤣
The evidence you're looking for is on the case. You cannot slow down the frame rate with your eyeballs. The case shows that when the detonation happened it was partially in battery partially out of battery. We still don't know what caused that situation to happen.👊👍🦃
I was thinking the same, but it sort of was out of batter - just not in the way of typically considered out of battery. As you said, it was in battery when he pulled the trigger. 8:43 - I noticed that sound as well. Mostly because I was specifically listening because in his other video, and he showed it again here...if you pause & frame-advance, the one that boomed has 1 frame where the hammer drops and the slide starts back, but it's not until the next frame that there's actual detonation of powder and we saw what that did. The one he picked up from the ground did indeed have that same sound and he said the same thing I was thinking that it sounds like a bit of a hang-fire. So this issue, across different ammo types, seems more like a gun problem. Is .22 magnum considered temperature sensitive that it could be messing with full detonation? dunno. just guessing. But those sounds of hang-fire were clear as day to me in this video.
With WMR semi-autos, you really want to use 45 and 50 grain as even some 40 grain don't have enough umph to fully cycle the slide. I've got an Automag II and PMR 30 and never had a round blow in the chamber like that, albeit, I always use the CCI 45 and 50 grain rounds as I found they cycle the gun best. The Hornady 45 grain critical defense is what I normally carry in my PMR30. This thing has inferior sites, half the mag capacity, the hammer is distracting and is bigger, heavier and more expensive than the PMR30 - get that instead.
Thanks for the video. I’ve been looking at them and I won’t be buying one. No way would I buy one if it’s picky on ammo. I’ve had a $1900 Dan Wesson 1911 that was picky and I got rid of it because everything had to be seated .003 shorter just to run reliably. It’s not like it’s a precision weapon.
That pistol looks good to me, I like the white with black trim. The chamber looked rough to me. I think the kaboom was case failure of that round. 🫡👍👍🇺🇲
Sorry too many do this don't do that. 22 Mag costs as much or more then 9mm. Don't see the point in this pistol. Either get a 22LR or a 9mm for a plinking pistol. Thanks for the test.
Can watch you prep the trigger, and realign your sights, by watching the hammer flag around. I wonder what would possess Walther to make this a DA pistol. That mouth of the chamber, circumferential roughness, seems to be intentional. Walther can obviously cut the rest of the chamber cleaner. Maybe, it's engineered in to help time the cycle, but fouling would probably throw a wrench in it, inconsistently. Seems to run good enough, nothing wrong with feeding it, what it likes.
Humm. The failure to fire business could be a slightly slow striker. I can't say I've had issues with 22mag primers. 22LR? oh yes. If I remember right, the TX22 has fluted chamber as well. I can't say for certain, but I do believe it was for reducing feeding friction and increasing semi-auto reliability. The lock/unlock function shouldn't have any dependency on the casing gripping the chamber. That's a gas pressure function and the slide weight should be tuned to operate with whatever recommended loads it can tolerate. I'd still stay away from 22wmr semi-autos in my personal opinion. Glad it seems to be working better so far.
They are such a pain. I personally like this gun a lot for some weird reason. I want it to work. I think some of it is just because it looks cool. The trigger is definitely too far forward for me, I can't stand any questionable reliability and I don't really need it. But I still really like it. I'm thinking about putting an extremely cheap red dot on it, One of those chinese amazon wonders.... And I don't even like red dots. So this whole thing makes no sense🤣😄🤷♂️👍👍👍👍👊🦃
@@theturkeysopinion I've a Ruger Single Six in the old school flavor, before the transfer bar was added. Faux pearl grips, deep lustrous bluing. If you want a safe one, you can only load 5. There's no real reason to have it for it's shortcomings but I still like it. However, I know I could fire 100,000 rounds through it and with regular cleaning, it wouldn't have a problem. hahaha
It is a great looking firearm. You do run into these finicky problems with 22 mag and 22 long rifle. Test that sucker let's see. I have an M&P I don't like the pistol at all the grip just sucks. I think your Walther is a much better option, so far anyway
It’s ludicrous that a company like Walther, would produce a firearm in .22 WMR, that had an exclusionary list of ammunition. It makes zero sense. Of course, this is the same company that produced the abysmal P22, which I witness a slide - yes a slide crack and eject the rear sight into the shooters glasses. After that, anything Walther - even their much lauded offerings, are off my list forever. My buddy has a Kel Tec (yeah that company) that gobbles up everything he feeds it and has been 100% for years.
Agreed. All of these “Walther” rimfires are made under licence by Umarex, an air gun manufacturer. This is not the same arms manufacturer that builds the PDP and PPK etc.
@ - Good to know - thanks! If Walther though, wants to maintain their air of quality, then they should demand quality standards of their subcontractors. When I watched that P22 come apart, it sent a message to me, to stay away from Walther.
.22 WMR is famous for being unreliable in semi auto guns. I’d rather them have extensively tested it and said “hey these don’t work great” rather than having to test it all myself.
Not ludicrous at all. Historically firearms manufacturers have stayed away from semi-auto-ifying the .22wmr due to case geometry and burn pressure (they are the same pressure as .22lr). Case ruptures were happening at an unacceptable rate. This means there's still high enough pressure in the case when the bolt starts moving backward to allow unsupported case, and it ruptures. Why unlock so early? Because the casing is long enough to require the time to fully extract before the pressure falls. If an ammo company wanted to create a semi-auto casing in 22 caliber, it would never make the 22wmr because it's not geometrically optimal, or running optimal pressure. .22LR has no such problems. All of this is very barrel length dependent, slide weight and spring tension dependent, otherwise you've fallen out of the rather precise alignment of the planets to get a .22wmr to function reliably. Hence the variation in ammo tolerance.
It was a squib, I thought so.👍 I was told before I bought mine to look at the Walther Website for recommended ammo, but you are correct, it is not in my manual either.🤷♂ I just shot mine at the range over the weekend, so it is dirty. I can see the scores in my chamber as well, they are not that noticeable in it's current state. I think I might revisit some of the ones that have failed before, but clean just the chamber to see if it changes anything. CCI Maxi Mag and maybe one other 40 grainer (not CCI) that has worked for me, but it was an oddball one that I won't likely buy again because of cost. But 45 grain and up are what mine like so far. I did pick up a box of Hornady Critical Defense that is 45 grain today.🤞🤞🤞 Can't wait till you get a Dot on that thing, you will LOVE a dot on it. I have mine sighted for 25 yards and I plink at spent shotgun shells out to that at the range.👍 When I am running the ammo it likes, it is my favorite pistol to shoot. In fact, it is fun enough that I have even invested in those high priced Walther mags,🫡 I hate reloading mags at the range.😁 Oh yeah, anyone that says a 22lr doesn't have recoil, they need to shoot some Federal Punch out of a Taurus TX22 Compact. You will feel Federal Punch in your wrists with that pistol, 👍 but it is NOT significant.🤷♂
At 8:43 - I heard that sound of "hang-fire" before he finally mentioned it after 9:38 with the one he picked up from the ground. There's something amiss with the firing sequence going on it seems. Do you record all of your range sessions? This sort of stuff is exactly why I began recording what's going on and ended up with a miserable channel lol. It's actually pretty wild the amount of odd things that go on if you review and really pay close attention that people might miss if only firing away. Just ask Triggerbar. heh
@@ShastaBean I rarely record anything.🤷♂ I usually only record a short video of a specific tool if someone wants to see it. And ONLY if I don't have a range full of idiots I need to keep my eye on.🙄🙄 I do hear what you mean about maybe a hang fire, but it is not something I would routinely pick up on, and I've never experienced one, that I know of.🤷♂ In fact, other than on TH-cam, I don't think I've ever seen one.🤔 The squib in yesterdays video I have seen & experienced many times.👍 The R.O.'s used to put a squib load followed by a blank randomly in one of the many magazines we fired on range day, just to see if we caught it.
@@Disastrous.Affect So you mean the shot he fired prior to the kaboom was a squib? Hard to be sure, but I do feel like I can hear the steel being "rung"...and sort of feel like 1 of the two of them would have noticed if no steel moved (even if it is so slight because it's 22 wmr and not 5.7 or as some call it, "overpriced 22 wmr". lol)
@@ShastaBean Yes on the squib, *** edit*it looked like the one that popped was under-powered and fired just enough to get the slide, sliding back and blew,*** and 🦃 confirmed it in tonight's video.👍 I would not say 5.7 is overpriced 22 wmr, I would say it is just over priced. The round is interesting, just not in the way it is marketed, and definitely not the way it is priced.🤷♂
@@Disastrous.Affect I know he called it a squib load...but the squib isn't what typically blows up, but rather the shot that follows - and there should be expected to find 2 bullets in the barrel if you fire a round after a squib? So being just 1 in there, tells me the case ruptured and blew pressure out the base which meant not enough pressure to force that 1shot out the barrel. And I think 5.7 can live up to whatever marketing...but wholly agree that what is widely commercially available certainly does NOT live up to any marketing or actual capability. And so in that way - yes, overpriced. Maybe not so much for good defensive options - plenty of other calibers sail way beyond $1.50 - $2 /rd for quality defensive loads. But range ammo? Federal AE or Fiocchi junk being $.48/rd is admittedly too high. Other caliber range ammo price$/rd: .380 acp - $.32, 10mm - $.40, .40sw - $.30, .45acp - $.37, .38spcl - $.42, .357 mag - $.55, .357 sig - $.52, .30 super carry $.41 and of course...9mm - $.22, .22wmr - $.22 and .22lr - $.11 Hornady Critical Defense in 9mm (115gr & 135gr) from Palmetto is $1.04 or $1.14. Palmetto 5.7 Critical Defense is $1.04 /rd. So it really comes down to 9mm skews price expectations, along with supply & demand for pretty much all calibers other than that are more expensive to train with.
Its surprising cause Walther makes great guns , I saw these on sale for 200$ less then last year in white and almost got one now ill just buy a Rock Compact in 5.7
I like Walther firearms in general... but if you are going to make/engineer a semi automatic 22Magnum, you better "bring your lunch" so to speak. Ask AMT (AutoMag II), KelTec, S&W, etc... all of these firearms have outside the norm and never done before engineering going on to TRY to make them function safely.
I really would not falt it for not liking armscor ammo Thats some nast stuff in everything i have ever tried. And there really no such thing as defense ammo in a 22mag no matter what the manufacturer say
This is why you'll never see a bull-pup on the Shasta Bean channel. I can't imagine ever being comfortable with my face resting on top of the exact place where the explosion takes place. Hard pass.
Nice 2 part show. Well done!!
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Thanks for watching the show!👍👍👊🦃
Sweeeeet. WMP .22 Mag. for the win. It seems the approved list works well. I had some very old .22 mag. rifle stuff I ran through mine a couple of months ago... it fired it, but it was like shrapnel going off in my face with the blast back... glad I had eye protection on. after about 15 rounds and it blowing my magazine loose, I tossed it. Simply dangerous and I did not push my luck. Definitely sticking with the modern approved list.
It’s been a while since I watched any videos from
You. I was around when you first started when you were barely in the hundreds of subscribers it’s great to see your channel growing! 👍
Thanks for the comment!👊👊👍🦃
A couple of my friends and I have these. After a couple of hundred rounds they all function perfectly! I like the Hornaday vmax for accuracy! It runs great!
CCI maxi mags are all I use in my WMP. I stick with the TMJ version as the hollow points don't expand at WMP velocity. Same with the Hornady 30 grain vmax. Zero expansion at all. Winchester 40 grain JHP Super X will give some expansion.
I want to buy one! I love the fireball and rings what’s the best .22 mag ammo for fireballs and rings ?
thanks for update video looks like ammo related
I purchased two wmp’s aka his and her’s. I am happy so far… I’ve only shot cci 40 grainer’s, Hornady Critical Defense 22 and gold dot. I haven’t bothered with any Winchester or Remington ammo… Other than my wife having to get used to the muzzle blast, it’s been clear sailing!
Cheers!
How’s the blast to the face ?
Walther White: Breaking Pistol
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Yup👊👍🦃
It would be interesting to see this gun compared to the older Rock Island XT 22.
👍👍🦃...nice firearm...issues can be resolved..its a keeper
Agreed. I think🤞👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👊🦃
I hope it works out that looks like one I might like my self.
wont changing the rear sight to a lower one make it shoot even higher?
Nope. Just imagine you are looking at sights lined up level and proper. Aka "even height/even light"... then imagine 1/2 of the rear sight height fading away. Your front sight would be protruding up and you would need to push the front of the blaster down to get level again. This would result in a lower shot.
Thanks for watching!👍👊🦃
That doesn't look like an out of battery situation.. if you look at the footage, the slide was fully forward when you pulled the trigger.. I'd say it was definitely an ammo issue, not the gun... And no, I don't own one... Just going by the video evidence..🤣
It blew the paint off so it wasn't fully closed ..it was close but if it locked up a 22 mag wouldn't have that force to take chunks off
The evidence you're looking for is on the case. You cannot slow down the frame rate with your eyeballs. The case shows that when the detonation happened it was partially in battery partially out of battery. We still don't know what caused that situation to happen.👊👍🦃
I was thinking the same, but it sort of was out of batter - just not in the way of typically considered out of battery. As you said, it was in battery when he pulled the trigger.
8:43 - I noticed that sound as well. Mostly because I was specifically listening because in his other video, and he showed it again here...if you pause & frame-advance, the one that boomed has 1 frame where the hammer drops and the slide starts back, but it's not until the next frame that there's actual detonation of powder and we saw what that did. The one he picked up from the ground did indeed have that same sound and he said the same thing I was thinking that it sounds like a bit of a hang-fire. So this issue, across different ammo types, seems more like a gun problem.
Is .22 magnum considered temperature sensitive that it could be messing with full detonation? dunno. just guessing. But those sounds of hang-fire were clear as day to me in this video.
@shastabean Yeah, this is kinda weird🤔 i wonder if/when it will happen again?
Darn it. I like 22wmr but it sure does not care for me👊👍🦃
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Thanks for confirming @shastabean👊👍👍🦃
Glad to see it wasn't disseroyed by that out of battery explosion.
Does the fired brass show any evidence of the grooves that are on the inside of the chamber? Just curiosity.
Nope. Pretty interesting. I've seen it on 308 brass.👊👍🦃
@@theturkeysopinion Thank you!
For sure! 👊👍🦃
With WMR semi-autos, you really want to use 45 and 50 grain as even some 40 grain don't have enough umph to fully cycle the slide.
I've got an Automag II and PMR 30 and never had a round blow in the chamber like that, albeit, I always use the CCI 45 and 50 grain rounds as I found they cycle the gun best.
The Hornady 45 grain critical defense is what I normally carry in my PMR30.
This thing has inferior sites, half the mag capacity, the hammer is distracting and is bigger, heavier and more expensive than the PMR30 - get that instead.
Thanks for the video. I’ve been looking at them and I won’t be buying one. No way would I buy one if it’s picky on ammo. I’ve had a $1900 Dan Wesson 1911 that was picky and I got rid of it because everything had to be seated .003 shorter just to run reliably. It’s not like it’s a precision weapon.
That pistol looks good to me, I like the white with black trim. The chamber looked rough to me. I think the kaboom was case failure of that round. 🫡👍👍🇺🇲
Sorry too many do this don't do that. 22 Mag costs as much or more then 9mm. Don't see the point in this pistol. Either get a 22LR or a 9mm for a plinking pistol. Thanks for the test.
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I have only used cci mini mag 40 grain and no issues. That explosion is scary looking. Ever had that happen with any other gun?
Yes, CCI stingers in a .22 LR once. I think that is it. * Some guns do
not chamber the stinger round well.👍👊🦃
Can watch you prep the trigger, and realign your sights, by watching the hammer flag around. I wonder what would possess Walther to make this a DA pistol.
That mouth of the chamber, circumferential roughness, seems to be intentional. Walther can obviously cut the rest of the chamber cleaner. Maybe, it's engineered in to help time the cycle, but fouling would probably throw a wrench in it, inconsistently. Seems to run good enough, nothing wrong with feeding it, what it likes.
Mine had so much burning blowback, it speckled my face every shot. I returned it! I will suggest warning - use safety glasses!
Re the slightly rough chamber mouth...it's not pretty, but I don't think it's going to cause any negative effects.
Same thing happened to me chiappa 17hmr revolver Winchester 20gr hp big flash and recoil burnt my hand cracked the frame!
Ouch🧨 darn it...but a chiappa 17hmr? Huh... sounds like a cool gun👍🦃👊
Humm. The failure to fire business could be a slightly slow striker. I can't say I've had issues with 22mag primers. 22LR? oh yes.
If I remember right, the TX22 has fluted chamber as well. I can't say for certain, but I do believe it was for reducing feeding friction and increasing semi-auto reliability. The lock/unlock function shouldn't have any dependency on the casing gripping the chamber. That's a gas pressure function and the slide weight should be tuned to operate with whatever recommended loads it can tolerate.
I'd still stay away from 22wmr semi-autos in my personal opinion. Glad it seems to be working better so far.
It's hammer fired.
They are such a pain. I personally like this gun a lot for some weird reason. I want it to work. I think some of it is just because it looks cool. The trigger is definitely too far forward for me, I can't stand any questionable reliability and I don't really need it. But I still really like it. I'm thinking about putting an extremely cheap red dot on it, One of those chinese amazon wonders.... And I don't even like red dots. So this whole thing makes no sense🤣😄🤷♂️👍👍👍👍👊🦃
@@shane3878 I should have stated "firing pin" instead of striker.
@@theturkeysopinion I've a Ruger Single Six in the old school flavor, before the transfer bar was added. Faux pearl grips, deep lustrous bluing. If you want a safe one, you can only load 5. There's no real reason to have it for it's shortcomings but I still like it. However, I know I could fire 100,000 rounds through it and with regular cleaning, it wouldn't have a problem. hahaha
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It might be a disclaimer warning for design your own experiment ammo
It is a great looking firearm. You do run into these finicky problems with 22 mag and 22 long rifle. Test that sucker let's see. I have an M&P I don't like the pistol at all the grip just sucks. I think your Walther is a much better option, so far anyway
Interesting ! Guess a revolver would be better.
It’s ludicrous that a company like Walther, would produce a firearm in .22 WMR, that had an exclusionary list of ammunition. It makes zero sense. Of course, this is the same company that produced the abysmal P22, which I witness a slide - yes a slide crack and eject the rear sight into the shooters glasses. After that, anything Walther - even their much lauded offerings, are off my list forever. My buddy has a Kel Tec (yeah that company) that gobbles up everything he feeds it and has been 100% for years.
Agreed. All of these “Walther” rimfires are made under licence by Umarex, an air gun manufacturer. This is not the same arms manufacturer that builds the PDP and PPK etc.
@ - Good to know - thanks! If Walther though, wants to maintain their air of quality, then they should demand quality standards of their subcontractors. When I watched that P22 come apart, it sent a message to me, to stay away from Walther.
@@kenpickett9317ding ding ding
.22 WMR is famous for being unreliable in semi auto guns. I’d rather them have extensively tested it and said “hey these don’t work great” rather than having to test it all myself.
Not ludicrous at all.
Historically firearms manufacturers have stayed away from semi-auto-ifying the .22wmr due to case geometry and burn pressure (they are the same pressure as .22lr). Case ruptures were happening at an unacceptable rate. This means there's still high enough pressure in the case when the bolt starts moving backward to allow unsupported case, and it ruptures. Why unlock so early? Because the casing is long enough to require the time to fully extract before the pressure falls.
If an ammo company wanted to create a semi-auto casing in 22 caliber, it would never make the 22wmr because it's not geometrically optimal, or running optimal pressure. .22LR has no such problems.
All of this is very barrel length dependent, slide weight and spring tension dependent, otherwise you've fallen out of the rather precise alignment of the planets to get a .22wmr to function reliably. Hence the variation in ammo tolerance.
Failure to function transulates to failure to defend transulates to failure to protect.
Agreed👍👊🦃
It was a squib, I thought so.👍
I was told before I bought mine to look at the Walther Website for recommended ammo, but you are correct, it is not in my manual either.🤷♂
I just shot mine at the range over the weekend, so it is dirty. I can see the scores in my chamber as well, they are not that noticeable in it's current state. I think I might revisit some of the ones that have failed before, but clean just the chamber to see if it changes anything.
CCI Maxi Mag and maybe one other 40 grainer (not CCI) that has worked for me, but it was an oddball one that I won't likely buy again because of cost. But 45 grain and up are what mine like so far.
I did pick up a box of Hornady Critical Defense that is 45 grain today.🤞🤞🤞
Can't wait till you get a Dot on that thing, you will LOVE a dot on it. I have mine sighted for 25 yards and I plink at spent shotgun shells out to that at the range.👍 When I am running the ammo it likes, it is my favorite pistol to shoot. In fact, it is fun enough that I have even invested in those high priced Walther mags,🫡 I hate reloading mags at the range.😁
Oh yeah, anyone that says a 22lr doesn't have recoil, they need to shoot some Federal Punch out of a Taurus TX22 Compact. You will feel Federal Punch in your wrists with that pistol, 👍 but it is NOT significant.🤷♂
At 8:43 - I heard that sound of "hang-fire" before he finally mentioned it after 9:38 with the one he picked up from the ground. There's something amiss with the firing sequence going on it seems.
Do you record all of your range sessions? This sort of stuff is exactly why I began recording what's going on and ended up with a miserable channel lol. It's actually pretty wild the amount of odd things that go on if you review and really pay close attention that people might miss if only firing away. Just ask Triggerbar. heh
@@ShastaBean I rarely record anything.🤷♂ I usually only record a short video of a specific tool if someone wants to see it.
And ONLY if I don't have a range full of idiots I need to keep my eye on.🙄🙄
I do hear what you mean about maybe a hang fire, but it is not something I would routinely pick up on, and I've never experienced one, that I know of.🤷♂ In fact, other than on TH-cam, I don't think I've ever seen one.🤔 The squib in yesterdays video I have seen & experienced many times.👍 The R.O.'s used to put a squib load followed by a blank randomly in one of the many magazines we fired on range day, just to see if we caught it.
@@Disastrous.Affect So you mean the shot he fired prior to the kaboom was a squib? Hard to be sure, but I do feel like I can hear the steel being "rung"...and sort of feel like 1 of the two of them would have noticed if no steel moved (even if it is so slight because it's 22 wmr and not 5.7 or as some call it, "overpriced 22 wmr". lol)
@@ShastaBean Yes on the squib, *** edit*it looked like the one that popped was under-powered and fired just enough to get the slide, sliding back and blew,*** and 🦃 confirmed it in tonight's video.👍
I would not say 5.7 is overpriced 22 wmr, I would say it is just over priced. The round is interesting, just not in the way it is marketed, and definitely not the way it is priced.🤷♂
@@Disastrous.Affect I know he called it a squib load...but the squib isn't what typically blows up, but rather the shot that follows - and there should be expected to find 2 bullets in the barrel if you fire a round after a squib? So being just 1 in there, tells me the case ruptured and blew pressure out the base which meant not enough pressure to force that 1shot out the barrel.
And I think 5.7 can live up to whatever marketing...but wholly agree that what is widely commercially available certainly does NOT live up to any marketing or actual capability. And so in that way - yes, overpriced. Maybe not so much for good defensive options - plenty of other calibers sail way beyond $1.50 - $2 /rd for quality defensive loads. But range ammo? Federal AE or Fiocchi junk being $.48/rd is admittedly too high.
Other caliber range ammo price$/rd: .380 acp - $.32, 10mm - $.40, .40sw - $.30, .45acp - $.37, .38spcl - $.42, .357 mag - $.55, .357 sig - $.52, .30 super carry $.41 and of course...9mm - $.22, .22wmr - $.22 and .22lr - $.11
Hornady Critical Defense in 9mm (115gr & 135gr) from Palmetto is $1.04 or $1.14. Palmetto 5.7 Critical Defense is $1.04 /rd.
So it really comes down to 9mm skews price expectations, along with supply & demand for pretty much all calibers other than that are more expensive to train with.
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I wouldn't buy a gun where they say don't use half manufactured ammo ..seems like the should just fix this gun
Its surprising cause Walther makes great guns , I saw these on sale for 200$ less then last year in white and almost got one now ill just buy a Rock Compact in 5.7
I like Walther firearms in general... but if you are going to make/engineer a semi automatic 22Magnum, you better "bring your lunch" so to speak.
Ask AMT (AutoMag II), KelTec, S&W, etc... all of these firearms have outside the norm and never done before engineering going on to TRY to make them function safely.
I really would not falt it for not liking armscor ammo
Thats some nast stuff in everything i have ever tried.
And there really no such thing as defense ammo in a 22mag no matter what the manufacturer say
I really don't like ammo sensitive guns.
I really think that was the ammo and not the gun.
This is why you'll never see a bull-pup on the Shasta Bean channel. I can't imagine ever being comfortable with my face resting on top of the exact place where the explosion takes place. Hard pass.
100% me too👊👍🦃
I wouldn't trust any semi auto 22 wmr.
Just not worth having. To many problems. Never should have been released,
Umarex….💩