Wels (or rather mine) exposé: neither arapaima, nor wallago responsible for koi tail damage spree
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Maybe the Wels wants either bigger feedings or more diverse feeding or both? He is a bad ass and he wants a meal fit for a king! 🐟🐟🐟🐠🐟🐟🐟👑❤👑‼️ Glad you figured it out! 😊
Thank you. He had been wanting more but showing it so poorly.
Im so happy that I was right. He was indeed hungry. I always wondered he ate a lot less for his size. 😊 Thank you for taking my comment into consideration like you always do Victor. Im super excited for the Jumbos to join this 25k exhibit and also that 10k build, but we need to be patient cuz how much can a lone man do? Respect! and all the best!
Thank you. That comment catalyzed the correct analysis. The jumbos moving to the 25K has not been decided yet. It's too risky. They may destroy the 25K.
Thank you!
The fact that you can hear very clearly when the arapaima strikes is amazing....I imagine that wouldnt feel to good on your hand
Pima are extreme suction predators. Even at the current size can easily suck in feed 6-12 inches away from their mouth without touching it.
I always love the big pond videos. It really is my favorite
Would be cool to have more long looks into it. I mean you dont even have to talk. I really dig just watching.
As well as the great info of course.
:) right, I don't have to talk. But if I talked, it'd be great too. I am teasing you :) I understand your point. I love watching the big tank. Big fish are mesmerizing to watch, can be therapeutic and hypnotic too. Ultimately, I love getting inside with mask and snorkel.
@@Fish-Story I always appreciate your commentary along with seeing all your amazing fish.
You've been invariably and entirely too kind to us. Thank you.
@@JamesM527 I enjoy the commentary as well.
Thats not my point.
Point is I have no issues with dead airtime. Just that letting the camera linger on the fish after the info makes me happy.
That sentence was meant to be a relief to our host. Sometimes content creators think its important to always have something to say. When in fish tank tube the opposite is true.
Simple as
Your comment is not directed at me but I thought I'd still say thank you and good to know I understood it exactly.
oh man that is a beautiful fish , looks like a dragon
half fish half dragon :)
Wels catfish is stunning bro
Thank you. We are humbled by this luck.
That fish is awesome Vic
We are priviledged and humbled by keeping it.
@@Fish-Story yesssir Respect
Carp is the natural prey of the wels catfish. In the Rio Ebro in Spain the catfish grow huge eating carp.
Right, yes, thank you. I am told / I read the Spanish also dump fish food into Ebro by truck loads, to feed the wels or their prey. Do you know anything about this?
The Wel’s reminds me of my Maltipoo! Super picky!
Maybe u can use a pipe or tube to get the food to the bottom faster .train him to spot feed
That's a good idea and a reminder. Thank you. Once I get bitten too much too bad by the pima, I will be coerced into trying that, I guess :)
I'm having the exact same problem trying to get food down to my stingray. It's got to get past all the top feeders, then she's got to compete with all the bottom feeders. And sometimes I don't think she wants to , the tiger shovelnose freaks her out when he goes for the food because he's so aggressive about it.
I can see that, yes. Like a peer suggested, maybe pipe training can be tried. Yes, TSN lunge to snatch their feed.
That's exactly what I was going to do it's funny you said that great minds, feeding tube I got something in the works just for the stingrays less aggressive food driven fish. I'm growing a couple more motoro juveniles out.
Big boy wants more eats 😁
Are you talking about your cravings for the night snacks?
@@Fish-Story you got me 😁
Isn’t he magnificent,I mean the Wels :)
Fit for a king :)
mullet is part of your wells catfish "diet" however... like you said and observed its very moody eater. like all catfish, even of its own separate species they can either territorial or even *opitunistic* eaters nimbling on other fish tails and backs. its not to be worried about. as a opposed to them constantly killing other fish and not even trying to eat them. they are scavenger's first and foremost(so scraps are something they like to forage for, why not try leaving some scraps on the bottom of the tanks like bits and pieces of crab,crickets, even allow some golden live fish for them to eat) : and they are not surface or middle tier roaming fish like the arowana', araripama, sturgeon sharks and goilath tiger fish
Wels can hunt in any strata although bottom is the most frequent one. We don't feed live feeder fish as this carries risks of pathogen transfer and trains a predator to prey on tank mates; plus we believe it is unethical (for us), others can opine differently. Feed cannot be left in a community tank for one fish.
11:48 He didn't spit it out. It fell out of his cavernous mouth..MUST FEED MONSTER MORE.
It can't fall out, he dropped it on purpose I think. At least he seems to have picked it back up. Yes, mufeemomo!
Is that mahseer blind on its right side or is that just the light reflecting off its eye?
Yes, that 2ft golden mahseer is one eyed.
Beautiful catfish Vic. Hell get huge in there the European Wells get huge he's awsome budd.i saw a aripima eat a baby pig whole on u tube easily just in gulfed it
A baby pig?? You're kidding!
@@Fish-Story no it was like a new born pig there were 2 massive ones in this tiled tank I promise its true it just inhaled it whole they were huge was 2 of them in Asia somewhere it looked like
@@Fish-Story it was like a pig that literally proberbly died as it was born the eyes wrre shut still it was crazy Vic
I believed you. I was hoping you'd fetch a link.
What if you put live shiners or some type of live baitfish that can live in their til he is ready to munch.
Or maybe that would accelerate its predatory instincts...?...
Right. We cannot do live feeder fish because of the risk of pathogen transfer, teaching predator to hunt tank mates, predators hunting could damage the liner & the glass, the pumps, the pipes, etc., and some personal ethical reasons.
Are the arapaima hungry too?
Almost always. They'd eat themselves to death.
I reckon this pond could use some slate on the bottom and a second lining on the walls to make it suitable for spiny fish?? Just an idea, not speaking from experience. Also not surprised the wells is the Koi fiend. ONly one with a mouth big enough to consider them prey.
Thank you Mark. I could only do the curtain, yes, out of another 45mil EDPM rubber liner. If I'm to move the jumbos into the 25K, that'd be the only thing I'd do - the curtain. I cannot have anything on the bottom because I don't want to mess up the ~automatic / spontaneous detritus removal from the 25K nor want detritus accumulation, nor increased cleaning. ... Wels could have swallowed them then, but he didn't. Moreover all his bites had been on the koi heads before the tail thing broke out. Hence, I wasn't suspecting him first and foremost.
@@Fish-Story Wells is hungry and defending his feeding territory then? I think the second layer of rubber liner would open up your options dramatically although I have this feeling that the Wells and the Jau might not get along?? Sure is going to be a fascinating journey.
I doubt the territory defense, I think hunger. The head biting had been rare and I was speaking about a period lasting over a few prior years. ... The jumbos could still puncture the bottom, it is not flat, and there are huge folds of up to a 1 foot wide and 20-50 feet long. Then there are jumbos that are wall bashers - arapaima, paroon, piraiba. These guys could break the relatively thin, 3/4inch acrylic window.
how big do wels get in captivity ?
No one knows, I believe. Who kept a wels in captivity 50 years, 100, 150, 200 years? No one I know of anyway. Plus a 100-acre natural pond/lake and an artificial 25K gal puny tank are very different captivities.
I've never had either. I don't have the ability to provide for a fish that large, but as a fish nerd who consumes as much data as I can stomach? I think a Mr. wells might be harder to deal with then a 6+ foot arapaima in some respects. Forgive me If I'm being Captain obvious. Like I said. I've never had the privilege to have either of them personally.
Thank you. No, it is not obvious :) far from obvious. Both fish present chellenges but different ones - pima jump and hog feed, wels is moody and finicky and can be bitey.
haha, guess that trait runs in the family genes.
Are you referring to wels preying on carp in the wild?
warm weather higher metabolism hungrier
The wels doesn't like warmer water or the warming up of the water based on prior years experience. That was another argument that threw me off its track initially.
I was actually going to include the May 15 video where you first found out about the attacks on the koi tails and suspected most likely the arapaima in that Fish Story introductory presentation for my friends. It will still be included because the point conveyed by it still stands (if I can get permission from my friends they will be in one of my future videos to give their thoughts on the presentation), but I guess I better make sure to let them know you found out who was behind this and that it probably wasn't the arapaima.
Some questions:
1) At 33 seconds it sounds like you mention piraiba. Was Fun-Size Kuma moved in here?
I assume either that must have been a misspeaking on your part, or I heard that wrong, because I can't see Fun-Size Kuma anywhere and you mentioned in an earlier comment you would certainly video its transfer over here, which is a video you have yet to release and therefore suggests that it hasn't been moved yet. But I would like to be sure.
2) Continuing more in the vein of the general topic of moving Fun-Size Kuma in here, would you say this has any effect on your plan to move the koi out and move the jumbos in? The impression I got from the May 15 initial video was that the reason you were doing so was because the arapaima were suspects, but if it is the wels and if it is controllable like you show, would there still be any need to make the switch?
3) You mentioned Mr. Moody Spoiled European Wels hasn't been growing for a while. I don't know much about wels catfish in general, but what would you say the likelihood of him being a farm runt like a lot of other catfish is? In the video for his story, you mentioned he came from a farm, and with your mention that he hasn't been growing, this immediately came to mind.
Thank you for refreshing my memory about the May 15, it is helpful.
1) Yes, I misspoke, I meant obviously arapaima because this word is missing from the list of the names. Sorry about that. Not enough CPUs.
2) I’m on the fence about the jumbo move to 25K. As exciting as it would be, it is also too risky. The koi must leave the 25K for sure sooner or later. It doesn’t matter be it because of the wels or pima or beluga - these three reign over the exhibit for now. Wels regularly presents problems with its finicky nature and moodiness, who knows what other problems with koi we might run it next.
3) On Mr. Wels being a runt - I’d doubt it because wels are not farmed for food, they are too cannibalistic for that purpose, but probably for stocking water bodies and a little for Public Aquaria maybe. In fact, IDK why else exactly they would be farmed. So there is no need for culling based on growth rate for these purposes I imagine, but I can be wrong. He quickly reached 5 feet and slowed down 10x after. Perhaps this is normal for them to reach a size to avoid being on manue and then slow down. Plus this is captivity and plus his moodiness plus unnaturally warm climate…
You're welcome for the reminder, happy to be of help.😊
1) It's ok, everybody makes mistakes.
2) I was so looking forward to the excitement and entertainment of the jumbos being in there, it would be a real shame if it ends up not happening:( But I'd trust your judgement over mine, and if the jumbos don't go in at least the fish that remain will have extra space with the removal of the koi.
3) Lol, I should have thought about the water body stocking thing. All those invasive pigeon eaters that keep popping up as tourist-intended catches have to be coming from somewhere.😂
As for the warm climate thing, it will be well worth keeping up your reporting on Mr. Moody Spoiled European Wels. We can get an idea of what can happen to European wels catfish raised and kept in a tropical climate all their lives.
I could only do the curtain out of another 45mil EDPM rubber liner to protect the walls. If I'm to move the jumbos into the 25K, that'd be the only thing I'd do - the curtain. I cannot have anything on the bottom, can't protect it, because I don't want to mess up the ~automatic / spontaneous detritus removal from the 25K nor want detritus accumulation, nor increased cleaning.
So what you're saying is that bottom rubber liner can't be shielded from catfish spines?
Now that you mention it, I'm on the fence about that too, much as I was looking forward to the jumbos going in there.
I would wish you good fortune in finding a clear cut solution but there might not be one:(
@@KuhliLoachTrainer The bottom is not entirely flat, there is a 50 ft x 2ft part of the bottom that runs about 1.5ft up to the window. Plus there are huge folds up to 1ft wide by 20-50ft long. It is most likely that catfish and big perch spines might pierce the liner on the walls. IDK how likely or unlikely it is for them to puncture the bottom. Plus some monster fish are wall bashers - pima, paroon, piraiba. They hit walls sometimes real hard and may break the 3/4inch acrylic window.
Is that a European wells?
Yes. AFAIK, wels without an adjective always means european by defalult. We don't call other species of the Silurus genus just "wels". Of course, it is a common name, so not a subject to a scientific rigor.