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The vast majority of Uma's subscribers enjoy watching what has been actually achieved with such a modest craft. You are entitled to your snarky distain, of course.
I love their channel. They got the boat for almost nothing. They have built the boat into something else. They are architectural graduates. They are better at what they do than any other channel I watch.😊
They're architects I believe. Calling their boat a Pearson is wrong. I know that's what it started out as, but they've gutted it, and substantially modified it. The only reason they're refitting it, is because that's what they're audience (the people who pay them) want. They have enough of a subscriber base that they can afford to do what someone who doesn't have a profitable subscriber base or a trust fund, could or should do. But it fits the fantasy. The fantasy that anyone can buy a cheap boat and sail the world and have adventure with sweat equity and a shoestring budget. Which is the core fantasy a lot of these successful sailing channels are selling. With that said, I really like their channel. I like the experimentation they do that could only be done if you're paid to do it.
Awesome
Yea I agree. I have watched their channel off and on since their early days. They should have 100% bought a new boat, but they will get a year or more of content out of their refit. Your also right about it being part of the fantasy, they are a very successful sailing channel - they probably have a 100k wrapped up in batteries, electric motors and other electronics. Those sail drives are HUGE money, and most of it was donated. For most people its much more reasonable to buy a functioning boat than to refit one to this extent. Its all about content, and I'm a fan of any good build channel.
😂😂😂😂😂
While i love their videos and seen all of them I was disappointed they kept Uma. It's just not realistic, it makes a lot more sense to refit another boat one that is a decent base and would actually make a decent bluewater yacht. No matter how much you reinforce the hull or how much better the interior gets it's still a Pearson. They can make the best of the interior space they've got, they're good at that because they've studied architecture but It will never be a good sailboat they're not naval architects and they won't change the hull shape or sailing characteristics.
There was another vid about sailing YT finances. It was estimated that Uma racks in a substantially larger budget than I am. No envy. Let's be honest: have neither the charm nor the balls to do what they do. But the large budget is showing and it does take some of the charm off. They're still cool people, but hmm.
Not a particular fan of their style of content so I don’t watch them. But I did/do watch their boat work videos. What they did to it was pretty fricking sick. He’s got mad skills in that department.
Yeah they did a good job cosmetically
I appreciate that you’ve gained the knowledge of sailboats from sailing all those different brands and can pass that information to potential buyers from a test drive perspective, and in your case, across greater distances and time frames than a test sail or day cruise.
Thank you thank you
Uma are genuine sailors, so many never get past the Bahamas
It's not a dig at Uma , I am simply referring to the boat, what they tend to go for, and if it would make sense today for the average consumer
@@ChasingLatitudes I didn't think you were, I was just pointing out that a lot of sailing vlogs are couples that are tethered to the US mainland or the Bahamas, and that gets tiresome.😁
How could one not be offended after what you said about their choice and their perspective? I don't even own a Person and I'm offended. But that could be be cause of your intro with Sailing Uma. You said , more than once, that you have not watched any of their videos and yet you "critic" them and what they are doing in such a negative way. I've been following them for over 5 years. They present well, are very informative, and very entertaining.
"are very informative"
You're joking , right??
From the point of view of sailing, on a budget???
Total failure of their electric conversion, "gifted" an electrovolt which they only refer to as "we acquired".
And COMPLETELY gutting their trash boat to structurally rebuild it???
It may be "entertaining", but to anyone sailing, it is ridiculous.
Glad you enjoy their show.
I will start a youtube channel and call it "Chasing Longitude". That is the only way to bring balance back to the Force.
Fair enough
I don't like Pearson boats, I spent a week on a newer one around this size in the late 90's in SF and it was by far the least comfortable I've ever been in a vehicle land/sea/or air. However, I'll give them (UMA) credit on the interior refit as it looked nice (regardless of the issues they found later), but yeah, those issues are/were insane.
To clarify, it wasn't being on a boat for an extended period that was uncomfortable, I've gone as long (and sometimes longer) on both smaller and larger boats (and in bigger seas a couple of times). For me, it was just not a pleasant boat to be on (it looked a lot like UMA's pre-refit layout/décor). Was something about the way she sat in the water and took waves that just didn't feel right at the time. Probably just that boat specifically, but it forever tainted my impression of Pearson boats.
Pearson's are garbage
I know an older boat surveyor who has been in the business for almost 40 years.
He says that older boats are built (overbuilt) better than newer boats (after the 2000’s).
Also, a 20 years old boat will need much more work than an older boat that has been already taken care of all along.
In terms of depreciation it works the same for older boats and newer boats (when kept in good shape equally) but an older boat is much cheaper to buy from the beginning. Not sure either but… I thought I’d share his input.
In any case, I love boats and I love sailing. 😁👍❤️
Just get the boat that works for you
@@ChasingLatitudes I have put a lot of thought into it , One thing about an old boat is the lack of investment . If you are in the cost of a used car and 10 years later give it away you lost no more than you would buying a second car . Buy a new boat and you will loose more in 10 years on depreciation, a boat is not an investment like a house that keeps going up in value . It is like a car worth way less 10 years later .
The other advantage of an older boat is you can often buy more boat than you could ever possibly new . There were some great designs in some older boats .
Myself I got a Canadian made copy of a southerly 105 with a nice sugar scoop added on , opening windshield and solar arch for the cost of a used second car . Real teak , proven design ,things like a stack pack Bimini dodger , folding prop , nice layout , all without being in so deep I can't walk away in 10 years and be just fine .
Now where a new boat shines is in some of the new layouts and cockpits . They can be very nice . The flip side is the interiors are also cheaply made and lots of laminates . Will it last ?
@faircompetition1203 I can assure you that if you buy a 20 plus year old vessel it will cost you far more than a ten year old vessel in the long run
Been watching UMA from the beginning. Might be watching it in another 9 years. You are right about the boat, but they were young and ignorant of sailing. They have made it work.
@@brianstevens7241 they have dome a great job
I didn't like UMA initially and didn't start watching again until around a year ago, but they have grown up a little, changed consciously too. I really like that they have included their own development, their relevant struggles. Now, with the rebuilding of UMA, they are demonstrating many great qualities, both in the boat project skills but also as people.
Although UMA is an old boat, with a complete renewal she has many benefits over a modern production boat such as a Beneteau. The traditional more robust keel on UMA, the skeg hung rudder are far better than the bolted on narrow fin keels on a Beneteau. Too many bolted on keels have fallen off (Cheeki Rafiki), and rudders snapped (Megawat). When one of these narrow fin keels has a grounding the huge forces are focused in a small area casuing damage to the hull and the internal keel frame. Look at the repair work done by Expedition Evans.
It's nice that you tuned back into them and enjoy their content
I seems to me that a lot of folks look to buy the cheapest thing they could find. But they never consider the additional costs to get the thing squared away and ready to sail. After all is said and done Sailng Uma could have went out a bought a brand new full keel Island Packet and sailed in supreme comfort, safety and style. I’m sure they have the money now so why not do it right after ten years???
I think they blew the budget on that land cruiser
Well, that depends on your definition of "right". They are doing it right. For them. I would not advice this approach for anyone else though.
holy shite you're really pumping out the content the last couple days, always interesting, thumbs up
Thanks my man
Can you add a multiple choice poll? 1.Trash can 2. Dumpster fire 3. Fire wood
@@SomethingToday30 good idea
@@ChasingLatitudes algo is gonna short circuit soon!
Someone here said they are Architects. lol. They (Sailing Uma) graduated from an Architectural accredited school. However, after that you need 3 years minimum working under a licensed Architect to then qualify for the ARE ( Architecture Registration Exams) if you pass all 6 exams, then , and only then, you can call yourself an Architect. It takes a minimum of 8 years to become an Architect (in 5 years of college)if you do all that is needed. They never really worked under anyone in Architecture after graduating as far as my understanding goes. They don’t really know anything related to this practice beyond drafting and the tools of the trade like CAD or other 3D BIM software. Just like medicine, it is a practice. If you don’t practice this discipline, then nope.
Good to know
Do u get like a cool AR before your nane or is that only with Dr.
I love this yt sailing breakdown type of content
Thank you hope it helps
8:12 LMNT (prounounced "element") is basically salt (sodium chloride) with some flavors to make it more palatble. The benefit of LMNT is you can add some fresh water to LMNT to make... salt water! Yes, LMNT is simply salt water minus the water. LMNT is heavily advertised in long-distancing hiking videos on TH-cam; LMNT makes sense for land trekkers who need to replace lost electrolytes. However, LMNT is simply a waste of money for salt-water sailors, who can simply down a couple of ounces of sea water... for free (as in "libre" aka "no cost"). This technique of drinking sea water (in moderation of course) to replace electolytes is mentioned in the book "Orca" by John and Kara Pennington.
I don't watch Uma but I can tell you that LMNT Is an electrolyte powder that you mix into a delicious rehydration beverage. Make sure that you mix it with at least a liter of water otherwise it tastes super salty.
Interesting
These folks yanked the bulkheads and blamed Pearson (and Bill Shaw the designer) when the hull began to flex. The fact the boat crossed the Atlantic without bulkheads is a testament to its build quality. Don’t try this with a Benetau or Hunter LoL.
Testing fate is never a wise choice
architects usually do this in buildings and houses too, then it's the engineer's fault haha
I'd like to see you do "Bret and Marisa". They are young and broke but pulled together to make their dream come true. I find them inspiring. You might not love their boat but I give them credit because they are full time sailing and I'm not.
I've never seen the channel, I will have to check it out
Please please please Addicus 2 Just put out a listing on TH-cam for sale. You've got to do a video. They want $275000 for a very old boat.
@@63bigmac63 will do
I laughed out loud so hard when I saw the listing price from their video. They are out of their minds asking for $275k…old, compromises everywhere. @ChasingLatitudes - you’ll have a field day with that video for Atticus 2.
To much work on a old boat.
However, their travel content is excellent.
Yeah that's a lot for that particular vessel
I've never owned a boat and never will, but I enjoy your videos. I am fascinated by all the boats shown in the drone shot at the very beginning of this video. At 10 seconds the boat in the bottom right of the screen has so much deck space and open space and the saloon is the full beam of the boat as well. I have so many questions. Are there working boats? Where is this? They look too packed to fit a port-a-lift, so how did they get in there? Please make a video about the boats in this shot. They are so different from what is seen in typical TH-cam sailing videos. Your channel and Tally-Ho are my favorite.
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can NOT WAIT for this
Lol
Finally caught one live.
Welcome
not a refit it a rebuild!
Fair
Love the work on their boat from fixing the keel to upto date
I was saving this one for a chuckle when I was bored. Dumpster, not a diamond indeed, I was not disappointed 😂
I do like the design and look of the refits they have done. Particularly the electric motor and solar plan for a wind and solar powered sail boat. But I agree that the age and potential issues with the fiberglass hull make it too risky.
Yeah not to mention the cost for you or I to do the electric conversion
I've watched them since they started, and I think they're the best of the clickbait sailing channels. One thing that has always left me disheartened is that they had originally said that they planned to travel and help poorer places with their architectural skills, but I only saw them do that once, a very, very long time ago. But I do have immense respect for Sailing Uma. The ingenuity of Dan is to be admired, and Kika is a fountain of youth. Still, I much prefer the more practical sailing channels like Dylan Winter's "Keep Turning Left"; I just miss his heyday before TH-cam cheated him (other mobs will know what I mean)--and, of course, my favorite architect/sailor Roger Barnes.
Sounds about right
New boats are very often built like crap , Look at the problems they are having with Lagoons and Leopards . Most new equipment is also not built to last at all . New boats are not built with the idea that you will need to fix them - just like new cars . You literally can not get to many areas and the interior can not be dismantled without a Sawzall They are moving to a 10 years old and its junk platform. Manufacturer's do not want your boat lasting 50 years , it is bad for business .
Unless you spend mega bucks to get a well built boat an old one can be BIG bang for the buck . First thing you have to do with a new boat is usually fit it out . Old boat that is well maintained has all that done already . An old boat is also a proven boat where you know where all the problem spots will be and what the right fix is .
If you buy a newer boat say 10 years old you still get lots to fix . You just need all new canvas, new sails , new charging system , to add solar, new electronics , new batteries , new autohelm and the transmission a freind who bout a 10 year old boat had problems . It might be a nice layout but get one of those French production boats where no thought was given to being able to maintain it and it was owned by a not handy person that never did anything sold it as soon as it started to fall apart and you could be no better off than an old boat . Everything aged out at the same time and all the new stuff like light fixtures only last about 10 years at best .
Some of the reasons I get , the new boats have a swim platform and a walk through transom , aft cabin too . Those features are worth it , but do not make the mistake of thinking you are buying you way out of maintenance by buying a newer boat - it all ages out at the same time about 10 years in . Newer than that is big bucks and often not yet set up with solar arches, extra sails , inverters , water makers and Biminis
@faircompetition1203 thank you for watching and taking the time to comment such a well thought out response
Sailing Voyager (The Ocean Cruisers). Seem to have their fingers in a few pies.
There used to be a YT channel called The Midshipmen featuring Adam from Sailing Millennial Falcon along with Andy from Sailing Voyager but they stopped posting and all the videos have been removed since.
Interesting
They are choosing the romantic perspective of the boat they started with.
Unfortunately there is nothing financially sustainable about that choice. God Bless them for following their heart.
If you watch their refit vids , they have over 50k in tools alone. They could get a HR, Swan or Amel for what they are spending.
Wild stuff
Wow! That was fast!
Thanks!
No problem!
T.can for sure. Watch their videos occasionally to follow progress. They make it look like it's easy using an iPad lol. They are doing fiberglass out in the open in a hot place when normally boats are built in temperature controlled environment. Sounds a bit amateurish to me and good for clicks. Once finished, wonder how they will get insurance cover as clearly they aren't boat builders. Not sure I'd want to sail on such a boat knowing all of the above.
Yeah, to me it seems like a total wast on that boat
I wouldn't buy a Pearson 36 ever. But for 50k I'd take a Pearson 424 over a Beneteau 36 any day of the week. I used to have an Oceanis 500. Loved it for cruising with my family because it was big and roomy. Great boat at anchor. But it was a dog to windward, slapped like anything, enormously uncomfortable to actually sail in any kind of heavy sea, and to be honest I was always a little worried that the damned keel would fall off. New boats are good in some ways. They're not good in all ways. And I wouldn't buy any Hunter (outside maybe a Cherubini) for anything more than a kid's playhouse buried up to the waterline in the backyard.
Another great video! If I ever buy a boat it will be a Beneteau 41 or the like.
awesome
Hi Chris, I'd like you to review "sailing nahoa" lagoon cat and their plans for their upcoming custom aluminum 55' cat i think...
I'll check it out!
@@ChasingLatitudes thank you!!
I love Nahoa, they're fantastic!
'ssiling uma' turned from a sailing channel to 'sunken cost fallacy as a channel'
100% they have never been a sailing channel in my opinion, they have sailed 29k nm is ten years, thats less than 3 k nm a year
@Chasing Lattitudes Another great video. I like how your videos focus on the reality of sailing and not the hopium so many are selling. Unfortunately, people get emotionally attached to content creators and get their "panties in a wad" when the channel review is anything less than glowing. We all have preferences and opinions and this is a great venue for sharing those peference and opinions. With that said, Sailing Uma's first refit was interesting and their videography was top-notch. As such, I enjoyed watching them 2018-2022 but their teenage "schtick" grew old so they are off my watch list. I didn't realize until this video that they had removed their bulkhead. Foolish move when crossing oceans. Their boat is definitely a tin can. In addition, a boat is just a hole in the water you throw money into. 😆
Glad you like them! They did get good at the cinematography
Chris, your channel is fantastic, after I discovered it, I can't watch any other.
I really like your acidic sincerity, but I see that I don't have the money to buy any boat you like or recommend haha.
Awe thanks so much for watching, glad you enjoy the channel, thank you for commenting
i like how they have stayed faithful to their boat , they could have bought a better boat , they did splash out on a lovely landrover car
That's 120k car,
Haha can’t wait!
My only issue with Sailing Uma is the false picture they paint, battle born batteries and their electric engine and making it look practical. The electrobeke was nice, but when they got their first Ocean Volt as a gift, is when I was like WTF how many sailors are going to have someone give them a 10k engine. Instead of finding a new boat project of which they could move up, which when a project Outremer 50/55 sold I thought they bought it only to find out they were refitting UMA. Truth be told they have become the new Pardey sailors, a brand, delivering a dream while skirting the reality. TH-cam Sailingl Boat review suggestions: Sailing Thomas, Lauren Launders, and Sailing Artha, and Erik Aanderaa. $50k budget? Probably a 90's Beneteau why?
100%
Erik Aanderau is the real deal. I love his moniker: NBJS. No Bull shite Just Sailing. His channel is true to that moniker and he is a great storyteller as well.
@@WTHenry2023 He's looking at the boats, given all that Eric's boats been through and the fact he sails the North Sea. Sounds like a fun single handler boat, it's why I mentioned Sailing Artha as that's a BCC 28, which is a more well know Lyle Hess design.
damn fam you goin HAM
Ah, I went easy on them, just picked on the boat
@@ChasingLatitudes no I mean in droppin new videos
@@phaioncirrus3818 haha, got it , thanks
But I love Japanese knives.
I do as well
@@ChasingLatitudes so get your grift on! Everyone else has
@@slateization lol
Good video. Hope you find a diamond.
I hope so too
T-Can for sure! 😂
Agree
We need to talk.
I guess the first step is a 1 hr consult?
"Landfill"...🤣
I just can't seem to get back into watching Uma anymore. I'm sure they're nice people, but this rebuilding of a boat they've already rebuilt... for the love of god. I have a 34' Catalina I could sell them that'd give them more of an aft cabin than the fart hole they're putting in for guests now.
Yeah, that's kind of the gimmick though, people love that refit silliness
They are putting lipstick on a pig. The boat is bad with a Keel that was wobbling and repaired poorly and they made many errors and when people tried to point it out they blocked comments - any comments that tried to help them or criticized them. And you could see delfections in the hull while sailing. They also did many obvious stupid things like removing their holding tank and flushing waste directly into the water wherever they were. And removing their lifelines saying who needs them. They were essentially ignorant and had too much attitude thinking they knew it all. And it all started with buying the wrong engine for their boat and many subsequent errors. They make many errors and try to brush it off or quietly make changes hoping no one notices.
This all comes out due to having gone to an architecture school that is at the bottom of the ranking and it shows. They keep sailing cause they could not get jobs in the industry.
So being the genius that you are can you tell us what you’re sailing , your education, how far you’ve sailed and your experience at rebuilding a 36’ or greater. I suspect you’ve done none of those things and are critical of those who do it on a shoe string and win are heads above narcissistic,critical fools that you project. Take a lesson in marketing, shipwrights, design, etc.
Who me ?
Retired achitect prof here. Worked for the best firms around the world. Sailing since 12.
You're absolutely correct, their arrogance is what's making them continue on that boat longer than they should. 8 year refit and then 2 years selling and then now more years rebuilding the same boat is just stupendous. As an engineering student we used to laugh at architect students fairly because of this stereotype an they live up to it well. Dress up things make them look pretty but don't consider anything else especially the main thing which is the structure of the boat. As for an all electric displacement boat weighing almost 7.5tonne is laughable for cruising on.
Someone send me a video of them running a tiny generator in Iceland and I laughed so hard, because the noise must have been unbearable and for how long. Fair winds to them, it's all for content money anyways until that big sponsor comes along and gifts them a good boat.
I agree with much of what you say. Architects think they are gods and they can do no wrong. It is inbred into a psyche that is reinforced via movies showing them as elitist. And is amplified by schools that normally require very rigorous qualifications to enter the profession all but nullified in countries liek the US where any breathing paying idiot can find a very bad for profit school to enter. And the schools differ greatly based on their orientation such as more art, more engineering, etc.
And yes engineering is much more grounded in reality and I thank my school forcing me to take engineering classes. And also have the most rigorous qualifications for graduating.
They are at best interior decorators masquerading as architects. They are shameful for letting people think they are not architefts. Can not even compete against interior designers or industrial designers.
What?? 3 in one day? Someone has free time 😅
Ha, no videos tomorrow as I'm busy so put a bunch out today is all
Hi! I don't want to insult you as a person, but the style of your comments hurts my ears. - just my very personnel opinion. I'm sure you can take it -sorry! Keep on going, though. - Most people obviously like it. Best wishes and all-time fair winds!
No worries don't watch problem solved
You didn't mention the electric. That's a bottomless pit and it's heavy. Imagine a mishaps or a storm, and salt water is sloshing all through those battery banks? They are promoting electric for the rest of us. I have a brand new air cooled four cycle outboard, and it's daily output is comparable. It costs $275 from gomaxind and it weighs 23 LBS. When I pull the cord, it always starts. Why would I ever want an electric system that costs more than a car and runs out of electric in a few hours? My motor can also run a dinghy, loan out to a needy boat, or serve as a bow thruster just by coming up with a bracket.
@stanleybest8833 oh trust me, I am so anti electric sailboat it's wild, it makes zero sense when you look at cost vs value, the tech is not there yet for electric
We get it. You don’t know anything about their channel or their sailing philosophy. Your jealousy of their success is completely understandable.
@toddr2265 you do realize I get more views than them right ? You also realize I said nothing but good things about them in this video right ? The video is about the boat, not their channel, go watch what you enjoy but if you think I'm jealous of those two you are sorely mistaken
@@ChasingLatitudes "you do realize I get more views than them right?" Actually, no, you don't.
Sailing Uma has 427K subscribers, 585 uploads and 104,116,800 total views for an average 177,977 views per video. Their channel started in 2015.
You have 48,500 subscribers, 964 uploads and 9,122,819 total views for an average of 9,464 views per video. Your channel started in 2014.
Bottom line, they are doing substantially better than you are as a TH-cam channel.
I think the reason for their success comes from their content being about their travels and their boat. Their boat is as much a part of their channel as they are. They also teach about boats in general and boat repairs.
On the other hand, you come off as a boat salesman trying to talk someone into buying one of your boats.
Ha, ha; entertaining video.
Hope so
@ChasingLatitudes : so you sailed more than 28'000 miles in one year and have yet time to edit ? for whom are your lies ? the truth Dear Chris, some recognize the structural problems of their boat and are working on them, but you, it's perhaps on the structural scorn of your content that you should work...
People like you are funny, you just instantly go on the attack because someone says the boat they have is garbage, it is garbage, as far as my miles sailed this year, it's filmed and edited on my channel 😂 just go look, im a delivery captian silly, i sail for a living ya goof.no one is picking on your imaginary friends Uma, I'm talking about the boat, if it would make sense for the average consumer to buy a pearson, no it would not male sense
The video clearly shows the Sailing Uma page that says they've sailed 28,000 miles total. You should really pay closer attention to what you're watching before making rude remarks.
Atticus II for sale video incoming 😂
Yes, I need someone to email me the listing
@@ChasingLatitudes what’s your email ? I’ll send it to you
@@ChasingLatitudes what is your email address? I’ll send it to you , they’re asking $275k
Really, they bought the trash can did a refit, have done more sailing than you ever will and managed to do it for 10 years. If you knew what they know you’d be drooling because they work at having ‘their’ fun and they know how to market themselves while you just trash people and what they have.
I've sailed more just this year than they have in ten, didn't trash them I trashed the boat, facts are hard for people like you to deal with
I stopped watching them a few years ago but up to that point the only long passage they had made was crossing the Atlantic. If they want to show their sailing "chops", they need to circumnavigate the world like Delos, Florence, Old Seadog, Sailing Nahoa etc