CDJR dealer tech here. The corrosion issue is so minor in the grand scheme of things. About 80% of my workload these days are brand new under 2 year old vehicles with less than 15k miles. So many issues, especially with the 4XEs. A lot of it is software but when you get 6 grand Cherokees a week complaining about radio software issues what are we supposed to do? "Sorry, it's buggy. There will be an update to fix it eventually!". It's just complete nonsense how poor our quality control has gotten. The decisions they're making model wise is frankly insane. They're just sticking their head in the sand and pretending everything is fine. We're going to make multiple full EVs when our hybrids are the most unreliable in the industry? Don't even get me started about replacing the simple hemi with an overly complex twin turbo. That shit is going to be a nightmare in a few years.
@@DIRTROADCREDwe had a 2022 jeep compass trailhawk for 6 months, the volume on the head unit would go out after a out 10 minutes. They finally updated the software after about a month, it worked finally but there was no sound until like 15 on the volume knob lol. The little bity engine couldn't hardly do anything. We traded it in for my wife sport s wrangler in Tuscadero we love it.
I can honestly say that my GF and I both own Jeep Wranglers. Hers is a 2020 Rubicon Recon addition with the mild hybrid 2.0 turbo. Mine 2021 Willy's JLU which I ordered specifically. I will say I haven't had any major issue with my Jeep and the GF's has been a very solid as well. I will say that I definitely like the Mild Hybrid engine setup way better. I will add mine has been heavily upgraded and yes will out perform her jeep by a mile.
I wouldn't expect corrosion to be a major issue for dealers. In many cases-mine included-corrosion tends to become noticeable right around the time the warranty expires. At that point, most people likely turn to independent body shops rather than going back to the dealer. The powertrain issues are a concern. My wife and I have discussed what to do with our 150K '15 Rubicon. We're seriously considering a major rework for $40K in a couple years. I'd like new, I'd like the (idea of) twin turbo I6. But, would I trust it at 60,000 miles climbing steep grades around Burgess Junction, Wyoming, off in the middle of nowhere, like I have the 3.6L?
Just a tip for you. Apparently there is a OTA update for the WL and WS, but we have to contact star EVERYTIME for them to push the update, just to send the vehicle out to update with the customer (oh and make sure ibs is over 80%🙃). I about went off on the rep that called us and said this is what we have to so for this. Also, the update says nothing about freezing and crashing, so I expect 0% of the vehicles to be “fixed” by their poorly binned processors and absolutely horrid software
The head of the Board and huge share holder Elkins seems enamored with Carlos Tavares. And that infatuation is costing him a huge chunk of change with the company going down the toilet. He would have saved money getting a high priced call girl.
@@Spanked78 Stellantis isn’t going anyway. But the CEO is. Shares went from $30 to $12 in less than a year. We did so good before this merger. If anything, they will split brands again but STL has so much cash, and the market is bad. America and Europe giving tax dollars to China is a huge part of it, not to mention the EPA rules that right now are only beneficial to China.
FURK the French frog bastards.... We need a billionaire (like Elon Musk but not Musk, he's doing his own electric trucks)) to buy JEEP. LONG live the V-8 Jeep!
STL is cash poor. They promised all 14 brands...that each was funded for 10 years of innovation and change...the are running billions of dollars cash negative. They now say brand's have only two years to become cash positive...or else.
@@ur_shulgi9133 what are you talking about? All companies are “greedy.” You should research Japanese companies if you want to see greedy giant monopolies.
I believe that the out of control pricing is the primary issue. In Canada a loaded Rubicon has been touching on $90K and the 392's are in the $120K range.
@@cynicalcb Nah you still got taken to the cleaners, there is no way in hell I'd spend 51k on a jeep. Not these new ones anyway, although I understand. Good luck, and I hope it works out for you Cynical!
Bought fully loaded 2021 2 door hydro blue rubicon on 4-3-21 before Covid crash. Loved the 3.6L V6 24 V VVTETorque and everything about it. After it was totaled by a DUI driver that rear ended me I ordered a 2024 Bikini 2 Door Rubicon X before strike. After finally getting it and now driving it for 10 months I’ve been so impressed with what the engineers have improved on this Jeep in the past 3 years in the off-road features as well as new safety features, seat warmers,and large screen display. Incorporating the front camera with lockers activating in the high 4wd mode instead of only locking in low gear is a huge improvement. Also disconnecting the sway bar is now within seconds instead of minutes makes a difference. I’m constantly off-roading on the beach so the corrosion issues scare me even though I haven’t seen it yet. I drive my Jeep on and off road and want it to be my forever vehicle.
10-15% of Jeep owners take their vehicles off road. If I was running the company, I would’ve released a base bottom Wrangler sport with 33 inch tires and tubular sidesteps. Call it the 1941 or something. Most people that buy Jeeps probably don’t even know what lockers, sway bars, etc are, but they’ll love the sporty look and low price.
I think the major problem started in 2018 with the new JL; the prices shot up exponentially from there and the corrosion issues were laid with the aluminum panels. But I bought a 2015 Sahara off the showroom floor for 36k. and then the JL came out and suddently its like 2k to add an automatic transmission; and you couldn't buy these for less than 50k. I will never forget the exponential prices that started with the JL. I finally got tired of looking at the corrosion on my 2018 and bought a bronco wildtrak. I was done. I owned a 2004 LJ; 2015 JK; 2018 Rubicon; 2022 Bronco
Good overview guys...my 2018 had the bubbling around the hinges...when I was trading it in for my 2024 Willy's, they said it reduced the value...I quickly pointed out it was a manufacturing issue, not an owner issue...good video guys...
My 2020 Gladiator was looking at its 6th trip to the body shop for corrosion. It had to have a new transmission at 40,000 kms, and the Uconnect screen was freezing up if you drove for more than an hour. It had so many issues, and the dealership I bought it from said I had to start taking it to another dealership. Thankfully, I found Orillia Dodge. They helped me out with all my Jeep issues, and treated me like I had bought 4 Jeeps there. I decided that since I still have my TJ, I was fed up with all the headaches, and I bought a Ram. Orillia Dodge made me a deal I couldn't say no to. I'll never buy a new Jeep though.
@DIRTROADCRED don't get me wrong, I'll keep my TJ and/or get another JK, but after how the first dealership treated me... but time will tell right. I should rephrase my statement to, as of now, I won't buy a new Jeep. I'll make sure I watch your channel, though, so I stay up to date.
Jeep needs to be owned by an American company. I think Jeep could drop every vehicle except the Wrangler and Gladiator and they could survive on their own.
Why? ‘Merica corporate greed is just as bad (if not worse) than any international greedy corp. Buying a vehicle so over priced is giving green lights to any corp focused on profit vs quality or people
@@ur_shulgi9133 What are you talking about? All companies are “greedy.” You should research Japanese companies if you want to see greedy giant monopolies.
As a 4 month JLUR owner I am eating up all the Jeep content I can feed on. Your channel is at the top of my list for Jeep news! I got a silver Rubi but really wanted Punk'n or Gekco but they are near impossible to find on the used market with all the options I wanted.
I have a 22 trouble free Gladiator but I don’t haul much anymore and considered trading for a 24 Wrangler to benefit from more interior space and the new curtain airbags. However the cost has risen so much in 2 years I feel priced out. I’m also worried about declining reliability when so many other people are complaining about problems.
I own a '23 Mojave. Reason I bought it is my '15 Ram Pentastar has 230K problem free miles. Our '16 Caravan pentastar has 190K miles. Only issue was a fairly cheap TIPM i replaced myself. Maintenance seems to be key. Yeah it's not as simple as my old XJ, ZJ or J10s. But it makes the kids smile. Glad I didn't pay anywhere near MSRP.
I think the other thing you are forgetting is the Bronco also released in 21. So the market also splintered. As potential customers now had new other choices.
Fullsize vs midsized track width. Overpriced pavement princess that breaks under real wheeling vs. Proven trail rig. There's a reason you only see jeeps and toyotas on real trails.
I bought my first NEW Jeep in 1997. Wrangler SE, stripped. No radio, soft-top, 2.5L "iron-duke", for $13,455. What made the Jeep such an iconic brand wasn't leather, "technology packages" and other options that made it just like everything else on the market, but that you could buy that stripped model, beat it all weekend, and still drive to work Monday morning.
I have a 20 gladiator that faded and corroded too, my wife has a 21 392 and the hydro hood is corroding similar to my hinges. and not at the hinges. Its awesome!!!!!
We have 3 Wranglers in the driveway. We bought our first in 2012 and still have it. In 2023 we went to the dealer to buy our next Wrangler, a 2door Rubicon. The price was ridiculous - $50k (basically no options). No sale. Later, I pulled up some old pricing data on the internet to compare. A 2018 JL rubicon, similarly equipped, was $38k. A 30% increase in 5 years? The prices are so out of touch with reality. It feels like they are intentionally shutting out the loyal customers.
I’ve been following you since 2019. So glad you guys circled back on these corrosion and other issues. Like you, I love my JL Rubicon even with these issues, but Jeep customers and potential buyers are voting with their feet by not buying this product. We are pissed! Thanks for not being scared to rip the band-aid off. Great ideas that you offered to turn things back to the customers, which will help the bottom line and increase sales. This was a great format to lay it out. Thx!
I love Jeeps and hope they continue to make them. With that said, I do have several issues with them and that’s why I don’t own one at the moment. Price has gone up and reliability/quality seems to be going down. There seems to be way too many low quality sensors on the newer Jeeps which are causing a lot of complaints. I’ve also had a bad experience with warranty work not getting covered. Less electronics, better quality components, and lower the price would be a good start for Jeep.
I work at a Stella dealership. I’m a life long, 3rd generation, Mopar guy, and Jeep fanatic. My wife and I both drive Jeeps. A couple things- A.) We ordered my wife’s 2.0 Xtreme Recon in early May, and it arrived in middle December. This is unacceptable to me. Order exactly what you want yes, but keep delivery to 6 weeks or less B.) Just thank you all for the video, it echos exactly what my colleagues and I talk about in service and parts near weekly. Stellantis just doesn’t understand the 7 slots
I’ve been thinking of getting my first Jeep Wrangler. Went to check out a fully loaded 2024 Sahara yesterday, MSRP is 61K, after rebates brings it down to 55.5K. Hearing these issues with Jeep makes me hesitant of wanting to purchase it but it is my dream car. I currently been driving my first car for 12 years now so it’s time for an upgrade. Plus it’ll be my birthday present to myself of owning a wrangler. Should I still go for it?
I’m planning to get back to Jeep. I bought a 1988 YJ back in the day. Gave it Mickey Thompson Mudders. I have since sold it to a friend. I promised to myself, I’ll get a Jeep when I older. I’m 59 now. I’m buying an Eco- Diesel used Gladiator and a V8 Hemi modified Gladiator. The Best of the Best!
Thank you for finally mentioning the 14 Eastern states that get fined if they order internal combustion engines. Most of the dealerships near me have 20-30+ 4XEs that have been sitting on the lot. And when they seek they get discounted 10-15k. Not to mention we are on the cusp of a recession, if not already in one.
Relax. It's over 10 years away and things can change. Gas vehicles aren't better for most people. EVs aren't going away any more than computers, tablets, smart phones, microwave ovens, EKGs, x-rays, MRI and CT scanners, ultrasound, radar, sonar, lidar, infrared, cordless tools or portable radios are going away. Tesla sold 1.8 million EVs in 2023. That's more EVs than Ford sold in trucks. It's like people arguing that rotary dial desk phones are better than smartphones. Dial desk phones never need charging. They're much cheaper. They're more durable. They don't break when dropped or sat on. They work during power outages. They last for decades. They never need updating. They don't get lost...or stolen. Don't get left behind, the future will be here tomorrow.
@@dvader3263 that’s because it’s forced. Remove the mandate, and stop those states from penalizing customers who order ICE…make it far playing field for a real comparison. Telsa sold more Cyber Trucks than Ford Lightning because people who actually want a truck bought the lightning or a gas powered F-150 were as Cyber Truck owners just want a Tesla.
This is all bittersweet to hear. Happy to hear the dealerships are struggling due to their greed but Jeep struggling in general sucks bc i don’t want this brand to go away
I own a 2023 2 door Willy's manual. And a 2024 Willy's 4 door automatic. I was not able to get a test drive for my manual, and I ordered it blind. I love both my JL models. And everything you both said was preaching to the heart of what I have been thinking. Thank you for your voice! You have more pull and sway than we do!
My big concern, why is stellantis selling vehicle testing grounds in Arizona? I mean, a European owner, to have such extreme environmental condition testing at their fingers, poof- gone. I live in the West, vehicles have to be durable, and have range, be able to handle temperature extremes from -30 below to 123 degrees. The roads are not the best. I am starting to worry a European owner is the wrong decision, they can't understand life west of the Mississippi
Legacy owner and long time fan here on my 10th Jeep. Multiple CJs, TJs, JK even some well built XJ, WK2 and now a first edition 2018 JL. Im blown away by the costs of what used to be an every man's vehicle. Mine is custom ordered as a Sahara base, but with a dana44 rear, muti-top - built up with factory Mopar 2"suspension, racks, rails etc Candidly I would (begrudgingly) pay the price for a new one , but suddenly I am not even able to order a the V6 in an auto. I don't want either the Hybrid or the turbo charged 4... so I have simply opted to keep my 7 year old Jeep. In my case, while it is a daily - I don't commute in it so it only has 40k miles. As a result, I haven't updated. Something I typically do every 4-5 years. I am brand loyal... but do wonder what is going on with Jeep, and bummed by watching the changes that I would agree began during the 2020-21 time period.
So.... I have an 07 JK 2d, Wife's got a 12 JKU SAHARA, And i literally just bought a 20 JT sport mod'd- lifted, 20's w/35's. soft top. 30kmiles for 30k$. I feel good.!!!!!
50 year old German, living now for 20 years in Australia... all my Mercs (and one BMW) have been utter garbage... I mean blowing up V6s on my CLS320, or leaking water everywhere, not too mention RUST that went through the whole body... countless hours fighting with them to own up to this crap... My (first Jeep) 22 Gladiator Rubicon is compared to that top notch quality - no squeaks, or rattles... not even offroad... rust I haven't seen yet... but then again it ain't a Merc... I'd be ok with it... after all we do a lot of beach driving here in Australia.... Cheerio! Keep it up mate... love your channel since the beginning.... damn Jeep brought me here
Thank you for talking about it. You are 100% right and this is what I have been saying to my wife. And it sad that Stellantis ruined Jeep. Need more engine options and bring back the 392 but not for $20k more.
I'm really glad you finally hit the nail on the head! I was getting tired of some fanatics saying, oh that's how Jeep always been. We forget it's a business and they need to attract first-time Jeep owners and be loyal in the future. Most folks who bash their Jeeps aren't buying new Jeeps, but pricing it this much for new consumers and they have to dealing with silly faults like rain drain, intermittent Uconnect faults, corrosion etc is a big NO NO!!! declining that is out of warranty - who do you expect to fix this, the second-hand owner; nope! - now they know too and staying off. And all the crazy fanatics can defend this while the company goes down the drain. Honestly, Jeep is a strong brand and can get stronger if they did their homework.
Let’s face it. Tavares and the board , along with global economic problems, are pretty much to blame for destroying what was left of CDJR. The disgruntled UAW workers no longer care about quality, further leading to fewer buyers. Seriously, jump the prices way up when interest rates are up? Dumb move for sales. Tavares made sure that he made big profits last year with no regard for 2024 and later sales. We own 4 2023 and 2024 Jeeps. My 4Xe Grand Cherokee has had so many recalls that it sits in the street. It’s past time for Stellantis to sell CDJR to a US buyer that understands our market.
I am a legacy follower and have enjoyed your content since dealership days but have been concerned that you guys haven’t dealt enough with the challenges that we Jeep enthusiasts are facing. Solid content here and you nailed the primary issues. Let’s hope an ownership change or other solution rights the ship shortly. Quality control (especially corrosion, forced 4xe, and option restrictions) combined with the elevated prices are a long term killer. I just bought my 2nd (Willy’s) in 4 years and love the Jeep life but not sure I will go to the well a third time without positive change. Keep up the great work!
Yes, those that got burned should be pissed. I am not one of them, however, I am still upset because of the pricing. My 2017 Recon JK fully loaded stickered for $46K, and I bought it in Jul 2017 when 2018 were about to roll so they took $6K off. That's a fully loaded Rubicon JKU Recon with steel bumpers, 1" lift, lockers, leather, etc. for $40K. That jeep (equivalent) today would be $75-80K. So in 7 years it has double in price. I may have to go buy a Landcruiser...... The last 8 vehicles I've owned were all CDJR products. But Toyota (SUV, truck) and Honda (car) may be the next ones in my garage.
Your JK isn’t comparable to a 2024+ JL Rubicon, no matter how much you dump into it. Power seats, Nappa leather, curtain air bags just to name a few. If you used the inflation calculator and put your amount in, it’s worth $66k today.
I contacted multiple dealers around me for 392 wranglers and they still not discounting them, they sitting for over 200 days on the lot, I offer $80k and they all declined. Best of luck to them for surviving. No single customer on theirs lots of
Wish I could get a bare bones model but with all the performance goodies. Ala Rubicon without the luxury items. Base model, 3.6, lockers, full float axles, casetfr case, 4:88 gears. 37s
My local Jeep dealer had 3 4xe’s on the lot for well over 200 days. The week prior to me going in they had a dealer discount of over 12k on them. I had fully planned to buy one the next week when I got back in town. I went in on that next Monday fully ready to buy it and they removed the discount and absolutely would not deal with me saying well that was last week you should have come in then. The next day I went to my local Ford dealer and bought a Bronco Badlands Sasquatch because they would work with me on price bc that vehicle had been there for a similar about of them. Won’t go back to that dealer and probably Jeep for a very long time now…..and those 4xe’s are still sitting on the lot. Makes no sense to me.
I'm on my 5th Jeep (CJ-7, TJ, TJ Rubicon, JK Sahara, and JL Sahara) and would normally consider swapping out my ride around the 5-year mark… BUT…, for me, they simply aren't worth what Jeep/dealers are currently asking. Service hasn't been any better. Oil changes usually cost me a little over $80 (and were up until April 2024); my last one (in September 2024) was $130. WTF? If my current Jeep isn't my last car (I'm in my 60s), my next vehicle will likely be something else. So sick of the dealer model in generall; paying extra for, basically, nothing.
Exactly! They shouldn’t sell it before fix the situation. One of the parking says “ don’t park 4xe any model. They will towing. How ridiculous wrangler 4xe is very expensive car. Do something!!!
The salesman I spoke to just TODAY regarding a 4xe said it hasn't "moved to the stop-sale stage yet" so they would gladly sell me one today. They need to throw another $10K on the hood before I consider it though. We'll see how motivated Stellantis, and their greedy dealer network, actually is to sell out of this excessive inventory prior to year end. I'll be waiting and watching....
@@jeffdetrick wow.. it seems that they really don’t care about customers. I guess they also want to get rid of it 🤣 imagine all the 4xe blow up in dealership. However they offer 0% +14k~16k discount. But still so expensive + I want to parking my vehicle indoors! Especially shopping centers! Haha
I’ve wanted a Wrangler my entire life. I had a ‘00 Cherokee that I loved but wasn’t a Wrangler. The 10th of this month I ordered my first Wrangler Rubicon with the AEV JL350 package 2.5” DualSport suspension in Fathom Blue and I’m friggin stoked!! Got a great deal from Dan Cummins but that’s another topic. The Jeep community will always be strong because we are passionate! I love the ideas of the colors as a 2k option because that’s what I was waiting for. I wanted deep dark blue. I do think too many option are problematic for any company and not cost effective so I understand some of those decisions. After all the Jeep community is big on after market customization. Maybe they get back to the basics like Sport, Willys, Sahara, and Rubicon. Then let the Off-road shops, forums, and TH-camrs show the community how to pimp their rides! An affordable Jeep in a standard trim that allows everyone to build what they want I think would help. I think you are on to something when you talk about boutique style as well. Jeep offers the trims and dealers can put together aftermarket packages . Keep corporate at the headquarters and let the dealers tackle the custom portion. My two cents. Well anyway, I’ll let you know how long my build takes. I’m not expecting it for quite a while. Thanks for what you guys do!
Whats the delivery time? I just was told that 2025's are not shipping due to parts and problems. Only a few have made it out into the wild. Plus the line is on a first shift only working one on, two weeks off.
@@TolcomOhio they said 6-12 weeks but with the current situation of 23/24 inventory, plus having to go to AEV after the factory, and I picked a late run color, I’ll be excited if I get it by April or May. Time will tell..
I have a 22 gladiator Rubicon. It has an on going issue with the front passenger brake grabbing and then releasing slowly. Dealer says there's nothing wrong with it. Went past the Dealer on Friday, nothing but blue tow hooks on the lot. But no discounts, at least on the window stickers
Great channel - thanks for the content you put out I’m on my 5th wrangler - 1 TJ - 2JKs - 2JLs The 2 JLs were purchased 18months apart 23-JLRubicon purchased March of 23 msrp 58k purchased for 60k OTD 24 JL Rubicon purchased October of 24 msrp 78k purchased for 60k OTD These numbers against that period of time should speak to their desire to move units I was going to buy one in 2020 but couldn’t get my mind around 75k (which included an 8k dealer lift wheels and tires package) for a wrangler with 500 bucks off msrp Jeep added way too many engine options and trims - time to slim down get back to basics - but I get why these things happen and sometimes brands do need to try to do more but sometimes it can happen faster than they can assess and find what works well - I believe that to be the case here I agree with much of what you all are saying about reclassifying the segments of wranglers into 2 buckets and bringing more colors in - at least charging for them would be smart rather than making people wait - there are people out there with money willing to pay for the color they want - And yes please just keep pressing on ventilated seats - I came close to buying a bronco just for that reason but I’m still here Jeep - put some ventilated seats on the next model
Jeep is disappointing, they have a timeless platform that offers so much potential to consumers but they keep fumbling the bag by targeting exclusively luxury vehicle market. I admit a majority of jeep wranglers will never see a dirt road more than once a year, I cant fathom not expanding into entry level markets with lower tier trims. Jeeps are pretty cheap to build, simple machines with cheap parts and endless configurations. I do not foresee jeep being able to write the course whilst maintaining the current projections for Full EV that stellantis is pushing for. Also i want that damned fold down brush guard
Appreciate that you offered some solutions as well in this video. It's far easier these days to list off all the complaints but you added some suggestions to help the situation. Keep up the great job fella's.
Stellantis is on the door for bankruptcy. They might shut doors tomorrow. There goes your warranty, any parts made, or any support. Stellantis is a forgiven company no u.s. buyout. Pray that jeep gets sold before this happens.
This isn't true, they're still printing money. They're just printing *less*. They're still making billions in profit each quarter, and last I heard they had ~52b in liquid cash laying around for investments.
Stellantis doesn't manufacture all of the parts for Jeep. Suppliers and aftermarket companies will continue to make parts. You don't need the dealer. Other mechanics can repair the vehicle.
Just bought a 2024 gladiator rubicon x manual high velocity. Never had a jeep before, always subaru. The buying process is so different. With subaru, I tell them what I want, and they try to find it at some other dealership, or order it. And the price is the price. None of my local jeep dealerships had what I was looking for, honestly most of them didn't even know what I was talking about. None of them could really get it. None of them would even negotiate on price. Finally bought one from 1000+ miles away for 25% off MSRP, and had it shipped. That is NOT the way to get/keep customers.
I purchased a Gadiator 2023 Diesel Willys. Cost about 55,000 with long term warranty. I thought it not a bad deal for the price. I also think the Gladiator is a very nice fit for a sububan style pickup / utility vehicle. Most home owners just need a truck to haul things out and in and the Gladiator can definately do that. I get 26 mpg and am very happy.
I’m not an engineer, but a fix for the corrosion issue may be: 1) put a rubber plate between the body and the hinge, which may be quicker and easier than repainting and hoping the paint matches. These could be done at Jeep events and rallies to begin with, then spread to dealerships. Quick fix at low cost. 2) start painting them correctly at the factory during new Jeep builds.
Great discussion. I really hope Jeep pulls through with some of the loyalists requests... but I'm one of the ones thinking the bean counters killed a great thing. Thank you those on the line building our beloved Jeeps. Your service is appreciated.
They also need to get back to SEMA. They used to have the second or third largest booth at SEMA. Now they are gone. I'm assuming it costs a lot to have a large booth at SEMA, but at least have a presence. So much of SEMA is off-road, overlanding and customizing parts and companies. They should be there.
JP 2024 I don't think my purchase of a Rubicon X a few weeks ago will keep Jeep in business but although Jeep took a lot of options away and forced me into the X I just couldn't find another brand that peaked my interest. I've owned a Wrangler since 2011 and thoroughly enjoyed it. By the way, the reason I jumped on the X is because the dealer dropped the price $6600 plus a got a Jeep loyalty discount of $600. So, needless to say the out the door price was well below $70,000 which was the MSRP.
I love this video, thanks Matt and Ryan! I've been driving Jeeps professionally for the past few years to help bring the brand to life at auto shows and off-road events. In all that time, I have felt ZERO love from corporate, and ZERO offers of any kind of purchase discount, even though I wheeled with Jim Morrison (now retired) on more than one occasion. As I’m sure many others have, I felt like their #1 fan for YEARS, and yet… they simply don’t care. So couple that with the increased quality issues, yeah, I got increasingly angry at the corporate disregard for an extremely loyal customer base. They had their chance and they blew it. And several insiders saw the writing on the wall as soon as Stellantis took over- increased cost cutting and quality issues. Thanks again for your insights- you guys nailed it.
I just bought back in August of this year, a new 2024 Jeep Rubicon w/a 6 speed manual, 3.6L V6, for over $51K, after a $8K price cut. It's fully loaded, including having all Leather Seats. After 1500 miles, the damn transmission started going. 😡 After a month and a half at the dealer, they finally got a replacement transmission. They're in the process of installing it right now, together w/a brand new clutch assy. I told them that I want to inspect the installation up on the lift before they hand me the keys. Very seldom does a manual transmission ever fail, especially a brand new one no less.
I am not a first time jeep owner. I owned three Cherokees back in the 90’s. But i am a first time wrangler owner. I bought a 2018 sport S 2-door last November. I had been looking for quite awhile. I found mine on eBay. Now some background on it. It had been in an accident. I researched the jeep. I spoke to the shop that did the repairs. It was what i considered, minimal front end esthetic damage. Unfortunately, the insurance company didnt want to fix it and it was considered totaled. Fortunately for me , the shop did a great job with the repairs. My jeep had 30,069 miles on it. I paid 23,000 for it. I flew from Louisiana to Miami Florida to pick it up. Was it a perfect jeep, no, but i got a great deal on it. Only esthetic damage mind you. All of that had been repaired. Since my purchase, i have put into it almost twice the money i paid for it. Almost everything yall have done to your jeeps, I’ve done also. I absolutely love it! It has now become my everyday vehicle. I take it rock climbing. My new passion. Ive found an awesome community of Jeep enthusiasts who are like minded and just fun. My new friends keep telling me that i will one day graduate to a four door. Im not so sure i will. I have developed a relationship with a wonderful 4x4 shop in my area. They started our jeep group over 5 years ago and it’s a wonderful charitable organization. I absolutely love your channel. Im 58 years old and im retired because of a disability. Can’t have numb fingers and perform dentistry lol. Everything yall have talked about today are valid points. I agree with everything yall have said. Im dealing with corrosion, of course , they wont fix it because of my title. Even though , nothing that was damaged in the accident required to be repainted. Until they fix their corporate issues, i will not be buying a brand new jeep. I would have loved to have a brand new 392. Not for the money that they are charging. My friends, just keep doing the great work yall do on this channel. I hope to meet yall some day. Take care and God bless
I am on my 3rd Wrangler, I work at the old Charger/challenger 300 plant. My wife recently had a JL Sahara as a rental and I didn’t like it. I would really like to see Jeep make an extremely basic Wrangler for a low price. Something that is super easy to work on and upgrade as needed. Not too many people want to take a $100k wrangler off-road.
Nice video, I really liked the 4xe when it came out, the power and electric only mode is great. However lately with the fire recall out with no fix available, plus the battery degradation that is double what Samsung said it would be, has me looking at used 392’s but then I hear about lifter problems with those. The 3.6 and 2.0 are just too slow and I’m used to saving fuel with the 4xe. Really wished that jeep would have had better quality standards for Samsung or testing on the battery cells before launching instead of trying to meet a CARB mandate. Really like the capability of the wrangler but there definitely needs to be some better QC.
Long time jeep owner. 93 Wrangler, 00 Cherokee Sport, 03 Wrangler Sport, 08 Sahara (piece of crap) and just purchased a 24 Willys. Interesting conversation with inventory manager. was told Stellantis plans to discontinue both the Gladiator AND the Wrangler line.
Absolutely love my 2023 Jeep gladiator Eco diesel with every option I wanted, including the front camera. 18,000 off sticker amazing bought it about a year ago. Killer deal. The quality control is superb so far from what I see the fit and finish interior the way the door closes everything I love amazing amazing amazing. I’m keeping it till I die.
I’m keeping my 2022 Rubicon Gladiator too! They replaced the high pressure fuel pump before I had any issues. 35’s and it has torque for days. 45,000 miles.
I can only speak for my self and I am one person so I don't think Stellantis will even see my message. But I am a loyal Jeep enthusiast. I have my first Jeep now for 24 years (26 year old Jeep bough second hand 3 years into its life) (1998 Jeep XJ 2 Door) and am loving it every day since I bought it. I have put money into it and made it better in every way you can. It's never let me down and has inspired family and friends to buy jeeps. From my mom getting a Jeep WJ to my GF to get a Jeep Renegade, To friends. One of which has now upgraded from a newer Cherokee to a Grand Cherokee with a Hemi and now a Willys Wrangler. I have even had people on the street stop me and tell me that my jeep inspired them to get one. To to mention random people offering me money for it on the street. If that does not tell you something about my Jeep then I dont know what does. I will never sell my Jeep XJ but wanted something bigger and was aiming for a Jeep Gladiator or a Wrangler with a JXL upgrade package to extend its rear by a foot or more (never enough space :) ). But I can't buy one and the reason is these vehicles and the prices they cost have left normal every day Joes like me in the dust never to buy one on a normal income. I would have to be paying 1000K about monthly for 96 months in Canada. and no I'm not crazy to suffer 10 years in dept. for this. These vehicles now are for the well of or rich. Or for the crazy which we Jeep people are about our Jeeps, but seriously way to much. Also JEEP in the past and now states they listen to their customer.. bragging they put a v8 in a wrangler. Because we listen to our customer their said. That's a total load of BS! Why they did this is because Ford Released the Bronco. If Jeep really listened to their customers they would put V8's into jeeps Decade(s) ago and continued to this day. And I dont mean the monster one like the 6.5- but instead smaller more practical ones be it a 4.7 V8 or a 5.7Hemi. They say they cant as the FCC and emissions. Well I have seen some youtubers buy and test the new GM 2.7 I4 Chevy/GM Canyon or Colorado and tested it against a older lifted GMC Sierra with a V8 (both on 35" tires) and guess which got better fuel economy? Yes the V8. Also if they are not allowed to produce these kind of engines then why is Jeep have Final Final edition???? What's next Final Final Final Final Edition? What Stellantis are the V8 6.4 bringing you money you greedy little Scroodges? Keeping your bean counters happy? Ok so what you'll give us a I6 hurricane? but wait that will be in a 392 equivalent in price here. For what? a engine made half of plastic? With no dip stick? Wait till these engines get 26 years old and the plastic gets brittle.. Engine fires anyone? Please Please for the love of god give us a decently powerful engine like the GM 2.7 that is in the Colorado. And yes Jeep has put engines from GM in before. Give us torque at load end and dont rip us off, we made you, We can also break you.. Notice your sales? Here is for your records, I actually bought a used Diesel wrangler had 55.000km on it and returned it Due to de dealer messing up on paper work and not disclosing what I was signing and for how much!... Thank god I returned it. It would of cost me 102K (canadian) all said and done for a Used jeep that was leaking oil and I can only imagine what that emission system did to the innards of the engine. I worked in retail for 13+ Years. Its simple, 1) LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!! 2) KEEP THINGS SIMPLE STUPID> we work on our vehicles. Dont force bad engineering so we cant fix them. There is no reason for this other then keeping us PAYING more for mechanic. We need to be able to fix it in the middle of no where. 3) back to #1 Give us good RELIABLE ENGINES, Good I4 like the GM 2.7 430lb torque.. No hybrids! thank you. 4) lower the weigh but dont increase it for Jeepers that dont WANT a 600-700 lb battery as dead weight that explodes! 5) give us more range in size of fuel tanks 6) (for the Cherokee guys) Give us a real Cherokee with solid Axels 7) Make if affordable to the people who made you!. Remember we still have to pay the loads that your dealers ever so happily put us in the highest monthly payment so they get something out ofg it. 8) DONT CHANGE OUR BRAND TO WHAT IT IS NOT! These are not sports cars. And if Mall moms want them they can buy them But dont make them into Cross Overs! Put that under your Chrysler name or Dodge. 9) regulate your dealers. Punish the ones that price gouge 10) Create a way your customer can communicate with you directly to help make you better (LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMER). This should not be through 3rd parties and forums. and TH-cam. CONNECT WITH US. 11) Don't bloat the prices, You are not the only one making capable trucks and you are loosing customer faster then you know. Im looking at a GM Colorado more and more. Gladiator's engine options SUCK!! Hybrid BAD idea for real jeepers. LISTEN PLEASE> Thanks for reading my rant and ideas. I wish you luck Stellantis , We all hope you make it right. Loyal Jeep Customer. Rob. PS: LOVE YOU CHANNEL DIRT ROAD CRED
JP 2024 here. I actually own a 2019 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon JLU that has been totally AEV upfitted. I was seriously considering buying a 2025 Rubicon X but decided not to due to the lack of AT on 3.6L engine and limited color choices. I've run Moab trails with my Jeep and will attend the Moab Jeep Safari next spring. Hopefully some Jeep execs will attend as well and be open to getting input from Jeep enthusiast on how they really feel the brand is doing. However with the recent mass exodus of Jeep management will the new suits even care?
Great video!! As a new Jeep Wrangler owner it saddens me to see what’s going on. I hope they fix all this so we can continue to enjoy jeeps for decades to come!! Such an awesome vehicle! Love the channel guys!!
2020 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon $87K in Canada. Did the TSB for the change the aluminum to cast iron steeringbox. I had the toe angle out from factory, after I paid for an alignment. Had steering wander. Put on the Synergy trackbar/pinion stablizer bracket. Have been having rocker arm problems since 59K to now at 84K with multiple misfires, misfire on cylinder 1, low fuel pressure - found dented fuel rail. Misfire dumping fuel into exhaust caused O2 sensor to burn out, having bank 1 cat problems from the fuel dumping from misfires. Plugged PVC valve caused backpressure and blew intake manifold seals, and blew valve cover seal. Now down to grounded out O2 sensor not functioning. Been riding my bike to work 1hr-10 min to and 1 hr-30 min home for the past 1.5 months, truck still in shop. Uphill both ways. Bad aux battery took out my main battery last year. Cost $275 aux battery, and $315 main battery. I have door hinge galvonic corrosion issues at 84K. Windshield cracked 15 min off the lot. Replaced with Gorrilla glas windshield, got 50 chips in first year, dealer replaced with standard glass, would not warranty Gorrilla glass two year warranty replacement. Just added a Rugged Ridge stubby bumper, Smitybilt 12K winch, and 7 inch Auxbeam 360 pro bumper lights, and 5 inch Auxbeam V-Ultra A-pillar led lights. Did the 5:13 regearing. Run 35 inch Milestar Patagonia MTs. Gladiators need 392 V8, Dana 60 Axles, 4.5 inch Teraflex extended travel lift.
Current mildly built JKUR owner here. I would love to see Jeep build some much lower cost no frill off-road oriented wranglers. Build something like Roxor but street legal. Basic, less electronics within reason. Easily built up. Less than $25k. I think that would be disruptive. Otherwise I’ll keep my paid off built rig.
The dealership i bought from told me that when they computer systems went down for the strike, there person in charge of ordering kept putting in orders every week and not clearing the old ones. So when the system came back up it processed all the orders and Stalantis wouldn't cancel the orders. They still have over 100 wranglers.
Hey guys. I remember a Jeep dealership out here in Nj years ago that actually had a little off road course. It was out in northwest Jersey. It was so cool there was a camelback and an off camber rutted section. They really catered to the enthusiast there.
💯 I am a first time jeep owner, I bought a 2018 JLRU and love it. Got a 3.5" lift, and steel bumper and etc. I wasn't planning on buying a brand new vehicle, but I was head over heels after the test drive. Due to many of the issues you guys touched on I would be scared to buy a new one now. I agree with many of the statements you made, most important the parent company not being in touch with the jeep market. This was a great video and it got me to subscribe.
This past Monday I decided to drive up to a local Jeep/Dodge dealership and there in front was a 2024 Jeep Wrangler RubiconX with automatic Transmission fully loaded. Price $71,300. I drove my 2021 Jeep Rubicon Gladiator and wanted to see what kind of deal I could get. They cut the price to $60,200 if decided to make a deal. I got $34,500 for my trade. Also got really low interest rate and also $500 military discount. The Wrangler was built at the end of August. I made the deal that evening and it's now mine!!! John
Biggest vehicle mistake I ever made was buying a newer Jeep. I have owned Jeeps from almost every decade from 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. My "new" Jeep is the worst. Engine problems, oil and coolant leaks, electrical, interior, cab leaks , cracked windshield, cabin controls, door hinges, tailgate hinges, seat bracket issues, steering issues, TPMS issues, odometer issues, the radio works but its not stock. Coolant problems, rust, suspension problems. I have towed home non running vehicles with fewer issues. I went and looked at a gladiator a while back but just cant do it.... I will never buy a new or newer Jeep. They are overpriced and absolutely unreliable at this point. I suppose if you can afford to buy a new one every 2-3 years they are kind of reliable but I doubt most people will be able to pay them off before at least one major mechanical failure happens, not to mention all the electrical/software issues. To be fair many other brands are the same these days. Over regulations to manipulate purchase choices and coerce people to go a certain way doesn't help. Manufacturers and owners need to start pushing back on the outrageous over regulation and manipulation through non-elected appointed officials making decrees. With the price and tech in newer engines you would think we could see better MPG and performance... but its rigged so we don't, too heavy and too complicated, meanwhile they ban small light affordable vehicles that get 40mpg.... ok Ill see myself out ha haha.
I have a '21 Willys Sport 2 door coming off lease. It's going back. I'd love to keep it, but the corrosion (NOT the hinges! It's the bottom of the doors and the hood) and the pre-ignition and the power steering issues. All of which the dealer refuses to address. This Jeep is going back and I'll never purchase another one for the foreseeable future. I've had a TJ before this and as you guys said, I was ok with the imperfections of that vehicle due to the price.
Im new to being a Jeep owner myself. But Jeep has been in my family's blood for four generations. I have worked at Jeep, my dad had 25 years in at the cove. My great grandfather was one of the inventors of the Willy's Knight engine in 1920. Our family is proud of the Jeep name and our city of Toledo where it began and remains. I hope that the wrangler can weather the storm Stellantis has created since taking over the brand. I feel that this city will die if the wrangler dies. In your video you never mentioned about the death wobble. My 23 HT has 14k on it and is already giving me the shakes. It will be going into the shop soon. Also as a side note. Im happy to learn that your half door hinges were painted underneath. 😊 Thanks guys for all the info you deliver to us.
I had death wobble at 3k miles. Had 4 bad o2 sensors so far as well. Just under 8500miles as of this morning when I took it in to get another o2 sensor fixed. I need to talk to lawyer on lemon law stuff
I also have a recall notification to fix my dashboard. So sick of this car. Edit: I just wanted to build an off-road truck and I can’t even trust it to drive 100miles.
I love my Jeep (2020 JT Rubicon) but I had to wait a few years and buy a nice used one because the price was ridiculous, I remember first seeing one in 2020 while driving my wife's loaded F150 Supercrew and the price was basically the same. I love the jeep, but other than offroad use, the F150 had more tech, more luxury, more power, more towing, more practicality. I had to wait and pay what the vehicle was actually worth on the used market. I have had other Jeeps and love them, but they are way over priced for what they are.
Three years ago I bought a fully loaded 2006 Jeep Commander for $6000. It was during the time when used car sales were going insane. When I purchased the Commander, everyone was killing it for being a POS and a Jeep failure from its inception. Too many electronics. Poor reliability. My Commander currently has 195k on it's original V8 engine and transmission. No check engine lights on the dash. I'm glad I took a chance on an older Jeep than to buy anything Jeep is currently selling today and I doubt that in 19 years we are going to see too many Wranglers, Gladiators and Grand Cherokees driving around with 195k on it's original engine and transmission.
Bought a 22 392 when they were “going away”. Then another year of them, then another that was “the last”. Now I have a 24 392 also for my wife. The loss in value on my 22 is crazy thanks to what I feel was just a money grab on a “not so special” trim now, plus new interior on a trim that wasn’t supposed to exist. Love the 392 obviously but spent a ton, and I’m gonna loose a ton thanks to horrible brand management. Not to mention the 24 3500 megacab at over 100k. That’s 300k with stellantis since 22 and it’s hard not to feel like they break it off in you and don’t care.
On July 8 I bought a Bikini Pearl RubiconX 4xe that was built on Dec 1 23 and was on the dealers lot since at least Dec23rd (o took a pic of it to send to my wife as she loved that color). MSRP was 74, marked down to 66 when I got it.
JP 2024- I’d love to replace my JK, but I have lifetime power train warranty and to get what I want would be at least $65K. We bought a 4Runner for the wife and still rock our JK with the clear coating peeling off.
The worst part of owning a Jeep or any CDJR product is dealing with their crappy dealer network and lousy service. Second is the crazy price hikes the last 5 years. I am the jeep enthusiast. I currently have 4 JL/JTs in the driveway, 3 of which i drive. Ram trucks are the same right now. Im looking for other options. Jeep/Ram are not even in my list.
I have a 22 Sahara V6 with the 6 speed. The gearing is so bad that I cannot use sixth gear unless I’m going 85 miles an hour. To make things worse, my clutch has a recall, but my dealership doesn’t have the parts to fix it.
Love your videos man I’m almost .60 and was thinking of getting a gladiator but some of these issues is starting to make me rethink this. I appreciate you bringing these issues up
Wow, I remember this same discussion as an owner and rider of Harley Davidson. The company was on the rocks...and the birth of HOG was one of the steps...that save the company...and brought HD into their glory years....Learn more .... The Harley Owners Group (HOG) is a sponsored community marketing club, operated by Harley-Davidson for enthusiasts of that brand's motorcycles. The HOG is "the grandaddy of all community-building efforts," serving to promote not just a consumer product, but a lifestyle. The HOG has also served to open new revenue streams for the company, with the production of tie-in merchandise offered to club members, numbering over one million strong, making it the largest factory-sponsored riding club in the world. The Harley-Davidson community was the prototype for the ethnographic term subculture of consumption, defined as "a distinctive subgroup of society that self-selects on the basis of a shared commitment to a particular product class, brand, or consumption activity."😢
We did the 4xe recall fix and it took 2 days. On the drive home from the dealership the engine blowout. Now we have a new engine and it sounds even more like a diesel. This thing has to go.
The part about the options is very true. I noticed that what you now have to buy the Mojave X or Rubicon X I got on my 2023 Mojave for less than the new X models cost. Granted i dont have the electric seats and fancy new infotainment system (which i personally dont like the look of) but I have everything else. And I only paid $61k. Also yes, the price is getting too high when you compare to competition. Ive seen a lot of diehard Jeep guys leave to the Bronco. It's hard to justify paying the price asked for the old pentastar.
A few years ago, VW in the U.S. offered the Spectrum program for the Golf R. Owners could choose from 40 colors. Audi offers their optional Exclusive colors - Wranglers are designed for fun colors, give buyers the option to choose and pay for the color they want with painted hinges. 😉
The biggest issue is Jeep pricing out their customers. You see it in the wrangler and Grand Cherokee specifically. They tried to compete with luxury brands when the customer has always been the crowd that wants practicality and the rugged/utilitarian feel of the Jeep brand. Bring back the cheaper Jeep with less electronics and sales will increase.
I am almost 70 and have owned a Jeep,of some kind my whole life. However my current Jeep is a 2009 jk rubicon with a lifetime warranty and I don’t see a reason to buy a new one.
Spot on. I’ve owned every generation of open-top Jeep but I sold my TJ in 2010 and owned Mazdas for a decade until the JK was put to bed. I just never liked that model’s look and I hated the unnecessary branding on the grill. I ordered a JL Rubicon in 2019 because I couldn’t find one at a dealership to test drive for more than a year. This Jeep seemed like it should’ve been the successor of the TJ. Love this Jeep and my wife’s 2021 JLU. I’m going to hang onto these for a while. Hopefully we won’t need to take another decade break from the brand after the JL! The only point that wasn’t mentioned was interest rates and the economy. I think that these are part of the stale Jeep inventory. I think a Jeep lending program with good interest rates, sale pricing or rebates could thin the herd.
Let us meet with the Jeep Corporate Marketing Team 😅
www.change.org/p/let-dirt-road-cred-meet-with-jeep-s-corporate-marketing-team
I just signed this petition. If you meet with them, please bring up if they can bring back the manual crank windows back.
Jp2024
Just bought a 2024 Wrangler. I really appreciate your insight to the issues with Jeep quality
CDJR dealer tech here. The corrosion issue is so minor in the grand scheme of things. About 80% of my workload these days are brand new under 2 year old vehicles with less than 15k miles. So many issues, especially with the 4XEs. A lot of it is software but when you get 6 grand Cherokees a week complaining about radio software issues what are we supposed to do? "Sorry, it's buggy. There will be an update to fix it eventually!". It's just complete nonsense how poor our quality control has gotten. The decisions they're making model wise is frankly insane. They're just sticking their head in the sand and pretending everything is fine. We're going to make multiple full EVs when our hybrids are the most unreliable in the industry? Don't even get me started about replacing the simple hemi with an overly complex twin turbo. That shit is going to be a nightmare in a few years.
Thank you for your feedback from the dealership, my wife’s GC has issues with the head unit since new in 2021…. It’s insane
@@DIRTROADCREDwe had a 2022 jeep compass trailhawk for 6 months, the volume on the head unit would go out after a out 10 minutes. They finally updated the software after about a month, it worked finally but there was no sound until like 15 on the volume knob lol. The little bity engine couldn't hardly do anything. We traded it in for my wife sport s wrangler in Tuscadero we love it.
I can honestly say that my GF and I both own Jeep Wranglers. Hers is a 2020 Rubicon Recon addition with the mild hybrid 2.0 turbo. Mine 2021 Willy's JLU which I ordered specifically. I will say I haven't had any major issue with my Jeep and the GF's has been a very solid as well. I will say that I definitely like the Mild Hybrid engine setup way better. I will add mine has been heavily upgraded and yes will out perform her jeep by a mile.
I wouldn't expect corrosion to be a major issue for dealers. In many cases-mine included-corrosion tends to become noticeable right around the time the warranty expires. At that point, most people likely turn to independent body shops rather than going back to the dealer.
The powertrain issues are a concern. My wife and I have discussed what to do with our 150K '15 Rubicon. We're seriously considering a major rework for $40K in a couple years. I'd like new, I'd like the (idea of) twin turbo I6. But, would I trust it at 60,000 miles climbing steep grades around Burgess Junction, Wyoming, off in the middle of nowhere, like I have the 3.6L?
Just a tip for you. Apparently there is a OTA update for the WL and WS, but we have to contact star EVERYTIME for them to push the update, just to send the vehicle out to update with the customer (oh and make sure ibs is over 80%🙃). I about went off on the rep that called us and said this is what we have to so for this. Also, the update says nothing about freezing and crashing, so I expect 0% of the vehicles to be “fixed” by their poorly binned processors and absolutely horrid software
Jeep ain't dead, but Stellantis' days are numbered.
Depends on the Jeep lol
My 4XE Rubicon is definitely dead though
The head of the Board and huge share holder Elkins seems enamored with Carlos Tavares. And that infatuation is costing him a huge chunk of change with the company going down the toilet. He would have saved money getting a high priced call girl.
@@Spanked78 Stellantis isn’t going anyway. But the CEO is. Shares went from $30 to $12 in less than a year. We did so good before this merger. If anything, they will split brands again but STL has so much cash, and the market is bad. America and Europe giving tax dollars to China is a huge part of it, not to mention the EPA rules that right now are only beneficial to China.
FURK the French frog bastards.... We need a billionaire (like Elon Musk but not Musk, he's doing his own electric trucks)) to buy JEEP. LONG live the V-8 Jeep!
STL is cash poor. They promised all 14 brands...that each was funded for 10 years of innovation and change...the are running billions of dollars cash negative. They now say brand's have only two years to become cash positive...or else.
Jeep needs to be solely an American company. I wish Chrysler would become its own company again. Stellantis doesn't know the American Jeep market,
Agreed.
Europeans destroy American brands. A European company bought our company out and is running it into the ground.
Clearly Chrysler didn’t know what to do with it either.
LMAO- Why? American companies are the top of greedy global companies vs international ones. Where is the dealership blame?
@@ur_shulgi9133 what are you talking about? All companies are “greedy.” You should research Japanese companies if you want to see greedy giant monopolies.
Jeep paid $14k to repaint my doors and hood, how is that cheaper than painting both sides of the hinges?? Great vid guys!
ditto here AND they paid to replace the HV battery in my '21 Rubi 4xe..They're losing money on my Jeep 100%
Probably because it’s only a handful of them that they actually have to service while under warranty.
I believe that the out of control pricing is the primary issue. In Canada a loaded Rubicon has been touching on $90K and the 392's are in the $120K range.
Thats insane….
In the UK a Rubicon with skytop approx 56-60k gbp (about 75-80k usd).
$15000 off a $70000 vehicle is not a deal, it's all relative.
It's not even a good start
Valid Point!
I only got 10k off msrp of 61k today Thought I did okay
@@cynicalcb Nah you still got taken to the cleaners, there is no way in hell I'd spend 51k on a jeep. Not these new ones anyway, although I understand. Good luck, and I hope it works out for you Cynical!
@@Deven210 51k for a Rubicon seemed pretty standard to me. At the very least more in line with the market.
Bought fully loaded 2021 2 door hydro blue rubicon on 4-3-21 before Covid crash. Loved the 3.6L V6 24 V VVTETorque and everything about it. After it was totaled by a DUI driver that rear ended me I ordered a 2024 Bikini 2 Door Rubicon X before strike. After finally getting it and now driving it for 10 months I’ve been so impressed with what the engineers have improved on this Jeep in the past 3 years in the off-road features as well as new safety features, seat warmers,and large screen display. Incorporating the front camera with lockers activating in the high 4wd mode instead of only locking in low gear is a huge improvement. Also disconnecting the sway bar is now within seconds instead of minutes makes a difference. I’m constantly off-roading on the beach so the corrosion issues scare me even though I haven’t seen it yet. I drive my Jeep on and off road and want it to be my forever vehicle.
There was no 3.6 turbo in 2021.
@@YuenanCao you are right. I meant 3.6L V6 24 V VVTETorque in my 2 door so when I step on gas it sure feels like turbo 😆
Forgot to add that the option of purchasing the 2024 with a warn winch with the Jeep warranty put the icing on the cake for this Jeep lover
10-15% of Jeep owners take their vehicles off road. If I was running the company, I would’ve released a base bottom Wrangler sport with 33 inch tires and tubular sidesteps. Call it the 1941 or something. Most people that buy Jeeps probably don’t even know what lockers, sway bars, etc are, but they’ll love the sporty look and low price.
Many more would take them off road if they didn’t cost so much to buy and repair!
Agreed. A rugged base model XR with all the heavy duty off-road mechanicals.
I think the major problem started in 2018 with the new JL; the prices shot up exponentially from there and the corrosion issues were laid with the aluminum panels. But I bought a 2015 Sahara off the showroom floor for 36k. and then the JL came out and suddently its like 2k to add an automatic transmission; and you couldn't buy these for less than 50k. I will never forget the exponential prices that started with the JL. I finally got tired of looking at the corrosion on my 2018 and bought a bronco wildtrak. I was done. I owned a 2004 LJ; 2015 JK; 2018 Rubicon; 2022 Bronco
I love my Jeep and I think many do too. Jeep isn't going anywhere, but Stellantis needs the boot. Great content, loved the discussion. Thank you!
Good overview guys...my 2018 had the bubbling around the hinges...when I was trading it in for my 2024 Willy's, they said it reduced the value...I quickly pointed out it was a manufacturing issue, not an owner issue...good video guys...
My 2020 Gladiator was looking at its 6th trip to the body shop for corrosion. It had to have a new transmission at 40,000 kms, and the Uconnect screen was freezing up if you drove for more than an hour. It had so many issues, and the dealership I bought it from said I had to start taking it to another dealership. Thankfully, I found Orillia Dodge. They helped me out with all my Jeep issues, and treated me like I had bought 4 Jeeps there. I decided that since I still have my TJ, I was fed up with all the headaches, and I bought a Ram. Orillia Dodge made me a deal I couldn't say no to. I'll never buy a new Jeep though.
Damn, sorry to hear all that!
@DIRTROADCRED don't get me wrong, I'll keep my TJ and/or get another JK, but after how the first dealership treated me... but time will tell right. I should rephrase my statement to, as of now, I won't buy a new Jeep. I'll make sure I watch your channel, though, so I stay up to date.
Jeep needs to be owned by an American company. I think Jeep could drop every vehicle except the Wrangler and Gladiator and they could survive on their own.
Slap a “Dodge” badge on everything except the Gladiator, Wrangler and maybe Grand Cherokee.
Why? ‘Merica corporate greed is just as bad (if not worse) than any international greedy corp. Buying a vehicle so over priced is giving green lights to any corp focused on profit vs quality or people
get Donald Trump to buy jeep
make jeep great again
Imagine if Elon bought jeep. Omega based
@@ur_shulgi9133 What are you talking about? All companies are “greedy.” You should research Japanese companies if you want to see greedy giant monopolies.
As a 4 month JLUR owner I am eating up all the Jeep content I can feed on. Your channel is at the top of my list for Jeep news! I got a silver Rubi but really wanted Punk'n or Gekco but they are near impossible to find on the used market with all the options I wanted.
Awesome! Thank you!
I don’t off-road but like the aggressive look and enjoying my jeep more and more
You make a lot of good points but…I ABSOLUTELY LOVE MY 2024 JEEP RUBICON EXTREME RECON !!!
I have a 22 trouble free Gladiator but I don’t haul much anymore and considered trading for a 24 Wrangler to benefit from more interior space and the new curtain airbags. However the cost has risen so much in 2 years I feel priced out. I’m also worried about declining reliability when so many other people are complaining about problems.
I own a '23 Mojave. Reason I bought it is my '15 Ram Pentastar has 230K problem free miles. Our '16 Caravan pentastar has 190K miles. Only issue was a fairly cheap TIPM i replaced myself. Maintenance seems to be key. Yeah it's not as simple as my old XJ, ZJ or J10s. But it makes the kids smile. Glad I didn't pay anywhere near MSRP.
I think the other thing you are forgetting is the Bronco also released in 21. So the market also splintered. As potential customers now had new other choices.
Fullsize vs midsized track width. Overpriced pavement princess that breaks under real wheeling vs. Proven trail rig.
There's a reason you only see jeeps and toyotas on real trails.
I bought my first NEW Jeep in 1997. Wrangler SE, stripped. No radio, soft-top, 2.5L "iron-duke", for $13,455. What made the Jeep such an iconic brand wasn't leather, "technology packages" and other options that made it just like everything else on the market, but that you could buy that stripped model, beat it all weekend, and still drive to work Monday morning.
I have a 20 gladiator that faded and corroded too, my wife has a 21 392 and the hydro hood is corroding similar to my hinges. and not at the hinges.
Its awesome!!!!!
We have 3 Wranglers in the driveway. We bought our first in 2012 and still have it. In 2023 we went to the dealer to buy our next Wrangler, a 2door Rubicon. The price was ridiculous - $50k (basically no options). No sale. Later, I pulled up some old pricing data on the internet to compare. A 2018 JL rubicon, similarly equipped, was $38k. A 30% increase in 5 years? The prices are so out of touch with reality. It feels like they are intentionally shutting out the loyal customers.
I’ve been following you since 2019.
So glad you guys circled back on these corrosion and other issues. Like you, I love my JL Rubicon even with these issues, but Jeep customers and potential buyers are voting with their feet by not buying this product.
We are pissed!
Thanks for not being scared to rip the band-aid off.
Great ideas that you offered to turn things back to the customers, which will help the bottom line and increase sales.
This was a great format to lay it out.
Thx!
Appreciate the long term support!
JP2024! Loved the video guys. Thanks for fighting the fight!
I love Jeeps and hope they continue to make them. With that said, I do have several issues with them and that’s why I don’t own one at the moment. Price has gone up and reliability/quality seems to be going down. There seems to be way too many low quality sensors on the newer Jeeps which are causing a lot of complaints. I’ve also had a bad experience with warranty work not getting covered. Less electronics, better quality components, and lower the price would be a good start for Jeep.
They are not giving discounts, they are actually selling them at what their price should be.
They are overpriced by $15,000
Thanks for providing a rational/practical discussion. There's definitely a problem when you can buy a Corvette for the same amount as a Jeep Wrangler.
I work at a Stella dealership. I’m a life long, 3rd generation, Mopar guy, and Jeep fanatic. My wife and I both drive Jeeps. A couple things-
A.) We ordered my wife’s 2.0 Xtreme Recon in early May, and it arrived in middle December. This is unacceptable to me. Order exactly what you want yes, but keep delivery to 6 weeks or less
B.) Just thank you all for the video, it echos exactly what my colleagues and I talk about in service and parts near weekly. Stellantis just doesn’t understand the 7 slots
I’ve been thinking of getting my first Jeep Wrangler. Went to check out a fully loaded 2024 Sahara yesterday, MSRP is 61K, after rebates brings it down to 55.5K. Hearing these issues with Jeep makes me hesitant of wanting to purchase it but it is my dream car. I currently been driving my first car for 12 years now so it’s time for an upgrade. Plus it’ll be my birthday present to myself of owning a wrangler. Should I still go for it?
Go for it; you'll love it! But trying haggling over the price some more. Offer them $45K. "Take it or leave it." Fall back to $50K if you have to.
No
I’m planning to get back to Jeep. I bought a 1988 YJ back in the day. Gave it Mickey Thompson Mudders. I have since sold it to a friend. I promised to myself, I’ll get a Jeep when I older. I’m 59 now. I’m buying an Eco- Diesel used Gladiator and a V8 Hemi modified Gladiator. The Best of the Best!
Thank you for finally mentioning the 14 Eastern states that get fined if they order internal combustion engines. Most of the dealerships near me have 20-30+ 4XEs that have been sitting on the lot. And when they seek they get discounted 10-15k. Not to mention we are on the cusp of a recession, if not already in one.
For sure!
I work at the Toledo assembly plant, this is literally killing us.
Relax. It's over 10 years away and things can change.
Gas vehicles aren't better for most people.
EVs aren't going away any more than computers, tablets, smart phones, microwave ovens, EKGs, x-rays, MRI and CT scanners, ultrasound, radar, sonar, lidar, infrared, cordless tools or portable radios are going away.
Tesla sold 1.8 million EVs in 2023.
That's more EVs than Ford sold in trucks.
It's like people arguing that rotary dial desk phones are better than smartphones.
Dial desk phones never need charging. They're much cheaper. They're more durable. They don't break when dropped or sat on. They work during power outages. They last for decades. They never need updating. They don't get lost...or stolen.
Don't get left behind, the future will be here tomorrow.
@@dvader3263 that’s because it’s forced. Remove the mandate, and stop those states from penalizing customers who order ICE…make it far playing field for a real comparison. Telsa sold more Cyber Trucks than Ford Lightning because people who actually want a truck bought the lightning or a gas powered F-150 were as Cyber Truck owners just want a Tesla.
@@dvader3263 and Ford sold a combined 1.99 million units last year.
This is all bittersweet to hear. Happy to hear the dealerships are struggling due to their greed but Jeep struggling in general sucks bc i don’t want this brand to go away
I own a 2023 2 door Willy's manual. And a 2024 Willy's 4 door automatic. I was not able to get a test drive for my manual, and I ordered it blind. I love both my JL models. And everything you both said was preaching to the heart of what I have been thinking. Thank you for your voice! You have more pull and sway than we do!
I'm considering a manual gladiator, would you buy the manual again?
Yes! But I'm going to regear from 3:45 to 4:88 in the axles after warranty is over. Clutch is perfect for town or trail
My big concern, why is stellantis selling vehicle testing grounds in Arizona? I mean, a European owner, to have such extreme environmental condition testing at their fingers, poof- gone. I live in the West, vehicles have to be durable, and have range, be able to handle temperature extremes from -30 below to 123 degrees. The roads are not the best. I am starting to worry a European owner is the wrong decision, they can't understand life west of the Mississippi
Legacy owner and long time fan here on my 10th Jeep. Multiple CJs, TJs, JK even some well built XJ, WK2 and now a first edition 2018 JL. Im blown away by the costs of what used to be an every man's vehicle. Mine is custom ordered as a Sahara base, but with a dana44 rear, muti-top - built up with factory Mopar 2"suspension, racks, rails etc
Candidly I would (begrudgingly) pay the price for a new one , but suddenly I am not even able to order a the V6 in an auto. I don't want either the Hybrid or the turbo charged 4... so I have simply opted to keep my 7 year old Jeep. In my case, while it is a daily - I don't commute in it so it only has 40k miles. As a result, I haven't updated. Something I typically do every 4-5 years. I am brand loyal... but do wonder what is going on with Jeep, and bummed by watching the changes that I would agree began during the 2020-21 time period.
So.... I have an 07 JK 2d, Wife's got a 12 JKU SAHARA, And i literally just bought a 20 JT sport mod'd- lifted, 20's w/35's. soft top. 30kmiles for 30k$. I feel good.!!!!!
50 year old German, living now for 20 years in Australia... all my Mercs (and one BMW) have been utter garbage... I mean blowing up V6s on my CLS320, or leaking water everywhere, not too mention RUST that went through the whole body... countless hours fighting with them to own up to this crap... My (first Jeep) 22 Gladiator Rubicon is compared to that top notch quality - no squeaks, or rattles... not even offroad... rust I haven't seen yet... but then again it ain't a Merc... I'd be ok with it... after all we do a lot of beach driving here in Australia.... Cheerio! Keep it up mate... love your channel since the beginning.... damn Jeep brought me here
The Jeep's mechanicals are solid. th-cam.com/video/w-WTrmNgNaY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ujDmCtfH_RQ9buKK
Thank you for talking about it. You are 100% right and this is what I have been saying to my wife. And it sad that Stellantis ruined Jeep. Need more engine options and bring back the 392 but not for $20k more.
Appreciate that!
I'm really glad you finally hit the nail on the head! I was getting tired of some fanatics saying, oh that's how Jeep always been. We forget it's a business and they need to attract first-time Jeep owners and be loyal in the future. Most folks who bash their Jeeps aren't buying new Jeeps, but pricing it this much for new consumers and they have to dealing with silly faults like rain drain, intermittent Uconnect faults, corrosion etc is a big NO NO!!! declining that is out of warranty - who do you expect to fix this, the second-hand owner; nope! - now they know too and staying off. And all the crazy fanatics can defend this while the company goes down the drain. Honestly, Jeep is a strong brand and can get stronger if they did their homework.
Let’s face it. Tavares and the board , along with global economic problems, are pretty much to blame for destroying what was left of CDJR. The disgruntled UAW workers no longer care about quality, further leading to fewer buyers. Seriously, jump the prices way up when interest rates are up? Dumb move for sales. Tavares made sure that he made big profits last year with no regard for 2024 and later sales. We own 4 2023 and 2024 Jeeps. My 4Xe Grand Cherokee has had so many recalls that it sits in the street. It’s past time for Stellantis to sell CDJR to a US buyer that understands our market.
I am a legacy follower and have enjoyed your content since dealership days but have been concerned that you guys haven’t dealt enough with the challenges that we Jeep enthusiasts are facing. Solid content here and you nailed the primary issues. Let’s hope an ownership change or other solution rights the ship shortly. Quality control (especially corrosion, forced 4xe, and option restrictions) combined with the elevated prices are a long term killer. I just bought my 2nd (Willy’s) in 4 years and love the Jeep life but not sure I will go to the well a third time without positive change. Keep up the great work!
Yes, those that got burned should be pissed. I am not one of them, however, I am still upset because of the pricing. My 2017 Recon JK fully loaded stickered for $46K, and I bought it in Jul 2017 when 2018 were about to roll so they took $6K off. That's a fully loaded Rubicon JKU Recon with steel bumpers, 1" lift, lockers, leather, etc. for $40K. That jeep (equivalent) today would be $75-80K. So in 7 years it has double in price. I may have to go buy a Landcruiser...... The last 8 vehicles I've owned were all CDJR products. But Toyota (SUV, truck) and Honda (car) may be the next ones in my garage.
Your JK isn’t comparable to a 2024+ JL Rubicon, no matter how much you dump into it. Power seats, Nappa leather, curtain air bags just to name a few. If you used the inflation calculator and put your amount in, it’s worth $66k today.
I contacted multiple dealers around me for 392 wranglers and they still not discounting them, they sitting for over 200 days on the lot, I offer $80k and they all declined. Best of luck to them for surviving. No single customer on theirs lots of
Wish I could get a bare bones model but with all the performance goodies. Ala Rubicon without the luxury items. Base model, 3.6, lockers, full float axles, casetfr case, 4:88 gears. 37s
Same!
@@t.o.f.t.s. stellantis doesn’t completely understand the American market. Perfect example they discontinued the V8.
@jasonnash7323 well that may be due to Obama era EPA restrictions. 😡. Ridiculous
My local Jeep dealer had 3 4xe’s on the lot for well over 200 days. The week prior to me going in they had a dealer discount of over 12k on them. I had fully planned to buy one the next week when I got back in town. I went in on that next Monday fully ready to buy it and they removed the discount and absolutely would not deal with me saying well that was last week you should have come in then. The next day I went to my local Ford dealer and bought a Bronco Badlands Sasquatch because they would work with me on price bc that vehicle had been there for a similar about of them. Won’t go back to that dealer and probably Jeep for a very long time now…..and those 4xe’s are still sitting on the lot. Makes no sense to me.
My 392 is my J-Wagon. G-Wagon for the common guy!
No that's what they want you to buy into. It's just an over priced jeep. Dam cool one but not on level of Mercedes
I'm on my 5th Jeep (CJ-7, TJ, TJ Rubicon, JK Sahara, and JL Sahara) and would normally consider swapping out my ride around the 5-year mark… BUT…, for me, they simply aren't worth what Jeep/dealers are currently asking. Service hasn't been any better. Oil changes usually cost me a little over $80 (and were up until April 2024); my last one (in September 2024) was $130. WTF? If my current Jeep isn't my last car (I'm in my 60s), my next vehicle will likely be something else. So sick of the dealer model in generall; paying extra for, basically, nothing.
With the new recall on 4xe which I have (2024) WHY are they still selling these if you are not suppose to charge them anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly! They shouldn’t sell it before fix the situation. One of the parking says “ don’t park 4xe any model. They will towing. How ridiculous wrangler 4xe is very expensive car. Do something!!!
It’s a illusion to keep the fake green narrative they are force to push being a European car company
The salesman I spoke to just TODAY regarding a 4xe said it hasn't "moved to the stop-sale stage yet" so they would gladly sell me one today. They need to throw another $10K on the hood before I consider it though. We'll see how motivated Stellantis, and their greedy dealer network, actually is to sell out of this excessive inventory prior to year end. I'll be waiting and watching....
@@jeffdetrick wow.. it seems that they really don’t care about customers. I guess they also want to get rid of it 🤣 imagine all the 4xe blow up in dealership. However they offer 0% +14k~16k discount. But still so expensive + I want to parking my vehicle indoors! Especially shopping centers! Haha
I’ve wanted a Wrangler my entire life. I had a ‘00 Cherokee that I loved but wasn’t a Wrangler. The 10th of this month I ordered my first Wrangler Rubicon with the AEV JL350 package 2.5” DualSport suspension in Fathom Blue and I’m friggin stoked!! Got a great deal from Dan Cummins but that’s another topic. The Jeep community will always be strong because we are passionate! I love the ideas of the colors as a 2k option because that’s what I was waiting for. I wanted deep dark blue. I do think too many option are problematic for any company and not cost effective so I understand some of those decisions. After all the Jeep community is big on after market customization. Maybe they get back to the basics like Sport, Willys, Sahara, and Rubicon. Then let the Off-road shops, forums, and TH-camrs show the community how to pimp their rides! An affordable Jeep in a standard trim that allows everyone to build what they want I think would help. I think you are on to something when you talk about boutique style as well. Jeep offers the trims and dealers can put together aftermarket packages . Keep corporate at the headquarters and let the dealers tackle the custom portion. My two cents.
Well anyway, I’ll let you know how long my build takes. I’m not expecting it for quite a while. Thanks for what you guys do!
Whats the delivery time? I just was told that 2025's are not shipping due to parts and problems. Only a few have made it out into the wild. Plus the line is on a first shift only working one on, two weeks off.
@@TolcomOhio they said 6-12 weeks but with the current situation of 23/24 inventory, plus having to go to AEV after the factory, and I picked a late run color, I’ll be excited if I get it by April or May. Time will tell..
@@hankpilot I love the color. Told myself I would get it when it was available. Butbim kind of stuck with my 23 high tide in high velocity.
I wanted to trade my 22 Tacoma sport for a Willy’s extreme recon but this video has changed my mind.
I have a 22 gladiator Rubicon. It has an on going issue with the front passenger brake grabbing and then releasing slowly. Dealer says there's nothing wrong with it. Went past the Dealer on Friday, nothing but blue tow hooks on the lot. But no discounts, at least on the window stickers
Love the straight talk....keep it up.
Thank you!
Great channel - thanks for the content you put out
I’m on my 5th wrangler - 1 TJ - 2JKs - 2JLs
The 2 JLs were purchased 18months apart
23-JLRubicon purchased March of 23 msrp 58k purchased for 60k OTD
24 JL Rubicon purchased October of 24 msrp 78k purchased for 60k OTD
These numbers against that period of time should speak to their desire to move units
I was going to buy one in 2020 but couldn’t get my mind around 75k (which included an 8k dealer lift wheels and tires package) for a wrangler with 500 bucks off msrp
Jeep added way too many engine options and trims - time to slim down get back to basics - but I get why these things happen and sometimes brands do need to try to do more but sometimes it can happen faster than they can assess and find what works well - I believe that to be the case here
I agree with much of what you all are saying about reclassifying the segments of wranglers into 2 buckets and bringing more colors in - at least charging for them would be smart rather than making people wait - there are people out there with money willing to pay for the color they want -
And yes please just keep pressing on ventilated seats - I came close to buying a bronco just for that reason but I’m still here Jeep - put some ventilated seats on the next model
Jeep is disappointing, they have a timeless platform that offers so much potential to consumers but they keep fumbling the bag by targeting exclusively luxury vehicle market.
I admit a majority of jeep wranglers will never see a dirt road more than once a year, I cant fathom not expanding into entry level markets with lower tier trims. Jeeps are pretty cheap to build, simple machines with cheap parts and endless configurations.
I do not foresee jeep being able to write the course whilst maintaining the current projections for Full EV that stellantis is pushing for.
Also i want that damned fold down brush guard
lol we all want the fold down brush guard, I’m tempted to start designing our own!
Appreciate that you offered some solutions as well in this video. It's far easier these days to list off all the complaints but you added some suggestions to help the situation. Keep up the great job fella's.
Stellantis is on the door for bankruptcy. They might shut doors tomorrow. There goes your warranty, any parts made, or any support. Stellantis is a forgiven company no u.s. buyout. Pray that jeep gets sold before this happens.
Let’s hope!
This isn't true, they're still printing money. They're just printing *less*. They're still making billions in profit each quarter, and last I heard they had ~52b in liquid cash laying around for investments.
@alphawolffff not in the north American market tho.
@@alphawolffff look at stellantis stock. Down 44% in a year!
Stellantis doesn't manufacture all of the parts for Jeep. Suppliers and aftermarket companies will continue to make parts.
You don't need the dealer. Other mechanics can repair the vehicle.
Just bought a 2024 gladiator rubicon x manual high velocity. Never had a jeep before, always subaru. The buying process is so different. With subaru, I tell them what I want, and they try to find it at some other dealership, or order it. And the price is the price. None of my local jeep dealerships had what I was looking for, honestly most of them didn't even know what I was talking about. None of them could really get it. None of them would even negotiate on price. Finally bought one from 1000+ miles away for 25% off MSRP, and had it shipped. That is NOT the way to get/keep customers.
I purchased a Gadiator 2023 Diesel Willys. Cost about 55,000 with long term warranty. I thought it not a bad deal for the price. I also think the Gladiator is a very nice fit for a sububan style pickup / utility vehicle. Most home owners just need a truck to haul things out and in and the Gladiator can definately do that. I get 26 mpg and am very happy.
I’m not an engineer, but a fix for the corrosion issue may be:
1) put a rubber plate between the body and the hinge, which may be quicker and easier than repainting and hoping the paint matches. These could be done at Jeep events and rallies to begin with, then spread to dealerships. Quick fix at low cost.
2) start painting them correctly at the factory during new Jeep builds.
Great discussion. I really hope Jeep pulls through with some of the loyalists requests... but I'm one of the ones thinking the bean counters killed a great thing. Thank you those on the line building our beloved Jeeps. Your service is appreciated.
They also need to get back to SEMA. They used to have the second or third largest booth at SEMA. Now they are gone. I'm assuming it costs a lot to have a large booth at SEMA, but at least have a presence. So much of SEMA is off-road, overlanding and customizing parts and companies. They should be there.
JP 2024 I don't think my purchase of a Rubicon X a few weeks ago will keep Jeep in business but although Jeep took a lot of options away and forced me into the X I just couldn't find another brand that peaked my interest. I've owned a Wrangler since 2011 and thoroughly enjoyed it. By the way, the reason I jumped on the X is because the dealer dropped the price $6600 plus a got a Jeep loyalty discount of $600. So, needless to say the out the door price was well below $70,000 which was the MSRP.
I love this video, thanks Matt and Ryan! I've been driving Jeeps professionally for the past few years to help bring the brand to life at auto shows and off-road events. In all that time, I have felt ZERO love from corporate, and ZERO offers of any kind of purchase discount, even though I wheeled with Jim Morrison (now retired) on more than one occasion. As I’m sure many others have, I felt like their #1 fan for YEARS, and yet… they simply don’t care. So couple that with the increased quality issues, yeah, I got increasingly angry at the corporate disregard for an extremely loyal customer base. They had their chance and they blew it. And several insiders saw the writing on the wall as soon as Stellantis took over- increased cost cutting and quality issues. Thanks again for your insights- you guys nailed it.
I just bought a $61K 2024 Rubicon 3.6l for $16K off - had to wait 2 weeks for delivery from factory
my local JDCR dealer has closed its doors...all cars are gone from the lots...have to go down 2 towns to another dealer for service....
I just bought back in August of this year, a new 2024 Jeep Rubicon w/a 6 speed manual, 3.6L V6, for over $51K, after a $8K price cut.
It's fully loaded, including having all Leather Seats.
After 1500 miles, the damn transmission started going. 😡
After a month and a half at the dealer, they finally got a replacement transmission. They're in the process of installing it right now, together w/a brand new clutch assy. I told them that I want to inspect the installation up on the lift before they hand me the keys.
Very seldom does a manual transmission ever fail, especially a brand new one no less.
I am not a first time jeep owner. I owned three Cherokees back in the 90’s. But i am a first time wrangler owner. I bought a 2018 sport S 2-door last November. I had been looking for quite awhile. I found mine on eBay. Now some background on it. It had been in an accident. I researched the jeep. I spoke to the shop that did the repairs. It was what i considered, minimal front end esthetic damage. Unfortunately, the insurance company didnt want to fix it and it was considered totaled. Fortunately for me , the shop did a great job with the repairs. My jeep had 30,069 miles on it. I paid 23,000 for it. I flew from Louisiana to Miami Florida to pick it up. Was it a perfect jeep, no, but i got a great deal on it. Only esthetic damage mind you. All of that had been repaired. Since my purchase, i have put into it almost twice the money i paid for it. Almost everything yall have done to your jeeps, I’ve done also. I absolutely love it! It has now become my everyday vehicle. I take it rock climbing. My new passion. Ive found an awesome community of Jeep enthusiasts who are like minded and just fun. My new friends keep telling me that i will one day graduate to a four door. Im not so sure i will. I have developed a relationship with a wonderful 4x4 shop in my area. They started our jeep group over 5 years ago and it’s a wonderful charitable organization. I absolutely love your channel. Im 58 years old and im retired because of a disability. Can’t have numb fingers and perform dentistry lol. Everything yall have talked about today are valid points. I agree with everything yall have said. Im dealing with corrosion, of course , they wont fix it because of my title. Even though , nothing that was damaged in the accident required to be repainted. Until they fix their corporate issues, i will not be buying a brand new jeep. I would have loved to have a brand new 392. Not for the money that they are charging. My friends, just keep doing the great work yall do on this channel. I hope to meet yall some day. Take care and God bless
I am on my 3rd Wrangler, I work at the old Charger/challenger 300 plant. My wife recently had a JL Sahara as a rental and I didn’t like it. I would really like to see Jeep make an extremely basic Wrangler for a low price. Something that is super easy to work on and upgrade as needed. Not too many people want to take a $100k wrangler off-road.
Nice video, I really liked the 4xe when it came out, the power and electric only mode is great. However lately with the fire recall out with no fix available, plus the battery degradation that is double what Samsung said it would be, has me looking at used 392’s but then I hear about lifter problems with those. The 3.6 and 2.0 are just too slow and I’m used to saving fuel with the 4xe. Really wished that jeep would have had better quality standards for Samsung or testing on the battery cells before launching instead of trying to meet a CARB mandate. Really like the capability of the wrangler but there definitely needs to be some better QC.
Long time jeep owner. 93 Wrangler, 00 Cherokee Sport, 03 Wrangler Sport, 08 Sahara (piece of crap) and just purchased a 24 Willys. Interesting conversation with inventory manager. was told Stellantis plans to discontinue both the Gladiator AND the Wrangler line.
Absolutely love my 2023 Jeep gladiator Eco diesel with every option I wanted, including the front camera. 18,000 off sticker amazing bought it about a year ago. Killer deal. The quality control is superb so far from what I see the fit and finish interior the way the door closes everything I love amazing amazing amazing. I’m keeping it till I die.
I love my 23 diesel gladiator as well!
I’m keeping my 2022 Rubicon Gladiator too! They replaced the high pressure fuel pump before I had any issues. 35’s and it has torque for days. 45,000 miles.
I can only speak for my self and I am one person so I don't think Stellantis will even see my message. But I am a loyal Jeep enthusiast. I have my first Jeep now for 24 years (26 year old Jeep bough second hand 3 years into its life) (1998 Jeep XJ 2 Door) and am loving it every day since I bought it. I have put money into it and made it better in every way you can. It's never let me down and has inspired family and friends to buy jeeps. From my mom getting a Jeep WJ to my GF to get a Jeep Renegade, To friends. One of which has now upgraded from a newer Cherokee to a Grand Cherokee with a Hemi and now a Willys Wrangler. I have even had people on the street stop me and tell me that my jeep inspired them to get one. To to mention random people offering me money for it on the street. If that does not tell you something about my Jeep then I dont know what does.
I will never sell my Jeep XJ but wanted something bigger and was aiming for a Jeep Gladiator or a Wrangler with a JXL upgrade package to extend its rear by a foot or more (never enough space :) ). But I can't buy one and the reason is these vehicles and the prices they cost have left normal every day Joes like me in the dust never to buy one on a normal income. I would have to be paying 1000K about monthly for 96 months in Canada. and no I'm not crazy to suffer 10 years in dept. for this. These vehicles now are for the well of or rich. Or for the crazy which we Jeep people are about our Jeeps, but seriously way to much.
Also JEEP in the past and now states they listen to their customer.. bragging they put a v8 in a wrangler. Because we listen to our customer their said. That's a total load of BS! Why they did this is because Ford Released the Bronco. If Jeep really listened to their customers they would put V8's into jeeps Decade(s) ago and continued to this day. And I dont mean the monster one like the 6.5- but instead smaller more practical ones be it a 4.7 V8 or a 5.7Hemi.
They say they cant as the FCC and emissions. Well I have seen some youtubers buy and test the new GM 2.7 I4 Chevy/GM Canyon or Colorado and tested it against a older lifted GMC Sierra with a V8 (both on 35" tires) and guess which got better fuel economy? Yes the V8. Also if they are not allowed to produce these kind of engines then why is Jeep have Final Final edition???? What's next Final Final Final Final Edition? What Stellantis are the V8 6.4 bringing you money you greedy little Scroodges? Keeping your bean counters happy?
Ok so what you'll give us a I6 hurricane? but wait that will be in a 392 equivalent in price here. For what? a engine made half of plastic? With no dip stick? Wait till these engines get 26 years old and the plastic gets brittle.. Engine fires anyone?
Please Please for the love of god give us a decently powerful engine like the GM 2.7 that is in the Colorado. And yes Jeep has put engines from GM in before. Give us torque at load end and dont rip us off, we made you, We can also break you.. Notice your sales? Here is for your records, I actually bought a used Diesel wrangler had 55.000km on it and returned it Due to de dealer messing up on paper work and not disclosing what I was signing and for how much!... Thank god I returned it. It would of cost me 102K (canadian) all said and done for a Used jeep that was leaking oil and I can only imagine what that emission system did to the innards of the engine.
I worked in retail for 13+ Years. Its simple,
1) LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!!
2) KEEP THINGS SIMPLE STUPID> we work on our vehicles. Dont force bad engineering so we cant fix them. There is no reason for this other then keeping us PAYING more for mechanic. We need to be able to fix it in the middle of no where.
3) back to #1 Give us good RELIABLE ENGINES, Good I4 like the GM 2.7 430lb torque.. No hybrids! thank you.
4) lower the weigh but dont increase it for Jeepers that dont WANT a 600-700 lb battery as dead weight that explodes!
5) give us more range in size of fuel tanks
6) (for the Cherokee guys) Give us a real Cherokee with solid Axels
7) Make if affordable to the people who made you!. Remember we still have to pay the loads that your dealers ever so happily put us in the highest monthly payment so they get something out ofg it.
8) DONT CHANGE OUR BRAND TO WHAT IT IS NOT! These are not sports cars. And if Mall moms want them they can buy them But dont make them into Cross Overs! Put that under your Chrysler name or Dodge.
9) regulate your dealers. Punish the ones that price gouge
10) Create a way your customer can communicate with you directly to help make you better (LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMER). This should not be through 3rd parties and forums. and TH-cam. CONNECT WITH US.
11) Don't bloat the prices, You are not the only one making capable trucks and you are loosing customer faster then you know. Im looking at a GM Colorado more and more. Gladiator's engine options SUCK!! Hybrid BAD idea for real jeepers. LISTEN PLEASE>
Thanks for reading my rant and ideas. I wish you luck Stellantis , We all hope you make it right.
Loyal Jeep Customer.
Rob.
PS: LOVE YOU CHANNEL DIRT ROAD CRED
JP 2024 here. I actually own a 2019 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon JLU that has been totally AEV upfitted.
I was seriously considering buying a 2025 Rubicon X but decided not to due to the lack of AT on 3.6L engine and limited color choices. I've run Moab trails with my Jeep and will attend the Moab Jeep Safari next spring. Hopefully some Jeep execs will attend as well and be open to getting input from Jeep enthusiast on how they really feel the brand is doing. However with the recent mass exodus of Jeep management will the new suits even care?
Great video!! As a new Jeep Wrangler owner it saddens me to see what’s going on. I hope they fix all this so we can continue to enjoy jeeps for decades to come!! Such an awesome vehicle! Love the channel guys!!
2020 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon $87K in Canada. Did the TSB for the change the aluminum to cast iron steeringbox. I had the toe angle out from factory, after I paid for an alignment. Had steering wander. Put on the Synergy trackbar/pinion stablizer bracket. Have been having rocker arm problems since 59K to now at 84K with multiple misfires, misfire on cylinder 1, low fuel pressure - found dented fuel rail. Misfire dumping fuel into exhaust caused O2 sensor to burn out, having bank 1 cat problems from the fuel dumping from misfires. Plugged PVC valve caused backpressure and blew intake manifold seals, and blew valve cover seal. Now down to grounded out O2 sensor not functioning. Been riding my bike to work 1hr-10 min to and 1 hr-30 min home for the past 1.5 months, truck still in shop. Uphill both ways. Bad aux battery took out my main battery last year. Cost $275 aux battery, and $315 main battery. I have door hinge galvonic corrosion issues at 84K. Windshield cracked 15 min off the lot. Replaced with Gorrilla glas windshield, got 50 chips in first year, dealer replaced with standard glass, would not warranty Gorrilla glass two year warranty replacement.
Just added a Rugged Ridge stubby bumper, Smitybilt 12K winch, and 7 inch Auxbeam 360 pro bumper lights, and 5 inch Auxbeam V-Ultra A-pillar led lights. Did the 5:13 regearing. Run 35 inch Milestar Patagonia MTs. Gladiators need 392 V8, Dana 60 Axles, 4.5 inch Teraflex extended travel lift.
Current mildly built JKUR owner here. I would love to see Jeep build some much lower cost no frill off-road oriented wranglers. Build something like Roxor but street legal. Basic, less electronics within reason. Easily built up. Less than $25k. I think that would be disruptive. Otherwise I’ll keep my paid off built rig.
The dealership i bought from told me that when they computer systems went down for the strike, there person in charge of ordering kept putting in orders every week and not clearing the old ones. So when the system came back up it processed all the orders and Stalantis wouldn't cancel the orders. They still have over 100 wranglers.
Hey guys. I remember a Jeep dealership out here in Nj years ago that actually had a little off road course. It was out in northwest Jersey. It was so cool there was a camelback and an off camber rutted section. They really catered to the enthusiast there.
Thanks for highlighting my silver and black CJ5. Had a good time in Pigeon Forge.
💯 I am a first time jeep owner, I bought a 2018 JLRU and love it. Got a 3.5" lift, and steel bumper and etc.
I wasn't planning on buying a brand new vehicle, but I was head over heels after the test drive.
Due to many of the issues you guys touched on I would be scared to buy a new one now. I agree with many of the statements you made, most important the parent company not being in touch with the jeep market.
This was a great video and it got me to subscribe.
This past Monday I decided to drive up to a local Jeep/Dodge dealership and there in front was a 2024 Jeep Wrangler RubiconX with automatic Transmission fully loaded. Price $71,300. I drove my 2021 Jeep Rubicon Gladiator and wanted to see what kind of deal I could get. They cut the price to $60,200 if decided to make a deal. I got $34,500 for my trade. Also got really low interest rate and also $500 military discount. The Wrangler was built at the end of August. I made the deal that evening and it's now mine!!! John
Biggest vehicle mistake I ever made was buying a newer Jeep. I have owned Jeeps from almost every decade from 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. My "new" Jeep is the worst. Engine problems, oil and coolant leaks, electrical, interior, cab leaks , cracked windshield, cabin controls, door hinges, tailgate hinges, seat bracket issues, steering issues, TPMS issues, odometer issues, the radio works but its not stock. Coolant problems, rust, suspension problems.
I have towed home non running vehicles with fewer issues. I went and looked at a gladiator a while back but just cant do it.... I will never buy a new or newer Jeep. They are overpriced and absolutely unreliable at this point. I suppose if you can afford to buy a new one every 2-3 years they are kind of reliable but I doubt most people will be able to pay them off before at least one major mechanical failure happens, not to mention all the electrical/software issues. To be fair many other brands are the same these days. Over regulations to manipulate purchase choices and coerce people to go a certain way doesn't help. Manufacturers and owners need to start pushing back on the outrageous over regulation and manipulation through non-elected appointed officials making decrees. With the price and tech in newer engines you would think we could see better MPG and performance... but its rigged so we don't, too heavy and too complicated, meanwhile they ban small light affordable vehicles that get 40mpg.... ok Ill see myself out ha haha.
I have a '21 Willys Sport 2 door coming off lease. It's going back. I'd love to keep it, but the corrosion (NOT the hinges! It's the bottom of the doors and the hood) and the pre-ignition and the power steering issues. All of which the dealer refuses to address. This Jeep is going back and I'll never purchase another one for the foreseeable future. I've had a TJ before this and as you guys said, I was ok with the imperfections of that vehicle due to the price.
Im new to being a Jeep owner myself. But Jeep has been in my family's blood for four generations. I have worked at Jeep, my dad had 25 years in at the cove. My great grandfather was one of the inventors of the Willy's Knight engine in 1920. Our family is proud of the Jeep name and our city of Toledo where it began and remains. I hope that the wrangler can weather the storm Stellantis has created since taking over the brand. I feel that this city will die if the wrangler dies.
In your video you never mentioned about the death wobble. My 23 HT has 14k on it and is already giving me the shakes. It will be going into the shop soon.
Also as a side note. Im happy to learn that your half door hinges were painted underneath. 😊
Thanks guys for all the info you deliver to us.
I had death wobble at 3k miles. Had 4 bad o2 sensors so far as well. Just under 8500miles as of this morning when I took it in to get another o2 sensor fixed.
I need to talk to lawyer on lemon law stuff
@@TeensierPython what did they do to fix the wobble?
@@TolcomOhio new steering damper.
I also have a recall notification to fix my dashboard.
So sick of this car.
Edit: I just wanted to build an off-road truck and I can’t even trust it to drive 100miles.
@@TeensierPython that sounds about right.
I love my Jeep (2020 JT Rubicon) but I had to wait a few years and buy a nice used one because the price was ridiculous, I remember first seeing one in 2020 while driving my wife's loaded F150 Supercrew and the price was basically the same. I love the jeep, but other than offroad use, the F150 had more tech, more luxury, more power, more towing, more practicality. I had to wait and pay what the vehicle was actually worth on the used market. I have had other Jeeps and love them, but they are way over priced for what they are.
Three years ago I bought a fully loaded 2006 Jeep Commander for $6000. It was during the time when used car sales were going insane. When I purchased the Commander, everyone was killing it for being a POS and a Jeep failure from its inception. Too many electronics. Poor reliability. My Commander currently has 195k on it's original V8 engine and transmission. No check engine lights on the dash.
I'm glad I took a chance on an older Jeep than to buy anything Jeep is currently selling today and I doubt that in 19 years we are going to see too many Wranglers, Gladiators and Grand Cherokees driving around with 195k on it's original engine and transmission.
Bought a 22 392 when they were “going away”. Then another year of them, then another that was “the last”. Now I have a 24 392 also for my wife. The loss in value on my 22 is crazy thanks to what I feel was just a money grab on a “not so special” trim now, plus new interior on a trim that wasn’t supposed to exist. Love the 392 obviously but spent a ton, and I’m gonna loose a ton thanks to horrible brand management. Not to mention the 24 3500 megacab at over 100k. That’s 300k with stellantis since 22 and it’s hard not to feel like they break it off in you and don’t care.
On July 8 I bought a Bikini Pearl RubiconX 4xe that was built on Dec 1 23 and was on the dealers lot since at least Dec23rd (o took a pic of it to send to my wife as she loved that color). MSRP was 74, marked down to 66 when I got it.
Prices on Jeeps have simply gotten way out of hand. But you could say that almost as a whole for the entire auto industry.
JP 2024- I’d love to replace my JK, but I have lifetime power train warranty and to get what I want would be at least $65K. We bought a 4Runner for the wife and still rock our JK with the clear coating peeling off.
The worst part of owning a Jeep or any CDJR product is dealing with their crappy dealer network and lousy service. Second is the crazy price hikes the last 5 years.
I am the jeep enthusiast. I currently have 4 JL/JTs in the driveway, 3 of which i drive.
Ram trucks are the same right now.
Im looking for other options. Jeep/Ram are not even in my list.
I have a 22 Sahara V6 with the 6 speed. The gearing is so bad that I cannot use sixth gear unless I’m going 85 miles an hour. To make things worse, my clutch has a recall, but my dealership doesn’t have the parts to fix it.
Love your videos man I’m almost .60 and was thinking of getting a gladiator but some of these issues is starting to make me rethink this. I appreciate you bringing these issues up
Wow, I remember this same discussion as an owner and rider of Harley Davidson. The company was on the rocks...and the birth of HOG was one of the steps...that save the company...and brought HD into their glory years....Learn more
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The Harley Owners Group (HOG) is a sponsored community marketing club, operated by Harley-Davidson for enthusiasts of that brand's motorcycles. The HOG is "the grandaddy of all community-building efforts," serving to promote not just a consumer product, but a lifestyle. The HOG has also served to open new revenue streams for the company, with the production of tie-in merchandise offered to club members, numbering over one million strong, making it the largest factory-sponsored riding club in the world. The Harley-Davidson community was the prototype for the ethnographic term subculture of consumption, defined as "a distinctive subgroup of society that self-selects on the basis of a shared commitment to a particular product class, brand, or consumption activity."😢
This is very interesting, and something that I wasn’t aware of, how neat would that be to have something similar on the wrangler side!
@DIRTROADCRED happy to share and discuss
We did the 4xe recall fix and it took 2 days. On the drive home from the dealership the engine blowout. Now we have a new engine and it sounds even more like a diesel. This thing has to go.
The part about the options is very true. I noticed that what you now have to buy the Mojave X or Rubicon X I got on my 2023 Mojave for less than the new X models cost. Granted i dont have the electric seats and fancy new infotainment system (which i personally dont like the look of) but I have everything else. And I only paid $61k.
Also yes, the price is getting too high when you compare to competition. Ive seen a lot of diehard Jeep guys leave to the Bronco. It's hard to justify paying the price asked for the old pentastar.
I'm a new 2022 Willy's owner and I love it. But I definitely want to see things get straightened out.
A few years ago, VW in the U.S. offered the Spectrum program for the Golf R. Owners could choose from 40 colors. Audi offers their optional Exclusive colors - Wranglers are designed for fun colors, give buyers the option to choose and pay for the color they want with painted hinges. 😉
The biggest issue is Jeep pricing out their customers. You see it in the wrangler and Grand Cherokee specifically. They tried to compete with luxury brands when the customer has always been the crowd that wants practicality and the rugged/utilitarian feel of the Jeep brand. Bring back the cheaper Jeep with less electronics and sales will increase.
Traded in my 4xe for a 4Runner the fire recall did it for me
I am almost 70 and have owned a Jeep,of some kind my whole life. However my current Jeep is a 2009 jk rubicon with a lifetime warranty and I don’t see a reason to buy a new one.
Spot on. I’ve owned every generation of open-top Jeep but I sold my TJ in 2010 and owned Mazdas for a decade until the JK was put to bed. I just never liked that model’s look and I hated the unnecessary branding on the grill. I ordered a JL Rubicon in 2019 because I couldn’t find one at a dealership to test drive for more than a year. This Jeep seemed like it should’ve been the successor of the TJ. Love this Jeep and my wife’s 2021 JLU. I’m going to hang onto these for a while. Hopefully we won’t need to take another decade break from the brand after the JL!
The only point that wasn’t mentioned was interest rates and the economy. I think that these are part of the stale Jeep inventory. I think a Jeep lending program with good interest rates, sale pricing or rebates could thin the herd.