Nerf MOTW Fortitude, intellect buff and Chaos Brand by 50% while in 5 man content. Then nerf Aug to be 50% less effective on tank and healer. Thats a good start.
Yea, but in every single season in the history of M+ druid was meta healer beacuse "pop some hots, go cat, and DPS"...and if anything can outdps a healer who isn't healing, and even if he wanted can't heal cuz he litteraly is in DPS form, then there is something extreamly wrong with the game
@fonstv6199 I played a lot of S2 DF, and Resto Druids were legit considered the worst healer back then lol. Idk what people are talking about them being the meta healer all the time
Agree 100% What about "bring the player not the class" and they bring aug evoker with exclusive buff,mechanics... Its unveliable how blizz developers make new problems or repeat it constantly
@@Ducckiee1355 Just bring back full strength scrolls and give us a combined scroll that just gives every buff for M+. If they dont want scroll back for raid just disable them there. I hate catching L's in M+ because of raid balance.
@@Ducckiee1355 it would but it would make the maintainance of m+ consumables even more annoying than it already is. In the end having no buffs is the same result as having all buffs without the additional work. And it would make balancing the dungeons easier to. If they allow scrolls they need to balance every encounter around having all of them. This makes pugs either much harder or much more annoying due to buff management. Also the biggest problem with the current raidbuff situation is how they basically buff each other. Mage buffs Evoker that buffs mage (even more with AI), that get buffed by MotW that then get multiplied with DH buff. It’s called exodia for a reason. Now you either use a specc that benefits from all those buffs the most or increases it even further (PI, shaman buff, or just raw dmg from warlock) This meta is even more insidious then previous metas with very strong speccs (survival hunter, demo in SL). It is so good because all the pieces work together in synergy (and better if well coordinated). Mix a mage with a warrior and a rogue and it’s just a good (or bad) specc, which then boils down to tuning. Mix an Aug with dps who can’t utilize the buffs well and it’s not a great specc. Play a full caster comp without a DH and you loose a ton of value. Have a bad player on any of the dps roles and it all falls apart. Its one thing having a singular overpowered specc that’s considered meta, because it doesn’t force you into a certain 5 player comp. Removing the raidbuffs takes a lot of the synergy out of this „exodia“ allowing for more specc diversity in creating m+ groups even those who want to min-max.
@@Ducckiee1355 rather not have to spend all that gold, maybe it would be better with shared AH but it was impossible to afford them on low pop realms lol
if there is mage that gives 5% intellect to the party, why don't we have a class that gives 5% agility and a class that gives 5% strength? (intellect would still win since it would still be the only class that buffs healers)
The problem is all classes scale differently from even their primary stats. The best case would be to nerf them all in mythic plus. After all we call them "raid" buffs.
Yeah it’s pretty hard to not combine the buffs all together… VDH gives the caster dps 5% more dps Mage brings Rogue utility(CCs, mass invis, strong defensive kit to not die) and more (mass barrier, 5% more damage for the other caster, increases aug effectiveness and the healers heals. Resto Druid brings good CC and a 3% damage increase for the group and 1.5% damage reduction for the group. Aug brings huge defensive ability(zephyr, blistering scales, black attunement(4% more hp) and makes the tank stronger and DPS do more damage, and the healer more healing and damage and even gives the healer mana… oh and slightly increases the movement speed of everyone in the group too boot. The other dps, this time destro warlock, is probably just being brought to melt anything in the groups way. But it also doesn’t help that warlocks bring a mini health potion for everyone and an AoE stun and the ability to skip or do weird things with the gates. I say they’d need to nerf Aug to no longer buff healer and tank and remove VDHs damage increase for casters to even have a chance at getting rid of these god comps
Blizz: We gonna keep Rain of Fire totally target uncapped, what could possibly go wrong? 😜😜 Poor Warlocks: But what about ST damage? 😢😢 Blizz: Don't you worry, Chaos Bolt is the single best ST hitting ability in the entire game and to make it even better, use it with Havoc in two mobs/boss situation and bingo! 😈😈
And thats why no warlock press CB at all? :D The way hero talents work now you just spend shards as fast as you can to summon those demons. So u spam RoF even in single target scenario.. Its degenrativee and it wont stick around for long.
@@knifeuu777 anyone who want to push will have an easier time with the meta. It'll take a single pushweek (which is now potentially every week) to outdo your non-meta score.
@@knifeuu777 No unfortunately but for different reasons. For top 0.1 meta applies from pure math perspective. For rest of regular average players meta applies on community level. Key holders are so chronically meta slaving they will never settle for anything less than meta comps. People would rather spend 30 minutes to make a group and run the dungeon 4 minutes faster.
@@Skocik911 As Arthas father said. . . . “No king rules forever” and tbh VDH being king is too worn out for me, love it’s utility it’s play style, it’s class design as a whole but I just cannot enjoy another season of the purple Class . . . And especially when it’s damage is ass in aoe to single target but I’m brought cause I’m a buff for my team and that’s 99% the reason I’m brought in future content. Nope nah I’m good I’d rather just not play tank if class buffs are gonna be this much of an issue. Blizzard please do justice for us and ether bring full fledge scrolls back or get rid of our buffs in m+ cause your killling the community’s with this silly shit imo.
Except you do, if the buffs were only 1% you would end up with raids stacking 7 or 8 players of the same class in raids because a 1% buff wouldn't justify not stacking the raid with the best dps class.
To the people freaking out: 1. This is only a +13 2. Destro Lock is completely busted in m+ on beta rn to the point that they can RoF on ST from how strong it is 3. Aug Evoker is nearly 2m behind the Lock on overall Because of the key level, Aug Evoker is not actually helping them clear any survivability checks and there is no evidence that it does damage equal to that of a 3rd DPS based on current beta logs. While Aug may still be S+, nothing shown in this video really tests whether Aug holds up at higher key levels, Aug could be F- tier and it would be invisible, running a Destro Lock and clearing a 13 might lead one to believe that the Aug was crucial to the group's success but it could be easily the opposite case where the Aug sucks and is being hard carried. Farming 13s isn't evidence either way and people ought to chill out. Aug received some LARGE nerfs on beta, it also lost SPriest from the m+ comp which means it loses its biggest DPS Scaler (most people don't know that on live Spriest gets twice as much damage from Aug as the Mage), it loses PI Synergy and it also loses the throughput it adds to the group via Vamp Embrace and Leech Sources (being nerfed). Offensively, Aug also loses 2 minute CD synergy so breath of Aeons will have lower value even without being nerfed. Aug is substantially weaker on Beta but doing keys 10 levels lower than the Live push level means that beta testing won't really reveal whether Aug is needed or not. We will have to wait and see for TWW to release, but I'd put good money on Aug not being in the new meta comp, its log damage in groups not running Destro lock make it look pretty fuckin bad offensively, and it suddenly isn't helping all that much with heal checks either, it looks even worse if you run with a Guardian Druid because Blistering Scales is a literally meaningless buff on a druid with 3+ stacks of ironfur.
@@nickolasroper3237 also don’t be dumb pls if you are ultra casual than it’s your game. I don’t tell you how to play the game. The moment you said „no one forced you“ you literally ended up as mega casual because you either pick vdh for high end content and play the game or you just decided to suffer. The diff in tanking between vdh and the second best in df was day in night.
I've learned to not care about this anymore. It's too stressful and mentally exhausting chasing the meta and FOTM re-rolling constantly. Just play what is fun to you to the BEST of your abilities and it will be WAY more satisfying than re-rolling and chasing meta with everyone else. Likelihood is that you're not doing R1 or R2 keys anyway.
@@TonyTheTerribles3 and s4 they had an extremely OP talent in ‘’illuminated sigils’’ which gave ALL sigils 2 charges, so chains/fear/silence/flame AND elysian + ofc the buff to magic dmg it brings and other utility. They removed the 2 charges from the utility sigils now, but they still the highest dmg+utility+biff to magic dmg
@@TonyTheTerrible They had a rework in S3 that turned them into insane CC bots compared to every other tank. Sigil of Silence specifically having 2 charges in dungeons full of mobs that cast entirely too much made them just stupid broken alongside their damage and self sustain.
Ngl vdh has to have the lowest dmg off all tanks by far if they bring that much shit to the group, with aug i dont see a near future were vdh isnt a meta tank
Maybe make melees meta for fking once and the god comp will break because you dont need chaos brand and int buff for a fury warrior, feral druid or w/e. Bet blizzard didnt think about a case where they actually make melees good did they??
Seriously though, what do you expect from ppl pushing infinite scaling content. Unless a melee dps does a shit ton of damage that makes up for possible loss of uptime on mechanics or has crazy utility, it's never going to be meta. It's just normal human behavior to play whatever else that just contributes more to your goal (pushing another key level). And redesignig dungeons to favor melees is not what is going to happen any time soon. That being said, nobody is keeping you from playing a melee on a reasonable level, it's basically a 0.1% ppl problem.
@@nickandreyev766 its literally only tuning. design of dungeons doesnt matter and melee have been meta before when tuned properly. ofc they are not now when blizzard only buffs mage to the moon every patch. also im in the 0.1% so its my problem ye
@@icswack6015 well first of all, melees were played a lot throughout df, it's not like nobody is playing melee and they are totally ruined. Secondly, at least the new tww dungeons look extremely melee unfriendly, too much stuff is going on, that is what I mean when referring to dungeon design. Unless a melee spec is overturned to compensate for uptime loss due to 15 different mechanics, it will be outperformed by a ranged spec that is basically afk pressing buttons all the time. But most importantly, why all this whining about melee if you are 0.1%? At this point you are expected to play what's meta anyways, whether it is melee or not, unless you are one of those people who are playing their warrior for 15 years and refuse to do anything else other than charge release spirit, which I find to be even more obnoxious than fotm rerolling.
@@nickandreyev766 The fact that I reroll to meta so I can play keys doesnt mean I dont have prefered classes to play. I will reroll to sp or whatever becomes meta but I like playing melee so this is where the whining comes from.
It is but especially aug will almost always stay in the meta until it legitimately does nothing or they remove the ability to buff tanks and healers. The healing and tank nerfs made aug more important. Some tanks can't even live without an aug. Druid has a good chance of still being meta too since it was just their single target dps being nerfed but they still do way more boss damage then any other healer
People really be acting like in the current state even if VDH ended up being the pick in pro play that it is the exact same situation as last season. In the current state we have literally at least 3 out o 6 tanks able to push for title, this hasn't been the case in a long time. VDH's spot is also heavily influenced by the imbalance between casters and melee.
@@tbone8644 currently the major outlier there is warlock for sure. However it's been discussed many times and they're being nerfed and will be nerfed more. All raid buffs need to be removed in m+ to prevent the insane scaling casters get their hands on and Vdh is part of the problem.
Blizzard also has zero years of experience with balancing support specs and then only includes one support spec making it an all or nothing situation with aug
@@FoliumSakura One Solution would have been Not creating a support class who also buffs tanks and healers. I dont need 20 years of experience to know, that aug will always be either meta or it will be way below the average.
@@JustAnotherGuy1991 smooth brain is smooth its okay, You're a serial whiner we are certain of that. You don't play at a high enough level to need an Aug so just stop.
wondering if this might be the first expension without any hype before it? dungeons seem meh, classes seem meh, systems seem meh, everything turns into overcomplicated bullshit no one asked for. well maybe the 1% of the 1% will have fun, and the rest just stops playing 3 weeks in, lets see.
Everyone except 0.1% will stop playing keys once they clear 11s, which is probably like 1 month in. 12s and beyond look like a boring slog. Not to mention anyone not mythic raiding can't get gear to do decent level keys anyway. No way we're waiting around 10+ weeks to gear out from the vault 1 item/week. Dungeons actually look fine. I think if you just transplant the DF S3 system into TWW S1, it'd be a good season. Hero talents are hit and miss.
I feel like objectively SPriest is better than Lock in a caster comp. I don't think healthstone, shadowfury, gateway is better than Fort, MD, VE, Soothe, PI, dispel magic, their damage profile and off-heal. Priest would have to be very undertuned in terms of raw numbers for me to take warlock unless I'm really missing something there.
@@perkulant4629 are you referring to beta? I haven't played the beta at all I'm assuming that's mostly tuning related? Not much has changed in their overall kit and they are currently meta on live.
@@enzoshink7597 mists of tirne, halls of atonement, and Spires of ascension were awesome. Yeah the shadowlands dungeons were lowkey pretty fire except for sanguine depths
Good, VDH is the most fun tank. Shame to make it unplayable. For the whiners complaining about it, doesn't mean that he is the best tank. But because the meta will be caster meta, a VDH is a must. As simple as that. A huge % of playerbase wont even reach the ratings required to have ''meta'' classes, so gather ur tears, drink them and enjoy the game
No? It isn't a fun tank. If by fun you mean simple then guardian is, if complicated and hard to master then paladin is, with a history and geniune then warrior, unique and innovative then dk... Also your statement about meta bothering 1% of top players, wrong again. You toxic people are the main downgrade to any game and community.
@@tinyshaman3050 u call me toxic when ur message is full of toxicity. Who did you wrong buddy? Let's break it down for you. shall we? I personally find VDH extremely fun. Sigils, jumping around, mobile character, is something fun for me rather than tank and spank. What's fun is different for each person. You cant tell me what's fun and I can't tell you what is fun. MY comment states MY personal opinion, and your reply as ''NO? ITS NOT A FUN TANK'' is the beginning of a toxic behaviour since u challenge MY opinion about fun. Now about the meta bothering 1% of top players. I never said that. The FACT IS that the meta is defined by the top players. When that 1% find the min-max and which class fills-in for the optimal slots for each role, then they create what we call meta. It happens to all games, any title, any genre, you name it. And yes, because they are the ones who do all the min-max work, then the rest of community tends to follow in order to have easier time. Do I agree with that? no. I always play what I believe is fun for me, and I pay the price by getting rejected for 1h on LFG cause my class is not meta unless I create my own groups. For future reference, before u rush to reply, take a deep breath. Let ur toxicity go. If u did that few minutes ago, u would understand that what I said is : That the majority of the playerbase who is not at that 1% of the top, can play ANYTHING they enjoy the most and still do the content they enjoy. You can play whatever tank u want and still do high keys. Meta is just making ur life a tad easier, and it doesn't mean that the rest of the characters cant do it. When a VDH in DF could CC a whole pack of mobs alone, it would make ur life in the dungeon easier rather than fighting ur way through it. That doesn't mean that u cant do a key with the other tanks. End of story, I hope I made it clear enough. Luckily for my wellbeing, I'm not in that 1% of hardcore gamers, I'm not toxic and I enjoy the game with my VDH and my shadowpriest which I love, and I main for years. If it happens to also be a meta class, good for me, I ll get faster invites. Have a good day/night
100% sure that destro will be nerfed again. There is no way Rain of Fire is an intended single target spell. But I am not playing DH again next season, noooooo way José! Not when tanks are so close and I can play tanks like Monk and DK who are actually fun to play. Fuck the meta!
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That resto druid dmg is ridiculous lol
Nerf MOTW Fortitude, intellect buff and Chaos Brand by 50% while in 5 man content.
Then nerf Aug to be 50% less effective on tank and healer.
Thats a good start.
Everyone in here complaining about VDH when Rdruid has been the meta healer in all but 3 seasons of Mplus in history
Yea, but in every single season in the history of M+ druid was meta healer beacuse "pop some hots, go cat, and DPS"...and if anything can outdps a healer who isn't healing, and even if he wanted can't heal cuz he litteraly is in DPS form, then there is something extreamly wrong with the game
But the majority of players don't care about healers.
No one thinks or cares about healers
What? Rdruid was bad in all of slands, thats at least 4 seasons. Wasnt meta s2 df either, not to mention legion. Very bad take
@fonstv6199 I played a lot of S2 DF, and Resto Druids were legit considered the worst healer back then lol. Idk what people are talking about them being the meta healer all the time
Im pretty sure if they don’t remove raidbuffs from m+ this comp will be meta for all eternity.
In bfa there were scrolls that lowered the buffs percentage in m+ and they just got rid of them in shadowlands. Bringing them back would be a start
Agree 100% What about "bring the player not the class" and they bring aug evoker with exclusive buff,mechanics...
Its unveliable how blizz developers make new problems or repeat it constantly
@@Ducckiee1355 Just bring back full strength scrolls and give us a combined scroll that just gives every buff for M+. If they dont want scroll back for raid just disable them there. I hate catching L's in M+ because of raid balance.
@@Ducckiee1355 it would but it would make the maintainance of m+ consumables even more annoying than it already is. In the end having no buffs is the same result as having all buffs without the additional work. And it would make balancing the dungeons easier to. If they allow scrolls they need to balance every encounter around having all of them. This makes pugs either much harder or much more annoying due to buff management.
Also the biggest problem with the current raidbuff situation is how they basically buff each other. Mage buffs Evoker that buffs mage (even more with AI), that get buffed by MotW that then get multiplied with DH buff. It’s called exodia for a reason. Now you either use a specc that benefits from all those buffs the most or increases it even further (PI, shaman buff, or just raw dmg from warlock)
This meta is even more insidious then previous metas with very strong speccs (survival hunter, demo in SL). It is so good because all the pieces work together in synergy (and better if well coordinated). Mix a mage with a warrior and a rogue and it’s just a good (or bad) specc, which then boils down to tuning. Mix an Aug with dps who can’t utilize the buffs well and it’s not a great specc. Play a full caster comp without a DH and you loose a ton of value. Have a bad player on any of the dps roles and it all falls apart.
Its one thing having a singular overpowered specc that’s considered meta, because it doesn’t force you into a certain 5 player comp. Removing the raidbuffs takes a lot of the synergy out of this „exodia“ allowing for more specc diversity in creating m+ groups even those who want to min-max.
@@Ducckiee1355 rather not have to spend all that gold, maybe it would be better with shared AH but it was impossible to afford them on low pop realms lol
They really have to do something about those debuffs in m+
if there is mage that gives 5% intellect to the party, why don't we have a class that gives 5% agility and a class that gives 5% strength?
(intellect would still win since it would still be the only class that buffs healers)
Someone forgot that warrior exists.
@@SarmonOflynn Thats attack power not strength
@@SarmonOflynn someone apparently doesn't even know what warrior actually does
reading tooltips never hurts
Maybe changing these types of buff to 5% primary stat
The problem is all classes scale differently from even their primary stats. The best case would be to nerf them all in mythic plus. After all we call them "raid" buffs.
awwww sh***, here we go agaaaaiiiin
Yeah it’s pretty hard to not combine the buffs all together…
VDH gives the caster dps 5% more dps
Mage brings Rogue utility(CCs, mass invis, strong defensive kit to not die) and more (mass barrier, 5% more damage for the other caster, increases aug effectiveness and the healers heals.
Resto Druid brings good CC and a 3% damage increase for the group and 1.5% damage reduction for the group.
Aug brings huge defensive ability(zephyr, blistering scales, black attunement(4% more hp) and makes the tank stronger and DPS do more damage, and the healer more healing and damage and even gives the healer mana… oh and slightly increases the movement speed of everyone in the group too boot.
The other dps, this time destro warlock, is probably just being brought to melt anything in the groups way.
But it also doesn’t help that warlocks bring a mini health potion for everyone and an AoE stun and the ability to skip or do weird things with the gates.
I say they’d need to nerf Aug to no longer buff healer and tank and remove VDHs damage increase for casters to even have a chance at getting rid of these god comps
blizz should just delete other classes at this point 🤣 wtf is this
Blizz: We gonna keep Rain of Fire totally target uncapped, what could possibly go wrong? 😜😜
Poor Warlocks: But what about ST damage? 😢😢
Blizz: Don't you worry, Chaos Bolt is the single best ST hitting ability in the entire game and to make it even better, use it with Havoc in two mobs/boss situation and bingo! 😈😈
And thats why no warlock press CB at all? :D The way hero talents work now you just spend shards as fast as you can to summon those demons. So u spam RoF even in single target scenario.. Its degenrativee and it wont stick around for long.
Rain of Fire is no longer uncapped. And they still press it in ST just because it's tuned strong.
So the new TWW meta... is the old DF meta, except that the VDH and Spriest went to the laundry together, so the white dude is tainted purple?
Meta literally only applies to the top 0.1% anyways.
@@knifeuu777 no.
@vincenthamel3420 yes. Stop coping.
@@knifeuu777 anyone who want to push will have an easier time with the meta. It'll take a single pushweek (which is now potentially every week) to outdo your non-meta score.
@@knifeuu777 No unfortunately but for different reasons. For top 0.1 meta applies from pure math perspective. For rest of regular average players meta applies on community level. Key holders are so chronically meta slaving they will never settle for anything less than meta comps.
People would rather spend 30 minutes to make a group and run the dungeon 4 minutes faster.
This man is saying everything he can to get dh nerfed
good, blizzard doesnt really seem to have a clue what they're doing anymore.
Oh no xD I'm devastated xD
@@Skocik911 As Arthas father said. . . . “No king rules forever” and tbh VDH being king is too worn out for me, love it’s utility it’s play style, it’s class design as a whole but I just cannot enjoy another season of the purple
Class . . . And especially when it’s damage is ass in aoe to single target but I’m brought cause I’m a buff for my team and that’s 99% the reason I’m brought in future content. Nope nah I’m good I’d rather just not play tank if class buffs are gonna be this much of an issue. Blizzard please do justice for us and ether bring full fledge scrolls back or get rid of our buffs in m+ cause your killling the community’s with this silly shit imo.
Starting the expac with old m+ trash instances we hate is so nice. Gigahyped!
They need to nerf the Raid buffs down to 1% like the Hunter raid buff. You dont need 5% buffs to guarantee a raid spot.
Except you do, if the buffs were only 1% you would end up with raids stacking 7 or 8 players of the same class in raids because a 1% buff wouldn't justify not stacking the raid with the best dps class.
My friend, raid slots are literally built around raid buffs first and foremost, and the few remaining spots are what's left to flex with whatever
Fuck man not VDH again, I guess 2 seasons in a row is not enough.....
To the people freaking out:
1. This is only a +13
2. Destro Lock is completely busted in m+ on beta rn to the point that they can RoF on ST from how strong it is
3. Aug Evoker is nearly 2m behind the Lock on overall
Because of the key level, Aug Evoker is not actually helping them clear any survivability checks and there is no evidence that it does damage equal to that of a 3rd DPS based on current beta logs. While Aug may still be S+, nothing shown in this video really tests whether Aug holds up at higher key levels, Aug could be F- tier and it would be invisible, running a Destro Lock and clearing a 13 might lead one to believe that the Aug was crucial to the group's success but it could be easily the opposite case where the Aug sucks and is being hard carried. Farming 13s isn't evidence either way and people ought to chill out.
Aug received some LARGE nerfs on beta, it also lost SPriest from the m+ comp which means it loses its biggest DPS Scaler (most people don't know that on live Spriest gets twice as much damage from Aug as the Mage), it loses PI Synergy and it also loses the throughput it adds to the group via Vamp Embrace and Leech Sources (being nerfed). Offensively, Aug also loses 2 minute CD synergy so breath of Aeons will have lower value even without being nerfed. Aug is substantially weaker on Beta but doing keys 10 levels lower than the Live push level means that beta testing won't really reveal whether Aug is needed or not. We will have to wait and see for TWW to release, but I'd put good money on Aug not being in the new meta comp, its log damage in groups not running Destro lock make it look pretty fuckin bad offensively, and it suddenly isn't helping all that much with heal checks either, it looks even worse if you run with a Guardian Druid because Blistering Scales is a literally meaningless buff on a druid with 3+ stacks of ironfur.
Imagine how strong bdk would be with a 2h wep pepela
Man i‘m sick of VDH because i mained it for several seasons and i was forced to play it in high keys. Enough is enough.
We need to start standing up for our rights instead of letting the government step all over us
Forced? No one forced you to play. You chose too. Choose something else.
@@nickolasroper3237 also don’t be dumb pls if you are ultra casual than it’s your game. I don’t tell you how to play the game. The moment you said „no one forced you“ you literally ended up as mega casual because you either pick vdh for high end content and play the game or you just decided to suffer. The diff in tanking between vdh and the second best in df was day in night.
@@nickolasroper3237bro cope that someone will accept you in their keys if you are non vdh lmao gl waiting 3+ hours in queue with prot pally
Love your content Dorki!
Try this with every tank, see how they compare
Just wait till Dorki plays with a good Surv hunter
Why would he care? Then you need to fit a monk in to the comp.
@@reviewthereviewer7034 Not true, they'd mostly benefit in AoE from a DH's magic buff for bombs.
Wait till they see frost dk too
HOPEFUL! Is that BiS S1 gear? Dorki after listening to your voice on tons of pods this is my time watching you play. Awesome stuff!
it's 613 which is base 1/6 hero track gear
So sick of VDH being the only tank. Wish warrior or brewmaster could be meta for once. Hopefully we get a warrior rework in TWW
It's only because mage and warlock are so good. IF melee classes were better then it wouldnt be VDH
Do you do m+ in the top 1% bracket where playing meta actually matter?
Us mole people need all the help we can get for our weekly keys
daamn, why is tettles doing the same dmg as you at the start
wasn't destro just nerfed again?
@dorki how can I have your UI?
Before or after RDruid damage nerfs and Aug nerfs?
If there is a god comp as strong as in df then tww will flop harder than wod
Flop for you sure. As the rest of your life clearly does because you're afraid of a meta in a video game.
I've learned to not care about this anymore. It's too stressful and mentally exhausting chasing the meta and FOTM re-rolling constantly. Just play what is fun to you to the BEST of your abilities and it will be WAY more satisfying than re-rolling and chasing meta with everyone else. Likelihood is that you're not doing R1 or R2 keys anyway.
I think they should change Aug to a tank role
there always should have been a dracthyr tank role, like those big chunky dragon humanoids who used to spin their swords. you see them updated in DF
or just delete the cancer.
if we get a 3 season in a row of vdh im gonna lose it
Frost DK hype!
I'm pretty sure warlocks are going to get nerfed. They are middle of nerfing them right now and it wasn't heavy enough
Having a "god comp" will eventually kill mythic plus
I’ve mained DH since Legion and even IM sick of it being the meta tank good lord.
when i quit in S1 DF no one wanted DH tanks, what makes them good now?
@@TonyTheTerribles3 and s4 they had an extremely OP talent in ‘’illuminated sigils’’ which gave ALL sigils 2 charges, so chains/fear/silence/flame AND elysian + ofc the buff to magic dmg it brings and other utility. They removed the 2 charges from the utility sigils now, but they still the highest dmg+utility+biff to magic dmg
@@TonyTheTerrible They had a rework in S3 that turned them into insane CC bots compared to every other tank. Sigil of Silence specifically having 2 charges in dungeons full of mobs that cast entirely too much made them just stupid broken alongside their damage and self sustain.
Is there anyone playing ret paladins on beta?
Ngl vdh has to have the lowest dmg off all tanks by far if they bring that much shit to the group, with aug i dont see a near future were vdh isnt a meta tank
Is ir known how to reliably skip the mistcaller phase?
Oh wow and a turn of events no one saw comming, VDH is the meta tank for another xpac🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
we should just take every fun piece of content away from mythic plusers its not like they are majority of the people who play the game.
They must disable raid buffs in m+ this is boring and stale
DH is getting nerfed to the ground after this.
Isnt this only because they accidently buffed an ability on vengeance on beta by like 600%? (This is a random number pulled out of my ass)
People being sick of VDH after 2 seasons and not caster meta after years is wild.
Maybe make melees meta for fking once and the god comp will break because you dont need chaos brand and int buff for a fury warrior, feral druid or w/e. Bet blizzard didnt think about a case where they actually make melees good did they??
Sorry but nobody cares about your Ichargeandrelease warrior. Go level up a real class instead of bitching about it.
Seriously though, what do you expect from ppl pushing infinite scaling content. Unless a melee dps does a shit ton of damage that makes up for possible loss of uptime on mechanics or has crazy utility, it's never going to be meta. It's just normal human behavior to play whatever else that just contributes more to your goal (pushing another key level). And redesignig dungeons to favor melees is not what is going to happen any time soon.
That being said, nobody is keeping you from playing a melee on a reasonable level, it's basically a 0.1% ppl problem.
@@nickandreyev766 its literally only tuning. design of dungeons doesnt matter and melee have been meta before when tuned properly. ofc they are not now when blizzard only buffs mage to the moon every patch. also im in the 0.1% so its my problem ye
@@icswack6015 well first of all, melees were played a lot throughout df, it's not like nobody is playing melee and they are totally ruined.
Secondly, at least the new tww dungeons look extremely melee unfriendly, too much stuff is going on, that is what I mean when referring to dungeon design. Unless a melee spec is overturned to compensate for uptime loss due to 15 different mechanics, it will be outperformed by a ranged spec that is basically afk pressing buttons all the time.
But most importantly, why all this whining about melee if you are 0.1%? At this point you are expected to play what's meta anyways, whether it is melee or not, unless you are one of those people who are playing their warrior for 15 years and refuse to do anything else other than charge release spirit, which I find to be even more obnoxious than fotm rerolling.
@@nickandreyev766 The fact that I reroll to meta so I can play keys doesnt mean I dont have prefered classes to play. I will reroll to sp or whatever becomes meta but I like playing melee so this is where the whining comes from.
here we go again. i’m really bored to play vdh but if it will end up as sl s1 for tanks i‘ll just drop wow till next exp
Does the mage have a youtube/twitch channel?
www.twitch.tv/hopefulx
@@Oathsxo Thanks!
Is this healer channel?
Hey Dorki, what talent build are you using for VDH?
He shows it very briefly on start of the dungeon
@@Vikttorc Ah thanks! I was just listening for the first few minutes.
This has to be pre rdruid and Aug nerfs, right?
It is but especially aug will almost always stay in the meta until it legitimately does nothing or they remove the ability to buff tanks and healers. The healing and tank nerfs made aug more important. Some tanks can't even live without an aug. Druid has a good chance of still being meta too since it was just their single target dps being nerfed but they still do way more boss damage then any other healer
nope this is latest build
@@Wizardscissors183it isn't* maybe make sure you know what you're talking about before talking.
this is not a tier list Madge
There's still plenty of time to get nerfed :D
Love some % on % action...
We need a new comp because I don't want to play any of those.
Nerf VDH plz
I’ve been watching rogue damage and it seems insane too. Which means brewmaster or mistweaver as a accompanying class
Rdruid doing 1.1M on Indra is fucking wild LOL
Delete that stupid Aug garbage from the game. Worst thing they ever made.
That resto druid is what i dream to become !! Well played my boy !
People really be acting like in the current state even if VDH ended up being the pick in pro play that it is the exact same situation as last season. In the current state we have literally at least 3 out o 6 tanks able to push for title, this hasn't been the case in a long time. VDH's spot is also heavily influenced by the imbalance between casters and melee.
"VDH is back" bro it never left! 🤣
yo why are you putting vdh on blast? Blizzard is gonna see this and nerf them
And? You're afraid of a balanced game?
@@LyndonGrimm Sure if they also nerf mage, aug, and lock. And nerf Shadow again just to make sure
@@LyndonGrimm lmao balanced game 😂 what game are you playing? Cause it clearly ain’t WoW
@@tbone8644 currently the major outlier there is warlock for sure. However it's been discussed many times and they're being nerfed and will be nerfed more.
All raid buffs need to be removed in m+ to prevent the insane scaling casters get their hands on and Vdh is part of the problem.
You would think After over 20 years of experience Blizzard would have at least some idea how to Balance this game :D
Blizzard also has zero years of experience with balancing support specs and then only includes one support spec making it an all or nothing situation with aug
@@FoliumSakura One Solution would have been Not creating a support class who also buffs tanks and healers. I dont need 20 years of experience to know, that aug will always be either meta or it will be way below the average.
@@sipi725 Aug would have been easier to balance if it was a tank support spec similar to paladin instead of a dps.
What experience?people in balancing team getting replaced often😂thats why we see same balancing mistakes over and over
Vengeance stocks going back up, but I still like my bear. Thumbs up!
Can we actually just delete augmentation already, or remove raid buffs from keys lol, I don't wanna deal with another season of this shit
I hate these kinda videos as a Tank player who just wants to play brewmaster now i have to argue with my party again feels bad man
1 thing will fix the game. delete aug.
Lets go !!! I told you guys vdh gonna become meta once again!!
not playing m+ next expansion.
Cya next month
You will be here next month
Let's hope you don't play. Less bads means better time for the rest of us.
@@LyndonGrimm ohh by all means enjoy the same meta for the 3rd season, must be fun playing aug.
@@JustAnotherGuy1991 smooth brain is smooth its okay, You're a serial whiner we are certain of that. You don't play at a high enough level to need an Aug so just stop.
hi :)
wondering if this might be the first expension without any hype before it? dungeons seem meh, classes seem meh, systems seem meh, everything turns into overcomplicated bullshit no one asked for. well maybe the 1% of the 1% will have fun, and the rest just stops playing 3 weeks in, lets see.
I’m really feelin that too. They’ve just made some of the strangest decisions that are so anti fun
Even the top 0.1% don’t want this. Nothing is balanced and after the tank nerf aug is once again god comp
It feels we are getting not another expansion rather a new patch for DF.
Everyone except 0.1% will stop playing keys once they clear 11s, which is probably like 1 month in. 12s and beyond look like a boring slog.
Not to mention anyone not mythic raiding can't get gear to do decent level keys anyway. No way we're waiting around 10+ weeks to gear out from the vault 1 item/week.
Dungeons actually look fine. I think if you just transplant the DF S3 system into TWW S1, it'd be a good season.
Hero talents are hit and miss.
Yall are just a bunch of bads
I feel like objectively SPriest is better than Lock in a caster comp. I don't think healthstone, shadowfury, gateway is better than Fort, MD, VE, Soothe, PI, dispel magic, their damage profile and off-heal. Priest would have to be very undertuned in terms of raw numbers for me to take warlock unless I'm really missing something there.
shadow priest isn't very good atm from what i've played.
Utility is a tiebreaker if the numbers are close. The numbers for lock vs shadow are not close
@@perkulant4629 are you referring to beta? I haven't played the beta at all I'm assuming that's mostly tuning related? Not much has changed in their overall kit and they are currently meta on live.
@@tobagabonany yeah for sure
Shadow single target is so ass right now that the utility doesnt matter
Yeah this xpac is going to be dog shit. 3 and a half weeks and they cant tune their shit correctly.
Use m+ as a reason to put a fresh coat on old dungeons? ❌
Use m+ to regurgitate content from the xpack that put wow on its death bed? ✅
say what you want about SL but the Dungeons were awesome like 100000x better than Df
@@enzoshink7597 mists of tirne, halls of atonement, and Spires of ascension were awesome. Yeah the shadowlands dungeons were lowkey pretty fire except for sanguine depths
Good, VDH is the most fun tank. Shame to make it unplayable. For the whiners complaining about it, doesn't mean that he is the best tank. But because the meta will be caster meta, a VDH is a must. As simple as that. A huge % of playerbase wont even reach the ratings required to have ''meta'' classes, so gather ur tears, drink them and enjoy the game
Every Season is range meta so what? :D
No? It isn't a fun tank. If by fun you mean simple then guardian is, if complicated and hard to master then paladin is, with a history and geniune then warrior, unique and innovative then dk... Also your statement about meta bothering 1% of top players, wrong again. You toxic people are the main downgrade to any game and community.
@@olschriff2921 and yet people complain why VDH is the ''best'' tank?
@@tinyshaman3050 u call me toxic when ur message is full of toxicity. Who did you wrong buddy? Let's break it down for you. shall we?
I personally find VDH extremely fun. Sigils, jumping around, mobile character, is something fun for me rather than tank and spank. What's fun is different for each person. You cant tell me what's fun and I can't tell you what is fun. MY comment states MY personal opinion, and your reply as ''NO? ITS NOT A FUN TANK'' is the beginning of a toxic behaviour since u challenge MY opinion about fun.
Now about the meta bothering 1% of top players. I never said that.
The FACT IS that the meta is defined by the top players. When that 1% find the min-max and which class fills-in for the optimal slots for each role, then they create what we call meta.
It happens to all games, any title, any genre, you name it.
And yes, because they are the ones who do all the min-max work, then the rest of community tends to follow in order to have easier time. Do I agree with that? no. I always play what I believe is fun for me, and I pay the price by getting rejected for 1h on LFG cause my class is not meta unless I create my own groups.
For future reference, before u rush to reply, take a deep breath. Let ur toxicity go. If u did that few minutes ago, u would understand that what I said is : That the majority of the playerbase who is not at that 1% of the top, can play ANYTHING they enjoy the most and still do the content they enjoy. You can play whatever tank u want and still do high keys.
Meta is just making ur life a tad easier, and it doesn't mean that the rest of the characters cant do it. When a VDH in DF could CC a whole pack of mobs alone, it would make ur life in the dungeon easier rather than fighting ur way through it. That doesn't mean that u cant do a key with the other tanks. End of story, I hope I made it clear enough.
Luckily for my wellbeing, I'm not in that 1% of hardcore gamers, I'm not toxic and I enjoy the game with my VDH and my shadowpriest which I love, and I main for years. If it happens to also be a meta class, good for me, I ll get faster invites.
Have a good day/night
Stone Vault looks giga cringe, what is this
100% sure that destro will be nerfed again. There is no way Rain of Fire is an intended single target spell. But I am not playing DH again next season, noooooo way José! Not when tanks are so close and I can play tanks like Monk and DK who are actually fun to play. Fuck the meta!
I hope Blizzard is watching and nerfs VDH into the ground. Im so tired of playing VDH.
wow destro needs to be toned down wtf
FIRST
Could you stop propagate such titles like "god comp". People are most likely to follow everything YT´s say.
Still, Aug ist the worst since D3 real money auction house.
M+ balance does not matter. Grow some and go kill a raid boss!
Raid balance is relevant until rwf is over so... 3 weeks with heroic week?
M+ is played competitively the entire season.
Take the L and get out.
@@k9tirion927 m+ is not a competitive game mode.
@@bobbythememego stand in the corner and don’t come out until I say
@@bobbythememe And why isnt m+ a competetive game mode?
@@bobbythememe Very bad try at rage baiting. Try harder