Just so you know the story that the man who hanged himself told Reiner Annie and Bertolt is the same story that Bertolt tells Eren when he asks about what happened when the titans attacked their "village" in season 1 during their training. They even used the image of the titan peeking through the window only with Bertolt instead of the old man who it actually happened to.
In case you didn't get the reference, Kenny was pissed when Annie made up the lie/excuse about him being her dad and knocking up her mom, because the same scenario happened with his sister and giving birth to Levi.
Yep, and that promise he made to his sister not to bang or knock up any Brothel ladies makes a lot of sense given that context. Stuff like this shouldn't have been cut from the OG Manga panels, but... Mappa has its ways it seems. Hope they add more than they cut honestly.
@@thalmoragent9344 supposedly isayama was the one directing this episode and was satisfied with it although they could've added an extra few seconds to 3xplain Annie's significance
It's nice to see the parallel between the warrior trio and EMA. Eren wasn't particularly good at anything like Reiner. But they both had drives and purposes that pushed them forward. That dedication was their strong point. Armin was timid like Bertolt, taking more of a back seat when dangerous situations came about. Both of them didn't like confrontation. Annie is like Mikasa where she doesn't seem to have attachments to anyone. But they both have that one person who causes them to lash out. For Annie, it's her father. For Mikasa it's Eren. Inside of the wall and in Marley, they're all the same. Just people. Fighting on opposite sides of the war.
@@RedFox0909 Dude he literally forgave Reiner, the embodiment of his suffering. He doesn’t hate anyone anymore and holds no ill will towards any enemy nation, including Marley. The only reason he’s destroying the world is because it’s the only way for his people to live without constant oppression and continued warfare. In the pre-timeskip Eren hated the entire world because they took away his freedom, but after seeing all the nuances and circumstances of both sides, all he wants is the end of this cyclical conflict that continually takes away the unalienable rights of his country. He’s not killing out of hate, he’s killing out of self-preservation and for the pursuit of freedom.
I cannot get over how since the dawn of this channel whenever Nahid wants to share his innermost thoughts that hes been cooking up everyone else switches to their brace-for-impact face.
@@SpaceMechanic No, it's because he spouts ridiculous comments from time to time. Comparing Eldians to black people? Like c'mon what drugs are you smoking to say that? lol
@@atmaillumina yeah, I mean, I can understand where he’s trying to come from, and many of the things he said were, by themselves, true (Mansa Musa for example), but trying to fit that into an argument that Eldians are black people is just... no.
I think the best comment I saw that summed up Reiners mindset was this “God.. Reiner growing up with peers thinking he was a loser and becoming the armored titan only because of marcel wanting to protect his brother, now epically failing the mission getting all 3 of his warriors killed or captured, and having to reconsile that the paradis devils he spent his life hating were the only people in his life that looked up to him and respected him... Id have that rifle in my mouth too...”
@@zedkaa8689 That was Zeke... He has yet to inherit the Beast Titan, and we see the boy in this episode has already inherited it by the end; furthermore, same voice actor.
@@hermanubis96 bertholt was sleeping in a position called the hanging man it represents someone punished for treason and someone who feels guilt for what they did which him and Reiner commit and it also parallels with with the man who hunt himself because of the guilt he felt for leaving his children behind
Tbf i watched through the episode 5 times already and it took me until the 3rd watch to realize. Hairstyle eyecolor are typically how you identify the characters, sometimes the voice like with Eren, but Annie hasn't been around for forever so it wasn't really clear who that was. It could have been edited in a little better i think
@@BapiBoozle "Hairstyle eyecolor are typically how you identify the characters" - in normal anime I would agree, but AoT characters have very unique facial features. There is literally no other female character, that looks like Annie.
@@AppleBaron Nah there are a lot of similar looking characters, like Jean and Eren, Erwin's dad and Zeke. The only part of Annie that stands out is her nose there, but her hair looked so long in that scene that i wasn't entirely sure it was her.
I can't believe one of them said she didn't recognize Porco in earlier S4 episodes when his hairstyle is so easily recognizable. I mean he hasn't changed it one bit in 9 years. And in S4E2 after Reiner wakes from his nightmare Porco is eating his sandwich and bitching about being passed over for the armor way back when - he was basically describing what we saw happen in E3.
Nahid be like "Is it crazy that I feel bad for a character you are supposed to feel bad for because we just got a deepdive on how he is the victim of deep-rooted racist indoctrination which caused him to go borderline schizophrenic when he was faced with the reality that opposes said indoctrination and now I am watching him be one muscle twitch away from blowing his brains out as a result of all this"
@@DarthDookieMan Yeah youre right, i mean the transition to eren and armin at the beginning of the episode literally shows that they just are different sides of the same coin.
In the manga they showed things in more detail. Annie wanted to scrap the mission when Marcel died because they needed the Jaw's speed to outrun the mindless titans but since he died she had to take Marcel's role; however her titan doesn't have as much stamina or speed. Hence why she didn't participate in the breaking of Wall Maria, she was too exhausted.
@@bakagakure6435 Same. The whole sequence just looked intense, running away from the mindless titans they were leading to the walls. Annie was at her limit and they almost got eaten too because of how exhausted she was. They were also supposed to take turns between Marcel and Annie, carrying everyone else to the walls.
@@awekeningbro1207 No they cut out part of the flashback to save time. All three of them almost got devoured by mindless titans while trying to reach Wall Maria. Reiner couldn't make it with his titan cause it's too slow and Bert can't stay in titan form for long and has a huge cool down period between transformations, Annie had to make the journey.
@@awekeningbro1207 annie got choked out, but ALL 3 of them participated in the breaking of the wall. her scenes got cut because they were trying to fit everything in one episode. go read the chapters if you want to see what happened. In my opinion, eren's talk with falco was better in the manga.
"Marcel was going to lead? Really? Jaw just jumping over & wreaking havoc I guess?" Lol. They meant he was the leader of their little group, not actually lead the attack.
@@danielmacdonald9287 Yeah. Makes me wonder what Marcel's role would've been. Bertholdt kicked the wall down, Reiner brought down the next wall, & I'm assuming Annie gathered all the mindless titans since she has that ability.
@@Longsen Yup, if I remember correctly, Annie and Marcel was supposed to take turns luring the pure titans to the wall, but since Marcel was gone, Annie had to do all of the running and luring, that's why she was too tired to join the attack on the wall. Sadly it was removed from the anime.
the only connection before saying "my brother" between this episode and the last is Pieck calling him Pock and Reiner calling him Pock, so it's understandable they may have not picked it up from him being called Porco every time, but the appearance should've been the giveaway. Hard to say since it's astounding the amount of people who didn't recognize Reiner from the trailer, so I wouldn't say it's unique to them.
In the manga we had no color so a lot of people had no clue that that was Eren. It took me a while to figure it out without the color but it’s as clear as day in the anime lol
@@youngrootv indeed. I was wondering how they’d handle it in the anime, since it would need a lot more work and changes to keep a similar level of mystery, but I’m glad they kept it like this
What’s weird is I didn’t notice it because his nose it’s pointed more when he’s older which is weird idk it doesn’t look the same as it did in season 3 at least
It wasn't supposed to take that long. They were just going to break down the walls and get the founding titan. They assumed it would take at most a couple months but due to losing Marcel they had to continue the mission jo matter what because they didn't want to he eaten
@@pablox98 sorry, I’ve just seen a bunch of comments like this “hinting” when reactors don’t catch who it is and they have me really tired. I get we’re excited but there’s really no need for them imo
Normies: “and imagine how much damage the warriors did when they infiltrated, without planning or anything? And I bet this time the infiltration from the paradis crew will be heavillllyyy planned out” *HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*
I think they meant it as they joined the military on their own accord, their own plan and that it was not all calculated beforehand with Marley because their whole plan got wiped as soon as Marcel got eaten.
This was a great episode, but sadly they cut out a lot of scenes; specially during the RBA scenes in the walls: -Reiner's mom has more scenes were she kinda manipulates Reiner into becoming a soldier so both of them can be honorable Marleyans -Annie is way more involved in the mission, she screams to attract the titans to the walll before Berthold breaks it and they almost die in the process; it's way more caotic and last minute planned since they don't have Marcel -They removed the scenes that explains their plan to retake the Founder; basically the king of the walls told everyone that he would destroy the world with the Wall Titans if someone attacked him, but that thread was a bluff (the whole vow to abandon war that all the royal family titans have that prevents them to do anything); and Marley goverment knew about that bluff (as Kruger who told Grisha in season 3), RBA were gonna find the king and steal the Founder easily (the king was probably gonna show himself so they could eat him without a fight), but since Grisha stole it first RBA were kinda lost and they spent 2 years infiltrated and finding out about the king puppet and that the true king was in hiding (is during this time that they talk to the men before he hangs himself, in the manga is mentioned that no one else survived from that men's village so RBA lied about being from there to fit in; funnily enough Berthold tells that men's story to Eren waaay back in season 1). After 2 years, RBA decide to join the army so they can infiltrate the military police and find the king to steal the Founder (they think that he is still alive somewhere; and they don't know if the vow of the king is 100% true or not, or if the king will release the wall titans or not; so they decide to keep a low profile). -The Kenny scene is Annie investigating the military police to find the king, and after escaping Kenny RBA decide that they spend enought time infiltrated and that they would destroy the second wall to find out if the king would make a move or not. Overall great episode, but the pacing is justt waay to fast
NO SPOILERS- Just some information and fun facts: Levi isn’t an Asian, he’s German or Caucasian like Eren and Armin, so no, he won’t be recognized or look out of place. Also, Ackermans aren’t Asian... They can be, like Mikasa is. But she isn’t Asian because she’s an Ackerman, she’s Asian because her mom was from the Oriental clan, her father was an Ackerman. Basically, Ackerman’s aren’t recognizable from regular human beings except for their abilities. Just correcting Nahid, because he thought Levi could be recognized. Fun fact: Adding to Marketa’s statement, Hajime Isamaya got the idea of walled cities from his hometown which was a random town surrounded by endless forest. Galliard is Porco and Marcel’s last name. Reiner asks Porco if he saw Marcel’s memory of how he died in episode 2 and Porco calls Marcel “My brother” Also, lastly, the story that the man who killed himself told Reiner, Bertholdt, and Annie, is the same story Bertholdt and Reiner told Eren and Armin when they were talking back in Season 1 Episode 3...
@@generalgrievous3066 Nope, then why wasn’t Kenny Asian? Kuchel Ackerman doesn’t sound Asian at all. Mikasa and her mom are the only known Asians in the anime so far. All the Ackerman’s shown in AOT except for Mikasa, aren’t Asians. Their names sounds more German or French.
Guys, Galliard is Porco and Marcel's last name. It's just the military referring to him by his last name. Porco is the current holder of the Jaws Titan.
@@CountChrisdo To save them, to help them, and to just see them for who they really are was what I got from his emotional breakdown. Ymir answered that plea for help when she went with Reiner and Bert at the end of S2, because she understands what they were going through.
@@lalalalisa41 wow, I just rewatched aot again for like the 5th time and now I understand the concept of that scene even more, it actually makes me feel sorry for them. I love this show 🥺😩
@@layahmae1200 Honestly, the rewatch value for this show is just mindblowing at times lol. Things you didn't understand at first or thought weren't that important is shown in a whole new light! That's what I love about this series 👌
If you didnt know, Isayama (the author) is also in the directing squad of mappa, he says what to cut and what is not cut, if he says what to do with his story he can do what he wants imo :/ everything he does is for a reason. For example the line falco said in the first episode about flying around with swords and a titan, that wasnt in the manga but was added by isayama... excited to see what it builds up to
In my opinion I feel like what the show is trying to portray the most is that it doesn’t matter who you are or what you look like or what you believe in you can always find yourself on one of the sides. Either being the oppressed or the oppressors. It was happening in the paradis society to with the higher ups oppressing the lower class so really no one is immune to it.
@@ryantoscano9739 I also agree. I think the point comes into focus more easily a little further along than where we the anime is now but if I were to summarize the meta narrative point of AoT it would be this: targeting an ethnic group for a collective crime is wrong and only leads to crimes against the innocent. The imagery being reminiscent of WWII era isn't happenstance, it's visually making a connection to the atrocities of the 20th century to help us understand that's the point.
Heads up for what you might have missed during the discussion Reiner Braun is chosen as armoured titan. Porco Galliard is mad because is was supposed to be the next armoured titan. His brother Marcel Galliard says he is sorry while he tries to stop his brother from punching Reiner. After all it's his fault, he's apologizing to Reiner cause of what he did. Later during the mission Reiner tries to cheer them up cause they all were chosen. Marcel feels guilty and tells him the truth. Reiner not understanding why Marcel would apologize for making him the armored titan, a chosen one by Marley, stays static. Until Ymir after 60 years wakes up and tries to eat him. Marcel saves him. After, when Annie blames Reiner for causing Marcel's death, Reiner still shocked but in need of this success in their mission states "If Marcel is dead, then Reiner is dead and I will be the new Marcel". The split personality disorder starts to sprout right at this moment. Reiner will eventually become everybody big brother, the reliable guy who everybody looks up to. Except it's not the real Reiner but the Marcel he created. When Reiner destroys the second wall, he doesn't understand why Marcel apologized, saved him. Marcel clearly felt guilty. He was a lot more mature than Reiner. Because of him Reiner would go the this place full of devils and even if they succeed in their mission he would have only 13 years to live. He just save his brother but doomed his friend in the process. During season 1, Berthold tells Eren about how the titan invading his village and how scared he was when he opened the window and saw a titan. This is not true, he stole this story from a man who also left three kids around their same age. The man later kills himself because of his guilt. This helps Reiner's group because they claim to be those 3 kids. This is eventually a bad move because Armin will very easily link the 3 of them as titans after Annie's titan capabilities are revealed. Berthold is having a recurrent dream about that man who offed himself. He doesn't understand. Why would a devil who doesn't feel guilt even after abandoning 3 kids do that ? Later, Annie is the only one heavily investigating the royal family. She reaches and tails Kenny. He vanished and grabbed her. She understands he is strong and very dangerous, she makes up a lie about him being her dad. Kenny doesn't buy it but she manages to flee hoping to never have to face this guys again. She wants to leave the island but Reiner's new plan is to breach the next wall leading to Trost event.
>Berthold is having a recurrent dream about that man who offed himself. He doesn't understand. Why would a devil who doesn't feel guilt even after abandoning 3 kids do that ? "Maybe... he wanted someone to judge him"
Reiner was 17 when Eren was 15 in the first season. Currently Reiner is 21 after the 4 year time skip. "Porco" is Galliard's first name, Marcel's brother who currently has the jaw titan (he ate Ymir). You've met him before in the last episode.
Weren't they 12, though? Because Eren was 15 five years after the fall of Shiganshina, so that makes him 10 during episode 1, thus Reiner and co being 12.
I mean you kind of figure it out. Eren hasn’t been shown, then a mysterious figure with black hair is showing his face. I mean it’s one of those things if u not looking for him then you won’t know
Considering that his voice actor is baby Bryce Papenbrook who can't change his voice to save his live, dub watchers will recognize him from the very first line.
@Gr8Sc0tt It takes less than a second to read an entire line of subtitles. The trick is that you have to learn to "see" then, not read them like you would normally. It's why teachers tell you to stop mouthing what you're reading, since that process slows down your reading. You have to take in the words without "reading" them, if that makes sense.
The moment the mission went FUBAR with Marcel's loss and they started doing the mission Reiner's way, it set off events that gave birth to their nemesis and would result in the events that will happen this season.
In case you didn't notice, when Reiner Hugged Annie and Berthlodt (or however its supposed to be written) in the background we can see that they were in the same room with Eren, Mikasa and Armin
"How did you know it was Eren ?" Because it's the same fucking voice that we've heard from 3 season and also literally 5 minutes ago in the flashback ? How did they not realized that immediatly, especially after Chris mentionned it.
Also to add onto Chris’s theory. In the previous episode Falco pointed out that long haired guy had his arm band on the wrong arm. Which also shows that he is not actually from there. It’s definitely Eren.
I think the reason this show is so good is that we keep getting introduced to people with even more tragic backstories than the MC. Eren’s mom got eaten, sure, but so many people have endured so much more it really forces you to look at the bigger picture instead of rooting for the main character all the time.
I think it's more about how there are no exact "good" or "bad" guys in this story. Both sides, Marleyans and Eldians, have horrible people and good people. It's a story that shows us that there are times when our enemies have circumstances of their own, even if we don't want to think about it.
@@MandatoryFruit I mean true but those are mores so isolated events. People like Reiner were BORN into suffering. Eren had a perfectly fine life until the events that took place in episode 1. And even then it wasn’t until the events of season 2 that he really started to endure suffering for real. Whole time other people have equally messed up experiences or worse.
I love your SNK reactions, guys. When I see you and look at your excitement I remember how I was when I read the manga for first time and saw this particular chapters. The best is coming. I just gonna say that.
Clarification on the Annie/Kenny thing: Annie was doing the actual legwork and investigating, trying to find the Founding Titan thought to be held by the King. She was focused on the mission. She even berated Reiner and Bertholdt for slacking off with their friends. And Kenny isn't Annie's father either, that was just a last ditch attempt to find a way into the inner circle after she got caught.
@@vickykgoete3161 I mean he does care about Uri right, who's still alive I think but that's beside the point. Annie wasn't just snooping around, she was tailing him. I would've thought he'd be interested in why but guess not.
Reiner deserves sympathy in my book for sure, but it's understandable from Annie's point of view for hating him.. her and Bert didn't wanna do it after they lose the Jaws..Reiner was gonna blackmail them straight up if they didn't continue the mission... But he was a loyal marleyian and wanted to be a hero. If it wasn't for him...the walls would have never be breached he kept moving forward. And that's how him and Eren are 2 of the same coin..pretty alike entirely.
@@mr.unknown731 but it wasn't.. As the brass said... These kids were BETTER than their predecessors ... Later on Magath told Gaby "do you know how much it takes to train you candidates" The anime left out, enough the manga DID show. Reiner's goals were clear if you read it...his drive for why he feels guilty. This was said Ch. 94 NO SPOILERS "4 years ago Reiner Braun took full responsibility for the failed Paradis Island Operation and nearly had the Armor taken from him, But he showed his allegiance for risking his life in successful battles, now no one calls for him to be stripped of the Armor" Look it up kid.
About the part where if it wasn't for him, the walls would never have been breached - not true, because if not Reiner, then the next Warrior candidate would have done it. One way or the other, Paradis Island was always going to be breached.
Damn! There's a *LOT* cut off from the manga! At this rate, I'm starting to grow concerned about how the anime's gonna turn out. This was what I was worrying about. That it might turn out into another Tokyo Ghoul.
So people are commonly confused about this, since the author never properly EVER explained it, but basically, the Curse of Ymir (the 13 years) doesn't make you age any faster. You just weaken by the end of your 13th year and then die. Uri got old and weak, but remember Eren Krueger did not, he just physically weakened. We still don't know how exactly it works
6:30 There was symbolism in this episode that can be overlooked: Annie killing the grasshopper. When Reiner and Bertholdt look over to see what Annie was kicking they see a mangled grasshopper. Grasshoppers in various cultures and religions represent different things, but most commonly are associated with "good luck" and fortune for the world. They either go through complete metamorphosis or incomplete metamorphosis and hatch from larvae, which is like an egg pod or cocoon. In religions such as the Bible, Grasshoppers are metaphors that symbolize the puniness of man when viewed from above. They also never jump backwards or sideways and are always moving/jumping forward, which some interpret as meaning to take a "leap of faith." How ironic is it that titans are huge creatures while humanity are puny in comparison when viewed above by Titans. In this case when Annie, Reiner, and Bert attack the walls the Eldians in the walls are like the grasshoppers who symbolize the puniness of man when viewed from above. Also how ironic is it that grasshoppers are meant as "good luck" and "leap of faith," but in this case, the leap forward of the Paradis Island Operation was a massive fail. How ironic is it that Annie, the one who killed and mangled the grasshopper is in a larvae type cocoon just like grasshoppers when they hatch. I doubt this scene was included trivially and I think Annie killing the grasshopper symbolized how terrible their luck and everything was from the start.
It is poetic that the story about an old Eldian man that hanged himself is included into Reiner's memories of the Island. This old man was so scared about the titans that he ran away and abandoned the three kids (basically leaving them to be eaten). But he was so crushed by the feeling of guilt that he hanged himself later on. Reiner did not understood it back then, but now, as he is also suffering from immense sense of guilt from his actions - he understands. And he was a second away from killing himself. Only his connection to the new kids gave him his "Door of Hope" (as the episode is called), the last chance and reason to keep living. Also - Reiner, Bert and Annie used the story about this old man and his three kids as their cover story in season 1, when they explained where they were from (from a village overrun by titans).
It’s weird how no one seems to be considering Marley. Realistically anyone reading this would be a marlyean. Eldians turn into giants that are borderline unkillable by your average civilian standard. So imagine going to school with eldians. You think school-shooters are bad, imagine if it took a shot for that kid to eat the entire school. I’m not saying they’re right, I’m just saying, this show is about perspective. The moment you think you’re right, you’re probably wrong.
I realised the reason why Bertholt was chosen for COlossal. Colossal Titan is a massive power that can even harm the allies if the user is reckless while transforming. So the best person to wield the colossal is the one who hesitates to use it, doesn't loses his cool to provocations and is afraid of the massive power it holds. Imagine someone like eren having colossal, he would probably end up taking down his own squad if he transforms out of a sudden in rage. The wielder of colossal "must " hesitate and be sure that he should definitely be away from the allies when transforming.
Duuuuuuuuude! I didn't catch alot of the stuff when I watched the episode, exciting things were pointed out from this reaction and the comment section. Went back immediately to rewatch all 3, let's GO! This is about to get WILD!
It's really interesting to know that while Reiner was plowing through the walls in episode one, he was having an internal struggle. It also amazes me how young he was back then.
I am very happy that you guys had the discussion about having a dangerous neighbour, which relates the plot of the anime to the current world. As you guy pointed out, it is true that such a kind of an 'unpredictable' neighbour is scary, really really scary. But, I think THAT is the whole point; we do not know what is happening with others and we won't until we talk to them, communicate with them, understand each other. And when we really understand each other, it won't be a problem anymore. May it be a titan-shifter or a random stranger. That's exactly what happened with Reiner, by knowing them and understanding their situation he came to know that, they are no different from him. Still he had his reasons for doing what he did. But that's not the point, he understood them and hated himself for doing such things. That is why I think he felt that way at the thought of going back the island, thinking how he could show his face to his "FRIENDS" after all that shit he did.
Marley sent the kids because they knew the kids were strong, they even destroyed a nation in the episode. Marley probably did not expect what happened to the kids and Ymir. This was more of a problem of underestimation.
The thing is, if the plan always included infiltration (that it might have, after all how were they supposed to find the Founding Titan otherwise?), then strength alone wouldn't do it. Sending a squad of children under cover seems a perfect recipe for failure. They may have relied a lot on their loyalty and brainwashing, and for that matter it DID kinda work - they came back to Marley after all - but they took a humongous risk not having an adult supervise and direct them.
@@HaganeNoGijutsushi ya i guess looking back they probably should have sent some adults to lead them atleast. But i guess isayama could have found a way to kill them off in the beginning anyway lol
I thought the reason they sent kids was because the "Warrior" program was Fairly recent, as in We have adults taking the mantle but they decide to brainwash kids and Use the Titans at their peak potential
What you said was so true, at the start we watched it from erens perspective and seeing the armoured and stuff attacking now I feel like it’s switched and we’re seeing reiners perspective and we’re going to see eren and armin attack and it’ll seem like they’re the bad guys from the people. It’s good writing so far
I think Annie could get to know that Kenny was connected with Royal family- she wanted to get informations about Founding Titan. I'm sure that is how it is. 😉
Something that was mentioned in the after discussion- Bertholdt didn't forget that they were undercover. He was confused in 2x6 because they had been pretty much winging it for 5 years and HE knew that Reiner was losing himself more and more as time went on and was already on edge. Reiner very abruptly made the choice to abandon the last five years of working in the shadows- that's why Bert was so like wtf??? Now, he was conflicted about what to do because YES these are people that he spent the last few years making "friends" with lol but he wasn't confused- just uncertain on how to handle himself.
It just kinda blows my mind to think back from Eren, Mikasa, and Armin's point of view of the attack, the monstrous destructive Titans were in fact controlled by kids who were barely older than them. It really hits different when you see kid Reiner in action from within the Armored Titan.
They cut a lot of content from the manga (roughly 2.5 chapters adapted). But if the pace is sacrificed here instead of later on I dont mind it that much. They should’ve just removed the Kenny/Annie scene since it had almost no context and instead showed more of RBA making their way to the wall and the attack from their POV. The hobo is here.
To be honest I thought the pacing was quite good. Even with the stuff they cut. I dont think Annie gathering the Titans for the attack is that important and can be left out. I agree with the kenny scene. Annie talks about it later in the scene with reiner and bertholdt but most reactors didnt catch that. If they left the intro out and used the 1:30 minutes for explaining the kenny scene better the episode would have been almost flawless. But as you said if it helps with future episodes than thats not a problem for me. I have trust in mappa because they have shown a fantastic understanding of the source material so far. If they nail episode 5 than I think we are in for a treat.
@@byslow4563 I think it would have been a lot of work to animate Annie luring the titans towards the wall. Too many models which would have needed to be accurately moved
Annie was tracking the founding titan a.k.a. (usually) the king and Kennie was like a personal guard of the king, she was moving to every crack in the city that she could to get close to him. When that eventually fail she became part of the millitary police so she could eventually be part of the royal guard
I get what Nahid is saying, as far as how brainwashed the Eldians are within marley, Especially with someone like Zeke. It come from that similar concept of self hatred and "The house N-word"
Did you guys notice when Annie woke up. It is the same building as the one that Eren, Armin, and Miksa evacuated to during the 2nd ep ss1. You can see three of them in the background.
I see similarities to the marginalization of Africa and African people: - using their own people to fight/hunt other Eldians - putting Eldians on the frontlines of battle - borderline glorified slavery - possibly changing history to fit the Marlayian narrative (I'm not a manga reader so please don't spoil) - using superior technology to take advantage of the Eldians But I think there's more similarities to the encampment and persecution of Jews. Inspiration for the world building in this show probably came from bits and pieces of different groups of people that were put down through history
-Mostly Blue Eyed Blonde People. -Confirmed Germanic descent. -Used to rule an entire continent and colonize other races. -Practiced eugenics. -Considered all other races as inferior. -Were allied with Hizuru(Imperial Japan) -Are brainwashed to hate their own race because of past sins(holocaust, slavery, colonialism) *ELDIANS ARE BLACKS* Talk about stupid.
I think they're forgetting how drastic puberty is. Remember in school how you'd have a classmate who looked like a kid and one who looked like a whole adult, mortgage family, career and all.
Just so you know the story that the man who hanged himself told Reiner Annie and Bertolt is the same story that Bertolt tells Eren when he asks about what happened when the titans attacked their "village" in season 1 during their training. They even used the image of the titan peeking through the window only with Bertolt instead of the old man who it actually happened to.
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@@McBehrer Berutoruto*
@@BigFatSammich Ah, yes. The future spin-off, where we get to watch Boruto's son. I can't wait for Berutoruto shipuuden.
@@BigFatSammich There's literally no need to phonetically spell names out like that lmfao stop
@@northwind2538 it's a joke lol
In case you didn't get the reference, Kenny was pissed when Annie made up the lie/excuse about him being her dad and knocking up her mom, because the same scenario happened with his sister and giving birth to Levi.
Yep, and that promise he made to his sister not to bang or knock up any Brothel ladies makes a lot of sense given that context.
Stuff like this shouldn't have been cut from the OG Manga panels, but... Mappa has its ways it seems. Hope they add more than they cut honestly.
@@thalmoragent9344 supposedly isayama was the one directing this episode and was satisfied with it although they could've added an extra few seconds to 3xplain Annie's significance
So was it a lie or an excuse cuz those mean very different things..
@@turbonutz6340 it was both an excuse for her spying on him, and it was also blatantly a lie because she knew that they were completely unrelated
@@c3p6 I thought they explained it clearly. She literally talked about how she was the one doing the investigating for the founding titan.
Real ones know that was Eren just from the voice alone
Facts. Yuki kaji goat VA
i don't follow the VA, but his voice was so familiar
I knew it as soon as he said the first dialogue..
@@at_oussama then start following. He's one of the greatest VA in anime industry.
@Anthony DiFranco same dude I knew cuz I read the manga but I don't know his voice in japanese cuz I usually watch the dub
Porco is Galliard. Galliard is their family name. He is the brother of marcel and has the jaw titan now.
Porco galliard and his sibling Marcel galliard
Tbh Galliard sounds 20 Times more badass
So I will call him Galliard :^)
@@regobing5435 Porco means pig. :)
@@luizfelipe2389 LMAOOOOO
It's nice to see the parallel between the warrior trio and EMA.
Eren wasn't particularly good at anything like Reiner. But they both had drives and purposes that pushed them forward. That dedication was their strong point.
Armin was timid like Bertolt, taking more of a back seat when dangerous situations came about. Both of them didn't like confrontation.
Annie is like Mikasa where she doesn't seem to have attachments to anyone. But they both have that one person who causes them to lash out. For Annie, it's her father. For Mikasa it's Eren.
Inside of the wall and in Marley, they're all the same. Just people. Fighting on opposite sides of the war.
Ah yeah, definitely, they're basically almost the same people born on opposite sides of the sea.
alexinator9000 remove your " freedom" panel in manga
you dont think mikasa has attachments to eren and armin?
@@RedFox0909 No he’s not. Eren is driven by a desire for freedom while Reiner is driven by a desire for love and acceptance.
@@RedFox0909 Dude he literally forgave Reiner, the embodiment of his suffering. He doesn’t hate anyone anymore and holds no ill will towards any enemy nation, including Marley. The only reason he’s destroying the world is because it’s the only way for his people to live without constant oppression and continued warfare. In the pre-timeskip Eren hated the entire world because they took away his freedom, but after seeing all the nuances and circumstances of both sides, all he wants is the end of this cyclical conflict that continually takes away the unalienable rights of his country. He’s not killing out of hate, he’s killing out of self-preservation and for the pursuit of freedom.
I cannot get over how since the dawn of this channel whenever Nahid wants to share his innermost thoughts that hes been cooking up everyone else switches to their brace-for-impact face.
Is it because he spoiled something accidentally one time? I forget lol
If you're the stoner of your group of friends, you get used to it, believe me.
@@SpaceMechanic No, it's because he spouts ridiculous comments from time to time. Comparing Eldians to black people? Like c'mon what drugs are you smoking to say that? lol
@@atmaillumina yeah, I mean, I can understand where he’s trying to come from, and many of the things he said were, by themselves, true (Mansa Musa for example), but trying to fit that into an argument that Eldians are black people is just... no.
lol gotta love him
I think the best comment I saw that summed up Reiners mindset was this
“God.. Reiner growing up with peers thinking he was a loser and becoming the armored titan only because of marcel wanting to protect his brother, now epically failing the mission getting all 3 of his warriors killed or captured, and having to reconsile that the paradis devils he spent his life hating were the only people in his life that looked up to him and respected him... Id have that rifle in my mouth too...”
God this is so depressing
Ya witch is why he removes it when he hears falco cuz it reminded him there where others besides his friends he betrayed
"For the longest time I wanted the armored titan to die."
Reiner: Me too.
Porco IS Galliard. It's his and Marcel's last name. He hates his first name cause people keep calling him "Pock".
What does Pock mean?
@@anitaremenarova6662 it’s just a dumb nickname that he hates lol
@@anitaremenarova6662 Maybe like Pork? They say it Pock. That would piss anyone.
@@dhirajmalapati369 It's funny you say that because Porco literally means pig in portuguese.
@@yagoldt6195 Oh yeah? I'm Indian so i have no idea but cool. Aslo why would anyone name their kid Pig?
So nice seeing Zeke gave marcel the apple to eat and he gave his little brother porco🙂 he was a older brother which reiner truly respect
@@zedkaa8689 no it wasn't, it was zeke
@@zedkaa8689 That was Zeke... He has yet to inherit the Beast Titan, and we see the boy in this episode has already inherited it by the end; furthermore, same voice actor.
@@zedkaa8689 no it wasn’t
@@zedkaa8689 Bruh ... You gotta be kidding me to be that off. 🤣🤣🤣
@@zedkaa8689 that's zook yeager a.k.a monke titan
What’s kind of depressing is the reason bertholt always slept weird was because he was having horrible nightmares about the shit he’s seen
@@hermanubis96 bertholt was sleeping in a position called the hanging man it represents someone punished for treason and someone who feels guilt for what they did which him and Reiner commit and it also parallels with with the man who hunt himself because of the guilt he felt for leaving his children behind
yeah I just found out. Why did they have to give an hilarious trait such a dark meaning
@@BhBc8f8 To make it much worse when you actually find out what it is
bruuuuuuh that's messed up
That's fucked up
*Annie in warrior training*
Normies: Oh hey it’s Annie
*Annie literally just changes her hairstyle*
Normies: I have never seen this girl in my life
Tbf i watched through the episode 5 times already and it took me until the 3rd watch to realize. Hairstyle eyecolor are typically how you identify the characters, sometimes the voice like with Eren, but Annie hasn't been around for forever so it wasn't really clear who that was. It could have been edited in a little better i think
@@BapiBoozle "Hairstyle eyecolor are typically how you identify the characters" - in normal anime I would agree, but AoT characters have very unique facial features. There is literally no other female character, that looks like Annie.
@@AppleBaron Nah there are a lot of similar looking characters, like Jean and Eren, Erwin's dad and Zeke. The only part of Annie that stands out is her nose there, but her hair looked so long in that scene that i wasn't entirely sure it was her.
@@BapiBoozle What are you talking about? Jean and Eren look nothing alike!
@@MugdhaMahdiShams Bruh they are purposefully made to look similar. It is used in the story TWICE.
“So Eren is gonna be a lot older too, because Reiner grew”
Yes..... that’s how aging works lol
water is wet lmao
Lmao
Its because of facial hair that they look alot older than there age if they shave it off they will look young isnt it how it works lol.
@@ashlight3812 Exactly lol, they don’t even have full beards 😂
Not the brightest people these guys huh?
Annie: Hey daddy
🤣🤣
Annie: papa!
Kenny: cap!💯
.
Just a little thing you miss: Galliard name is Porco.
I can't believe one of them said she didn't recognize Porco in earlier S4 episodes when his hairstyle is so easily recognizable. I mean he hasn't changed it one bit in 9 years. And in S4E2 after Reiner wakes from his nightmare Porco is eating his sandwich and bitching about being passed over for the armor way back when - he was basically describing what we saw happen in E3.
its surprising that they didn't realize that, it was obvious when Porco talk to Reiner after Reiner wake up on episode 2.
This anime uses firstnames most of the time, when Porco was introduced it was as Galliard so it can be confusing.
Nahid be like
"Is it crazy that I feel bad for a character you are supposed to feel bad for because we just got a deepdive on how he is the victim of deep-rooted racist indoctrination which caused him to go borderline schizophrenic when he was faced with the reality that opposes said indoctrination and now I am watching him be one muscle twitch away from blowing his brains out as a result of all this"
Lol. Yeah, if people can't sympathize with the non-Paradis Eldians, I don't know what to say. Something's wrong.
@@MarkHogan994 For real. I don't know how it is possible for such themes and meanings to go over people's heads.
@@DarthDookieMan Yeah youre right, i mean the transition to eren and armin at the beginning of the episode literally shows that they just are different sides of the same coin.
@@MarkHogan994 and that's a huge part of the fandom.
@@MarkHogan994 tell that animechan 😂 she just cant accept that reiner isnt to blame
In the manga they showed things in more detail. Annie wanted to scrap the mission when Marcel died because they needed the Jaw's speed to outrun the mindless titans but since he died she had to take Marcel's role; however her titan doesn't have as much stamina or speed. Hence why she didn't participate in the breaking of Wall Maria, she was too exhausted.
Yeah, I wanted to see that animated.
@@bakagakure6435 Same. The whole sequence just looked intense, running away from the mindless titans they were leading to the walls. Annie was at her limit and they almost got eaten too because of how exhausted she was. They were also supposed to take turns between Marcel and Annie, carrying everyone else to the walls.
What? Didn't Reiner choked her to unconsciousness? I thought that was the reason we didn't see her during the disaster
@@awekeningbro1207 No they cut out part of the flashback to save time. All three of them almost got devoured by mindless titans while trying to reach Wall Maria. Reiner couldn't make it with his titan cause it's too slow and Bert can't stay in titan form for long and has a huge cool down period between transformations, Annie had to make the journey.
@@awekeningbro1207 annie got choked out, but ALL 3 of them participated in the breaking of the wall. her scenes got cut because they were trying to fit everything in one episode. go read the chapters if you want to see what happened. In my opinion, eren's talk with falco was better in the manga.
"Marcel was going to lead? Really? Jaw just jumping over & wreaking havoc I guess?"
Lol. They meant he was the leader of their little group, not actually lead the attack.
Seeing Jaw jumping over the wall in the first episode and wrecking shit would've been crazy though, now that I think about it.
@@danielmacdonald9287 Yeah. Makes me wonder what Marcel's role would've been. Bertholdt kicked the wall down, Reiner brought down the next wall, & I'm assuming Annie gathered all the mindless titans since she has that ability.
@@Longsen She actually did that. They showed it in the manga but not in the anime.
Maybe for countermeasure? Looking back to his speed
@@Longsen Yup, if I remember correctly, Annie and Marcel was supposed to take turns luring the pure titans to the wall, but since Marcel was gone, Annie had to do all of the running and luring, that's why she was too tired to join the attack on the wall. Sadly it was removed from the anime.
Porco is Galliard, the Jaw Titan. You guys missed that. His name is Porco Galliard, brother of Marcel Galliard.
Yeah they call him by his last name for respect plus he’s the only sibling left.... idk how they didn’t know
@@_Antijosh_ they call him by his last name, because he doesn't really like his first name. People kept calling him pock.
they really lived up to their name huh? normies
It can be hard to notice since they were calling him galliard in the first two episodes
the only connection before saying "my brother" between this episode and the last is Pieck calling him Pock and Reiner calling him Pock, so it's understandable they may have not picked it up from him being called Porco every time, but the appearance should've been the giveaway. Hard to say since it's astounding the amount of people who didn't recognize Reiner from the trailer, so I wouldn't say it's unique to them.
"Eldians are like blacks"
Onyakopon:"Am I a joke to you?"
I wanna see him!
@@canvas_125 ep 6/7 i think 👀
I can't wait for him.
@MythicalSpaceBoy so much potential for a good character arc but completely wasted?
@@1estel1ch.42 He wasn't wasted. He got his fair share for a side character.
In the manga we had no color so a lot of people had no clue that that was Eren. It took me a while to figure it out without the color but it’s as clear as day in the anime lol
@Mr.ILikeSpam honest to god it was one of the biggest surprises of all time
@Lycan yeah it does. When reading the manga I pretty much labeled Eren as ‘Injured Eldian soldier #9’ lol. I didn’t know it was him at all
@@youngrootv indeed. I was wondering how they’d handle it in the anime, since it would need a lot more work and changes to keep a similar level of mystery, but I’m glad they kept it like this
What’s weird is I didn’t notice it because his nose it’s pointed more when he’s older which is weird idk it doesn’t look the same as it did in season 3 at least
Without the color and the voice actor too !
It wasn't just the brainwashing, it was that the Warrior's families were Marley's hostage
Bertoldt actually died in "Midnight Sun,"
yeah he was thinking about when Bert was captured and Armin "died"
Bertholdt*
@@McBehrer Bertorto
burrito
@@averageteemomain5721 u still in season 2? what spoilers lmao
normies: there must be alot of planning on infiltrating marley.
eren: ...
XD
XD
Eren went from being kidnapped to kidnapping himself to another country
So anyway, I started smashing.
"I'll take it from here Isayama senpai"
It wasn't supposed to take that long. They were just going to break down the walls and get the founding titan. They assumed it would take at most a couple months but due to losing Marcel they had to continue the mission jo matter what because they didn't want to he eaten
they would have also had to find out who the founding titan was
yeah but they had to have known the FT was in sina where royalty lives.
@Gr8sc0tt no it wasn't bruh.
chris's reaction to nahid saying eldians are black people is priceless
Marketa realizing it a second before him "oh my god"ing lol
Ohhh my fuking god
please give the timestamp
@@jordanwest8965 no, u need to learn to watch without skipping
@@jordanwest8965 1:02 everybody just shut up. Nahid man always be there
Damn, I would love to see an Anime about that Eldian Soldier at the end, seems like he's been through a lot of struggles in life.
Bro stfu
@@axxel4888 you chill tf up, I read no spoilers here
@@axxel4888 Woosh
damn, that sounds like it's gonna be a great story
@@pablox98 sorry, I’ve just seen a bunch of comments like this “hinting” when reactors don’t catch who it is and they have me really tired. I get we’re excited but there’s really no need for them imo
Normies: “and imagine how much damage the warriors did when they infiltrated, without planning or anything? And I bet this time the infiltration from the paradis crew will be heavillllyyy planned out”
*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*
Damn it eren!
SPOILERS
Lmao mean while paradis is gonna be getting those letters like wtfff
They didn't join the military on a whim tho, it was to get close to the royal family and the founding titan.
I think they meant it as they joined the military on their own accord, their own plan and that it was not all calculated beforehand with Marley because their whole plan got wiped as soon as Marcel got eaten.
@@skimask5933 maybe, but he said ''on a whim'', and I just wanted to clarify that it wasn't the case
@@leonardohenrique5172 That's literally what they meant....without Marleyian orders
This was a great episode, but sadly they cut out a lot of scenes; specially during the RBA scenes in the walls:
-Reiner's mom has more scenes were she kinda manipulates Reiner into becoming a soldier so both of them can be honorable Marleyans
-Annie is way more involved in the mission, she screams to attract the titans to the walll before Berthold breaks it and they almost die in the process; it's way more caotic and last minute planned since they don't have Marcel
-They removed the scenes that explains their plan to retake the Founder; basically the king of the walls told everyone that he would destroy the world with the Wall Titans if someone attacked him, but that thread was a bluff (the whole vow to abandon war that all the royal family titans have that prevents them to do anything); and Marley goverment knew about that bluff (as Kruger who told Grisha in season 3), RBA were gonna find the king and steal the Founder easily (the king was probably gonna show himself so they could eat him without a fight), but since Grisha stole it first RBA were kinda lost and they spent 2 years infiltrated and finding out about the king puppet and that the true king was in hiding (is during this time that they talk to the men before he hangs himself, in the manga is mentioned that no one else survived from that men's village so RBA lied about being from there to fit in; funnily enough Berthold tells that men's story to Eren waaay back in season 1). After 2 years, RBA decide to join the army so they can infiltrate the military police and find the king to steal the Founder (they think that he is still alive somewhere; and they don't know if the vow of the king is 100% true or not, or if the king will release the wall titans or not; so they decide to keep a low profile).
-The Kenny scene is Annie investigating the military police to find the king, and after escaping Kenny RBA decide that they spend enought time infiltrated and that they would destroy the second wall to find out if the king would make a move or not.
Overall great episode, but the pacing is justt waay to fast
"Eldians are black people"
the black guy:
left the chat
I would’ve been Chris in this situation but I still fuck with nahid for bringing it up
timestamp? i wanna see Chris' reaction
@@soci6236 First minutes
It's definitely more of a parallel to jewish people.
He is actually correct on some parallels. Eldians would be compared to any race that was oppressed, brainwashed, and victimized.
Reiner’s depression is the most powerful character in the show.
Reiner has plot armor but his psyche doesn't.
He is far beyond depressed, he is broken on multiple levels
Nah fam it's erens resolve, if you know you know.
sorry but eren takes the cake if you know.
@@wauney you spelled "madness" wrong
i mean, *"To you in 2000 years"* doesn't really sound like a normal name for the first episode.
Spoiler:
From You, 2000 year ago
To You, 2000 year from now
Nahid's just trippin balls lmao
15:57 gorilla mode
He is always tripping balls. He has some weird ass thinking about things.
0:58 help the way they all tensed up and lowkey died inside LMAO
Bertholt actually died the episode after “Hero”, he died in “Midnight Sun”. “Hero” is when they took down all 3 titan shifters.
Jesus, even when they think there right there wrong.
@@graysteel close enough
@MythicalSpaceBoy in what regard Dipshit?
Galliard literally still has the same hairstyle since he was a kid.
He'll have the same hairstyle for the rest of his life.
the slickback is a classic lol
Marcel eats previous Jaw Titan>Ymir eats Marcel> Porco eats Ymir.
🎵🎶 it's the CIRCLE of life🎶🎵
Goddammit kkkkkk😂
Galliard is eaten by ymir > Ymir eaten by Galliard
I took a potato chip and eat It!
Falco eats Porco and grows wings somehow.
@@vicount3944 that has more to do with the Beast titan's spinal fluid.
I love the girl on the left not understanding the concept of a disguise and that maybe Annie was in one
Netflix: are you still watching?
Someone’s Daughter: 18:57
The daughter should really get some help if she wants to kill her self. That’s just sad
To the top with you!
Too funny lol
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NO SPOILERS- Just some information and fun facts:
Levi isn’t an Asian, he’s German or Caucasian like Eren and Armin, so no, he won’t be recognized or look out of place.
Also, Ackermans aren’t Asian...
They can be, like Mikasa is. But she isn’t Asian because she’s an Ackerman, she’s Asian because her mom was from the Oriental clan, her father was an Ackerman.
Basically, Ackerman’s aren’t recognizable from regular human beings except for their abilities.
Just correcting Nahid, because he thought Levi could be recognized.
Fun fact: Adding to Marketa’s statement, Hajime Isamaya got the idea of walled cities from his hometown which was a random town surrounded by endless forest.
Galliard is Porco and Marcel’s last name. Reiner asks Porco if he saw Marcel’s memory of how he died in episode 2 and Porco calls Marcel “My brother”
Also, lastly, the story that the man who killed himself told Reiner, Bertholdt, and Annie, is the same story Bertholdt and Reiner told Eren and Armin when they were talking back in Season 1 Episode 3...
Big Lion levi mom was asian
@@generalgrievous3066 Nope, then why wasn’t Kenny Asian?
Kuchel Ackerman doesn’t sound Asian at all. Mikasa and her mom are the only known Asians in the anime so far.
All the Ackerman’s shown in AOT except for Mikasa, aren’t Asians.
Their names sounds more German or French.
Big Lion True, u got me! Fuck you!
Just beautiful. You are the Manga readers we need😊
@@vickykgoete3161 Thanks, reading manga is cool, but it doesn’t give me privileges to spoil people who don’t.
Guys, Galliard is Porco and Marcel's last name. It's just the military referring to him by his last name. Porco is the current holder of the Jaws Titan.
Gives an all new meaning to Burt crying for "someone" to find them.
What did that mean?
@@CountChrisdo To save them, to help them, and to just see them for who they really are was what I got from his emotional breakdown. Ymir answered that plea for help when she went with Reiner and Bert at the end of S2, because she understands what they were going through.
@@lalalalisa41 wow, I just rewatched aot again for like the 5th time and now I understand the concept of that scene even more, it actually makes me feel sorry for them. I love this show 🥺😩
@@layahmae1200 Honestly, the rewatch value for this show is just mindblowing at times lol. Things you didn't understand at first or thought weren't that important is shown in a whole new light! That's what I love about this series 👌
If you didnt know, Isayama (the author) is also in the directing squad of mappa, he says what to cut and what is not cut, if he says what to do with his story he can do what he wants imo :/ everything he does is for a reason. For example the line falco said in the first episode about flying around with swords and a titan, that wasnt in the manga but was added by isayama... excited to see what it builds up to
You knew the episode was fire when Nahid dropped his phone twice and dont even care because of his excitement
6:48 Berthholdt did not die in the episode named Hero , he died on the episode named Midnight Sun , when armin ate him in the last scene
In my opinion I feel like what the show is trying to portray the most is that it doesn’t matter who you are or what you look like or what you believe in you can always find yourself on one of the sides. Either being the oppressed or the oppressors. It was happening in the paradis society to with the higher ups oppressing the lower class so really no one is immune to it.
It also happened in the past too. But that's spiilers
I completely agree. This show is a cold look at identity politics and how viewing the world as opressed and opressors leads to never ending war.
They opressed but yoo did you see how the what titan can do? The power of Ymir is terrific
@@ryantoscano9739 I also agree. I think the point comes into focus more easily a little further along than where we the anime is now but if I were to summarize the meta narrative point of AoT it would be this: targeting an ethnic group for a collective crime is wrong and only leads to crimes against the innocent. The imagery being reminiscent of WWII era isn't happenstance, it's visually making a connection to the atrocities of the 20th century to help us understand that's the point.
As usual, Chris is carrying these reactions. Not to knock the others, but he's by far the most perceptive of the whole crew.
Not "by far" if you're including Navi and Micky.
I think they are all doing fine, Suraj brought up a good question in the discussion that was intriguing to think about.
Everyone this discussion was great
@@rinkusan978 Navi isn't perceptive at all you twat
Heads up for what you might have missed during the discussion
Reiner Braun is chosen as armoured titan. Porco Galliard is mad because is was supposed to be the next armoured titan. His brother Marcel Galliard says he is sorry while he tries to stop his brother from punching Reiner. After all it's his fault, he's apologizing to Reiner cause of what he did. Later during the mission Reiner tries to cheer them up cause they all were chosen. Marcel feels guilty and tells him the truth. Reiner not understanding why Marcel would apologize for making him the armored titan, a chosen one by Marley, stays static. Until Ymir after 60 years wakes up and tries to eat him. Marcel saves him.
After, when Annie blames Reiner for causing Marcel's death, Reiner still shocked but in need of this success in their mission states "If Marcel is dead, then Reiner is dead and I will be the new Marcel". The split personality disorder starts to sprout right at this moment. Reiner will eventually become everybody big brother, the reliable guy who everybody looks up to. Except it's not the real Reiner but the Marcel he created.
When Reiner destroys the second wall, he doesn't understand why Marcel apologized, saved him. Marcel clearly felt guilty. He was a lot more mature than Reiner. Because of him Reiner would go the this place full of devils and even if they succeed in their mission he would have only 13 years to live. He just save his brother but doomed his friend in the process.
During season 1, Berthold tells Eren about how the titan invading his village and how scared he was when he opened the window and saw a titan. This is not true, he stole this story from a man who also left three kids around their same age. The man later kills himself because of his guilt. This helps Reiner's group because they claim to be those 3 kids. This is eventually a bad move because Armin will very easily link the 3 of them as titans after Annie's titan capabilities are revealed.
Berthold is having a recurrent dream about that man who offed himself. He doesn't understand. Why would a devil who doesn't feel guilt even after abandoning 3 kids do that ?
Later, Annie is the only one heavily investigating the royal family. She reaches and tails Kenny. He vanished and grabbed her. She understands he is strong and very dangerous, she makes up a lie about him being her dad. Kenny doesn't buy it but she manages to flee hoping to never have to face this guys again. She wants to leave the island but Reiner's new plan is to breach the next wall leading to Trost event.
>Berthold is having a recurrent dream about that man who offed himself. He doesn't understand. Why would a devil who doesn't feel guilt even after abandoning 3 kids do that ?
"Maybe... he wanted someone to judge him"
Reiner was 17 when Eren was 15 in the first season.
Currently Reiner is 21 after the 4 year time skip.
"Porco" is Galliard's first name, Marcel's brother who currently has the jaw titan (he ate Ymir). You've met him before in the last episode.
Weren't they 12, though? Because Eren was 15 five years after the fall of Shiganshina, so that makes him 10 during episode 1, thus Reiner and co being 12.
@@joaoassumpcao3347 yes
@@joaoassumpcao3347 i think annie or bertholdt was 11
Nice context
@@joaoassumpcao3347 You're right I must've miscounted, I'll edit that part out!
Looking back, the scope and detail of this show is mind blowing
Those who decided to watch first 3 seasons dubbed to english would not recognize Erens voice in an instant.
The benefit from watching subs 😂
I mean you kind of figure it out. Eren hasn’t been shown, then a mysterious figure with black hair is showing his face. I mean it’s one of those things if u not looking for him then you won’t know
Unless they are waiting for the dub of course. Hopefully blind wave recognises him.
Considering that his voice actor is baby Bryce Papenbrook who can't change his voice to save his live, dub watchers will recognize him from the very first line.
@Gr8Sc0tt It takes less than a second to read an entire line of subtitles. The trick is that you have to learn to "see" then, not read them like you would normally. It's why teachers tell you to stop mouthing what you're reading, since that process slows down your reading. You have to take in the words without "reading" them, if that makes sense.
Eren broke Nahid. He went from a car to a broken record lmfao.
1:02 We're all the rest of the normies' expression when Nahid decided to have that talk
The moment the mission went FUBAR with Marcel's loss and they started doing the mission Reiner's way, it set off events that gave birth to their nemesis and would result in the events that will happen this season.
In case you didn't notice, when Reiner Hugged Annie and Berthlodt (or however its supposed to be written) in the background we can see that they were in the same room with Eren, Mikasa and Armin
Galliard is Porco's (and Marcel's) last name.
Really ??
@@judithbonsu8398 yep, they’re brothers!
"How did you know it was Eren ?"
Because it's the same fucking voice that we've heard from 3 season and also literally 5 minutes ago in the flashback ?
How did they not realized that immediatly, especially after Chris mentionned it.
Reiner to Eren: " *_Keep moving forward_* "
Hobo to Falco: "Only the people who *_keep moving forward_* can know for sure"
hmmmmm
i mean, anyone who cant tell that that is Eren is either stupid or wasnt paying attention lul^^
Also to add onto Chris’s theory. In the previous episode Falco pointed out that long haired guy had his arm band on the wrong arm. Which also shows that he is not actually from there. It’s definitely Eren.
I think the reason this show is so good is that we keep getting introduced to people with even more tragic backstories than the MC. Eren’s mom got eaten, sure, but so many people have endured so much more it really forces you to look at the bigger picture instead of rooting for the main character all the time.
A lot more happened to Eren than just his mom getting eaten, but sure.
I think it's more about how there are no exact "good" or "bad" guys in this story. Both sides, Marleyans and Eldians, have horrible people and good people. It's a story that shows us that there are times when our enemies have circumstances of their own, even if we don't want to think about it.
@@MandatoryFruit I mean true but those are mores so isolated events. People like Reiner were BORN into suffering. Eren had a perfectly fine life until the events that took place in episode 1. And even then it wasn’t until the events of season 2 that he really started to endure suffering for real. Whole time other people have equally messed up experiences or worse.
I love your SNK reactions, guys. When I see you and look at your excitement I remember how I was when I read the manga for first time and saw this particular chapters.
The best is coming. I just gonna say that.
Clarification on the Annie/Kenny thing: Annie was doing the actual legwork and investigating, trying to find the Founding Titan thought to be held by the King. She was focused on the mission.
She even berated Reiner and Bertholdt for slacking off with their friends.
And Kenny isn't Annie's father either, that was just a last ditch attempt to find a way into the inner circle after she got caught.
What ? I still don’t get it. Ditch attempt ? Inner circle ?
why didn't Kenny pursue tho? 🤔
@@adityatyagi9421 replace ditch attempt with escape and inner cycle with infiltration. It's not that deep.
@@BhBc8f8 think about it Kenny doesn't really care about stuff.. he only wanted power and a little girl snooping around was not important to him.
@@vickykgoete3161 I mean he does care about Uri right, who's still alive I think but that's beside the point. Annie wasn't just snooping around, she was tailing him. I would've thought he'd be interested in why but guess not.
We were just kids, we didn't know anything
- The Plot Armor Titan
Reiner deserves sympathy in my book for sure, but it's understandable from Annie's point of view for hating him.. her and Bert didn't wanna do it after they lose the Jaws..Reiner was gonna blackmail them straight up if they didn't continue the mission... But he was a loyal marleyian and wanted to be a hero. If it wasn't for him...the walls would have never be breached he kept moving forward. And that's how him and Eren are 2 of the same coin..pretty alike entirely.
Idk about black mail. That was a real possibility of that happening to all 3 of them not just Reiner
@@mr.unknown731 but it wasn't.. As the brass said... These kids were BETTER than their predecessors ... Later on Magath told Gaby "do you know how much it takes to train you candidates" The anime left out, enough the manga DID show. Reiner's goals were clear if you read it...his drive for why he feels guilty.
This was said Ch. 94 NO SPOILERS
"4 years ago Reiner Braun took full responsibility for the failed Paradis Island Operation and nearly had the Armor taken from him, But he showed his allegiance for risking his life in successful battles, now no one calls for him to be stripped of the Armor"
Look it up kid.
@@Lolo-ji9xs “Look it up kid.” You can explain stuff without being so cringe about it.
About the part where if it wasn't for him, the walls would never have been breached - not true, because if not Reiner, then the next Warrior candidate would have done it. One way or the other, Paradis Island was always going to be breached.
Damn! There's a *LOT* cut off from the manga! At this rate, I'm starting to grow concerned about how the anime's gonna turn out. This was what I was worrying about. That it might turn out into another Tokyo Ghoul.
Bertholdt: having some horrible nightmares that causes him to sleep in awkward positions.
Connie: I think it's going to snow today!
So people are commonly confused about this, since the author never properly EVER explained it, but basically, the Curse of Ymir (the 13 years) doesn't make you age any faster. You just weaken by the end of your 13th year and then die. Uri got old and weak, but remember Eren Krueger did not, he just physically weakened. We still don't know how exactly it works
my theory is that the first king saw the future that eldians will go extinct if they continued the war path and hence he ran away from it
6:30 There was symbolism in this episode that can be overlooked: Annie killing the grasshopper. When Reiner and Bertholdt look over to see what Annie was kicking they see a mangled grasshopper. Grasshoppers in various cultures and religions represent different things, but most commonly are associated with "good luck" and fortune for the world. They either go through complete metamorphosis or incomplete metamorphosis and hatch from larvae, which is like an egg pod or cocoon. In religions such as the Bible, Grasshoppers are metaphors that symbolize the puniness of man when viewed from above. They also never jump backwards or sideways and are always moving/jumping forward, which some interpret as meaning to take a "leap of faith." How ironic is it that titans are huge creatures while humanity are puny in comparison when viewed above by Titans. In this case when Annie, Reiner, and Bert attack the walls the Eldians in the walls are like the grasshoppers who symbolize the puniness of man when viewed from above. Also how ironic is it that grasshoppers are meant as "good luck" and "leap of faith," but in this case, the leap forward of the Paradis Island Operation was a massive fail. How ironic is it that Annie, the one who killed and mangled the grasshopper is in a larvae type cocoon just like grasshoppers when they hatch. I doubt this scene was included trivially and I think Annie killing the grasshopper symbolized how terrible their luck and everything was from the start.
Nice reaction. I love how well Mappa adapted this episode. Very nice art.
Looking forward to their ep 5 reaction.
Actually Mappa is doing 3chapters now so maybe well get chapter 100 in episode 4th
@@cega6436 I'd hope since episode 5 is gonna be a week hiatus it's a perfect time
Episode 4 ends at DECLARATION OF WAR and episode 5 is the fight
@@cega6436 They’re not doing 3 chapters per, stop spreading bs. This episode was 2.5 and will be one of the only ones like this.
@@cega6436 The next episode is called “From one hand to another”.
It is poetic that the story about an old Eldian man that hanged himself is included into Reiner's memories of the Island. This old man was so scared about the titans that he ran away and abandoned the three kids (basically leaving them to be eaten). But he was so crushed by the feeling of guilt that he hanged himself later on. Reiner did not understood it back then, but now, as he is also suffering from immense sense of guilt from his actions - he understands. And he was a second away from killing himself. Only his connection to the new kids gave him his "Door of Hope" (as the episode is called), the last chance and reason to keep living.
Also - Reiner, Bert and Annie used the story about this old man and his three kids as their cover story in season 1, when they explained where they were from (from a village overrun by titans).
It’s weird how no one seems to be considering Marley. Realistically anyone reading this would be a marlyean. Eldians turn into giants that are borderline unkillable by your average civilian standard. So imagine going to school with eldians. You think school-shooters are bad, imagine if it took a shot for that kid to eat the entire school. I’m not saying they’re right, I’m just saying, this show is about perspective. The moment you think you’re right, you’re probably wrong.
Yeah but the M don't just think the E are bad, they also manipulate, subjugate and dehumanize them. It's pretty clear from any perspective.
@@BhBc8f8 No, the M do think they're bad. It's the Warrior trio who don't think they're bad.
I realised the reason why Bertholt was chosen for COlossal. Colossal Titan is a massive power that can even harm the allies if the user is reckless while transforming. So the best person to wield the colossal is the one who hesitates to use it, doesn't loses his cool to provocations and is afraid of the massive power it holds. Imagine someone like eren having colossal, he would probably end up taking down his own squad if he transforms out of a sudden in rage. The wielder of colossal "must " hesitate and be sure that he should definitely be away from the allies when transforming.
Love y’all shitting on Annie when she had a completely solid point.
This coming from a guy with an anime pfp KEKW
@@Joshua-st1xn I... but.. what?
@@Joshua-st1xn u trippin?
@@Joshua-st1xn quit smoking weeds dude you're trippin
No fuck annie
Duuuuuuuuude! I didn't catch alot of the stuff when I watched the episode, exciting things were pointed out from this reaction and the comment section. Went back immediately to rewatch all 3, let's GO! This is about to get WILD!
Just imagine Zeke's face if he see Levi chilling in the town after the infiltration
It's really interesting to know that while Reiner was plowing through the walls in episode one, he was having an internal struggle. It also amazes me how young he was back then.
"Chris, how did you know?!"
Me: Em.. Voice? Yuuki Kaji? Anyone?!
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I’ve only watched the dub until now so if they had the same VA it would’ve been obvious to me 😆
Yeah, THE VOICE. 👌
I am very happy that you guys had the discussion about having a dangerous neighbour, which relates the plot of the anime to the current world.
As you guy pointed out, it is true that such a kind of an 'unpredictable' neighbour is scary, really really scary. But, I think THAT is the whole point; we do not know what is happening with others and we won't until we talk to them, communicate with them, understand each other. And when we really understand each other, it won't be a problem anymore. May it be a titan-shifter or a random stranger. That's exactly what happened with Reiner, by knowing them and understanding their situation he came to know that, they are no different from him. Still he had his reasons for doing what he did. But that's not the point, he understood them and hated himself for doing such things. That is why I think he felt that way at the thought of going back the island, thinking how he could show his face to his "FRIENDS" after all that shit he did.
Marley sent the kids because they knew the kids were strong, they even destroyed a nation in the episode. Marley probably did not expect what happened to the kids and Ymir. This was more of a problem of underestimation.
The thing is, if the plan always included infiltration (that it might have, after all how were they supposed to find the Founding Titan otherwise?), then strength alone wouldn't do it. Sending a squad of children under cover seems a perfect recipe for failure. They may have relied a lot on their loyalty and brainwashing, and for that matter it DID kinda work - they came back to Marley after all - but they took a humongous risk not having an adult supervise and direct them.
@@HaganeNoGijutsushi ya i guess looking back they probably should have sent some adults to lead them atleast. But i guess isayama could have found a way to kill them off in the beginning anyway lol
I thought the reason they sent kids was because the "Warrior" program was Fairly recent, as in We have adults taking the mantle but they decide to brainwash kids and Use the Titans at their peak potential
Also did you notice, Eren and Reiner looking at the exact same sky. While one wants to kill, the other just wants to live
What you said was so true, at the start we watched it from erens perspective and seeing the armoured and stuff attacking now I feel like it’s switched and we’re seeing reiners perspective and we’re going to see eren and armin attack and it’ll seem like they’re the bad guys from the people. It’s good writing so far
"This intro it's why i think everyone's gonna die"
I mean, isn't right but he's got a point there
"I'm so conflicted on who side i'm on" that is the best thing about this story
Porco/Galliard is the same person and he's the new Jaw Titan from episode 1 and he's the dude who talks to Reiner when he wakes up in episode 2
Chris: "Hannes is gonna be there"
Rip to the boi ;-;
Yup. When the Armoured Titan crashed through the gate, there was a child in there and all that was on his mind was how he's not ready for any of this.
I think Annie could get to know that Kenny was connected with Royal family- she wanted to get informations about Founding Titan. I'm sure that is how it is. 😉
Something that was mentioned in the after discussion- Bertholdt didn't forget that they were undercover. He was confused in 2x6 because they had been pretty much winging it for 5 years and HE knew that Reiner was losing himself more and more as time went on and was already on edge. Reiner very abruptly made the choice to abandon the last five years of working in the shadows- that's why Bert was so like wtf??? Now, he was conflicted about what to do because YES these are people that he spent the last few years making "friends" with lol but he wasn't confused- just uncertain on how to handle himself.
It just kinda blows my mind to think back from Eren, Mikasa, and Armin's point of view of the attack, the monstrous destructive Titans were in fact controlled by kids who were barely older than them. It really hits different when you see kid Reiner in action from within the Armored Titan.
Thankyou for getting the Season 2 links ready too suraj
They cut a lot of content from the manga (roughly 2.5 chapters adapted). But if the pace is sacrificed here instead of later on I dont mind it that much. They should’ve just removed the Kenny/Annie scene since it had almost no context and instead showed more of RBA making their way to the wall and the attack from their POV.
The hobo is here.
That's a good idea, they should've done that
Yeah the Kenny scene seemed pretty random and out of context
To be honest I thought the pacing was quite good. Even with the stuff they cut. I dont think Annie gathering the Titans for the attack is that important and can be left out. I agree with the kenny scene. Annie talks about it later in the scene with reiner and bertholdt but most reactors didnt catch that. If they left the intro out and used the 1:30 minutes for explaining the kenny scene better the episode would have been almost flawless. But as you said if it helps with future episodes than thats not a problem for me. I have trust in mappa because they have shown a fantastic understanding of the source material so far. If they nail episode 5 than I think we are in for a treat.
@@byslow4563 pretty sure that they’re saving all Annie scenes for Annie later on
@@byslow4563 I think it would have been a lot of work to animate Annie luring the titans towards the wall. Too many models which would have needed to be accurately moved
Annie was tracking the founding titan a.k.a. (usually) the king and Kennie was like a personal guard of the king, she was moving to every crack in the city that she could to get close to him. When that eventually fail she became part of the millitary police so she could eventually be part of the royal guard
I get what Nahid is saying, as far as how brainwashed the Eldians are within marley, Especially with someone like Zeke. It come from that similar concept of self hatred and "The house N-word"
Did you guys notice when Annie woke up. It is the same building as the one that Eren, Armin, and Miksa evacuated to during the 2nd ep ss1. You can see three of them in the background.
I see similarities to the marginalization of Africa and African people:
- using their own people to fight/hunt other Eldians
- putting Eldians on the frontlines of battle
- borderline glorified slavery
- possibly changing history to fit the Marlayian narrative (I'm not a manga reader so please don't spoil)
- using superior technology to take advantage of the Eldians
But I think there's more similarities to the encampment and persecution of Jews. Inspiration for the world building in this show probably came from bits and pieces of different groups of people that were put down through history
Cool
-Mostly Blue Eyed Blonde People.
-Confirmed Germanic descent.
-Used to rule an entire continent and colonize other races.
-Practiced eugenics.
-Considered all other races as inferior.
-Were allied with Hizuru(Imperial Japan)
-Are brainwashed to hate their own race because of past sins(holocaust, slavery, colonialism)
*ELDIANS ARE BLACKS*
Talk about stupid.
@@deacubogdan2263 Четко, ты мне нравишься
I think they're forgetting how drastic puberty is. Remember in school how you'd have a classmate who looked like a kid and one who looked like a whole adult, mortgage family, career and all.
When i first read it, THE DOOR OF HOPE is referring to The door for wall Maria cause it was the trios hope...
That Nahid racecar killed me! Great discussion by the way, and very good answer by Suraj with an equally good answer from Navi.