1987 or 1988... Yesterday, and long time ago in a way. No ridiculous hair and clothing style, no tatoos, no scripted trash talking or pre fight brawl.... Just class.
@@Robert-qm5soNever was knocked off his feet throughout a sublime career, the one time officially recorded against him as a "knockdown" is still mired in controversy. He formally adopted and officially changed his name to "Marvelous" when a ring official amateurishly (no pun intended) insisted, "His name is [plain] Marvin Hagler!" 'nuff said.
Great interview, Ray wanted no part of a rematch because he knew Marvin’s immaculate record on rematch, every fighter he rematched he knocked out Ray Seals, Bobby Watts, Monroe etc, he was also smart enough to realise he couldn’t beat Marvin twice
Let some people tell it, Leonard whipped Hagler's ass. Others say Leonard outclassed him clearly. Yourself, me and others say otherwise that Hagler won. @@mrray6983
@@mrray6983Strange how that happens. I've watched it at least a dozen times and scored it a draw 2 times and 10 for Hagler but I never scored all of the rounds consistently. Strange fight. I guess all we can say now is RIP Marvelous we love you and miss you.
Ray only won paper he def lost that fight the same with the rematch with hearns its sickening that they tried to made hagler out like the big bad villain when he was a gentlemen and leonard like the golden boy
Ray was on his bicycle that whole fight, and never hurt Marvin, on the other hand, Marvin punished Ray with body shots all fight and won rounds more decisively than Leonard!
Exactly. That's all the black fighters do is run all night. The Mexican fighter really won the fight. Mexicans never run and always go toe to toe. Mexicans are warriors and the most exciting fighters in boxing history. Canelo would beat both easy. Mexicans run boxing and always have
i didnt think it was close at all -- leonard refused the champioship length match - insisted on a ballroom sized ring -- and did just that -- 90% of his punches were pitty pat trash -- plus he was exhausted at the end of the fight - hagler would have smushed him in the last 3 rounds of a 15 rounder -- the idea that some gave leonard 10 rounds is ridiculous -- no way sugar ray rabbit won that fight - i quit watching boxing altogether after that --
@@jimnagel5611 If you notice in their fight Leonard done weak ass flurry punches last few seconds of the rounds to catch the judges eye.. Haglar won IMO
indeed - i've watched it start to finish 3 times & i have no idea how anyone could even say it was close -- leonard ran away from him the entire fight -- you dont take a guy like haglers crown from him like that -- now if leonard had run & beat him up like ali used to that would be different -- nothing close to that happened -- he just ran - worst robbery in boxing i ever saw@@jerrycoleman6910
Two greats, hands down. Whilst I felt then and still do now, that Ray did not beat Hagler that day, he didnt lose the fight, it was a draw which would have been the right and respectful result for them and us, I love them both and will not separate them - two genuine warriors and legends of a hard and brutal sport.
Marvin Hagler best Leonard, He landed More Punches than Leonard and He dominated the Fight!!. , I agree. Leonard didn't want a Rematch because He knew Hagler would beat him again and knock him out this Time!!😀🥊🥊👍
Hagler gave him too much respect and he did not press enough. It was a close fight and almost too close to call. It was the flurries at the end of the rounds that gave Ray a few close rounds that gave him that little edge. Ray wanted no rematch for Hagler would have eaten him up.
Yeah, I love Ray but after hearing his plan behind his first win to duran & how he waited until the right time for Hagler made me not look at him the same. He's still an amazing skilled fighter & one of the greatest but I just can't see in the same as I did before.
@@Bankai_Musashi1 💯 still my fave fighter after Ali, and Robinson. To me he had all the talent to beat them all and indeed he did, but I think he became too much of a businessman towards the end and it made him look slightly cowardly. When I think he was just trying to play hard to get, just to get a bigger bag.
exactly, seems like for MANY years after that fight Hagler wouldve said yes to smash Rays face in. he really wanted to hurt Ray for all the trolling shit he did @@Bankai_Musashi1
@@anz2441This is reminding me of Rocky and Apollo: "There Ain't gonna be a rematch"x2 "Don't want one!" 😂 th-cam.com/video/a_0clrUcZis/w-d-xo.htmlsi=hGKaAjOiboj8mofY
@@JPatelLive Ray knew that inna rematch, MMH would get smaller ring and come for blood. Hagler shoulda pushed for rematch without ray getting belt's 1st. MMH was true champ !!
I would rate Hagler as the best middleweight of all time. The fact that Leonard was still standing at the end made it a brilliant tactical performance.
You don't WTF you're talking about! Don't know sh1t about boxing. Hagler as the best middleweight of all time? GTFOH!! Ever heard of Sugar Ray Robinson? Ever heard of Harry Greb? Ever heard of Jake LaMotta? Ever heard of Bernard Hopkins? Ever heard of Roy Jones Jr? Hagler is not even top-5 all time. Hagler was great, no doubt. But Hagler was also sour grapes by his own hand. Hagler is the one who agreed, without any need to, and allow Ray Leonard to have all the advantages before the fight in 1987: bigger glove size, less rounds (from 15 to 12) and much bigger ring size. Hagler thought he could beat Leonard no matter what. And that hubris cost him the title. And the saddest part: Hagler complained about the decision the rest of his life! Joke!! Hagler should have not agreed to any advantages to Leonard and he would have won the fight. Hagler's fault and he couldn't admit to it!
It was a brilliance strategy all around. Ray challenged Hagler after a brutal fight vs Mugabi that took a lot out of Hagler. He was 32 years old, already had 66 fight to Leonards 35. He requested a bigger ring and made sure to use every inch of it.
Gotta love these guys. As fans with the four at the height of their power together in the mid 80's we were spoiled. Not seen before or since with four legends all being willing to fight each other during that period.
@@jamescaleb9676 did you watch the interview? Marvin never said that they didn't agree to a one and done after Sugar said it. He wouldn't have had to chase him for the rematch if a rematch was in the contract....
@@JEWinTx ray did NOT retire after this. he sat out until hagler was firmly retired and then much later he said he wanted to fight hagler again. hagler had been sitting around not training, was old, and was acting so he said no. basically, ray only wants to fight if everything is in his favor. he was shameless that way. I'll fight you but everything has to be in my favor and then if i win i'll say its because i'm so much better than you and i would win everytime no matter waht etc etc. this childish nonsense works everytime on gullible boxing fans.
Hagler just didn't do enough in the fight with Ray, very close at the end, but on the night he couldn't just quiet catch him. Maybe he would of won the next fight, who knows? Ray connected with the cleaner punches in my opinion. Both great fighters, win or lose.
Finally!!! someone who knows what they were looking at, thank you!!! SR out punched him, out boxed, IMO it wasn't close, the split decision was a joke, they didn't want to embarrass Hagler I suppose, nobody throws them hands like the sugar man.
Ray outboxed him yes but who landed the harder punches ? who was the more agressive fighter ? I think Ray was barely standing at the end of the fight. Both were champions that night.
LOVE THIS. We need more content of this late 80's Sugar Ray Leonard era. Can we get more Behind the scenes, Weigh Ins, Sparring and rare interviews around Leaonard vs Hearns II, Lalonde fight, Duran III.
Sugar Ray outlanded Marvin and was the more accurate fighter. Ppl always want to highlight “the pitty pat” punches but regardless, Ray was scoring. You win boxing matches off points.
Leonard was stinging him with every combination & stopping him in his tracks, otherwise Hagler woulda walked through him n Haglered him. There was no Pitty Patting, it was a masterclass of combination punching & ringcraft.
This has to be one of the worst stories in sports history. Hearns was denied a shot to fight for a belt for the longest time, once he became a champion, a great one btw, they went ahead and did thus. This fight at least was a draw but Leonard didn’t win , he barely escaped a shameful loss. He was honest he didn’t want part of Marvin, so Marvin retired. They doubled jabbed him, they took his carrier and many years later after he left the country they took his life. Shoutout to the plan-D
Look at the class and maturity of these men at only 32 and 30 years of age. They played the hand they were dealt in life so well... They meant what they said and said what they meant. No false hype. Real life tough guys. They deserve 1000% of the flowers they receive.
I’ll never forget that fight. Hagler should have made Leonard sign for a 15 round fight…l was gripping my seat in the closed circuit arena in Oakland. During the middle of that fight, my fight fan buddy leaned over to me and said, “Leonard is winning the fight”. I said, “l know”. He said, “ but l think Hagler is gonna knock him out”…l said, “me too”. Immediately after the fight, Leonard said, “this was the greatest accomplishment of my life”. Great times, great fights…thanks for the memories.
Leonard finished Hearns & Bentiez in the 14 rd & fought Duran to a standstill over 15 rds. Hagler gassed & only managed a draw with Antufermo over 15 rds then he made hard work of scraping past a faded but tricky Duran over 15 rds. Theres a very good reason why Hagler wanted no part of Leonard over 15 rds.
@@SPIDERM0OSE Vito Antuofermo was his 1st championship fight, Vito was a tough cookie no shame in both these guys fighting to a standstill. Against RD he just waited till he was sure he was safe to step on the gas and overpower him. Over 15 rounds RL would have been there, he was a monster in the ring, I think MMH would get to him eventually or just grind him down like RD.
@@SPIDERM0OSE I’m very aware of that, but those other guys, were at welterweight, and Leonard was younger. Leonard was spent after that 12 round fight. I’m not taking anything away from Leonard who won the fight.
@@TomLyden-dt2ey Yer living in dream land talking about fights you obviously never seen, at least not when they happened. Duran NEVER, not in any of their 3 fights even came close to grinding Leonard down & only their first fight went 15 rds in which Duran won a VERY CLOSE decision, every round was razor close & every rd was action packed. Not ONCE in his entire career did Hagler show the ability to perform at that level of intensity over 15 rds, & I cited his gas failure vs Vito at the championship level & now Im gonna cite his gas tank spluttering vs the big unbeaten Venezuelan "Obel" first time around, he won, he stopped him but he didnt look good doing it, those who kno, KNOW. Im not saying Hagler had suspect stamina, Im saying that Leonard PROVED, time & time again, that over 15 rounds there isnt a champion in any era who could out fight him, something Hagler failed to PROVE. He waited vs Duran because he was in danger of getting EMBARRASSED. He prepared for one guy & another guy showed up. Duran was being tricky, timing him n countering him & Hagler tasted those hands of stone & knew he was in bother. It was tactically & technically a very good fight by both men but it was the debut of CRAFTY VETERAN Duran, it wasn't the demonic, unholy terror who unified the LW Title then moved up n destroyed former champ Polomino then fought Leonard to a standstill. It wasn't even the Duran who lost a decision to Benitez. The Duran who got the decision over Leonard was the absolute best version of Duran that we ever seen & that guy maybe finishes Hagler over 15 rds. That guy puts Hearns on the back foot like Hagler did n maybe even gets him outa there in 3 like Hagler did, that guy was a DEMON, but that isnt the guy who Hagler went the distance with n had to work like hell to get there against, it was a slower more calculated less devastating version of Duran. Over 15 rds, you have to start talking about Sugar Ray Robinson if yer gonna start speculating about who could maybe beat Leonard, & ONLY Sugar Ray Robinson.
@@AJMPOPS Leonard was gassed after 6 rds in that fight, Hagler was gassed after 9 rds. Leonard beat Hagler with pure heart, skill & ring-craft. An active, match fit Leonard with no ring rust gets Hagler outa there over 15 rds & he proved as much in their 12 rd fight & he proved as much vs UNDEFEATED, reigning champions Benitiz & Hearns. Sugar Ray Leonard is unrivalled since his first to his last title on the p4p list, only Roy Jones even gets close to entering the conversation but Roy never fought in a 15 rdr. Leonard is top 3 all time, & he is #1 in the modern era (since 1980) which arguably makes him #1 ALL TIME.
Look, As MMH said at the end of the fight, "It's Vegas man." The money was clearly on Hagler and as the old saying goes, "The House ALWAYS wins." Any TRUE boxing fan knows that you don't strip a title from a Champion if the opponent runs from him the entire fight and then ends every round with pitty patty punches to try and steal the round which, is exactly what SRL did. SRL didn't have the balls to face MMH again because he knew what the outcome of that rematch would've been. I've always like SRL but the greatest Middleweight of ALL TIME is and was Marvelous Marvin Hagler.
@@richardcourtney1424 Harry Greb, and Tiger Flowers are considered by many to be greater than BOTH. Hagler revered Monzon and didn't fight him only because Monzon retired. They BOTH dominated during their title reigns but Hagler would've had a longer one had not so many top middleweights ducked him for years. As you can see I've done my homework. You got your opinion and I've got mine and as the old saying goes, "Opinions are like a-holes....."
Ray hung with Hagler but that doesn't mean he won the fight. In my opinion, Ray did not do enough to dominate the fight and decisively take the belt from Hagler. A rematch would have solved all of those problems. Ray didn't want the smoke from Hagler in a second fight. He kept trying to side step the discussion in front of Hagler about a rematch. Hagler would've laid hands on him in a 15 round fight.
I’ve watched the fight dozens of times. And every time I watch it. I score it for Hagler. Leonard was wise not having a rematch ( Hagler was the rematch king ) there would have been No coming out orthodox, Marvin would have been vicious from the start. Sugar ray Leonard was great. But Marvellous Marvin Hagler, was the Epitome of a True CHAMPION :
Was young and saw this at a theater for the closed circuit. It was tremendous. After the fight, no one really lost from the fans perspective. A police officer questioned me outside the theater asking how the fight went. I told him it was just a stupendous fight. IMHO, Hagler edged it out but here we are right here with over 1,000 comments still debating two of the greatest fighters of any generation. How about that? RIP Marvelous Marvin Hagler. We love you!
Amen...... i guess thr people who says Hagler won ,are the ones who see pressure as more important than clean punches......i simpatize with hagler because he didnt get his rematch.......and for me is a stain in Leonard career,because he got his rematch with Duran and knew how important it was........he was definitely scared of hagler.......
I watched the fight in '87, and I thought Hagler won the decision. Two of the Judges had the fight seven rounds to five, one Judge giving Leonard the advantage and the other giving it to Hagler. But one of the Judges, named Guerra if I am not mistaken, saw the match as 10 rounds for Leonard and two for Hagler. Which led many observers to opine that this third judge was in the pocket of the bookmakers who were stuck with the lion's share of the Leonard bets in the fight. Had the fight been held anywhere that gambling was not legal, Hagler likely would have been judged to be the winner by split decision. It was a close fight, but Hagler was the aggressor, he hit harder, and it seemed like he landed more effective punches. This was the second fight in Leonard's career that he got lucky. The other was the first Hearns fight in '81, where Hearns had the fight won coming into the 13th, all he had to do was stay away from Leonard for three rounds and Hearns would have been the champion. But foolishly, he under-estimated how much gas Leonard had left in his tank, Leonard hurt him in the13th and unleashed a barrage on him in the14th that caused the referee to stop the fight. Hearns was stupid not to fight a defensive fight for the last three rounds instead of trying to win with an exclammation point. And the referee Pearl was typical of referees who did Leonard fights, they favored Leonard because he was the darling of the boxing industry at the time who sold a lot of pay-per-view subscriptions. Not to say that Leonard's fights were fixed, but rather whenever Judges and Referees could tilt the outcome in Leonard's favor, it seems they were encouraged to do so by the promoters because Leonard was good for a lot of people's wallets in boxing. And because Leonard was a great boxer, they could make any favoritism look like a legitimate outcome. The two fights I mention above were the paradigm examples of this phenomenon.
@@emmanuelguzman7868 it cant be a robbery, just a hard fight to score. some people ive seen had 118-110 scorecards for both. i gave it to hagler 116-112. But no blame on people thinking leonard won
I think a draw would of been a fair result. It’s not certian Marvin won, winning isn’t defined by coming foward and being the “brawler” or “in fighter”. It was incredibly close so due to respect should’ve been a draw.
Hagler...didn't deserve to lose his belt to patty cake flurry of blows that did zero damage at the end of those last few rounds...other than to apparently, sway the judges. Had it gone 15 rounds...Sugar would have been laid out.
@@BrotherPatriot It has nothing to do with "deserve" the rules of boxing applies to Hagler as well as everybody else. If a judge puts apart the rules because he thinks a boxer doesnt deserve to lose that way, he shouldnt be a judge. Ray beat Hagler according to the RULES OF BOXING, which do not state anywhere that a champ should win just because he is the champ and the agressor in the fight.
@@Boxing_Gamer It was well known for a long time back in the past...that to beat the Champion you had to definitively beat them. Then...things changed and BS like this began to reign. Hence the world we now live in. No...Sugar didn't deserve that win...in the opinion of many of us and to even think that boxing isn't corrupt...well, History proves to us that it is. Hagler didn't deserve to lose his belt...Sugar managed to get his "conditions" put into the fight (12 rounds instead of 15, a big ring to run in, etc.). Had the fight gone 15 rounds as a champion fight is supposed to be, Sugar would have been laid out. Why didn't Sugar do a rematch? Yeah...we know why and so does he.
Yes and it's one of the reasons Mayweather stayed undefeated, he took every little advantage he could get. No way he would have accepted a bigger ring, bigger gloves and 12 rounds, like Hagler did. But Hagler had to say yes because Leonard was the only big money fight out there.
@@anz2441 lol that’s taking him lightly. He was the champion. He was joking about Ray on the tonight show with Johnny Carson . Came out orthodox in the beginning of the fight.
@@johnny6610 Ego plays into it yes...all u need to know is this, after srl beat hearns in 81...he went 5-3 ! He lost to hearns 2nd time no doubt. That record post 81 hearns fight is pathetic !!
As of today Ray Leonard looks and talks younger than his 67 Year's. In great shape he talks perfectly intelligently Thomas hearns is hard to understand hagler is dead. Many fighters much younger than him are dead. His only losses were to Roberto Duran Terry Norris on points .and Hector Camacho he was stopped.
Sugar Ray was an absolute genius at promoting fights he knew he wouldn’t fight in. Think about it, Ray did this interview for absolutely nothing but good promo 😂😂😂
Ray was afraid to lose. True. But let's be honest, Hagler had the chance to beat Ray. He had him in front of him and didnt go smash him. In fact, Hagler looked lost in the ring at times. So, dont complaint later, he should have gone to knock out Ray but I think he felt Ray could hurt him. So, just take the lost and thats it.
1 - L 2 - L 3 - L 4 - L 5 - H 6 - L 7 - H 8 - H 9 - H 10 - H 11 - L 12 - H I rate it a tie. Hagler honestly dug his own grave accepting terms on the match that favored Leonard's style, and he gave away those first 4 rounds. Wasn't gonna happen again though, and Leonard definitely did not want a rematch.
@@Boxing_Gamer I think that the majority doesn't agree with you, Sugar or those corrupt judges. Reading the comments here on this page alone shows this.
@@Boxing_Gamer You are correct wrt the scoring shots landed. We all love Marvin due to his story and the great nights he gave us. I believe people's opinions on Sugar are clouded because of the nature of the win. I.e him fighting on the back foot for the majority of the fight. If he stood in the centre toe-to-toe from round 1 to 12 then there would be more acceptance of the decision. Sugar would receive more respect. Compare this Tommy Hearns. Despite Marvin blasting him out, no one ever looked down on him after this defeat. Partly due to the fact that he went to war with Marvin.
Most credible observers thought Hagler won, and while it was a big spectacle and a good fight, it was nowhere near being a great fight, let alone one of the greatest fights in history. They were both legends, but by 1987 they were both past their primes, and Leonard demanded an extra large ring and extra padded gloves knowing he was going to run for 12 rounds and throw flurries of pitter-patter punches in the last 30 seconds to try and steal rounds. Hagler was slow and Leonard was always defensive. Now if they had met around 1983 and Leonard never had a detached retina, THAT probably would have been a great fight. However, Leonard never wanted to move up in weight to fight Hagler when Hagler was on top of his game, and to be fair, Hagler never wanted to move up to fight Michael Spinks either, who was undefeated king of the 175 lb class by then.
I’ve watched this fight since being 6 years old… 100s of times. You don’t beat a champion by only fighting for 30 seconds at the end of each round, Sugar Ray should never of got the decision in that fight…. But he was smart and was well aware what he was doing, wouldn’t of lasted 3 rounds standing and trading with Hagler, Those 2 men should be top ten of any ones greatest boxers list. Legends…. R.I.P marvellous Marvin Hagler
If Hearns don't fight another stupid strategy. Use his length a box more. He was punched out after one round. Their fight is so overrated. One great round followed by 2 rounds of Hearns being a punching dummy.
I watched the fight live and though Leonard won in a close contest despite Hagler coming forward for most of it. I've re-watched it recently and the cleaner shots were definitely landed by Leonard. Leonard won the fight fair and square imo and it definitely wasn't a robbery. If they had fought again it could easily have been a different result though, as I feel Hagler would have been more aggressive and hunted Leonard down. Two of the greatest boxers who ever lived. In my lifetime they are at the top table with Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson, Lewis, and Duran.
Marvin never boxed somebody like Leonard, he never learned how to cut the ring off. Fight only got close because Sugar Ray got gassed fighting at that weight
Sugar came up in weight, let's not forget the long layoff he had. Hagler only stayed at middle weight, he never challenged a light heavy weight like a Michael Spinks, Matthew Saad Muhammad or others. Leonard, Hearns, Duran and Benitez all challenged themselves at heavier weights. Hagler never did. He was an all time great middleweight. The true greats move up in weight and are successful. Sugar Ray Leonard will always be an all time great in my book. He outsmarted Hagler, that's it.!!!!
@@frankbishop9115lol hagler at his worst let him pick the ring and glove size and every other detail Sugar ray leonard at his best went toba controversial décision against the worst version of hagler and he shamelessly ran away from the rematch What a rat
I still remember the HBO replay of the fight where Larry Merchant asked Leonard, "Did you say to Marvin, 'Marvin, you beat me'?" Leonard replied, "I would never lie to Marvin like that." 😂
Hagler absolutely won that fight with sugar. You have to definitively beat the champion and that did NOT happen. As a matter of fact...sugar basically ran from Marvin for the majority of it as it was ALWAYS Marvin being the aggressor. I don't blame Marvin for hanging up his glove due to that BS.
No where is in the rules does it say that you convincingly has to defeat the champion? defeat him should just be enough. Just walking forward missing roundhouses does not make you a winner.
@@Boxing_Gamer It's well known that was the way it USED to be. Draws went to the Champion...as it should...you had to definitively beat the Champion. Then...stupid crap like this started to happen more and more. Hagler won this fight and Sugar didn't rematch him because inside, he knew too.
@@jeremysipes44 Just sayin'...that in the old days it was common knowledge that a tie goes to the Champion. You had to definitively beat the Champ back then...the way it should be. Obviously...that mentality is not so much in today's slippery slope world. Hagler was walkin' in a circle because Sugar was so busy RUNNING.
Truly the greatest Middle weight Champion of all time Marvelous Marvin Hagler It would have taken a Sugar Ray Robinson to Truly whip Marvelous, if it could have even been done Thumbs up, subbed
0:25 alot of people know Marvin won that fight. But Vegas' man won. And coming from Ray's mouth, he only waited till Marvin said,"He doesn't have it anymore."
Hagler would have lost in a rematch. By this point in his career, he had slowed down and couldn’t get his punches off like a few years before. That’s why Leonard chose to fight him; he noticed that after Hagler’s match with Mugabi and he saw the opportune moment to set a fight with him.
Exactly. Marvin was there to be taken - with exactly the right strategy. SRL was fresher by miles. Hagler’s naive trainers were no help either - their poor decisions and compromises played a big and overlooked part- but Marvin is waay too loyal to even see that 😯
I forget the saying when you finally meet one of your heroes. I loved hagler until I met him. That said he lost that fight. I had money on him. I was so disappointed and I couldn't believe how much he missed when he was just swinging at Ray! Rematch I think it would have been different
@@norvelwhite3811 I wouldn't say bad guy... not very social, case in point in the early 2000s I went to the Boxing Hall of Fame in New York it's a very intimate event from Johnny Tapia to the Spinks Brothers Winky Wright they are there to take pictures shake hands whatever when marvelous entered the room people would call his name forget about requesting an autograph most Fighters are there to take pictures with the individuals he wouldn't even look in anyone's Direction, from black, white young or old well at least he was consistent. I recall sitting at the bar by Leon Spinks he offered to buy me a drink ( he was giving my Filipino girlfriend a hard time she was scared of him he's a character) I said nah I got you OG paid for the drink & walked away
Never saw this interview between these guys before, truly class fighters. I’ve seen the fight a few times, have to be honest Ray didn’t do enough to win the fight. If anything it was a draw and respect for Marvin wanting a rematch he new he was robbed, great fighters from a great era
@@Matthaeus0 Yup...he would be a contender. So many greats back in History. Joe's 25 heavy weight title defenses with 21 knockouts and holding the belt continuously for darn near 12 years, however...is a feat that will never be broken much less equaled. ;) We all have our favorites. :D
@@Matthaeus0nope your wrong, Joe Louis was the daddy of all fighters that came after him. He had everything and was the most technically sound HW and most vicious ever. He made the guy you call p4p best ever carry his gym bag
Hagler would have done what he should have the first time he would have come out south paw pressed Leonard from the word go and beat him from pillar to post
the rabbit would not go 15 rounds & insisted on a ballroom sized ring to dance in - which is exactly what he did -- to say he won that fight is disgraceful @@UpChuckTheBoogie
@@tf9402 Absolutely...Marvin won. Hands down...and chased Sugar all night long. The Champion...was NOT definitively beaten that night. A draw should have been the best Sugar got out of that...definitely NOT the belt.
It was a split decision reflecting how close the fight was, and the judge who scored it to Leonard by 8 rounds should never have been allowed to judge again. The right thing to do would have been an immediate rematch to decide once and for all who was best, and I can’t believe Hagler’s people didn’t negotiate a rematch clause. If they had fought again then I think Hagler would’ve found a way to win, just as he did when he reversed every the other blemish on his record.
I watched that fight live, and they cheated Hagler. Ray ran most of every round, then stole rounds with 10 secs left in the rounds he won. The media and judges didn't like Hagler because he wasn't the type of good ol boy Ray was.
Hagler was a machine. RIP
LEGENDS NEVER DIE
Sugar Ray won.
@platano3000x Sugar avoided a rematch and smart enough to stay away!
@@HeelsFan1967 He did! Although he ran from rematch request!
Hayes Home Brick city stand up. Great boxer!
“I dont need no tune up” - Marvin Hagler
1987 or 1988... Yesterday, and long time ago in a way.
No ridiculous hair and clothing style, no tatoos, no scripted trash talking or pre fight brawl....
Just class.
What difference does hair, clothes, or tattoos make?
@@elijahthurston4000no need to look different to be different…you stand out by what’s inside not what’s outside
Classy & professional boxers. Yet warriors as well.
So nostalgic.
@elijahthurston4000 u heard the saying that Clothes make the man
@@daveyboy_ I have not I might be too young for that one
Post more Marvin Hagler content, the new generation needs to know what a real fighter looks like!
Damn straight. 👍
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Yeah right ? Let's show these youngsters what a great boxer Hagler was
1 Million per cent right !! Superb !
@@Robert-qm5soNever was knocked off his feet throughout a sublime career, the one time officially recorded against him as a "knockdown" is still mired in controversy.
He formally adopted and officially changed his name to "Marvelous" when a ring official amateurishly (no pun intended) insisted, "His name is [plain] Marvin Hagler!" 'nuff said.
Great interview, Ray wanted no part of a rematch because he knew Marvin’s immaculate record on rematch, every fighter he rematched he knocked out Ray Seals, Bobby Watts, Monroe etc, he was also smart enough to realise he couldn’t beat Marvin twice
Well said... I still say Hagler won that fight. I've watched it several times and scored it for Hagler and even scored it a draw.
Let some people tell it, Leonard whipped Hagler's ass. Others say Leonard outclassed him clearly. Yourself, me and others say otherwise that Hagler won. @@mrray6983
@@mrray6983Strange how that happens. I've watched it at least a dozen times and scored it a draw 2 times and 10 for Hagler but I never scored all of the rounds consistently. Strange fight. I guess all we can say now is RIP Marvelous we love you and miss you.
Especially Since He Didn't Win The First Fight Against The Greatest Fighter Of AllTime
Marvelous Haglar. 👍
He didn't beat him even once.
Two of the finest boxers ever.. Just love it
Two legends! Thank you warriors for the great memories
Hagler looked very angry
Marvin Hagler should be very angry.
Sore loser, that's all.
Aye...and he had every reason to be...having his belt stolen from him w/that BS decision win.
can't blame him, i hate Ray.
Of course Ray was the Golden boy very marketable, personable, well spoken...but lost!
"I don't need no tune up, I'm ready"
Marvelous The Greatest
Ray got the win and he ran to the hills in regarding to Hagler. He never wanted a rematch with the Marvelous one ☝️
...and we know why.
U crazy this man was not scared 😂😂
@@JovhonteFirstOfHisName Stevie Wonder could see that Ray was scared. Stop being delusional
Ray only won paper he def lost that fight the same with the rematch with hearns its sickening that they tried to made hagler out like the big bad villain when he was a gentlemen and leonard like the golden boy
Ray the smaller man Hagler shouldn't have let it go that way
Ray was on his bicycle that whole fight, and never hurt Marvin, on the other hand, Marvin punished Ray with body shots all fight and won rounds more decisively than Leonard!
Exactly. That's all the black fighters do is run all night. The Mexican fighter really won the fight. Mexicans never run and always go toe to toe. Mexicans are warriors and the most exciting fighters in boxing history. Canelo would beat both easy. Mexicans run boxing and always have
It was a closer match than ppl remember but I thought Hagler won. Ray most DEFINITELY didn’t want to see him again lmao. 2 legends!!!
i didnt think it was close at all -- leonard refused the champioship length match - insisted on a ballroom sized ring -- and did just that -- 90% of his punches were pitty pat trash -- plus he was exhausted at the end of the fight - hagler would have smushed him in the last 3 rounds of a 15 rounder -- the idea that some gave leonard 10 rounds is ridiculous -- no way sugar ray rabbit won that fight - i quit watching boxing altogether after that --
@@jimnagel5611 If you notice in their fight Leonard done weak ass flurry punches last few seconds of the rounds to catch the judges eye.. Haglar won IMO
Hagler won the fight.
indeed - i've watched it start to finish 3 times & i have no idea how anyone could even say it was close -- leonard ran away from him the entire fight -- you dont take a guy like haglers crown from him like that -- now if leonard had run & beat him up like ali used to that would be different -- nothing close to that happened -- he just ran - worst robbery in boxing i ever saw@@jerrycoleman6910
@@Troops-y6hcorrect, the judges remember the last 30 seconds leaves an impression on them
Two greats, hands down. Whilst I felt then and still do now, that Ray did not beat Hagler that day, he didnt lose the fight, it was a draw which would have been the right and respectful result for them and us, I love them both and will not separate them - two genuine warriors and legends of a hard and brutal sport.
All this show Was fix,
Marvin Hagler best Leonard, He landed More Punches than Leonard and He dominated the Fight!!. , I agree. Leonard didn't want a Rematch because He knew Hagler would beat him again and knock him out this Time!!😀🥊🥊👍
Hagler gave him too much respect and he did not press enough. It was a close fight and almost too close to call. It was the flurries at the end of the rounds that gave Ray a few close rounds that gave him that little edge. Ray wanted no rematch for Hagler would have eaten him up.
@@RR-kb2ks doing the “shoe-shine” in the last 10 sec of every round does not equate to a draw! They robbed Marvelous!
@@RR-kb2ks kinda hard for Marvin to fight when pretty boy ran most of the fight!
I think this tarnished Ray’s reputation a little. He should have morally given this man a rematch
Yeah, I love Ray but after hearing his plan behind his first win to duran & how he waited until the right time for Hagler made me not look at him the same. He's still an amazing skilled fighter & one of the greatest but I just can't see in the same as I did before.
@@Bankai_Musashi1 💯 still my fave fighter after Ali, and Robinson. To me he had all the talent to beat them all and indeed he did, but I think he became too much of a businessman towards the end and it made him look slightly cowardly. When I think he was just trying to play hard to get, just to get a bigger bag.
Leonard tried to get Hagler to agree to a rematch, but Marvin refused.
@@b1j1b1 stop lying, Marvin never would've refused boy
exactly, seems like for MANY years after that fight Hagler wouldve said yes to smash Rays face in. he really wanted to hurt Ray for all the trolling shit he did @@Bankai_Musashi1
At least Ray was honest about needing a tune up.
He didn't need a tuneup 1st time around ! Srl is a coward !
@@anz2441 nah brotha sugar beat him faire and square
@@Killer_Saul444 ray shoeshine lol..that fight was a draw ! Shoulda been a rematch.
@@anz2441This is reminding me of Rocky and Apollo: "There Ain't gonna be a rematch"x2
"Don't want one!" 😂 th-cam.com/video/a_0clrUcZis/w-d-xo.htmlsi=hGKaAjOiboj8mofY
@@JPatelLive Ray knew that inna rematch, MMH would get smaller ring and come for blood. Hagler shoulda pushed for rematch without ray getting belt's 1st. MMH was true champ !!
Never seen this clip until now. Great.
I would rate Hagler as the best middleweight of all time. The fact that Leonard was still standing at the end made it a brilliant tactical performance.
You don't WTF you're talking about! Don't know sh1t about boxing. Hagler as the best middleweight of all time? GTFOH!! Ever heard of Sugar Ray Robinson? Ever heard of Harry Greb? Ever heard of Jake LaMotta? Ever heard of Bernard Hopkins? Ever heard of Roy Jones Jr? Hagler is not even top-5 all time. Hagler was great, no doubt. But Hagler was also sour grapes by his own hand. Hagler is the one who agreed, without any need to, and allow Ray Leonard to have all the advantages before the fight in 1987: bigger glove size, less rounds (from 15 to 12) and much bigger ring size. Hagler thought he could beat Leonard no matter what. And that hubris cost him the title. And the saddest part: Hagler complained about the decision the rest of his life! Joke!! Hagler should have not agreed to any advantages to Leonard and he would have won the fight. Hagler's fault and he couldn't admit to it!
It was a brilliance strategy all around. Ray challenged Hagler after a brutal fight vs Mugabi that took a lot out of Hagler. He was 32 years old, already had 66 fight to Leonards 35. He requested a bigger ring and made sure to use every inch of it.
What about Sugar Ray Robinson and Carlos Monzon?
Ray Robinson number one.@@joekavanagh7171
@@joekavanagh7171 I typed the same thing, but he deleted that comment. What a sore loser!
Gotta love these guys. As fans with the four at the height of their power together in the mid 80's we were spoiled. Not seen before or since with four legends all being willing to fight each other during that period.
Great upload. Easily two of my favorites and all time greats. They don't make'em like these guys anymore. RIP MMH
Two real gentlemen of the sport. Very classy world class superb athletes. RIP to the great Marvelous Marvin Hagler
there is nothing classy about ray here. what if duran had refused him a rematch? ray is a hypocrite and not a good person at all.
@@jamescaleb9676 I feel you. But Ray said they both agreed it was one fight and one fight only and Marvin didn't dispute it. Square business
@@JEWinTx what do you mean he didn't dispute it? hagler chased Leanord for a year trying to get a rematch.
@@jamescaleb9676 did you watch the interview? Marvin never said that they didn't agree to a one and done after Sugar said it. He wouldn't have had to chase him for the rematch if a rematch was in the contract....
@@JEWinTx ray did NOT retire after this. he sat out until hagler was firmly retired and then much later he said he wanted to fight hagler again. hagler had been sitting around not training, was old, and was acting so he said no. basically, ray only wants to fight if everything is in his favor. he was shameless that way. I'll fight you but everything has to be in my favor and then if i win i'll say its because i'm so much better than you and i would win everytime no matter waht etc etc. this childish nonsense works everytime on gullible boxing fans.
The mind games from Leonard just never stopped…and it drove Hagler crazy.
Hagler was wound tightly. If it wasn't Leonard annoying him it woulda been someone else.
Ain't that the truth! Hablar got his chance and blew it. Nobody's fault but his.
@@brocklanders3616Not his fault that the judges were incompetent and didn’t know how to score fights lmao
@@handzofstone1152it was a very close fight, don't act like Hagler won convincingly. I had it a draw.
Two guys with absolute disdain for each other but kept it absolutely professional. These are real pros .
Hagler just didn't do enough in the fight with Ray, very close at the end, but on the night he couldn't just quiet catch him. Maybe he would of won the next fight, who knows? Ray connected with the cleaner punches in my opinion. Both great fighters, win or lose.
Finally!!! someone who knows what they were looking at, thank you!!! SR out punched him, out boxed, IMO it wasn't close, the split decision was a joke, they didn't want to embarrass Hagler I suppose, nobody throws them hands like the sugar man.
Ray outboxed him yes but who landed the harder punches ? who was the more agressive fighter ? I think Ray was barely standing at the end of the fight. Both were champions that night.
@@toxicepsilon6318 Subjective reasoning won't help Hagler, nobody...I mean nobody, throw them hands like the sugar man
Hagler lost the fight in the first 5 rounds. He created a hill to big to climb without a knockdown or knockout.
I AGREE SRL WON TO FAST FOR HAGLER
LOVE THIS. We need more content of this late 80's Sugar Ray Leonard era. Can we get more Behind the scenes, Weigh Ins, Sparring and rare interviews around Leaonard vs Hearns II, Lalonde fight, Duran III.
Hagler was giving of I'll-find-you-in-the-parking-lot energy. 😄
Sugar Ray outlanded Marvin and was the more accurate fighter. Ppl always want to highlight “the pitty pat” punches but regardless, Ray was scoring. You win boxing matches off points.
Leonard was stinging him with every combination & stopping him in his tracks, otherwise Hagler woulda walked through him n Haglered him. There was no Pitty Patting, it was a masterclass of combination punching & ringcraft.
Hagler was robbed
@@rayhall6520you're blind
@@SPIDERM0OSE all factual, and people forget that Ray took Hagler's best shots, went up a weight class and had no tune up.
@@renzopeterson153 I watched that fight over 100 times ….Hagler won that fight
This has to be one of the worst stories in sports history. Hearns was denied a shot to fight for a belt for the longest time, once he became a champion, a great one btw, they went ahead and did thus. This fight at least was a draw but Leonard didn’t win , he barely escaped a shameful loss. He was honest he didn’t want part of Marvin, so Marvin retired. They doubled jabbed him, they took his carrier and many years later after he left the country they took his life. Shoutout to the plan-D
When boxing had class. Legends 💪🏾💯
Zero class from Hagler- great fighter, bad loser.
Look at the class and maturity of these men at only 32 and 30 years of age. They played the hand they were dealt in life so well... They meant what they said and said what they meant. No false hype. Real life tough guys. They deserve 1000% of the flowers they receive.
I’ll never forget that fight.
Hagler should have made Leonard sign for a 15 round fight…l was gripping my seat in the closed circuit arena in Oakland.
During the middle of that fight, my fight fan buddy leaned over to me and said, “Leonard is winning the fight”. I said, “l know”.
He said, “ but l think Hagler is gonna knock him out”…l said, “me too”.
Immediately after the fight, Leonard said, “this was the greatest accomplishment of my life”.
Great times, great fights…thanks for the memories.
Leonard finished Hearns & Bentiez in the 14 rd & fought Duran to a standstill over 15 rds.
Hagler gassed & only managed a draw with Antufermo over 15 rds then he made hard work of scraping past a faded but tricky Duran over 15 rds.
Theres a very good reason why Hagler wanted no part of Leonard over 15 rds.
@@SPIDERM0OSE Vito Antuofermo was his 1st championship fight, Vito was a tough cookie no shame in both these guys fighting to a standstill. Against RD he just waited till he was sure he was safe to step on the gas and overpower him. Over 15 rounds RL would have been there, he was a monster in the ring, I think MMH would get to him eventually or just grind him down like RD.
@@SPIDERM0OSE I’m very aware of that, but those other guys, were at welterweight, and Leonard was younger.
Leonard was spent after that 12 round fight.
I’m not taking anything away from Leonard who won the fight.
@@TomLyden-dt2ey
Yer living in dream land talking about fights you obviously never seen, at least not when they happened.
Duran NEVER, not in any of their 3 fights even came close to grinding Leonard down & only their first fight went 15 rds in which Duran won a VERY CLOSE decision, every round was razor close & every rd was action packed.
Not ONCE in his entire career did Hagler show the ability to perform at that level of intensity over 15 rds, & I cited his gas failure vs Vito at the championship level & now Im gonna cite his gas tank spluttering vs the big unbeaten Venezuelan "Obel" first time around, he won, he stopped him but he didnt look good doing it, those who kno, KNOW. Im not saying Hagler had suspect stamina, Im saying that Leonard PROVED, time & time again, that over 15 rounds there isnt a champion in any era who could out fight him, something Hagler failed to PROVE.
He waited vs Duran because he was in danger of getting EMBARRASSED. He prepared for one guy & another guy showed up. Duran was being tricky, timing him n countering him & Hagler tasted those hands of stone & knew he was in bother.
It was tactically & technically a very good fight by both men but it was the debut of CRAFTY VETERAN Duran, it wasn't the demonic, unholy terror who unified the LW Title then moved up n destroyed former champ Polomino then fought Leonard to a standstill. It wasn't even the Duran who lost a decision to Benitez. The Duran who got the decision over Leonard was the absolute best version of Duran that we ever seen & that guy maybe finishes Hagler over 15 rds. That guy puts Hearns on the back foot like Hagler did n maybe even gets him outa there in 3 like Hagler did, that guy was a DEMON, but that isnt the guy who Hagler went the distance with n had to work like hell to get there against, it was a slower more calculated less devastating version of Duran.
Over 15 rds, you have to start talking about Sugar Ray Robinson if yer gonna start speculating about who could maybe beat Leonard, & ONLY Sugar Ray Robinson.
@@AJMPOPS
Leonard was gassed after 6 rds in that fight, Hagler was gassed after 9 rds.
Leonard beat Hagler with pure heart, skill & ring-craft.
An active, match fit Leonard with no ring rust gets Hagler outa there over 15 rds & he proved as much in their 12 rd fight & he proved as much vs UNDEFEATED, reigning champions Benitiz & Hearns.
Sugar Ray Leonard is unrivalled since his first to his last title on the p4p list, only Roy Jones even gets close to entering the conversation but Roy never fought in a 15 rdr.
Leonard is top 3 all time, & he is #1 in the modern era (since 1980) which arguably makes him #1 ALL TIME.
Look, As MMH said at the end of the fight, "It's Vegas man." The money was clearly on Hagler and as the old saying goes, "The House ALWAYS wins." Any TRUE boxing fan knows that you don't strip a title from a Champion if the opponent runs from him the entire fight and then ends every round with pitty patty punches to try and steal the round which, is exactly what SRL did. SRL didn't have the balls to face MMH again because he knew what the outcome of that rematch would've been. I've always like SRL but the greatest Middleweight of ALL TIME is and was Marvelous Marvin Hagler.
CARLOS MONZON THE GREATEST MIDDLEWEIGHT. DO YOUR HOMEWORK. HAGLER WAS COLD BLOODED BUT HE DOES NOT BEAT MONZON.
@@richardcourtney1424 Harry Greb, and Tiger Flowers are considered by many to be greater than BOTH. Hagler revered Monzon and didn't fight him only because Monzon retired. They BOTH dominated during their title reigns but Hagler would've had a longer one had not so many top middleweights ducked him for years. As you can see I've done my homework. You got your opinion and I've got mine and as the old saying goes, "Opinions are like a-holes....."
Ray hung with Hagler but that doesn't mean he won the fight. In my opinion, Ray did not do enough to dominate the fight and decisively take the belt from Hagler. A rematch would have solved all of those problems. Ray didn't want the smoke from Hagler in a second fight. He kept trying to side step the discussion in front of Hagler about a rematch. Hagler would've laid hands on him in a 15 round fight.
They had gotten rid of 15 round fights in 1987.
I’ve watched the fight dozens of times. And every time I watch it.
I score it for Hagler.
Leonard was wise not having a rematch ( Hagler was the rematch king ) there would have been No coming out orthodox, Marvin would have been vicious from the start.
Sugar ray Leonard was great.
But Marvellous Marvin Hagler, was the Epitome of a True CHAMPION :
Agreed
Was young and saw this at a theater for the closed circuit. It was tremendous. After the fight, no one really lost from the fans perspective. A police officer questioned me outside the theater asking how the fight went. I told him it was just a stupendous fight. IMHO, Hagler edged it out but here we are right here with over 1,000 comments still debating two of the greatest fighters of any generation. How about that? RIP Marvelous Marvin Hagler. We love you!
I've watched this fight at least 20 times, and every time I watch It I see Ray being victorious.
Because he won
@@b1j1b1 Exactly my point.
Because you are a feeble man and not powerful like hacker therefore you back the man who hit and ran
Amen...... i guess thr people who says Hagler won ,are the ones who see pressure as more important than clean punches......i simpatize with hagler because he didnt get his rematch.......and for me is a stain in Leonard career,because he got his rematch with Duran and knew how important it was........he was definitely scared of hagler.......
Leonard tried to make the rematch. Hagler wasn't interested. @@lelloz7444
I watched the fight in '87, and I thought Hagler won the decision. Two of the Judges had the fight seven rounds to five, one Judge giving Leonard the advantage and the other giving it to Hagler. But one of the Judges, named Guerra if I am not mistaken, saw the match as 10 rounds for Leonard and two for Hagler. Which led many observers to opine that this third judge was in the pocket of the bookmakers who were stuck with the lion's share of the Leonard bets in the fight. Had the fight been held anywhere that gambling was not legal, Hagler likely would have been judged to be the winner by split decision. It was a close fight, but Hagler was the aggressor, he hit harder, and it seemed like he landed more effective punches.
This was the second fight in Leonard's career that he got lucky. The other was the first Hearns fight in '81, where Hearns had the fight won coming into the 13th, all he had to do was stay away from Leonard for three rounds and Hearns would have been the champion. But foolishly, he under-estimated how much gas Leonard had left in his tank, Leonard hurt him in the13th and unleashed a barrage on him in the14th that caused the referee to stop the fight.
Hearns was stupid not to fight a defensive fight for the last three rounds instead of trying to win with an exclammation point. And the referee Pearl was typical of referees who did Leonard fights, they favored Leonard because he was the darling of the boxing industry at the time who sold a lot of pay-per-view subscriptions. Not to say that Leonard's fights were fixed, but rather whenever Judges and Referees could tilt the outcome in Leonard's favor, it seems they were encouraged to do so by the promoters because Leonard was good for a lot of people's wallets in boxing. And because Leonard was a great boxer, they could make any favoritism look like a legitimate outcome. The two fights I mention above were the paradigm examples of this phenomenon.
Leonard couldn't even look Hagler in the eye. He knew Marvin won the fight. Biggest robbery in boxing history.
Biggest robbery in history? Have you watched boxing if you think that was the biggest robbery? Biggest exaggeration
It was a robbery straight up
Did you watch the video, he looked him in the eye and called him a bad sport.
@@emmanuelguzman7868 it cant be a robbery, just a hard fight to score. some people ive seen had 118-110 scorecards for both. i gave it to hagler 116-112. But no blame on people thinking leonard won
People talk all this shit about Mayweather but he immediately rematched any fight someone thought he lost
I think a draw would of been a fair result. It’s not certian Marvin won, winning isn’t defined by coming foward and being the “brawler” or “in fighter”. It was incredibly close so due to respect should’ve been a draw.
Hagler...didn't deserve to lose his belt to patty cake flurry of blows that did zero damage at the end of those last few rounds...other than to apparently, sway the judges.
Had it gone 15 rounds...Sugar would have been laid out.
Hearns verse Leonard 2 was a draw so I agree
@@BrotherPatriot It has nothing to do with "deserve" the rules of boxing applies to Hagler as well as everybody else. If a judge puts apart the rules because he thinks a boxer doesnt deserve to lose that way, he shouldnt be a judge. Ray beat Hagler according to the RULES OF BOXING, which do not state anywhere that a champ should win just because he is the champ and the agressor in the fight.
@@Boxing_Gamer
It was well known for a long time back in the past...that to beat the Champion you had to definitively beat them.
Then...things changed and BS like this began to reign.
Hence the world we now live in.
No...Sugar didn't deserve that win...in the opinion of many of us and to even think that boxing isn't corrupt...well, History proves to us that it is.
Hagler didn't deserve to lose his belt...Sugar managed to get his "conditions" put into the fight (12 rounds instead of 15, a big ring to run in, etc.). Had the fight gone 15 rounds as a champion fight is supposed to be, Sugar would have been laid out.
Why didn't Sugar do a rematch?
Yeah...we know why and so does he.
@@BrotherPatriot doesn't matter, unwritten rules are not real rules. Leonard beat him fair and square.
Hagler outsmarted by Leonard. Let that be a lesson to everyone, don’t accept stipulations and never take your opponent lightly.
Agreed
Yes and it's one of the reasons Mayweather stayed undefeated, he took every little advantage he could get. No way he would have accepted a bigger ring, bigger gloves and 12 rounds, like Hagler did. But Hagler had to say yes because Leonard was the only big money fight out there.
He never took him lightly however...he gave ray a big ring, big gloves and 12 rnds...he lost this fight in that regard. I saw a draw !
@@anz2441 lol that’s taking him lightly. He was the champion. He was joking about Ray on the tonight show with Johnny Carson . Came out orthodox in the beginning of the fight.
@@johnny6610 Ego plays into it yes...all u need to know is this, after srl beat hearns in 81...he went 5-3 ! He lost to hearns 2nd time no doubt. That record post 81 hearns fight is pathetic !!
As of today Ray Leonard looks and talks younger than his 67 Year's. In great shape he talks perfectly intelligently Thomas hearns is hard to understand hagler is dead. Many fighters much younger than him are dead. His only losses were to Roberto Duran Terry Norris on points .and Hector Camacho he was stopped.
Sugar Ray was an absolute genius at promoting fights he knew he wouldn’t fight in. Think about it, Ray did this interview for absolutely nothing but good promo 😂😂😂
Ray leonard didnt want that rematch because he knows damn well what happened in that first fight🤣 he took that robbery win and RAN!!!!🏃♂🏃♂🏃♂😂
Ray was afraid to lose. True. But let's be honest, Hagler had the chance to beat Ray. He had him in front of him and didnt go smash him. In fact, Hagler looked lost in the ring at times. So, dont complaint later, he should have gone to knock out Ray but I think he felt Ray could hurt him. So, just take the lost and thats it.
@@wilberduran9410Ray could hurt Hagler?? He’d break his fists before that 😂
@@wilberduran9410 how delusional, Hagler did win that fight, If he had got a rematch he would have definitely knocked out Leonard
Hagler Beat SRL in the first bout, respectfully.
Great interview, no trash talk. Just two classy gents.
Tension thicker than german guard dogs !!!
Thanks for the post, I never saw this back in the day
These 2 legends along with the hit man. What time in boxing that was ...
And Duran.
Thanks for the video, TOP RANK BOXING
Sogar Ray clearly didnt want another fight with The Marvelous one
Marvin was my all time favourite fighter. An absolute beast of a man.
Two Great Gentlemen's & Legend's 🥊👑☀️
Leonard would try and do the same thing he done in the first fight and run from Hagler all night just to survive
What a good interviewer
Yes, Tim Ryan
I'd say Tim Ryan is one of the most underrated sports announcers ever.
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I rate it a tie. Hagler honestly dug his own grave accepting terms on the match that favored Leonard's style, and he gave away those first 4 rounds.
Wasn't gonna happen again though, and Leonard definitely did not want a rematch.
Saying you beat him to his face knowing you got a gift decision is bad sportsmanship imo.
Agreed.
I generally like Sugar...but when it comes to his equation with Hagler...I loath Sugar's "victory".
It was complete BS.
I'm convinced Ray believes he won the fight. I believe so too.
@@Boxing_Gamer
I think that the majority doesn't agree with you, Sugar or those corrupt judges.
Reading the comments here on this page alone shows this.
@@BrotherPatriot punch stat agrees with me though 😂 those numbers are quite alot more reliable than fuming internet fanboys
@@Boxing_Gamer You are correct wrt the scoring shots landed.
We all love Marvin due to his story and the great nights he gave us.
I believe people's opinions on Sugar are clouded because of the nature of the win. I.e him fighting on the back foot for the majority of the fight.
If he stood in the centre toe-to-toe from round 1 to 12 then there would be more acceptance of the decision. Sugar would receive more respect.
Compare this Tommy Hearns.
Despite Marvin blasting him out, no one ever looked down on him after this defeat. Partly due to the fact that he went to war with Marvin.
Marvelous was robbed his whole career and everyone knew it. He wasn't considered the face of boxing at that time. They wanted the pretty boy Suga.
One of these guys was great, but the other was Marvelous. RIP Champ
Keep these gems coming TOP RANK!
Hagler wasn't busy enough. Leonard had the faster, cleaner shots and was busier.
Nuff said.
A whole lotta people still believe Marvelous Won....I'm still one of those people...truly one of the greatest fights in the history of the sport
Most credible observers thought Hagler won, and while it was a big spectacle and a good fight, it was nowhere near being a great fight, let alone one of the greatest fights in history. They were both legends, but by 1987 they were both past their primes, and Leonard demanded an extra large ring and extra padded gloves knowing he was going to run for 12 rounds and throw flurries of pitter-patter punches in the last 30 seconds to try and steal rounds. Hagler was slow and Leonard was always defensive. Now if they had met around 1983 and Leonard never had a detached retina, THAT probably would have been a great fight. However, Leonard never wanted to move up in weight to fight Hagler when Hagler was on top of his game, and to be fair, Hagler never wanted to move up to fight Michael Spinks either, who was undefeated king of the 175 lb class by then.
I’ve watched this fight since being 6 years old… 100s of times. You don’t beat a champion by only fighting for 30 seconds at the end of each round, Sugar Ray should never of got the decision in that fight…. But he was smart and was well aware what he was doing, wouldn’t of lasted 3 rounds standing and trading with Hagler, Those 2 men should be top ten of any ones greatest boxers list. Legends…. R.I.P marvellous Marvin Hagler
I woulda loved to see a Hagler vs Hearns rematch too.
Yeah
If Hearns don't fight another stupid strategy. Use his length a box more. He was punched out after one round. Their fight is so overrated. One great round followed by 2 rounds of Hearns being a punching dummy.
Is it me or does Sugar Ray get taller during the course of this interview
? 😂
I watched the fight live and though Leonard won in a close contest despite Hagler coming forward for most of it. I've re-watched it recently and the cleaner shots were definitely landed by Leonard. Leonard won the fight fair and square imo and it definitely wasn't a robbery. If they had fought again it could easily have been a different result though, as I feel Hagler would have been more aggressive and hunted Leonard down. Two of the greatest boxers who ever lived. In my lifetime they are at the top table with Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson, Lewis, and Duran.
Marvin never boxed somebody like Leonard, he never learned how to cut the ring off. Fight only got close because Sugar Ray got gassed fighting at that weight
Robbery
Sugar came up in weight, let's not forget the long layoff he had. Hagler only stayed at middle weight, he never challenged a light heavy weight like a Michael Spinks, Matthew Saad Muhammad or others. Leonard, Hearns, Duran and Benitez all challenged themselves at heavier weights. Hagler never did. He was an all time great middleweight. The true greats move up in weight and are successful. Sugar Ray Leonard will always be an all time great in my book. He outsmarted Hagler, that's it.!!!!
@@frankbishop9115lol hagler at his worst let him pick the ring and glove size and every other detail
Sugar ray leonard at his best went toba controversial décision against the worst version of hagler and he shamelessly ran away from the rematch
What a rat
Ray won the fight period.🥊
Marvelous Marvin won hands down😂
I still remember the HBO replay of the fight where Larry Merchant asked Leonard, "Did you say to Marvin, 'Marvin, you beat me'?" Leonard replied, "I would never lie to Marvin like that." 😂
Hagler absolutely won that fight with sugar.
You have to definitively beat the champion and that did NOT happen.
As a matter of fact...sugar basically ran from Marvin for the majority of it as it was ALWAYS Marvin being the aggressor.
I don't blame Marvin for hanging up his glove due to that BS.
No where is in the rules does it say that you convincingly has to defeat the champion? defeat him should just be enough. Just walking forward missing roundhouses does not make you a winner.
@@Boxing_Gamer
It's well known that was the way it USED to be.
Draws went to the Champion...as it should...you had to definitively beat the Champion.
Then...stupid crap like this started to happen more and more.
Hagler won this fight and Sugar didn't rematch him because inside, he knew too.
@@BrotherPatriot well had he won the discussion would just have been about how he only won because he was champion
So gift the Champion a decision?Utter craziness. It's effective aggressiveness too,not walking in a circle.
@@jeremysipes44
Just sayin'...that in the old days it was common knowledge that a tie goes to the Champion.
You had to definitively beat the Champ back then...the way it should be.
Obviously...that mentality is not so much in today's slippery slope world.
Hagler was walkin' in a circle because Sugar was so busy RUNNING.
Ray supplying the charisma and Marvin providing the menacing vibes
Ray didn't look too confident here and clearly didn't want a rematch, Hagler was ready and raring to go.
That’s usually how it works when one guy wants to avenge a loss
Great stuff 💯👑💪
Ray won history will show he got the decision .2 great legends 🙏
Truly the greatest Middle weight Champion of all time
Marvelous Marvin Hagler
It would have taken a Sugar Ray Robinson to Truly whip Marvelous, if it could have even been done
Thumbs up, subbed
0:25 alot of people know Marvin won that fight. But Vegas' man won. And coming from Ray's mouth, he only waited till Marvin said,"He doesn't have it anymore."
I don't respect Leonard for running in the fight AND from the rematch.
Hagler would have lost in a rematch. By this point in his career, he had slowed down and couldn’t get his punches off like a few years before. That’s why Leonard chose to fight him; he noticed that after Hagler’s match with Mugabi and he saw the opportune moment to set a fight with him.
Exactly. Marvin was there to be taken - with exactly the right strategy. SRL was fresher by miles. Hagler’s naive trainers were no help either - their poor decisions and compromises played a big and overlooked part- but Marvin is waay too loyal to even see that 😯
SRL looks bad because EVERYONE who saw the fight said Hagler won. He knows it, the world knows it.
I forget the saying when you finally meet one of your heroes. I loved hagler until I met him. That said he lost that fight. I had money on him. I was so disappointed and I couldn't believe how much he missed when he was just swinging at Ray! Rematch I think it would have been different
What happened was he really a bad guy or something.?
@@norvelwhite3811 I wouldn't say bad guy... not very social, case in point in the early 2000s I went to the Boxing Hall of Fame in New York it's a very intimate event from Johnny Tapia to the Spinks Brothers Winky Wright they are there to take pictures shake hands whatever when marvelous entered the room people would call his name forget about requesting an autograph most Fighters are there to take pictures with the individuals he wouldn't even look in anyone's Direction, from black, white young or old well at least he was consistent. I recall sitting at the bar by Leon Spinks he offered to buy me a drink ( he was giving my Filipino girlfriend a hard time she was scared of him he's a character) I said nah I got you OG paid for the drink & walked away
Was he rude to you or did he only make you lose money lol
Hagler felt he had nothing left to prove . And he didn't
Never saw this interview between these guys before, truly class fighters. I’ve seen the fight a few times, have to be honest Ray didn’t do enough to win the fight. If anything it was a draw and respect for Marvin wanting a rematch he new he was robbed, great fighters from a great era
Not rematching Hagler says it all. Leonard didn't want it.
Sugar Ray is a ducking legend.
Ray Leonard was a total gun who took on the toughest slate of opponents since Muhammad Ali. Leonard knew he was the best.
When He Was ALive He Should've Threatened To SUE THE COMMISSION 🤨🤨🤨 ???
ray leonard FEARED Marvin hagler!!!!!😤😤😤
ray was scared
Ray KO’d the hitman and is one of the best to ever do it. He wasn’t scared, but he knew that this was definitely not light water to tread in.
@@michaelterrell5061 its hagler kod hearns, hearns beat ray
@@adriangerman77Ray TKO’d Hearns first fight, Hearns beat Leonard second fight BUT a criminal draw was the decision.
Sugar Ray Leonard was never scared of any fighter in his life.
@@tom11zz884why he refused the rematch and fight other boxers
Hagler- "I don't need no tune up."
😂😂
The most complete fighter ever Sugar Ray Leonard
Ummm...no.
That actually would be the Great Joe Louis, the Brown Bomber.
(According to Ring Magazine...and me! LoL)
Nope, both of you are wrong. That would be the great OG Sugar Ray Robinson.
@@Matthaeus0
Yup...he would be a contender.
So many greats back in History.
Joe's 25 heavy weight title defenses with 21 knockouts and holding the belt continuously for darn near 12 years, however...is a feat that will never be broken much less equaled.
;)
We all have our favorites.
:D
That would be Duran !!
@@Matthaeus0nope your wrong, Joe Louis was the daddy of all fighters that came after him. He had everything and was the most technically sound HW and most vicious ever. He made the guy you call p4p best ever carry his gym bag
going the distance doesn't mean you outfought him, Ray
Leonard made a Fool out of Hagler!
Love them both
Hagler is too slow to beat sugar ray leonard
I lost respect for leonard after this fight bcz he said out of his own mouth, "You beat me, man." When brought up, he denied saying so
I believe the rematch would have gone the same way.
Leonard would have outworked Hagler again and outsmart him.
Hagler would have done what he should have the first time he would have come out south paw pressed Leonard from the word go and beat him from pillar to post
the rabbit would not go 15 rounds & insisted on a ballroom sized ring to dance in - which is exactly what he did -- to say he won that fight is disgraceful @@UpChuckTheBoogie
Hagler: "I don't need a tune up i'm ready"🔥🔥🔥
This man was a robot
To this day I still can't call it.
Marvin won imo
Marvin you .🤡
@@tf9402 Plenty will say Sugar rightly got the decision.
@@BullyBoxer This is serious boxing chat. Keyboard cowards not welcome.
@@tf9402
Absolutely...Marvin won.
Hands down...and chased Sugar all night long.
The Champion...was NOT definitively beaten that night.
A draw should have been the best Sugar got out of that...definitely NOT the belt.
1:39 Marvelous forever and ever the real No1 ❤️ R.I.P.
It was a split decision reflecting how close the fight was, and the judge who scored it to Leonard by 8 rounds should never have been allowed to judge again. The right thing to do would have been an immediate rematch to decide once and for all who was best, and I can’t believe Hagler’s people didn’t negotiate a rematch clause. If they had fought again then I think Hagler would’ve found a way to win, just as he did when he reversed every the other blemish on his record.
I watched that fight live, and they cheated Hagler. Ray ran most of every round, then stole rounds with 10 secs left in the rounds he won. The media and judges didn't like Hagler because he wasn't the type of good ol boy Ray was.
The start of 🏃♀️ from rematch
Marvin fans still crying come on man 😂
Leonard offered and Hagler refused.
@b1j1b1 don't lie, research, Hagler wanted a rematch but Leonard wanted no part of it...
No lie. Hagler refused. @@HighlanDre4573
@@HighlanDre4573don't believe everything you think. What I'm saying is well documented. You should know that before posting.
Two legends and two class individuals.