I don’t the know Goku was able to fly as a kid, when he fought Piccolo for the first time, he didn’t fly during that entire match, he only propelled himself with his foot kamehameha.
@@4nth0ny1-80Yeah Kid Goku was never taught how to fly because the flight technique was actually taught by Roshi's rival school, he's petty enough to never learn how to fly even today.
it's not only kid goku, it's kid goku that has no compensation (usually present in those kinds of matchups) of power equalization and it's still close against the strongest of shibuya.
To give a hand to JJK, the Shibuya arc takes place in the early 100 chapter count. At that point in Dragon Ball, Goku was in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai as a kid. If anything, it would be unfair to throw a Goku with 200+ chapters of experience against a threat like this.
I forgot how much of a powerhouse kid Goku already was, now i feel bad for the random martial artists who went up against him during the tournaments thinking that it would be an easy win
In DB verse character can ignore HAX just by being strong Toppo Hakai vs Vegeta (ignored Hakai) Candy Vegeto (ignored buu's hax) Jiren vs Hit and Hit vs Goku both ignored Hit ability So I'm not even going to suprise if Kid Goku just ignore Mahito's Hax
Ugh, that reminds me of someone who tried to argue that Dragon Ball hax negation wouldn't work on other series power because DB hax negation, "oNlY wOrKs On DrAgOn BaLl PoWeRs". I'm 1,000% fine with Dragon Ball characters losing match-ups. What I HATE however, is when people ignore abilities and down-play strength to try and make DB characters weaker than they are. The same guy literally tried to argue that Goku has no universal feats, and when I used timestamps and quotes from DBS when Kibitokai said the universe was about to be destroyed, they stopped responding lol.
thats only applicable in DB and has to be shown to be applicable to other verses first it's not a guarantee thing that DB characters can power thru hax from other characters
just give him maki's glasses or some glasses like hers imbued with cursed energy to see them and its wraps its honestly a simple issue to solve since its a thing in jjk
I’ve always been under the assumption that Ki is connected to Spirit, so while Ki and CE are NOT the same thing, having a lot of Ki let’s you power through things like unique powers i.e. time manipulation, poison. So I would assume that this would allow Goku to just power up and resist Idle Transfiguration
This is also why I think Goku would beat Gojo even if he gets caught in his domain, because if he’s in like SSJ then he would just have so much Ki that the domain would just collapse or shatter
He doesn't have any power-ups except anger/friendship amps and great ape, he is not resisting idle transfiguration with that PL. In OG DB, it seems no one really has resistance to gimmicks.
@@internetlurker1850 Except he is. Everyone in the JJK verse is way too weak to even compare to kid Goku. His ki would already be far above anything that's existed even if you put everyone in the jjk verse together.
@@internetlurker1850when Devil Man used his attack on Goku that was stated to kill anyone that had any malice in their hearts. Goku being a pure hearted being took that attack with no damage.
Goku soul being to strong for mahitos ability to work would make sense to a degree seeing as in super he is able to resist existence erasure by just being strong enough to
But that was just a small fraction of hakai energy from a god of destruction, just enough so that some random dog minion could use it, if it was a full hakai from a god of destruction goku would be dead
thats wrong. You're referring to time skip which only holds that weakness in the manga. Hit used the time cage which is a whole different technique than timeskip. stop trying to downplay jiren negs time regardless that is the author's intent.@@monomii2841
In dragon ball, your soul is always stronger than your living body. Stated and shown by buu saga ss3 goku and ss2 vegeta. Now you could say "that's in Z. Things got retconned or whatever" even then it doesn't matter. Ki in dragon ball is basically anything into 1
Something interesting to note is that Ki in Dragon Ball is described as both spiritual and emotional energy. For example Genkai is literally described as the life force of the soul, and is used to make the spirit bomb, but is otherwise counted as a Subcategory of Ki in general. Meanwhile the Ki we normally see in Dragon Ball is described as the literal emotion courage and all that comes from it. The Mafuba is the combination of those 2 categories which specifically requires the user to have a good amount of spiritual energy to actually pull it off. Now at that age Goku wouldn’t have been a master at manipulating his soul, although it’s unlikely that he doesn’t have a rough understanding of it thanks to Roshi having amazing understanding of it for the Mafuba. It’s fair to say Roshi was setting the foundations on what the soul is for Goku. So it’s likely that Goku has less understanding of the soul than Itadori, but thanks to his Ki being so much more stronger than Itadori’s CE, they can be considered to have comparable protection from Mahito. Something else to note is that Courage is considered as a positive emotion, and thus a regular Ki blast would be like Mahoraga’s Positive Energy Blade. So all the curses are getting packed up very quickly. Also since Ki has aspects of RCE it’s possible Goku might be able to sense them as he’s able to sense negative/evil Ki. He most likely couldn’t see them, but he’ll know the rough area they’re in.
The three things given by Toriyama aren't the only things that can be in ki, nor always in it. Could be anything, depends on the character - it's why the androids can have a reactor that gives them ki that doesn't run out. Which makes the whole thing vague and muddy, just like the rest of dragon ball, woo hoo! A soulless machine can make the same energy as a bodyless soul that's really angry! :D
@@manoflead643 to be fair though Goku is clearly training under the rightful mindedness and courage aspects of Ki. Now it’s debatable whether or not Roshi is teaching him how to control his Genki at that point, but considering Roshi didn’t want to leave the world without someone to perform the Mafuba against King Piccolo so it’s likely he was preparing Goku to learn it.
@@manoflead64319 doesn’t have ki hence why it needed to absorb it. 16 never used any ki, he was also an actual android and 17 and 18 are cyborgs. Cell was implanted with cells as a bio-andriod so him having the ki of older enemies of Goku so it makes sense.
@@tnmblonewolf8799 yeah this is extremely true. The only "androids" with ki are 17, 18 and Cell because they actually have souls (well Cell presumably has a soul if we believe GT). 16, 19 and the others (8, movie androids, etc) are just machines with either extremely high mechanical energy or the ability to steal it from others. I think 17 and 18's "infinite energy reactor" thing isn't exactly ki, it's closer to the mechanical energy we saw with the older androids that they can use functionally AS ki (for purposes like shooting beams, flying, etc). The only part that confuses is me is why the twins can't be located via ki sensing while Cell can be. I guess that would be the same for Dr. Gero who functionally SHOULD still have ki (being a brain in a robot body like Dr. Wheelo) but is also undetectable.
Curses can be seen at life or death moments. That's how the Yuji's friends could see the curses without cursed energy. Also Mahito's idle transfiguration's effectiveness is based on how powerful a character is. This is how Nanami was able to tank a touch from Mahito because Mahito was pretty weak at this point whilst Todo who is likely relative to Nanami since they're both grade 1 had to cut his arm to survive. You gave JJK too much credit Kid goku stomps
Nah, you’re just showing you suck at remembering. It’s explicitly said the only reason Nanami could survive, not his power level. He subconsciously protected his soul with cursed energy just because of his level of skill. Goku, who has no cursed energy, would not be able to do this. And on the note of todo, the only reason he was able to rank the domain was because it was a 0.2 second domain, which wasn’t enough time for it to fully affect his soul, the same as when he slapped mahitos hand. Todo didn’t have this subconscious reflex, he just had to rely on very quick contact
@@unaware123 that's if goku gets caught lacking. Goku pretty much blitzes jjk at this point. Against mahito he'd have trouble yes but against everyone else he'd whoop
Z Goku is probably already overkill. Goku from right after the Fight with Demon King Piccolo or after the Fight with Piccolo Junior is significantly stronger and faster than the Goku used in the Video who's already pretty close to surviving. Pretty casually a Moonbuster while also being faster than everyone in Shibuya by very significant margins
start of z should be more than enough to clear everyone in there, remember at that point goku had pretty much mastered his ki sense, and if we're gonna equalize both verses everyone has ki inside of them, so even tho goku didnt had cursed power, he could sense everyone around him, so yeah goku clears no diff
Here’s the thing right and everybody here has pretty much said it already anything beyond early Z is overkill and I mean that literally Saiyan saga Goku would wipe the floor without really even needing kaioken frieza Saga no one‘s gonna even be able to touch him let alone keep up with any of his strength feats, cell saga He was already throwing hands with somebody who could wipe out the solar system. And Buu saga Would literally just kill them by just standing next to them I don’t even think I need to get into super because that’s when feats get extremely insane and Goku's infinite speed and durability Early Z is the most balanced in terms of current JJK though I still think even that is a bit much for jjk
Ki sensing I’d argue is a default ability of ki. There’s a scene in the Saiyan saga where a saibaman moves faster than gohan’s vison, and piccolo says “sense the movement of their ki”. This implies base level ki sensing is an initial ability, but once something blitz physical abilities such as sight one would have to learn to adjust.
If that were true Frieza and his soldiers wouldn't need scouters. To get to the point where you could sense CE spirits with it definitely would take training. I think the ability to sense ki directly correlates with having to learn to use ki, rather than just being born with it. Since Goku is first really shown using it when Krillin dies in DB, and Vegeta only learned it after coming to earth
@TruePoseidon No, he's not. He's about 12-13 during the 21st tournament, and the 22nd tournament takes place 3 years later. Thus the Goku he's using is 15 at the oldest, old enough to be a Student. It's mind blowing, but og Dragon Ball takes place over 6-7 years with 2 time skips
Mahito doesn’t necessarily need one touch to finish the fight. Durable characters like todo were able to live from slight touches, so I may be possible for goku to immediately back off if mahito touched him and survived (prob from a sixth sense or something) Edit: a better description of what goku could would be what gohan did against that fox guy in the exhibition matches before the ToP when he got blinded
Wait but Isn’t Kid Goku able to sense the life force of living things with ki sense? If he can, wouldn’t that mean that he can just sense the curses and shishigami out to see them in a way?
let them cop every scaling regarding Goku is always this will work on him but things from db like hax negation or Ki sens get thrown out the window goku casualy tanking Nuclear blast from Picolo daimao ignored they don't like it when we say that 18 years goku is overkill for most vers 15 years old goku after drinking the divine water from karine tower clear JJK in less than a hour but let them think otherwise
@@bradleylewis3438kimg piccolo in manga was stated to be able to destroy a planet if you have read it. And earth in 4 billion km in circumstances so you can count how big a planet destruction is around or more than dwarf star
Roshi's Max Power was most definitely not in the thousands. Not only did we never see Roshi actually make contact with Oozaru Goku, but the face on Oozaru Goku could've simply been that he was startled by the sudden energy on display. Roshi was also crapping himself against an old King Piccolo, who was lower than his 260 Young self, with Roshi claimed he couldn't do anything against him and immediately went for the Mafuba. Characters can control their DC in DB, so if Roshi really was that much stronger it makes no sense for him to claim this. There's also Piccolo with a PL weighted in the 300s who also blew up the Moon, so Roshi being in the thousands is obsurd
Goku can see Ghosts...and even interact with them... Im pretty sure Roshi said that Goku was superior to him...i will just assume you didnt use the PIccolo Daimaoh Goku...Goku can dodge lightining and light (You didnt consider the light part but didnt mention the lightning part, i didnt read the OG Db manga so i will just assume Goku didnt do that in the manga) Mahito himself said if you are too strong he cant really one shot you. Kid Goku is honestly too much LOL
@@maxdrags3115 They are both described as spirits. So yea its valid. Then Mob wouldnt be able to see them either following this logic which doesnt make sense.
I think realistically kid goku would wipe everyone including Mahito. I'd like to think that curse energy is like magic from dragon ball(or similar) so hax techniques would still work on kid goku but there's something that got me wrong with what you said with Mahito v Kid Goku. We know ki can do a lot of things, and I'm sure it could do somethin like 'protect your soul'. Im actually sure it would do it automatically since sometimes ki is translated as spirit energy. Now soul and spirit are not always interchangable but still sometimes they are also the same thing. Im not saying it won't work, but I don't think it would automatically mean Goku would instantly be defeated. Mahito would probably get kid goku with the free hit and I could imagine it would either injure kid goku majorly or minimally. With Sukuna it's the same thing. Unless Sukuna is stronger than Kid Goku, I don't see him winning even with Malevolent Shrine. I think Kid Goku would tough it out. Now maybe Fuga would do something, but we don't really know the limit of that, he could probably do it infinitely, but Kid Goku wouldn't get hit by it more than once. Im not a scaler btw these are just my thoughts. The video was great.
Kid Goku's speed would arguably be at the speed of light, when Roshi destroyed the moon, it's clear it took seconds to reach the moon to destroy with his Kamehameha. And Goku is able to dodge the Kamehameha attacks set by Roshi, meaning his Combat Speed and Travel Speed are light speed because of Ki covering both kinds of speeds, since he needs Ki to be stronger then that of a human.
Tein use solar flare on point blank range at kid Goku and he had enough time to go on the audience seat and take master Roshi glasses and get back at same spot . Yes solar flare in light speed so Goku arguably was Sol+ easily
@@Eesar11That would be the case if he was able to do that after the use of the Solar Flare, but since there's no confirmation, you can argue that he doesn't reach such speeds. Also, the statement about Goku moving after Tien used the attack, it's only on the anime, so It isn't canon.
Well actually there is soul resistance arguments for goku, we know that ki is not just energy but their life energy too. There are different types of ki too evil and good ki, as the spirit bomb wont work on you if you have good ki. We also see cumber can corrupt people because his ki is evil and janemba is the embodiment of evil ki (not canon but both outline and back up the theme of different ki) beyond that the trio of danger also use ki but its different to the point that ki masters like goku and co can’t sense them. Toriyama also states that the users hearts can determine what kind of ki they have. There’s a pseudo president that if you’re too strong techniques might not work on you in db. Also Toji with no curse energy wouldn’t be affected by IT, his body is too strong to the point it takes over weaker peoples souls. And Gege akutami states if kenjaku one of the series strongest and main villain took over tooks body his curse technique would glitch/might not work. So there’s a couple arguments: that gokus life energy ki is too much to transfigure. His body is like tojis to be tampered with. Since he’s stronger the hax won’t work ect
I gotta disagree on mahito actually being a strong pick against goku. He may be invisible but he's still there changing stuff like moving rocks or making transfiguration humans, while needing multiple shots to beat goku. It's a big thing that mahito calculates the number of touches he needs to land and that relates to a soul which we know goku has a powerful one. Mahito would honestly run cause he'd take dozens of touches to beat goku at least and if goku catches him mahito gets sent straight to the moon
Now im just imagining Mahito cowering behind the counter of an Abandoned McDonalds as Kid Goku sits in the hallway, listening, and when Mahito tries to run, he drops a ketchup packet and gets his ass obliterated by a Full-Power Kamehameha.
@@Zeno1781 He couldn't paralyze great ape, the great ape broke his technique right after he appeared. And roshi doesn't scale to the great ape at all, cuz he shit his pants sensing the oozaru's ki and choose blow up the moon. Even if you believe he choose the moon so he doesn't kill goku, roshi could still control his kamehameha to just knock oozaru out instead of choosing blow up the moon, the only one that believed the kamehameha would kill oozaru was yamcha that didn't even know how to sense ki at that moment.
The thing about kid Goku is that he didn’t hold his punches (he killed pretty mcu every enemy he came across) and doesn’t play around anywhere close as he does now so as long as he is able to sense there power to any extent he gonna take it serious and disintegrating them all with a kamehameha (and who knows he might be able to straight up copy there cursed techniques 💀)
2:49 if you think about it, the reason he was stronger than taopaipai was because of a zen boost. Same with a few other times he got hurt badly and survived.
10:00 The issue with "Goku would be worn down by Malevolent Shrine" is that Sukuna's Domain is Borderless and is part of the real world with a finite radius, 200 metres I think? Goku has the speed to escape the radius before any serious cuts would occur, and then it's just a wasted domain. If Sukuna bothered to enclose his domain then maybe it would work? But would he realise that before using it, and can 15 finger sukuna use DE more than once? And even if he could, there's be a few seconds of dead time where he couldn't use any techniques let alone DE.
6:15 i feel idle transfiguration only works on Humans as mahito was born from human fear and hate of other humans, we never see his technique used on cursed spirits either
Mahitos ability is to manipulate the shape of soul and the body will get pulled along with it, cursed spirits also have souls and there's nothing I can recall that suggests he can't do it on other cursed spirits. I think you may have a case of lobotomy kaisen or reading comprehension curse.
if Goku could learn the kamehameha instantly, the moment Mahito mentions how his cursed technique works Goku will just say “like this?” and then instantly learn how the soul works in jjk.
Mahito’s soul manipulation would not work on Goku, for a number of reasons. This is a common misconception I see very often First off, Dragon ball Souls and JJK souls are completely different. Mahito cannot manipulate souls that work in entirely different ways with characters from different universes. In dragon ball, souls are typically relative in power with the body, whereas in JJK the soul is more of a crystal, something weaker than the body that can easily be manipulated. It’s essentially just equalizing everything if you say that his ability would work An additional point to note is that Goku should be able to see all of the curses. This is because all of his senses are essentially superhuman, as it’s hard to argue that Toji (someone that can see cursed spirits) has better showings in this regard. Domains wouldn’t work either on Goku So he stomps them pretty badly
No, Goku could not see curses, only people with cursed energy can see curses. And to follow up with that, no, Toji can not see curses either, I have no idea why you freaking think that, but he can't, he has no cursed energy.
@@maxdrags3115 Yes, he can. Because Maki can. She’s able to perceive curse Naoya, and not only that but also sense where his attacks are coming from. I have no idea why you would think Toji cannot, especially because in both the anime and the manga, without cursed energy, he’s able to completely destroy Dagon, a CURSED SPIRIT. That take makes no sense Also in Hidden Inventory, Toji owns a cursed spirit. He literally made a pact with it. It would make no sense if he “couldn’t see” that but somehow was able to pair up with it
@@mizonami1934dude it’s been stated that people without CE can’t see cursed spirits and shown Toji can’t see them neither can maki she legit says it in jjk 0 and when kenjaku uses cursed spirits against the US they couldn’t see them till kenjaku gave them some glasses type shit
@@user-tf9pw7sm1b Maki wasn’t a heavenly restriction user that was awakened in Zero, and with Toji the exact opposite is shown and stated The manga repeatedly shows and states that because of the enhanced 5 senses people like Toji have, they can see curses. It also doesn’t make any sense how he’d be able to jump into a domain and beat a curse down from inside its own domain without seeing it Also again, if he couldn’t see curses, then he wouldn’t have the inventory curse like he did in the Hidden Inventory arc. None of what you said is even consistent with how heavenly restriction users are shown It’s also said that everyone has a little cursed energy. Maki had cursed energy in Zero. The reason she couldn’t see curses is because she had so little that she couldn’t see them. Almost no one in JJK has absolutely zero cursed energy
Another thing about Kid Goku vs Cursed Spirits is Kid Goku was actually shown to be able to sense a *wide* variety of creatures, even before he learnee how to properly sense Chi. In one of the earliest manga panels vs the Pirate Skull Robot, he tells Bulma that he can sense something in the room underground. Bulma tells him theres no way and Goku tells her that he can sense that its not a living creature
question is, Would everyone else survive kid goku’s mere battle speed alone shitstomps everyone in this verse alongside his other feats i’d say he’d clear mid diff @ best
There is an argument to be made that goku(and other dragon ball characters) could just see the curses due to the fact that they work similar to spirits. With that being the case its easy to argue that goku could see them just like how everyone in dragon ball z could see and interact with goku while he was dead. I've seen it mentioned a few times that the way 元気 works in db makes it easy go argue that goku would have resistance to mahito. 元気 translates to spiritual energy roughly.
some annoying weeb in a server im in randomly posted this thumbnail and said "y...yes? Even if we're talking Kid Goku, specifically king piccolo arc Goku, which is what that photo is...he sweeps the floor with Sukuna, let alone anybody else." Please feel free to make fun of him
Given that Goku learned the kamehama ha upon seeing it wouldn't Goku also be able to learn cursed energy upon seeing it or experiencing it not that he would have mastery he just gets a general idea
Idk, sounds hard to imagine because it's a different power system, but if Goku learns to use emotion power ups from his saiyan heritage (like saiyan anger) maybe he'll learn cursed energy.
I mean, it could, he learn many things just by seeing and training, haki, UI, Kamehameha, kioken, lighting when he use it on kid Buu, and many other things
@@Jotenks cough, whis taught him in movie, show and movie of resurrection Frieza, against goldan, merus taught him? So that means he didn't learn? He just said "oh, I should learn how to dodge without thinking, yeah I'm so smart I don't need no one to teach me. "
Hey man, I loved thevideo. Could u do a video on if kami could survive the shibuya ark? It would be a fun video, fighting cursed spirits is pretty much kamis job as guardion of the earth, and kami can sense evil so he could sense curses instead of seeing them
@@Icantthinkofanything-t1p yeah but every living thing has a small amount of ki. This includes mahito. Goku would have a small amount of CE as well. In dragon ball everything has ki including plants and animals.
@@008-._79 if that were the case then Goku wouldn’t have any cursed energy and would be completely unaffected by mahito. We need to take aspects from both universes for this to work.
Why are people treating be the Shibuya Incident like it’s the Rumbling?? A better comparison would be either of the My Hero Academia war arcs where a full city got disintegrated & Shigaraki can just kill you from miles away. Literally thousands of people across Japan had to pre-plane days ahead of schedule just to not completely get their asses whooped.
I would disagree with jjk caping at Mach speed considering gojo’s hollow purple is imaginary mass made up of Tachyonic particles which would at least move as fast as light which mahoraga could react to and even then maki catching a bullet point blank in the good will arc would make her above Mach 3 even before she awakened with yuji and in turn mahito and choso scaling to that if you take out the author’s statements there’s so much evidence suggesting that jjk goes well above Mach 3 other then that this video was really fun to watch
Great video but what about when Mr. Popo was training Goku to be like a "Rock" and sense everything around him? Goku at that point could dodge projectiles trhown by mr popo by just sensing their vibrations in the air, even with his eyes closed while meditating. Couldn't this technically give him some advantage against mahito?
y’all seem to forget that Popo’s training was after Goku vs King Piccolo which was after the 22nd Budokai which isn’t the version of Kid Goku used in the video
This video in a nutshell: "Either Goku annihilates the enemy with utter ease, or the enemy has some total bullcrap and broken ability... in that case, Goku will in fact obliterate the enemy with a Kamehameha."
I disagree you forgot the power pole. Goku can just expand it and and spin around to just smack nahito of planet. Even if he can't see him. Also yes mahito would be knocked back by the hits like he was knocked back from Todo's black flash
If you are limiting it to Kid Goku, if you used Tien in place in the same timescale, he would probably have a better chance, due to learning the Evil containment wave, and being just as strong as him. Not to mention one could argue that his third eye enlightenment would help him see his opponents.
verse equalization. since kurama is a soul inside another person, if you equalize verses (chakra is equivalent to cursed energy) then yeah, mahito cant do shit
There are 3 ways Goku would be able to see Cursed Spirits 1. DB Hax- it is pretty well known that in DB if you are a good amount stronger than your opponent then DB characters just bypass their hax 2.(more likely/fair) life and death situations- Normal humans can gain the ability to see cursed spirits if they are in a life or death situation. So if Goku sees random people dying or gets attacked by a cursed spirirt he would most likely awaken the ability 3. Pure senses: Toji is able to see curses because of his heightened senses, it is likely Goku has higher senses than him so he should be able to “see” them using his senses
I like how’d this start as some kinda toriyama Halloween special “HALLOWEEN…spooky monster holiday? Ok” goku would probably roll through the whole incident and not ask any questions😂😂😂
3:38 This contradicts your statement that firstly, Master Roshi did not reach a thousand in power level, and despite that, he destroyed the moon, doubling Max Power's power is not a thousand, so this argument does not frankly prove anything. The arguments that Goku is superior to Master Roshi and his Kamehameha are more so there really is nothing to cope with.
Goku wouldnt be able to die because of the wish Bardock made to protect him and Radditz in the gronolah arc, if you consider that part of super cannon to this part of dragon ball. But otherwise I really dont see any faults in this vid
@@maxdrags3115As a child he did not die... Only when he was fully grown with a child. The wish was already done 😂 Seriously just stop you are gonna embarass yourself.
@@maxdrags3115bardock literally was shown to make a wish that would keep goku safe untill he grew up by the time of his 1st death he was already grown up
It's actually very easy to prove that mahito wouldn't be able to one shot Goku because mahito couldn't even one shot nanami who had no idea what soul manipulation was and constantly mentions that he can't one shot people stronger than him who are at full health. Even if you don't equalize the systems Goku's power level vs that of a normal mortals atp should be able to determine how he'd fare. And you can't really use the same trick on him more than a couple times
Yeah people often forget that Mahito's abilities and similar others aren't limitless hax that work on people 10x, 100x, 1000x+ stronger than them. Not to mention you'd have to equalize the verse's concept of soul for mahito to even affect souls outside of his verse that same, otherwise, what's stopping Goku from just sensing them all with ki? Doesn't exactly make sense for one concept to apply universally while the other doesn't. Hell, even if we ignore all of that, Goku being a saiyan and not a human, something mahito's' familiar with makes it likely he doesn't understand the shape of his soul, that and souls in DB working differently to begin with. Multiple things make the scenario favoring mahito not only far more unlikely than not, but also requires bias to even get to that point.
I don't know where you got mountain level for Dagon but Jogo is by far the strongest Disaster Curse in terms of pure destructive output. And I think you're forgetting that with domain expansion, Maximum Meteor is a sure hit attack. Goku would literally have to find Jogo(assuming he can't see him) and blitz him in one hit. Depending on which version of Kid Goku this is ofc
7:38 at this point in the video you stated didn't have the capacity yet to do the whole fight without thinking thing, though this is actually foreshadowed since early dragon ball, with his training with mr popo, anyway great vid you got my sub
@@Bengt2509that’s before he trained with roshi, goku is stronger after the first tournament. Like way stronger by comparison to where he was in that moment
@@Bengt2509the difference between that goku and 21st budokai goku is ridiculous 💀 That goku whose tail was cut by puar was struggling against very early series yamcha. Unable to break through steel and etc. 21st budokai goku was as strong if not Sligh weaker than rushing. Roshi would fodderize yamcha POST his training
Remember that time kid Goku casually brought a couple dudes and a rabbit to the moon in like a minute with his power pole? He's gonna be that casual with man handling Mahoraga
Id say that kid goku, probably couldnt be transfigured cuz of ki inof itself. Its awareness of ones soul correct that blocks mahitos touch kill policy. Goku probably resists passively
Idle Transfiguration doesn't work instantly against opponents who are sufficiently strong. Just Todo was enough for Mahito to think he would need multiple hits, so Goku would probably get hit once, almost nothing happens, and go into serious mode.
Wouldn’t Mahito’s authority only extend to “Humans” though…? We have no way of testing this, obviously, but someone or something like a Saiyan might we be legitimately immune to his ability. He is the “fear of other humans” a curse meant to embody and yet curse “humans”. His “curse” might not even work on souls or bodies that are not “of humanity” and “earth”.
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 Do we KNOW it does though…? That’s the thing. He’s “the fear of other humans”, and like all curses his power is based on what he’s the fear of. He controls humans. I suppose I’m used to dealing with Fate lore where conceptual questions like that are way more important, but I feel like it’s a reasonable question to ask. The fact the main premise of JJK isn’t directed at me and that Mahito is the personification of it only contributes to me bothering to ask it, I still feel like it’s a legitimate question. For example Dagon couldn’t control “Blood” which is very similar to water, or he would’ve instant killed everyone. The perception matters, especially so with Jujutsu, so I think whether it would work is in question.
@@Neuviletteiudexofmemes When crossverse scaling, you need to do something called "verse equalisation" so it's actually interesting to discuss. Wtf is the point of arguing Goku vs Mahito if Mahito's main ability isn't even usable or if Goku can't see or touch Mahito?
@@aceshouse3389 back Gokus 1st tournament Roshi Vaporized moon which calcs at Big planet Ap bare min .which roshi has PL of 150(idk exact) something Goku in piccolo saga massively outsasles that roshi .
One advantage kid Goku has against Mahoraga is his general tendency to avoid ki attacks as he doesn't like how hungry they make him. He very much prefers to use kamehameha as a last resort, and at relatively high potency, where as an adult he'd use ki attacks as feelers for the skill and power level of an opponent, making Mahoraga's ability to adapt much less useful.
If you’re not using verse equalisation then wouldn’t that mean domain expansion would not work on goku as he wouldn’t have cursed energy, apparently those with heavenly restriction are seen are inanimate objects when they enter a domain so the sure hit effect won’t activate.
7:25 ive got proof why mahito cant one-shot goku. because nanami also got touched by mahito and didnt instantly die. that means if someone strong enough he can tank it
Bro would be like toji if toji was on mega steroids and had the ability to fly and shoot lazer beams
I don’t the know Goku was able to fly as a kid, when he fought Piccolo for the first time, he didn’t fly during that entire match, he only propelled himself with his foot kamehameha.
@@4nth0ny1-80you're right kid goku couldn't fly, only after he fought piccolo after the timeskip in the 23rd budokai tenkaichi he could fly
@@4nth0ny1-80Yeah Kid Goku was never taught how to fly because the flight technique was actually taught by Roshi's rival school, he's petty enough to never learn how to fly even today.
Even if he can’t fly flying nimbus 🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
@@tobycisneros6268couldn't he fly with his tail?
The fact he has to use Kid Goku in order to make this fair is hilarious 🤣😭
I was like wtf is this 💀
it's not only kid goku, it's kid goku that has no compensation (usually present in those kinds of matchups) of power equalization and it's still close against the strongest of shibuya.
They have to use baby Goku for this to be fair
To give a hand to JJK, the Shibuya arc takes place in the early 100 chapter count. At that point in Dragon Ball, Goku was in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai as a kid. If anything, it would be unfair to throw a Goku with 200+ chapters of experience against a threat like this.
@@Bighomie39 isnt sukuna like centuries years old? He'd be fine
I forgot how much of a powerhouse kid Goku already was, now i feel bad for the random martial artists who went up against him during the tournaments thinking that it would be an easy win
Imagine 7 yr old throwing a jab and disconnecting your life like the WiFi
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I would pissed & mad at the same time
@@yomama1276 goku was 12 in is first tornament, still true tho
@@tomasguilherme263He looked like a 7 year old during that time so that's the reason why they said 7 year old
And that’s him controlling his power limit. Not even going for 1%
As Goku and krillin stood in front of Fruadkuna Krillin asked Goku if he would lose to the king of frauds
Goku answered “Nah I’d win”
How is Sukana a fraud he's lit #1 in the verse
@@justacegaming662Jogo said to sukuna stand tall you were strong
@@justacegaming662he couldnt leave it all behind. Thats the problem with bubble guppy society
Shut up 😂@@lordmike9331
Well yo stupid 😂
In DB verse character can ignore HAX just by being strong
Toppo Hakai vs Vegeta (ignored Hakai)
Candy Vegeto (ignored buu's hax)
Jiren vs Hit and Hit vs Goku both ignored Hit ability
So I'm not even going to suprise if Kid Goku just ignore Mahito's Hax
Ugh, that reminds me of someone who tried to argue that Dragon Ball hax negation wouldn't work on other series power because DB hax negation, "oNlY wOrKs On DrAgOn BaLl PoWeRs".
I'm 1,000% fine with Dragon Ball characters losing match-ups. What I HATE however, is when people ignore abilities and down-play strength to try and make DB characters weaker than they are.
The same guy literally tried to argue that Goku has no universal feats, and when I used timestamps and quotes from DBS when Kibitokai said the universe was about to be destroyed, they stopped responding lol.
In Goku vs Hit, goku literally punched through space and time
I aint reading allat💀💀💀💀💀💀🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏@@tjpprojects7192
@@tjpprojects7192 That guy is probably your typical midtama fan
thats only applicable in DB and has to be shown to be applicable to other verses first it's not a guarantee thing that DB characters can power thru hax from other characters
'Dude who destroyed mountain was calculated at city to mountain level', really broke out the calculator for that one.
Mt. Frypan is incredibly small compared to most real world mountains, hope this helps
The idea of Yuji serving as Goku's eyes during a Mahito double-team is fucking awesome ngl. Especially if it had Remember playing or something.
just give him maki's glasses or some glasses like hers imbued with cursed energy to see them and its wraps its honestly a simple issue to solve since its a thing in jjk
No sir the question is Can the shibuya incident survive goku 😂. It’ll get so wicked Sukuna gonna switch side like nah he’s the true monster 😭
Fr 😂
Imagine goku just nukes the entire city 😂
@@DwellingTheAbyssа потом посмотрел на небо, а там полнолуние💀
bro kid goku is so fast😂😂
@@АнальныйФокусникbaby ozaru goku is going to solo the whole of jjk
I’ve always been under the assumption that Ki is connected to Spirit, so while Ki and CE are NOT the same thing, having a lot of Ki let’s you power through things like unique powers i.e. time manipulation, poison. So I would assume that this would allow Goku to just power up and resist Idle Transfiguration
This is also why I think Goku would beat Gojo even if he gets caught in his domain, because if he’s in like SSJ then he would just have so much Ki that the domain would just collapse or shatter
He doesn't have any power-ups except anger/friendship amps and great ape, he is not resisting idle transfiguration with that PL.
In OG DB, it seems no one really has resistance to gimmicks.
@@internetlurker1850 Except he is. Everyone in the JJK verse is way too weak to even compare to kid Goku. His ki would already be far above anything that's existed even if you put everyone in the jjk verse together.
@@The_Andromeda_Galaxy I want you to give me the example of one time that anyone has resisted hax in OG DB.
@@internetlurker1850when Devil Man used his attack on Goku that was stated to kill anyone that had any malice in their hearts. Goku being a pure hearted being took that attack with no damage.
Goku soul being to strong for mahitos ability to work would make sense to a degree seeing as in super he is able to resist existence erasure by just being strong enough to
Goku's ki is genki part have soul properties. Means Goku have soul properties and defense.
@@Zestycheese-jf9izHe surpassed an ability whose specific weakness is power
But that was just a small fraction of hakai energy from a god of destruction, just enough so that some random dog minion could use it, if it was a full hakai from a god of destruction goku would be dead
@@kingofnobody6698 true but that small fraction should have more soul destruction power than Mahitos soul manipulation
thats wrong. You're referring to time skip which only holds that weakness in the manga. Hit used the time cage which is a whole different technique than timeskip. stop trying to downplay jiren negs time regardless that is the author's intent.@@monomii2841
In dragon ball, your soul is always stronger than your living body.
Stated and shown by buu saga ss3 goku and ss2 vegeta.
Now you could say "that's in Z. Things got retconned or whatever" even then it doesn't matter. Ki in dragon ball is basically anything into 1
Gotta remember Dragon Ball Z is a US thing, in Japan Dragon Ball ends in the Buu Saga
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@@DerpEpicFace32onXbox Bro never heard of GT?
@@DerpEpicFace32onXboxBro doesn't know about DBS aswell
@@TJBlack3.5 GT is not canon to the DB manga.
Something interesting to note is that Ki in Dragon Ball is described as both spiritual and emotional energy. For example Genkai is literally described as the life force of the soul, and is used to make the spirit bomb, but is otherwise counted as a Subcategory of Ki in general. Meanwhile the Ki we normally see in Dragon Ball is described as the literal emotion courage and all that comes from it. The Mafuba is the combination of those 2 categories which specifically requires the user to have a good amount of spiritual energy to actually pull it off.
Now at that age Goku wouldn’t have been a master at manipulating his soul, although it’s unlikely that he doesn’t have a rough understanding of it thanks to Roshi having amazing understanding of it for the Mafuba. It’s fair to say Roshi was setting the foundations on what the soul is for Goku. So it’s likely that Goku has less understanding of the soul than Itadori, but thanks to his Ki being so much more stronger than Itadori’s CE, they can be considered to have comparable protection from Mahito.
Something else to note is that Courage is considered as a positive emotion, and thus a regular Ki blast would be like Mahoraga’s Positive Energy Blade. So all the curses are getting packed up very quickly. Also since Ki has aspects of RCE it’s possible Goku might be able to sense them as he’s able to sense negative/evil Ki. He most likely couldn’t see them, but he’ll know the rough area they’re in.
The three things given by Toriyama aren't the only things that can be in ki, nor always in it. Could be anything, depends on the character - it's why the androids can have a reactor that gives them ki that doesn't run out. Which makes the whole thing vague and muddy, just like the rest of dragon ball, woo hoo! A soulless machine can make the same energy as a bodyless soul that's really angry! :D
@@manoflead643 to be fair though Goku is clearly training under the rightful mindedness and courage aspects of Ki. Now it’s debatable whether or not Roshi is teaching him how to control his Genki at that point, but considering Roshi didn’t want to leave the world without someone to perform the Mafuba against King Piccolo so it’s likely he was preparing Goku to learn it.
@@manoflead64319 doesn’t have ki hence why it needed to absorb it. 16 never used any ki, he was also an actual android and 17 and 18 are cyborgs. Cell was implanted with cells as a bio-andriod so him having the ki of older enemies of Goku so it makes sense.
@@tnmblonewolf8799 yeah this is extremely true. The only "androids" with ki are 17, 18 and Cell because they actually have souls (well Cell presumably has a soul if we believe GT). 16, 19 and the others (8, movie androids, etc) are just machines with either extremely high mechanical energy or the ability to steal it from others. I think 17 and 18's "infinite energy reactor" thing isn't exactly ki, it's closer to the mechanical energy we saw with the older androids that they can use functionally AS ki (for purposes like shooting beams, flying, etc).
The only part that confuses is me is why the twins can't be located via ki sensing while Cell can be. I guess that would be the same for Dr. Gero who functionally SHOULD still have ki (being a brain in a robot body like Dr. Wheelo) but is also undetectable.
@@sungazercyan Cell literally has the ki of the individuals he shares cells with that is why he can be sensed.
Goku: Stand Proud Sukuna, you are strong.
Curses can be seen at life or death moments. That's how the Yuji's friends could see the curses without cursed energy. Also Mahito's idle transfiguration's effectiveness is based on how powerful a character is. This is how Nanami was able to tank a touch from Mahito because Mahito was pretty weak at this point whilst Todo who is likely relative to Nanami since they're both grade 1 had to cut his arm to survive. You gave JJK too much credit Kid goku stomps
Nah, you’re just showing you suck at remembering. It’s explicitly said the only reason Nanami could survive, not his power level. He subconsciously protected his soul with cursed energy just because of his level of skill. Goku, who has no cursed energy, would not be able to do this.
And on the note of todo, the only reason he was able to rank the domain was because it was a 0.2 second domain, which wasn’t enough time for it to fully affect his soul, the same as when he slapped mahitos hand. Todo didn’t have this subconscious reflex, he just had to rely on very quick contact
@@unaware123 that's if goku gets caught lacking. Goku pretty much blitzes jjk at this point. Against mahito he'd have trouble yes but against everyone else he'd whoop
@@staarfinger7322 eh, he’d blitz most characters, but not gojo/Sukuna, who to this goku are relative in speed at a low ball, to massively faster
@@unaware123goku can use ki to protect his soul just like ce. Also this goku is light speed which no other jjk character is.
@@KurosakiNexuswhat is bro babbling about that's not how Ki works 💀
I think the more interesting question is to ask when he becomes able to survive the event (Dragonball, Z, etc.)
True zenkais will go brrrrrrr after shibuya
Z Goku is probably already overkill. Goku from right after the Fight with Demon King Piccolo or after the Fight with Piccolo Junior is significantly stronger and faster than the Goku used in the Video who's already pretty close to surviving. Pretty casually a Moonbuster while also being faster than everyone in Shibuya by very significant margins
start of z should be more than enough to clear everyone in there, remember at that point goku had pretty much mastered his ki sense, and if we're gonna equalize both verses everyone has ki inside of them, so even tho goku didnt had cursed power, he could sense everyone around him, so yeah goku clears no diff
Here’s the thing right and everybody here has pretty much said it already anything beyond early Z is overkill and I mean that literally Saiyan saga Goku would wipe the floor without really even needing kaioken frieza Saga no one‘s gonna even be able to touch him let alone keep up with any of his strength feats, cell saga He was already throwing hands with somebody who could wipe out the solar system. And Buu saga Would literally just kill them by just standing next to them I don’t even think I need to get into super because that’s when feats get extremely insane and Goku's infinite speed and durability
Early Z is the most balanced in terms of current JJK though I still think even that is a bit much for jjk
Goku while training with kami as that's when he trains his senses so could probably "see" his opponents
Ki sensing I’d argue is a default ability of ki. There’s a scene in the Saiyan saga where a saibaman moves faster than gohan’s vison, and piccolo says “sense the movement of their ki”. This implies base level ki sensing is an initial ability, but once something blitz physical abilities such as sight one would have to learn to adjust.
th-cam.com/video/UojVXs2dYxU/w-d-xo.html always gotta show sources
And we know at the most goku is equal to the speed of everyone present
If that were true Frieza and his soldiers wouldn't need scouters. To get to the point where you could sense CE spirits with it definitely would take training. I think the ability to sense ki directly correlates with having to learn to use ki, rather than just being born with it. Since Goku is first really shown using it when Krillin dies in DB, and Vegeta only learned it after coming to earth
I like how you pick the Goku that's no older than 15. He fits perfectly
He is way younger than that.
@TruePoseidon No, he's not. He's about 12-13 during the 21st tournament, and the 22nd tournament takes place 3 years later. Thus the Goku he's using is 15 at the oldest, old enough to be a Student. It's mind blowing, but og Dragon Ball takes place over 6-7 years with 2 time skips
@@soloknight7197 He is using goku before the 22cnd tournament.
@TruePoseidon Thus Goku is 15, as he was before the 22nd Tournament
@@soloknight7197Goku was between 13-14 b4 the second tournament
Mahito doesn’t necessarily need one touch to finish the fight. Durable characters like todo were able to live from slight touches, so I may be possible for goku to immediately back off if mahito touched him and survived (prob from a sixth sense or something)
Edit: a better description of what goku could would be what gohan did against that fox guy in the exhibition matches before the ToP when he got blinded
*innate ultra instinct*
@@painvillegaming4119this is kid Goku
@@MurphyLawden4444 Kid goku has that when he was training with popo, he even said that his body just moved on it's own.
@@omlandah ultra instinct foreshadowed
Goku was getting taught to let his instincts and spirit take over for years and like said above since OG DB
The real question is: would the Shibuya incident survive Goku
I know right, dude just were forced to bring kid goku from before the last arc, and not only that but fucking blind too LOL
Your content is so unique with your video ideas, im confused on why your not in the hundred thousands yet. Ill be rooting for you the whole way
Wait but Isn’t Kid Goku able to sense the life force of living things with ki sense? If he can, wouldn’t that mean that he can just sense the curses and shishigami out to see them in a way?
let them cop every scaling regarding Goku is always this will work on him but things from db like hax negation or Ki sens get thrown out the window goku casualy tanking Nuclear blast from Picolo daimao ignored they don't like it when we say that 18 years goku is overkill for most vers 15 years old goku after drinking the divine water from karine tower clear JJK in less than a hour but let them think otherwise
They claim they are the real humans, they are made from human emotions but are they really even considered alive? dunno 🤔
He doesn’t gain that ability until he gets the power up/zenkai from the ultra divine water, right before his second fight with Demon King Piccolo.
@@bradleylewis3438kimg piccolo in manga was stated to be able to destroy a planet if you have read it. And earth in 4 billion km in circumstances so you can count how big a planet destruction is around or more than dwarf star
@@Eesar11An earth of 4 billion kilometers is a big star level
Roshi's Max Power was most definitely not in the thousands. Not only did we never see Roshi actually make contact with Oozaru Goku, but the face on Oozaru Goku could've simply been that he was startled by the sudden energy on display. Roshi was also crapping himself against an old King Piccolo, who was lower than his 260 Young self, with Roshi claimed he couldn't do anything against him and immediately went for the Mafuba. Characters can control their DC in DB, so if Roshi really was that much stronger it makes no sense for him to claim this. There's also Piccolo with a PL weighted in the 300s who also blew up the Moon, so Roshi being in the thousands is obsurd
I like how to even make these kinds of these comparisons even, everyone uses kid Goku or Early Dbz goku
Title translation = can the kid that scales to a moon buster scale to like...city level opponents with hax
This version of kid Goku doesn't scale to that moon level attack
Goku can see Ghosts...and even interact with them... Im pretty sure Roshi said that Goku was superior to him...i will just assume you didnt use the PIccolo Daimaoh Goku...Goku can dodge lightining and light (You didnt consider the light part but didnt mention the lightning part, i didnt read the OG Db manga so i will just assume Goku didnt do that in the manga)
Mahito himself said if you are too strong he cant really one shot you.
Kid Goku is honestly too much LOL
Seeing ghosts in DB is not the same as seeing cursed spirits in JJK.
@@maxdrags3115 They are both described as spirits. So yea its valid. Then Mob wouldnt be able to see them either following this logic which doesnt make sense.
@@maxdrags3115nice try
@@maxdrags3115 even so, goku could feel or know the cursed spirit with their Ki's or their energy
Lol cope, to protect against Mahito you have to be aware of your soul and use CE to protect.
Mahito negs him in so many ways
I think realistically kid goku would wipe everyone including Mahito. I'd like to think that curse energy is like magic from dragon ball(or similar) so hax techniques would still work on kid goku but there's something that got me wrong with what you said with Mahito v Kid Goku. We know ki can do a lot of things, and I'm sure it could do somethin like 'protect your soul'. Im actually sure it would do it automatically since sometimes ki is translated as spirit energy. Now soul and spirit are not always interchangable but still sometimes they are also the same thing. Im not saying it won't work, but I don't think it would automatically mean Goku would instantly be defeated. Mahito would probably get kid goku with the free hit and I could imagine it would either injure kid goku majorly or minimally. With Sukuna it's the same thing. Unless Sukuna is stronger than Kid Goku, I don't see him winning even with Malevolent Shrine. I think Kid Goku would tough it out. Now maybe Fuga would do something, but we don't really know the limit of that, he could probably do it infinitely, but Kid Goku wouldn't get hit by it more than once. Im not a scaler btw these are just my thoughts. The video was great.
Kid Goku's speed would arguably be at the speed of light, when Roshi destroyed the moon, it's clear it took seconds to reach the moon to destroy with his Kamehameha. And Goku is able to dodge the Kamehameha attacks set by Roshi, meaning his Combat Speed and Travel Speed are light speed because of Ki covering both kinds of speeds, since he needs Ki to be stronger then that of a human.
Exactly the Mach 3 verse doesn’t touch him or see him
If it took seconds to travel to moon it means the kamehameha wasn't lightspeed
Tein use solar flare on point blank range at kid Goku and he had enough time to go on the audience seat and take master Roshi glasses and get back at same spot . Yes solar flare in light speed so Goku arguably was Sol+ easily
@@LingeringSoul-yk6de Moon and Earth's distance for light is around 3 seconds.
@@Eesar11That would be the case if he was able to do that after the use of the Solar Flare, but since there's no confirmation, you can argue that he doesn't reach such speeds. Also, the statement about Goku moving after Tien used the attack, it's only on the anime, so It isn't canon.
Well actually there is soul resistance arguments for goku, we know that ki is not just energy but their life energy too.
There are different types of ki too evil and good ki, as the spirit bomb wont work on you if you have good ki. We also see cumber can corrupt people because his ki is evil and janemba is the embodiment of evil ki (not canon but both outline and back up the theme of different ki) beyond that the trio of danger also use ki but its different to the point that ki masters like goku and co can’t sense them. Toriyama also states that the users hearts can determine what kind of ki they have.
There’s a pseudo president that if you’re too strong techniques might not work on you in db.
Also Toji with no curse energy wouldn’t be affected by IT, his body is too strong to the point it takes over weaker peoples souls. And Gege akutami states if kenjaku one of the series strongest and main villain took over tooks body his curse technique would glitch/might not work.
So there’s a couple arguments:
that gokus life energy ki is too much to transfigure.
His body is like tojis to be tampered with.
Since he’s stronger the hax won’t work ect
This goku in oozaru would be a fucking godzilla for the jjk crew
I gotta disagree on mahito actually being a strong pick against goku. He may be invisible but he's still there changing stuff like moving rocks or making transfiguration humans, while needing multiple shots to beat goku. It's a big thing that mahito calculates the number of touches he needs to land and that relates to a soul which we know goku has a powerful one. Mahito would honestly run cause he'd take dozens of touches to beat goku at least and if goku catches him mahito gets sent straight to the moon
Now im just imagining Mahito cowering behind the counter of an Abandoned McDonalds as Kid Goku sits in the hallway, listening, and when Mahito tries to run, he drops a ketchup packet and gets his ass obliterated by a Full-Power Kamehameha.
@@vegeta_69420 that's such a cool shitpost video idea lmao
Base form goku is like toji on crack
Goku definitely has some kind of heavenly pact. Its a requirement for riding the nimbus so, he can probably see cursed spirits.
Roshi max power form is most definitley not any where near power levels of 1000
You know ki attack multiple people power level when shot out
@@thelordofthewest7781 The Goku that fought Raditz couldn’t get his Kamehameha to a 1000 and he’s STRONGER than Roshi
It's inconsistent
Roshi could paralyze great ape kid goku. Great ape kid goku has a PL of 1200~1800 since the great ape is a 10x multiplier
@@Zeno1781 He couldn't paralyze great ape, the great ape broke his technique right after he appeared. And roshi doesn't scale to the great ape at all, cuz he shit his pants sensing the oozaru's ki and choose blow up the moon.
Even if you believe he choose the moon so he doesn't kill goku, roshi could still control his kamehameha to just knock oozaru out instead of choosing blow up the moon, the only one that believed the kamehameha would kill oozaru was yamcha that didn't even know how to sense ki at that moment.
The thing about kid Goku is that he didn’t hold his punches (he killed pretty mcu every enemy he came across) and doesn’t play around anywhere close as he does now so as long as he is able to sense there power to any extent he gonna take it serious and disintegrating them all with a kamehameha (and who knows he might be able to straight up copy there cursed techniques 💀)
Fym "Could Goku survive the Shibuya Incident" how's that even a question kid goku outscales the verse so bad its not even funny
2:49 if you think about it, the reason he was stronger than taopaipai was because of a zen boost. Same with a few other times he got hurt badly and survived.
wait a second? mahito cant transform sukuna since he is stronger than mahito so wouldnt that apply to goku aswell?
Okay, but Sukuna is, like, twelve bajillion times stronger than Mahito
@@thomasthecoolkid7228and goku is thirty jatrillion times stronger than mahito
@@thomasthecoolkid7228yeah? so is kid goku? kid goku and sukuna is like close in power basically the same
@@thomasthecoolkid7228and goku isnt?
@@mikelpike1nah bro it's not close ion see sukuna able to beat people who can destroy moons
those conditions agaisnt Goku literally felt like that meme of Goku (with no limbs and blindfolded) vs Naruto at full power
Goku can just use the power pole against mahito after he got touched first time and one touch from mahito wouldn't able to kill goku
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The issue with "Goku would be worn down by Malevolent Shrine" is that Sukuna's Domain is Borderless and is part of the real world with a finite radius, 200 metres I think? Goku has the speed to escape the radius before any serious cuts would occur, and then it's just a wasted domain. If Sukuna bothered to enclose his domain then maybe it would work? But would he realise that before using it, and can 15 finger sukuna use DE more than once? And even if he could, there's be a few seconds of dead time where he couldn't use any techniques let alone DE.
6:15 i feel idle transfiguration only works on Humans as mahito was born from human fear and hate of other humans, we never see his technique used on cursed spirits either
And if Goku is just taken and putten from Db into jjk
Then soul manipulation on Goku wouldn't work cuz Souls Are different in Dragon Ball Verse
No, he only uses it on humans because he hates humans and not curses.
He tries to use it on kenjaku
Mahitos ability is to manipulate the shape of soul and the body will get pulled along with it, cursed spirits also have souls and there's nothing I can recall that suggests he can't do it on other cursed spirits. I think you may have a case of lobotomy kaisen or reading comprehension curse.
@@user-tf9pw7sm1bkenjaku isnt a curse
if Goku could learn the kamehameha instantly, the moment Mahito mentions how his cursed technique works Goku will just say “like this?” and then instantly learn how the soul works in jjk.
Mahito’s soul manipulation would not work on Goku, for a number of reasons. This is a common misconception I see very often
First off, Dragon ball Souls and JJK souls are completely different. Mahito cannot manipulate souls that work in entirely different ways with characters from different universes. In dragon ball, souls are typically relative in power with the body, whereas in JJK the soul is more of a crystal, something weaker than the body that can easily be manipulated. It’s essentially just equalizing everything if you say that his ability would work
An additional point to note is that Goku should be able to see all of the curses. This is because all of his senses are essentially superhuman, as it’s hard to argue that Toji (someone that can see cursed spirits) has better showings in this regard. Domains wouldn’t work either on Goku
So he stomps them pretty badly
No, Goku could not see curses, only people with cursed energy can see curses.
And to follow up with that, no, Toji can not see curses either, I have no idea why you freaking think that, but he can't, he has no cursed energy.
@@maxdrags3115 Yes, he can. Because Maki can. She’s able to perceive curse Naoya, and not only that but also sense where his attacks are coming from. I have no idea why you would think Toji cannot, especially because in both the anime and the manga, without cursed energy, he’s able to completely destroy Dagon, a CURSED SPIRIT. That take makes no sense
Also in Hidden Inventory, Toji owns a cursed spirit. He literally made a pact with it. It would make no sense if he “couldn’t see” that but somehow was able to pair up with it
@@maxdrags3115 he can because his senses were heightened so much by the heavenly restriction that he can see them now
@@mizonami1934dude it’s been stated that people without CE can’t see cursed spirits and shown Toji can’t see them neither can maki she legit says it in jjk 0 and when kenjaku uses cursed spirits against the US they couldn’t see them till kenjaku gave them some glasses type shit
@@user-tf9pw7sm1b Maki wasn’t a heavenly restriction user that was awakened in Zero, and with Toji the exact opposite is shown and stated
The manga repeatedly shows and states that because of the enhanced 5 senses people like Toji have, they can see curses. It also doesn’t make any sense how he’d be able to jump into a domain and beat a curse down from inside its own domain without seeing it
Also again, if he couldn’t see curses, then he wouldn’t have the inventory curse like he did in the Hidden Inventory arc. None of what you said is even consistent with how heavenly restriction users are shown
It’s also said that everyone has a little cursed energy. Maki had cursed energy in Zero. The reason she couldn’t see curses is because she had so little that she couldn’t see them. Almost no one in JJK has absolutely zero cursed energy
Another thing about Kid Goku vs Cursed Spirits is Kid Goku was actually shown to be able to sense a *wide* variety of creatures, even before he learnee how to properly sense Chi. In one of the earliest manga panels vs the Pirate Skull Robot, he tells Bulma that he can sense something in the room underground. Bulma tells him theres no way and Goku tells her that he can sense that its not a living creature
question is,
Would everyone else survive kid goku’s mere battle speed alone shitstomps everyone in this verse alongside his other feats i’d say he’d clear mid diff @ best
I like to imagine that Kid Goku and Itadori would be friends in this scenario.
There is an argument to be made that goku(and other dragon ball characters) could just see the curses due to the fact that they work similar to spirits. With that being the case its easy to argue that goku could see them just like how everyone in dragon ball z could see and interact with goku while he was dead. I've seen it mentioned a few times that the way 元気 works in db makes it easy go argue that goku would have resistance to mahito. 元気 translates to spiritual energy roughly.
some annoying weeb in a server im in randomly posted this thumbnail and said
"y...yes? Even if we're talking Kid Goku, specifically king piccolo arc Goku, which is what that photo is...he sweeps the floor with Sukuna, let alone anybody else."
Please feel free to make fun of him
Given that Goku learned the kamehama ha upon seeing it wouldn't Goku also be able to learn cursed energy upon seeing it or experiencing it not that he would have mastery he just gets a general idea
Idk, sounds hard to imagine because it's a different power system, but if Goku learns to use emotion power ups from his saiyan heritage (like saiyan anger) maybe he'll learn cursed energy.
I mean, it could, he learn many things just by seeing and training, haki, UI, Kamehameha, kioken, lighting when he use it on kid Buu, and many other things
Goku doesnt have ce in the first place
@@White_Crystal_Snowwdym ui lol he didnt learn ui from anyone else he trained to it
@@Jotenks cough, whis taught him in movie, show and movie of resurrection Frieza, against goldan, merus taught him? So that means he didn't learn? He just said "oh, I should learn how to dodge without thinking, yeah I'm so smart I don't need no one to teach me. "
Your vids are really good and you got some pretty interesting topics compared to the rest of the community. Keep going!
What about kratos can he survive the shibuya or what if he replace gojo in the sukuna fight?
Dude, Kratos swings his blades and all of Jujutsu Kaisen dies.
He speed blitzes and one shots the verse. I don’t know why you thought this would be a fun idea.
kratos>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>entire verse
Kratos slams sukuna easily. Especially if they don’t back off after the first time.
Coughing baby vs big bang💀
"Would a planet-busting meteorite beat humanity" Good vid, i enjoyed it despite the one sidedness
i think Goku could yell his way out of a DE
people without CE cannot be taken by a DE unless they break into it with force
Hey man, I loved thevideo. Could u do a video on if kami could survive the shibuya ark? It would be a fun video, fighting cursed spirits is pretty much kamis job as guardion of the earth, and kami can sense evil so he could sense curses instead of seeing them
People seems to forget Jogo is stronger than Mahito, but bro had the bad luck of having to fight the 2 strongest characters in the verse
mahito has hax, also mahito's true form is probably stronger then jogo or equal to.
5:42 Maki being mach 3 at that point is wildly inconsistent and has even been stated by Gege to have been an error in his own math.
Why couldn’t Goku simply avoid Mahito? He learned to sense ki after drinking the ultra divine water
Ki isn't cursed energy
@@Icantthinkofanything-t1p yeah but every living thing has a small amount of ki. This includes mahito. Goku would have a small amount of CE as well. In dragon ball everything has ki including plants and animals.
@@lxxdccvii4805you forgot that these are 2 different universes,so mahito does not have ki
@@008-._79 if that were the case then Goku wouldn’t have any cursed energy and would be completely unaffected by mahito. We need to take aspects from both universes for this to work.
Why are people treating be the Shibuya Incident like it’s the Rumbling?? A better comparison would be either of the My Hero Academia war arcs where a full city got disintegrated & Shigaraki can just kill you from miles away. Literally thousands of people across Japan had to pre-plane days ahead of schedule just to not completely get their asses whooped.
imagine instead of toji entering dagons domain but goku does jnstead lmfao
Goku would probably enslave him and force him to produce seafood for the rest of his life
@ real
We love the Goku and Bardock OST from Dragon Ball Legends at this point at 8:30
I would disagree with jjk caping at Mach speed considering gojo’s hollow purple is imaginary mass made up of Tachyonic particles which would at least move as fast as light which mahoraga could react to and even then maki catching a bullet point blank in the good will arc would make her above Mach 3 even before she awakened with yuji and in turn mahito and choso scaling to that if you take out the author’s statements there’s so much evidence suggesting that jjk goes well above Mach 3 other then that this video was really fun to watch
Actually, the author did comment and say he regretted the Mach 3 statement, as he realized that JJK characters are faster than that.
Gege retconned the bullet feat also gojos hollow purple is too inconsistent to be taken litterally
Gege doesn’t even know how gojos hollow purple works
Great video but what about when Mr. Popo was training Goku to be like a "Rock" and sense everything around him? Goku at that point could dodge projectiles trhown by mr popo by just sensing their vibrations in the air, even with his eyes closed while meditating. Couldn't this technically give him some advantage against mahito?
y’all seem to forget that Popo’s training was after Goku vs King Piccolo which was after the 22nd Budokai which isn’t the version of Kid Goku used in the video
The real question is would shibuya arc survive goku?
This video in a nutshell:
"Either Goku annihilates the enemy with utter ease, or the enemy has some total bullcrap and broken ability... in that case, Goku will in fact obliterate the enemy with a Kamehameha."
Kid goku would neg current sukuna ong
sukuna fanboys: NO NO NOOOOO YOUR OPINION IS WRONG + RATIO + L
JUJITSU KAIJEN SOLOS DRAGON BALL’Z UNIVERSE AND ZENO
Na world cutting slash one shots
@@jasperking442goku just got a paper cut
@@jareton na he’d be in two pieces
@@jasperking442 u r thinking about Gojo
DID ANYONE NOTICE THE SUNSCRIBE BUTTON ON 1:51 IT HAD A RAINBOW AURA
sun scribe
I disagree you forgot the power pole.
Goku can just expand it and and spin around to just smack nahito of planet. Even if he can't see him.
Also yes mahito would be knocked back by the hits like he was knocked back from Todo's black flash
thats boring. plus goku doesnt fight like that unless he has no choice
If you are limiting it to Kid Goku, if you used Tien in place in the same timescale, he would probably have a better chance, due to learning the Evil containment wave, and being just as strong as him. Not to mention one could argue that his third eye enlightenment would help him see his opponents.
So would Naruto be able to hurt Mahito since he has Kurama inside him? He’s a soul in Naruto’s body
Kurama scares ts outta Mahito
verse equalization. since kurama is a soul inside another person, if you equalize verses (chakra is equivalent to cursed energy) then yeah, mahito cant do shit
Naruto solos the verse by simply sneezing💀
There are 3 ways Goku would be able to see Cursed Spirits
1. DB Hax- it is pretty well known that in DB if you are a good amount stronger than your opponent then DB characters just bypass their hax
2.(more likely/fair) life and death situations- Normal humans can gain the ability to see cursed spirits if they are in a life or death situation. So if Goku sees random people dying or gets attacked by a cursed spirirt he would most likely awaken the ability
3. Pure senses: Toji is able to see curses because of his heightened senses, it is likely Goku has higher senses than him so he should be able to “see” them using his senses
Goku's ki is genki part have soul properties. Means Goku have soul properties and defense.
Bro atleast research on ki elements first.
I like how’d this start as some kinda toriyama Halloween special
“HALLOWEEN…spooky monster holiday? Ok” goku would probably roll through the whole incident and not ask any questions😂😂😂
3:38
This contradicts your statement that firstly, Master Roshi did not reach a thousand in power level, and despite that, he destroyed the moon, doubling Max Power's power is not a thousand, so this argument does not frankly prove anything.
The arguments that Goku is superior to Master Roshi and his Kamehameha are more so there really is nothing to cope with.
Max power roshi>great ape kid goku(1200~1800)
The better question is,if the shibuya incident is surviving goku
Goku wouldnt be able to die because of the wish Bardock made to protect him and Radditz in the gronolah arc, if you consider that part of super cannon to this part of dragon ball. But otherwise I really dont see any faults in this vid
That makes no fucking sense, Goku has died many fucking times.
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@@maxdrags3115As a child he did not die...
Only when he was fully grown with a child.
The wish was already done 😂
Seriously just stop you are gonna embarass yourself.
@@maxdrags3115bardock literally was shown to make a wish that would keep goku safe untill he grew up by the time of his 1st death he was already grown up
If kid Goku shows up during the shinbuya incident then the episode gonna start with the one punch man theme playing💀
more like could shibuya survive goku
mid fight: "ohhhh so thats how you do it, let me try that"
It's actually very easy to prove that mahito wouldn't be able to one shot Goku because mahito couldn't even one shot nanami who had no idea what soul manipulation was and constantly mentions that he can't one shot people stronger than him who are at full health. Even if you don't equalize the systems Goku's power level vs that of a normal mortals atp should be able to determine how he'd fare. And you can't really use the same trick on him more than a couple times
Yeah people often forget that Mahito's abilities and similar others aren't limitless hax that work on people 10x, 100x, 1000x+ stronger than them. Not to mention you'd have to equalize the verse's concept of soul for mahito to even affect souls outside of his verse that same, otherwise, what's stopping Goku from just sensing them all with ki? Doesn't exactly make sense for one concept to apply universally while the other doesn't.
Hell, even if we ignore all of that, Goku being a saiyan and not a human, something mahito's' familiar with makes it likely he doesn't understand the shape of his soul, that and souls in DB working differently to begin with. Multiple things make the scenario favoring mahito not only far more unlikely than not, but also requires bias to even get to that point.
@@The_Andromeda_Galaxyin jjk when your soul changes also your body changes and goku isn't from jjk universe the attack would not work
@@geraldoedoby6868exactly
@@geraldoedoby6868And goku is also a fck alien that is faster than toji he is blitzing mahito
I don't know where you got mountain level for Dagon but Jogo is by far the strongest Disaster Curse in terms of pure destructive output. And I think you're forgetting that with domain expansion, Maximum Meteor is a sure hit attack. Goku would literally have to find Jogo(assuming he can't see him) and blitz him in one hit. Depending on which version of Kid Goku this is ofc
7:38 at this point in the video you stated didn't have the capacity yet to do the whole fight without thinking thing, though this is actually foreshadowed since early dragon ball, with his training with mr popo, anyway great vid you got my sub
I don't think great ape would be a problem, as all sukuna would have to do is cut his tail
And Sukuna would know to do that how? And he would have to be strong enough to actually cut it.
@@donniehamilton7797i mean puar was strong enough to cut gokus tail, theres no way sukuna is weaker than puar
@@Bengt2509that’s before he trained with roshi, goku is stronger after the first tournament. Like way stronger by comparison to where he was in that moment
@@Bengt2509the difference between that goku and 21st budokai goku is ridiculous 💀
That goku whose tail was cut by puar was struggling against very early series yamcha. Unable to break through steel and etc.
21st budokai goku was as strong if not Sligh weaker than rushing. Roshi would fodderize yamcha POST his training
@@Bengt2509😂 sukuna scales to puar. Dismantle and cleave. -puar
Remember that time kid Goku casually brought a couple dudes and a rabbit to the moon in like a minute with his power pole? He's gonna be that casual with man handling Mahoraga
Take kid goku from the king piccolo arc
Id say that kid goku, probably couldnt be transfigured cuz of ki inof itself.
Its awareness of ones soul correct that blocks mahitos touch kill policy. Goku probably resists passively
This makes me want a “what if Goku was in JJK”
Idle Transfiguration doesn't work instantly against opponents who are sufficiently strong. Just Todo was enough for Mahito to think he would need multiple hits, so Goku would probably get hit once, almost nothing happens, and go into serious mode.
You overestimate mahito lol
W vid lonk
Wouldn’t Mahito’s authority only extend to “Humans” though…?
We have no way of testing this, obviously, but someone or something like a Saiyan might we be legitimately immune to his ability. He is the “fear of other humans” a curse meant to embody and yet curse “humans”.
His “curse” might not even work on souls or bodies that are not “of humanity” and “earth”.
no real way to know since aliens don't exist in JJK (as far as we know) but it a possibility
Oh shet good point
Insane cope. It works on souls period.
If you want to equalize don't do it just for one side, bozo
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 Do we KNOW it does though…? That’s the thing. He’s “the fear of other humans”, and like all curses his power is based on what he’s the fear of. He controls humans.
I suppose I’m used to dealing with Fate lore where conceptual questions like that are way more important, but I feel like it’s a reasonable question to ask.
The fact the main premise of JJK isn’t directed at me and that Mahito is the personification of it only contributes to me bothering to ask it, I still feel like it’s a legitimate question. For example Dagon couldn’t control “Blood” which is very similar to water, or he would’ve instant killed everyone. The perception matters, especially so with Jujutsu, so I think whether it would work is in question.
@@Neuviletteiudexofmemes When crossverse scaling, you need to do something called "verse equalisation" so it's actually interesting to discuss.
Wtf is the point of arguing Goku vs Mahito if Mahito's main ability isn't even usable or if Goku can't see or touch Mahito?
5:32 maki vs her sister arc Is at mach 8-10 because of bullets (gege said that It was an error to say that It was mach 3)
Kid Goku is easily planetary+
Hold up what now 😂😂
@@aceshouse3389 debate it .
There just so consistency to that .
I could even push it further. But High planetary is fine Middle spot
@wcomment1926 what feat does he have to suggest that
@@aceshouse3389 back Gokus 1st tournament Roshi Vaporized moon which calcs at Big planet Ap bare min .which roshi has PL of 150(idk exact) something
Goku in piccolo saga massively outsasles that roshi .
@@wcom9999 destroying the moon is totally different from a planet
YES
One advantage kid Goku has against Mahoraga is his general tendency to avoid ki attacks as he doesn't like how hungry they make him. He very much prefers to use kamehameha as a last resort, and at relatively high potency, where as an adult he'd use ki attacks as feelers for the skill and power level of an opponent, making Mahoraga's ability to adapt much less useful.
La fokin mao. KiGoku still clears
1:51 i thought you had like 500k - 1m subs or something, so I never checked or subbed 💀
Yes I subscribed
This is massively low ball to Goku.
Yeah, he’s a faker gang.
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Yeah. Kid goku is moon level and the rest of the verse isnt even close to country level 💀
Goku one shots
If you’re not using verse equalisation then wouldn’t that mean domain expansion would not work on goku as he wouldn’t have cursed energy, apparently those with heavenly restriction are seen are inanimate objects when they enter a domain so the sure hit effect won’t activate.
İn my opinion question is wrong.I think we should ask Could shibuya survive 😂😂
7:25 ive got proof why mahito cant one-shot goku. because nanami also got touched by mahito and didnt instantly die. that means if someone strong enough he can tank it
Not really, it's explained that nanami was unconsciously protecting his soul with Curse Energy.
about the same thing. if you are strong enough u can survive it @@Outer_God_Shuma
@@UnsuitableNickNameForNow It's not because he was strong, or else this would have worked for Todo too.