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You know they always have to put repeat fillers because there's not much new information to keep talking about. Give them a break you couldn't do any better.
I remember watching a video on TH-cam about ten years ago, narrated by an Apollo Program engineer, that reviewed launch footage of Saturn V launches. He described in detail what was happening at each moment of the launch sequence. I specifically remember the quick disconnect, and how it was completely retracted inside a room with a steel door on the launch tower for protection.
17:20 While the booster can't travel that far *while boosting a fully fueled Starship,* that wouldn't be the case for transferring the booster alone. I'm sure it could make it that far without all that extra mass. Just slap a conical cap on top to increase it's aerodynamic property.
I've been thinking the same thing since they started the launch infrastructure in Florida. Boosters can probably make the trip if they're not hoisting the second stage. Just add an aerodynamic cone like the Falcon Heavy boosters.
If I weren't retired and living in Oregon, I'd talk to you about helping out. However, at 75 with a bad back, my days are limited to enjoying your postings. Keep up all the great work! Thanks for giving me somthing to look forward to.
Hey! Love the content, never be afraid to throw the extra little starbase details in there for us, even if the video is longer, I dont think any of us mind a longer video from you
Thank you very much! We're working on some extra content similar to our Raptor story right now! Two videos are in the works! th-cam.com/video/6cwue7jMkww/w-d-xo.html
When you wash each section of starship going together. You notice that the final flaps are only on the final piece and it overlaps the one in front of it by a lot and doesn't really touch it by much. That's why most of it can burn away and the hinges all the way out in a different piece of the tube.
Felix, what a great post = all straight forward facts, no gimmick entertainment. Thanks. The fantastic photo quality and composition of the shots is wonderful - thanks for so many good photos supporting your narrative. Again, this was a great post on all aspects. You and your team did indeed rock.
If they burnt H2 then “fully steam ahead” would be more or less appropriate. As it is, part of Felix’s charm is his battle with English idioms, or idiomatic English if you prefer.
When I first started getting interested in SpaceX, I was confused as to why they chose not to have a trench for the first launch pad. When I thought of rockets, I thought of the trench to redirect the flames.
Makes sense. If they're going to get anywhere near 25 launches this year, they need 2 launch towers and twice the production rate. And to hit the goal at this point (with the 2nd tower behind schedule and the having to perform a mishap investigation), they'll absolutely need to reuse some hardware on top.
Ultimately he's got to have a pair of towers working in tandem, with dedicated mobile launch and recovery stands. He can't expect to protect the OLM from the blast of a catch spraying all around it. Just have a dedicated, spartan recovery crawler. Particularly if wants to really turnaround fast in the future. For that matter he needs all facilities connected by rail, prep on the mobile OLM, save all of the rigging, loading, unloading, rigging when moving the boosters around.
@@misty.gt243 Thankfully, the booster has sufficient fuel reserves to handle both maneuvers effectively, especially since no boostback burn is required. In the future, the Starship will also fly over land. But all of this will take time. I think if it is the most efficient way, SpaceX will try it.
we already know that test tank 16 isnt a block 2 test article, because in the spacex renders og block 2 booster, the grid fins are 90 degrees from eachother, but test tank 16 has the block 1 design
I really hope they are saving examples of these boosters for museums. I know that is a waste of funds now but it will be invaluable in inspiring future generations in the coming decades.
I can see Booster 14 being the first to be static fired but I doubt that they want to take the chance on another RUD this soon after Ship 33 by actually flying 14 now. The other possibility is that 14 maybe used to launch the first test item for the Starship Tanker version. Time will tell.
I was wondering how many Falcon 9 Boosters were ever build. XAI/Grok told me: As of the latest information, SpaceX has produced 45 Falcon 9 Block 5 boosters (does not include previous versions). So, it took only 45 vehicles to completely revolutionize Space Travel in half a decade.
If you have to tilt the rocket away from the launch tower during launch, and you have to point the flamey end toward the tower to stop the sideways motion of the booster during a catch, maybe putting the booster quick disconnect at the base of the tower wasn't the best engineering decision.
As always, I love your reporting. Gotta say it, tho': SpaceX is not "fully steam ahead." It's "full steam ahead." That's because the saying comes from the era of steam power, and steam engines running at maximum were "at full steam." Like a steamboat. "The captain commanded 'full steam ahead!'" Sorry to nitpick but it would be a shame if we lost the true meaning of the saying. There's a rich history behind it. Just imagine if a hundred year from now, people forget the terms from today and lose the rich history of today's transportation technology! It would be sad if Starship/Superheavy was forgotten. The history of transportation power and technology is worth remembering! Keep up the great work. I look forwards to every WAI video.
Like when people think it is "tow the line" when it is "toe the line" as you were being told to stand with your toes up against the line painted on the ground but not ON the line. Or trolling a forum has nothing to do with the mythical troll but is a fishing term for trailing a lure in front of an area fish were believed to be in.
@@Scanner9631 I often read criticism of efforts to correct and maintain language, where the person says "language is a living thing, always changing" and sure, it is, but when it's just a matter of forgetting what something meant, it makes sense to remind people - there's a difference between changing usage and simple information loss. I used to think it was "tow the line" and was surprised to learn it is "toe the line." I'd rather admit my mistake and learn something. That troll thing got me too, which is silly because I was an avid angler as a young man.
I still can't get away from the notion that despite adding weight and possibly losing a little cargo space the addition of landing legs which are needed for mars and moon landings anyway landing next to the tower would solve so many issues, namely repair work on the launch pads. It's so easy to get locked into and idea and become fixated on making it work rather than say let's come at this from a different angle. Just a thought.
Kinda think Booster 14 will be reused for the next launch, 15 will be saved for the first orbital attempt, and 17 built as a backup incase of issues with either 14 or 15.
From how I see pad B flame trench, it's going to change shape after the first launch, the diverter in the middle is going to disappear very fast, or be just blown away, from the middle out, we shall see how well it works after the first launch.
Hi Felix. The speculation on the added area of rebar at OLM2 seems a bit off to me. Why would SpaceX need a movable launch mount? If the chopsticks are to remain as the primary method of placing the Starship stack (booster and ship) onto the OLM, there would be no need for a movable OLM. Even if there was a reason that this may be useful, the likelihood of that reason justifying the huge expense (engineering + construction) is minimal, plus the Booster would be at an acute angle when translating up the needed ramp, again, why?. However, as you covered, there may be a good reason for this additional area to be constructed, a movable "dance floor" makes perfect sense IMHO.
I've been suggesting, in stead of tower catching, a movable platform for landing an launching before, but people replied it would be to difficult and to costly to build. 😂 But the Chinese already use it at Jiuquan and to help guide and fix the landing booster and ship, I could imagine some structures like the 4 arms they use at the Baikonur Cosmodrome that move close to the vehicles, instead of the chopsticks. Under these landing/launch platforms, should be big fire flame pits.
Would it be interesting to take a piece that came back from space and put it on the can crusher and see what it got worse? Or how many flights you're into it you can then can crush it.
Since the QD arm gets burned at every landing, why not move the arm to the other side of the OLM, that way no matter how much the flames lick the base of the tower QD would be safe
Widespread speculation is that that’s exactly what they are doing with Pad B. The way the commodities trench for Pad B runs along the outer (furthest from the tower) side of the flame trench strongly supports this speculation.
@@shaung949 True but that will not help the tower and booster QD during takeoff and landing and that is the problem with the olm now is the booster QD gets roasted. A rainbird that starts when the hood shuts would absorb a lot of thermal energy.
@ they may have water cooling integrated into the new QD hood, not seen the new QD yet so too early to tell but they don't normaly make the same mistake twice.
The Tower a was built with the engine design of block one. Once you add a block to with a different engine design you must go to a more universal or Tower b where anything can be launched from.
An excellent episode, Felix. Your detailed, timely research into what’s happening at Starbase (including the subtle but significant changes that are mostly ignored by other observers) and at Roberts Road, is impressive. And your speculations as to what is really happening behind the scenes are accordingly more thoughtful and considered. Gone are the days of “it must be a water tower”. Now, thanks to your videos, we are forced to think more clearly and creatively about what SpaceX are actually up to. Keep it up! 👏
Theoretically the boosters could be launched without a ship on top to be flown to Florida and caught. Since they are re-usable and they are building a star factory 2.0(1.2?) there, this will almost certainly never happen, but the deltaV for the trip is definitely there.
Are you factoring "slow down and land at the other end" into your calculations? It's hard to get good numbers, but best I can tell, an _expended_ Falcon 9 booster travels about 1000km downrange. It seems doubtful that even without a payload, a Starship booster can make it 1700km with enough in the tanks to make re-entry, braking and landing burns...
The gravel on the ramp serves as a base to build the rebarb system on a clean surface, so that no mud might get on the steel before beeing covered in the concrete slab
There will be an engineered requirement for compaction, they had to drive piles to prevent the slab becoming a boat, there a few problems to get around at that site water piping through the soil being one of them.
The mobile launch mount makes the most economical sense. Just like a dedicated mobile trolley at some car mfg. Something to be integrated into the starship building process?
From our perspective, It would seem better to have the booster come in at a more vertical position. That would keep much of the flames off of the tower itself.
My guess is no booster re-fly on the next flight. They lost the ship last time & missed out on getting all of that valuable pez dispenser and extra reentry data (various extra heat shield tests and testing the thermal integrity of the ship catching pins) so I suspect that SpaceX is going to want to de-risk the next flight as much as possible to make sure that the ship makes it to reentry.
You make a Good point about de-risking the next launch. Considering the previous booster worked well, that may be a less risky one to use than an untried one. Maybe.
@ Fair point. There are arguments both ways. We’re all guessing and we’ll find out soon enough. Not in February I fear, despite what Elon said, but maybe the second half of March is my guess.
The Starship landing pad (but not tower) should have a massive ceramic shield that sheaths almost the entire structure except at the hold down clamp. The same concept of a moveable ceramic shield for the fuel arm.
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Just a thought, If they increased the height of the launch towers 50%, catching a returning booster or starship would be less damaging to the ground? Possibly launching it while suspended in the air with chopsticks would also be less damaging? Might require stronger chopsticks…
Will someone eventually explain the "why" behind the various place names? Why is the Sanchez site called Sanchez, Massey's, etc. Might make a neat "bonus" episode.
Massey's was because it used to be a gun shop and shooting range there. Spacex brought it and Massey's itself moved down the road closer to Brownsville.
Excellent update. I have been wondering how they will get boosters to the Cape from Texas. Sea transport maybe? But prob just build in Roberts Road. Great work as always.
There are exactly 1662km (1033 miles) from Starbase launch pad to the Cape Canaveral launch pad. Pretty sure both Super Heavy and Starship should be able to fly on their own on a suborbital trajectory. With an apogee of 120km, target speed should be just 5526 km/h (3433 mph). Super Heavy is already faster than this when carrying Starship, so it could fly even higher and faster. Just stick an aerodynamic cone to the booster to keep the efficiency. If they won't do this, the actual problem probably is flying over populated areas.
17:57 I think you made some mistakes with your conversion from imperial to metric system :D Starbase is surly bigger than a standard 1 family house (302 m2). Should be 300.000 m2
I'll bet that the split flame trench turns out to be garbage, with the apex not being up to the task of splitting the thrust which by definition is more than the weight of the ship and booster.
13:30 they should install distance sensors along those arms to more precisely catch the booster withou risking it getting squeezed or bouncing to the point of missing the catch.
Why isn't the flame trench more rounded as opposed to flat surfaces? A rounded trench would allow the flame exhaust to escape with less damage from underneath the pad. It will cut down slightly on the vehicle's initial thrust upward but would save so much money as the trench would not have to be so massively rebuilt after every launch.
The trench is just to contain the flames, the diverter is what redirects it outwards. The diverter is water cooled so it doesn't melt with the heat of the exhaust.
Hey Felix, I must admit that it is more and more challenging for me to watch your videos since Elon hast been completely unhinged in past months. I've been keenly watching since SN1 and I really really enjoyed your enthusiasm and passion about space travel and I so share that. My issues are the new developments with Elon (e.g. him endorsing die beschissene AfD). I know that your Channel is a news outlet about everything "space" but since the core of WAI always has been SpaceX i feel that there is some responsibility to put things into perspective. Reason for that is that you portray their work overwhelmingly positively (mostly rightfully so). I dont want to tell you or your team what to so but I want to give you some insight into a German space nerds thoughts. I can imagine that it is a sensible topic and it is hard to maneuver with the positive character of the channel. Nevertheless we are not talking about childish Elon-jokes and business decisions. The scope of things have changed I guess. To finish up... I personally would love for you to give your opinion about current happenings and maybe be a little more critical here and there. Best wishes Martin
I would bet Roberts road in Florida gets its own raptor factory. You can't just keep transporting one a day all the way across the country just build them in Florida too.
I don't buy that SuperHeavy couldn't fly itself from Boca Chica to Florida. While I suppose it cannot reach orbit by itself, intuitively I'd expect it to be able to reach at least Florida on a ballistic flight and probably further than that.
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Please put timestamps into the video, with the massive amount of information you give us, it would make watching your videos more pleasant.
massive? (im sorry)
New* information . Lots of filler repeat news.
Make that your job.
You know they always have to put repeat fillers because there's not much new information to keep talking about. Give them a break you couldn't do any better.
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I remember watching a video on TH-cam about ten years ago, narrated by an Apollo Program engineer, that reviewed launch footage of Saturn V launches. He described in detail what was happening at each moment of the launch sequence. I specifically remember the quick disconnect, and how it was completely retracted inside a room with a steel door on the launch tower for protection.
Come to think of it, I remember it clear as daylight too. So yes, why are they not shielding it as in hiding it completely?
Evens so, that room you describe and the connections within were often severely damaged anyway, but that was never really highlighted very much.
@@IsabinMarius Makes it more complex, this is only the first design and they are learning what not to do for the next one.
@@shaung949 I'd say a thing to not do in future is leave it exposed... Lol.
I remember that, IIRC he also has a really good one on the Apollo 10 LEM descent stage jettison.
17:20 While the booster can't travel that far *while boosting a fully fueled Starship,* that wouldn't be the case for transferring the booster alone. I'm sure it could make it that far without all that extra mass. Just slap a conical cap on top to increase it's aerodynamic property.
Also, can't you transport it by water? I think parts of Saturn V were transported that way.
The booster alone can easily generate enough Delta-v to travel ballistically over the 1700 km to Cape Canaveral.
It's too round on the top. It needs to be pointy otherwise it will look like a giant ***** as it flies towards them.
I've been thinking the same thing since they started the launch infrastructure in Florida. Boosters can probably make the trip if they're not hoisting the second stage. Just add an aerodynamic cone like the Falcon Heavy boosters.
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If I weren't retired and living in Oregon, I'd talk to you about helping out. However, at 75 with a bad back, my days are limited to enjoying your postings. Keep up all the great work! Thanks for giving me somthing to look forward to.
I agree. I too live in Oregon and am retired but I'm only 72 and would love to provide help in some way.
@@MichaelCarriger so putting your hand over your heart then shoving it out to your audience is a bad thing?
Can't even watch with all the comercials😢
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@@deanjohnson4597 Nope, nothing wrong with that. It was all the rage in 1940's Germany.
About the retractable platform and launch mount, making a single ramp that could serve both purposes would be almost trivial.
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Hey! Love the content, never be afraid to throw the extra little starbase details in there for us, even if the video is longer, I dont think any of us mind a longer video from you
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@@Whataboutit seeing an hour + long video of the devopment af starbase would be amazing
They don't have to build boosters in Florida... they can just fly them there from starbase and catch them, right? 😉
Depends on the costs but hey, why not? They’re reusable after all. Just want to make sure that they’re not mistaken for an incoming missile.
Sounds like a good plan but they will still need another production facility to make as many ships needed
The single most expensive way to transport any item is via space launch.
You know that, right?
@Chris.Davies but what if, this is rectal speculation, the booster was used for a payload launch and than land at the cape?
@@brianbiddle7590 I guess that would depend on the remaining fuel supply for the booster guidance to its new coordinates
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When you wash each section of starship going together. You notice that the final flaps are only on the final piece and it overlaps the one in front of it by a lot and doesn't really touch it by much. That's why most of it can burn away and the hinges all the way out in a different piece of the tube.
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Thanks, Felix and team, for this update. The amount of details is amazing.
Felix, what a great post = all straight forward facts, no gimmick entertainment. Thanks.
The fantastic photo quality and composition of the shots is wonderful - thanks for so many good photos supporting your narrative. Again, this was a great post on all aspects. You and your team did indeed rock.
Fully steam ahead implies they are moving to steam engines.
Full steam ahead is the phrase.
If they burnt H2 then “fully steam ahead” would be more or less appropriate. As it is, part of Felix’s charm is his battle with English idioms, or idiomatic English if you prefer.
WOW ... 😮 ... That's a lot of information packed onto one report!
When I first started getting interested in SpaceX, I was confused as to why they chose not to have a trench for the first launch pad. When I thought of rockets, I thought of the trench to redirect the flames.
Makes sense. If they're going to get anywhere near 25 launches this year, they need 2 launch towers and twice the production rate. And to hit the goal at this point (with the 2nd tower behind schedule and the having to perform a mishap investigation), they'll absolutely need to reuse some hardware on top.
Great work as always Felix and crew!
They could always use a massive shipping container load like 10 boosters and starships onto them then ship them over through the golf
The Golf of America :P
That speculative launch mount is very Thunderbirds.
or Fireball XL5
Visually I think of Starship as a blend of of Thunderbird 1 and 2.
Ultimately he's got to have a pair of towers working in tandem, with dedicated mobile launch and recovery stands. He can't expect to protect the OLM from the blast of a catch spraying all around it. Just have a dedicated, spartan recovery crawler. Particularly if wants to really turnaround fast in the future. For that matter he needs all facilities connected by rail, prep on the mobile OLM, save all of the rigging, loading, unloading, rigging when moving the boosters around.
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Good! Because the Block 2 upper stage was so successful.
The booster alone can easily generate enough Delta-v to travel the 1,700 km to Cape Canaveral. It would require a provisional nose cone etc.
and the FAA to aprove the flight over land.
But it also needs to have a big entry burn since it would be traveling at blazing speeds enough to severely damage the booster, and a landing burn.
And it’s just too risky to fly over land.
@@misty.gt243 Thankfully, the booster has sufficient fuel reserves to handle both maneuvers effectively, especially since no boostback burn is required. In the future, the Starship will also fly over land. But all of this will take time. I think if it is the most efficient way, SpaceX will try it.
we already know that test tank 16 isnt a block 2 test article, because in the spacex renders og block 2 booster, the grid fins are 90 degrees from eachother, but test tank 16 has the block 1 design
mobile launch mount would be great to protect it during landing.
I really hope they are saving examples of these boosters for museums. I know that is a waste of funds now but it will be invaluable in inspiring future generations in the coming decades.
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They need to build a Mag-Lev rail system that can carry the booster and ship to the OML, and have it run along side the highway.
I can see Booster 14 being the first to be static fired but I doubt that they want to take the chance on another RUD this soon after Ship 33 by actually flying 14 now. The other possibility is that 14 maybe used to launch the first test item for the Starship Tanker version. Time will tell.
Should Space X create a water deluge system for the quick disconnect fuel hoses?
I was wondering how many Falcon 9 Boosters were ever build. XAI/Grok told me: As of the latest information, SpaceX has produced 45 Falcon 9 Block 5 boosters (does not include previous versions). So, it took only 45 vehicles to completely revolutionize Space Travel in half a decade.
If you have to tilt the rocket away from the launch tower during launch, and you have to point the flamey end toward the tower to stop the sideways motion of the booster during a catch, maybe putting the booster quick disconnect at the base of the tower wasn't the best engineering decision.
Pretty sure they will use both facilities and maybe more to eventually reach their goal of space exploration and settlement
SpaceX should fly boosters from Boca Chica to Cape Canaveral.
Can I hitch a ride?
As always, I love your reporting. Gotta say it, tho': SpaceX is not "fully steam ahead." It's "full steam ahead." That's because the saying comes from the era of steam power, and steam engines running at maximum were "at full steam." Like a steamboat. "The captain commanded 'full steam ahead!'"
Sorry to nitpick but it would be a shame if we lost the true meaning of the saying. There's a rich history behind it. Just imagine if a hundred year from now, people forget the terms from today and lose the rich history of today's transportation technology! It would be sad if Starship/Superheavy was forgotten. The history of transportation power and technology is worth remembering!
Keep up the great work. I look forwards to every WAI video.
Like when people think it is "tow the line" when it is "toe the line" as you were being told to stand with your toes up against the line painted on the ground but not ON the line. Or trolling a forum has nothing to do with the mythical troll but is a fishing term for trailing a lure in front of an area fish were believed to be in.
@@Scanner9631 I often read criticism of efforts to correct and maintain language, where the person says "language is a living thing, always changing" and sure, it is, but when it's just a matter of forgetting what something meant, it makes sense to remind people - there's a difference between changing usage and simple information loss. I used to think it was "tow the line" and was surprised to learn it is "toe the line." I'd rather admit my mistake and learn something. That troll thing got me too, which is silly because I was an avid angler as a young man.
This content is gold! Thanks for generously sharing your knowledge.
I still can't get away from the notion that despite adding weight and possibly losing a little cargo space the addition of landing legs which are needed for mars and moon landings anyway landing next to the tower would solve so many issues, namely repair work on the launch pads. It's so easy to get locked into and idea and become fixated on making it work rather than say let's come at this from a different angle.
Just a thought.
Video is under 20min .. that's crazy
Kinda think Booster 14 will be reused for the next launch, 15 will be saved for the first orbital attempt, and 17 built as a backup incase of issues with either 14 or 15.
1:37 o... a camaro.! (car guy problems)
Oh yeah she was looking good right there
From how I see pad B flame trench, it's going to change shape after the first launch, the diverter in the middle is going to disappear very fast, or be just blown away, from the middle out, we shall see how well it works after the first launch.
Hi Felix. The speculation on the added area of rebar at OLM2 seems a bit off to me. Why would SpaceX need a movable launch mount? If the chopsticks are to remain as the primary method of placing the Starship stack (booster and ship) onto the OLM, there would be no need for a movable OLM. Even if there was a reason that this may be useful, the likelihood of that reason justifying the huge expense (engineering + construction) is minimal, plus the Booster would be at an acute angle when translating up the needed ramp, again, why?.
However, as you covered, there may be a good reason for this additional area to be constructed, a movable "dance floor" makes perfect sense IMHO.
I've been suggesting, in stead of tower catching, a movable platform for landing an launching before, but people replied it would be to difficult and to costly to build. 😂 But the Chinese already use it at Jiuquan and to help guide and fix the landing booster and ship, I could imagine some structures like the 4 arms they use at the Baikonur Cosmodrome that move close to the vehicles, instead of the chopsticks. Under these landing/launch platforms, should be big fire flame pits.
Would it be interesting to take a piece that came back from space and put it on the can crusher and see what it got worse? Or how many flights you're into it you can then can crush it.
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Since the QD arm gets burned at every landing, why not move the arm to the other side of the OLM, that way no matter how much the flames lick the base of the tower QD would be safe
Widespread speculation is that that’s exactly what they are doing with Pad B. The way the commodities trench for Pad B runs along the outer (furthest from the tower) side of the flame trench strongly supports this speculation.
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Please, please make this Rocket go to Mars! To take Musk, his Cult and Nazi regime there!
I loved the final render for Florida
The Booster QD and bottom half of tower needs rainbirds to reduce the number of repairs between flights for launch and landing.
They have water cooling built into the new launch mount.
@@shaung949 True but that will not help the tower and booster QD during takeoff and landing and that is the problem with the olm now is the booster QD gets roasted. A rainbird that starts when the hood shuts would absorb a lot of thermal energy.
@ they may have water cooling integrated into the new QD hood, not seen the new QD yet so too early to tell but they don't normaly make the same mistake twice.
15:36 Looks more like Umbrella Corporation getting involved
The Tower a was built with the engine design of block one. Once you add a block to with a different engine design you must go to a more universal or Tower b where anything can be launched from.
An excellent episode, Felix. Your detailed, timely research into what’s happening at Starbase (including the subtle but significant changes that are mostly ignored by other observers) and at Roberts Road, is impressive. And your speculations as to what is really happening behind the scenes are accordingly more thoughtful and considered. Gone are the days of “it must be a water tower”. Now, thanks to your videos, we are forced to think more clearly and creatively about what SpaceX are actually up to.
Keep it up! 👏
Theoretically the boosters could be launched without a ship on top to be flown to Florida and caught. Since they are re-usable and they are building a star factory 2.0(1.2?) there, this will almost certainly never happen, but the deltaV for the trip is definitely there.
Are you factoring "slow down and land at the other end" into your calculations? It's hard to get good numbers, but best I can tell, an _expended_ Falcon 9 booster travels about 1000km downrange. It seems doubtful that even without a payload, a Starship booster can make it 1700km with enough in the tanks to make re-entry, braking and landing burns...
I think that the boosters would be more than capable of reaching Florida if they did not have a starship on top of them.
The gravel on the ramp serves as a base to build the rebarb system on a clean surface, so that no mud might get on the steel before beeing covered in the concrete slab
There will be an engineered requirement for compaction, they had to drive piles to prevent the slab becoming a boat, there a few problems to get around at that site water piping through the soil being one of them.
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Great video. Thanks again.
The mobile launch mount makes the most economical sense. Just like a dedicated mobile trolley at some car mfg. Something to be integrated into the starship building process?
Is anybody else concerned with the angle the booster makes with the tower upon return and the fact they have shortened the chopsticks?
It looks worse in most of the footage than it actually is. There's plenty of room when done correctly
From our perspective, It would seem better to have the booster come in at a more vertical position. That would keep much of the flames off of the tower itself.
"The bigger, the better!"
...but also...
"The bigger they are, the harder they fall."
When that thing fails, they better have a backup.
Reusing booster 14 makes sense !
My guess is no booster re-fly on the next flight. They lost the ship last time & missed out on getting all of that valuable pez dispenser and extra reentry data (various extra heat shield tests and testing the thermal integrity of the ship catching pins) so I suspect that SpaceX is going to want to de-risk the next flight as much as possible to make sure that the ship makes it to reentry.
You make a Good point about de-risking the next launch. Considering the previous booster worked well, that may be a less risky one to use than an untried one. Maybe.
@ Fair point. There are arguments both ways. We’re all guessing and we’ll find out soon enough. Not in February I fear, despite what Elon said, but maybe the second half of March is my guess.
The Starship landing pad (but not tower) should have a massive ceramic shield that sheaths almost the entire structure except at the hold down clamp. The same concept of a moveable ceramic shield for the fuel arm.
Why not line the whole trench with heat tiles? That would really help divert the heat coupled by the angle and water cooling
Heat tiles would break under the hammer force of the engines. Re-entry heat is hotter, but not as forceful.
How are you connected to WAI Plus? I notice my WAI membership doesn't extend to them.
It's our small second channel. So, it's us, but TH-cam doesn't allow for us to have the membership transition over unfortunately. There's nothing we could do. We tried releasing WAI Plus content on the main channel but the audience did not like that at all because of too many notifications.
Just wanted to say you’re awesome bro 🎉
Great coverage on space insights and congratulations on growing the team.
Godspeed, king🚀
babe wake up wai just posted!!
Starship may have to be 3D printed with coolant lines feeding into the gas cooled heat panels but that's a BIG COST INCREASE.
Just a thought, If they increased the height of the launch towers 50%, catching a returning booster or starship would be less damaging to the ground? Possibly launching it while suspended in the air with chopsticks would also be less damaging? Might require stronger chopsticks…
Joining the “WAI team” made me pause for a second to understand what I just heard 😂 Great work felix and team.
I hope they keep the name 'Stargate' as the launch control center even if it is in the new office building area!
Try and use a little bit more synonyms, and reduce the redundant words like ´however'
This is my stop to get info about SpaceX.
ITS A CARTOON .
@@harrymacdonald858 No, dude.... YOU"RE the cartoon so welcome to LALA land.
I hear that Elon is building starships so he can take all his sycophants to Mars with him so he can have his own little dictatorship.
So Felix how do you enjoy Ellen's Salute? Since you come from ....
I would love to see you upload these episodes on apple podcasts
Will someone eventually explain the "why" behind the various place names? Why is the Sanchez site called Sanchez, Massey's, etc. Might make a neat "bonus" episode.
Massey's was because it used to be a gun shop and shooting range there. Spacex brought it and Massey's itself moved down the road closer to Brownsville.
Excellent update. I have been wondering how they will get boosters to the Cape from Texas. Sea transport maybe? But prob just build in Roberts Road. Great work as always.
There are exactly 1662km (1033 miles) from Starbase launch pad to the Cape Canaveral launch pad. Pretty sure both Super Heavy and Starship should be able to fly on their own on a suborbital trajectory. With an apogee of 120km, target speed should be just 5526 km/h (3433 mph). Super Heavy is already faster than this when carrying Starship, so it could fly even higher and faster. Just stick an aerodynamic cone to the booster to keep the efficiency. If they won't do this, the actual problem probably is flying over populated areas.
17:57 I think you made some mistakes with your conversion from imperial to metric system :D Starbase is surly bigger than a standard 1 family house (302 m2). Should be 300.000 m2
I'll bet that the split flame trench turns out to be garbage, with the apex not being up to the task of splitting the thrust which by definition is more than the weight of the ship and booster.
Hey Felix, any new info on the Raptor 4 engines?
2:56 will we never again hear
" ...become a WAI supporter, why?..." it was always funny to hear
They also need to finally cut roads between the production site to the Launch and Test Sites.
Enclose the tower in 1/2 inch steel watercool as necessary.
Why not line the areas of the launch fire trough with the same type of tiles as used on the ship?
13:30 they should install distance sensors along those arms to more precisely catch the booster withou risking it getting squeezed or bouncing to the point of missing the catch.
they have, was one of the upgrades for last flight.
Why isn't the flame trench more rounded as opposed to flat surfaces? A rounded trench would allow the flame exhaust to escape with less damage from underneath the pad. It will cut down slightly on the vehicle's initial thrust upward but would save so much money as the trench would not have to be so massively rebuilt after every launch.
The trench is just to contain the flames, the diverter is what redirects it outwards. The diverter is water cooled so it doesn't melt with the heat of the exhaust.
Hey Felix,
I must admit that it is more and more challenging for me to watch your videos since Elon hast been completely unhinged in past months. I've been keenly watching since SN1 and I really really enjoyed your enthusiasm and passion about space travel and I so share that.
My issues are the new developments with Elon (e.g. him endorsing die beschissene AfD).
I know that your Channel is a news outlet about everything "space" but since the core of WAI always has been SpaceX i feel that there is some responsibility to put things into perspective. Reason for that is that you portray their work overwhelmingly positively (mostly rightfully so).
I dont want to tell you or your team what to so but I want to give you some insight into a German space nerds thoughts. I can imagine that it is a sensible topic and it is hard to maneuver with the positive character of the channel. Nevertheless we are not talking about childish Elon-jokes and business decisions. The scope of things have changed I guess.
To finish up... I personally would love for you to give your opinion about current happenings and maybe be a little more critical here and there.
Best wishes
Martin
I love the bloopers!
Space X "We can land but will never get to orbit".
Really nice video!
I would bet Roberts road in Florida gets its own raptor factory. You can't just keep transporting one a day all the way across the country just build them in Florida too.
Hop the booster to “of coarse I still love you”then float it the rest of the way
I think building catch-only towers might be a solution
I don't buy that SuperHeavy couldn't fly itself from Boca Chica to Florida. While I suppose it cannot reach orbit by itself, intuitively I'd expect it to be able to reach at least Florida on a ballistic flight and probably further than that.