I think you're right about the KingSukamon effect. I think it would apply the same way -DP would in that yes, the purge still happens, but the -DP goes through the stack. I say that because of the way the wording is on KS, it applies to the Digimon. The same wording that is used for -DP effects. But I'd still ask the ruling groups.
The Digimon becomes a Sukamon until the end of the opponent's turn. It retains the DP it was set at by the King Sukamon effect. The only way the DP will change is if it becomes a tamer or Level 2 Digimon with no DP because cards without DP cannot have their original DP changed.
You're almost right about the situation at 13:20, but there was a misplay before that, and overall it doesn't make a difference. On one hand, KingSukamon's effect is a lingering effect, so it stays a Sukamon. Same for the DP reduction. In that case, Flamedramon could Armor Purge again, but would eventually die from Etemon's DP reduction. However, there was a misplay which makes it so that Flamedramon would have still survived (though it would remain a white Digimon). Your opponent evolved into Magnamon with Awakening of the Golden Knight on the previous turn, so you shouldn't have been able to DP reduce him with Etemon. He'd still remain a 3K Sukamon, as that counts as setting the DP, not reducing it. But your Etemon would just give him SecAtk-1, but no DP reduction. So luckily it made no difference overall. EDIT: Unless Etemon's effect still counts as a lingering effect, and the DP reduction doesn't do anything for the turn, but once it's his turn he loses 3K again. In that case, it would still have died. That is the part I'm not 100% sure about. But the more I think about it, this sounds similar to the Yuuya-Ice Wall ruling, so I think that might be the case. So Etemon's effect could still linger on Flamedramon and just not do anything DP-wise, but then decrease it by 3K when it passes turn. That's the ruling you'd have to figure out, I guess, because it's quite important in this matchup.
The option card effect only lasts until "opponent's next turn." And that was like two turns ago as I was rewatching it lol so definitely no longer had the DP reduction protection. This whole armor purge/Sukamon thing was extra annoying though. I wish there was an official ruling on the Bandai website for it
Its an effect that applies to a digimon till end of opponents turn. Ruled like any other effect that applies to a digimon till end of opponents turn. In this TCG a "digimon" is the stack, not the card. Otherwise it specifies that its applied to a "digimon card"
Yes, if you turn a Digimon into a lvl 3 sukamon with 3k. And use bt-11 etemons. It would kill everything through game mechanic. Only way to bypass if it has protection from dp reduction.
the digimon had a -3k status for the turn there would keep it no matter what and if it turns into a 3k digmon it wouldnt be able to armor purge cuz nothing stops dp reduction
i also disagree the chuumon from bt11 is very worth i can always choke my friends to 1 lol...thats why i love the deck its very trolly on how you can do so much and still choke someone at1 lol
Yeah, armor purge or dedigivolve doesn't remove effects/ailments like security attack +/-, DP +/-, memory +/- etc. It's not a new digimon like with DNA digivolve so any effect that lasts the turn remains in effect so it armor purges from Sukamon into Sukamon.
Thanks for the feature, sorry about the ruling thing I understand how that interacted so we know regardless of saving it with armor it a game mechanical that kills it.
No, it only changes the name, the color (white) and the dp. Any effects remain the same, but it does mess up the digisource effect's like "if this digimon is greymon/omnimon" etc.
I mean I don’t know if it was malicious but you certainly got cheated you were right on the ruling the magna would armor purge the flamedramon that’s now a Sukamon still would be 3k get deleted and armor purge down to a Veemon which would be a 3k sukamon and then the Veemon would be -3k dp and be deleted by game mechanics
Probably not malicious cause no one else has played the poop deck at locals. I just wonder if it would’ve made a difference. I think I could’ve forced a tie, and then forced a round 4. But you live and learn at least lol
Honestly too many players at my locals play 4 hades in bwgX. Armor rush is also pretty dead as a result to bt8 metalgreymon being used a lot. Mega death is useless into bwg but it's a great card. Gets sauced by blue flare too. I love armor rush but you'd be surprised how many people I've played can out magnax. Xros heart also kinda merks it.
King sukamon specifically turns into a white sukamon with no effects no anything so technically magnamon rn is a sukamon with no armor purge so idk how it armor purged to begin with
This is not true it does not remove the effects it changes only the Name, the DP and the Color but it still retains the ability to armor purge. Granted it would still remain a Sukamon even if he did Armor Purge so he got cheated on the ruling.
You were correct. The Digimon will remain a Sukamon no matter how many times it armor purges so it should have been deleted.
I wonder if it would’ve changed things. Maybe forced a tie and then move to a round 4
The stack becomes a sukamon regardless of armor purge. That’s why dp reduction still maintains after the digimon purges in other circumstances.
I think you're right about the KingSukamon effect. I think it would apply the same way -DP would in that yes, the purge still happens, but the -DP goes through the stack.
I say that because of the way the wording is on KS, it applies to the Digimon. The same wording that is used for -DP effects. But I'd still ask the ruling groups.
The Digimon becomes a Sukamon until the end of the opponent's turn. It retains the DP it was set at by the King Sukamon effect. The only way the DP will change is if it becomes a tamer or Level 2 Digimon with no DP because cards without DP cannot have their original DP changed.
You're almost right about the situation at 13:20, but there was a misplay before that, and overall it doesn't make a difference.
On one hand, KingSukamon's effect is a lingering effect, so it stays a Sukamon. Same for the DP reduction. In that case, Flamedramon could Armor Purge again, but would eventually die from Etemon's DP reduction.
However, there was a misplay which makes it so that Flamedramon would have still survived (though it would remain a white Digimon). Your opponent evolved into Magnamon with Awakening of the Golden Knight on the previous turn, so you shouldn't have been able to DP reduce him with Etemon. He'd still remain a 3K Sukamon, as that counts as setting the DP, not reducing it. But your Etemon would just give him SecAtk-1, but no DP reduction. So luckily it made no difference overall.
EDIT: Unless Etemon's effect still counts as a lingering effect, and the DP reduction doesn't do anything for the turn, but once it's his turn he loses 3K again. In that case, it would still have died. That is the part I'm not 100% sure about. But the more I think about it, this sounds similar to the Yuuya-Ice Wall ruling, so I think that might be the case. So Etemon's effect could still linger on Flamedramon and just not do anything DP-wise, but then decrease it by 3K when it passes turn. That's the ruling you'd have to figure out, I guess, because it's quite important in this matchup.
The option card effect only lasts until "opponent's next turn." And that was like two turns ago as I was rewatching it lol so definitely no longer had the DP reduction protection.
This whole armor purge/Sukamon thing was extra annoying though. I wish there was an official ruling on the Bandai website for it
Its an effect that applies to a digimon till end of opponents turn. Ruled like any other effect that applies to a digimon till end of opponents turn.
In this TCG a "digimon" is the stack, not the card. Otherwise it specifies that its applied to a "digimon card"
The whole digimon is Sukamon, it doesnt matter if its de digivolved, armour purged or changed in any way. It is Sukamon
Yes, if you turn a Digimon into a lvl 3 sukamon with 3k. And use bt-11 etemons. It would kill everything through game mechanic. Only way to bypass if it has protection from dp reduction.
Armor purge doesn't dedigivolve or change the digimon. It still would be sukamon still and the body would have been gone.
Also it straight up turn into a sukamon with no effects so how in the flying fck did it armor purge
@@everlastinghope5884 It does become a sukamon but keeps the effects as long as it's not tied color and name.
the digimon had a -3k status for the turn there would keep it no matter what and if it turns into a 3k digmon it wouldnt be able to armor purge cuz nothing stops dp reduction
i also disagree the chuumon from bt11 is very worth i can always choke my friends to 1 lol...thats why i love the deck its very trolly on how you can do so much and still choke someone at1 lol
Yeah, armor purge or dedigivolve doesn't remove effects/ailments like security attack +/-, DP +/-, memory +/- etc. It's not a new digimon like with DNA digivolve so any effect that lasts the turn remains in effect so it armor purges from Sukamon into Sukamon.
Yeah hindsight sucks cause the rookie getting deleted there could've made a difference
Love your videos man, thank you for the uploads
Hey bro thanks for the comment :) glad for the positive feedback!
Thanks for the feature, sorry about the ruling thing I understand how that interacted so we know regardless of saving it with armor it a game mechanical that kills it.
It happens man 😂 either way it was a good game. Crazy to see how Armor Rush is still good even a few sets later
Maybe I just don't know how armor purge works, but how does the magna you made poop retain the purge? I thought suka makes a poop without effects.
They still keep their effects. KingSuka just changes the Digimon to “Sukamon” white Digimon, with 3000 original DP
For blockers I put mekanorimon in mines he’s a solid blocker for a play cost of 4 and he’s good for the mirror
Man Analog Man suggested this and I didn’t take it. It just sucks that it makes the LV5s a 4 to digivolve in that case, which is annoying
Does being turned into sukamon not remove all the digimons effects like armor purge or blocker?
No, it only changes the name, the color (white) and the dp. Any effects remain the same, but it does mess up the digisource effect's like "if this digimon is greymon/omnimon" etc.
Rennan is correct. A lot of players do think it loses the effects also, which honestly would’ve been better to make to deck more competitive
Can you send me a decklist for the armour rush please
It’s up now :)
Great content! Keep it up! 💯
Thanks man :) I appreciate the positive comment!
nice 😮like the see the deck 😎👌
Armor deck is up today 😎 Etemon deck will be up this weekend too lol
@@MrJsStrategyPlays ok nice wen do u do live streams so i can join and where do u do it 😉
No matter how he purge it’s still the same digimon , so you are correct
Yeah now I know for next time. Good thing everyone who’s seen the video also knows
Armor rush list?
It’s up now :)
Surely the magnamon becomes Sukamon loses the armour purge ability and with the -3000 gets deleted so the whole stake should go
The digimon turned into "poop" doesn't lose any of its abilities. Sucks that it doesn't become an actual vanilla Digimon, but it is what it is lol
I mean I don’t know if it was malicious but you certainly got cheated you were right on the ruling the magna would armor purge the flamedramon that’s now a Sukamon still would be 3k get deleted and armor purge down to a Veemon which would be a 3k sukamon and then the Veemon would be -3k dp and be deleted by game mechanics
Probably not malicious cause no one else has played the poop deck at locals. I just wonder if it would’ve made a difference. I think I could’ve forced a tie, and then forced a round 4. But you live and learn at least lol
Honestly too many players at my locals play 4 hades in bwgX. Armor rush is also pretty dead as a result to bt8 metalgreymon being used a lot. Mega death is useless into bwg but it's a great card. Gets sauced by blue flare too. I love armor rush but you'd be surprised how many people I've played can out magnax. Xros heart also kinda merks it.
Damn 4 Hades Force is wild haha. I would love to see Xros vs Armor Rush 🤔
Sukamon targets that Digimon, so if it digivolves or dedigivolves, it’s still a sukamon.
Its a permanent effect
It stays a sukamon until the end of the opponents turn
That judge is on crack for rulling the way he did
We don’t have an official judge cause it just locals, but I definitely should’ve asked the judge discord
Yea you got cheated out of that ruling lol, but at least you made #2 with Sukamon ;)
That actually dropped me down to 3rd overall lmao but I’m happy to be in the finals regardless 😂
King sukamon specifically turns into a white sukamon with no effects no anything so technically magnamon rn is a sukamon with no armor purge so idk how it armor purged to begin with
This is not true it does not remove the effects it changes only the Name, the DP and the Color but it still retains the ability to armor purge. Granted it would still remain a Sukamon even if he did Armor Purge so he got cheated on the ruling.
@@MummyNapkin ah I see but still that magna stack should still be gone through a chain reaction?