I'm located near Boston and have planespotted there many times. British Airways flies the A380 in for the spring and summer. Emirates used to fly it in and have promised to bring it back sometime. And now Lufthansa might be flying here as well. That could be up to three A380s a day - not bad for the size market it is!
It´s not that Lufthansa might be flying the A380 there. Lufthansa WILL be flying the A380 there. That was planned pre pandemic and it´s just consequent to proceed with these plans.
Why is it so hard to get that having 3 A380s ready does NOT mean that they´re only commited to 3? They are planning with all three routes this summer, just not all of them from the start of the A380 operations. And they do need 4 A380s therefore. And Carsten Spohr himself said that let alone due to operational reasons, they will need to bring back more than 4 A380s. That will then be the case during winter 2023 and summer 2024. And no, unless all 8 A380s return, D-AIML will not come back. Following D-AIMM will be D-AIMN, followed by D-AIMH as the fourth A380 and the fifth will then be D-AIMB in January 2024.
Have doubts on Boston ... they originally decided to launch summer seasonal A380 to Boston starting 2020 only due to Boston Logan's massive growth over the years
There will be a fourth (D-AIMH) returning during summer, you can expect that to be the case by late July, early August. And it will not be D-AIML returning as 3rd A380, but D-AIMN. On top of that, there will at least be a fifth A380 returning to Munich by January 2024. That´ll be the equally named D-AIMB. And spoiler alert: You can expect Lufthansa to announce the comeback of all 8 A380s within the next few months.
Be fantastic is Lufthansa bring back all 8 shame the other 6 will not return to service with the carrier, I believe a lot of airlines that have withdrawn the type from service will certainly regret their decision, go A380
@@r12004rewy Well to be honest... there´s even a small (SMALL!!) chance of the remaining 6 A380s returning or even few of them (like sale and lease back for a few years). The (probably 8) A380s that are getting reactivated are solely used to boost capacity from Munich airport as we approach pre pandemic levels. There will be 5 A346 flying from Munich this summer and 5 from Frankfurt (and these 5 are the first ones to operate as compensation for 779 delays). By the end of this year Airbus should restart A359 deliveries to Lufthansa. These will be based in Munich and will replace the A340-600 there. Doesn´t mean that these A346 will leave the fleet however. They will then be deployed from Frankfurt (10 A346 from Frankfurt summer 2024) to even more replace the 779. And the A346 fleet is supported in compensating 779 delays by the 744. However these might face their cycle limit if Boeing has to further delay the 779. And that would be the point for Lufthansa to return 6 or few of the 6 A380s they sold to Airbus as there is no more reserve available then these aircraft. The 7 (out of 17 pre pandemic A346) that will remain in Teruel have already been used for spare parts and cannot return (sadly...)
@@_daxre sad that some of the 340s will never see service again, but was fantastic that Lufthansa reintroduced a small number last year, let's hope that they have further delays with new orders so that the magnificent 346 can stay around for a while longer:)
I was hoping that Lufthansa would consider upgrading Chicago service to the A380. They already have several daily flights to Chicago, which is also their alliance partner United's home.
Other sources say, that they probably will fly from MUC to LAX, JFK and MIA or ORD. IMO its pretty unlikely, that they will fly the MUC-BOS route since demand isn't all that high on this route.
Well, the source for JFK, BOS and LAX is Carsten Spohr. And, MUC-BOS with the A380 was planned for summer 2020 if the pandemic didn´t hit. MUC-MIA is not operated during the summer season but has a good chance to see the LH A380 once again during winter. ORD won´t see the Lufthansa A380 as the first thing Lufthansa will do once demand justifies it will be to bring back their second daily MUC-ORD flight. That is currently planned to be the case from somewhere early summer. Currently there is 1 daily MUC.ORD flight operated by Lufthansa. There´s just not enough demand to add a second daily and change one to the A380 on top of that.
They will reactivate at least 5. Is already confirmed, but Simpleflying doesn´t listen to sources. Sad but true. Once again, announced by Carsten Spohr himself.
@@cryo2865 That’s right but I wanted to see who would answer correctly. Austin is not equipped for a 380 terminal is inadequate. Runway requirements would not be a problem for the aircraft.
If any Texas market were to open, it would be IAH. That said these are MUC flights and Lufthy has no interest in an IAH route from MUC, leaving that service for STAR partner, United to operate.
Lufthansa is inofficially already planning to reactivate all left A380s currently in storage which would be a total of 8 since the other 6 have been sold back to Airbus
@@frglee Probably not. You can find Simply Flying videos on the A380. There is little to no interest in them on the used market. If they are sold, it usually is for parts because buying the entire aircraft is cheaper than buying one major "new" part from Airbus.
@@johniii8147 Troll. Honestly, just stop. I´d love to see people like yours faces in a few months with the announcement of all 8 returning having been published.
Yeah in a few cases but not many. LHR routes are one of the few exceptions where it makes sense for the 380. Heavy slot constraints and the most premium market in the world.
@@johniii8147 The other way would be to reconfigure for maximum capacity charter operations such as MH proposed use for Haj flights. Again it is a small niche but Condor could take over some for charter packages to Florida and the Carribbean. Scoot could also take over some reconfigured SQ A380s for SIN-LHR, SIN-CDG, and SIN-MUC in a low-cost operation. One A380 with 800+ passengers is more profitable than two 777X provided you fill it to capacity and the reconfiguration cost can be kept down by cannibalism of seats, toilets and additional safety equipment from surplus aircraft within the airline group.
@@grahambaker6664 That hasn't panned out. Hifly tried it and failed with the idea quickly. Reality is the 380 just doesn't have an aftermarket other than scrap.
@@johniii8147 According to Hifly's media release, the A380 operations were successful and the lease was not renewed due to COVID impacts. Also Hifly's A380 only had 471 passengers in a 3 class layout which is well below the 800+ passengers needed to make low-cost and charter operations of the A380 profitable. The maximum certified capacity is 853 so Hifly's configuration is well below what they could have carried if they hadn't over-allocated space for premium passengers they were not seeing in their ticket sales. Ultimately the only ways to make a profit from the A380 are either to go for premium passengers paying premium prices for a top of the market product or go full low-cost with as many economy passengers as possible with no frills just the same as Ryanair and Easyjet do with their single aisle operations.
@@grahambaker6664 Graham it's just not going to work. You would hardly be the first to propose such an idea but the industry has deemed it's just not going to work. It's been looked at and the numbers just don't add up to make it profitable or sustainable. The costs of reconfiguration, operational costs, and limits of where it can operate simply don't make it feasible. Revenue also would not be high enough for such high density. The 380 only works in highly premium markets (ie LHR).
You can quite understand Lufthansas position in a way, the 380 very expensive to run, and with no passengers due to Covid, ta ta as it were.However with booming orders for flights it may in someways have been short term thinking. The PTP model which it was designed for the 380 does in class, a safe plane, and steady. After all 4 320neos this one can handle easily. Passengers LIKE it. Im not sure lufty will bring back them all, however with booming receipts they may have to.
Do you know how they decide wich spezific airframe they return into service? I looked it up and two of the three A380s Lufthansa returns, have the old livery. Wouldn't it make more sence if they only returned aircraft with the ney livery (same goes for the A340-600) What's the decision process behind that?
No 380s are in the new livery and no plans to do so. These are temporary returns to service while they await new aircraft deliveries in the 350 and 777-9 and 787s. Not worth the expense. Same reason they are not refurbishing the interiors that are very outdated.
@@johniii8147 There are Lufthansa 380's sporting the new livery! They repainted them years ago. I know, that it would make no sence to repaint them now. But i'd like to know how they decided to reactivate those three specific airframes.
@@johniii8147 That's wrong... About half of Lufthansa's A380s are wearing the new livery. And the reactivation isn't really a temporary solution because Lufthansa plans to use them until at least 2026. Therefore the decision to refurbish the cabin and change the cabin to the new Allegris product isn't finally made. They only stated that at the current time they did not plan to do so (detailed plans for the rest of the existing fleet are also outstanding). The information SimpleFlying gave in the video is also not 100% correct. Lufthansa will definetely bring back 5x A380s until summer flightplan 2024 and is currently checking to reactivate all their 8x remaining A380s. Luckily we'll see them for some years to fly. The first B777X that are going to be delivered to Lufthansa will replace the remaining 8x B747-400 first before any A380 is getting replaced. :) Greetings from Lufthansa's main hub Frankfurt :)
@@Kai-zh1ch Your speculation doesn't match with all other information sources. They will not refurbishing the interiors on the 380s an no plans to do so. LH has been very clear on that. Would make no sense economically given the expense on planes that at max will be around 3 more years. The fact remains they are simply going to be capacity gap fillers until the new planes join the fleet.
Great news! I have to admit I'm not surprised with the industry bouncing back the way it is. We might even see a new A380 stretch with 1000 pax capacity in the near future! Long live Lufthansa for keep their quads!!! 👋
1000 passengers planes are needed on only about half a dozen route pairs and only about a dozen of the planes are needed Who is going to build only a dozen planes models 😂
A380 back in the sky with lufthansa means there was a coup against Boeing... the 747 should be utilized more... though lufthansa is still using a few 747s but they downsized n dropped many... and I'm sure the 747 is more profitable than the 380 as long as its using the upgraded engines
2-years ago, on this Channel, I posted that plans to permanently retiring all A380's industry wide was a bad idea, that some airlines would regret, as air travel would come back. I was right. I do not see these, or other airline A380's fully retiring for at least 5-years more.
Never really understood why they reactivated the A340s before the A380s. Yea I get that they're expensive to run, but the A340 seems to have much lesser returns.
Earlier around 2:13 AM, have been landed in Manila (MNL) a 1 Airbus A380 of Lufthansa from Frankfurt Germany (FRA). Registration: D-AIMK Special callsign: LH9922
Great to see more A380s returning in 2023!
I'm located near Boston and have planespotted there many times. British Airways flies the A380 in for the spring and summer. Emirates used to fly it in and have promised to bring it back sometime. And now Lufthansa might be flying here as well. That could be up to three A380s a day - not bad for the size market it is!
No, even before COVID, Emirates' A380 only showed up in Boston until late Jan. 2020. At that time, COVID was not a thing at all.
It´s not that Lufthansa might be flying the A380 there. Lufthansa WILL be flying the A380 there. That was planned pre pandemic and it´s just consequent to proceed with these plans.
If I can fly the A380, I'll go out of my way to do so. Best jet, best comfort. Love it.
I am very happy for that. I am glad that there is still some hope for the A380s and this is one of them.
Wonderful aircraft... happy they're coming back into service!
Why is it so hard to get that having 3 A380s ready does NOT mean that they´re only commited to 3? They are planning with all three routes this summer, just not all of them from the start of the A380 operations. And they do need 4 A380s therefore.
And Carsten Spohr himself said that let alone due to operational reasons, they will need to bring back more than 4 A380s. That will then be the case during winter 2023 and summer 2024.
And no, unless all 8 A380s return, D-AIML will not come back. Following D-AIMM will be D-AIMN, followed by D-AIMH as the fourth A380 and the fifth will then be D-AIMB in January 2024.
Have doubts on Boston ... they originally decided to launch summer seasonal A380 to Boston starting 2020 only due to Boston Logan's massive growth over the years
The 380 is a magnet for travellers who flock to it in their droves due to the level of comfort it offers over its rivals.
A380 is the best and cannot be compared with any other type!
I'm starting to think the A380 was a little ahead of its time instead of behind
Makes sense if slots are tight then better to fly one aircraft rather than two Love the A380 AIRCRAFT
Great news! This is such a fantastic aircraft to fly on for any passenger.
I still miss the time seeing those Lufthansa A380 moored in Miami a decade ago. They were flying Frankfurt - Miami back then
So hope Lufthansa bring back more 380s late 2023/early 24, so popular with passengers
There will be a fourth (D-AIMH) returning during summer, you can expect that to be the case by late July, early August. And it will not be D-AIML returning as 3rd A380, but D-AIMN.
On top of that, there will at least be a fifth A380 returning to Munich by January 2024. That´ll be the equally named D-AIMB.
And spoiler alert: You can expect Lufthansa to announce the comeback of all 8 A380s within the next few months.
Be fantastic is Lufthansa bring back all 8 shame the other 6 will not return to service with the carrier, I believe a lot of airlines that have withdrawn the type from service will certainly regret their decision, go A380
@@r12004rewy Well to be honest... there´s even a small (SMALL!!) chance of the remaining 6 A380s returning or even few of them (like sale and lease back for a few years).
The (probably 8) A380s that are getting reactivated are solely used to boost capacity from Munich airport as we approach pre pandemic levels.
There will be 5 A346 flying from Munich this summer and 5 from Frankfurt (and these 5 are the first ones to operate as compensation for 779 delays). By the end of this year Airbus should restart A359 deliveries to Lufthansa. These will be based in Munich and will replace the A340-600 there. Doesn´t mean that these A346 will leave the fleet however. They will then be deployed from Frankfurt (10 A346 from Frankfurt summer 2024) to even more replace the 779. And the A346 fleet is supported in compensating 779 delays by the 744. However these might face their cycle limit if Boeing has to further delay the 779. And that would be the point for Lufthansa to return 6 or few of the 6 A380s they sold to Airbus as there is no more reserve available then these aircraft. The 7 (out of 17 pre pandemic A346) that will remain in Teruel have already been used for spare parts and cannot return (sadly...)
@@_daxre sad that some of the 340s will never see service again, but was fantastic that Lufthansa reintroduced a small number last year, let's hope that they have further delays with new orders so that the magnificent 346 can stay around for a while longer:)
@@r12004rewy They will be around for a while longer anyways as the 744 will have to go first due to Cycle Limit.
question, will all the a380s from lufthansa be back in service for different routes? instead of 3?
I’m in Manila and I was able to record D-AIMM landing here for maintenance
Nice vid!
Thank you for watching. 😊✈️
Wonder if AF regrets getting rid of the A380
Thats awesome!
nice vid!
Great news! I hope I get a chance to hop on one soon!
Wish it would come to denver🙁
A380 is simply the best plane ever built. I flown on both the 747-400 en 8 and they don't hold a candle to airbus a 380.
Very exciting! But I’m sad to see that they didn’t operate them to Chicago
I’m so glad it’s going to some day come to my home town airport Boston
What about MUC/SFO route?
I was hoping that Lufthansa would consider upgrading Chicago service to the A380. They already have several daily flights to Chicago, which is also their alliance partner United's home.
Well, if it´s possible economically, it´s a good marketing. A love A380.
Other sources say, that they probably will fly from MUC to LAX, JFK and MIA or ORD. IMO its pretty unlikely, that they will fly the MUC-BOS route since demand isn't all that high on this route.
Well, the source for JFK, BOS and LAX is Carsten Spohr.
And, MUC-BOS with the A380 was planned for summer 2020 if the pandemic didn´t hit. MUC-MIA is not operated during the summer season but has a good chance to see the LH A380 once again during winter.
ORD won´t see the Lufthansa A380 as the first thing Lufthansa will do once demand justifies it will be to bring back their second daily MUC-ORD flight. That is currently planned to be the case from somewhere early summer. Currently there is 1 daily MUC.ORD flight operated by Lufthansa. There´s just not enough demand to add a second daily and change one to the A380 on top of that.
They should bring more back!
Great news.
What about Miami, I think there would be some demand.
Yes lots of Germans flying to Miami
Hope gas prices continues stabilizing. Hope I can get to an A380 again soon.
Guess 3 is better than none...seems like alot of work to reactivate only 3 aircraft !!!
They will reactivate at least 5. Is already confirmed, but Simpleflying doesn´t listen to sources. Sad but true. Once again, announced by Carsten Spohr himself.
Have a feeling AUS is next
Not gonna happen. The terminal in AUS is not equipped well to handle such large aircrafts.
@@cryo2865 That’s right but I wanted to see who would answer correctly. Austin is not equipped for a 380 terminal is inadequate. Runway requirements would not be a problem for the aircraft.
If any Texas market were to open, it would be IAH. That said these are MUC flights and Lufthy has no interest in an IAH route from MUC, leaving that service for STAR partner, United to operate.
Welcome news,hope one Texas city will be next,thanks.
Lufthansa is inofficially already planning to reactivate all left A380s currently in storage which would be a total of 8 since the other 6 have been sold back to Airbus
No they have not committed to all 8.
Will the 6 sold back to Airbus be reconditioned and sold again?
@@frglee Probably not. You can find Simply Flying videos on the A380. There is little to no interest in them on the used market. If they are sold, it usually is for parts because buying the entire aircraft is cheaper than buying one major "new" part from Airbus.
@@johniii8147 Troll. Honestly, just stop. I´d love to see people like yours faces in a few months with the announcement of all 8 returning having been published.
@@frglee Not likely. There is no resale market for the 380 other than parts and engines.
Is there any scenario in which the increased capacity of an A380 can generate more profit than a B777 or A350 flying the same route?
Yeah in a few cases but not many. LHR routes are one of the few exceptions where it makes sense for the 380. Heavy slot constraints and the most premium market in the world.
@@johniii8147 The other way would be to reconfigure for maximum capacity charter operations such as MH proposed use for Haj flights. Again it is a small niche but Condor could take over some for charter packages to Florida and the Carribbean. Scoot could also take over some reconfigured SQ A380s for SIN-LHR, SIN-CDG, and SIN-MUC in a low-cost operation. One A380 with 800+ passengers is more profitable than two 777X provided you fill it to capacity and the reconfiguration cost can be kept down by cannibalism of seats, toilets and additional safety equipment from surplus aircraft within the airline group.
@@grahambaker6664 That hasn't panned out. Hifly tried it and failed with the idea quickly. Reality is the 380 just doesn't have an aftermarket other than scrap.
@@johniii8147 According to Hifly's media release, the A380 operations were successful and the lease was not renewed due to COVID impacts. Also Hifly's A380 only had 471 passengers in a 3 class layout which is well below the 800+ passengers needed to make low-cost and charter operations of the A380 profitable. The maximum certified capacity is 853 so Hifly's configuration is well below what they could have carried if they hadn't over-allocated space for premium passengers they were not seeing in their ticket sales. Ultimately the only ways to make a profit from the A380 are either to go for premium passengers paying premium prices for a top of the market product or go full low-cost with as many economy passengers as possible with no frills just the same as Ryanair and Easyjet do with their single aisle operations.
@@grahambaker6664 Graham it's just not going to work. You would hardly be the first to propose such an idea but the industry has deemed it's just not going to work. It's been looked at and the numbers just don't add up to make it profitable or sustainable. The costs of reconfiguration, operational costs, and limits of where it can operate simply don't make it feasible. Revenue also would not be high enough for such high density. The 380 only works in highly premium markets (ie LHR).
Great ,will fly Lufthansa again but only A380 ,good decision Lufthansa ,just make it work
You can quite understand Lufthansas position in a way, the 380 very expensive to run, and with no passengers due to Covid, ta ta as it were.However with booming orders for flights it may in someways have been short term thinking. The PTP model which it was designed for the 380 does in class, a safe plane, and steady. After all 4 320neos this one can handle easily. Passengers LIKE it. Im not sure lufty will bring back them all, however with booming receipts they may have to.
What a horrible translation from whatever language
The 380 was NEVER designed for the Point to point mode. Quite the opposite actually.
@@johniii8147 perhaps long haul ptp would have been better and of course to challenge the 747
On an unrelated note, I see flybe has ceased trading
So much for scrapping the A380
Do you know how they decide wich spezific airframe they return into service?
I looked it up and two of the three A380s Lufthansa returns, have the old livery. Wouldn't it make more sence if they only returned aircraft with the ney livery (same goes for the A340-600)
What's the decision process behind that?
No 380s are in the new livery and no plans to do so. These are temporary returns to service while they await new aircraft deliveries in the 350 and 777-9 and 787s. Not worth the expense. Same reason they are not refurbishing the interiors that are very outdated.
@@johniii8147 There are Lufthansa 380's sporting the new livery! They repainted them years ago. I know, that it would make no sence to repaint them now.
But i'd like to know how they decided to reactivate those three specific airframes.
@@johniii8147 That's wrong... About half of Lufthansa's A380s are wearing the new livery. And the reactivation isn't really a temporary solution because Lufthansa plans to use them until at least 2026. Therefore the decision to refurbish the cabin and change the cabin to the new Allegris product isn't finally made. They only stated that at the current time they did not plan to do so (detailed plans for the rest of the existing fleet are also outstanding).
The information SimpleFlying gave in the video is also not 100% correct. Lufthansa will definetely bring back 5x A380s until summer flightplan 2024 and is currently checking to reactivate all their 8x remaining A380s.
Luckily we'll see them for some years to fly. The first B777X that are going to be delivered to Lufthansa will replace the remaining 8x B747-400 first before any A380 is getting replaced. :)
Greetings from Lufthansa's main hub Frankfurt :)
@@philippgabler5835 They decided to reactivate the youngest of the remaining A380s first :)
@@Kai-zh1ch Your speculation doesn't match with all other information sources. They will not refurbishing the interiors on the 380s an no plans to do so. LH has been very clear on that. Would make no sense economically given the expense on planes that at max will be around 3 more years. The fact remains they are simply going to be capacity gap fillers until the new planes join the fleet.
Great news! I have to admit I'm not surprised with the industry bouncing back the way it is. We might even see a new A380 stretch with 1000 pax capacity in the near future! Long live Lufthansa for keep their quads!!! 👋
No we won't see that. Airbus has moved on from the 380. Get that out of your mind there will be more 380s.
1000 passengers planes are needed on only about half a dozen route pairs and only about a dozen of the planes are needed
Who is going to build only a dozen planes models 😂
A380 back in the sky with lufthansa means there was a coup against Boeing... the 747 should be utilized more... though lufthansa is still using a few 747s but they downsized n dropped many... and I'm sure the 747 is more profitable than the 380 as long as its using the upgraded engines
Obviously JFK and LAX... (duh)
2-years ago, on this Channel, I posted that plans to permanently retiring all A380's industry wide was a bad idea, that some airlines would regret, as air travel would come back. I was right. I do not see these, or other airline A380's fully retiring for at least 5-years more.
Boeing fanboys hijacked every comment section saying that A380 was useless. Look who is talking now.
It's going to keep growing with more people traveling than ever. I see an A380 stretch in the near future.
@@jdf1stats LOL..that's a fantasy
It's not a Beluga, so what kind of whale is it?
fly where the profit is most likely, USA routes make the most sense
Never really understood why they reactivated the A340s before the A380s. Yea I get that they're expensive to run, but the A340 seems to have much lesser returns.
More good news for the Airbus A380, the so called failed aircraft!
Did Airbus and Boeing close down ‘Jumbo’ production to early?
A389 makes sense
LOL yeah no. Airbus tried to sell that for years with no takers.
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It is a real pity what is happening with this plane, a prodigy of technology, being totally underused.
Earlier around 2:13 AM, have been landed in Manila (MNL) a 1 Airbus A380 of Lufthansa from Frankfurt Germany (FRA).
Registration: D-AIMK
Special callsign: LH9922