I can’t help but to remember my mom’s Pentecostal preacher calling me every Sunday night and telling me that I was going to die and go to hell because I had long hair I never once remember him telling me that Jesus loved me
When we reject the law God gave to Moses then the result is a void that man (false teachers and false prophets) will quickly come in to fill with their own man made laws. Long hair in the first century was determined by pulling your hair back behind the head.... anything that hung over the fist was cut off. It wasn’t a sin but it was a matter of being proper. We know it wasn’t a sin because we know that a Nazarite would where it long. God will not contradict himself. But in matters of proper... there were ordinances, customs, traditions and social norms that needed to be addressed among the Israelites and in the assemblies (ie Corinthian church). We must go back to the first century to understand lots of what has been lost and misunderstood in scripture. What we see with regards to woman having their heads covered merely meant that woman would have her hair up in a bun or pony tail, etc. Long flowing hair was sexually inviting and meant you were single. Virgins wore their hair down. Woman with shaven hair was usually normative of a woman in mourning or even the punishment of her caught in adultery. Woman with hair up meant they were married (hence they had a physical covering with man and wife under the authority of YHVH). It was conservative even back then. How many times do we see a nerdy looking girl in a movie that takes the glasses off and puts her hair down... only to find her sexually attractive? Same idea. See my playlist labeled “Beards” for more videos on this. Mainstream Christianity is for the most part disconnected from the 1st century and the Jewish context of scripture and therefore even the Tanak (Old Testament). Shalom
@@magallanthepenguin9132 I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry. People who worship a God who supposedly created cancer and Alzheimers and are debating the morality of hair cuts.
Women had long hair down to the ground in biblical Times . Men with shoulder hair length is normal in biblical Times. Yeshua does have shoulder hair length hair. 2 Samuel 14:26 Absalom Cut his hair. Its okay for men to have shoulder length hair but not to have UNCUT hair like the women used to have ( hair 3 feet on the ground ; never cut!
Having long hair is not a sin, To say nothing about how length of hair is subjective. Having long hair as a man for the purpose of looking like a woman, or embodying feminine characteristics is the sin. Having short hair as a woman for the purpose of promoting masculinity or denying femininity is just as much a sin for a woman.
Interesting. In some cultures, Native American, Japanese, etc, long hair is a symbol of strength in masculinity. Yet again, God doesn't care of our hair, just our relationship in Him.
Nature says it's wrong because Paul was referencing Hippocrates, who believed that hair was related to the reproduce organs. Since women received sperm from men, their hair was seen as semen storage. This was based on a crude understanding of the lymphatic system and thinking that lymphatic fluid was semen. Piper is talking out of ignorance.
@1k Subscribers without any videos... Keep in mind that although the tree of the knowledge of good & evil was in the garden, GOD said don’t eat of it. My point is that, GOD gives us responsibility as stewards in the earth. Just because men’s hair grows, doesn’t mean that, that’s all that needs to be said to justify it.
Seth שת Seth שת you’re talking out of ignorance. You can’t prove that Paul got his understanding of long hair from Hippocrates, even if Hippocrates said that.
Actually God didn’t “bless” Sampson for having long hair necessarily. He was under the Nazareth vow, it’s talked about in numbers. You can’t cut your hair drink wine or eat grapes and you can’t touch anything dead. Sampson was under than since birth. His strength though came from God
@@NathanMladenik it clearly states to act in a culturally feminine way knowing that you are a man is a disgrace to God. It also said that if bowing to idols were culturally accepted as contempt that it was not sin. From this we can conclude that if men were culturally accepted to have long hair and women were culturally accepted to wear short hair that would be fine due to the relative nature of culture. You are either ignorant or an unbeliever trying to stir up the Christian faith either way I rebuke such ignorance
@@blazanick well how one interprets his words is very much up to the person. He never said directly "trans people bad" also if someone is for example a trans woman, in a way their mind and their brain was female to begin with but their body isnt. Either way wether its right or wrong to be trans, discriminating or attacking trans people would no doubt be a worse sin.
God designed our world so that everything would exist in perfect harmony. He made humankind in His image, so that we had the capacity to worship Him and walk with Him. Because God created you, He loves you. You exist to glorify Him in a real relationship.Mankind has rebelled against God, choosing to live for ourselves instead of for Him. This rebellion, called sin, has come between us and God. This sin brings about brokenness in our personal lives, our relationships, and also our world. Not only has it separated us from Him and His perfect design, it also brings judgment and death.Because God loves us, He sent His only son Jesus to rescue us from our sins. The Bible says that “God shows his love for us in that while we were sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). Jesus lived a perfect life, died on the cross as payment for our sins, was buried, and rose again from the dead. His resurrection proves that God has accepted Jesus’ sacrifice for our sins. Believe in Him and the Holy Spirit will come in and lead you to go to Jesus in faith and trust in Him and trust in Him for salvation and repent of your sins and He will hear from Heaven and forgive you of your sins and cleanse you by His precious blood and the Holy Spirit will make you born again and you'll be saved from all sin and from death and from the enemy and from the wrath of God that's against sin. (Romans 5,6,7,8, John 3:16, 1 John 1:9). I'll be praying for you to come to know the true God of all and experience His true love and Holy Spirit and salvation and i pray you'll go to Him and get saved Amen in Jesus name
But naturally men can grow their hair long, so are we talking about societal norms as nature! Because men can grow their hair naturally? Why give us the ability to grow hair long if its against nature? Legit question .
I think you've misunderstood. Our "nature" is to assimilate to our culture. In a culture where women have long hair, men have short (or vice versa), it would be against nature; a conscious and deliberate decision to revolt against the culture.
Oh, why give us the ability to grow our nails long if we are going to keep trimming it short? Uuuh, because if the nails stop growing, eventually there'll be no nails. Yikes! Get the picture?
@@ayolovephat wouldn't be a problem for god to make naturally short hair on a man's head. I mean we have short hair all over our bodies except the head. Soo...
Lloyd Tucker i think the argument for long hair is something like: men are in gods image so they should wear their heads with pride, and women are in mans image so they should cover their heads in their natural veil.
So youre mad that the Bible itself says that a man having long hair is against nature....ok, btw, the Bible tells us what to do, if you have a problem with authority then how can Jesus be the lord of your life? No wonder you have long hair
@@chaboi7 what Bible are you reading because if it’s against nature why did God create us like this for our hair to grow why didn’t he stop at a certain length That don’t even make sense so Jesus had a haircut? i’m a God believer to
@@libertyordeath9936 Christians throughout history killed a lot of people too, in savage ways and nonsense reasons. And btw; forced a lot of people of color and other cultures to convert for nonsense reasons.
@@libertyordeath9936 crusades? American colonization, which brought with itself genocide, and slavery, rape and indoctrination? They also brutalized precisely the vikings. The image of the vikings being wild mercyless barbarians is a myth. Of course, like in any othe civilization there was violence and slavery, but you are wrong if you think that christians were some inocent angels made to bring peace and love. I am of course, talking about the institutional and imperialistic branch of christianity, aka: catholicism.
I'm 71 years old, have been in church my whole life, have an earned Bachelor of Divinity Degree, have been in ministry for 41 years, and this is the best explanation of this topic I have ever heard.
brace for my big one : I have no idea why you responded in this way. Actually, I have been saved for decades. My response to John Piper was to edify his lesson, nothing more. It wasn't intended to be about me, or my credential. Puzzled why you took it that way. Oh well...
It's absolutely natural for men to have long hair, god isn't gonna kick you out of heaven cause your hair is above a certain length, heaven isn't military school.
I wanna argue this badddd!! being I have long hair an consider myself a Christian.. but Pastor John's discernment of the Bible comes from his good heart! I value his opinion.
Wonderful! Pride doesn't have a hold on you. My hair is getting fairly long by my standards and people have questioned it. I'm not very attached to it since there was no major reason for growing it. I do like Pastor JP's response and I respect it. I see truth in it. These days nature/culture/society doesn't really frown on a man having long hair so it may actually be okay in my opinion, but I think of the scripture which speaks about things being lawful but not beneficial. So as I go off to bible school in a week, I'll trim it back to about 5 inches instead of the 10 that it's at.
Dude I feel the same way I have long hair but I recently discovered the scripture but I respect God's word and his law more than my feelings I might trim it down a bit
Paul never actually said what length a man hair should be. I think shoulder length would be ok. Can actually look pretty cool. Also he never actually said men couldn't have long hair just that it was a dishonor.
Thank you for this well thought out discussion. My response I am preparing for Godly Men Have Short Hair-ism had priorly been less thought out on the basis of what Paul was actually meaning to discuss with Corinthians 11:14, and the entire passage for that matter. How scholarly to actually bring another part of scripture by the same author as well to further delve into what he was trying to get across, and this approach makes a lot sense when you put into context the fact that the church of Corinth had some real problems with sexual sin. This also ought to put into further context today as far as judging someone's character rather than simply the length of their hair.
I appreciate John Pipers teaching overall and really do respect him. I think it’s possible this isn’t correct though. If we compare ourselves to the culture in order to gauge what is right in God’s eyes, we will get it wrong every time. If culture tells me it’s okay for a man to wear makeup, dresses, and heels (which culture is saying this is acceptable) we have to stand firm on God’s word. So if culture says it’s okay for men to have long hair, but the Bible in 1 Corinthians 11 says it’s not natural, we should follow scripture. The Bible does specifically say how long a women’s hair should be or how short a mans hair should be, so we need to seek God’s guidance on this. This whole topic of hair length and headcovering reminds me of Satan when he said “did God really say...” God created men and women for distinct roles, and this is a great thing! If we are honest with the state of our culture, gender roles are completely out the window and it’s very very rare to see a woman submitting to her husband, and a husband loving and leading his wife. Let’s be honest in searching the scriptures ourselves and being willing to follow the Holy Spirit wherever he leads, even if we don’t want to. I didn’t want to cover my head, but it came down to obedience. After obeying, God revealed so much more to me about this regarding biblical manhood and womanhood. If we follow our culture, we can be deceived into many wrong ideas. Let’s honestly follow God. When we justread and obey the Bible it makes more sense than coming up with modern ideas why we don’t have to. FYI: Christian women have covered their heads for 1900 years, and stopped when the feminist movement began. Surgeon, Tyndale, Calvin, Luther and R.C. Sproul among others taught women headcover and men to uncover their heads in prayer and prophesy. Also, the fact that Paul says women should cover because of the angels should completely throw the cultural argument out the window...because Angels weren’t just in Corinth. They are everywhere both then and now. Lastly, it wasn’t cultural for Corinthian women to cover their heads, and it wasn’t cultural for Jewish men to uncover their heads.
Hello Heather. I appreciate your thoughtful reply and would encourage you to follow your convictions as that is how we are led. However Pastor John isn't saying we should rely upon culture to help us determine what the truth is, he is saying that throughout the world there are thousands of cultures. Each one has their social norms and definitions of what a man is and isn't. For instance, I am from Tennessee, I cannot expect a man from Papua New Guinea to look exactly what I expect to be normal because our cultures are absolutely different. For me to feel the right to determine their cultural norm based off of my ideas would make me a Pharisee of the highest degree. What is to say that I shouldn't conform to their definition of normal? Just as you believe in having to cover your glory (hair), I do not believe that and I believe it is adding chains to the liberty by which we were set free, but I'm not going to try to convince you to change because it doesn't necessarily advance the Kingdom of God, but instead it would cause division within the body. Lord bless!
Approved Workman I appreciate your response, and I would have said the same thing a year ago and would say a woman covering her heard would be legalistic. However I can say I am more free now than I’ve ever been. God has been at work in me and has given me a boldness that I’ve never had. He’s been up to amazing things and I’m so glad I obeyed the scriptures. May God bless you.
@@soldieroftruth77 This is more along my line of thinking. It doesn't make sense to me that we have to add to something in order for it to be made right. No disrespect to other brethren but having a physical head covering requirement to me is similar to what the Jews did with their 600 extra biblical laws. Always more restrictions, never able to simply trust in the liberty of the Spirit.
He left out the part (verses 8-12) where Paul talks about men being made for the glory of God, and woman made for the glory of man. That should be included and considered in order to find the complete context of the passage.
I see what you mean, he did it because it's largely covered in the article he spoke about. www.desiringgod.org/articles/creation-culture-and-corinthian-prophetesses
The double standard here in my area are hypocritical. Women here can cut their hair and still be considered ladies but a man who has long hair is "unclean", "unprofessional" or doing something only a woman does.
Actually, they cut the hair short due to heat, & also health wise...since they didn't have showers like we do today...but from what I've read from both secular and biblical Scholars that the hair was cut short...beards, yea, Aaron's beard in Book of Exodus & I think a verse in Samuel , the scripture said his beard was down to his waist...that was like a thing for men, especially elders...so ppl would know/recognize that he as well as others where the elders... However, Jesus very well could have had long hair... But, this just doesn't matter at all...what "we" should care about is what Jesus did for us...died in my place so that I am now viewd as clean to God the Father...He sees Christ in me, not the sinful Ethan....
"Jesus more than likely had long hair and facial hair because he was a nazarene" I think you're thinking of the term 'Nazirite' (like Samson in the Old Testament) which means one who is separated unto the Lord. A Nazarene was just someone who lived in or was from Nazareth.
Gen 3 fall of man - men had to get food by sweat of brow because God cursed the ground, so it would be "natural" for man to want to chop their hair off. Long hair would be inconvenient, just like needing to go poop in the middle of the night in freezing would be inconvenient but ancients did it unless infirm because pooping where you sleep is naturally embarrassing.
Father Tom Dillon, a Catholic priest, has long hair, but he also has a beard. Let's just say nobody is going to confuse him with a woman. Paul's thoughts on long hair seem to reflect the Roman citizen's view of long hair on men.
I had a Baptist tell me " A good Baptist would not be caught Dead in a Catholic Church)! Did NOT JESUS HAVE LONG HAIR ??? th-cam.com/video/Ebdnp-3IdQ0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5h5MsN4U1PLVnFKN
Short hair on women is interesting, cus for example as an African woman, my hair does not grow to what is considered “long” in the West. With this in mind, what length is “long” and what length is “short”.
Did you listen to the episode? This was very clearly covered - the short version is that Piper is arguing that the key is what would be considered dressing or styling yourself using gender-associated dress or hairstyle IN YOUR CULTURE. So if in your culture a shorter hairstyle is perfectly appropriate and associated with women, then I don't think he'd have a problem with it. For example, he said if he wore a dress in Minnesota that would be inappropriate as a man, but wearing a kilt in Scotland would be perfectly fine as in that culture that style of dress is associated with maleness.
StevenCattyPaw relax. I listened to it. That’s why I said it was interesting. I’m agreeing with him about the culture specificity that’s why I brought up my own culture.
The Lord judges the heart. All of our motives are open to His sight. The teachings of Paul clearly tell us to be led by the Spirit of God. Be more conserned about pleasing God Almighty rather than your own self serving decisions. One easy decision for me, as a man, is not to dress, behave, groom, or make other decisions to attract attention to myself for vain glory. Read 1 Cor chps 10-11
I am a man, I have an undercut, the top is long, sides are shaved or equivalent, I am not ashamed, nor do I look like a woman. I have been born again, cleansed by His precious blood. While my moustache and chin down is long-ish, my cheek hair resembles an adolescent if allowed to grow long, ie. thin and sparce. I'll keep on and if I relinquish any rewards because of this, I'll still escape wrath and be in heaven. Better to be a grain of sand, in the farthest corner in heaven, than to be anywhere in hell.
Some ppl may be having issues with this....if they are, & we are spiritual brother's & sisters, we should be kind & work it out with them... that's a big part of being a child of God...not judging others...
Mac Hippy 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and sowe will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words...what do you call this? Isn't the rapture the idea of being caught up to be with the Lord? You seem ill informed!!
Mac Hippy in the 1800's? Sorry but the transcripts for the bible have been here for a VERY LONG TIME. you are decieved by the freemasonic luciferian public schools you've been forced to attend
@@MacHippy-qk4pr you really, really need some attention huh? Did your mom not hug you enough as a child? Is it your lifes goal to attack good christian people because you know you can get away with bullying them? Why not say these same things to a bunch of muslims out in the streets?....lol, good luck with your condescending attitude in real life you mental midget.
My mother grew up in the Church of Christ---a denomination notorious for "majoring on the minors"---and they made a HUGE deal about 1 Corinthians 11--to the point where her family would see me coming, and IMMEDIATELY whip out verse 14 on me! Forget about tattoos, drinking, smoking pot, or gambling, they hated long haired men MUCH WORSE! I can't even be around them now, because I know they will look at me with judgment in their eyes!
Nate R..the length of your hair has nothing to do with righteousness. You are righteous when you Do what Jesus said. Jesus said.."Obey My Sayings and Seek Me for your Provision Everyday and the Father will deliver you from evil." if you have personal relationship with Jesus and Seeking Him..no one else has any right to judge another person or tell you what is right..including pastors. Pastors usurp Jesus. And the people supporting them are idol worshippers.
I would love to hear this argument from an ethnographic view point. I read in the comments folks are arguing which length is just for a male (which seems a little absurd). I think it’s a little vague to just say if your culture says x hair style is feminine, don’t do it. What if that individual moves to another culture? All that to say, I do not think it is sinful or righteous to wear your hair a certain way. You have the choice. Your soul is measured by belief Christ is Lord, he raised from the dead, and he has forgiven all your sins. Not from the length of your hair.
Guess it’s “When in Rome do as the Romans do” according to this. If only Christians would let the Spirit lead them as they read this. Unfortunately we like to do what we like.
Thank you for your explanation on men with long hair and of nature. The long hair on a man is a cultural norm in a society. If it dictates, the men should not have long hair. But cultural norms change in a society according to custom and ideology .
Brilliant sermon. "long hair" is just the boundary line during Paul's time. The point is that a male should not self-decorate and behave as a female, and vice versa. Especially when congregating as a body of believers before God. Not gonna debate about sharp dichotomies and spectra and whatnot, everyone in his or her heart knows if he or she truly wants to be obedient to God, and this includes accepting exegesis about scripture on the simplest of matters that Paul wrote about. If this verse is a stumbling block to you, then all the more you need to confess to Jesus that you need His grace and help.
Really short cut men look like confused Shawn sheep with zero personality. It takes strength, courage patience and commitment for a man to grow their hair long. All good virtues a man should have!
@@jamesjoe4654 oh for sure! After it literally being illegal for me to grow my hair out for a time, I just wanted to try it. To be... human ya know? Growing it out felt like I was breaking the rules of being a man. That I was not being practical and reasonable. A lot of men at my work would "joke" that I was being a hippy or, that I was trying to look like a girl. Dudes seemed to HATE other dudes growing long hair. Females seemed to like it, which was surprising. But this was for me. I have begun to wonder if men hate it because, it is breaking a mold, or not conforming. Went through the awkward phases of growing it out and the back lash because, this was for me. Now I have a long golden mane. I feel human and I love it. I get compliments on it, I get insults on it. In the end, who cares? Its just what hair dose. Men can have long hair. Its no big deal. Do you! Whatever it is, no matter how small, no matter the judgment, DO IT.
@chillsharks367 when growing mine out for similar reasons I definitely got kick back from other men and discrimination over hair, which I thought was weird, but now 6 years later and I scheduled the 1st cut for tomorrow. I'm not sure I really want to do it now! The man mane is not for the faint of heart!
only because God commanded , he did not command others to not cut their hair … though I'm not saying that it's wrong to have long hair or something , but don't use one scenerio or one biblical exception to explain another . it is called heresy
No. God always had exceptions in the Bible. Jael assassinated an enemy king by nailing a peg through his head while he was sleeping, Debra was used to encourage Barak to fight (even though she was no military leader), your example of Samson having long hair (really symbolized his 'faith'), Rahab, Ruth, Namaan the Leper, King Nebuchadnezzer (all being saved and were Gentiles). God always provided exceptions, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE RULE. Jesus had short hair like a man. Because Satan wanted to deceive the nations, he had painters paint him 'taboo' looking, with long hair to differentiate him from the rest. Jesus was masculine and had short hair. If he had long hair and you looked at his backside while entering a the market place, you'd think its a woman. And God doesn't deceive anyone. Only Satan does.
@@deonmay7860 I agree that sin is a sin...but God always provided exceptions to the rule. He can also provide 'Concessions'. (permission). Where in Scripture does it say that Paul and king Saul had long hair? and the prophet Ezekiel? Just remember this Mr. May, Jesus did not have long hair. Otherwise it would be shameful for him to have it and he would be in sin. Satan the deceiver confused and lied to SOOOO MANY PEOPLE FOR CENTURIES, having people think Jesus was like a hippy guy. like a feminine long-haired guy. NOPE. Jesus was the standard of Masculinity. He was a Warrior. He conquered our last enemy -Death. He will come again and you will see him with short hair. Any other guy claiming to be Jesus in our world who has long hair, that's how you'll know he's a fake--by his long hair.
The fact that christians have to argue about literally something as unimportant as hair is beyond me. We should be ashamed of ourselves, seriously. Paul was just being a jerk for what he said in 1 Corinthians, end of story
Brilliantly explained! Question though: If men wearing long hair is becoming acceptable in the US culturally, would that make it acceptable if it's no longer just associated with femininity? I feel like this is tricky because of the rising acceptablility of cross dressing, male makeup, etc.
Bryce Baliko well most gay men have short hair cuts. And you can tell a gay hairdo vs a straight one from a mile away. It honestly about more manly to have long hair nowadays
If the haircut or style is considered masculine for your society or culture then I believe you could apply it without any problem. Because what is feminine or masculine is subjective. It depends on your background society or culture. For example back then men used to wear long robes that looked like skirts. Now adays in our society this would be considered crossdressing.
Naturally, most men can grow long hair so I don't see that as a bad, and the ten commandments never mentioned hair preferences. This is just humans assuming things imo.
This is the only analysed answer on this topic that actualy ecplains the meaning of nature used in this scenario and that actualy gives a detailed answer on Pauls use of hair to describe that men and women should stay the way that God made them and that they should practice their own nature by practicing the culturaly accepted standards for their own genders. God bless this man and every brother and sister out there and bring more people together so they can hear about your grace and glory and love. In Jesus' name and i the name of The Holy Spirit, Amen!
but than the question raises to me: What is the meaning of the scripture? Paul clearly states that a man is the head of the house and has the responsibility over it. But is this scipture talking about the house or the church, and if it is a cultural meaning, how should we apply this to our own houses or churches? And why would Paul use a cultural example to such an extend with such practical applications when he knows it is cultural? It seems to me he is instructing every female reader to cover their heads and every male reader to cut his hair. What is the meaning of it in this age?
tomdvh search the scriptures and history. Theres something else going on here. There is a reason why things are so out of order in marriages and families.
Verse 15, is CLEAR. it's Paul's opinion. And NOT, a command. As a pharasie, I'm sure he had legalistic perpensities. Like the old guy from crew cut times, he didn't see it. That was his thoughts, but if any disagree, we HAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT. I CAN tell you that NO man has a military cut in those times. So, how long, is too long ? Where are the guidelines ?
So our hairlength should be no longer than what Paul referred to as long for men. So even if you have a man bun or masculine long hair, it's still a sin.
This is Paul's ideals, not God's. You don't have to take everything from the bible as fact, if there are other people's opinions (Paul's) in it. Even Satan has some verses in the Bible, that doesn't mean it is approved by God himself, it's just in the Bible.
I feel more upbeat and talkative with longer hair. When I shave my head I think that people judge me as a racist or a thug, also it feels that I experience less joy and feel robotish. I feel like a tree that has been pruned. I honestly am really annoyed with this scripture, I’m starting to think that Paul didn’t even meet Jesus in flesh and he was only human, plus teaching in the Roman times apparently he was aiming for Christianity to be more alluring to the Romans. I can’t imagine Jesus had a slap head.
Great video for a different topic. Paul has already clarified further beforehand in this passage that it isnt about cultural differences between men and women, but from creation itself! It ties into his argument about head covering, for both Men and Women. It can’t be taken out of context to address modern fashion choices or cultural differences. If the law of God is on our hearts then some things can be said to naturally repulse us, just because different cultures might see it as natural does not make it so. Modern culture says that is is appropriate for women to show what many would consider an excessive amount of skin, would Paul support this position? As soon as you bring culture to the bible to interpret in this wag you throw the baby out with the bath water.
I can have long hair and no one would mistake me as a woman because I'm masculine and hair length seems to have no correlation with masculinity. What point is my hair to long and what about black women seem to have short hair so is that dishonorable? This doesn't make sense I think I will stick to Jesus and the scriptures only. Sorry but I don't understand.
Yes. Men in metal bands with long hair do not look like women. Native men with their long braids do not look like women. Women with short hair do not look like men.
You misunderstood his explanation but dont blame John either. I will explain the jist of what he said. Whatever attributes our culture relates to femininity, womanhood, is what Paul says that we as God-created males are naturally opposed to. Meaning this: If in your culture females are known to have short hair, and you wear short hair, Paul then would say that this is shameful. it's not about being mistaken as a woman but really about honoring God-given gender roles over whatever the world might be doing that is against God. That's my takeaway from it, i hope that helps you understand it. Im a male with long hair as well and in modern American culture it's hard to tell if long hair is even really naturally a feminine trait anymore, lol. Also it's worth noting that Paul forms this belief based off of scripture, not his own opinions
Ryan Moon ah haha, thanks. well i certainly wouldnt say that, Piper tends to be very detailed and lengthy with his explanations so the meaning can get lost sometimes, i just happened to catch his point so i kinda explained it in a dumbed down way
The moment Aragorn was created it became proper and natural for men to have shoulder-length hair, because a healthy and godly man would want to be like Aragorn.
Men just cut you hair short, not so important anyway. End of discussion! It is better to be obedient over such simple matter than to have discussions over them. Just cut your hair and don't point fingers at other men for having long hair. Let God be the judge! God bless you all wonderful people!
Very interesting. Women has long hair on her head and men had long har on their jaws. Both long hair are considered by nature and the scriptures to be glorious. When David's men were humiliated by shaving their beards to half, it was considered shameful by David and ordered them to stay till their beards grow to full length.
How is this even a point of contention? Men and women both have hair. If men weren't supposed to have long hair, it would stop growing at a certain point.
I believe the noun "covering" in 1 Cor 11 literally means something wrapped around, so I guess hair which can be wrapped under the chin would be a reasonable gauge.
I got a full on beard. Nobodys going to mistake me for a girl just cause I got long hair lol. I keep it no longer than my shoulders though. I can trim it myself and save money for more important things. I in no way feel 'womanly' or ashamed with my long hair. The Holy Spirit convicted me of a lot, but not my hair.
Earlier today I watched three Catholic priests discussing what the Eucharist means. One of them, Father Tom Dillon, had long hair tied back in a ponytail and he also had a full beard. I think the clean shaven and short-haired look of the stereotypical Catholic priests is just that. A stereotype. It's generally true, but not always.
God does not judge the outward appearance 1st Samuel chapter 16 verse 7 look it up you apparently forget about Paul was a Roman which means romans had a problem with the outward appearance of a man
because God commanded him to not cut his hair , it was all God's spirit working on him ,even when his hair was cut God's power was laid upon him one last time …
Awesome answer! Very clear and well explained. This kind of thought-process tracing a command back to its core message could be helpful in other places too. Thanks DG!
his answer is that 'paul is saying men naturally do not want to be girly"'it just so happened that in Corinth that long hair for men was girly. In Seattle in 1991 this wouldnt apply, long hair on men was not considered girly so a man would not naturally want to reject it and it wouldnt be an issue. Girly and Manly things are socially driven beyond what attributes God has given us.
Allow me to introduce you to a man named John the Baptist and another Man named Samson (who wore his hair in Seven Long Braids). It really should not take you 13 minutes to say NO!!
in the video he says that per CULTURAL rules it is either acceptable or dishonorable for men to have long hair. Here in America, our culture says for men to have short hair. That was our original culture anyway.
if i understood properly I think the answer is "it depends on the culture, if long hair is a sign of femininity, then yes, men aren't to have long hair. however, if long hair is a sign of masculinity, then it's proper for men to have long hair."
@@Gerardo-dt8xf God instructed Samson’s mother, even before this divinely arranged pregnancy, that the child to be born must be devoted as a Nazirite from birth, and “until the day of his death.”(Judges 13:2-7) Samson didn’t make the vow, it was decided even before he was born.
Men have wore long hair for thousands of years. Also about homosexuality. It has been observed in many many different cultures. Many people saddly forget that the main thing god teaches is love. Not to disect others sexual life or hairstyles.
@5:26 It sounds like Piper takes the view that the female covering is a hair style? ("she takes it, wraps it up, and puts it on her head for a covering") Does anyone know if that _is_ his view? It seems pretty clearly to be a veil..
Never seen Jesus, depicted with a short back , and sides, think he's a higher authority, think this lady protests too much, and much more important issues.
If a woman can have short hair ,all the older ones at my church and they are saved folks as well and they have short hair ,then it would have to be ok for men to have long hair so I’m not worried about it,especially if johnathan Edwards had it and he was a saved great preacher so in my mind that justifies my hair,and now I’m Real happy about that cause I’m saved by the grace of God and I have long hair and always have and always will Lord willing!🙂
Another teaching I also heard on this is that to the Corinthians "long hair" meant uncut hair. In Western culture if someone's hair touches their shoulders we consider that to be long, where the Corinthians would not consider that to be long.
I wear my long hair because it makes my face look better, and in my opinion, it kinda enhances the masculine features of my face. Plus it makes me feel like an utter badass sometimes. However, I love Jesus, and I do believe that He died in the cross for my sins and rose up 3 days later. In my opinion, that’s more powerful than whether or not long hair is okay or not, and I know He loves me.
How you"feel" is not the issue. Jesus said if you love Him, you will keep His commandments, not His suggestions. To paraphrase Ben Shapiro, God's Commands don't care about your feelings.
@@johnandrosarios.7685 it’s just hair, brother. Besides, the passage mainly referred to the culture of that time, especially the people of Corinth. Now, however, it’s completely fine. This article helped me a lot in discerning this myself: www.bibleissues.org/hair1.html. Give it a read! :) have a great rest of your day man.
@@zachadair52 thank you for your response. I read the suggested article, and it comes from someone who uses the “cultural” argument to justify women preachers and teachers, so his take on this passage is suspect. My point is we cannot depend on pagan cultural norms to direct Christian behavior. We must create (or continue with) Biblical cultural norms based on the Bible, not on the ever changing whims of pagan society.
@@johnandrosarios.7685 I see where you’re coming from, but I don’t particularly see long hair as a problem. I side with the cultural argument personally, as it makes the most sense to me. I guess we can agree to disagree. :) God bless ya, brother!
@@johnandrosarios.7685 I agree, but this has zero to do with long hair. I know short haired "men" who look effeminate (no muscles, earrings etc.) and long haired men who look masculine. What about the Vikings? If you had lived back then and told them they looked like women with their hear, they would have smashed you. John Wesley himself had long hair
Some folks think there’s a difference in a sin and a shame,like it’s a shame for a man to have long hair in whichever way it means it but that doesn’t mean it’s a sin,I would think if something’s a shame then it’s obvious a sin cause a shame is something negative and the opposite of good and positive,,I would be so sad and miserable if I had to have short hair,y would I have to do something I hate,I’m not changing my hair I’m just saying😭
wait what? The Bible never explains the "allowed" hair length, then why leave it subjective, seems like Paul was just talking about cultural values at the time, and hair growing is just natural, its not like nature comes every few weeks to cut hair, hair growing is just natural, then why would it be a sin and "repulsive"?
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I can’t help but to remember my mom’s Pentecostal preacher calling me every Sunday night and telling me that I was going to die and go to hell because I had long hair I never once remember him telling me that Jesus loved me
Jesus loves you .!
Just cut it. You probably make an ugly girl.
When we reject the law God gave to Moses then the result is a void that man (false teachers and false prophets) will quickly come in to fill with their own man made laws.
Long hair in the first century was determined by pulling your hair back behind the head.... anything that hung over the fist was cut off. It wasn’t a sin but it was a matter of being proper. We know it wasn’t a sin because we know that a Nazarite would where it long. God will not contradict himself. But in matters of proper... there were ordinances, customs, traditions and social norms that needed to be addressed among the Israelites and in the assemblies (ie Corinthian church).
We must go back to the first century to understand lots of what has been lost and misunderstood in scripture. What we see with regards to woman having their heads covered merely meant that woman would have her hair up in a bun or pony tail, etc. Long flowing hair was sexually inviting and meant you were single. Virgins wore their hair down. Woman with shaven hair was usually normative of a woman in mourning or even the punishment of her caught in adultery. Woman with hair up meant they were married (hence they had a physical covering with man and wife under the authority of YHVH). It was conservative even back then. How many times do we see a nerdy looking girl in a movie that takes the glasses off and puts her hair down... only to find her sexually attractive? Same idea.
See my playlist labeled “Beards” for more videos on this. Mainstream Christianity is for the most part disconnected from the 1st century and the Jewish context of scripture and therefore even the Tanak (Old Testament). Shalom
He sounds like an arrogant Mr. Knowitall.
Every picture I've seen of Jesus, he has long hair.
Who else is listening while reading comments lol
Me. Y ask this question and why am I commenting xD
Yes....that is insightful.
@@magallanthepenguin9132 I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry.
People who worship a God who supposedly created cancer and Alzheimers and are debating the morality of hair cuts.
Women had long hair down to the ground in biblical Times . Men with shoulder hair length is normal in biblical Times. Yeshua does have shoulder hair length hair. 2 Samuel 14:26 Absalom Cut his hair. Its okay for men to have shoulder length hair but not to have UNCUT hair like the women used to have ( hair 3 feet on the ground ; never cut!
Yes
Having long hair is not a sin, To say nothing about how length of hair is subjective.
Having long hair as a man for the purpose of looking like a woman, or embodying feminine characteristics is the sin. Having short hair as a woman for the purpose of promoting masculinity or denying femininity is just as much a sin for a woman.
Interesting point I must say 🤔🤔
You're a fool.
Interesting. In some cultures, Native American, Japanese, etc, long hair is a symbol of strength in masculinity. Yet again, God doesn't care of our hair, just our relationship in Him.
So then we can conclude that having long hair, like Father Tom Dillon, is fine. So long as you also have a beard.
@@PiracyandDumbbells No but these are Christians, you know, the right religions.
"Nature says it's unnatural for men to have long hair."
Well, then tell nature to stop growing it.
well if accidents happen that will be a problem
Nature says it's wrong because Paul was referencing Hippocrates, who believed that hair was related to the reproduce organs. Since women received sperm from men, their hair was seen as semen storage. This was based on a crude understanding of the lymphatic system and thinking that lymphatic fluid was semen.
Piper is talking out of ignorance.
@1k Subscribers without any videos... Keep in mind that although the tree of the knowledge of good & evil was in the garden, GOD said don’t eat of it. My point is that, GOD gives us responsibility as stewards in the earth. Just because men’s hair grows, doesn’t mean that, that’s all that needs to be said to justify it.
Seth שת
Seth שת you’re talking out of ignorance. You can’t prove that Paul got his understanding of long hair from Hippocrates, even if Hippocrates said that.
i'm not even going to research what you said....
God literally blessed Samson for having long hair. I dont see how you can compare long hair to homosexuality lol.
So one of the apostles thought long hair on men was a dishonor but God Himself blessed Samson for it? Got the right answer.
Actually God didn’t “bless” Sampson for having long hair necessarily. He was under the Nazareth vow, it’s talked about in numbers. You can’t cut your hair drink wine or eat grapes and you can’t touch anything dead. Sampson was under than since birth. His strength though came from God
THANK U MY DAD KEEPS TRYING TO MAKE ME CUT MY HSIR BC HE SAID IM SUPPOSED TO, IM GONNA TALK HIM
Samson was under the old covenant we are now under the new covenant where having long hair as a male is dishonorable
@@stevenmeza2446 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" - Matt. 5:17
Theres a difference between Jason Momoa’s long hair and a man growing his hair in order to look like a woman. This makes sense Pastor John, thanks.
so a short mullet is ok for men?
It doesn't sweetheart. This guy is a joke.
@@jessicaalvarez2314yes it's okay but I think men shouldn't look like women because it leads to confusion but saint paul is just giving advice.
Jesus does not care about my hair length. What Jesus cares about is what's in my heart and my relationship with Him.
Amen.
long hair on men is a dishonor to god
@@NathanMladenik you didn’t watch the entire video did you?!?!
@@NathanMladenik it clearly states to act in a culturally feminine way knowing that you are a man is a disgrace to God. It also said that if bowing to idols were culturally accepted as contempt that it was not sin. From this we can conclude that if men were culturally accepted to have long hair and women were culturally accepted to wear short hair that would be fine due to the relative nature of culture. You are either ignorant or an unbeliever trying to stir up the Christian faith either way I rebuke such ignorance
@@NathanMladenik en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wesley#/media/File:John_Wesley_by_George_Romney.jpg
"u can typically have long hair but don't look like a woman" that's what I got
But even being trans isnt against god I believe.
@@ilikelefunymemes2828 it’s not what you believe it what’s God says is the truth
@@blazanick .
@@blazanick well how one interprets his words is very much up to the person. He never said directly "trans people bad" also if someone is for example a trans woman, in a way their mind and their brain was female to begin with but their body isnt.
Either way wether its right or wrong to be trans, discriminating or attacking trans people would no doubt be a worse sin.
@@ilikelefunymemes2828 Not so sure about that
The image of Dr Piper in a dress with lipstick on will stay with me for a very long time
God designed our world so that everything would exist in perfect harmony. He made humankind in His image, so that we had the capacity to worship Him and walk with Him. Because God created you, He loves you. You exist to glorify Him in a real relationship.Mankind has rebelled against God, choosing to live for ourselves instead of for Him. This rebellion, called sin, has come between us and God. This sin brings about brokenness in our personal lives, our relationships, and also our world. Not only has it separated us from Him and His perfect design, it also brings judgment and death.Because God loves us, He sent His only son Jesus to rescue us from our sins. The Bible says that “God shows his love for us in that while we were sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). Jesus lived a perfect life, died on the cross as payment for our sins, was buried, and rose again from the dead. His resurrection proves that God has accepted Jesus’ sacrifice for our sins. Believe in Him and the Holy Spirit will come in and lead you to go to Jesus in faith and trust in Him and trust in Him for salvation and repent of your sins and He will hear from Heaven and forgive you of your sins and cleanse you by His precious blood and the Holy Spirit will make you born again and you'll be saved from all sin and from death and from the enemy and from the wrath of God that's against sin. (Romans 5,6,7,8, John 3:16, 1 John 1:9). I'll be praying for you to come to know the true God of all and experience His true love and Holy Spirit and salvation and i pray you'll go to Him and get saved Amen in Jesus name
When my hair gets too long, I just sleep in the woods that night. When I wake up, nature has taken its course and my hair is short again.
Do the animal's eat
You're hair?
@@adamdaichendt3098 bahahahahaha
People stop your jokes with the word of God
@@yahgoshen5815 joking is a tool used by certain ppl to defects from having to deal with real issues
@Webz Gaming must mean that the hair shrinks/ probably forms locks
I clicked on this for two reasons...I'm a Christian, and I have long hair. I also love listening to Pastor John.
Sounds like three reasons to me! :P
Touche. XD
I clicked on this because 1. I have long hair. 2.Many people say it is a shame for someone to have long hair
I mean men
Don't cut your hair please
But naturally men can grow their hair long, so are we talking about societal norms as nature! Because men can grow their hair naturally? Why give us the ability to grow hair long if its against nature? Legit question .
I think you've misunderstood. Our "nature" is to assimilate to our culture. In a culture where women have long hair, men have short (or vice versa), it would be against nature; a conscious and deliberate decision to revolt against the culture.
@@Heylollie343 yea people aren’t good with context he explained it well
Oh, why give us the ability to grow our nails long if we are going to keep trimming it short? Uuuh, because if the nails stop growing, eventually there'll be no nails. Yikes! Get the picture?
and why did God command to have people's natural foreskin removed if they were naturally born with a foreskin?
@@ayolovephat wouldn't be a problem for god to make naturally short hair on a man's head. I mean we have short hair all over our bodies except the head. Soo...
People really like to tell others what they can and can't do it seems. Hair is about the most natural thing I can think of. It just grows.
Interesting Statement. It seems to me more specifically, evangelical pastors really like telling people what they can and can't do. 🤔
Well, good thing I can put my long hair over my ears to avoid listening to that hypocritical gibberish.
Lloyd Tucker i think the argument for long hair is something like: men are in gods image so they should wear their heads with pride, and women are in mans image so they should cover their heads in their natural veil.
So youre mad that the Bible itself says that a man having long hair is against nature....ok, btw, the Bible tells us what to do, if you have a problem with authority then how can Jesus be the lord of your life? No wonder you have long hair
@@chaboi7 what Bible are you reading because if it’s against nature why did God create us like this for our hair to grow why didn’t he stop at a certain length That don’t even make sense so Jesus had a haircut? i’m a God believer to
In my way of growing up, long hair is cool and manly. The Vikings in paintings had long hair.
The Vikings also murdered innocent Christians and burned down and looted monasteries. I wouldn’t say that’s a good thing
@@libertyordeath9936 Christians throughout history killed a lot of people too, in savage ways and nonsense reasons. And btw; forced a lot of people of color and other cultures to convert for nonsense reasons.
shadowilderness364 like what? Give me an instance of us killing unjustly
@@libertyordeath9936 crusades? American colonization, which brought with itself genocide, and slavery, rape and indoctrination? They also brutalized precisely the vikings. The image of the vikings being wild mercyless barbarians is a myth. Of course, like in any othe civilization there was violence and slavery, but you are wrong if you think that christians were some inocent angels made to bring peace and love. I am of course, talking about the institutional and imperialistic branch of christianity, aka: catholicism.
Kevin Z crusades were necessary, as they were defense against the brutal Muslim conquest. The Aztecs did human sacrifices,
I'm 71 years old, have been in church my whole life, have an earned Bachelor of Divinity Degree, have been in ministry for 41 years, and this is the best explanation of this topic I have ever heard.
brace for my big one : I have no idea why you responded in this way. Actually, I have been saved for decades. My response to John Piper was to edify his lesson, nothing more. It wasn't intended to be about me, or my credential. Puzzled why you took it that way. Oh well...
He's a troll. Look at his profile pic lol.
@@K1370 No, my profile pic has to do with my military background during, and immediately following, the Vietnam War.
@@TheSwatmachine I was talking about the other guy's profile pic not yours. The other guy who replied to you is a 'troll'.
@@K1370 My mistake. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
What part of nature made men start knowing that having long hair was wrong?
It's absolutely natural for men to have long hair, god isn't gonna kick you out of heaven cause your hair is above a certain length, heaven isn't military school.
No, me should only wear short hair. It is wrong for men t have long hair.
@@progenderrole1329 this is an objectively false statement.
@@progenderrole1329 it's also wrong for you to have no brain and being ignorant
@@progenderrole1329 says who? You?
@@FN_Ang3l says God
I wanna argue this badddd!! being I have long hair an consider myself a Christian.. but Pastor John's discernment of the Bible comes from his good heart! I value his opinion.
Wonderful! Pride doesn't have a hold on you. My hair is getting fairly long by my standards and people have questioned it. I'm not very attached to it since there was no major reason for growing it. I do like Pastor JP's response and I respect it. I see truth in it. These days nature/culture/society doesn't really frown on a man having long hair so it may actually be okay in my opinion, but I think of the scripture which speaks about things being lawful but not beneficial. So as I go off to bible school in a week, I'll trim it back to about 5 inches instead of the 10 that it's at.
Dude I feel the same way I have long hair but I recently discovered the scripture but I respect God's word and his law more than my feelings I might trim it down a bit
I just realized that we should be discussing the idea of what is considered short or long hair.
Paul never actually said what length a man hair should be. I think shoulder length would be ok. Can actually look pretty cool. Also he never actually said men couldn't have long hair just that it was a dishonor.
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Long hair or short hair,God still loves you.
Very true,I don't intend to shave my hair
@@nunyabizactually6928 So the love of God is inspiring you to disobey the word of God? I think you should pray about that train of thought.
@@AdventureSMBW if it disobeys him so bad why would he create in the first place, people don’t make sense no more
Thank you for this well thought out discussion. My response I am preparing for Godly Men Have Short Hair-ism had priorly been less thought out on the basis of what Paul was actually meaning to discuss with Corinthians 11:14, and the entire passage for that matter. How scholarly to actually bring another part of scripture by the same author as well to further delve into what he was trying to get across, and this approach makes a lot sense when you put into context the fact that the church of Corinth had some real problems with sexual sin. This also ought to put into further context today as far as judging someone's character rather than simply the length of their hair.
Paul never said it WAS a shame for men to have long hair, he said IS IT a shame. Which is a question, not a command
"Does not nature itself teach"...okay, I see what you mean. But it seems to me to be not a question but an illustration.
I appreciate John Pipers teaching overall and really do respect him. I think it’s possible this isn’t correct though. If we compare ourselves to the culture in order to gauge what is right in God’s eyes, we will get it wrong every time. If culture tells me it’s okay for a man to wear makeup, dresses, and heels (which culture is saying this is acceptable) we have to stand firm on God’s word. So if culture says it’s okay for men to have long hair, but the Bible in 1 Corinthians 11 says it’s not natural, we should follow scripture. The Bible does specifically say how long a women’s hair should be or how short a mans hair should be, so we need to seek God’s guidance on this. This whole topic of hair length and headcovering reminds me of Satan when he said “did God really say...” God created men and women for distinct roles, and this is a great thing! If we are honest with the state of our culture, gender roles are completely out the window and it’s very very rare to see a woman submitting to her husband, and a husband loving and leading his wife. Let’s be honest in searching the scriptures ourselves and being willing to follow the Holy Spirit wherever he leads, even if we don’t want to. I didn’t want to cover my head, but it came down to obedience. After obeying, God revealed so much more to me about this regarding biblical manhood and womanhood. If we follow our culture, we can be deceived into many wrong ideas. Let’s honestly follow God. When we justread and obey the Bible it makes more sense than coming up with modern ideas why we don’t have to.
FYI: Christian women have covered their heads for 1900 years, and stopped when the feminist movement began. Surgeon, Tyndale, Calvin, Luther and R.C. Sproul among others taught women headcover and men to uncover their heads in prayer and prophesy. Also, the fact that Paul says women should cover because of the angels should completely throw the cultural argument out the window...because Angels weren’t just in Corinth. They are everywhere both then and now. Lastly, it wasn’t cultural for Corinthian women to cover their heads, and it wasn’t cultural for Jewish men to uncover their heads.
THANK YOU
Hello Heather. I appreciate your thoughtful reply and would encourage you to follow your convictions as that is how we are led. However Pastor John isn't saying we should rely upon culture to help us determine what the truth is, he is saying that throughout the world there are thousands of cultures. Each one has their social norms and definitions of what a man is and isn't. For instance, I am from Tennessee, I cannot expect a man from Papua New Guinea to look exactly what I expect to be normal because our cultures are absolutely different. For me to feel the right to determine their cultural norm based off of my ideas would make me a Pharisee of the highest degree. What is to say that I shouldn't conform to their definition of normal? Just as you believe in having to cover your glory (hair), I do not believe that and I believe it is adding chains to the liberty by which we were set free, but I'm not going to try to convince you to change because it doesn't necessarily advance the Kingdom of God, but instead it would cause division within the body. Lord bless!
Approved Workman I appreciate your response, and I would have said the same thing a year ago and would say a woman covering her heard would be legalistic. However I can say I am more free now than I’ve ever been. God has been at work in me and has given me a boldness that I’ve never had. He’s been up to amazing things and I’m so glad I obeyed the scriptures. May God bless you.
What about the fact that Paul says a woman’s long hair IS her covering?
@@soldieroftruth77 This is more along my line of thinking. It doesn't make sense to me that we have to add to something in order for it to be made right. No disrespect to other brethren but having a physical head covering requirement to me is similar to what the Jews did with their 600 extra biblical laws. Always more restrictions, never able to simply trust in the liberty of the Spirit.
He left out the part (verses 8-12) where Paul talks about men being made for the glory of God, and woman made for the glory of man. That should be included and considered in order to find the complete context of the passage.
What do these additional verses change of the explanation?
I see what you mean, he did it because it's largely covered in the article he spoke about. www.desiringgod.org/articles/creation-culture-and-corinthian-prophetesses
The double standard here in my area are hypocritical. Women here can cut their hair and still be considered ladies but a man who has long hair is "unclean", "unprofessional" or doing something only a woman does.
That is kinda messed up man, anyways, do whatever makes you happy.
I’m not sure you listened to the podcast…
If men couldn't have long hair, our hair wouldn't grow, just like women don't grow beards.
Great point
Very awesome point
Mmmmmm tell em
What? This is a question? Jesus more than likely had long hair and facial hair because he was a nazarene. Many biblical people had long hair.
Actually, they cut the hair short due to heat, & also health wise...since they didn't have showers like we do today...but from what I've read from both secular and biblical Scholars that the hair was cut short...beards, yea, Aaron's beard in Book of Exodus & I think a verse in Samuel , the scripture said his beard was down to his waist...that was like a thing for men, especially elders...so ppl would know/recognize that he as well as others where the elders... However, Jesus very well could have had long hair... But, this just doesn't matter at all...what "we" should care about is what Jesus did for us...died in my place so that I am now viewd as clean to God the Father...He sees Christ in me, not the sinful Ethan....
"Jesus more than likely had long hair and facial hair because he was a nazarene" I think you're thinking of the term 'Nazirite' (like Samson in the Old Testament) which means one who is separated unto the Lord. A Nazarene was just someone who lived in or was from Nazareth.
He did not have long hair look in the bible?
breana mattox nazarenes didn’t cut their hair so that’s why the lord had long hair
@@undeadbounty *nazirites
If long hair is wrong, why did God design it to grow naturally?
Free will?
@@jerytovar1306 is that a joke?
Do you ever cut your nails?
This is never good reasoning.
You reconcile right and wrong with scripture, which is was Pastor Piper is doing here.
Gen 3 fall of man - men had to get food by sweat of brow because God cursed the ground, so it would be "natural" for man to want to chop their hair off. Long hair would be inconvenient, just like needing to go poop in the middle of the night in freezing would be inconvenient but ancients did it unless infirm because pooping where you sleep is naturally embarrassing.
Father Tom Dillon, a Catholic priest, has long hair, but he also has a beard.
Let's just say nobody is going to confuse him with a woman.
Paul's thoughts on long hair seem to reflect the Roman citizen's view of long hair on men.
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Short hair on women is interesting, cus for example as an African woman, my hair does not grow to what is considered “long” in the West. With this in mind, what length is “long” and what length is “short”.
Iniye Spiff Yeah, that’s true. What is short or long?
i agree for us african woman it is totally normal to actual shave your head bold many schools in township South Africa actually require it.
Did you listen to the episode? This was very clearly covered - the short version is that Piper is arguing that the key is what would be considered dressing or styling yourself using gender-associated dress or hairstyle IN YOUR CULTURE. So if in your culture a shorter hairstyle is perfectly appropriate and associated with women, then I don't think he'd have a problem with it. For example, he said if he wore a dress in Minnesota that would be inappropriate as a man, but wearing a kilt in Scotland would be perfectly fine as in that culture that style of dress is associated with maleness.
StevenCattyPaw relax. I listened to it. That’s why I said it was interesting. I’m agreeing with him about the culture specificity that’s why I brought up my own culture.
The thing about African hair not growing that fast is a myth btw. Look up black hair shrinkage
The Lord judges the heart. All of our motives are open to His sight. The teachings of Paul clearly tell us to be led by the Spirit of God. Be more conserned about pleasing God Almighty rather than your own self serving decisions. One easy decision for me, as a man, is not to dress, behave, groom, or make other decisions to attract attention to myself for vain glory. Read 1 Cor chps 10-11
I am a man, I have an undercut, the top is long, sides are shaved or equivalent, I am not ashamed, nor do I look like a woman. I have been born again, cleansed by His precious blood. While my moustache and chin down is long-ish, my cheek hair resembles an adolescent if allowed to grow long, ie. thin and sparce. I'll keep on and if I relinquish any rewards because of this, I'll still escape wrath and be in heaven. Better to be a grain of sand, in the farthest corner in heaven, than to be anywhere in hell.
Are we really debating this…
Some ppl may be having issues with this....if they are, & we are spiritual brother's & sisters, we should be kind & work it out with them... that's a big part of being a child of God...not judging others...
Yes, we are. Although it seems trivial it is not when one becomes fully “woke”
Mac Hippy 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and sowe will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words...what do you call this? Isn't the rapture the idea of being caught up to be with the Lord? You seem ill informed!!
Mac Hippy in the 1800's? Sorry but the transcripts for the bible have been here for a VERY LONG TIME. you are decieved by the freemasonic luciferian public schools you've been forced to attend
@@MacHippy-qk4pr you really, really need some attention huh? Did your mom not hug you enough as a child? Is it your lifes goal to attack good christian people because you know you can get away with bullying them? Why not say these same things to a bunch of muslims out in the streets?....lol, good luck with your condescending attitude in real life you mental midget.
My mother grew up in the Church of Christ---a denomination notorious for "majoring on the minors"---and they made a HUGE deal about 1 Corinthians 11--to the point where her family would see me coming, and IMMEDIATELY whip out verse 14 on me! Forget about tattoos, drinking, smoking pot, or gambling, they hated long haired men MUCH WORSE! I can't even be around them now, because I know they will look at me with judgment in their eyes!
As a long haired Christian, I’m sorry
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So short hair on women is unnatural? I think the 54 countries in Africa would take issue with that.
Nate R..the length of your hair has nothing to do with righteousness. You are righteous when you Do what Jesus said. Jesus said.."Obey My Sayings and Seek Me for your Provision Everyday and the Father will deliver you from evil." if you have personal relationship with Jesus and Seeking Him..no one else has any right to judge another person or tell you what is right..including pastors. Pastors usurp Jesus. And the people supporting them are idol worshippers.
I would love to hear this argument from an ethnographic view point. I read in the comments folks are arguing which length is just for a male (which seems a little absurd). I think it’s a little vague to just say if your culture says x hair style is feminine, don’t do it. What if that individual moves to another culture?
All that to say, I do not think it is sinful or righteous to wear your hair a certain way. You have the choice. Your soul is measured by belief Christ is Lord, he raised from the dead, and he has forgiven all your sins. Not from the length of your hair.
Yeah its just fkn hair
Guess it’s “When in Rome do as the Romans do” according to this. If only Christians would let the Spirit lead them as they read this. Unfortunately we like to do what we like.
I have long hair , God looks at the heart .
Thank you for your explanation on men with long hair and of nature. The long hair on a man is a cultural norm in a society. If it dictates, the men should not have long hair. But cultural norms change in a society according to custom and ideology .
Im 4 min in and this is giving me a headache. His lisp and intensity doesn’t make it any better.
Hey babe
Brilliant sermon.
"long hair" is just the boundary line during Paul's time.
The point is that a male should not self-decorate and behave as a female, and vice versa. Especially when congregating as a body of believers before God. Not gonna debate about sharp dichotomies and spectra and whatnot, everyone in his or her heart knows if he or she truly wants to be obedient to God, and this includes accepting exegesis about scripture on the simplest of matters that Paul wrote about.
If this verse is a stumbling block to you, then all the more you need to confess to Jesus that you need His grace and help.
Really short cut men look like confused Shawn sheep with zero personality.
It takes strength, courage patience and commitment for a man to grow their hair long. All good virtues a man should have!
A 1000 bald men cried out in pain.... Lul
Thanks brother. After six years in the army, I wanted to grow it out just because... well I could? The push back I got was phenomenal.
@@chillsharks367 can you elaborate?
@@jamesjoe4654 oh for sure! After it literally being illegal for me to grow my hair out for a time, I just wanted to try it. To be... human ya know? Growing it out felt like I was breaking the rules of being a man. That I was not being practical and reasonable. A lot of men at my work would "joke" that I was being a hippy or, that I was trying to look like a girl. Dudes seemed to HATE other dudes growing long hair. Females seemed to like it, which was surprising. But this was for me. I have begun to wonder if men hate it because, it is breaking a mold, or not conforming. Went through the awkward phases of growing it out and the back lash because, this was for me. Now I have a long golden mane. I feel human and I love it. I get compliments on it, I get insults on it. In the end, who cares? Its just what hair dose. Men can have long hair. Its no big deal. Do you! Whatever it is, no matter how small, no matter the judgment, DO IT.
@chillsharks367 when growing mine out for similar reasons I definitely got kick back from other men and discrimination over hair, which I thought was weird, but now 6 years later and I scheduled the 1st cut for tomorrow. I'm not sure I really want to do it now! The man mane is not for the faint of heart!
If long hair makes a man look like a woman, then so does shaving." - Issac Asimov (science fiction writer).
Samson had long hair. End of discussion
I have heard the argument that Samson is an exception because he had taken the "Nazarite Vow"... Which requires hair not to be cut.
only because God commanded , he did not command others to not cut their hair … though I'm not saying that it's wrong to have long hair or something , but don't use one scenerio or one biblical exception to explain another . it is called heresy
No. God always had exceptions in the Bible. Jael assassinated an enemy king by nailing a peg through his head while he was sleeping, Debra was used to encourage Barak to fight (even though she was no military leader), your example of Samson having long hair (really symbolized his 'faith'), Rahab, Ruth, Namaan the Leper, King Nebuchadnezzer (all being saved and were Gentiles). God always provided exceptions, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE RULE. Jesus had short hair like a man. Because Satan wanted to deceive the nations, he had painters paint him 'taboo' looking, with long hair to differentiate him from the rest. Jesus was masculine and had short hair. If he had long hair and you looked at his backside while entering a the market place, you'd think its a woman. And God doesn't deceive anyone. Only Satan does.
@@deonmay7860 I agree that sin is a sin...but God always provided exceptions to the rule. He can also provide 'Concessions'. (permission).
Where in Scripture does it say that Paul and king Saul had long hair? and the prophet Ezekiel? Just remember this Mr. May, Jesus did not have long hair. Otherwise it would be shameful for him to have it and he would be in sin. Satan the deceiver confused and lied to SOOOO MANY PEOPLE FOR CENTURIES, having people think Jesus was like a hippy guy. like a feminine long-haired guy. NOPE. Jesus was the standard of Masculinity. He was a Warrior. He conquered our last enemy -Death. He will come again and you will see him with short hair. Any other guy claiming to be Jesus in our world who has long hair, that's how you'll know he's a fake--by his long hair.
@@deonmay7860 Deon, please look at my other extensive response I posted in the comment section.
The fact that christians have to argue about literally something as unimportant as hair is beyond me. We should be ashamed of ourselves, seriously. Paul was just being a jerk for what he said in 1 Corinthians, end of story
Brilliantly explained! Question though: If men wearing long hair is becoming acceptable in the US culturally, would that make it acceptable if it's no longer just associated with femininity? I feel like this is tricky because of the rising acceptablility of cross dressing, male makeup, etc.
Bryce Baliko well most gay men have short hair cuts. And you can tell a gay hairdo vs a straight one from a mile away. It honestly about more manly to have long hair nowadays
If the haircut or style is considered masculine for your society or culture then I believe you could apply it without any problem. Because what is feminine or masculine is subjective. It depends on your background society or culture. For example back then men used to wear long robes that looked like skirts. Now adays in our society this would be considered crossdressing.
@@deleted72636 And now we live in an age where culture is a potpourri because of Globalization etc.
Naturally, most men can grow long hair so I don't see that as a bad, and the ten commandments never mentioned hair preferences. This is just humans assuming things imo.
So if long hair let's you be more manly, culture, the bible, and nature won't revolt?
This is the only analysed answer on this topic that actualy ecplains the meaning of nature used in this scenario and that actualy gives a detailed answer on Pauls use of hair to describe that men and women should stay the way that God made them and that they should practice their own nature by practicing the culturaly accepted standards for their own genders. God bless this man and every brother and sister out there and bring more people together so they can hear about your grace and glory and love. In Jesus' name and i the name of The Holy Spirit, Amen!
but than the question raises to me: What is the meaning of the scripture? Paul clearly states that a man is the head of the house and has the responsibility over it. But is this scipture talking about the house or the church, and if it is a cultural meaning, how should we apply this to our own houses or churches? And why would Paul use a cultural example to such an extend with such practical applications when he knows it is cultural? It seems to me he is instructing every female reader to cover their heads and every male reader to cut his hair. What is the meaning of it in this age?
tomdvh search the scriptures and history. Theres something else going on here. There is a reason why things are so out of order in marriages and families.
That's a great point. I was hoping he spoke into the headcoverings piece alittle. But you are definitely asking some good questions.
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Thank you for your comment Luther, and thank you for your comment Heather and for the link, he really speaks clearly and explaines well.
Verse 15, is CLEAR. it's Paul's opinion. And NOT, a command. As a pharasie, I'm sure he had legalistic perpensities. Like the old guy from crew cut times, he didn't see it. That was his thoughts, but if any disagree, we HAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT. I CAN tell you that NO man has a military cut in those times. So, how long, is too long ? Where are the guidelines ?
Long hair on men can not be dishonorable; Samson’s long hair was his pride as a Nazarene, and when he cut it God’s gift of strength left him.
Nazirite, not Nazarene.
Samuel had a vow. I'm not sure if we can since we didn't really have that vow.
@@matthewnabil Semantics
@@lw97nilslinuswhitewaterweb15 Nazarites and Nazarenes are two completely different things.
So our hairlength should be no longer than what Paul referred to as long for men.
So even if you have a man bun or masculine long hair, it's still a sin.
So what constitutes long hair?
6 inches, 12, beyond the shoulder?
James Busch Exactly! These people are fucking braindead!
However culture defines it. Although, in American culture, long hair is not particularly feminine, as long as it is in a manly style.
@synonym rolls, I wasn't arguing with what john was saying, I was just curious what they considered long.
@@matthewlallinger9603 "a manly style" 😂😂😂 Exit the stone age!!
6.35" is the cut off for men. 4.4 for women.🤔
This is Paul's ideals, not God's. You don't have to take everything from the bible as fact, if there are other people's opinions (Paul's) in it. Even Satan has some verses in the Bible, that doesn't mean it is approved by God himself, it's just in the Bible.
I always felt more shame with short hair. Do any other guys feel that way or is it just me?
I feel like that also like
I taken something important away from
myself so i don't cut it
Anymore.
I feel more upbeat and talkative with longer hair. When I shave my head I think that people judge me as a racist or a thug, also it feels that I experience less joy and feel robotish. I feel like a tree that has been pruned. I honestly am really annoyed with this scripture, I’m starting to think that Paul didn’t even meet Jesus in flesh and he was only human, plus teaching in the Roman times apparently he was aiming for Christianity to be more alluring to the Romans. I can’t imagine Jesus had a slap head.
@@HeartNDagger18 if Paul did add this in the bible without God consent he'll be disciplined
Idk man but i do not look good on short hair. If i have short hair i always wear hat.
Great video for a different topic.
Paul has already clarified further beforehand in this passage that it isnt about cultural differences between men and women, but from creation itself!
It ties into his argument about head covering, for both Men and Women. It can’t be taken out of context to address modern fashion choices or cultural differences.
If the law of God is on our hearts then some things can be said to naturally repulse us, just because different cultures might see it as natural does not make it so.
Modern culture says that is is appropriate for women to show what many would consider an excessive amount of skin, would Paul support this position?
As soon as you bring culture to the bible to interpret in this wag you throw the baby out with the bath water.
I can have long hair and no one would mistake me as a woman because I'm masculine and hair length seems to have no correlation with masculinity. What point is my hair to long and what about black women seem to have short hair so is that dishonorable? This doesn't make sense I think I will stick to Jesus and the scriptures only. Sorry but I don't understand.
WiliestBeret520 agreed
Yes. Men in metal bands with long hair do not look like women. Native men with their long braids do not look like women. Women with short hair do not look like men.
You misunderstood his explanation but dont blame John either. I will explain the jist of what he said. Whatever attributes our culture relates to femininity, womanhood, is what Paul says that we as God-created males are naturally opposed to. Meaning this: If in your culture females are known to have short hair, and you wear short hair, Paul then would say that this is shameful. it's not about being mistaken as a woman but really about honoring God-given gender roles over whatever the world might be doing that is against God. That's my takeaway from it, i hope that helps you understand it. Im a male with long hair as well and in modern American culture it's hard to tell if long hair is even really naturally a feminine trait anymore, lol. Also it's worth noting that Paul forms this belief based off of scripture, not his own opinions
Dylan Alarcon You explained it better than a ten minute Piper video
Ryan Moon ah haha, thanks. well i certainly wouldnt say that, Piper tends to be very detailed and lengthy with his explanations so the meaning can get lost sometimes, i just happened to catch his point so i kinda explained it in a dumbed down way
I have a hockey flow, and I fucking hate when people call me girly.
The moment Aragorn was created it became proper and natural for men to have shoulder-length hair, because a healthy and godly man would want to be like Aragorn.
totally agree😂😁😁
🤣🤣 this made me laugh out loud
Men just cut you hair short, not so important anyway. End of discussion! It is better to be obedient over such simple matter than to have discussions over them. Just cut your hair and don't point fingers at other men for having long hair. Let God be the judge! God bless you all wonderful people!
Most of the people in the Bible had long hairs. Lol.
Boy George also has short hair now and still looks like a woman.
Very interesting. Women has long hair on her head and men had long har on their jaws. Both long hair are considered by nature and the scriptures to be glorious. When David's men were humiliated by shaving their beards to half, it was considered shameful by David and ordered them to stay till their beards grow to full length.
How is this even a point of contention? Men and women both have hair. If men weren't supposed to have long hair, it would stop growing at a certain point.
What is considered "long hair" and "short hair" in the Bible? Is there some standard unit of measurement to go by?
I believe the noun "covering" in 1 Cor 11 literally means something wrapped around, so I guess hair which can be wrapped under the chin would be a reasonable gauge.
I got a full on beard. Nobodys going to mistake me for a girl just cause I got long hair lol. I keep it no longer than my shoulders though. I can trim it myself and save money for more important things. I in no way feel 'womanly' or ashamed with my long hair. The Holy Spirit convicted me of a lot, but not my hair.
Earlier today I watched three Catholic priests discussing what the Eucharist means. One of them, Father Tom Dillon, had long hair tied back in a ponytail and he also had a full beard. I think the clean shaven and short-haired look of the stereotypical Catholic priests is just that. A stereotype. It's generally true, but not always.
Yes brother if you got any more information about growing hair please comment because my church forbids long hair .
Yeah so, in today’s society it’s not a feminine-only thing to have longhair, therefore my healthy male nature isn’t against it, amen.
God does not judge the outward appearance 1st Samuel chapter 16 verse 7 look it up you apparently forget about Paul was a Roman which means romans had a problem with the outward appearance of a man
Samson found strength in his long hair.
And he is blessed by God.. 😳
Hair is like spiritual antenna!
because God commanded him to not cut his hair , it was all God's spirit working on him ,even when his hair was cut God's power was laid upon him one last time …
@@godlychannel4580 what is your point?
@@godlychannel4580 there is a reason why saints or spiritual leaders grow long hair!
It has spiritual purposes it's not about looks!
I just have to ask. How long is long
Awesome answer! Very clear and well explained. This kind of thought-process tracing a command back to its core message could be helpful in other places too. Thanks DG!
Soo, we can or can't? I didn't hear his points really.
Paul also said it was OK to drink wine for the stomach. He added his own opinions
But didn't Samson have long hair and God told him not to cut it or he would lose his strength?
People without hair are judging those who have long hair ;
While those who have long hair are preaching gospel .
Look up Father Tom Dillon. He regularly does a podcast with father Mike Schmidt.
This video made absolutely zero sense!
his answer is that 'paul is saying men naturally do not want to be girly"'it just so happened that in Corinth that long hair for men was girly. In Seattle in 1991 this wouldnt apply, long hair on men was not considered girly so a man would not naturally want to reject it and it wouldnt be an issue. Girly and Manly things are socially driven beyond what attributes God has given us.
Piper is a Calvinist...they tend not to make sense by shifting scope of his arguments from small to huge.
It is saying that men should only wear short hair which i agree with
People still argue this bs? At the end of the day IT'S HAIR!
You shouldn't curse on something with the most high
Well it's an important subject Biblically please show some respect.
@@donttouchmyhair9636 dont worry about it. Us California Liberals don't care about something so innocuous.
Me on the other hand I'm going bald and still listening to this podcast😅
lol
The word of God is dominant over the many cultures. The many cultures aren't dominant over the word of God.
Allow me to introduce you to a man named John the Baptist and another Man named Samson (who wore his hair in Seven Long Braids).
It really should not take you 13 minutes to say NO!!
how long is too long for hair?
Im guessing for men to have it down to their lower back is feminine..im guessing men can have it to about shoulder length?
@@isanaff3948 it's all guessing tho, this matter needs more study an less listening to self assured pastors
I wonder then what Paul or the Corinthians thought when reading about Samson?
in the video he says that per CULTURAL rules it is either acceptable or dishonorable for men to have long hair. Here in America, our culture says for men to have short hair. That was our original culture anyway.
@@krystalclutter1101 Yeah in hindsight I was ignorant of the fact that Samson was a Nazarite so it was a cultural norm.
@@krystalclutter1101 the founding fathers wore wigs or had long hair themselves, thats the original "american" culture
Rightly dividing the Word here
This kind of doesn't answer the question.
if i understood properly I think the answer is "it depends on the culture, if long hair is a sign of femininity, then yes, men aren't to have long hair. however, if long hair is a sign of masculinity, then it's proper for men to have long hair."
@wulfgar3000 What about the culture of God? Someone before suggested asking God directly.
"Long floppy... earrings." Lol I know he wanted to say titties.
So ppl cant straighten their hair cuz its unnatural
you missed the point.
I was actually wondering if cutting the hair was okay, because it seems more natural not to cut it...
Why are they not talking about the story of Sampson in The Bible????????????
Because he took the Nazarite vow which only applied to a specific rule on his account being one of the judges...
@@Gerardo-dt8xf God instructed Samson’s mother, even before this divinely arranged pregnancy, that the child to be born must be devoted as a Nazirite from birth, and “until the day of his death.”(Judges 13:2-7) Samson didn’t make the vow, it was decided even before he was born.
Men have wore long hair for thousands of years. Also about homosexuality. It has been observed in many many different cultures. Many people saddly forget that the main thing god teaches is love. Not to disect others sexual life or hairstyles.
I'm a man and I'm very happy with my reddish-brown mane that hangs past my shoulders...
He said shame, not sin
@5:26 It sounds like Piper takes the view that the female covering is a hair style? ("she takes it, wraps it up, and puts it on her head for a covering") Does anyone know if that _is_ his view? It seems pretty clearly to be a veil..
Never seen Jesus, depicted with a short back , and sides, think he's a higher authority, think this lady protests too much, and much more important issues.
If a woman can have short hair ,all the older ones at my church and they are saved folks as well and they have short hair ,then it would have to be ok for men to have long hair so I’m not worried about it,especially if johnathan Edwards had it and he was a saved great preacher so in my mind that justifies my hair,and now I’m Real happy about that cause I’m saved by the grace of God and I have long hair and always have and always will Lord willing!🙂
EXATLY my thoughts lol
I think if somebody has facial hair, then even if they have long head hair, it's going to be pretty self-evident that they are a man.
Men should look like men, and women should look like women. The ingredients of that "look" depend upon culture and point in time.
Another teaching I also heard on this is that to the Corinthians "long hair" meant uncut hair. In Western culture if someone's hair touches their shoulders we consider that to be long, where the Corinthians would not consider that to be long.
I was thinking, what exactly is long, and what is short?
Why did Samson grow hair? Ist it because God said so?
I wear my long hair because it makes my face look better, and in my opinion, it kinda enhances the masculine features of my face. Plus it makes me feel like an utter badass sometimes. However, I love Jesus, and I do believe that He died in the cross for my sins and rose up 3 days later. In my opinion, that’s more powerful than whether or not long hair is okay or not, and I know He loves me.
How you"feel" is not the issue. Jesus said if you love Him, you will keep His commandments, not His suggestions. To paraphrase Ben Shapiro, God's Commands don't care about your feelings.
@@johnandrosarios.7685 it’s just hair, brother. Besides, the passage mainly referred to the culture of that time, especially the people of Corinth. Now, however, it’s completely fine. This article helped me a lot in discerning this myself: www.bibleissues.org/hair1.html. Give it a read! :) have a great rest of your day man.
@@zachadair52 thank you for your response. I read the suggested article, and it comes from someone who uses the “cultural” argument to justify women preachers and teachers, so his take on this passage is suspect. My point is we cannot depend on pagan cultural norms to direct Christian behavior. We must create (or continue with) Biblical cultural norms based on the Bible, not on the ever changing whims of pagan society.
@@johnandrosarios.7685 I see where you’re coming from, but I don’t particularly see long hair as a problem. I side with the cultural argument personally, as it makes the most sense to me. I guess we can agree to disagree. :) God bless ya, brother!
@@johnandrosarios.7685 I agree, but this has zero to do with long hair. I know short haired "men" who look effeminate (no muscles, earrings etc.) and long haired men who look masculine.
What about the Vikings? If you had lived back then and told them they looked like women with their hear, they would have smashed you. John Wesley himself had long hair
Some folks think there’s a difference in a sin and a shame,like it’s a shame for a man to have long hair in whichever way it means it but that doesn’t mean it’s a sin,I would think if something’s a shame then it’s obvious a sin cause a shame is something negative and the opposite of good and positive,,I would be so sad and miserable if I had to have short hair,y would I have to do something I hate,I’m not changing my hair I’m just saying😭
Longer the hair the better.
wait what? The Bible never explains the "allowed" hair length, then why leave it subjective, seems like Paul was just talking about cultural values at the time, and hair growing is just natural, its not like nature comes every few weeks to cut hair, hair growing is just natural, then why would it be a sin and "repulsive"?