Magia Record IS Madoka -- It's Just Not Grimdark
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- Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story: Magia Record is the latest Madoka spinoff and an adaptation of the popular mobage. It maintains the dark and existential tone, but its more hopeful setup and the lack of Urobuchi Gen on staff has given some pause. Jisu of SecretIdentityStudio argues that Magia Record is still truer to the Madoka spirit than any of its imitators.
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Madoka has always been about hope, anyone who says Madoka is about despair was only paying attention to the shock value.
Haven't finished the series just yet, but the last couple episodes must be one heck of a turnaround, considering... *[Spoilers through episode 10]* Homura's constantly fruitless quest for a timeline where Madoka doesn't die, the inevitable transformation of every Magical Girl into a witch, and in particular the intersection of those two issues where Madoka Witch destroys the world. Though come to think of it, the existence of a spin-off implies that at least that last part was corrected at some point.
Finally found time to finish the series, and...yeah, good point. (Though I was also right about the heck of a turnaround. That was one heck of an episode.)
I should probably rewatch the series to see how that was foreshadowed.
@@timothymclean pay special attention to everything Homura says, because you'll see how her words always have a doubled/deeper meaning.
Do you have any plans to watch the sequel movie, Rebellion?
@UCf5nhUc4VdMg1EaPGuD7V8g Having now both watched the anime and played the game, it definitely feels like the anime is sticking too close to the game's plot. I like what it's doing, it just needs to do it more.
I couldn't agree more!
I don't love Madoka Magical for it's grimdark aspects. It's more of the characters and the struggles they face trying to deal with the reality of being a magical girl and the hope they can't risk losing. The hardships, the despair, and the pain that the characters face is what drive me home and had me relate to them. It's also their wishes and the bonds they've made along the way too. (plus the music and emotions, pacing of the story) idk with Magia Record, I don't feel for any of the characters so far(and it doesn't help that there are SO many magical girls being introduced) with problems that get solved in a blink. The soundtrack is lacking hard and there doesn't seem to be any form of build up(yet)
Lol, comparison with Precure is praise, not condemnation.
Precisely.
Depends on who makes the comparison. (Whether or not the condemnation actually _works_ is another matter, but an insult will read as an insult even if the points it makes are complementary on further inspection.)
You are absolutely correct about this and I had no idea people were critiquing Magia Record not being "dark enough." I've seen a small sub-section somewhere some complained about the new outfits the girls had and showing "too much skin" and it was just annoying. But not being dark enough? These are probably the same people who shat on any other "dark" magical girl series for not being Madoka but once a Madoka spin-off/game gets animated, they think it's too tame? Can't please them all.
I agree that after Madoka's success, people forget about the original ending because of Rebellion (even though I liked that ending, I get why people don't like it) It was melancholy but it still had a hopeful message, as all usual magical girl shows do. You can have dark moments for characters and the setting all you want, but you have to have some sort of light somewhere. If there's no light, then what's the point? I'm a fan of Mahou Shoujo Site because of it's interesting concept, but I can agree it goes way too far sometimes. It's manga is...somewhat of a disappointment toward the end if I'm putting it lightly. Magical Girl Raising Project, I would argue, is better than Site but that's just me. I haven't seen the Asuka show yet but I don't plan on it.
Overall, I'm a huge Madoka fan and to see something Madoka related being animated and relevant in 2020 makes me happy.
And there's still the entire second half of the story to be animated. But who knows when that'll happen?
Especially since the Magia Record anime was originally announced for just 2019 before getting a January 2020 release.
So we just have to wait in the Madoka void for seadon 2.
Melon Tart VA laughs in playing the source material.
Not laughing in the fact that the English server is shut down.
@@3DOM_ i made a video on the subject
Magia Record's anime was like a nice breathe of fresh air since the late trend of edgy magical girl series. The most recent popular light-hearted magical girl anime I remember is Little Witch Academia from 2017 (not counting Precure as it's aimed for kids). Plus I'll say that a bunch of people who like PMMM are barely familiar with the magical girl genre :/
I agree. Especially since we had been waiting 7 years for more Madoka Magica.
And then everyone got mad because it didn't do what the original did, not understanding the point.
I mean, Mami dying was pretty fucked. But u know whats more fucked up? A little girl being erased from memories or even photographs as if she never existed.
@@MelonTartVA It's an old comment, but about waiting for new Madoka series, I was like that and many people were like that, but then later I didn't care so much. Thing is that to me, Madoka + Rebellion as a self-contained story, I don't see how that can be topped, so any new series would have to be something subpar, it would have to be different with different stakes, it would have to be lighter, it couldn't really recreate the Madoka story. Sure, it can be fun, a thing about Madoka is that the universe lets you do all of these things, you can have different stories no problem, but it's also not a surprise that they would be lighter, you can't really do another "Madoka" story, it's no surprise Magia Record has to be lighter.
A: Madoka Magica was never "grimdark" in the first place considering it's powerful emphasis on hope.
B: imo it's not that Magia Record "isn't dark enough" but more that things just get resolved too easily.
"Oh no, Kaede was taken by the rumor! What do we do?! Oh wait she's actually fine"
"Oh no, Iroha is turning into a witch, what do we do oh wait she's fine too. In fact it's a power up..."
"Oh no Iroha is gonna turn on her friends in her "witch" form what do we oh wait deus-ex-Mami is here to resolve everything IMMEDIATELY."
Like I don't even have time to get invested in the conflict before it's immediately resolved so there's no tension.
In fact all of the tension so far comes entirely from dropped plotlines.
Kuroe wants to be saved from being a magical girl? Good thing we'll never see her again.
Gotta find Ui's roommates? Great, we'll just drop that entirely and never pursue that lead.
My biggest issue with the show so far is that it's so concerned with building up the mystery, but it's not giving ANY answers, instead just piling on more and more questions. I find that kind of writing extraordinarily tedious.
Additionally, Shaft did not "demand" that Urobuchi change the end of Rebellion, that's a myth I wish people would stop perpetuating.
If you actually read Urobuchi's own words regarding the ending of Rebellion, he states that the "original" ending didn't make sense and he wasn't satisfied with it.
When director Shinbo suggested that Homura confront Madoka as an enemy, Urobuchi agreed that ending would be a better fit for Homura and it helped him get over his writer's block.
Other than that, yes it's true that Madoka is about simple, mundane problems spiraling out of control, and Magia record certainly keeps that spirit, no complaints there.
Also the show so far has been much more well-written than the game, making fairly positive adjustments where necessary. A lot of plot contrivance, unnecessary wordiness, convenience have been trimmed down or removed, which is quite nice.
I'm still enjoying the show, but there's no denying it suffers from some rather glaring structural and pacing issues.
I agree with everything you said! The new show is fine I do get the same feeling with this with the original madoka just the pacing is great things happen far to quickly. Even mami I connected so quickly with because how well her character was handled but I dont strongly feel for much of these magical girls as there development is so quick or theres no development at the moment for them. Hoping it will get better better but for me personally it will never top madoka or even be close but that's fine at the same time I never expected it to be and at the end of the day I'm just happy to have more time in the madoka universe 😊
Wow this is exactly the problem.
Mami gets more screentime in episode10. Also about Ui's roomates.. Check out episode 10.
@@sparktwochristopher7240 yup, I've seen episode 10. I knew they were going to eventually come back to the roomates. It's really annoying, not to mention structurally bizarre, that such a big deal was made about finding the roomates only to completely forget about them in the next episode and not mention them again for 7 episodes.
@@brjoey To be fair, Ui is Iroha's main priority. I sometimes wonder why the roomates were important to Iroha when in conept-wise, they were basically stepping stones on a path to finding Ui. Seems like the writers just decided to quit beating around the bush and focus on the main point: Ui. They just decided to make the roomates relevant to the story of Magius, not for the search for Ui.
I'm glad to hear this. For me, I loved the Madoka series so much because it managed to be dark and, well, deep, exploring some very interesting and mature themes. But I wouldn't have liked it, or at least not nearly as much if it hadn't ended with the affirmation that, as hard as it is, Hope, Love, and other like things are still worth fighting for AND that things can ultimately get better. Rebellion for me is frustrating because of how it ends. That ending was actually alright and in-character (as in, I do think that Homura could do that if she let her worst parts rule her), but the problem is that is is currently "the end." I wouldn't so much mind if the story continued and things were eventually righted and became better, like the original series. But we're still waiting on it. I hope it gets made and that it remembers that it wasn't about the suffering in the end. It was always about the hope, and how important it was to love and support each other.
For me, since I care so much, I feel like there's such a thing as "Grief Overdose" in some ways when it comes to the series, or even others in general. Hearing that this show and game is lighter than the original (though I know it takes a dark turn towards the end of Season 1, might wait for Season 2 or not before viewing) makes me feel better and a bit more confident on watching it.
Magia Record is at least safer for your wallet than FGO.
True
Especially in JP
Got all in point, sadly i started to realize a big part of the PMMM fandom its just a bunch of edgelords wishing blood, so i just can stand and keep with Magia Record till the final and then, when the story comes to the end, just sit and just laugh at everybody face when Mikazuki magic girls do the unthinkable...
I will suscribe and wait your video about that, i know still a lot of time till that but it will be nice!
I just like Magia Record for its world building, I didn't know people had issues with it
Same just i feel like it's done better in the game. Maybe because I played the game first I have a biased opinion though
@@mewmewkissycutie1028 I like it in general, and you are valid
LMAO imagine being so ill-versed with Magical Girl that you think comparing a show to Precure is an insult. Precure is an incredible series!!
Holy cow this! Sure because it's based on mobile game and nobody is going to die in mobile game, we can't expect any deaths to characters, but that doesn't mean story can't still have dark moments. And sure while game has many more lighthearted ones, there is still plenty dark stuff going in it. You correctly pointed out, copying the formula of Madoka wasn't possible because 1. everyone and their mother now expects it and 2. just blindly copying it would leave no impact. Shaft is no Disney, to just remake their old property to "introduce it to new generations". People can rewatch original Madoka whenever they want.
What I love about MR is that it looks at original and instead of just threading the same plot points with new characters (which most of manga spin offs do from what I know, and even they usually try to add new things), they looked at it and thought "ok, how can we expand on it?". In Madoka we only really saw the stories and struggles of 5 magical girls who happened to find out the truth. And they only really did it because of Homura's constant time traveling. Here we have a story of dozens of magical girls and obviously some of them will find out the truth. The story is interested in exploring what would they do, how they would copy with it. Hence we have a group of magical girls that try to find "liberation". Uwasas are another new addition that is taking concept of fighting witches, but adds new spin to it. And of course Doppel, which I won't go too much into here, because spoilers, but it's another clear expansion of what we saw in original show.
Sure game's plot isn't as tight and have some issues, but for the most part I do enjoy it and for a gacha game that they made mostly for money, they did came up with interesting story that tied old characters in a clever way to it. Also something that makes anime even better is that, unlike most adaptations, it's not 100% faithful to the game. In fact, it changes quite a bit, to make story flow better and makes more sense, and last 4 episodes differs heavily from what was in the game, so actually going for even darker tone and adding some characters death later doesn't seems that out of the question. I mean Kuroe, anime original character, already gives them 1 that they can kill whenever they want without hurting people playing game. In fact as soon as I saw they added her, I assumed they will kill her off at some point.
And even if not characters death, the story definitely doesn't shy from darker elements that made Madoka famous. As I already mentioned the truth about witches is still a major component that is driving force behind actions of many characters, and we will still get to explore how main cast will react to it themselves. Felicia's parents got killed by a witch and now she has to live on a street and works as mercenary. If that's not dark, then idk what is. There is also being bullied to the point of wishing to disappear and wishing to get rid of entire city. Story will get to the "dark" parts people want, we are just not here yet.
Also something people not appreciate. Because of the way original Madoka was made, we never really see Madoka as magical girls. Here we will actually be able to see it and how Madoka reacts to everything the way she originally would, before Homura started to mess with things.
I wouldn't say the manga original stories really rethreaded the older plot points.
Well, Kazumi Magica's story was very different and introduced some interesting ideas (i reccomend reading it).
But I do agree that people are missing the point of what Magia Record is supposed to be.
Granted, many of the plotlines were shortened and/or glossed over (Sana's backstory being the biggest and worst example of this). But we got more Madoka after 7 years. Why can't we all be happy about it?
Tbh magia record was dark in a different kind of way. Magical girls were still getting "corrupted," just not in the way the first series did it. I mean, the wings of the magi? Heckin cult and thats already pretty creepy imo
They diluted the dark, it's there but for once: the girls get to vent out and have a break instead of being ticking bombs
And its fucked up that a little girl is erased from not only memories, but also photographs.
Madoka Magica was more overtly fucked up while Magia Record is more fucked up in the underlying plot and its mystery.
@@marinaaguas9219 that is a good theory. But having played the mobile game, I know where the rumors come from, what the baby Kyubey is, and where Ui is.
But I will not say because SPOILERS
@@marinaaguas9219 not quite. The rumors are created by Nemu, based on stories created by her, Touka, Ui, and Iroha.
You see, the 3 young girls couldn't go outside to see the city, so they made up stories based on places they wanted to go.
So when they became magical girls, one of Nemu's powers was to make whatever she writes in her tome real.
“Just not grimdark.”
- Enter Season 3
"It's Just Not Grimdark"
* Starts off video with bears putting children is sacks *
Big thanks for such a sensible review. This video feels like an oasis in the 'magical girl fandom' these days.
I think people have also forgotten just how much more gorgeous Magia Record looks than every other darker MG anime after the OG
The wishes were always meaningless. The point was how a wish with good intentions was was twisted and how it affected them. There is nothing of that in Magia Record. There is no internal struggle.
None of the characters seems to have a purpose in the plot, in the original:
-Mami was there to lure the viewer.
-Madoka is the center of the plot.
-Sayaka is there to show how the things that happen can make the girls go from hope to hopelessness.
-Kyoko was the oposite from Sayaka and was there to show how someone hopeless regained hope.
-Homura is the main character and the story is about her wish.
All of them had a purpose. What's the purpose of the girls in Magia Record? Yeah, they are characters with personality. However most of them fills no purpose in the plot. In the original all the characters were necessary to create to story, in Magia record you can change almost every character with another with a different personality and the story wouldn't change. In Madoka Magica the characters were the story, in Magia Record the characters are in a story.
There are too many characters and they try to give importance to all of them so none of them but the two main protagonists feel relevant.
I will avoid spoilers. As you know something that should make the viewer care about a character happened in the last chapter. However since it happens without developing the character people are not emotionally invested and they don't feel anything even close of how they felt when in original series Sayaka or Kyoko met their fates. (This is an example of what I think it's poor writting. Because if they honestly wanted me to feel something about what happens to that girl they should have at least dedicate half of a chapter to her so I would care.)
I really love your perspective. Especially the fact that people seem to assume that just because an anime is happy, that it is inherently bad. Plenty of classical magical girl shows do touch on serious topics like Sailor Moon and Ojamajo Doremi. I guess for me it was an issue of reading a book and then seeing the movie adaptation. Or in this case, playing the game versus watching the anime.Obviously some things have to be removed for the sake of length, and some things might even be added. It was just a bit jarring when I first watched it. But the way you explained it is actually making me want to rewatch the show and give it a little more appreciation than I did before..
People not liking the spin off because it's not dark enough? I wonder if the fact those people miss the point behind Madoka Magica says something. I only read the manga adaptation of Madoka Magica so I do not have much experience with the Madoka Magica expanded universe, but I am enjoying this new spin off so far and witnessing just how surreal the animation can get in this series.
As for the trend of Magical Girl stories being dark and edgy, I think I am going to avoid those ans stick with the more I think I traditional Magical Girl stories that are more optimistic, especially after what happen last winter season with a certain Magical Girl show you use as an example (let's just say I had to stop watching the show for health reasons). Besides I resonate more with stories with an optimistic message to them.
To be fair, the original anime spent a lot of time attracting fans who were just in it to watch magical girls suffer and die horribly before it finally got around to saying "but actually, hope is good."
@@abraveastronaut Really now? I see.
I reccomend checking out the spin-off manga/expanded universe.
Mainly Kazumi Magica, Tart Magica, Oriko Magica, and The Different Story
@@MelonTartVA Alright. Thank you for the recommendations. :) Also, by "The Different Stories" do you mean the spin offs of Oriko Magica titled "Extra Stories" and "Sadness Prayer"?
@@Aquablossom21 no. There is one titled "Madoka Magica: The Different Story"
It starts by reflecting on the past of Mami and Kyoko before going into a new story starting at volume 2
The problem I have with the side story is that the characters are just too bland (lack any characteristic to be interesting) so far (ep 11) most of the (newly introduced) main characters are cheaply resolved from their trauma that it comes off as disingenuous. Almost all of the characters lack any flaws (or imperfections) for what seems to be the sake of making them likable for audiences.
The struggle of Felicia losing her parents and Sana having emotionally abusive parents and being socially isolated from her peers don’t seem to permanently alter their personalities or views of the world in ways that the main series or most people who have experienced this would have.
The characters don’t seem to have any deep bonds with one another, they’re just living together and being nice to each other. Giving off this shallow appearance of a close group of friends/family.
Also the fact that it’s not dark isn’t and is the issue, Madoka wasn’t dark, in terms of how these magical girls animes that came after portrayed the darkness, it was just a realistic portrayal of hope and despair from a teen or older experiences.
And this side series, to me, fails to portray despair and hope of a person’s life through these new characters with or without the backbone of the main series.
Evna the game goes in depth w the relationships so much more -_- anime disappoints
Well, rhe problem is adapting the first half of a mobile game plot into 12 episodes was never gonna be easy.
In fact, Sana's backstory involves more than the parents. It was the father who was emotionlly abusive to her because she didn't have amazing grades and her step brothers refused to help her when she asked for help.
A new friend she had made also abandoned her when she was bullied and a kitten she loved was taken away.
Sana was sick of feeling alone and being looked down on. So she wishes to disappear so that she didn't have to face it anymore.
I will admit that the anime could've had Sana flash back to the friend abandoning her to help drive home her shyness and loneliness and show that her mother didn't like how her daughter was being treated
Witches have become stands from Jojo’s bizarre adventure.
I mean, they already kind of did in Rebellion.
SecretIdentityStudio I mean, in rebellion, I just assumed Sayaka and Nagisa had witch powers and junk cause they were madoka’s bodyguards. In Magia record, literally every character is capable of using a doppel.
0:54 Thank you for telling me what I felt, but I could never put my finger on. I can barely remember Iroha's and Kuroe's names, and Iroha - along with a group of 4 other magical girls - all I see are just new character designs with the same color schemes as Madoka's 5 primary magical girls! I don't get enough time with any of them to feel what their personalities are like the first time watching, because all of them feel the same to me. February 23, 2020, 4:47am
that is like, every Magical Girl group ever though
You have 5 or 6 person with different personality
@@cps1247 That is very true, but Madoka Magica's Side Story should not have chosen anything close to the exact same color scheme as the original Madoka Magica girls. February 27, 2020, 6:22pm
@@adamkalb1 the color sceheme are different outside Iroha being pink. Do Yachiyo has purple motif as Homura? Do Tsuruno has blue motif as Sayaka?
@@cps1247 Yes. Yaychiyo (or Kuroe) has dark purple or black motif like Homura, Momoko has yellow motif like Mami, Kaede has red motif like Kyoko, and Rena has blue motif like Sayaka. February 23, 2020, 6:59pm
@@adamkalb1 I'm sorry if you are color blind but Yachiyo's motif is dark blue/aqua and Tsuruno is light orange. Their personality is different also. Yachiyo is NOT Kuroe however, the latter is now forgettable.
Rena is not part of Iroha's gang, she's from Momoko and Kaede.
"Edgical Girls," gonna add that to my vocabulary.
Imagine if puella mdoka was given spin-off like the fate series does:
-Carnival Puellatasm
a cross-over with madoka magical and other edgy magical girls shows. Where characters interact in comedic situations
-This evening at Mami's tea party
kyubei's magiccal girl program is in indefinite hiatus, meanwhile the cast is just vibing and having tea parties
-kaname puella kaleid gemsoul
Tomohisa Kaname was just enjoying his house-husband life, after moving in to a new house with his wife Junko and their 3 year old son tatsuya, while taking a bath with tatsuya, a talking pink round gem fall in from the window, transforming tatsuya into a soulgem leaving Tomohisa no choice but to become a puella mahou and protect the city from witch-possessed girls to grant his wish of turning tasuya back to normal.
I honestly like Magia Record better than the original series. Magia Record had a larger cast which supplied better worldbuilding and more lore into the Puella Magi universe. It was also more unpredictable and had better twists. The Uwasa and Doppel System really flipped things up and made the story more interesting.
I also agree with your view on Madoka being more like Precure. When I saw Rebellion and Magia Record, I was surprised by how its darkness level was actually not that different compared to traditional magical girl shows, particularly Sailor Moon, (who kills herself out of grief at one point, but is revived later).
I see a lot of people complain that Magia Record is not well-made, but this video highlights the similarities those forgetful idiots don’t understand. Magia Record is essentially a reborn Madoka Magica that keeps its achievements, while abandoning the few flaws the original series had.
1:24 que the 'whys'. me: Why does almost (or every) episode it starts out with Iroha waking up in bed from a dream or something?
hmmm... are those really the only criticism people are putting towards magia record? i had not expected it to be darker and i was actually excited to watch something a bit lighter but after the excitement that the first few episodes were the series started to feel less special...it's not about stakes being lower but about not really having clear ones, i guess. Iroha's search for her sister isn't nearly central enough to be that driving force. Sure, it is brought up a lot but honestly, if Iroha wasn't in that series the characters would go through similar stuff. The only thing that her existence was necessary for is Yachiyo's character development. That part i found very very satisfying. I like the uwasa concept a lot, urban mythos is so fascinating! Friendship Ending Staircase was really really cool imo. But something after it felt a bit off... Maybe it's just how many characters were introduced. Maybe it's just my personal preference bc I generally never really like series with lots of characters. I'd probably enjoy it more if Iroha stayed with the characters introduced in the first few episodes and they had more time to grow. The whole mystery of the series was the Magius... And by the end of it we still pretty much know nothing about how exactly Doppels work. You can guess but I'm pretty sure it was left unanswered on purpose. Also someone might say I'm dreadfully wrong but i guess it comes down to taste... OG Madoka was just better directed visually. Sure, Magia Record had its moments but Madoka was just more consistent and consistently animated, with things, people moving, action flowing better. I just never was a big fan of polish instead of movement. The 1st episode though... Oh man that was a spectacle, I was stunned. I knew right away though that keeping such a high standard would be impossible throughout the entire series...
I do like it✨
I wish it had gotten more attention
I came to magia record looking for a happy story and cried tears of joy
I don't have a problem with Magia Record Side Story not being so...edgelord, but there is another problem for why it doesn't feel like Madoka to me - I was used to the tone of how Madoka Magica combined the cute with the creepy, how adorable characters are juxtaposed by dark situations and surreal visuals, and this was true of the show from the start, even before Episode 3. In Magia Record, I feel neither of those things. All the pieces are there, but they aren't utilized. February 23, 2020, 4:52am
Its getting darker in season 2
Magireco is pretty. It disappointed me not because it “conflicted” with the original show, but simply because it’s writing isn’t as good. An interesting start and premise soured as the show went into its latter 2 thirds. There’s needless retreading of old ground for character depth, 1-note cast members getting WAY too much screen time, fanservice of all kinds left and right, occasional hilariously edgy writing, cameos (Sayaka) stealing the spotlight from protagonists, constant unresolved mystery as bait, the lead’s biggest problem being physical weakness (not compelling whatsoever), I can go on and on and on. I’m disappointed with the show’s script, but I still appreciate the talent behind expanding Madoka’s world.
honestly I like that Magia record isn't all dark and depressing. Doesn't mean it's not happy-go-lucky like other magical girl shows, but it's more mature if I would call it
I find interesting that you didn't show any clip of Yuki Yuna. Didn't you know the franchise or there are other reasons?
Aside from that, yeah, Magia Record is indeed Madoka, but a bit lighter in tone (and with some pacing issues). And does what it does knowing people most likely have already watched Madoka and won't be surprised by the same things one second time.
I think the reason she didn't show Yuki Yuna is because Yuki Yuna didn't cross any lines like Magical Girl Site, Magical Girl Raising Project, or others did.
Yuki Yuna (at the time) felt like the little sister to Madoka Magica. I enjoyed it because it never crossed any lines (unlike Magical Girl Site did in its first episode)l
@@MelonTartVA Makes sense. YuYuYu is dark (and the side material gets even darker), but not an edge-fest. Not that I think being edgy is bad per se, it's all about the execution.
@@Javifaa true. And Magical Girl Site, IMO, was a bad execution. Too much darkness and edge in the first episode.
Never forget the shoes
Me who watches precure since I was 2 : “and I took that personally”
I’ve played the game Magia Record, and if the story of season 2 covers chapter 7-10 of the main story, it’s going to be really good and improve a lot
Two different shows, with different pacing and how they handle their “edginess” is awesome... read the comments and it goes both ways.... but not a single person in this comment section or the lady making this video can deny that we still watched madoka Magica and loved how grim it was Bc it showed that the characters you loved could actually die, be genuinely distraught, or shook af.... that made most fans love the main character and show for that reason alone. Sure the tone is softer, but if you haven’t played the game or just loved the novel/manga or whatever, then you’re watching this side story Bc of how the original show played out dark and all. If you like the side story then cool, if you don’t then DONT. But this high horse defense is silly, that’s like watching terraformars or highschool dxd and criticizing fans when you know that changing what made you get invested in the show will piss some people off...
I might spoil a little as to what to expect for season 2, so saying.
It's only 1 seasons, and the "dark stuff" didn't happen yet is the series, I watch the game plot (well, a good part of it, didn't finished it yet) to see how the anime dealed with the probleme of turning hours and hours and game content into a anime. And from what I've seen, seasons 1 was just explaining stuff, and with the ending, we will soon see the real dark plot develop. I've.. already spoiled myself in every way possible, so I know how it will end, but still, can't wait for this sweet drama.
The grim dark of Madoka magica is a reason I love now this show don't have it but i still gonna watch it but for testing.
I think it's just shocking to viewers because of all the properties released in the Madoka Magica franchise and yes I'm counting all the other mangas and video games. Magia Record is the only one that's not a tragedy, so it seems weird to people who know the pre existing stories. I read The Different Story, Wraith Arc, saw the video games, Oriko Magica, Kazumi Magica etc. and unlike all the other spin-offs Magia Record is the only one without the grimdark nature.
@mahoushoujo maisoon I don't think most dark magical girl animes are Madoka knock offs. Some of them are but many try to do their own thing. Most dark magical girl animes aren't given enough of a chance like my Magical Girl Raising Project.
I mean, Kazumi wasn't a tragedy--it was close but not one.
In terms of 'dark', I'd say it goes
Kazumi and MagiReco -> Tart -> Oriko -> Different Story and Suzune -> Main show
It still is dark but maybe writing suffers. New season is supposedly darker. Also the original was hopeful until rebellion if people remember. And now we also have a sequel to rebellion. It could also be the fact that the show deals with different themes. Also doppels and the girls deal with depression for a much longer and even perhaps chronic time with potential side effects. It would be cool if we could get an episode on the desert witch magical girl since her backstory is one of the saddest as I recall
Has anyone seen episode 13 yet? That is dark af.
Magia record has really interesting plot points to the madoka series, I've seen all of season 1 and I know there will be a season 2. It's hard to know a lot of the stuff about this spin off, like why have witches returned in general, what timeline are we in, is madoka still god? Has rebellion story taken place yet, in the intro you see both madoka and homura are they going to show up in the anime. Ik like 1 answer to one of these questions because of some mobile game stuff I watched.
Spoilers:
We're in the third timeline Homura visited... well, not exactly.
Magia Record takes place in an alternate timeline where Homura had just found out Magical Girls turn into Witches, but rather than tell the others the truth, she doubted herself, fearing they might not believe her. As a result, she never told the truth to the others and thus, Sayaka didn't distrust her, did not become a Witch, did not indirectly cause Kyoko and Mami to die upon learning the truth, did not even reach Walpurgisnacht yet, leaving Madoka hopeful enough and never quite reaching the point where she gets rid of her glasses and obsesses over saving Madoka.
Madoka is still a god, because the anime's event still happened, and Ultimate Madoka is in the multiverse. However, she and Magia Record Madoka are different, because MR Madoka never was erased from reality. Ultimate Madoka reveals in-game that the MR timeline is an anomaly and that she can't try doing anything to it without destroying it, hence why Madoka still exists there and so do Witches.
And we have no idea if the Rebellion events happened because Magia Record is in a timeline excluded from the rest of the multiverse. Homura is still moe and Madoka is still a Magical Girl because Ultimate Madoka's wish never affected their universe and Homura didn't spill the beans yet. So even if Rebellion happened, we'd have two Madokas and two Homuras.
@Katie Lewis We have no idea how she'd react. She could have a positive or negative reaction, or be indifferent. Still, a timeline where she's still her insecure and nerdy self yet still managed to protect Madoka is something.
Kind of a shame that the anime ultimately doubles down on the grimdark of the imitators.
Tbh, I find Magireco to have one high stake that Madoka Magica didn't... at least for long.
Some of our main casts are PAINFULLY aware of Witchification. They're aware of what their fate is going to be (because Doppels are not well known about or understood, so whose to say that it couldn't co-exist with becoming a Witch eventually?) and that is ALWAYS hanging over their heads the entire time.
True, the girls in the original anime too became aware of the fate of all Magical Girls, but only late in the series. Only Homura knew from Episode One and she wasn't telling anyone because she knew they'd not believe her, so she focused all the time on Madoka with that hanging over her head the entire series.
WHAT? There are people who hate PreCure??? Well, the writing in some of the seasons are sloppy, some of the seasons are kinda boring or repetitive, but to hate on PreCure? I'm curious about why it gets hate. I've heard that people dislike it for its childish themes (lmao it's a franchise aimed for kids) but other than that I don't get why it gets hate.
PreCure isn't only about childish stuff because they have dark and heavy undertones in the series as well. The franchise teaches simples lessons that are great for kids to learn from, such as learning from your mistakes. I recommend Heartcatch, Princess, Hugtto, Healing Good, Smile, and Fresh Precure. They're my absolute favorite seasons. Also, PreCure has some of the best fight scenes magical girl shows could possibly offer (it depends on each season though). They're not action-packed like Madoka Magica since the fights in PreCure rely heavily on toys like Sailor Moon kinda did (because Precure is an anime aimed for kids lol).
ur questions from 1:23 ~ 1:36 , except doppel, all goes unanswered n the anime end at a massive cliffhanger...
Most of the "Madoka Clones" are also very hopeful, sometimes more so then Madoka was not less, I'd strongly say that about both Yuki Yuna and Daybreak Illusion.
Magia Record season 1 was okay, but the best Madoka EU projects are still the Different Story Manga and Tart. I'll be watching season 2 when the Dub starts, I don't get what's taking them so long.
PMMM:I have better grimdark than you.
MGS:No I have better grimdark than you.
Warhammer 40k:Amateurs.
PMMM&MGS:What was that punk!?
Warhamner 40k:I say...AMATEURS!
The only way I could understand the "not dark enough" critique is that I feel like they could've paced the series a lot better. The original series did an absolutely perfect job in pacing its story so that it always felt like you were moving forward in the story, but still had no idea what was gonna happen next.
I would be lying if I said there weren't a few times during Magica Record where I said to myself, "can we please move on now?" I'm usually not the type of person to complain about filler, or fan service for that matter. But there were a few times where it felt they just needed to pad time, and when they didn't know what to do they just said "Hey look it's a witch from the og series! Isn't that cool to see them again?!"
Precure also got gutted by the censors when it was dubbed.
It’s the Madoka magica slightly less dark split timeline
To me it's not about the lack of edginess. I do understand the type of people your referring to doe, but I just don't think that's the case... That's not why people consider magia record weak. Madoka magica was never bloody or that edgy in the first place since every death scene was utterly necessary for the plot, it wasn't just for shock value or the instant gratification. Madoka magica was a deep psychological thriller mascaraded as a magical girl show with existentialist themes and philosophical intent. Plus it had a lot of symbolism and the story itself was utterly allegoric... it explored the ideological principles of each magical girl and how each would react to such extreme responsibilities. It plays with duality, what's considered moral or immoral and the religious vs Nietzsche ideological undertones make it that much of a masterpiece. On the other hand, Magia record has a weak plot with almost a monster of the day kinda of deal (most episodes are about rumours that don't add anything to the plot) . I still enjoyed it out of nostalgia and I love the game but magia record the anime is incredibly subpar to anything ever done by the franchise. Also I don't agree that the artstyle and aesthetics are the same. the original and the game is a lot more grim and surreal. It has a Alice in the wonderland/Tim Burton (but way better) kind of vibes that got me into the series in the first place. Magia record the show looks like much more sophisticated and not in a good way... In a bland and unimaginative/uninspiring kind of way.
I loved it. Then again, I am a big Madoka fangirl. And Iroha is my best magical girl.
Also, i still think that the best of the "dark magical girl shows" to come out AFTER Madoka is Yuki Yuna is a Hero.
Mainly because it knew how far to go without turning off the audience.
I agree with a lot of what you said here, I really enjoyed Magia Record and while it wasn't as good as the original series, I'd say that if Madoka Magica were a 9/10 anime, then Magia Record would at least be a 7/10
5:25 what anime is this please? I love those eyes.
Magical Girl Raising Project.
@@SecretIdentityStudio
thank you so much. 😊
@@marcshimpar7645 It doesn't but that's not why it's worth watching. It's worth watching for the gore, the blood, the killing game. Once you think of it as the hunger games it becomes better. Sure the character development is almost nothing but I enjoyed the action.
I take magic record as more of a mystery show and in that regard this show is amazing
The problem with other dark magical shows for me is that they’re too focused on gore and violence and being an edgefest. Madoka has all that but the underlying message to keep hoping. It’s literally the only reason homura keeps up that vicious cycle because she has hope eventually she can stop it
I don't get it when this anime ends it shows that iroha tamaki falls into a pit but in game she alive with yachiyo and sayaka help them with throwing smoke grenade to escape from God Mami.
Can someone explain to me which ending is real or fake?
They're both real, just different continuities. Events happen differently, because Madoka and Homura aren't with Sayaka to help save Mami, so without their help, Sayaka is forced to retreat and Iroha gets kidnapped.
Spoilers:
Later in the game, Iroha does get kidnapped, but not as early as the anime.
In the grimdark future, there is only magical girls. :P
I consider all those edgy magic girl anime (like m s site, m s spec ops azuka, etc) wannabe Madoka, because they don't get Madoka, hope is always present in Madoka, even the Homusifer thing ends with a whit of hope of Madoka saving, somehow, Homura.
Madoka has never been dark for the sake of being dark, but for a well thought plot about the nature of wishes and selfishness. The other series are dark because it makes for a great selling point.
I'm thinking now that Shaft and Inu Curry have received feedback for this anime and it showed that the Madoka Magica fandom prefers darker material, I think they might change the material from the game and make the second season a lot darker.
Girl you are so right! The Madoka Magica fandom (specifilly english fandom) don't like anything new of Madoka besides de OG series and that's pretty toxic. Tbh I loved both Rebellion movie and Magia Record stories and I'm invested even further on the franchise at difference of those that remained only in the 2011 anime and in the movie. The good side is that the japanese fandom still loves the franchise. I mean for something this anime was one of the most watched and liked anime in the Spring Season animes.
Who said madoka lite? Honey I see how x blow the arm of x with the breaking bones and blood sounds like WHAT?
Although I would definitely say that this series was lighter and softer than the original, I wouldn't say that the latter was grimdark either. If you want grimdark, try Magical girl Site.
People forgot that using doppel can actually temporary or permanent damage to your body
Fgo is awesome you should totally play it
I feel like we just.. didn’t get enough stakes from the Magius.
What they are doing is HUGE and is scarier than the stakes of the first series. Luckily Alina was handled.. fairly well.. to show the Magius are no joke. This is the woman who found her final piece of art should be her dead, cold body after all.
But no- because shaft is shaft we get no fights with the feathers at all. Whom can easily overwhelm the Kamihama gals in number amounts. And for some reason Uwasa battles are toned down and treated as jokes (cough cough owl water cough). Iroha was only doppeling at the Shrine because it showed the mechanic, yet Yachiyo advises to NEVER use it again for it could be dangerous. Mami ended up seeing Iroha has a witch in disguise.
Oh and Mitama is fucking useless and is not established at all. When she becomes VERY vital later on- arc 2 of the game introduces more of her kind!
What’s weirdest is Holy Mami did actually doppel. But for SOME REASON it’s behind her back hidden away. The ribbons are Candeloro. And Holy Candeloro shoots.. basically a trio finalie. What.
Jena is my favorite meguca
This aged like milk lol
I really wish the Madoka spinoffs(Different Story, Tamura, Oriko, Kazumi, Suzune and Tart) had gotten animated sooner cause while I love MR, its anime doesn't do it justice. I also wished MR was more FGO like with its crossover qualities(I just want my baby girl Yuma to be relevant kay?)
Well, ur in luck. Magia Record (the mobile game) has shut down.
And I still love Magia Record. And u have to be patient with this series. We get the darker stuff towards the end of this first season, where Iroha, Tsuruno, Felicia, Sana, and Rena all learn the truth.
Sadly it doubled down even harder than madoka on the grimdark in season 3
Going off of what you said in this video; unpopular opinion: I don’t really mind the skimpy Magical Girl outfits, or any of the outfits for the matter really.
Yes, i will admit, I’m a bit uncomfortable with the fact that underage girls, who are around my age, are wearing panty-like shorts, short tops, and clothes that just expose a lot of skin, and I can DEFINITELY see why people would be uncomfortable with the fact that most of the girls in there Transformations in the game are naked but for some reason I’m not bothered by it. Plus, neither am I really bothered by how big Mami’s, or the other girls’, chests are. Maybe it’s just because I’m desensitized to that stuff now or I just really do not care. I don’t know...
I disagree on the wish part of this video.
Madoka's real wish wasn't just saving a cat, her whole deal when she's presented to us is that she's a ditzy, insecure girl who feels useless. She's happy just becoming a magical girl and being able to help people, but Kyubey denies her that cause that's not how contracts work.
So she'd be cool with just wishing whatever and getting her cute magical girl outfit.
Mami, is the first one to tell her that she should think really hard about her wish or she'll end up regretting it. Her wish being surviving the car crash that would've claimed her life.
Then, when Mami dies, Homura tries to stop Madoka from making a wish for obvious reasons, aka her death, Walpurgis yada, yada.
This is also counter-balanced by her final wish which is not mundane at all.
You didn't actually address Sayaka's wish in the video at all, which was to heal the boy she had crush on.
The wish itself wasn't the strongest part of Sayaka's whole story arc though, it was the love triangle, the relationships she had with her friend and the boy she loves and realizing she wasn't just saving good people from the witches but also undeserving a-holes. Making her wish feel completely useless, cause not only she couldn't express her feeling for the boy she liked, but was wasting her life away for people that didn't deserve anything.
Kyokos whole wish was that her family was poor and nobody listened to her father's religious nonsense, so she made it so people would listen to him.
But her father didn't approve when he found out, snapped and killed the rest of the family and himself.
But regardless of the wishes, each character in the original show has a reason to exist and bounce off of each other nicely, even if things end up in death.
Madoka herself having very different relationship with each girl, Sayaka and Kyoko clearly being made to counter each other, Mami and Homura and so on.
In Magia Record you don't get enough time with any character, they get their sorta introductory episode but nothing get really developed enough. After that, some of them just disappear at some point and don't figure in the story until the very final episode of S1, where they do almost jack.
This is because Magia Record has too many characters and too little time in its first season to be able to address everything, so it gets sloppy.
The first show only really had the five girls as main protagonists, and none of them had to fight for screen time. This is further helped by the fact that they're all recurring characters in Homura's time-line events as well, tying everything together.
Also, the exposition in Record is very boring and poorly executed, besides being mostly information most fans already knew. The biggest offender being the scene in the museum, which is literally a quiz. This further rendered obnoxious by the scene after it where they're shown the memories of Mifuyu and Yachiyo's friends, which literally show the same things.
I could go on with what's wrong with the show, but I'm writing a novel at this point and there's no reason to do that.
People may be pointing at wrong things to hate on the show, but I don't think they're completely wrong in how they feel.
Which doesn't surprise me, considering it's an adaptation of a game and generally those are real sloppy imo.
Edit: Cause I remembered the cake idea from the time PMMM takes place wasn't Madoka's but a suggestion from Mami.
I do think there was another time line where Madoka did wish for cake but I don't remember tbh.
Madoka wish save cat actually based on Madoka fist timeline wish. Do research!
@@charlestonho6733 My point is that Madoka's real wish is nothing.
Saving the cat was just an excuse, cause Madoka only wanted to become a magical girl in the first place.
So if that meant saving a cat AND becoming a magical girl, it was fine by her. After all, she's a girl that wants to feel useful, so it's two birds with one stone.
That's literally the whole point of her character.
So no, re-watch the series before you tell people to "do their research", backaroo.
@@kutaoizumi4189 Its based on audio drama during 1st timeline where Homura ask what Madoka wish and she says save the cat. Do research!
@@charlestonho6733I know that, and again, it doesn't matter.
Cause every time Homura manages to have her not wish for something, Madoka wishes for something else later on. That's literally stated in the anime and even shown to you.
If Homura hadn't been there when Mami died, Madoka would've wished for something right there and there to fight Charlotte.
Use your brain for once.
Thanks.
I've read the different story what other manga should I get next?
It’s both
Yeah it is about hope. Madoka save magical girl. Homura save the universe
Magireco is fun bc you get a huge cast of magical girls interacting with one another in a city that, to the viewers and many of the characters, makes no damn sense. Even for those that do not know about witchhood. It's a different thing than the original, which was much more intimate (we only ever follow the holy quinteto around).
All of the girls have real life everyday struggles aside from magical ones, but it's the feeling of the world expanding and more character dynamics coming into play what I like in the story (I saw the anime and am playing the game up to chapter 4). That and that, if it makes any sense at the end, the many misteries of the city are interesting. And at least in the game Iroha is very pron to asking very good questions, so these misteries will not remain so for 6 seasons and a movie.
The anime does seem to be rushing through some things and fixing some others to better match its own medium and I like it for that. The pacing could be better, though. The animation is just excellent Shaft at work.
P. D. Rebellion's end is fine and arguably a better one for everyone involved (but Homu still doesn't love herself at all~).
I'd honestly say that RWBY is the closest show I've seen to Madoka Magica, and not just because they seem to hold the top spots for Anime (or Anime-like Show) with the Most Guns. This has just been reinforced in the more recent Volumes 6 and 7. There was a backstory episode in Volume 6 that gave eerie Madoka flashbacks.
P.S. As harsh as Madoka's Cinderella has been, RWBY's is a full blown villain. Tweedledee and Tweedledum are basically just equally useless in both worlds.
the anime original character didnt get enough screentime
I don't mind magia record the game but the anime adaptation leaves a lot out. mainly because as it's a game it's hard to convert the battles and also it's more story-heavy, with each character having side stories of their own. One thing that put me off was Kuroe. Not because she wasn't in the game story but because she was forgotten for the rest of the first season. I don't know if she'll come back with a bigger part but, it just felt like an added character with no much purpose. The doppels also look quite weird in the anime. Though some look pretty good like irohas some others feel out of place. I'm not too sure why, maybe it's their movement or because it just doesn't fit well.
Quick question: Which Magical Girl shows that are darker post Madoka are good, and which not so much? Asking for recommendations
It's prounounced the same way you say "Magic". With a J instead of a hard G.
Nope, it's pronounced with a hard g, the characters pronounce it that way
Regarding everyone in the mobage being in the gacha... there are dead characters from the backstory who are in the gacha. Alternate forms of characters that only existed at times when those characters were acting as antagonists are in the gacha. Jeanne d'Arc is in the gacha. Original anime timeline Homura is in the gacha even though glasses!Homura is a recurring character in the game's version of the story. Goddess Madoka is in the gacha, and no, I don't know how that's supposed to work. I'm not saying to expect a sudden increase in the death toll next season, I'm just saying the gacha and the plot don't care about each other.
Mitama, who *is* the gacha, is also in the gacha, which doesn't really have anything to do with my point but I think it's funny.
Cause it's a game
The gacha has nothing to do with the plot, it's a mechanic
What, a story which has characters angst about having their souls out of their bodies and deciding this makes happiness impossible without bothering to explore why that matters to them is grimdark? (There's a lot of dark stuff in Madoka, but that stands out to me as an example of _pointless_ darkness. Seriously, what does that "reveal" reveal? Maybe there was a point at some time, but it clearly got lost in editing.)
If you're referring Sayaka specifically, then this aspect is more of a cultural thing from what I understand.
It was basically explained to me this way; in western cultures with largely Judeo/Christian histories, seeing the soul and body as separate things is generally the norm. After all, in most religious or spiritual contexts, the soul and body are treated separately in wording and importance, and how the body doesn't matter and it's the soul that lives on without the body etc, etc. Even if a person themselves isn't religious, this is just kind of the cultural norm and accepted idea in media and such.
Now in contrast, many eastern philosophies/religions put more emphasis on harmony. What's important is the body and soul being in harmony, and a separation or disharmony of the body and soul is like a corruption/taboo/impurity/sin type of thing?
I'm not sure if my explanation is any good, and of course this is not my own firsthand knowledge so there may be more nuance to it or some aspects I don't fully understand. But the bottom line is that in this particular cultural setting, the separation of the body and soul is an inherently bad thing.
Of course this isn't explained in detail in the show because why would they waste time meticulously explaining the fine details of generations of cultural and religious background when those things would be just generally understood by individuals within that culture?
To frame it a different way; imagine a popular American tv drama where one of the main conflicts centered around a character's guilt for having cheated on their spouse, having committed the social taboo of cheating, as well as the religious sin of adultery. Even if you don't necessarily believe in those things yourself, in US culture, cheating in a relationship is generally seen as a "bad" thing, and the conflict would be more-or-less understood by most people.
Now imagine showing that to a culture where polygamy is the accepted norm instead, and people are just expected to have multiple partners at one time. They would probably be a little confused at first, and even after you explained it they may still see it as "silly" or "pointless" because of their own ingrained values. That may not be the greatest example but I hope it gets the point across.
So when Sayaka finds out her soul has been removed from her body, it causes her to see herself as "unclean" or "impure" as a result of her implicit cultural/religious values and leads her to develop of form of dysmorphia, similar to assault victims who feel their body has been violated or defiled.
What this episode/arc "reveals", at least for Sayaka specifically, are some of her values, as well as examining how different people have different reactions to traumatic events by contrasting Sayaka and Kyoko. Kyoko wasn't too bothered by this revelation after all, but her family was also implied to be from a Christian background, tying back into the cultural background point.
In fact that's a pretty integral point of the entire show; character examinations between five different characters who all have very different reaction to very similar circumstances. Where some are able to persevere or even rise above their circumstances, some are not and instead succumb to their despair. After all, that's what trauma does, it distorts one's perspective of the world. So at the risk of sounding hypocritical after just trying to justify Sayaka's perspective, I'll also point out at the same time that her actions are supposed to be seem unreasonable, as her worldview becomes more and more distorted.
So it's not "pointless darkness", but it does require more background knowledge, explanation, or research, and I don't blame anyone for not really getting it at first. Heck I didn't really get it either until someone gave me a bit more of an explanation. Again, sorry for forgetting the specifics but I think it had something to do with the culture and values of the Shinto religion.
Anyway, hope that helps a bit, I know it was a long one XD
@@brjoey Ah. Yeah, that does make more sense. There's probably some way the translators could hint at that with subtitle word choice focused less on literal accuracy and more on helping a Western audience grasp what's going on, but screw it, that's one of those no-right-answer situations.
The hope of the original was impactful because there was meaningful despair that tested that hope.
Also...
--Bloated cast with not enough buildup and individual focus to give reasons to care; characters are mostly one-note.
--Characters (especially old ones) feel like they're thrown in for fanservice, expecting you to have watched the original and played a mobile gatcha game to fully appreciate them making an appearance despite it being an alternate universe that should be able to stand through its own substance.
--Main character is simple yet it's not played off in an interesting way through the crossroads between a normal life and self-sacrifice and courage like with Madoka; only "growth" is her suddenly performing better in combat due to friendship which didn't even feel like a steady growth; she mostly wins through her no-immediate-consequence berserk button.
--Music is a good attempt at replicating the style of the original but tracks can sometimes be reused too many times.
--No real stakes and not much is learned throughout the runtime unlike the original where the viewer and characters learn together.
--Uninspired urban legends typical of anime with your whole "Did you hear about rumor?"; feels more like a typical anime girl show rather than a deconstruction with more tell than show; typical "church people bad and over-reliance on useful things can be destructive" plot.
In essence, I feel this anime is a lackluster advertisement of a mobile whose formula is derivative of a greedy and shallow industry while riding on the success of the original, with its only saving grace being its audiovisual flare and cute character designs. They did their best to adapt it in anime form, but if the foundation is flawed, no medium will save it.
Sorry, I can't take you seriously if you pronounce "magica" wrong lol.
I just dont really like the girls or care about their problems in all honestly.I dont know though maybe they get more interesting later.
The people who complain about Magia Record not being dark enough are the same who were expecting Rebellion to end all beautifully with Homura reuniting Madoka and spending eternity forever
Really? Uh, to me it would seem like the people who complain about Magia Record not being dark enough are the people who think that Rebellion was a good ending because it was dark and left things on a very ambiguous and kinda unhappy note. Feels like a bit of a contradiction that they would expect Magia Record to be darker when they expected Rebellion to be lighter.
Or was your idea that they got their expectations subverted/crushed with Rebellion, so they think that Magia Record needs to conform to Rebellion's feeling/ending?
@@jalarasstudios414 I'm saying that they say Magia Record doesn't feel "Madoka Enough" and most people who complain about Rebellion often say that they don't feel like it fits with Homura's character and would've preferred for it to just end with Madoka taking her. On twitter I've read a lot of people saying that Shaft should've left the shos on ep12 and stop "ruining it" with both Rebellion and Magireco. Both Rebellion and Magireco "haters" use the same arguments saying that they expected something like the og show (which imo is stupid, I mean Magireco is based off a Gachagame lol)
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER dont understand the whole story yet. i watched puella magi madoka magica on netflix end the ending is ( on netflix german voice, my english is not too good , so it was perfect ) but its a confusing end and its not really one, then the movie rebellion made clear that marukas wish is the reason for this strange world in rebellion and the end i love it but again what is with homura is she ok, i mean it was good to break out its a fake world, so i understand that she want to fight its just normal, compared to her dumb ( sry but its ) choice to repeat the time over and over again instead of accept her faith and i think it where better she could not go back to restart,it where sad but all magic girls before change to a witch and one day its over, like our lives its good we can*t change this, and for me i believe with 60 or older we get more and more tired and ya i believe in a paradise, this world is wonderful sometimes but cruel at the same time. i am watching magia record and its more hopefull ( just start to watch ) but it begins with a good option to end the contract and save yourself.
then but why did sayaka, etc from the first anime are in this universe? After the movie the end was confusong and sayaka is there, i think mich more homura and maruka did create this universe, i think because homura did destroy the old rules with acting so that all kiubeys are annihilated so they did Change the rules and magi record is the result a world without incubators, so that they Find a Way to e0ä⁹⁸scape from the destiny to Turn in to a witch isi possible more( its just a theory but i think they could be revive, most sayaka ans she is ( was dead) bu1q1qt what if she is now alive, then THIS wqorld is not Like the old one. so the past is different too, maybe sayaka was never loose hooè
@Katie Lewis what if the past is different because of marukas wish, ( its not that this is sure) but it could be
@Katie Lewis okay, where can you get the mobile game , is it available for nintendo switch. and. what about the anime? Magia record had sayaka , mami and other characters from the manga/anime showing up why are they there when the Hand zheg
sry when magia record is destroying the storyline
@Katie Lewis i was asking around its not they fight walpurgis and alternative universes are not even confirmed its normally only one universe who is actually exist its not Like Rick and morty
My issue with Magia Record, is that the plot and the characters are too slow like I literally don't care tsuruno or Sana, and Felicia is meh
magia record is good, just not madoka good
I'm sorry. I just didn't like this show. My problem wasn't that it wasn't dark, it's just that the characters were so bland. None were unique and I only really liked 3. Plus the returning characters just feel like fanservice.
it's not madoka. it's garbage and fanservice for pedophiles. why so many useless characters. they all feel 1 dimensional. the power rules don't make any sense there. it ruined madoka.
some shots/perspectives towards the end of the series were.... questionable
For Pedophiles? Really?
If you see it that way the one with a twisted mind is you