Leviathan ecology : Gobul and Nibelsnarf in Monster Hunter
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- The two megamouths may seem fairly similar on the outside, but with one swimming in sand and the other water they have numerous differences to be compared that spill into the rest of their ecology. So let's take a look at Gobul and Nibelsnarf.
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God damn I got confused thinking of TWO different series with the first two things I read.
1. The video title is "Leviathan ecology" so I thought of Subnautica
2. Your (top) comment has UHC in it, which is a Minecraft minigame
Nibelsnarf has always been one of the best monster names. Sounds like a boogeyman name hunters use to scare kids into behaving.
I always thought the two were meant to sound like different ways of eating. Nibble and gobble
@@unnaturalhistorychannel Their names also sound like segues into a Deez Nuts joke.
@@unnaturalhistorychannelNibelsnarf has two puns, nibble and snarf are both different ways of saying “ to eat”
I can't hear the word nibblesnarf without crackin' up!
@@TsulaAngenati2292 GG You made it sounds like a Pokemon now
I like to think that Gobul are like eels, we didnt know where eels came from for the longest time because they dont develop sexual organs until they are pretty big and they travel long distances to a seemingly random part of the ocean to breed. For a while we didnt even know different life stages of eels were the same species.
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Something not talked about in the video is Gobul's neurotoxin spikes on the tail, used as a form of defense. From memory it only used the tail swipe on land, as the tail is only mobile on the horizontal axis, and cannot be used as a stingray dart underwater (vertical motion).
Playing 3u right now, it does in fact use the swipe underwatter, but it moves horizontal as normal and is incredibly rarely used. Maybe every 3 fights you get to see it.
if you're not seeing that attack, it could easily be do to positioning and luck. moves sets often have a couple options at most angles in general but underwater is in 3 dimensions so there are more variables in pairing a move with targeting behavior of the AI.
Gobul was my favorite fight back in Tri, but mainly because the broken Pecos Hammer explosion would repeatedly launch it into the sky without fail. It’s attacks were always creative and fun to watch. I feel like I might be one of few people just loved the fight. I hope Gobul and underwater combat return someday. Nibelsnarf is good but fairly sluggish and predictable by comparison.
You were not the only one who like d fighting that monster. I liked it for similar reasons, too.
i really hope underwater combat comes back, hopefully with a beautiful 5th gen style overhaul. they've made it clear, in interviews during MHW's news cycle, that they want to give underwater combat another try. it was originally an idea for MHW, they bring up the wildspire wastes in that interview and there's the lagiacrus demo footage that may have been a map with it in mind but that was probably the stage where it was cut but lagi wasn't yet. my theory is that 7th gen will give it a try, my reasoning is that odd gens seams to be the times for bigger risks like 3rd's first attempt at underwater combat and MHW's reworks/open maps. 2nd and 4th gen did add weapons but those are move sets for a player, not entire game altering mechanics. 6th gen will likely be a time to look at what 5th gen did well and expand on it; more map interactions, more skeletons being brought into 5th gen's engine, more of the unique turf war animations while making the AI behave like MHW post turf war, and so on. it'll be interesting what they'll do with some weapons like HH which was so different between both 5th gen games, please let IG keep powder vortex, sure make its damage between the Rise update 5's nuke rampage deco and normal but let it behave like MHW where monsters can't break them to ruin powder vortex. another option for IG is just admitting it's mid air short range bow already and letting the 2 be closer in damage since mid range and mid air darting around with stamina management are the same almost and arguably you have to be more careful with where you land with IG anyway, while bow is always further away so attacks take longer to reach you.
I did enjoy it too, really hope for underwater combat in mh6 .
They could create so much more cool water based creatures
I'm so used to calling Nibelsnarf nibble-snarf that when you started calling it Nybil-snarf I was confused on what you were talking about for a second 😅
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I've been excited for this one! Still only halfway through. But I can't help but say 2 things. You were smart to talk about the myth at the start about gobul adults. While I know you are right. I still want to believe otherwise. The reason is cause flounders have this in real life. A single species of flounder can be found in multiple different locations in the world but grow different depending on their location. And the difference is massive. From something the size of a bluegill, so hand sized. To the size of a person. I always figured that's where the mh team got the idea. Secondly, you call them large mouth leviathans. I always saw them as flat bellied leviathans. Not that it means anything. But it's just fun to say. Love the vids and keep them up!! They literally make my day every time they come out! ❤❤
I did initially want to write something similar, but I think Gobul is much more limited by prey and how far they're willing to dive. Jungle rivers like the congo can be 2000m deep, but if the epioth etc aren't going down there (and they don't seem to be deep divers) there's not much reason for gobul to do so as far as we know.
@unnaturalhistorychannel ya, I think you are right. I guess I believed it cause it just sounded fun. Mh design is fun cause of the outlandish becoming grounded. The more far out the idea successfully done is some of the best designs. Gore is a prime example here. I would still like this myth to become true one day, though. For the sole reason of entertaining the community and having a fun lore challenge!!
Edit: oh!! It would also conform that the flood forest is connected to the ocean, explaining lagi and ludroth being there. Not that they themselves don't conform that.
@@unnaturalhistorychannelSomething in gameplay but never actually stated is that Royal Ludroth used to attack Gobul when in the same area. To the point of outright ignoring the hunter, he likely does this to protect his females and offspring from attack.
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I really like the idea of the gobul having bioluminescent symbiont lures like real anglerfish--a fun fact I just learned today!
Two great monsters that deserve more love. Nibelsnarf in particular is one of my favorites. Aside from the comical name the design is one that i think of regularly and even though I have only a handful of hours with it compared to other monsters it has a lasting impression
I wonder if Gobul and Nibelsnarf are some of the most basal leviathans. They might show how leviathans branched off from piscine wyverns.
Maybe the first leviathan was a piscine wyvern that waited in shallow banks to overcome the low tide and eat anything that got caught into them before evolving to traverse the land with modified limbs that would later become fins?
I picture Ludroth withouth the mane are prolly close to what the common leviathan ancestor was
Then either the Mizu/Lagi families or the Megamounths split then the Ludroth/Lagi and Mizu/Almudron family split from each other
@@rac1equalsbestgame853 That’s also a good one. Ludroth I do think is where the general more common leviathan body plan comes from
The reason I went with the Megamouth leviathans as the basal choice is because they look the most primitive and they look like they are fish that just crawled out of the sea
Yours is still a likely choice as well
While they may appear primitive I feel like they may actually be a case of being hyper specialized to their particular way of life and by extension more derived than other Leviathans. I imagine species such as Ludroth or Lagiacrus might be better representatives of “primitive” leviathans.
@@TsulaAngenati2292 I feel they might be a case of hyperspecialization to likely ancestrally burrowing like Niblesnarf and since burrowers tend to be good swimmers, the ancestors of Gobul got even more hyperspecialized into the muds of bracky water.
Their low intelligence might come from if you spend most of your life waiting for something to pass by and snap at it energy conservation is key, especially for Gobul who also has to hold his breath for at least hours at a time. And when it comes to sedentary lifestyles like that the brain consumes a lot of energy and oxigen and you're barely using it anyways so shrink it
@@Nrex117 While that may be true I still think the megamouths are the closest relatives/most similar to whatever the Tiktaalik equivalent is to the leviathans given physical and behavioral similarities you’d expect from one
gobul is my absolute most favorite monster in the ENTIRE series, such a cool design and armor set, and I love the fight.
I remember watching game play vids of tri years ago, and seeing the gobul always blew my mind.
I find it interesting how Nibelsnarf (NIBBLE, not "nye-bul") does start out life in the water as a juvenile and uses its gills as actual gills. Given how its bottom colourization is apparently meant to act as a warning to predators, it could be that this is a warning early in its life in the desert oases but is retained even into adulthood despite there being few true predators of Nibelsnarf by that point.
Where was the part about them starting life in water said?
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Goddamn I love Gobul, definitely one of those better commonly overlooked monsters.
UHC, additionally i have to say i love your videos especially on THESE types of monsters. You know what i mean, the monsters that are often overlooked with subpar fights like these two, but with cool ecology. These midgame monsters have always been my favourite, instead of the usual cast near the end, the realism is just brilliant on these types of monsters so its cool to see you cover them, kecha wacha is another monster that fills this role, even though he isnt midgame, so id love to see you cover him at some point too!
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I really liked the formatting on this one where it kept alternating between the two! Hope you do this for other bundled videos going forwards as the "heres 1 and then another" is IMO much less entertaining.
I love that at 7:48 when editing you realised you said shark instead of crocodile and put "wait" in the corner that made me laugh so hard
No...the wait was for the "swapping sand for water" part. It was supposed to be the other way around, "swapping water for sand".
He was saying think of them as crocodiles rather than sharks. "In a sense it may be better to think of Nibelsnarf as a crocodile...than a shark of the desert".
Love this channel. I can never get enough of these monster break downs
Another lovely video
With how fleshed out the leviathan family tree is, I can already picture a family tree of a ludroth like minus the mand common ancestor, a split into the more serpentine Ludroth amd Lagi and more mammal esque Mizu and Almudron and the megamouths splitting before the more serpentine and mammal like ones
i do hope monster hunter 6 is on the horizon, as for on topic, I always liked Nibbelsnarf and Gobul because of the fact I started with third gen and it feels like theres a distinct lack of overly fish inspired monsters outside of Plesioth and its kin, I also liked the overly military aesthetic of Nibbelsnarf's gear to the point that its hammer is a giant frag grenade on a stick
Nibelsnarf's weapons are great.
I'm very partial to the Hunting Horn and the lance, which are a harmonica and a landmine-shield/rocket-propelled-grenade combo, respectively.
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I was just thinking how much I wanted this video, thanks so much for making it!
Gobul was the first monster from monster hunter I ever saw and is what introduced me to the series. Phat Fish Boi has a special place in my heart forever and always
I love how every monster is someone's favorite.
I wouldn’t say I was a HUGE fan of the Gobul in Tri, but I DID grind it out enough to get the maxed HR Gobul set to use on Alatreon.
I also really liked its design. The only downside was I didn’t like how clunky the underwater controls seemed
Nibelsnarf's head reminds me of Gerrothorax, the Triassic amphibian that has a mouth which opens & closes like a toilet seat.
Nibelsnarf is one of those monsters that nobody ever talks about which is odd considering i love it like i love its consept its design and its fight... Like yea yea you get 95% percent of monsters that are just a back and forth dance and theres nothing wrong with that i love the good old dodge and attack a lot but we have a lack of really unique boys like niblesnarf... Bomb fishing is the best and most fun gimmick in the history of mh as well as his weird moveset that sometimes really doesn't leave room to attack and to top it off its a fight that relies on your preparation which is something i always like in mh
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I seriously don’t think the bigmouth levyathans are levyathans at all, thay look more like weird early tetrapod analogs, gobul has way too many vestigial fingers similar to basal stegocephalians instead of the standard four or five standard to most derived tetrapods in MH, as well as both nibble and gobul having straight necks, in our world, all derived tetrapods have S shaped necks even though some species have to short necks for this to be clearly seen, but amphibians and fish have straight necks, and it seems that that is also the case with the rigid hunched backs and masive heads of most amphibians in monster hunter, i would argue that the gulper levyathsns are actualy the equivalent of basal stegocephalians like ichthyostega and acanthostega in monster hunter, being relics from when the ancestors of the 4 limbed animals first came to land
I'm making a headcanon now that Gobul won't appear in any more MH games because they've been hunted to extinction for their delicious meat
Just too bussin
@@unnaturalhistorychannelFor some reason your comment auto-translates to "just took the bus".
Yeah, the bus to the eatery for some of that Gobul-a-la-Cooked
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Hell yeah another one. This is gonna be good
I still think Gobul should be a piscine wyvern, and that will remain my head canon lol
I never understood why it and Nibelsnarf are classified as Leviathans, Gobul doesn't look like a reptile in the slightest, and Nibelsnarf isn't much better in that regard.
@@joshuasgameplays9850 I can see Nibelsnarf being an Amphibian, like Zamtrios. But Gobul is more of a fish than Plesioth lol
Niblesnarf finally!!! It's my absolute favorite monster! Excellent video
Thank you for the video, it is as good as the other if not better
Now i can imagine a Nibelsnarf mating dance with the Prehistoric Planet carnotaurus song
Any day UHC drops a new vid is a glorious day!
I forget if it says it anywhere in-game, but using frogs to fish out Gobul for an easy land phase was definitely a thing in Tri and I would've loved to see it explored here. As always, love the video and can't wait for the next one!
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Really interesting discussion on these two, always been a big sucker for them and hope that they return one day. A small detail I always sort of head cannoned with Nibbelsnarf's eye placement is that it's top of it's head is to detect potential aerial predators while relying mostly on detecting vibrations when searching for prey.
One thing I'm curious about your thoughts on is how a lot of people tend to consider Nibbelsnarf an amphibian as opposed to a derived reptile and similarly for Gobul to also be an amphibian or even a fish.
I've never noticed Nibelsnarf's eyes until this video.
I'd looooove to have some sort of official content on the culinary history of the monster hunter universe. We know food and feasting is a massive part of hunting culture, so seeing things like regional delicacies, different cuts of monsters, frequent dishes and how they arose etc etc would be fascinating, at least to me.
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Excellent vid, now I hope to encounter one or both of these bois in future releases!
And also: isn't every hunt a game of wack-a-mole when you play hammer?
Fighting nibelsnarf with hammer only, the way god intended
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another excellent video
I only remember the gobbli cuz of the one quest from mh3 and I somehow sofflocked myself by quitting the guest.
oh hell yeah, i'd have loved a coral highlands cave gobul. especially if it had some agnaktor elements of it hiding in the sealing or walls to pop out. in the lagiacrus demo, there was a fair bit of low light areas being shown off so having more of that on multiple maps with different ambush predictors would have been so cool. one of my biggest hopes for MH6 would be it staying in the new world, or somehow having both new and old but the new world still has another half of it that's unexplored. in an interview, back in MHW's later news cycle, a question was asked about the discrepancies between the in game world map, that shows where locations are relative to each other, and the map in your third/final base game hunter quarters. they answered that the map in game is only half of the new world so there is plenty of room for more amazingly unique maps with MHW's very cool designs. thse could also use elements from the lagi demo, not even using the unseen parts of the continent because there's a section north of the anceint forest that looks like deeper woods and rivers.
We'll find out more about mh6 later this month
@@sonicplague3643 yeah, i've been in eager anticipation for a while now. speculating is also fun in the stage where we know nothing.
this is amazing! i did a deep dive on nibelsnarf a few weels ago ill post my summary below to see what you guys think!
one of my favourite monsters from the third generation of monster Hunter. I think the ecology of this monster is very interesting as it has no real analogue in the real world. One of the most interesting parts of 'snarf that I don't see people discussing is the fact that Nibelsnarf is not a subterranean monster, it doesn't dig under the ground and live in underground burrows, it simply seems to travel along the loose top soil substrate of the dunes.
This is very interesting as it affects Nibelsnarfs wider ecology. Some evidence for this is when Nibelsnarf is on low health, instead of burrowing straight under ground like Diablos or duramboros, snarf heaves itself along the sandy plains to get to the underground canyons it hides in when in danger or during the heat of the day. Also It's limbs are actually quite poorly adapted for digging heavy compacted substrate, such as that found deep underground, therefore we can conclude Nibelsnarf instead burrows into the loose topsoil probably not often digging much deeper than 10 metres underground. So how does this affect its ecology? Well this is actually beneficial to Nibelsnarf as it means it will likely come into less contact with the many subterranean monsters of the deserts of the old world. One monster is Diablos, which, if Nibelsnarf dug deeper, may be a danger to Nibelsnarf as it is highly territorial, especially of its deep burrows. So there you go that may be something new you didn't know about the land whale! What do you like about nibelsnarfs design and ecology? Happy hunting!
Im sure a lot of this is disproved after this video, but i tried, also i found out about the sand boa after this, and i talked about it on my discord, but i cant be bothered to post the thread.
Another great vid! Personally I quite like Gobul though I've never gotten to hunt it. As far as Nibelsnarf, it made me change my mind about trying GenU, so there's that. Also, I guess I missed something, what's happening in two weeks?
I feel like Malfestio would be a very interesting monster to look into or Magnamalo but that’s more wishful thinking
He's already mentioned Magnamalo at the very least in a previous video. IIRC the opinion was that its not a strong design, too impractical but specifics escape me.
I think he commented on Malfestio in the Seregios video, saying that the manner in which Seregios uses its talons makes it appear more convincingly owl-like than Malfestio, who more closely resembles an owl visually.
Bringing them up as an example or for comparison sake it’s the same as an in-depth analysis
I love me some weird divvied fish monsters, another fascinating dive into monster ecology!
When you mentioned Nibelsnarf being more sedentary, I figured it makes sense since they also in hunts make dupe versions of itself made of sand-no clue if this helps it just being a laz animal but it would definitely make it harder to identify for normal wildlife.
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Thematically Gobul is one of my favorite monsters. The design is fantastic and it perfectly fits the Flooded forest and it’s battle theme. Nibel would be way better if it wasn’t so gimicky. You could also argue Nibels hearing isn’t as accuratre as it’s immune to sonic bombs.
I think a mudskipper monster like this could be cool like mix a mudskipper and a gulper eel big mouth with strong fins that can propel itself forward at high speeds and bite you.
If they ever bring back underwater combat, they totally need to make a Rajang-like Orca monster.
7th comment! I really like these videos, they help me look at monster hunter at so many angles, wow..
I hope at least one of them gets a chance in MH6. It's been so long since I hunted them.
On the subject of armor, Gobul’s armor is easily the best to use when fighting the legendary Ceadeus as it gives a good bonus to eating skills and more importantly, greatly increases swimming speed. This makes it almost a necessity when fighting the big whale boi
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The use of Nibel’s attack from the generations end credits is hilarious
It is unknown if there is more abundant resources in the deep MH sea, but it is entirely possible that the Adult Ghobul myth isn't myth. Given how Nakarkos is a cephalopod, a deep-sea Ghobul could predate upon the squid lings, or even Ceadeus calfs. Lagiacrus could even hunt younger Ghobul in shallow or deeper water.
Nibble does eat very similarly to Tuna, and the gills that Nibble have could support the Ocean Desert hypothesis
....and those points have been brought up already.....
I actually liked Gobul. The armor was cool. The weapons were cool, a relatively easy set of paralysis weapons to get in Tri. A fun fight. One of the very few fun things about water combat. The tail was a bitch to cut off though. I liked Nibelsnarf too with it's military-themed weapons and gear, but I kind of got tired of him after like 3 games with him.
These giant Jaws gotta be huge deterrents for other predators shouldn't they?
A nibelsnarf could easily fit in the head of a deviljho or glavenus into their own maw for example.
I'm now imagining a tigrex panicking like a cat with there head stuck in a cup
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If you’re interested in another Spec Evo Short, would you mind tackling terrestrial cephalopods? They’re an interesting possibility with several massive hurdles that have prevented it so far. I’d like to see your solution to the issues of sodium pumps and the whole thing with their RNA…
A good idea! As you say it may be too hard to get over with I can note it down to look into.
When I first played Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate, and I read the name Nibelsnarf, I couldn't help laughing out loud. Doesn't take away from how tough it is, but still a name that makes me chuckle.
20:57 Now i can't not imagine him doing a "Praise the Sun" pose
I call the big one *BITEY!*
I've actually just started playing 3U so I'm really eager to meet these guys. Do you think a Manta sleep mask will protect me from Gobul's lure?
Also Andanglers from the Coral Highlands are baby Gobul, try changing my mind :P
An interesting fact about them is that beside their jaws, their stance is apparently also an important aspect of their physiology. So much so that they're both in the "Bottom Feet Wyvern" Suborder within the Leviathan Order.
The idea of my Barroth being attacked by... *Nibelsnarf...*
Bloody Hell. Now I wanna trample it.
I like how the names are just synonyms for eating something. I just find that cute.
oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh boi here we go learning about ecology again.
Imagine a guitarfish inspired megamouth leviathain with thunder abilities and naturally a sick electric guitar hunting horn
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Nibelsnarf was me and my friend’s favorite monster to fight, forcing him to “take his pills” and watching him explode was so much fun
Gobul used to scare when i first started the series back in tri because i used to have a big fear of angler fish due to their alien appearance but now i just think its a good monster design for being very unique
Yeah I’ll stop studying for my university ecology course to watch this
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Capcom should have made the Nibelsnarf blind and hunt via sound similar to the graboids from Tremors.
I love how you say similarly
I miss Nibelsnarf so much... such a fun monster to hunt 😢
Hi UHC. Just a vid idea. Locals and what seasons could look like with them? So the flooded Forrest with a wet and dry season. While this map doesn't exist, a snow map that has a summer. An area that has an iced over lake for big monsters like gammath that in summer is an underwater fight area. Do deserts have seasons? Does the rotten vale or coral highlands have seasons? I think this would be an amazing topic if you wanted a breather from monsters alone.
A partially unfrozen Frozen Seaway sounds so fun, like maybe some ice becomes shallow water zones in "summer" and the extra Frozen Seaway we get is the "Winter" season
Or a Sandy Plains with only one wallows religiously maintained by an agressive Barroth
That would be amazing
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I remember Gobul as my second wall in Tri, after Barroth. He was significantly easier in 3U but I do remember G rank giving me and my brothers trouble for a while. Its a shame Green Narga's Awaken Weapons end up outclassing his because Paralysis was a lot of fun to use online in 3 Ultimate, but with the God Charm it became so easy to get Awakening his usefulness fell off as soon as Green Narga was huntable.
I imagine they'd have to make him noticeably bigger in new games, I remember a big issue trying to fight him on Land was that he'd inflate and take up a ton of the zone. It was a challenge moving around him to get to softer parts. It would be nice to have fishable monsters again, although a bit of a revamp on bait would be in order so it wasn't so easy to do (maybe make Frogs Account Items, or that you have to use ParaToads instead so you only get one or two chances)
"Nye-bal snarf" 💀😂
Gobul a vibe tbh
I want Gobul and Gigginox to make a return. They both had dope armor designs especially Gigginox High Rank and G Rank.
Hm, I haven't been able to get my hands on some of the older games but you brought up an interesting topic. Animals like lions, wolves, owls, cattle, normal fish, turtles, birds, etc exist in Monster Hunter. How does the "real" caste of animals coexist with Monster Hunter's unique and certainly more dominant species of creatures if the New World's lack of real animals is anything to go by. Would they just be forced down into lower niches or would there be a chance of fighting back?
Two things:
One: do you think it’s possible that Nibelsnarf might not necessarily LIVE in the Sandy Plains, but rather in the rock formations surrounding them? Given that it generally leaves its top exposed during the fight, and it sleeps the same way, is it possible that it may only forage in the Sandy Plains and then nest in the cliffs and caves?
Two: next potential video could just be you ripping Magnamalo (a.k.a. Coldsteel the Fanged Wyvern) apart while also trying to give it SOMETHING that isn’t edgelord cringe
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Gobul kind of looks like a handbag if you look at it from certain angles.