A Look at Hornady's Neck Turning Tool
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2022
- #Hornady In this video we take a look at Hornady's Lock-N-Load neck turning tool. I used it on some homemade or converted 300 Blackout brass to illustrate how much it can improve the consistency of the converted brass. The tool is great to improve any conversion/wildcat brass. I thought the converted brass would really stand out as an example. Hope you like the video, please like, share and subscribe.
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Great video thank you. I will be using this video for setup. Thanks!
I had 2 separate issues that were preventing passing a gage checker:
First, for a Dillon XL750 (any Dillon with a 550B quick change turret), lee resize die is not compatible (screw it in enough for correct seat depth, the collar nut free spins and cannot grab a thread to tighten down). Therefore the neck was too shallow and the back of the case sticks out too far. RCBS die did the trick and was way higher quality. Now the brass fits the gage checker. In all fairness, the old ammo worked 100% in a brn180 and basic AR upper, but wouldn't even chamber a MCX, which seems to be VERY picky in tolerance. (To be clear for the ammo used that didn't pass a gage checker, it was all subsonic 12.1gr CFE BLK, not really much of a pressure concern compared to supersonic or .223 pressures)
Second, the neck was obviously too thick on some brass. I think it is even more exagerated when trying to use cast 30 cal ammo vice berry's. The cast might even need .010" neck thickness to make it work, i'd have to dimension it.
Those Lee dies do not have a lot of extra threads, I can see that being a problem in some applications. I am no fan of the case checkers because they hold tolerance to the minimum and most peoples chambers are in the middle of tolerance. The slotted ones can be useful for trouble shooting. You obviously already know this from your comment. Neck trimming has plenty of benefits but a properly sized cast bullet should not cause a problem for .010-.012" ish.
Just spit balling, but it maybe easier to investigate if extra bullet sizing is needed. Generally cast would run .309"
Thanks for watching and the great comment.
Comming with an update for my experience.
Nice to see you again 👍it's a great tool
Thanks 👍
I grabbed the RCBS hand neck turner mainly to convert 8mm, but I ran a batch 300 and the results were great, I agree 100% once fired everything settles in and the benefit is increased
Alright based on this video I pulled the trigger and bought one... Indeed no other shell holders work unless you drill them out with a drill press or lathe (or Dremel).
First issue: my resized brass was too tight on the neck dowel, causing it to screw all the way down (making the resizer not usable) and getting the case stuck. I have corrected this issue by using a "wedge" or "shim" inside the tube threads to keep the dowel sticking out so the trimmer is flush with the neck. You can makeshift any wedge but I went with the diy crank pulley key stock from Napa and cut it down with a Dremel.
Other than that, this did exactly as I asked it to. It almost makes me want to use wolf gold and ppu brass because it is thicker in the other areas...
You can't drill out a shell holder that is hardened ..lol !! I just ran into this issue last nite, all excited got it screwed down to my bench ,,,,and then realized my Lyman and RCBS shell
holders were too small....dohhh! I have a ton of converted 6.5 brass from 308 I'm in desperate need to turn down these thick necks.....
I neck turn all my 300 brass at .011 also . It does make a difference in accuracy and function .
I agree! Would be interesting to pair that with a .327 bushing in a bushing die.
@@TreeTopFlier I've never tried a bushing die . I mainly use Lee dies and am happy with the accuracy. My cast bullet 300 gets .8 groups at 100 at 2100 fps
@@jamespollard1670 Those are really great results James, especially with cast. Dont fix what isnt broken
My single issue is proprietary shell holders. But the unit works VERY WELL.
Yeah CW, that part is a bummer but I realized that on a large primer case the part that goes through the shell holder to push against the case head wouldn't have much to push on if it was only the diameter of the hole in a standard SH.
I was told before you tighten down the case with that ring you need to have the case in contact with the mandrel to make sure when its tightened down the case is aligned with its center axis if that makes sense. I am not sure if I am explaining it well.
Edit: Also, I took the spring out of the shaft on the right, seemed unnecessary.
No your right, I mentioned it in the video and tried to show it in the demonstration. I may not have made a big enough point of it. I think I may have missed it on the 4th case :-( though. I may try it without the spring to see if I like the feel better. Thanks.
If you don’t resize and trim first, you can neck trim back into the shoulder on a short neck ruining the case OR not trim far enough back on a long neck case and end up with a chamber jamb due to the neck wall being too think. Converting cases is wall thickness issue as different head stamps vary in wall thickness, which ends up to be the converted neck of the 300 Blk Out Case. After trim the neck wall thickness has worked well at .0135. Have used Sheridan Slotted Gage for 300 Blk Out to check rounds after assembly and found fit works.
If you have a match grade barrel with less tolerance, the chamber may very well be a tighter fit. If neck wall is too thick the cartridge most likely will jamb at a critical moment. Good luck getting the stuck cartridge out of the chamber.
The old Viet Nam stuck cartridge trick may or may not work. Make sure safety is set to on, KEEP CLEAR OF MUZZLE, rap the rifle butt to the ground firmly and hope it dislodges the cartridge without ripping off the back of the case. Otherwise you can take the risky dowl approach and drive down the barrel to push the cartridge out backward. This is dangerous, so if you’re not in a firefight find a gunsmith… THE SAFEST METHOD IS DON’T TAKE SHORTCUTS, AND CONVERT THE CASES THE RIGHT WAY EVEN IF YOU SPEND MORE TIME.
PS…You will have better cartridges if you resize after neck trim as suggested, due to trim turning the case can spread the neck to not be round anymore. Resize one last time will size neck back to proper opening to hold bullet tight and the decap/resize rod will spread the neck opening, then the neck will spring back to desired diameter and round to hold bullet. You can use a neck resize die only and a mandrel die for .308 to accomplish the same function, but some say that process is more uniform. This process has worked well and produced worry free range time.
Hey TreeTop ! Good to see another video ! Lots of great information here as always !
Thanks buddy! Seems like one a year is my pace these days LOL. Hope the family is doing well and everything is fine out your way. Finally starting to score some components so as long as the commies stay in their hole for a while we may catch back up.
Amen!!
Just bought one, first disappointment out of the box is proprietary to Hornady shell holders only, which it don't come with, well I have a couple dozen RCBS and Lee that do not fit! Second was the guide mandrels fit, fired case their way too small to be accurate, sized case their too big and the case won't slide over it.
So my first modification will be with the shell holders, I may drill out my existing shell holders to fit or, I can mill the center holder smaller to fit 95% of all holders out there.
As for the mandrels fitment, Either neck size with a specific neck die or maybe cheaper option use a Lee collet neck sizer for better mandrel fit.
The quality seems realy good.
I guess no one said reloading was cheap or quick.
I just ordered the shell holders for the cases I want to turn. I dont know about drilling them out. If you use those shell holders for priming, the drilled out hole wont guide the priming lever centered to the case. I ran into that just having Hornady shell holders on RCBS or Lee presses. trimming fired cases will vary depending on how loose the chamber was in the neck when fired. I just ended up sizing them and running them through the lee collet die and they fit perfectly. good Luck
@@TreeTopFlier yeah, I attempted to drill a shell holders (I have multiple Lee of the same size) but I forgot how hard they are lol. So it's a set of Hornady holders.
I guess my chamber case mouth is larger iduno, but fired 6.5s just slops around on the mandrel, measured the madrel and is .261 my fired case inside is .268.
Sized case inside dia. .260.
I just bought the rcbs because it was the cheapest. Probably not the best reason. I got it for converting.308 to 8.6 blk. Haven’t had a chance to use it yet. Looks like the hornady is well made and I’d imagine more repeatable. The rcbs is hand held
RCBS make really nice stuff so I'm sure you'll be happy with it. I do think if your doing any quantity, being bench mounted would be an advantage.
@@TreeTopFlier I’ll probably regret it if I start mass producing plinking ammo. For now I’m going to try to not blow my face off:)
Good plan. I call it 10 and 2. Ten fingers and two eyes. Keep them intact and you're doing good.
I enjoy the thouroghness of your videos. I would like to ask if you have time, to make a video on reloading 300 BLK. I know there are other videos on YT but you seem to be more concise. I am new to the reloading game. I have the Lee Classic Turret press and I have read the Lee reloading book but, still would like to see a clear step-by-step process. Thank you in advance if you decide to do it.
I have a 4 part basic reloading series on Rumble rumble.com/v1n15qs-minimalist-reloading-for-the-beginner-using-the-lee-hand-press.-part-1.html. As for a specific video on 300blk I havent made one of those... yet. If you have any specific questions I would be glad to help. Also I have to be really careful with what I post on youtube or they will take me down. like I said, more on Rumble. rumble.com/user/TreeTopFlier
Oh, and thank you for the kind comment.
@@TreeTopFlier Thank you for the link to Rumble and offer to help. I appreciate it! Have a good one!
The series on rumble is long but it covers a lot of ground for a new reloader. It was very popular on TH-cam with a lot of great feedback. unfortunately TH-cam said a lot of my content violated their TOS so to save the channel I had to remove a lot videos.
I ordered this and a reamer should not have a issue loading 265 grain bullets for the 300 black out
If you run them back through the sizer after turning the neck it will realign everything and reset the neck dimension. I wouldn't think you would need to ream the inside of the neck. Annealing would be useful before the final sizing. I usually end up with a neck wall thickness of .011". Good luck!
@@TreeTopFlier thanks I have a inside reamer just been waiting going on two weeks for it to show up I can not wait to try it
@@TreeTopFlier what I did is resized all the brass trimmed them then put them in the neck turn tool will let you guys know how it went everything chambered alright in the test
What is the thread on the mandrel? I need to machine a custom one.
Looks like 1/2 - 20
Thanks
@@TreeTopFlier
Another thing to be aware of is RUST!!! Just about everything that Hornady makes, will rust if you turn your head away from it. Must be generously coated in Lee Alox! Another great video.
I bet it does. I live in a dry area so Im not very aware of keeping tools from rusting. isnt alox a little gummy for tools like this?
@@TreeTopFlier So do I, I guess having a swamp cooler doesn't help any. Simple fix for the sticky fingers would be a dusting of mica. I'm sure there are better products out there though.
I got a question, was that 300 BO brass neck sized using a Lee collet die first?
@@user-sn8wp2ux1y Yes, in fact, I had to use the collet die to open the neck up a little to fit over the mandrel easily. The collet die can fix a lot but not that much.
@@TreeTopFlier Thanks for the response, you did a great job demonstrating the merits of this product and the need for neck turning.
I have yet to see an in-depth demo on youtube of neck variation corrections from start to finish, using a collet die and trimming while using a runout indicator in the process at each step. That would be a popular video I'd imagine.
@@user-sn8wp2ux1y Thanks, I thought about that but just neck turning isn't enough alone to get a total improvement in concentricity. Resizing after turning helps but you need to shoot them to recenter the neck OR resize after annealing. spring back in the brass wont let you get the full effect. I don't have a slick process for annealing so I skipped it. I was hoping that showing the uneven material removal would be illustrative enough to show the value of the tool.