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He didn't have to cook, wash, change nappies, sweep, and chat with the neighbours. Plenty of his own luxurious time. His family must have slaves, too. If Homer was alive now, the feminists would kill him!
Extraordinary to experience that story “hooking” the listener’s attention from the very first line to the last. Homer had to be a true literary genius.
Mostly Homer is just attributed to "the guy who wrote it down", not the guy who came up with all of it. The whole story is probably something that was already present for 100s and 1000s of years...
Pride is a capital sin. There is a movement in today's society using the word "pride" to push their lifestyles onto the rest of us and children. That will lead to a disaster at some point, as the Iliad;s underlying message suggests.
Thanks for watching and subscribing. 😊 The Trojan horse is not a part of the Iliad but it definitely was a part of the Epic Cycle. If you would like to know more about the entire narrative of the Trojan war, I recommend you checkout my video on the Epic Cycle th-cam.com/video/ppvRli3rkEs/w-d-xo.html
I am happy my video inspired you to read The Iliad again. If you are into ancient Greek literature you should check out my videos on The Odyssey, The Aeneied, Antigone and The Epic Cycle. 🙂
The golden apple was “to the most beautiful” and that set off the massive series of events that we all know occurred throughout the Trojan war etc. When Alexander was on his deathbed he was ask who will take control of his empire and he said “to the strongest”. I wonder if Alexander drew that inspiration from the Homeric sags in his dying breath. We already know how devoted he was to that literature. Hail the Heroes of our Civilization!
I am happy you liked it. If you are interested to learn more about the Trojan war, you can check out my videos on the Epic Cycle and the Odyssey as well. Thanks for watching and subscribing. 😊
thank you so much sir ... your video really help me to answer and understand my activity .. really appreciate the effort keep it up .. you really deserved a thumbs up......
This is an excellent resume! I've seen some other ones on youtube, but most of them are incredibly not loyal to the book itself; apparently they get their stories at Wikipedia. One of the best exemples is the fact that they all tell Patroclus went to war desguised as Achilles, with everyone thinking it was the great hero at war; but thats not what the Illiad tells, and everyone, including Achilles and Hector themselves, knew it was Patroclus. Great to see a faithful video about this marvelous book!!
Thanks for your comment! I think you will enjoy my video on The Epic Cycle as well. In it I speak about the importance of bards like Homer at the Greek society of the time-> th-cam.com/video/ppvRli3rkEs/w-d-xo.html
I am happy you liked it. 😊 The Trojan Horse is not a part of The Iliad, but it is definitely a part of the Epic Cycle. If you would like to know more about the entire narrative of the Trojan war, from before the siege of Troy all the way to Odysseus' death, I recommend you check out my video on the Epic Cycle ▶️ th-cam.com/video/ppvRli3rkEs/w-d-xo.html
Sometimes these "ancient god's" act like teenage schools kids fighting with one another. This most certainly must be a projection of the ancient Greek mind.
Thank you for your comment. I think in a certain way Homer questions the concept of free will or what we perceive as free will without it being influenced by a higher power(s). The Iliad in its heart is the story of rivalry between gods. In it each god follows a certain agenda and has a distinct impact on the direction of the story and uses mortals and their wants and needs as the vehicle for his/her own agenda . Hera and Athena are both against Troy because Paris chose Aphrodite over them. Zeus doesn’t want Troy to be destroyed but he is heavily influenced by his lover Hera. Athena is responsible for Hector’s death because she tricks Pandarus to shoot Menelaus and break the ceasefire. On the other side Apollo and Aphrodite are supporters of Troy. And Mars, god of war, does nothing but agitating the battle and raising the flames of war. In regards to the mentality of the Greeks at the time, it is hard to say but there is a video on my channel on The Epic Cycle, which briefly goes into the impact of the Greek Dark Age and the influence that bards like Homer had on their society. You can watch it here--> th-cam.com/video/ppvRli3rkEs/w-d-xo.html
@@GreatBooksin10minutes great insight, you penetrated a bit deeper than I have or would have. I'll check out the video thanks. BTW your channel is great, I real blessing to "great book" lovers. If I may make a suggestion; I believe your viewers, including myself, would like to see a review done of Milton's Paradise Lost, or Dentes Divine Comedy. I realize the immensity of those books and summing them up into ten minutes may be a herculean project, atleast for me it would, but you seem to have the goods, so I know you could definitely do it. Thanks for what you do. Good day.
Yes, the movie "Troy" was not a faithful adaptation. Later in "The Odyssey" we learn that Helen eventually reunites with her husband Menelaus. If you are interested you can watch my summary of The Odyssey here --> th-cam.com/video/uTF1hG2UBrM/w-d-xo.html
Because ancient people who weren't ruined by an overabundance of technology and centuries of modernist philosophies understood that love wasnt the same thing as lust. Only in this age do we have that particular naivete in spades.
I feel that homer was biased towards Alexandros, I mean having Aphrodite whisk him away to save his honour and taking all the blame from him saying he had to choose a goddess to be the most beautiful knowing any choice would lead to conflict.
Thank you for your comment. I think in a certain way Homer questions the concept of free will or what we perceive as free will without it being influenced by a higher power(s). The Iliad in its heart is the story of rivalry between gods. In it each god follows a certain agenda and has a distinct impact on the direction of the story and uses mortals and their wants and needs as the vehicle for his/her own agenda . Hera and Athena are both against Troy because Paris chose Aphrodite over them. Zeus doesn’t want Troy to be destroyed but he is heavily influenced by his lover Hera. Athena is responsible for Hector’s death because she tricks Pandarus to shoot Menelaus and break the ceasefire. On the other side Apollo and Aphrodite are supporters of Troy. And Mars, god of war, does nothing but agitating the battle and raising the flames of war.
@@GreatBooksin10minutes THE discoveries and development in psychology and psychoanalysis do put a question mark on free will. A few years aho, I was discussing with a Catholic priest on the three criteria for mortal sin: grave matter, full knowledge, and full consent. He had a problem with the 3rd, full consent. People are so wounded even in childhood that many decisions made today may have been due to influence of some deep, unknown psychological trauma that somehow created the impetus to decide doing an act that was grave, thus diminishing the power of full consent. He wondered whether an omniscient and merciful God wouldn't consider that and just let it pass. This is for those who believe in a Christian heaven. This has little to do with positive laws (civil, criminal, administrative)that punish those who violate them. The Iliad, Odyssey and Greek/Roman mythology have actually enriched the language of psychology.
Liked the clip & thanks. Maybe one of the best parts of Western Literature. And the sum of the story explains much of the BCE Greek mind-set. An intentional mind-set that promoted excellence. And just look at what the Greeks accomplished. Starting at or near nothing to one of the most accomplished cultures in Western History. If I recall some of the written story... and some of the others .... the words often read something to the effect.... 'Hera favored Hercules' .... So that the Heroes (usually male) were acting in a particular way because their deities caused the humans to behave in a particular way at a particular time. Like with the Games. Their deities liked people that tried. A modern retelling of that story, Hercules, is the S/F show DS9, of Star Trek fame. Many will object or disagree, I'me sure.
That's a very interesting question. While the concept of manipulating dreams exists in both the ancient myth and the modern term "oneirekinesis," it's essential to recognize that the terminology and interpretations have evolved over time. The term "oneirekinesis" is a more recent construct, and its usage may not perfectly align with ancient myths. In essence, you could draw parallels, but the specific term and its associations may not directly apply to the ancient narrative. Still, I hear what you are trying to say, we have the tendency to lable things through modern psychology, so Zeus manipulating Agamemnon's dream could be interpreted as oneireokinesis without it ever being recognized with such a title.
Thank you for your comment. The Iliad ends with Hector's death. However, most of the narrative of the Trojan war, from start to finish, even the events leading to the Iliad, was mentioned in what we know today as the Epic Cycle by various authors like Arctinus and Homer himself and it is safe to assume that it was public knowledge at the time. If you are intrested I have covered The Epic Cycle in this video ---> th-cam.com/video/ppvRli3rkEs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ah1G1qvJaMlYZaxu
Homer's genius is staggering...what other writer, with access to all the earlier lays re: this war, would have picked and modified them in this manner? Who else would have ended his work, not with the destruction of Troy, but with the 'true' ending--with the fall of the "hope of the city", the city was indeed doomed.
Thank you for your comment. I think in a certain way Homer questions the concept of free will or what we perceive as free will without it being influenced by a higher power(s). The Iliad in its heart is the story of rivalry between gods. In it each god follows a certain agenda and has a distinct impact on the direction of the story and uses mortals and their wants and needs as the vehicle for his/her own agenda . Hera and Athena are both against Troy because Paris chose Aphrodite over them. Zeus doesn’t want Troy to be destroyed but he is heavily influenced by his lover Hera. Athena is responsible for Hector’s death because she tricks Pandarus to shoot Menelaus and break the ceasefire. On the other side Apollo and Aphrodite are supporters of Troy. And Mars, god of war, does nothing but agitating the battle and raising the flames of war.
What role do the Greek gods play in the events of "The Iliad"? How do they influence the actions of mortals and the outcome of the Trojan War? Discuss the role of women in The Iliad. How are they (Helen, Andromache, Briseis) portrayed? Compare and contrast with the women of today. Looking for ASAP response, thanks!
Vladimir Propp's theory of morphology of the folktale was primarily designed for the analysis of folktales, and applying it directly to epic poems like "The Iliad" can be a bit challenging. Propp's framework is quite structured and tailored specifically to the characteristics of folk narratives. Now, epic poems, such as "The Iliad," often possess a different narrative structure and complexity compared to folktales. They frequently feature multiple storylines, a vast array of characters, and a more intricate plot. Furthermore, epic poems serve distinct cultural and literary purposes.I That being said, it's not impossible to use elements of Propp's theory, like character archetypes and narrative functions, as a starting point for analyzing certain aspects of epic poems. However, one would need to adapt and modify the theory to better suit the unique features of epic poetry. In the case of "The Iliad," scholars and critics usually employ different methods and theories, such as classical literary analysis, to delve into its themes, characters, and narrative structure. These approaches are better suited to understanding the complexity of epic poetry.
Thanks for explaining to me something I studied at schools without ever understanding... anyway It seems to me something more likes the saga of "beautiful" rather than a real work of art!😂😂😂
That's an interesting question to ask. The Olympian gods, including Zeus, often engaged in power struggles, alliances, and conflicts. Additionally, Zeus was portrayed as the ruler of Mount Olympus, but his decisions were not always absolute, as he needed to consider the perspectives and interests of other deities. I think this dynamic interplay adds a layer of complexity to the Greek mythological narratives. Thanks for being a subscriber and your comment. 😊
Thank you for your comment. It is generally accepted to recognize a person named Homer as the author of the Iliad but there is really no way to say with absolute certainty if what we have today as the Iliad was all composed by one person or if it is the culmination of multiple authors adding to it throughout centuries both before and after him. The actual Trojan war which is heavily fictionalized in the Iliad and some believe could be called the collapse of the Bronze age happened around 12 century BC which triggered what is known as the Greek dark ages. Homer himself is believed to have lived around the 8th to 6th century BC while the oldest manuscript of the Iliad is "Venetus A" which is from the 10th-century AD. So because of all of these large gaps and the very fact that the poem was kept alive mostly through oral tradition makes it impossible to say what parts were composed by Homer and what parts by other authors. As I mentioned in the video Homer could be considered the embodiment of the ancient Greek culture through whom as a figure though mostly fictional the tales and fables of that period have been presented to the next generations.
The greatest epic of mankind is Mahabharata which is eight times bigger than the Iliad and odyssey combined together!. Iliadhad been derived from Mahabharata as a short story!
@@Dice_roller any proof please. Mahabharat war happened 3200 BCE in today's Northern region of India (Aryavarta) Greeks and Romans were not even existed during that time as a people or civilization!!
@rahulpaturkar1425 I would ask for yours first before flatly and overconfidently saying that the Kurukshetra War was an actual, real, historical war that is said to've happened, as it is likely it didn't. But if it did happen, it would've occurred around the tenth to the early ninth century BCE, during the Indian Iron age, due to multiple factors; such as descriptions of tools, metals, et cetera. On the other hand, the Trojan War, again, if it did in fact happen (it's likely that both of these legendary wars were _based upon_ real conflicts and not fully historical), it would've occurred around the age of Mycenaean-Greece, the late Bronze Age, likely around the twelve hundreds BCE, for the same reasons as given for why the Kurukshetra War is likely around the tenth to ninth century BCE. To further expand on this subject, the Iliad was written around the eighth century BCE, while on the other hand, the Mahābhārata was written around the sixth to fifth century BCE. As a side note, no Ancient Hellenic story, legend, tale, et cetera, is taken from an Ancient Indian context whatsoever nor the other around. Also, you need to work on your English there.
Interesting… yet its hector that is named as one of the three (only) pagan “worthies” of history…. Which doesn’t sound like someone who would allow themself to be chased around anywhere. (Julius Ceased and Alexander the great are the other two pagan worthies in history)… so yer, no… not at all like folk to be chased around…. But interesting in the main
the Hittites are not mentioned by name in the Iliad. The Hittites were an ancient Indo-European people who established a powerful empire in Anatolia (modern-day Turkey) in the late Bronze Age, around the same time as the events of the Trojan War described in the Iliad. However, the Hittites are not specifically mentioned in the poem and their presence and influence are not directly addressed. The Hebrews are not mentioned in the Iliad, either. The Iliad is set in the Bronze Age and focuses on the events of the Trojan War, which took place in the eastern Mediterranean region in the late 12th or early 11th century BCE. The Hebrews, on the other hand, did not emerge as a distinct people until several centuries later, in the early first millennium BCE. As such, they are not mentioned in the Iliad, which predates the formation of the Hebrew people and their history. the land of Canaan, however, is mentioned in the Iliad, and it is referred to as a land rich in crops and resources, located along the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea. The land of Canaan is described as being inhabited by various peoples, including the Phoenicians, who were known for their seafaring skills and trade network. However, the mention of Canaan in the Iliad is limited to a few references and its role in the poem is relatively minor. the Assyrians are also mentioned in the Iliad. They are described as a distant and powerful nation, known for their wealth and military prowess. However, they are not mentioned extensively in the poem and their role is limited to a few references. 😊
Moral of the story, if a god throws you an apple to tell "which women is beautiful, give them the apple"; just eat it and say nothing; deflect the challenge.
You are watching this video for an assignment, I am "watching" this video because the Illiad is so insane that I have to know what happens but I don't have time to read because of work, we are not the same.
Thank you for your comment. It is hard to say. Homer could have existed as a sole author, or what we refer to as Homer could have been multiple authors from different eras of Greek history who added to the poems and expanded them. In either case, the name 'Homer' encapsulates ancient Greek culture as a whole, and it is generally accepted to attribute The Iliad and The Odyssey to that name.
The comments below is in response to the author’s answer to my question “whether Zeus or the other gods purposefully destroyed Trojan” The story is more like the topic of fate than free will from my perspective after watching your video, the fate of Troy is determined by the high powers instead of its people. Zeus’s decisions and attitudes are questionable to the betterment of the situation of Troy which make me wonder his motive. His inaction is probably releated to his weakness. First, he can’t conciliate among his lovers so he asks Paris for help and eventually Troy and its people take the blame. Second, other gods witness the battle between Achilles and Trojan without consideration of Zeus’s request to interfere. Last, his mortal son Sarpedon is killed in the battle, this is another sign of his weakness, Zeus can’t protect his son and I incline towards deliberate killing for the higher purpose, I haven’t read the book and that’s my own speculation about this event. If Zeus want to help Troy, He should gain more supporters of Troy to balance the situation, but what I see is just nothing more than a pose.
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And to think Homer wrote all that while having 3 kids and wife as well as working a full time job at the Nuclear Power Plant
Yeah springfield is famous for it
Before I got the joke I was bouta say "bruh we don't even know for sure that he existed" xD
Yeah he wasn’t distracted with all the bs we endure now a days
He didn't have to cook, wash, change nappies, sweep, and chat with the neighbours. Plenty of his own luxurious time. His family must have slaves, too. If Homer was alive now, the feminists would kill him!
Duh!
Extraordinary to experience that story “hooking” the listener’s attention from the very first line to the last. Homer had to be a true literary genius.
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Mostly Homer is just attributed to "the guy who wrote it down", not the guy who came up with all of it. The whole story is probably something that was already present for 100s and 1000s of years...
@@Timmavid167 Okay.
I read the Illiad just once, 60 years ago. According to my prof the theme is that overweening pride leads to disaster.
Thanks for watching and sharing your insight. That could very well be one of the ongoing themes in the Iliad.
Pride is a capital sin. There is a movement in today's society using the word "pride" to push their lifestyles onto the rest of us and children. That will lead to a disaster at some point, as the Iliad;s underlying message suggests.
Wonderful, I learned today of the actual end of the Illiad and not the movie version nor other writings. Very good.
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you could have actually read it yourself
@PetroicaRodinogaster264 it's almost like some people don't like reading/find reading difficult
Wow, this was wonderfully done the best summary I have watched
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no wonder this stood the test of time... so many twists, filled with drama its good stuff
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great that such stories are still with us
Absolutely!
I guess this one is the most detailed and accurate video on Illiad
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Great video! You captured all of the important events of the book perfectly and included a little extra introduction to the story.
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I was planning to read The Iliad again, discovered this summary, and I am more fired up to reread the epic.
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@@GreatBooksin10minutes I'm onto your The Odyysey summary now. Next will be Aeneid. I even answered the trivia and got an 85. Not bad, eh?
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The golden apple was “to the most beautiful” and that set off the massive series of events that we all know occurred throughout the Trojan war etc.
When Alexander was on his deathbed he was ask who will take control of his empire and he said “to the strongest”. I wonder if Alexander drew that inspiration from the Homeric sags in his dying breath. We already know how devoted he was to that literature.
Hail the Heroes of our Civilization!
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You also have to consider the sexism of the myth, blaming a long, bloody war on a rival among goddesses's jealousies.
@@tonyyoung3985 is it sexism or pattern recognition, i think even back then women hated each other and would fight and argue over anything
@@antoniopetrou8389 Good point, but would a female author have portrayed the bickering of women as something that would trigger a war amongst nations?
@@tonyyoung3985 I am a woman and yes some woman can be treacherous. So, I say yes!
Awesome summary! I have to teach a lesson on the Iliad, and this was an excellent way for me to understand the story and teach it well.
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Movie, man of constant sorrows is Homer. Why I love that film
Thank you. Learned so much from this.
Awww that's so awesome! Keep doin your thing
Really amazing. Its my first experience.never ever seen before that. I am learning alot about Iliad
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This video is so good. I’m impressed. Thank you for creating and sharing. 😊
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Awesome! Thank you!!🙏
Thanks for helping with my homework
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I loved the summary and understood well....Thank you soo muchhhhh
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Wow loved it! Huge fan of this book!
Thank you!
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This is an excellent resume! I've seen some other ones on youtube, but most of them are incredibly not loyal to the book itself; apparently they get their stories at Wikipedia. One of the best exemples is the fact that they all tell Patroclus went to war desguised as Achilles, with everyone thinking it was the great hero at war; but thats not what the Illiad tells, and everyone, including Achilles and Hector themselves, knew it was Patroclus. Great to see a faithful video about this marvelous book!!
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Thanks a lot for giving such clear explanation!!
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Thank you so much. Very well explained!❤
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I really enjoyed this brief telling. Thank you so much 🙏
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It almost feels like Homer was a Greek God in a Humans body to be a poet of stories that taught the Greeks lessons and growth
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those BC Greeks were different BREEDS of people
why abuse your legend @@ytyoungrichnhigh
This is really helpful, thanks for the summary!🥰
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Awesome content, keep it up man !!
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This is great!
Do you happen to have a list of the artwork used in this video? I'd love to take a proper look at these pieces :)
Thank you for your comment. I didn't make a list but I am sure you can find most of them on google. 😊
Very well done 👍🏻 thank you ☺️
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So glad to have found this vid since i should have read the iliad for school
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Thank you ♥️🔥 beautiful
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Its in my graduation syllabus and the way you explained such epic is commendable i thank you love you from india
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absolutly wonderful....i did not know that the trojan horse episode to the seige of troy was a latter addition .......thankyou.
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I’m supposed to read this book by tomorrow so thanks for the general summary and wish me luck!
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This was amazing. Hope it gets more attention
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Jeez, what a soap opera! I don't know how you kept track of all that but props! Thanks for sharing
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Sometimes these "ancient god's" act like teenage schools kids fighting with one another. This most certainly must be a projection of the ancient Greek mind.
Thank you for your comment. I think in a certain way Homer questions the concept of free will or what we perceive as free will without it being influenced by a higher power(s). The Iliad in its heart is the story of rivalry between gods. In it each god follows a certain agenda and has a distinct impact on the direction of the story and uses mortals and their wants and needs as the vehicle for his/her own agenda . Hera and Athena are both against Troy because Paris chose Aphrodite over them. Zeus doesn’t want Troy to be destroyed but he is heavily influenced by his lover Hera. Athena is responsible for Hector’s death because she tricks Pandarus to shoot Menelaus and break the ceasefire. On the other side Apollo and Aphrodite are supporters of Troy. And Mars, god of war, does nothing but agitating the battle and raising the flames of war. In regards to the mentality of the Greeks at the time, it is hard to say but there is a video on my channel on The Epic Cycle, which briefly goes into the impact of the Greek Dark Age and the influence that bards like Homer had on their society. You can watch it here--> th-cam.com/video/ppvRli3rkEs/w-d-xo.html
@@GreatBooksin10minutes great insight, you penetrated a bit deeper than I have or would have. I'll check out the video thanks. BTW your channel is great, I real blessing to "great book" lovers. If I may make a suggestion; I believe your viewers, including myself, would like to see a review done of Milton's Paradise Lost, or Dentes Divine Comedy. I realize the immensity of those books and summing them up into ten minutes may be a herculean project, atleast for me it would, but you seem to have the goods, so I know you could definitely do it. Thanks for what you do. Good day.
Thank you! I appreciate you guys watching my videos. Both Milton's paradise lost and the divine comedy are on my list and should be uploaded soon.
all the times
Thanks so much sir
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Helen choosing Menelaus is certainly different from the movie version where Helen married Menelaus but was in love with Paris.
Yes, the movie "Troy" was not a faithful adaptation. Later in "The Odyssey" we learn that Helen eventually reunites with her husband Menelaus. If you are interested you can watch my summary of The Odyssey here --> th-cam.com/video/uTF1hG2UBrM/w-d-xo.html
Because ancient people who weren't ruined by an overabundance of technology and centuries of modernist philosophies understood that love wasnt the same thing as lust. Only in this age do we have that particular naivete in spades.
@AndrewK-oz3bf thats an incredibly naive perspective
outstanding work👏
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Very well explained Sir
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thank you sir , it help me a lot about my report.
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I feel that homer was biased towards Alexandros, I mean having Aphrodite whisk him away to save his honour and taking all the blame from him saying he had to choose a goddess to be the most beautiful knowing any choice would lead to conflict.
Thank you for your comment. I think in a certain way Homer questions the concept of free will or what we perceive as free will without it being influenced by a higher power(s). The Iliad in its heart is the story of rivalry between gods. In it each god follows a certain agenda and has a distinct impact on the direction of the story and uses mortals and their wants and needs as the vehicle for his/her own agenda . Hera and Athena are both against Troy because Paris chose Aphrodite over them. Zeus doesn’t want Troy to be destroyed but he is heavily influenced by his lover Hera. Athena is responsible for Hector’s death because she tricks Pandarus to shoot Menelaus and break the ceasefire. On the other side Apollo and Aphrodite are supporters of Troy. And Mars, god of war, does nothing but agitating the battle and raising the flames of war.
@@GreatBooksin10minutes THE discoveries and development in psychology and psychoanalysis do put a question mark on free will. A few years aho, I was discussing with a Catholic priest on the three criteria for mortal sin: grave matter, full knowledge, and full consent. He had a problem with the 3rd, full consent. People are so wounded even in childhood that many decisions made today may have been due to influence of some deep, unknown psychological trauma that somehow created the impetus to decide doing an act that was grave, thus diminishing the power of full consent. He wondered whether an omniscient and merciful God wouldn't consider that and just let it pass. This is for those who believe in a Christian heaven. This has little to do with positive laws (civil, criminal, administrative)that punish those who violate them. The Iliad, Odyssey and Greek/Roman mythology have actually enriched the language of psychology.
Liked the clip & thanks. Maybe one of the best parts of Western Literature. And the sum of the story explains much of the BCE Greek mind-set. An intentional mind-set that promoted excellence. And just look at what the Greeks accomplished. Starting at or near nothing to one of the most accomplished cultures in Western History. If I recall some of the written story... and some of the others .... the words often read something to the effect.... 'Hera favored Hercules' .... So that the Heroes (usually male) were acting in a particular way because their deities caused the humans to behave in a particular way at a particular time. Like with the Games. Their deities liked people that tried. A modern retelling of that story, Hercules, is the S/F show DS9, of Star Trek fame. Many will object or disagree, I'me sure.
That's an interesting outlook on the story. Thanks for sharing your insight.
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thank you, i was thinking the trojan horse was part of Iliad, but not. Its a story in the future.
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Is Zeus sending false dreams the first example of Oneirokinesis?
That's a very interesting question. While the concept of manipulating dreams exists in both the ancient myth and the modern term "oneirekinesis," it's essential to recognize that the terminology and interpretations have evolved over time. The term "oneirekinesis" is a more recent construct, and its usage may not perfectly align with ancient myths. In essence, you could draw parallels, but the specific term and its associations may not directly apply to the ancient narrative. Still, I hear what you are trying to say, we have the tendency to lable things through modern psychology, so Zeus manipulating Agamemnon's dream could be interpreted as oneireokinesis without it ever being recognized with such a title.
Strange to hear that the downfall of Troy was added later later as it is referred to in the Odyssey, also by Homer.
Thank you for your comment. The Iliad ends with Hector's death. However, most of the narrative of the Trojan war, from start to finish, even the events leading to the Iliad, was mentioned in what we know today as the Epic Cycle by various authors like Arctinus and Homer himself and it is safe to assume that it was public knowledge at the time. If you are intrested I have covered The Epic Cycle in this video ---> th-cam.com/video/ppvRli3rkEs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ah1G1qvJaMlYZaxu
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Homer's genius is staggering...what other writer, with access to all the earlier lays re: this war, would have picked and modified them in this manner? Who else would have ended his work, not with the destruction of Troy, but with the 'true' ending--with the fall of the "hope of the city", the city was indeed doomed.
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Not surprised that Aries started all of this...
Well, there is a reason they call Eris the goddess of chaos. 😊
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well explained.
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This was a great video! Could you tell me what the music was?
In a similar vein I can recommend the books "Hadji Murat" by Leo Tolstoy and "Death and the Dervish" by Mese Selimovic.
The story is amazing! I wonder whether Zeus or the other gods purposefully destroyed Trojan.
Thank you for your comment. I think in a certain way Homer questions the concept of free will or what we perceive as free will without it being influenced by a higher power(s). The Iliad in its heart is the story of rivalry between gods. In it each god follows a certain agenda and has a distinct impact on the direction of the story and uses mortals and their wants and needs as the vehicle for his/her own agenda . Hera and Athena are both against Troy because Paris chose Aphrodite over them. Zeus doesn’t want Troy to be destroyed but he is heavily influenced by his lover Hera. Athena is responsible for Hector’s death because she tricks Pandarus to shoot Menelaus and break the ceasefire. On the other side Apollo and Aphrodite are supporters of Troy. And Mars, god of war, does nothing but agitating the battle and raising the flames of war.
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sooo Ancient Greece is my fav
What role do the Greek gods play in the events of "The Iliad"? How do they influence the actions of mortals and the outcome of the Trojan War?
Discuss the role of women in The Iliad. How are they (Helen, Andromache, Briseis) portrayed? Compare and contrast with the women of today.
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Another thing, may I know difference portrayal of heroism in the myths "Iliad and Odyssey", Beowulf, Nibelungenleid, Aeneid and Divine Comedy?
Sir, is it possible to apply the literary theory work Morphology of the Folktale by Vladimir Propp in the poem Illiad
Vladimir Propp's theory of morphology of the folktale was primarily designed for the analysis of folktales, and applying it directly to epic poems like "The Iliad" can be a bit challenging. Propp's framework is quite structured and tailored specifically to the characteristics of folk narratives.
Now, epic poems, such as "The Iliad," often possess a different narrative structure and complexity compared to folktales. They frequently feature multiple storylines, a vast array of characters, and a more intricate plot. Furthermore, epic poems serve distinct cultural and literary purposes.I
That being said, it's not impossible to use elements of Propp's theory, like character archetypes and narrative functions, as a starting point for analyzing certain aspects of epic poems. However, one would need to adapt and modify the theory to better suit the unique features of epic poetry.
In the case of "The Iliad," scholars and critics usually employ different methods and theories, such as classical literary analysis, to delve into its themes, characters, and narrative structure. These approaches are better suited to understanding the complexity of epic poetry.
Thanks for explaining to me something I studied at schools without ever understanding... anyway It seems to me something more likes the saga of "beautiful" rather than a real work of art!😂😂😂
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I think another one of the main themes is rage
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In the original story,,, Achilles had to chase down Hector around the walls because Hetor was running away like a scared rabbit
Can I have the copy of this summary?
Thank god for fig leaves, spears, and swords coincidentally and strategically hiding the privates.
Yess. But what about ODYSSEYS!?
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Good vid. No wonder I never read the Iliad decades ago in school. Too many names, too much gods' machinations. Thanks!
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Does Zeus make any of his own decisions ?
That's an interesting question to ask. The Olympian gods, including Zeus, often engaged in power struggles, alliances, and conflicts. Additionally, Zeus was portrayed as the ruler of Mount Olympus, but his decisions were not always absolute, as he needed to consider the perspectives and interests of other deities. I think this dynamic interplay adds a layer of complexity to the Greek mythological narratives. Thanks for being a subscriber and your comment. 😊
I thought Homer was the first person to set the story to written words and that it was composed centuries earlier and passed down from bard to bard!?
Thank you for your comment. It is generally accepted to recognize a person named Homer as the author of the Iliad but there is really no way to say with absolute certainty if what we have today as the Iliad was all composed by one person or if it is the culmination of multiple authors adding to it throughout centuries both before and after him. The actual Trojan war which is heavily fictionalized in the Iliad and some believe could be called the collapse of the Bronze age happened around 12 century BC which triggered what is known as the Greek dark ages. Homer himself is believed to have lived around the 8th to 6th century BC while the oldest manuscript of the Iliad is "Venetus A" which is from the 10th-century AD. So because of all of these large gaps and the very fact that the poem was kept alive mostly through oral tradition makes it impossible to say what parts were composed by Homer and what parts by other authors. As I mentioned in the video Homer could be considered the embodiment of the ancient Greek culture through whom as a figure though mostly fictional the tales and fables of that period have been presented to the next generations.
Interesting, how one of the most famous epics really sound like a teenagers immature ramblings when the actual plot is highlighted.
I think the creation is the greatest work than this
The greatest epic of mankind is Mahabharata which is eight times bigger than the Iliad and odyssey combined together!. Iliadhad been derived from Mahabharata as a short story!
The Iliad ("Ilias" in Latin, "Ἰλιάς" in the Ancient Hellenic language) predates Mahābhārata for several centuries.
@@Dice_roller any proof please. Mahabharat war happened 3200 BCE in today's Northern region of India (Aryavarta) Greeks and Romans were not even existed during that time as a people or civilization!!
@rahulpaturkar1425 I would ask for yours first before flatly and overconfidently saying that the Kurukshetra War was an actual, real, historical war that is said to've happened, as it is likely it didn't. But if it did happen, it would've occurred around the tenth to the early ninth century BCE, during the Indian Iron age, due to multiple factors; such as descriptions of tools, metals, et cetera. On the other hand, the Trojan War, again, if it did in fact happen (it's likely that both of these legendary wars were _based upon_ real conflicts and not fully historical), it would've occurred around the age of Mycenaean-Greece, the late Bronze Age, likely around the twelve hundreds BCE, for the same reasons as given for why the Kurukshetra War is likely around the tenth to ninth century BCE.
To further expand on this subject, the Iliad was written around the eighth century BCE, while on the other hand, the Mahābhārata was written around the sixth to fifth century BCE.
As a side note, no Ancient Hellenic story, legend, tale, et cetera, is taken from an Ancient Indian context whatsoever nor the other around. Also, you need to work on your English there.
@@rahulpaturkar1425if Mahabharat war happened in 3200bce then what you think about Indus valley civilization.
@@rahu844 latest research by Shinde and his team, the pottery which was found recently in Indus basin is atleast 7000 BC.
Interesting… yet its hector that is named as one of the three (only) pagan “worthies” of history…. Which doesn’t sound like someone who would allow themself to be chased around anywhere. (Julius Ceased and Alexander the great are the other two pagan worthies in history)… so yer, no… not at all like folk to be chased around…. But interesting in the main
Hmm, and some people still think that today's movie's stories are bloody and violent!!!
Does the Illiad in its story mention assyrians, hittites, or hebrews in it while its taking place?
the Hittites are not mentioned by name in the Iliad. The Hittites were an ancient Indo-European people who established a powerful empire in Anatolia (modern-day Turkey) in the late Bronze Age, around the same time as the events of the Trojan War described in the Iliad. However, the Hittites are not specifically mentioned in the poem and their presence and influence are not directly addressed. The Hebrews are not mentioned in the Iliad, either. The Iliad is set in the Bronze Age and focuses on the events of the Trojan War, which took place in the eastern Mediterranean region in the late 12th or early 11th century BCE. The Hebrews, on the other hand, did not emerge as a distinct people until several centuries later, in the early first millennium BCE. As such, they are not mentioned in the Iliad, which predates the formation of the Hebrew people and their history. the land of Canaan, however, is mentioned in the Iliad, and it is referred to as a land rich in crops and resources, located along the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea. The land of Canaan is described as being inhabited by various peoples, including the Phoenicians, who were known for their seafaring skills and trade network. However, the mention of Canaan in the Iliad is limited to a few references and its role in the poem is relatively minor. the Assyrians are also mentioned in the Iliad. They are described as a distant and powerful nation, known for their wealth and military prowess. However, they are not mentioned extensively in the poem and their role is limited to a few references. 😊
Like sands through an hourglass, so are the days of the lives of the gods! So much drama....geez!
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conclusion, they should have invited eris in that party!!!
Lol it's all the fault of that Zeus!
Did I see that correctly? The ILLIAD? 0:16
Yes lol that was a typo that I noticed the moment I published the video. 💁♂️
These paintings are basically just ancient fanarts. 😂
Moral of the story, if a god throws you an apple to tell "which women is beautiful, give them the apple"; just eat it and say nothing; deflect the challenge.
Wise words!
You are watching this video for an assignment, I am "watching" this video because the Illiad is so insane that I have to know what happens but I don't have time to read because of work, we are not the same.
And I thought the Marvel universe was complicated.
ahahahaaa i agree..
Did Homer actually exist? many scholars argue not.
Thank you for your comment.
It is hard to say. Homer could have existed as a sole author, or what we refer to as Homer could have been multiple authors from different eras of Greek history who added to the poems and expanded them. In either case, the name 'Homer' encapsulates ancient Greek culture as a whole, and it is generally accepted to attribute The Iliad and The Odyssey to that name.
i would personally choose europe
Lol wise choice!
The comments below is in response to the author’s answer to my question “whether Zeus or the other gods purposefully destroyed Trojan”
The story is more like the topic of fate than free will from my perspective after watching your video, the fate of Troy is determined by the high powers instead of its people.
Zeus’s decisions and attitudes are questionable to the betterment of the situation of Troy which make me wonder his motive. His inaction is probably releated to his weakness. First, he can’t conciliate among his lovers so he asks Paris for help and eventually Troy and its people take the blame. Second, other gods witness the battle between Achilles and Trojan without consideration of Zeus’s request to interfere. Last, his mortal son Sarpedon is killed in the battle, this is another sign of his weakness, Zeus can’t protect his son and I incline towards deliberate killing for the higher purpose, I haven’t read the book and that’s my own speculation about this event. If Zeus want to help Troy, He should gain more supporters of Troy to balance the situation, but what I see is just nothing more than a pose.
That's very insightful. Fate is a constantly present theme throughout the Iliad. Thanks for sharing 😊
Damn that’s crazy brah
I'm heart broken for Hector😭
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