Italy here with a message to Jonathan. The G41 here was proposed by Franchi as a runner-up for the 1980s trial that would lead to the adoption of a 5.56x45mm NATO rifle as a replacement for the venerable BM-59. The other runners were the Galil, proposed by Bernardelli, and the Beretta AR-70/90 weapon system, which ultimately won. The G41 was adopted in small quantities by the Italian Navy for their Special forces (COMSUBIN). All the G41 rifles purchased by the Italian Navy were manufactured under license by Franchi.
People forget that the Hk33 and Hk53 were designed around the 55 grain M193 cartridge and not the 62 grain SS109 NATO. If you run SS109 through earlier production 33s and 53s it can break the rollers as the locking piece has the wrong geometry. They also only have 1 in 12 rifling which won't stabilise it. Radway Green kept making M193 in parallel to SS109 spec ammunition simply because of the large number of AR15s and then Hk53s in service. Hk have since offered 1 in 7 barrels and different locking pieces. Probably as they realised that no one wanted the G41 but they really liked their old 53s.
A forward assist on an HK roller gun makes sense to me because it would allow a user to close the bolt after flubbing the reload. It makes way less sense on an AR pattern rifle
It do make a bit of sence, I was taught to use the forward assist for a silent loading of the AR15. You can load the gun way more silent. By loading the rifle with out letting go of the handle and slowly chamber a round and then put the gun in battery with the forward assist.
My sister is in the US Navy and according to her they trained her to use the forward assist to close the bolt on a fresh magazine rather than the bolt release to ensure it closes. Idk if that really matters all that much but I thought thay was interesting.
@@TheSundayShooter yes, but in general AR charging is easier than HK style and correcting by pulling on an AR’s charging handle is far easier than reaching up on an HK’s barrel.
Unless, of course, you played Jagged Alliance 2 and have the description burned into your memory: "Harder hitting than a hangover from a night of downing German lager, this G41 will quickly become your enemy's headache." Its still gorgeous. My favourite of the roller delayed rifles.
It was definitely an odd pick for the design team instead of the 33 or 36. Given it was the mid-nineties and from the Darius Kazemi book, none of the team were gun nuts anyway, odds are good it was picked by someone skimming SOF or similar magazines or just out of a Jane's recognition guide. It did have some interesting choices in guns. Probably the first and in some cases only time some of those guns made it into any form of media.
This is Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillary at the royal armouries museum in the UK. Which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons throughout history.
If I may offer a suggestion about another type of video, perhaps one with interviews with veterans talking about their experiences with specific weapons or types of weapons?
PTR is actually reviving this rifle family as their PTR-63. It's basically a semi-auto G41 for the American civilian market without the forward assist and, apparently, with some improvement to the bolt funtion for increased reliability.
Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the royal armories museum in the U.K. Which houses thousands of iconic weapons throughout history. Always makes good content and I’m glad he is able to take time from his busy job, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the royal armories museum in the U.K. Which houses thousands of iconic weapons throughout history. To film things like this for us to watch.
I Love this series. Wen't to RA in Leeds last week to see the Re:loaded exhibition. I can't stress how much I enjoyed it. I'd recommend it to anyone. well done all!
Do you have any of the G3KA4s set-up for urban "sniping" by some British armed police services in the 90s/2000s? Would love to have a nice video on that whole setup, because it looked great. Plus not enough people are aware of the G3K and its various uses.
Question -to "tactically reload" an MP5, the user has to lock back the bolt first. Does this drawback also apply to rifle-caliber Cold War H&K roller-delayed guns, such as the G3? Why or why not?
A tactical reload is changing the magazine before it runs dry, not waiting for it to be empty. G3s run with out a last round hold open. It was deleted at the request of some customers who believed there was a small chance that snow or ice could enter the action when locked open by the last round hold open.
Locking the bolt prior to inserting an MP5 mag isn’t necessary, but it certainly makes things easier. Some people down load their mags slightly to facilitate it. Closed bolt reloads are easier on the G3 and HK33 since the rock in design gives more leverage to seat
I wonder if they copied the wording they used for the G3A5 made for the Danish Homeguard, as that has grooves drilled onto the side of the bolt for physically pushing into place which they also dubbed a silent bolt cosure device
@@nickosman1556 G41 appears in the game Girls Frontline as a kemonomimi who repeats the word “homete” (Japanese lit. “Praise me”) over and over again. She is very cute and deserving of praise though.
Another entertaining and informative production. Many Thanks. So many variants - It is confusing .... product diversification trying to push sales in a highly competitive market. Ypu must gave a huge inventory ... How on earth does the Armouries keep on top of maintenence ?? I dont suppose you have a huge staff.
Honestly, I like this design quite a bit. Only thing I would personally love to see changed would be the front. A little more round and with a pic rail at the bottom and the sides. Maybe the top with a long picatinny rail instead of these two "hooks".
HK sure showed plenty of love for the francophone 55grs market with its 1:12 variations, the 1:7 shows they been ready for NATOs +62grs future. Yet roller delayed systems started to get old fashion and HK copied the AR18, polymere was the new material, hence the G36 line. Polymeres proved unreliable in context of an AR18 style system, so we returned to aluminum.... Thanks for the great video Jonathon.
Things get confusing here because there was also an HK41 (as opposed to a G41). Back in 1983 I desperately wanted an HK91 but was a few dollars short, so I "settled" for a used 1/74 HK41. Of course, I ended up being very happy with that purchase, but for a number of years referred to it (incorrectly) as the G41. The HK41 is the predecessor to the HK91 in 7.62 NATO, as opposed to the 5.56 G41. Things really got confusing when my buddy got a HK93 that Christmas, which was nearly identical to the G41, while my HK41 was nothing like a G41, and so on, and so on....
For anyone here in the US who is into this thing, PTR is in the process of releasing a G41 clone that you'll be able to buy...although their rifle doesn't seem to have a forward assist for some reason. It's called the "PTR 63". My personal opinion is that this thing is an abomination, and I'll be waiting for Zenith to release their HK33 clones. One 16" rifle and a 12" "pistol". Been waiting to get an HK33/93 rifle for years now, and I've already got my name on the list for both of the Zenith clones.
Dubious, the G41 is an awkward attempt to M16-ize the HK33, and it leaves a lot to be desired. H&K went in the right direction by making an all new gun with the G36, which is just much better (early integrated optics notwithstanding).
The reason for not adopting G11 and G41 was the collapse of the Eastern Block. When this threat vanished, it was no longer possible to justify such high costs for introducing new weapons. Especially the G11, but even the G41 was considered being too expensive back then. But the G3 was still in use and considered an outdated 1950s construction, so the German government decided to adopt another HK design off-the-shelf, that was the G36. And silent bolt close is said too much, it should be less noisy for a surprise fire in a defensive line at incoming enemies. The thing was a group of defenders laying in improvised entrenchments, and the group leader would give a sign (usually by whistle) and all soldiers would fire one shot at a target within their designated area. And due to this synchronized shooting the incoming enemy could not determine the strength of the defending forces. That surprise would not be a surprise if they would hear the defenders racking the bolts before. So that design choice was made to make it less noisy, or at least not identifiable so easy. That was btw. a practice that was still part of the basic drill back during my time in the Bundeswehr 20 years ago.
Starting in the mid-70's until 1989, you could get what amounted the same gun as the HK43 or HK93. My buddy got one for Christmas in either 1983 or 84--it came with a bipod, sight adjustment tool, sling, and two steel HK magazines, all for $450. I guess that would be the equivalent to $1500-$2000 today. He still has it and it is a very nice rifle.
Precisely. The AR 15 / M - 16 pattern has a little something for nearly every user that is not already stuck with AK pattern rifles. But it almost wasn't this way : The M - 16 initially had its reputation... tarnished by McNamara allowing the idiots at Army ordnance to tinker with (nearly like "sabotage") the finely tuned system that Eugene Stoner had designed (I can't imagine anyone would have done such a thing to a John Browning design). Fun (side) fact - it was Air Force chief Curtis LeMay that was the first to order the M 16 for his service. The M - 16 itself is the result of a proposal by General Willard G. Wyman of U S Continental Army Command for a light weight rifle in .223 caliber - which Stoner made with L. James Sullivan and Bob Freemont scaling down from his AR 10 rifle (Sullivan would later work for Ruger, scaling down the M - 14 to the successful "Mini 14", among other projects).
Which of these is the best military rifle: the HK G41, the Galil, the FN FNC, the SIG 550, the Daewoo K2, the Beretta AR 70, the FAMAS or the Steyr AUG?
4:00 after a deep-dive, i've found that the person who first isolated (and thus named) [Al] and added it to the periodic table (Hans Christian Ørsted, a Dane) isolated it from Alum. He first called it "Alumium". later he called it "Aluminum" and published papers calling it that. Later he changed it a last time to "Aluminium" under pressure from Brits at the British Academy of Sciences in the interest of uniformity with other elements already described, apparently. so, it could be said that the Most Correct name is probably "Alumium" but of the US/Eu debate, the US's "aluminum" is closer to the pure intent of the original namer... free from the pressure tactics of the Brits In other words, the extra 'i' is a purely British, late addition for their own comfort b/c "F Foreigners they're not REAL scientists like us brits eh boys!? hahahahah"
For English language that debate is valid. For the rest of us it is Aluminium or Alu. It is carved in stone like that, in our ordering catalogues, metallurgy books, quality certificates. Can not go back and change anything after century, and there is no need. I have machining shop in my company, and when i open ordering catalogues, it has sections like; Fe, Bronze, Inox, Ptfe, Pvc, Polyamide, Aluminium.... Metallurgy sections have quality types, chemical composition and certificate numbers. All that written mostly by now dead people.
@@sinisatrlin840 indeed, my point was not saying that 'aluminium' isn't "correct" but rather that "Aluminum" is not INcorrect, nor is it an American Contrivance. actually, it's a pretty fascinating story of basically the delayed cascade of adoption from east to west, industrial adoption, and the cost of change. 😊
2:14 Did saner minds prevail after all? 10:26 From your demonstration it seems like it would be fair to say that if there is a system where forward assist really is desirable, the HK roller-delayed family is it. 12:09 Lighter bolt might be desirable for lighter felt recoil, I suppose.
As I recall, Eugene Stoner said that the whole forward assist thing was just the army brass being stupid with their requirements, in his view it was an unnecessary part.
Yes. Eugene Stoner always wanted to keep the rifle as light as possible. He, and M - 16 co - developers L James Sullivan & Bob Freemont hated everything the Army and Colt did to cheapen and add nonsense to the M - 16. The Army ordnance department nearly ended the M - 16 by not chrome lining the chamber and not issuing cleaning kits or cleaning instructions - costing the lives of soldiers in Vietnam.
I personally think Stoner was wrong. Yes, he knew more about weapons than I ever will, but many others who also know about weapons agree with me. Even geniuses don't know everything.
@@oldesertguy9616 If we were to go for the majority opinion, then arguably the fact that outside of the US military, very few rifles actually include a forward assist is indicative of how much value there is in it. If it had any significant effect, it wouldn't be limited to just US weapons - others would try to copy it.
@@DawidKov prior to the AR most weapons had a reciprocating charging handle (not all, but most). The handle was its own forward assist. I've used the forward assist and see value in it, as have many others. I don't understand the hate it gets when it adds negligible weight to the weapon and it has a legitimate purpose.
Excellent work as always Jonathan, that gun may be expensive and rather difficult but it's a pretty good assault rifle, like most Heckler & Koch products. By the way i loved the "silent" reloading i mean that doesn't look suspicious at all🤣.
Yes they did, Ian on Forgotten Weapons has a video about it, as well as this gun and the HK-33. I'd link it but I don't know how TH-cam feels about links in their comments
Yes, a G3 shortened down to MP5 size. The SAS actually tried a couple very briefly, and then put them away. VERY loud and blasty, terrible to shoot in the dark or in cramped spaces, but at least your enemy will also be disoriented.
Not sure if it was an official release or a diy gun, but there are some g3's out there with mp5k front ends. More a flame thrower than a gun at this point
The HK51 (or rather "MC51") was a G3 shortened to MP5 dimensions, made by a company called FR Ordnance at the request of the UK's Special Forces (SAS / SBS). As others have pointed out already, firing a 7.62x51 from a barrel that short was *not* a good idea, so the units in question eventually dropped them in favor of an official HK design, the HK53 (which was a shortened version of the 5.56mm HK33).
@@maxjoechl5663 MC51 I think was the moniker given to the two guns which were built on HK21 beltfed 7.62mm machineguns, which were also shortened down to MP5 length.
Is there a reason Jonathan uses polymer gloves? I noted that Ian from Forgotten Weapons will often use cotton gloves, is there an argument for either to be used? Or is it perhaps a bit like the use of gloves with old books, where pop-culture said to use gloves but the people actually handling those books found that using gloves wasn't a good idea, and so he wears them just to spare himself the plethora of comments? Or is it simply what is available to hand in the moment?
I'm guessing it's much simpler than that. Ian is just one guy, so he doesn't need a bunch of different sizes of gloves and can spring for some cotton ones, whereas having cheap, disposable gloves is probably easier for the (presumably) larger staff of the museum with a higher number of hand sizes/roles they need their gloves for.
Just wanted to note PTR is now offering the PTR-63. Which is basically a PTR made HK-41. Essentially there are a few small differences. It’s really a bummer that HK didn’t get much success with the HK-41 it a great rifle in my book.
PTR made a really bizarre choice with modernizing the gun. Why would anyone want a bastardized version of a rare rifle that was already old-fashioned when it was made originally? Just make it 1:1 like the original and HK enthusiasts will buy it.
They made the rifle for the americans. American military brass would fall off their mobility scooters, spitting out big macs, at the mere thought of a rifle without a forward assist.
-Mom, can we have AR-15?
-NEIN! Wir haben AR-15 daheim!
AR-15 daheim....
😂
Italy here with a message to Jonathan.
The G41 here was proposed by Franchi as a runner-up for the 1980s trial that would lead to the adoption of a 5.56x45mm NATO rifle as a replacement for the venerable BM-59.
The other runners were the Galil, proposed by Bernardelli, and the Beretta AR-70/90 weapon system, which ultimately won.
The G41 was adopted in small quantities by the Italian Navy for their Special forces (COMSUBIN). All the G41 rifles purchased by the Italian Navy were manufactured under license by Franchi.
People forget that the Hk33 and Hk53 were designed around the 55 grain M193 cartridge and not the 62 grain SS109 NATO. If you run SS109 through earlier production 33s and 53s it can break the rollers as the locking piece has the wrong geometry. They also only have 1 in 12 rifling which won't stabilise it. Radway Green kept making M193 in parallel to SS109 spec ammunition simply because of the large number of AR15s and then Hk53s in service. Hk have since offered 1 in 7 barrels and different locking pieces. Probably as they realised that no one wanted the G41 but they really liked their old 53s.
A forward assist on an HK roller gun makes sense to me because it would allow a user to close the bolt after flubbing the reload. It makes way less sense on an AR pattern rifle
If pressing the AR-15 bolt release fails, hitting the forward assist is faster than pulling the charging handle
It do make a bit of sence, I was taught to use the forward assist for a silent loading of the AR15. You can load the gun way more silent. By loading the rifle with out letting go of the handle and slowly chamber a round and then put the gun in battery with the forward assist.
My sister is in the US Navy and according to her they trained her to use the forward assist to close the bolt on a fresh magazine rather than the bolt release to ensure it closes. Idk if that really matters all that much but I thought thay was interesting.
I was in the Danish army and deployed in Afghanistan, and I never used it. But I can imagine it can be useful in some situations.
@@TheSundayShooter yes, but in general AR charging is easier than HK style and correcting by pulling on an AR’s charging handle is far easier than reaching up on an HK’s barrel.
Unless, of course, you played Jagged Alliance 2 and have the description burned into your memory:
"Harder hitting than a hangover from a night of downing German lager, this G41 will quickly become your enemy's headache."
Its still gorgeous. My favourite of the roller delayed rifles.
It was definitely an odd pick for the design team instead of the 33 or 36. Given it was the mid-nineties and from the Darius Kazemi book, none of the team were gun nuts anyway, odds are good it was picked by someone skimming SOF or similar magazines or just out of a Jane's recognition guide. It did have some interesting choices in guns.
Probably the first and in some cases only time some of those guns made it into any form of media.
JA2UB was my jam, my entire sqad had these guns. I had no idea they are largely unknown.
We love you Jonathon, truly. Thank you for staying dedicated to YT videos for us. ♡
Preach 🙌🏼🙏🏼
Thank you! I couldn't do it without the production team though - Jack, Josh and Emily.
@@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries thanks Jack Josh and Emily!
Tip of the hat to the crew behind the camera!
"Looks at AR-15"
German engineer: *How can we make it more complicated?*
wouldn't that be the 416..
Why use one part where six will do?
Don't forget more expensive as well. Can't have the poors doing the HK slap.
*how can we make it HK slappable? :D
@@P-Mouse
Nah the 416 is actually rather simple. It's just a g36 upper slapped on top of top an improved AR-15 lower.
I carried the HK high reliability mags during my time in the USMC. They were highly coveted. Not everyone had them.
The HK's high reliability magazine is heavy, but it does work flawlessly.
Heard Noreg grunts getting teached to use the G3 magazine as a melee weapon when on the gun
@@King.Leonidas
*taught
@@onpsxmemberTaughted. Teachified.
This is Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillary at the royal armouries museum in the UK. Which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons throughout history.
It really does look like a giant MP5.
Same can be said for the G3.
@paleoph6168 I mean isn't the MP5 more of a mini-G3 rather than vice-versa?
The MP5 is literally the G3 battle rifle design scaled down to a 9mm SMG. Mechanics are exactly the same, and a few parts even interchange.
That would be a 53
@@1982rrose That'd be the 5.56mm HK33 shortened down to MP5 length, there was also the HK51, which was a G3 (HK91) shortened down to MP5 length.
If I may offer a suggestion about another type of video, perhaps one with interviews with veterans talking about their experiences with specific weapons or types of weapons?
Might be good, but probably a bit outside of the "business" of the Royal Armouries, to include interviews from so many people outside the institution.
I love that there's a massive family of HK designs that all share the same overall shape.
They all have that Seen Kyle look.
PTR is actually reviving this rifle family as their PTR-63. It's basically a semi-auto G41 for the American civilian market without the forward assist and, apparently, with some improvement to the bolt funtion for increased reliability.
I'm looking fwd to it
Your videos have now become absolutely unmissable. Great work . Cheers 👍
Loving that Jonathan still calls it 'Twitter' and not X despite what his Muskiness wants.
Yeah, Elon has an unhealthy obsession with using "X" for most anything.
@@williestyle35Because he still has the mind of a middle schooler, thinking that adding X makes things cool
Twatter wasn't it mate.
Why would you love it? Both names are dumb, but who would really care …..
Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the royal armories museum in the U.K. Which houses thousands of iconic weapons throughout history. Always makes good content and I’m glad he is able to take time from his busy job, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the royal armories museum in the U.K. Which houses thousands of iconic weapons throughout history. To film things like this for us to watch.
I remember reading about this on Remtek Arms 20 years ago and haven't heard anything about it since.
A somehow aesthetically appealing rifle. Very M16ish with the flat bottomed handguard and spring loaded dust cover.
sick work as always john
Of course ive heard of the g41. I've given her many hometes over the years.
I Love this series. Wen't to RA in Leeds last week to see the Re:loaded exhibition. I can't stress how much I enjoyed it. I'd recommend it to anyone. well done all!
Appreciate their attempts at helping out the dyslexic riflemen out there. No chance misinterpretung those safety switch instructions!
Do you have any of the G3KA4s set-up for urban "sniping" by some British armed police services in the 90s/2000s? Would love to have a nice video on that whole setup, because it looked great.
Plus not enough people are aware of the G3K and its various uses.
Every SKK worth his collapse fluid has heard about homete.
i knew i would find homete
Was looking for this, didn't get disappointed.
Homete all the way
Question -to "tactically reload" an MP5, the user has to lock back the bolt first. Does this drawback also apply to rifle-caliber Cold War H&K roller-delayed guns, such as the G3? Why or why not?
A tactical reload is changing the magazine before it runs dry, not waiting for it to be empty. G3s run with out a last round hold open. It was deleted at the request of some customers who believed there was a small chance that snow or ice could enter the action when locked open by the last round hold open.
Locking the bolt prior to inserting an MP5 mag isn’t necessary, but it certainly makes things easier. Some people down load their mags slightly to facilitate it. Closed bolt reloads are easier on the G3 and HK33 since the rock in design gives more leverage to seat
I wonder if they copied the wording they used for the G3A5 made for the Danish Homeguard, as that has grooves drilled onto the side of the bolt for physically pushing into place which they also dubbed a silent bolt cosure device
I believe Bofors in Sweden were first to introduce that, then it filtered towards Denmark and Norway.
Off topic, but are you wearing a "The Crow" pin badge??
I wonder if the heavier spring is so that it reliably chambers from the hold open position?
In before "HOMETE HOMETE!!!"
Also HOMETE HOMETE!!!
I thought I'm the only one who know this gun from GFL
HOMETE
Can someone explain ?
@@nickosman1556 if u dont know then u dont know
@@nickosman1556 G41 appears in the game Girls Frontline as a kemonomimi who repeats the word “homete” (Japanese lit. “Praise me”) over and over again. She is very cute and deserving of praise though.
Thatcher been rocking this one for awhile .
Looks very well made, good fit & finish.
Another entertaining and informative production. Many Thanks.
So many variants - It is confusing .... product diversification trying to push sales in a highly competitive market.
Ypu must gave a huge inventory ... How on earth does the Armouries keep on top of maintenence ?? I dont suppose you have a huge staff.
I have been in the US Army for 15 years and I have never had to use the forward assist on all AR rifles I have used from the M16A2 and the M4
Honestly, I like this design quite a bit. Only thing I would personally love to see changed would be the front. A little more round and with a pic rail at the bottom and the sides. Maybe the top with a long picatinny rail instead of these two "hooks".
Do .455 webly automatic such untalked about gun. Such a beautiful pistol
and that black theme is outstanding. nice suit btw
my first comment got censored, cause censorship being annoying and treating everyone like a kid
Not only have I heard of it, but I have shot one before.
HK sure showed plenty of love for the francophone 55grs market with its 1:12 variations, the 1:7 shows they been ready for NATOs +62grs future. Yet roller delayed systems started to get old fashion and HK copied the AR18, polymere was the new material, hence the G36 line. Polymeres proved unreliable in context of an AR18 style system, so we returned to aluminum....
Thanks for the great video Jonathon.
Things get confusing here because there was also an HK41 (as opposed to a G41). Back in 1983 I desperately wanted an HK91 but was a few dollars short, so I "settled" for a used 1/74 HK41. Of course, I ended up being very happy with that purchase, but for a number of years referred to it (incorrectly) as the G41. The HK41 is the predecessor to the HK91 in 7.62 NATO, as opposed to the 5.56 G41. Things really got confusing when my buddy got a HK93 that Christmas, which was nearly identical to the G41, while my HK41 was nothing like a G41, and so on, and so on....
Question. Is recoil worse with the sliding stock variants?
I think I just saw Jonathan walk into an episode of QI from about 2012!! Can anyone tell me if that was him!? I don't know why I'm so excited!!!
I just looked again-- it is definitely him!!! I'm starting to think Britain only has 50 people in it.
For anyone here in the US who is into this thing, PTR is in the process of releasing a G41 clone that you'll be able to buy...although their rifle doesn't seem to have a forward assist for some reason. It's called the "PTR 63". My personal opinion is that this thing is an abomination, and I'll be waiting for Zenith to release their HK33 clones. One 16" rifle and a 12" "pistol". Been waiting to get an HK33/93 rifle for years now, and I've already got my name on the list for both of the Zenith clones.
Another wonderful video! Do you think the G41 would have been adopted if not for german reunification?
Dubious, the G41 is an awkward attempt to M16-ize the HK33, and it leaves a lot to be desired. H&K went in the right direction by making an all new gun with the G36, which is just much better (early integrated optics notwithstanding).
This is very cool, basically when a AR-15 and MP 5 meet and take the G41 legacy.
Which of the three G41 do you prefer? Mauser, Walter or Hk?
G3, not MP5
@@nickosman1556 Oh yea that rifle of course.
I hope to see a Beretta Revelli video, that would be very cool
That's pretty neat.
The reason for not adopting G11 and G41 was the collapse of the Eastern Block. When this threat vanished, it was no longer possible to justify such high costs for introducing new weapons. Especially the G11, but even the G41 was considered being too expensive back then. But the G3 was still in use and considered an outdated 1950s construction, so the German government decided to adopt another HK design off-the-shelf, that was the G36.
And silent bolt close is said too much, it should be less noisy for a surprise fire in a defensive line at incoming enemies. The thing was a group of defenders laying in improvised entrenchments, and the group leader would give a sign (usually by whistle) and all soldiers would fire one shot at a target within their designated area. And due to this synchronized shooting the incoming enemy could not determine the strength of the defending forces. That surprise would not be a surprise if they would hear the defenders racking the bolts before. So that design choice was made to make it less noisy, or at least not identifiable so easy.
That was btw. a practice that was still part of the basic drill back during my time in the Bundeswehr 20 years ago.
Are the civilian G41 variants going to be sold in the U.S.A.?
Starting in the mid-70's until 1989, you could get what amounted the same gun as the HK43 or HK93. My buddy got one for Christmas in either 1983 or 84--it came with a bipod, sight adjustment tool, sling, and two steel HK magazines, all for $450. I guess that would be the equivalent to $1500-$2000 today. He still has it and it is a very nice rifle.
PTR is supposed to come out with a clone of the G41, called the PTR-63, sometime in Q3 of this year.
@@kutter_ttl6786 YES, THANKS FOR THE GOOD NEWS, 👍👍👍👍!!
Hey look guys, a forward assist!
With all the variations on the ar 15 how can it ever be replaced
Precisely. The AR 15 / M - 16 pattern has a little something for nearly every user that is not already stuck with AK pattern rifles.
But it almost wasn't this way : The M - 16 initially had its reputation... tarnished by McNamara allowing the idiots at Army ordnance to tinker with (nearly like "sabotage") the finely tuned system that Eugene Stoner had designed (I can't imagine anyone would have done such a thing to a John Browning design). Fun (side) fact - it was Air Force chief Curtis LeMay that was the first to order the M 16 for his service. The M - 16 itself is the result of a proposal by General Willard G. Wyman of U S Continental Army Command for a light weight rifle in .223 caliber - which Stoner made with L. James Sullivan and Bob Freemont scaling down from his AR 10 rifle (Sullivan would later work for Ruger, scaling down the M - 14 to the successful "Mini 14", among other projects).
STANAG 4694 is the STANAG that relates to MIL-STD-1913
I'm actually very aware of this one thanks to a detailed battlefield 2 mod for the special forces expansion.
Which of these is the best military rifle: the HK G41, the Galil, the FN FNC, the SIG 550, the Daewoo K2, the Beretta AR 70, the FAMAS or the Steyr AUG?
L85A1
FAL
Out of those, I would choose the Daewoo.
Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range.
Out of the ones mentioned...Sig 550 series.
The Thai army actually used a variant of this type of HK for a while, the HK 33
4:00 after a deep-dive, i've found that the person who first isolated (and thus named) [Al] and added it to the periodic table (Hans Christian Ørsted, a Dane) isolated it from Alum. He first called it "Alumium". later he called it "Aluminum" and published papers calling it that. Later he changed it a last time to "Aluminium" under pressure from Brits at the British Academy of Sciences in the interest of uniformity with other elements already described, apparently.
so, it could be said that the Most Correct name is probably "Alumium" but of the US/Eu debate, the US's "aluminum" is closer to the pure intent of the original namer... free from the pressure tactics of the Brits
In other words, the extra 'i' is a purely British, late addition for their own comfort b/c "F Foreigners they're not REAL scientists like us brits eh boys!? hahahahah"
For English language that debate is valid. For the rest of us it is Aluminium or Alu.
It is carved in stone like that, in our ordering catalogues, metallurgy books, quality certificates. Can not go back and change anything after century, and there is no need.
I have machining shop in my company, and when i open ordering catalogues, it has sections like; Fe, Bronze, Inox, Ptfe, Pvc, Polyamide, Aluminium....
Metallurgy sections have quality types, chemical composition and certificate numbers.
All that written mostly by now dead people.
@@sinisatrlin840 indeed, my point was not saying that 'aluminium' isn't "correct" but rather that "Aluminum" is not INcorrect, nor is it an American Contrivance.
actually, it's a pretty fascinating story of basically the delayed cascade of adoption from east to west, industrial adoption, and the cost of change. 😊
@@lady_draguliana784 Some things to argue about must remain😁
@@sinisatrlin840 lol! cheers! 🍻
What if mp5 but long?
People actually build those in the US with correspondingly long cocking tubes and call them the HK34
While I love guns, can we have some swords, spears and axes please ?
Similar style video but melee weapons.
We do have Up In Arms which was on hiatus but is back soon.
Nice to see you with Ian mccollem in some recent posts
There's in depth and then there's this. ❤❤❤
Jonathon will run out of guns before I get sick of watching his videos
2:14 Did saner minds prevail after all?
10:26 From your demonstration it seems like it would be fair to say that if there is a system where forward assist really is desirable, the HK roller-delayed family is it.
12:09 Lighter bolt might be desirable for lighter felt recoil, I suppose.
So when PTR developed the PTR63, I thought it was.....interesting. I didn't know HK actually manufactured this.
I prefer.
The G3 family is really pretty
I can't tell if I love HK or hate them
HK experimental guns make me do the whole “*squinting*Not Sure if…” thing.
The curve on the HK 5.56 mags just don’t look quite right do they.
Jonathan, on account of its massive size, what do you think of my petition to rename the H&K MK23 to the fee fi fo-wty five?
As I recall, Eugene Stoner said that the whole forward assist thing was just the army brass being stupid with their requirements, in his view it was an unnecessary part.
It may be unnecessary for Eugene but the soldiers thought otherwise. Take that how you will, everyone hates and loves it.
Yes. Eugene Stoner always wanted to keep the rifle as light as possible. He, and M - 16 co - developers L James Sullivan & Bob Freemont hated everything the Army and Colt did to cheapen and add nonsense to the M - 16. The Army ordnance department nearly ended the M - 16 by not chrome lining the chamber and not issuing cleaning kits or cleaning instructions - costing the lives of soldiers in Vietnam.
I personally think Stoner was wrong. Yes, he knew more about weapons than I ever will, but many others who also know about weapons agree with me. Even geniuses don't know everything.
@@oldesertguy9616 If we were to go for the majority opinion, then arguably the fact that outside of the US military, very few rifles actually include a forward assist is indicative of how much value there is in it. If it had any significant effect, it wouldn't be limited to just US weapons - others would try to copy it.
@@DawidKov prior to the AR most weapons had a reciprocating charging handle (not all, but most). The handle was its own forward assist. I've used the forward assist and see value in it, as have many others. I don't understand the hate it gets when it adds negligible weight to the weapon and it has a legitimate purpose.
Excellent work as always Jonathan, that gun may be expensive and rather difficult but it's a pretty good assault rifle, like most Heckler & Koch products. By the way i loved the "silent" reloading i mean that doesn't look suspicious at all🤣.
The harder cocking is meant to create stronger bicepses
I have one.
☝🏻…beautiful boom-stick
Homete?
Geek here, heard of it 😁
I think I'm in love 😅
Oh boy the amount of different big ass MP5 are endless!
WOW
Jonathon did they make a HK51? like the HK53…
Yes they did, Ian on Forgotten Weapons has a video about it, as well as this gun and the HK-33. I'd link it but I don't know how TH-cam feels about links in their comments
Yes, a G3 shortened down to MP5 size. The SAS actually tried a couple very briefly, and then put them away. VERY loud and blasty, terrible to shoot in the dark or in cramped spaces, but at least your enemy will also be disoriented.
Not sure if it was an official release or a diy gun, but there are some g3's out there with mp5k front ends. More a flame thrower than a gun at this point
The HK51 (or rather "MC51") was a G3 shortened to MP5 dimensions, made by a company called FR Ordnance at the request of the UK's Special Forces (SAS / SBS).
As others have pointed out already, firing a 7.62x51 from a barrel that short was *not* a good idea, so the units in question eventually dropped them in favor of an official HK design, the HK53 (which was a shortened version of the 5.56mm HK33).
@@maxjoechl5663 MC51 I think was the moniker given to the two guns which were built on HK21 beltfed 7.62mm machineguns, which were also shortened down to MP5 length.
The comments:
1- Homete, homete, homete neko raifu from GFL
2- Jagged Alliance 2
3- why forward assist on a MP5
Is there a reason Jonathan uses polymer gloves? I noted that Ian from Forgotten Weapons will often use cotton gloves, is there an argument for either to be used?
Or is it perhaps a bit like the use of gloves with old books, where pop-culture said to use gloves but the people actually handling those books found that using gloves wasn't a good idea, and so he wears them just to spare himself the plethora of comments?
Or is it simply what is available to hand in the moment?
I'm guessing it's much simpler than that. Ian is just one guy, so he doesn't need a bunch of different sizes of gloves and can spring for some cotton ones, whereas having cheap, disposable gloves is probably easier for the (presumably) larger staff of the museum with a higher number of hand sizes/roles they need their gloves for.
the forward assist made almost no sense on the ar15/m16, I think it makes even less sense here with the hk slap.
I just used it as an excuse to add another bit of shiny anodized metal to the "pretty" build 😂
Everyone who saw the shot show 2024 coverage has seen this and you can get it from century arms now
Probably haven't heard of? Please, that's the dog/cat/godknowswhatcreature that every SKK knows and loves!
Seeing a forward assist on an HK roller-delayed system is not something I enjoy.
when i hear G41 i think of another gun
Then decades later they did it for real with the HK416.
That front handguard is a Chonkyboi. Maybe it's just the changing preferences in modern rifle design, but that looks thicker than a bowl of oatmeal.
Just wanted to note PTR is now offering the PTR-63. Which is basically a PTR made HK-41. Essentially there are a few small differences. It’s really a bummer that HK didn’t get much success with the HK-41 it a great rifle in my book.
PTR made a really bizarre choice with modernizing the gun. Why would anyone want a bastardized version of a rare rifle that was already old-fashioned when it was made originally? Just make it 1:1 like the original and HK enthusiasts will buy it.
Too bad it looks ugly as hell
The forbidden Long MP5
airsoft version when?
one of the reasons the G11 program was throw into the bin, was the unification of Germany .. the money was needed elsewhere ..
They made the rifle for the americans. American military brass would fall off their mobility scooters, spitting out big macs, at the mere thought of a rifle without a forward assist.
My god it's even got the unnecessary forward assist
Of course I have heard of it, I am a gamer lol
So this is the HR-45. 🤔
You could get a civilian import version as the HK43 and then the HK93 from about the mid-70's until 1989.
Used heavily by the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood of Steel.
Think i saw it in an Arma 3 mod. once
I did say it's a HK rifle of sorts on insta
no one?
okay i'll do it.
"homete"
"We've got those storage holes in the butt."😂😂 Must be prison issue HK.