TurtleWoW - State of the Game Discussion after 1.17.2 Patch

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  • @Complication84
    @Complication84 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Being positive is great to keep the community and dev team from turning into enemies. Constructive criticism is also great because the devs need to know what is going on outside of their view points. Negativity on top of negativity just creates the divide you have between the current blizzard dev team and the community.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Complication84 thank you Complication. Agree whole heartedly.

    • @Complication84
      @Complication84 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@khatack how so?

  • @jamesbaggett3655
    @jamesbaggett3655 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    we need you on the turtle radio.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jamesbaggett3655 thank you for the thought, what an honor that would be

  • @0ne0fmany
    @0ne0fmany หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That's an interesting take.
    I usually tell DPS if they can't wait a second for me to build threat or target the marked enemies in the correct order and they pull aggro, they either come to me, or CC or tank the mob themselves :D
    Because I sure as shit will not turn my back to the mobs and make them cleave through the entire party if it happens.
    So often it happened that I've been trying to taunt a mob that was pulled off of me, and then the player starts running away and I had to chase them halfway through the entire dungeon that it's comical. So I stopped caring about aggro pulls :D

  • @richardmartin7904
    @richardmartin7904 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I would love to see every zone like the night elf starter zone. Hard and brutal but not as much mob density. Twice the leash distance and easier to pull aggro from distance. Bring fear back again. Force players to get good again.

  • @CatEarDad
    @CatEarDad หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Kalgan on Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:19:53 PM PDT
    We're planning to shrink the min range on ranged attacks to reduce or eliminate the "dead zone". The only point to the dead zone was to ensure the min range on ranged weapons was enough such that ranged weapon attacks wouldn't be used while also being melee'd (at least by mobs... players have a bit of slush built in).😉

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh boy. This is interesting news. Thank you CatEarDad for bringing this to the forefront.

  • @Baltux
    @Baltux หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The changes are great for gaining new people.
    Hearing that Survival Melee hunter is now a real thing in classic, was the main reason for me to start playing Turtle. And I am having loads of fun with it while leveling.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Baltux it looks so awesome, I should really get a survival hunter to 60 and see how fun it is firsthand

  • @igggaming9871
    @igggaming9871 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I am new to Turtle WoW and whilst I am enjoying the game, I certainly have felt that I am EXTREMELY powerful and that the game is very easy - more so than typical in Classic WoW as a Paladin.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@igggaming9871 yeah hopefully soon to be addressed

  • @RiddleOfLightning
    @RiddleOfLightning หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    there are some bugs, the threat reducing talent under shaman actually increases threat we learned, might be the same for hunters

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RiddleOfLightning thats interesting! Would love to check that out thanks for the heads up

  • @pcolamojoe8840
    @pcolamojoe8840 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I agree with you about arcane. It always felt like it was a very mana efficient lvling spec and with the new talents from the old patches I think it was in a good place. Now I logged in for patch 1.7.2 and the burst spikes are crazy and mana gets consumed alot faster. Doesn't feel right.

  • @sol6030
    @sol6030 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Spot on with the needed changes, the positivism is needed for a smooth rebalance, it feels like the server is far yet so close to perfection

  • @hawksley8282
    @hawksley8282 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I.17.2 is basically the PTR as they didn't have one so hopefully things will improve. They've acknowledged the easiness which is a big one for me🤞🤞

  • @michaelscarpinato2925
    @michaelscarpinato2925 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Just hitted 60!!!

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Congratz!

  • @pcolamojoe8840
    @pcolamojoe8840 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow I haven't played in awhile and it's true about certain classes getting too buffed. I just solo'ed a sea giant a lvl higher than me without having the need to heal my pet. The scaling to hunters attack power has the pet doing crazy crits.

  • @WetFarts94
    @WetFarts94 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You look like this guy Eli I used to play wow with back when I was a kid hahaha. Just downloaded turtle last night, gonna give it a try

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@WetFarts94 oh yeah? Byron is that you my friend I miss ya.

    • @WetFarts94
      @WetFarts94 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ hahahaha no it’s not but used to play with a Byron too or at least in voice chat.
      Crazy. Used to live in Vegas? And Byron in Cali?

    • @WetFarts94
      @WetFarts94 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Mythix-net I lived in a gated community in summerlin and went to Palo Verde. You look and sound spot on to this guy Eli I played wow with from time to time and got in ventrilo with (also with a Byron)

  • @IvkePandica
    @IvkePandica หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Where else can we follow you, do you have other socials?

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey IvkePandica, if you need me you can reach me on X via x.com/Mythixnet or on discord I am always available in the userlist at TurtleWoW's discord server.

  • @HellHoKitty-s7d
    @HellHoKitty-s7d หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My husband who is a fresh wow player his warrior is his first character in WoW. Even he says it was easier to hold the agro before the patch. The need to offset the threat generation of warriors to meet that for the damage from mages etc. As a healer myself I have even seen paladins having the same issue and they were supposed to be buffed+. It now takes two tanks to run a dungeon in TWoW. They definitely need to do some balancing.

  • @wvjeepguy8178
    @wvjeepguy8178 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I played in the past but just came back and currently leveling a Demo lock.
    The biggest difference I've seen is there is a huge influx of griefers and trolls in the last couple of weeks.
    The Turtle WoW hype has attracted a whole lot of undesirable players.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wvjeepguy8178 there are some goober gankers on here for sure

  • @notKevinFeige
    @notKevinFeige หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I only played a few days but so far im loving it

  • @verenov77
    @verenov77 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Not sure on how 'easy' the game is. As a level 24 rogue, I tried to solo a level 20 elite for a quest in Durotar, and got absolutely destroyed. Popped every cooldown, used potion and life-draining skull (from earlier quest), and had decent gear (mostly magic/rare). So, I'm not really feeling the "ease" of combat. Got a warlock to help with the elite. He was level 20 (equal with the mob), and he nearly died after losing the VW. I was able to use some sticky glue to help with the fight, but we still nearly lost 2v1. So, in that fight, the game felt very fair and tough.
    Maybe it's the closer you get to end-game, but early game still feels challenging to me...at least on the rogue.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@verenov77 hrmm, I see thank you for bringing this up Ill have to run some lower character tests again to see.
      Worthy of note though, Redridge is actually designed for groups to run together. The elites and dark gnolls have high damage output thats abnormal to the rest of the game

    • @verenov77
      @verenov77 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Mythix-net Oh, definitely for sure Redridge. No way I would even attempt to solo there. I was speaking of the new Turtle WoW quests vs the Alliance on the island south of Durotar. There are two elites there that are surrounded by mobs. However, you can pull each without aggroing the elites, so you can attempt to fight them alone (or, at the least with just one 'weak' mob). However, that one elite (not the paladin bodyguard elite) that you need the head of absolutely destroyed my rogue 1v1. I unloaded on that freak and got him down to 1/2 hp. In other words, it turned out as I expected, lol, but being a rogue I had to try. You're not a rogue if you don't die, lol.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@verenov77 Oh man im so sorry, I responded too fast because I didnt want to keep you waiting on the first response and needed to read that again, for some reason my mind jumped straight to Redridge. You were never talking about Redridge my bad haha.
      Yeah I think alot of players I am seeing solo elites are in the 40's - 50's range so I will definitely have to boot up a lower level character and do another round of testing in your area.

    • @Lastninjaxoxoxoxox
      @Lastninjaxoxoxoxox หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@verenov77 The turtle wow custom quests are also usually a bit (a lot) over tuned. An example being killing the big spider in teldrassil and killing the treant in teldrassil where the custom quest treant has twice the hp and same dmg. But the playerbase are also better now than in 2004 so maybe thats fair.

  • @ThePontificius
    @ThePontificius หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Just waiting for the warlock buff, just waiting

  • @Beastmann3d
    @Beastmann3d หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Have to agree with you on player patience when doing dungeons. Nobody lets you even hit the mob before they start blitzing it and then wonder what happened when you couldnt hold agro and the party wipes. I play a prot warrior and was partnered with a shamman that was 3 or 4 levels lower than me. We ended up dying multiple times because they insisted on tanking the mobs instead of focusing on healing me. They even admitted the mobs were hitting them too hard but, instead of agreeing to let the prot warrior with more than double their HP do the tanking, they said I needed to focus on damaging the target they were tanking. If they couldnt handle the one mob hitting them how were they supposed to handle the other two that I was able to maintain threat on? Players need to be able to adjust their play to the situation at hand. Let the tank get solid threat and build up your dps as the fight progresses, think of it as opposite rotation to when soloing, start with dots and end with nova.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah man its crazy, in some hardcore circles if you start dpsing a mob before sunders are on the target its a bootable offense.
      After patch people have been really blitzing immediately haha.

  • @D3F1B
    @D3F1B หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As a Solo Sub Rogue who enjoys PvP I'm noticing that classes I should be strong against I'm struggling now.
    They now have more counters, shields, kiting skills and dots to take me down. If I can't re-enter stealth I'm done for.
    I'm not a fan if the Sub support role. I preferred the Sub solo pvp assassin before.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@D3F1B Yeah man I miss seeing rogues dominate with subt spec too. It was amazing : (

  • @Composer_
    @Composer_ หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I want the game to be hard.

  • @mlaurence08
    @mlaurence08 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Prior to 1.17.2, I viewed TWoW as a great example of how to make small, conservative changes to a game to address pain points without falling into the trap of never-ending "balancing". I am very concerned with the recent changes and listening to how you describe their effects in your play is harrowing.

    • @nicksalvatore5717
      @nicksalvatore5717 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Harrowing..? 😂 the changes have been amazing. It’s literally fucking fantastic

  • @Lastninjaxoxoxoxox
    @Lastninjaxoxoxoxox หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In relation to the ruined playstyles, even though fury does the same dmg as before the patch (maybe even more) I dont find it as fun cuz the dmg of BT and execute is nerfed and you are stressing the whole raid about enrage procs. At least arms with the bugged decisive strike is very fun.

  • @DaniDaDevil
    @DaniDaDevil หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Warlocks have been shit for a long time. Thats why I have stopped playing in turtle wow. Warlocks were forgotten since the classic + experience. No lock items. No lock buffs to consistensy. No new skills. We got nerfs after nerfs after item nerfs (yes bloodvine went to shit and nothing came to replace it). Hope you guys have fun but I am not going back.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sorry to hear that man, they are awesome in PvP and they have added more debuff slots but I think alot of Warlocks are jealous of the Mage buffs that just dropped. They were really nice. Arcane is completely revised and super fun.

    • @DaniDaDevil
      @DaniDaDevil หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Mythix-net Thanks brother. I left a year ago when I saw that warlocks never got anything. I do hope they find a balance in the future for all classes.

  • @tia_lenay
    @tia_lenay หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really want to play turtle wow but it says my information is invalid. any idea why this might be? not getting much help from Forum

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where are you seeing this on the website of turtle wow or when your trying to login to Warcraft?

    • @tia_lenay
      @tia_lenay หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ when trying to log into Warcraft

    • @mastrbutcher
      @mastrbutcher หลายเดือนก่อน

      Try reset password?

    • @Michael-hm8cs
      @Michael-hm8cs หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have you set the realmlist to twow?

  • @ryuno2097
    @ryuno2097 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    make Twow Great again

    • @ryuno2097
      @ryuno2097 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i love the changes to ret paladins. But now i'll wait until I see if there are any changes to the pvp gear or system. I mostly pvp, I dont raid much anymore, so getting those r13 r14 pvp gear is my goal. So for now, i'm on a break from Twow.

  • @ayrill
    @ayrill หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    for me, i started on turtle wow 3 weeks ago and started as mage for the first time ever (tried the aoe leveling and realy loved it) and they literly killed it for me.. also that new pve talent that freeze the mage in place is just stupid as hell.. for raiding and for dungeons.. who want to be frozen in place and if you move you damage yourself? thats just retarded..
    Mage sits now at lvl 30 and i quit it to play something else.. (dont like arcane) so i went for a pala tank now, facerolls questing and i can still masspull aoe grind..
    i realy hope the bring the old frost mage stuff back.. if not i gonna stick with paladin or maybe try druid..

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree the frost mage should be brought back

  • @keepgoing7533
    @keepgoing7533 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not to show disrespect, but there are talents that increase threat for warriors, paladins and druids.
    Even shaman can talent their totems' threat to be redirected to them.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@keepgoing7533 ive been playing the game 20 years, Its not an issue of talents its just that damage on all classes is much much higher right now causing two issues
      Threat spikes on bursts of damage scattering it (more than 1 class is doing higher damage so you have multiple spikes)
      And second, content is alot easier because power creep.
      Again its not a complaint of “we cant do it” its an acknowledgement of drifting in a new direction that doesnt fit the original intent or the vanilla design
      Usually im very positive on these but im trying to focus on important pain points to help the dev team hone the game into an even better place than it is.
      This isnt to say im not incredibly happy or thankful for the improvements thus far you know what I mean.

  • @ricardin2498
    @ricardin2498 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As a Paladin Tank with good gear currently lvl 32 im having a lot of fun, n HC mode theres a few bad players to team up an the warrior tanks are saying they can have more rage to perform a better job, maybe n normies that can be another stuff, but as hc char im asure you, the changes a r awesome ;) n tanking mode ;)

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Ricardin I appreciate the feedback and I agree that the majority of the changes here are incredible.
      I wanted to try and focus on constructive efforts based on what im hearing and feeling in communities today but I feel you for sure.

    • @KNByam
      @KNByam หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's because if you made it to that level without dying, you know what you're doing.

  • @MycketTuff
    @MycketTuff 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    By power creeping like this it'll spiral out of control unless they reel it back a bit. PvP gear is looking weaker and weaker and the incentive to actually spend time on getting R14 is greatly diminished. Soon people are going to ask for vanilla twow rofl.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MycketTuff right now in PvP the majority of people are rocking raid gear and absolutely wrecking shop.
      I played with a rogue yesterday who had Thunderfury and was killing everyone in less than 3 seconds who also had raid gear it was amazing

  • @Jh-ux1qv
    @Jh-ux1qv หลายเดือนก่อน

    Trying to play turtle but keep getting Error 131 and 132 so game crashing to mutch, unplayable for me.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Jh-ux1qv hrmm, have you tried uninstall and reinstall. Make sure you get your addons and macros from your files though

    • @mastrbutcher
      @mastrbutcher หลายเดือนก่อน

      Make sure you have vertex animation shaders & smooth shading checked!

    • @mastrbutcher
      @mastrbutcher หลายเดือนก่อน

      Make sure you have vertex animation shaders & smooth shading checked!

    • @Jh-ux1qv
      @Jh-ux1qv หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mastrbutcher Im leaving turtle wow, redownloaded, added everything tweaks, still crashes with error 131 and 132, no clue how to fix it now. NO RESPONDS from community either! only dushes pressing .crash on discord, ive redownloaded and trying to fix everything 10x times now. i realy want to play but i cant.

  • @davidbanterford3216
    @davidbanterford3216 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For me I wanna see more and better pvp gear. You can't get into turtle now and do pvp and rank without getting blown up by naxx geared spriests and shammies. You can farm the blue pvp gear but it is so hugely outscaled by anything in pve.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah I see what your saying, I do like that all gear is viable for both PvE and PvP for sure but it would be cool to have more PvP gear your right.

  • @gee2k6
    @gee2k6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hunter aspiring PvPer...im ruined. Im very surprised by your comments about hunters, we lost so much for escaping. Nerf to wingclip spam, shared cd on scatter and trap not to mention warrior (your class) taking our counterattack ability. PvP is busy, i feel i have to do so much to get away from any melee right now and by the time i do im almost dead, unless im allowed to stand like a turret i can barely get any shots off. I feel like im a worse ranged damage dealer than most things right now whilst having a dead zone.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gee2k6 The secret power for hunters right now is survival spec.
      Marksman feels like it has more advantages PvE wise right now.
      Lets keep playing and trying it together my friend, things are changing daily for the better. I definitely see what you mean for range only hunters.

  • @Jh-ux1qv
    @Jh-ux1qv หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im leaving turtle wow, redownloaded, added everything tweaks, still crashes with error 131 and 132, no clue how to fix it now. NO RESPONDS from community either! only dushes pressing .crash on discord, ive redownloaded and trying to fix everything 10x times now. i realy want to play but i cant.

    • @Mythix-net
      @Mythix-net  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Man thats crazy ive never heard of that issue prior to today.
      Are you playing on PC or linux?

    • @Jh-ux1qv
      @Jh-ux1qv หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Mythix-net Pc, new one with 4070 etc, tested and tryed stuff for day's, theres more and more having that issue on the support channel in turtle disc now i see. Thanks for answering :) sorry my massages is a little negative but i rly want to just be able to play the game xD

  • @Crrtruban
    @Crrtruban หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Oh shit, well if you're gonna include my comment be kind of a dick to not be subscribed lol
    But real talk, if they're willing to put in TLC, we should be willing to put in decent criticism without calling the devs morons or what not. But as someone who chose a paladin, feels nice leveling rn

  • @a.f.7650
    @a.f.7650 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As I was saying … nerf players for 35-50% otherwise it will be the same bloated festering dead fish.