The fact that after donning the helm, he didn't go on a rampage, instead sitting on the throne, victorious, isolated and alone, completely in control without any frills and yet a slave at the same time, is what makes this scene unique.
It's the culmination of a dark materialist story; someone who was so obsessed with the image of kingship that he'd be happy to be the figurehead of a dead kingdom and, eventually, the unthinking vessel of the ultimate king. A trophy of a prince-that-was-promised on Ner'zhul's mantlepiece. We watch Arthas completely annihilate what it means to be himself and know that, despite the horror of that, this is what he wants now. It is beautiful, its resonant, its dark, its byronically heroic. It's the best story that Warcraft ever told. It's also where Warcraft stopped trying afterwards.
They said at blizzcon that they weren't going to remake them, these are the exact same cinematics, only when they were originally released they couldn't show them in full quality
Wrath was the best xpac for pve, but as a pvp player, the game got better in Cataclysm and MoP. WoD was dogshit all around. Legion was just as good as Wrath for PvE, but pvp in both xpacs are unbalanced dogshit. BFA has been pretty decent for me, it doesn't deserve all the hate.
the fact that THIS is actually the first thing I saw when I first launched the game... it blows my mind. I thought okay, it's some cool spire, probably in Norhrend, i guess we'll return there at some point. Then, after this cinematic, the cycle was complete, the menu popped on its chains, and I was just speechless, with tears in my eyes. I didn't know yet there wasn't going to be Warcraft IV... They did a good thing with WoW, but for me, it's an open ended story forever, well, frozen in this moment
My thoughts back then were very similar as well, it just seemed that after this ending, without showing any more carnage or more missions it left to guessing that the world of azeroth was doomed, an open ending that back then seemed like we just doomed the world we played in all along
As a kid I really wished for Warcraft IV, but now I'm not so sure. If there was a very talented team then yeah I'd be hyped af, but not with modern blizzard. I'd much rather have them leave my childhood game alone.
Reminds me of back when Blizzard still existed. Activision-Blizzard has nothing to do with the Blizzard that made the original Warcraft 3 besides part of the name - the entirety of the crew that worked on that game and the others that made Blizz who they were have crumbled away over the years, with the last few big names that mattered going away in the last few years.
I always enjoyed this cinematic. There he sits, on his throne at the edge of the world, a bitter parody of himself, a king of ice and ruins ruling over a vast nothingness. I guess you did it, Arthas.
I never understood how the spire seemed to be inside of a closed space but then it wasn't and there were any signs all around that he made the place collapse. I also never understood why it seems like there's water surrounding the glacier (which it's what it's supposed to be) but a whole ass citadel was built all around it in WoW
I mean, as he is putting on the helmet you can clearly see the outer part collapsing, very clearly. As for water? I mean all of Icecrown is one big glacier, even in WoW. And the LK can control ice so he just freezes more of it to then build on? I don't think its really a plot hole
@@CaolanlikesPIE What I meant is that I knew it collapsed but there wasn't anything around showing the effects of the huge ass cave collapsing, and there's literally no water inside Icecrown, specially the part in which the citadel was built. I get that he could've frozen the water but I doesn't look like ice at all in wow. Not a complain, just an interesting and weird detail
@@CaolanlikesPIE But a glacier is the build up of snow over hundred of years between mountains. The glacier will grind out a valley, as well as firm a compact layer of ice. So, the best explanation would be... He had the Frozen Throne moved.
There are SO MANY awesome details in the final scene of W3: Arthas is posed in the classic pose of Conan the Barbarian when he is king, but unlike Conan Arthas is a slave The color blue that is usually associated with good turns into a cold, souless being The fact that one of the VILLIANS in the story wins at the end The sad, melancholic opera that tells us this was not meant to be The image of a king, sitting in his throne... alone How the ice is already forming on him, and he is unmuting, uncaring about it
Was he a slave? Arthas’ soul was held by the Lich King, who was now him. It’s still ironically tragic, because he now finally fulfilled what he said he would do at the end of the Scourge of Lordaeron: he succeeded his father and became king.
Now this was the Warcraft I loved. Dawn your champion's, build your army, dominate your foes. Enjoy the cinematics. Grab a soda and slice of pizza. Celebrate your victory, and brag about it, to your buddies. XD Well, they plot their Revenge. Come the next match.
@@DirigibleTomato I was hoping for the ingame cutscenes to be done, like initially announced, but then complaing "NO CHANGES TO LORE". I never expected the cinematics to be redone like the initial intro.
@@viktorijasun3082 they 100% said they would update the campaign with current lore and voice acting at least, they changed their mind mid development. Not sure about cinematics, the team was tiny also.
@@morgoth9671 Well Blizzard never promised that, they literal said they will only be reworking them to HD the intro trailer was for show reel only, so your disappointment is on you, not Blizzard. sorry to say :(
This is what I imagined Jon Snow to do after he was exiled to the North. He finally takes the ice throne and probably marries a reanimated Ygritte. And has like an army of ice spiders.
@@Dziandziel As for the area around ICC, I will say right away that the area in WoW has been scaled and it does not look like this cinematic. probably in the place where this water basin was built ICC. By this i can explain why in Wow it looks like it looks :)
A problem I noticed about this Reforged cinematic is that every bit of sound and noise has been enhanced and volume increased, which unfortunately drowns out the singing and part of the music, a little let down there
and after he became the lichking his first degree to the mindless undead was too BUILD A GIANTIC CASTLE made of Saronite and wait until WotLK expansion came out......
Well Arthas got what he wished, defeated any threat to his kingdom (by destroying it lmao), after he did that it was already too late, mindwashing by LK too stronk so he didn't have a choice really, and as for the waiting he did wage war with the Nerubians iirc between throne and wrath and he also had to "unite" the entire continent iirc so yeah there's that
@@martinljavo4917 Nah, Nerubian war was before/thats what Nerzhul did solo (why Anub is even a thing and why you have the traitor king like upon taking the shortcut through the ruined kingdoms).
About "Complete the circle...", sounds very same like Teron Gorefiend, in Black Temple he says the same. And the Frozen Throne is exactly in the middle of the Ziggurat tower style thing. So and the Iceblock with the Crown of the LichKing (Helm of Domination) it looks very much like a Spirit Tower of Undead. p.s. I played W3 first time in 2004, but I just realized the Soundtrack at the end of this cinematic is the same as in the World of Warcraft - WOTLK.
N'Zoth mentions completing the circle right after the Carapace fight in BFA... Il'gynoth means a long circle being almost complete during Legion before engaging him. Whatever the circle is might find some closure in the Shadowlands?
Sad, when the game remaster was announced in e3 i immediatelly was so excited to see this exact cinematic reworked from scratch and was about to buy the game for this scene alone. What a dissapointment.
Theres a version thats properly upscaled with AI and was rendered in 60 fps with even better audio.. Looks x10 better than this. They cant even do this properly.
You people need to understand something. When you have something that is just perfect , you keep it. Change video quality to a better one, yes ! And that's it. Good job Blizzard. And for the rest of you : Something new is not always better.
Damn, game was made in the 90s, all they did was upscale everything and it really do be lookin fresh Altough I gotta say it'd have been cooler if they actually remade this and not just upscale
Back when the bad guys could win in an expansion. This was some of the best storytelling Blizzard ever achieved. Now look where we are.
SonofaGib isnt it goes the same? Now the bad guys (blizzard) is tried to win this expansion
I loved the last mission of the frozen throne because it was basically evil vs evil (and two fans favorite characters)
*cough* sylvanas the stinkin super saiyan
No story goes forever.
Funny thing is in blizzard, all expansions won the bad guys
The fact that after donning the helm, he didn't go on a rampage, instead sitting on the throne, victorious, isolated and alone, completely in control without any frills and yet a slave at the same time, is what makes this scene unique.
The metaphor of a person who become success in life by sacrificing others like his friends and family
It's the culmination of a dark materialist story; someone who was so obsessed with the image of kingship that he'd be happy to be the figurehead of a dead kingdom and, eventually, the unthinking vessel of the ultimate king. A trophy of a prince-that-was-promised on Ner'zhul's mantlepiece. We watch Arthas completely annihilate what it means to be himself and know that, despite the horror of that, this is what he wants now.
It is beautiful, its resonant, its dark, its byronically heroic. It's the best story that Warcraft ever told. It's also where Warcraft stopped trying afterwards.
😢@@archravenineteenseventeen
Took a few years to merge, don't overthinking 😂
it was a Infinity War ending without an Endgame to ''fix it''.
This cinematic is exactly same as the original ending cinematic in frozen throne. Nothing changed.
They improved the resolution to HD is all.
Not gonna lie, I was hoping for a cinematic similar to the CGI WoW expansion trailers.
@@blubushie They promised 4k ... its not even 4k upscaled
@@Ohnan12 And Arthas would be played by Joe Rogan but that didn't happen. booo
Right now I am glad for the parts they did NOT touch...
They said at blizzcon that they weren't going to remake them, these are the exact same cinematics, only when they were originally released they couldn't show them in full quality
Tell them only that the Lich King is dead.
And fans died with him.
Wrath was the best xpac for pve, but as a pvp player, the game got better in Cataclysm and MoP. WoD was dogshit all around. Legion was just as good as Wrath for PvE, but pvp in both xpacs are unbalanced dogshit. BFA has been pretty decent for me, it doesn't deserve all the hate.
And the most devoted fans yet remain.
the people paid for HD xd
Where's my artifact stalker ?!
@@plague6174 ret paladin were OP
Thus, one of the greatest Warcraft villians was born... and one of the best instrumental piece from blizzard.
no. this is where the greatest villain of warcraft ended. because afterwards wow shat on every single lore caracter
@@thahoule7924 they fixed illidan, but yeah everyone else
No, Arthas was born long ago and his claiming of the Frostmourn happened long ago.
A time before activision.
Long live the king ,may he reign forever,may his strength fail him never!
I killed him and farmed him for Invincible.
You're a relic a ghost of a past age.Yet he will be remembered forever.
*Sharpens Shadowmourne*
You were saying?
Thats what I would sing to blizzard... But no king rules forever
lol he died in 2010
Still to this day, Arthas remains my favorite story blizzard ever told.
Agreed
True brother Shadowlands will be epic!
@@YargusKhan It's a shame that statement didn't age well.
@@YargusKhan LMAO
Today, the corpse of Blizz is being puppeted around by Bobby the goblin and their shareholders. That's another tragic fall, i guess.
the fact that THIS is actually the first thing I saw when I first launched the game... it blows my mind. I thought okay, it's some cool spire, probably in Norhrend, i guess we'll return there at some point. Then, after this cinematic, the cycle was complete, the menu popped on its chains, and I was just speechless, with tears in my eyes. I didn't know yet there wasn't going to be Warcraft IV... They did a good thing with WoW, but for me, it's an open ended story forever, well, frozen in this moment
My thoughts back then were very similar as well, it just seemed that after this ending, without showing any more carnage or more missions it left to guessing that the world of azeroth was doomed, an open ending that back then seemed like we just doomed the world we played in all along
Be glad Warcraft the RTS game ended on such a high note.
As a kid I really wished for Warcraft IV, but now I'm not so sure. If there was a very talented team then yeah I'd be hyped af, but not with modern blizzard. I'd much rather have them leave my childhood game alone.
2:16
Arthas: I'm just gonna take a nap....for five years.
I wish we got Warcraft IV instead. WoW was a mistake.
@@TK_GX totally!!!
@@TK_GX I don't think so
@@TK_GX not for developers for sure
Fear GX Why? It has amazing potential
reminds me of back when blizzard made good games.
Reminds me of back when Blizzard still existed. Activision-Blizzard has nothing to do with the Blizzard that made the original Warcraft 3 besides part of the name - the entirety of the crew that worked on that game and the others that made Blizz who they were have crumbled away over the years, with the last few big names that mattered going away in the last few years.
Back when Blizzard still had a soul...
@@Red0543 Blame Activision for that
@@pisse3000 blizzard sold the company them so they are part of the blame
... they still do, get lost. God. I did not clicked on pretty cinematic to read that kind of nonsense every time.
I wanted a modern remake of this scene for years and this is what I get.
2:16 ah, it's just too epic.
The wallpaper back in 2003 with our 1024x768 resolution monitor.
and sad...if you read the Arthas:Rise of the Lich King novel
the song is basically like a mourning choir for Arthas... a deal with the Dev
Salute my Death Knight Brothers....
Suffer well.
Tomorow is another day.
What is dead may never die
@@Struggler_203 **The Old Gods have entered the chatroom**
Emerald Knight I love how we're all constantly channeling Scarlet O'Hara 💁🏻
Glory to the one true king -for the scourge
u cant rework a masterpiece
I always enjoyed this cinematic. There he sits, on his throne at the edge of the world, a bitter parody of himself, a king of ice and ruins ruling over a vast nothingness. I guess you did it, Arthas.
So epic. Its a classic.
After 15 years this cinematic still sends shivers down my spine…
The voice when he says "NOW WE ARE ONE!"
What a good Reforged!
It looks as same as the 2003 version!
It's hard to improve something perfect
I never understood how the spire seemed to be inside of a closed space but then it wasn't and there were any signs all around that he made the place collapse. I also never understood why it seems like there's water surrounding the glacier (which it's what it's supposed to be) but a whole ass citadel was built all around it in WoW
You saw that the inside was crumbling if you take a closer look. It was inside, but it collapsed. The water, though, I have no clue.
I mean, as he is putting on the helmet you can clearly see the outer part collapsing, very clearly. As for water? I mean all of Icecrown is one big glacier, even in WoW. And the LK can control ice so he just freezes more of it to then build on? I don't think its really a plot hole
@@CaolanlikesPIE What I meant is that I knew it collapsed but there wasn't anything around showing the effects of the huge ass cave collapsing, and there's literally no water inside Icecrown, specially the part in which the citadel was built. I get that he could've frozen the water but I doesn't look like ice at all in wow. Not a complain, just an interesting and weird detail
@@CaolanlikesPIE But a glacier is the build up of snow over hundred of years between mountains. The glacier will grind out a valley, as well as firm a compact layer of ice.
So, the best explanation would be... He had the Frozen Throne moved.
THIS!!!
Me: hearing Arthas my son.
My body: OH ?! it's time to get chills like everytime !
Woooooord !
I’m old and played this back in the day. Arthus was crazy as hell lol.
And the greatest legend is born, so as he did so many years ago, with 1% of difference between the graphics
Ahh the helm....you will be missed...
2:40 imagine going all the way up and then step on a more slippery piece of ice & fall down
WoW's Arthas theme is joyful and heroic
This one is tragic
I will never forgive Blizzard for taking one of the most epic helmets and changing it to an uncommon item.
Shoulda been a legendary
Wow expansion then: war and bloodshed
Wow expansion now: friendship is magic
There are SO MANY awesome details in the final scene of W3:
Arthas is posed in the classic pose of Conan the Barbarian when he is king, but unlike Conan Arthas is a slave
The color blue that is usually associated with good turns into a cold, souless being
The fact that one of the VILLIANS in the story wins at the end
The sad, melancholic opera that tells us this was not meant to be
The image of a king, sitting in his throne... alone
How the ice is already forming on him, and he is unmuting, uncaring about it
Was he a slave? Arthas’ soul was held by the Lich King, who was now him. It’s still ironically tragic, because he now finally fulfilled what he said he would do at the end of the Scourge of Lordaeron: he succeeded his father and became king.
@@diamondmetal3062 Arthas soul was ripped out of his body, so his soul was technically enslaved
@@mutalord Yeah, but by the Lich King. His soul was under the Lich King’s command, but he became the Lich King himself.
@@diamondmetal3062 yeah, but I have always interpreted that in WoW, when you lose your soul, you are a different entity
And in shadowlands ends like some piece of light with no crown, no throne, even no soul..
I don’t think I know a better computer game than this story wise… what can compete with such a legend?
To the folks saying they didn't update it, they actually did. Quality's certainly better and I think they redid the lighting.
LOL stop kidding yourself!
Lol, if you think they remade it, just watch the thrall vision cinematic xd they did nothing
King Bob they really didn’t do anything. They only updated the cinematic shown at blizzcon, and the arthas v illidan cutscene
Definetly not, theres a Warcraft 3 Cinematics HD video here since like 2012 and looks exactly the same
They just remastered them.
That’s not reforged, graphics are too good to be reforged 😂
it's the same as 2003 i guess
Shadowlands, you have one chance.
After that mess known as 8.3 I’m pretty that chance is gone
*zero
Come on guys showdowlands ant out yet but bfa didn't do so well
It doesn't even stand a chance lol
After the mess known as BfA Im pretty sure that chance is gone
Я не плачу, просто Фростморн в глаз попал! 🥲
There must always be a Lich King
Sylvanas : Oh yeah? Hold my beer.
For farming Invincible
Laughs in shadowland
There must always be a 20 dollar flying mount in store !
We say this in my workplace whenever we lose a manager.
Now this was the Warcraft I loved.
Dawn your champion's, build your army, dominate your foes. Enjoy the cinematics.
Grab a soda and slice of pizza. Celebrate your victory, and brag about it, to your buddies. XD
Well, they plot their Revenge. Come the next match.
Guys. We've known these wouldn't be remade for quite some time now. Yes it sucks, hugely so in fact, but it's not breaking news.
why would you want these remade? they were perfect.
@@Brandon-yr3nj 10/10
lmao did people seriously think the cutscenes would be remade? You'd be waiting until 2025 for the game if they did that
@@DirigibleTomato I was hoping for the ingame cutscenes to be done, like initially announced, but then complaing "NO CHANGES TO LORE". I never expected the cinematics to be redone like the initial intro.
My King... For the Scourge!!!
There's nothing different in this cinematic compared to the old one
I'm impressed you actually made it to the end to record this. Can't freaking boot up any mission.
They seriously didn’t update the cinematic to today’s quality? Disappointing
What did you expect? They barely got the game ready for release. It needed more dev time to update campaign and all.
Roberto Urbas I expected better. I saw beta videos and the game doesn’t even relatively finished.
They actually said they won't do it when they've announced it.
I agree, but what do you expect it’s modern day blizzard
@@viktorijasun3082 they 100% said they would update the campaign with current lore and voice acting at least, they changed their mind mid development. Not sure about cinematics, the team was tiny also.
I cant Dislike this , but this is old version nothing changed WTF
It's remastered.
@@MrShadowThief That will be 30 euros plz
A pity, this was the one I was looking forward to the most.
Why is it a pity? You're watching it?
Its what they communicated
@@Ellthom most of us hoped for a remaster, like they did for the trailer cinemativ
@@morgoth9671 Well Blizzard never promised that, they literal said they will only be reworking them to HD the intro trailer was for show reel only, so your disappointment is on you, not Blizzard. sorry to say :(
Yeah, sorry guys, it's not Blizzard's fault that you don't listen. I'm even surprised they remastered another cinematic with Arthas vs Illidan
Since everything blizzard touches lately turns to 💩, it’s good they left this classic piece alone.
wow, he sure has a long way to walk to go to the bathroom from his throne
This is what I imagined Jon Snow to do after he was exiled to the North. He finally takes the ice throne and probably marries a reanimated Ygritte. And has like an army of ice spiders.
The Best end 😂
1:56 - 2:06 - chills...
Maybe it is good that they did nothing with these cinematic's....
After all, they still look good
But the environment around ICC was retconed, isn't it? Maybe it risen in ice by magic, idk.
@@Dziandziel No, the Citadel was built around the throne
@@Dziandziel As for the area around ICC, I will say right away that the area in WoW has been scaled and it does not look like this cinematic. probably in the place where this water basin was built ICC. By this i can explain why in Wow it looks like it looks :)
@@Ezorn Of couse, saronitan ICC was build after, but on stout iceland.
@@quarhon So that is the reason to remaster this cinematic :D
Thank you Sylvanas for making an expansion by whooping Bolvar arse 3 minutes.
A problem I noticed about this Reforged cinematic is that every bit of sound and noise has been enhanced and volume increased, which unfortunately drowns out the singing and part of the music, a little let down there
and after he became the lichking his first degree to the mindless undead was too BUILD A GIANTIC CASTLE made of Saronite and wait until WotLK expansion came out......
Well Arthas got what he wished, defeated any threat to his kingdom (by destroying it lmao), after he did that it was already too late, mindwashing by LK too stronk so he didn't have a choice really, and as for the waiting he did wage war with the Nerubians iirc between throne and wrath and he also had to "unite" the entire continent iirc so yeah there's that
@@martinljavo4917 Nah, Nerubian war was before/thats what Nerzhul did solo (why Anub is even a thing and why you have the traitor king like upon taking the shortcut through the ruined kingdoms).
@@ANDELE3025 right, gotcha, sorry my wc3 lore is a bit rusty 😀
There must always be a Lich King.
Except for the fact there wasn't before he put on the crown
@@trelixz7138 Ner'zhul says hello
@@szabolcsmolnar4455 sylvanas say hello
@Alexanderiel Well nobody was a lich king before he was turned into the armour by Kil'jaeden.
The Best Game of all Wrc 3 Frozen Throne !
The best explanation bizz ever done
About "Complete the circle...", sounds very same like Teron Gorefiend, in Black Temple he says the same.
And the Frozen Throne is exactly in the middle of the Ziggurat tower style thing. So and the Iceblock with the Crown of the LichKing (Helm of Domination) it looks very much like a Spirit Tower of Undead.
p.s. I played W3 first time in 2004, but I just realized the Soundtrack at the end of this cinematic is the same as in the World of Warcraft - WOTLK.
N'Zoth mentions completing the circle right after the Carapace fight in BFA... Il'gynoth means a long circle being almost complete during Legion before engaging him. Whatever the circle is might find some closure in the Shadowlands?
Warcraft3 reforged. That remake what never give.
I am back a small kid on elementary school playing this game :D
Sad, when the game remaster was announced in e3 i immediatelly was so excited to see this exact cinematic reworked from scratch and was about to buy the game for this scene alone. What a dissapointment.
You can actually see valkyr flying around at the end so cool
I never noticed that, that's so cool
Lmao you're reaching man those are birds
Back then they were seagulls and they are still seagulls today.
The last boss we got to take down by our own hands... and not watching someone else do it in cut scenes
We didn't kill him
Theres a version thats properly upscaled with AI and was rendered in 60 fps with even better audio.. Looks x10 better than this.
They cant even do this properly.
goosebumps every time
The hardest choices take the strongest wills....heavy is the head that wears the crown
Blizzard: We improved the resolution a bit...so you can buy it now :)
I hoped they would consider the neuro network enhanced version. It looks fantastic.
A crown for a king!
Why they dont do a Movie about Arthas Story line
Meanwhile, Yogg'saron is giggling in delight.
This is the true ending of the Warcraft universe.
Literal cash grab from Blizzard's end with Reforged. I would be embarrassed.
2003: 720p
2020: 4K
Done!!!!
Done! You can pay me now.
*My love for Blizzard began with Warcraft 3, and died yesterday with Warcraft 3*
The circle has completed.
how ironic...
This was dope! Love the cinematic music
To be continued...
In World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King.
You people need to understand something. When you have something that is just perfect , you keep it.
Change video quality to a better one, yes ! And that's it.
Good job Blizzard.
And for the rest of you :
Something new is not always better.
When you look at the regorged trailer cinematic, yes new is better
Back before the WoW expansion model forced the plot to churn out bigger and badder antagonists every couple years
Hello, for the person who says this isent updated check sword reflection and after check old cinematic
Its our big boy arthas
How did we go from this to Zovaal the mastermind of everything and Arthas soul got disenchanted .......-_____-
AAh...the glorious days of warcraft. When the Lich King was actually plannign things.
I miss you Blizzard...
Damn, game was made in the 90s, all they did was upscale everything and it really do be lookin fresh
Altough I gotta say it'd have been cooler if they actually remade this and not just upscale
Damn its a shame they didnt made series or movie worth of the warcraft lore......
Wellp, I'm sad again. Good job.
Happy ending.
Haha indeed, until they make a Warcraft IV this is the ending for me.
Tell me, what is being made nowadays that is on this level?
WoW died with the Lich King.
Warcraft died with WoW.
No, wait. It died with WC3.
bruh,another kid..
Is there any difference between the reforged and the original versions of this cutsceens?
HD Quality...? :'v
@@SuperPaco108 no it's exactly the same. There is no difference whatsoever
the sky is broken, like shadowlands
One word:chills
For a moment I thought it was Alucard of castlevania
the truthly Lich King
I wish Blizzard could have expanded the song at the end for the reforged edition
And to think, he built a citadel around that dinky little ice spire.
Tbh he had a massive work force that is the scourge so its probably no big deal
we all quit warcraft when he die don't we?
yes!
Nice, and where is Reforget cinematic?
This just looks like a texture pack on the OG cinematic...
The Lich King was my favorite character in WC3 and WoW. Until WotLK, where they /completely/ ruined him.
and what better scenario would you write?
I think it's not Reforged. I can't see any difference with the Classic one.