They keep saying that extra judicial murder is wrong, but why isn't it wrong to do it by withholding necessary medical care? Why aren't the people speaking for the health insurance companies required to make these repeated disclaimers?
They keep trying to spin it like Americans are just displeased with the inconveniences with health insurance and its bureaucracy intentionally ignoring the gripe and struggles we have with a predatory system that kills hundreds of thousands for the sake of corporate profiy and that justifies it's own existence
I work for Fedex. Unfortunately we have united healthcare and one of my coworkers is constantly telling me how the insurance company is turning down medications for his back pain and headaches. I think ALL companies should drop united Immediately.
it’s our only choice as well. I am almost 60 and on one medication only and they consistently question my doctor as to why I need it. Then sometimes they approve 90 day supply - other times they decide to only approve 30 day supply so my doctor has to re do it. Also, I am very healthy but had 2 times in past 15 years that I had to be admitted to hospital for weird things (C-diff and random seizure that was really bad) and they denied both saying I didn’t need to be admitted overnight. I literally perforated my colon and almost had to have it removed with C-diff plus it’s highly contagious but I guess I should have just stayed home. I have paid well over $100,000 in health insurance premiums over the last 20 years and had to fight them tooth and nail to cover those costs after their initial denials. It was like having a 2nd job with all the time I spent on the phone trying to get help. I can’t even imagine when they do it to people that are so sick they don’t have the strength to fight them
@@shawnmorymcmillion Measure of 'morality' should not go through decision to kill a person, period. 2 issues are separate. A protest of an issue, regardless of importance to a person is not to be a reason to kill. Otherwise, we will be living i jungle with no laws.
Moral arguments are selectively applied to prop up power and crush descent. That’s why it’s called business when rich people unalive working class people for profit, and it’s called violence when people stand up to power.
This type of reporting - Ken Klippenstein - is a brave treasure that we must to support and demand this quality of journalism from all our news outlets!
And only after every single accusation of murder from united have been settled should he ever see justice for his. He can wait in line like he made us.
Agree, a killer is not only someone like Luigi who takes justice in his hands but someone like United Healthcare + Thompson, which could have killed many out of greed . . .
United "healthcare" killed my sister in November 2023. She had very invasive spinal surgery, the same surgery my mother had in 1998. My mother spent 3 months at a rehab facility, getting daily therapy so she could walk again. That's normal for this major spinal surgery (laminectomy). My sister was told that she would get a couple of weeks at least at a rehab hospital. They lied to her. She only spent one day in "recovery" after that brutal spinal surgery, and they sent her home in an Uber, because transporting her 120 miles by ambulance was "too expensive". WTF?! She's not supposed to be sitting up! Uber drivers are NOT medically trained to transport patients after surgery!!! Her elderly neighbor helped her get into bed, but she had no one there to take care of her. Two days after she got home, she tried dragging herself into her kitchen (she couldn't walk) and the strain caused her to have a heart attack. Her elderly neighbor found her unresponsive and called 911. My sister never regained consciousness, and died a few days later in hospital. She would have never had that surgery if she'd known they weren't going to cover the cost of her recovery. United killed my sister.😭
@@truthisthelight apart from objective morality - moral absolutes - we have no right to condemn greed, murder or anything else. We can condemn but can be neither right nor wrong to do so. Our condemnations say nothing about what we condemn but only describe our personal subjective feelings and nothing more.
This is a true account as I took photos when I saw it and sent it to my boss at the time since we had convos to the effect. Scene: Parking lot in Waterford, MI, shiny red Hummer H2 with a Trump profile chest up on the driver's side in the backseat window (like he's being carted around). On the back window, bottom right, where you usually see people put those family vinyl stick figures was one with stick people being hit and thrown up into the air and below it was the tagline: "F*ck Your Protest". I believe this was around the time Charlottesville. It was crazy to see someone would even put that on their vehicle. If I recall correctly, I believe I saw a blonde lady approach/open the vehicle. It was awhile back, but those details stuck. I know I grabbed a snapshot of the license plate. I have a Ggl Drive where my files are automatically set to download so I should dig those photos up again. Just goes to show MAGA is def okay with a little 'effective' violence. Wild ass shite.
The everyday American citizen is only as good as their ability to hand over all their dollars to their corporate overlords. It's no wonder people are behind Mangione and find his outrage totally relatable. Not that it makes it right. But how much wrong has and is done to the average American every day every hour every minute of their lives in the US. And not to mention everywhere a news or media site has a thumbnail pic of Mangione, it is shocker (not) a pic where he's looks enraged - trying to shape him into some sort of monster. I find it clarifying in terms of all the media's complicity to wrangle in Americans right now so they don't get a clue that they shouldn't be fighting with each other - when in fact we have connection to each other, it is all these corporate structures which are separating us on all fronts. Perhaps it is Game Over on all of that.
i literally yell at my computer every time i hear someone overemphasizing that this is a healthcare problem... what i say -> "THE DAMN COST OF LIVING IS TEN TIMES OVER THE WAGES AVAILABLE TO 99% OF THE AMERICAN POPULATION. WE ARE BEING SYSTEMATICALLY EXTERMINATED FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT AND EGO OF EUROPPEAN LOYALIST SC()M!!! HEALTHCARE IS THE LEAST OF OUR PROBLEMS WHEN THOSE WHO CONTROL ALL THE RESOURCES LOOK US IN THE EYE AND SAY THAT STARVING WORKERS CAN DO MORE LABOR THAN IF THEY ARE FED..."
“For-profit” or “insurance” two terms that should never be allow near a healthcare system. Some things in life should not be based on a “business model." For example, the fire department. There is no profit motive. There is no concern about whether you could “afford” to have the fire put out or not. You make the call and the firefighters do their best to put it out. Healthcare could be just like the fire department. No pre-authorization middle man insurance company needed. *Universal Medicare for All* now!
The only way Medicare for All, will work… is to make Medicare a Government Insurance Only and Not Privatized Healthcare through companies like UHC! The government already pays Private Insurance (Medicare Advantage) over $200 more than Market Rate per person, for the same insurance provided under Original Medicare Insurance!
@TamaraOHearn 😂 yea, the people that didn't vote for a socialist billionaire are the dumb ones......he does everything to pay the least amount of taxes possible
Ken Klippenstein and people like him are very important . The fact that legacy media was content sweeping Mangione's manifesto under the rug is insane.
Not insane but tRumpland getting into gear. Why do you think Canada and Mexico are building their walls and crowdfunding the rest of the world to buy the cap?
I'm quite informed. I was wondering, but suspicious, as to why we only got bits and pieces of that Manifest... er... letter. I had absolutely NO IDEA EXACTLY HOW crappy the MSM has become!!
@@ChrisK31415 Not independent podcasts, like MeidasTouch, Bulwark, and many more, including the great MSNBC independent journalists like Rachel Maddow, who Trump wants to jail for pinpointing exactly who and what he is. 😎💙💙💙
The magas say America first, but it's really billionaires first. What a joke. It's going to be worse now that the dictator is in the white house. We get what you voted for.
Thank you KEN KLIPPSTEIN for releasing that document. This is why people have lost faith in those New Channels. Thank you Democracy Now for giving us the unbiased facts!! 💯🌟
Why are shareholders not held accountable? If you own stock in a corrupt Corp that essentially kills people, you are complicit and should be held accountable.
The shareholders filed suit in May because the CEO's for embezzeling funds. UHC is using the court system to prosecute someone that "May" have shot their CEO while trying to distract the public from the COURT CASE AGAINST MANAGEMENT FOR FRAUD!
Most people who own mutual funds, or have company pension plans, have NO IDEA what they are investing in, and have no control over what these large "health care" financial entities do.
I lived & worked in Germany for 20 yrs. The universal healthcare system there is consistently excellent w/ no waiting periods. When I had my daughter, my cesaerean was $10.
I make sure to provide umbrella medical coverage for all my employees, regardless of citizenship or geography, this is actually the way to go to achieve maximal profits past approx. 5K employees. The analytical data shows this outright. Honestly publicly owned companies with boards are just the worst things in regards to long term societal prosperity and growth. That and the stupid consultancy class. Literally zero people enjoy being ill, or want to go hang out in the hospital or utilize medical equipment as accessories. People would rather prefer to be healthy and in the company of their loved ones, and this common sense train of thought, backed by over 35 years of SAP HANA super compute analytics on every minutiae of the business process will show this outright. However they love their insanely clown-esque hypotheticals about the benefits of implementing "security" and "means testing." One of them even had the audacity to say some stuff like what if they give away a bunch of medical supplies.... Always so confident they are in their ability to make me more money, something I have never put out a request to anyone ever, as unlike their demented arses Edward Jones has never accosted me in the gardening section of a RONA, while I'm getting supplies to transplant some house plants into larger planters, in order to do the accounting or tax prep, so am happy with them and not looking for new folk. Standing in front of the literal mix I intended to put in with the soil too.
The "waiting period" talking point is such a bunk because the jackasses who bring it up to defend the current system will never acknowledge that "waiting period" is present in the US healthcare system as well, but with a much worse qualifier: your wallet instead of needs
He’s a Freedom Fighter. Fighting for the freedom of the American people to have a single-payer, not for profit health care system that focuses on wellness and preventative care instead of only Sick Care which is why health care becomes so expensive (price gouging aside).
he's an entitled rich cry baby who only cares about the spotlight being on him and when it wasnt he killed someone to get it back on himself. He's a loser. Enjoy life in prison "here"...hahahaahaha
Thank you Luigi for bringing much needed attention from the victims perspective. As a victim of this hypocrisy i can relate to the anger and rage of being bullied/maltreated and abused by companies that we pay into to protect us, but they leave us hanging in our most vulnerable times of need; and united health care is just one of many! For the past 5 years I have literally been fighting for my life! Left disabled with critical injuries, but denied the services necessary to overcome. I have been refused critical care services and given compromised medical records that circle around my main areas of concerns; denied proper legal representation; denied disability; and forced to fight alone with severe medical constraints; but denied the services necessary to properly defend myself! Based on the little research that i have been able to do this mess has been going on for over 3 decades! So this incident doesn't surprise me one bit. It's just sad that it had to come to this. Yet, it still doesn't compare to the millions of Americans who have died or developed terminal illnesses like cancer and heart disease from being left medically untreated. Praying 🙏for your exoneration because had this matter been addressed sooner and with more rigorous penalties it never would have happened.
And yet the majority voted for Trump who is the poster child for exactly the kind of CEO people are saying they hate and will only exacerbate all the issues that already plague America. I don't understand the cognitive dissonance
@@Javas_DreamWhat about when it happens because you don't pay your workers a living wage? You don't get to qualify which greedy pigs are okay and which aren't
Even in Cuba, state of the art healthcare is free to everyone, including those who are just visiting the country. Why is it not free in the most prosperous country in the world?
Even in the poorest African countries in the world although healthcare is not necessarily free but it is much more accessible and affordable. Basic healthcare might cost a person's 2 months salary but they wouldn't go bankrupt and they can have access to doctors right away. But I've read even ultrasound costs really high in the US. I'm wondering why.
Re: Bernie's comments at 1:14, why do people keep stressing that the CEO fathered two children? Does having children make someone less corrupt or evil? Netanyahu has two kids - does that make him less of a terrorist? Procreation is totally irrelevant when it comes to the character of a person. If the CEO had not procreated, would this make him more fair game? I just don't get it.
@@svenskhund3603 No. You are a liar, or stupid, or a shill. According to YOUR Bullshit; if Adolf Hitler had children, then therefore a war should not be fought against him, and all of his Nazis who also may have had children. Your logical fallacies are lacking in integrity. 😧😨😰
@@svenskhund3603I think what they’re saying is that right or wrong shouldn’t be predicated on whether or not someone is a father. It’s kind of a given that you feel bad for the kids in all cases. No one ever mentions the kids of people on death row to extract compassion from the general public though, for example.
My mom died this year from S4 uterine cancer at age 64 she did everything in her life to be healthy and not get sick except that she couldn’t afford doctor visits and ended up in the er after it was all too late… she did try seeing doctors and nurses when symptoms worsened but all they did was drag their heels, ignore and gaslight her.
Agreed. Though what he did was obviously wrong, had the guts to do what millions couldn’t which was: to bring attention back to the dire issues facing healthcare in America.
@@pdaddyg6846 Nelson Mandela was in prison most of his life too, to name one . And then there’s the millions who run free and have absolutely no impact on this world. Luigi will be remembered far longer than any CEO in healthcare. They are no different than Gestapo.
Some thing that is missing is the shooter now after all the pain he has gone through he ow ,pain a d all wi probably ly go to jail forever and a day if no worst. He has give up his life and will be forgotten. Soo. After his court cases. You guys applauding him in his lair. And more that he will have to face alone should remember that
The Constitution establishes a *Federal Democratic Republic* form of government. That is, we have an indivisible union of 50 sovereign States. It is a democracy because people govern themselves. It is representative because people choose elected officials by free and secret ballot. It is a republic because the Government derives its power from the people. In other words, it's both. Saying that a "republic" can't be a democracy would be like saying my truck is not a motor vehicle, because it's not a car, or that my chickens can't be birds because they don't fly. "Democracy" is a broad term, "Republic" only defines what _kind_ of democracy we have (or had).
That’s the thing though, they’ve convinced us that partisan politics is what politics is, and not the democratic process. So this is a political issue, but the class struggle is brought to the forefront, reminding us them vs us is not rep v dem or what have you, it’s us vs overcompensated corporate exec money suckers.
He's not a journalist. Ken Klippenstein is the same guy who leaked Mr. Grusch's private medical records in order to discredit him on behalf of the government. This guy is not good and not a journalist... HOW ARE WE FORGETTING THIS?
@@TheJonnyEnglish Well said. They try to keep us distracted with "left vs right" when the real fight has always been between the working class and the owning class, and the capitalistic system itself that creates these classes. We the working class need to rise up and unite in our shared fight for liberation, and build a new world based in mutual aid and community.
Politics is the discourse of who gets what, when, and how. This is precisely politics. What the top level commenter is saying is a reflection of how terribly unintelligent American thought has become. They believe “politics” is a matter of which team someone prefers. They believe that by precluding this issue from politics, it’s a way of saying “we’re all on the same team,” which is useful to the powerful, because it is completely backwards. We are NOT all on the same team. We do not HAVE a team. We have been precluded from having a team by virtue of the fact that we could not afford to FIELD a team. This is entirely political, it’s just that there aren’t enough politically intelligent Americans left to actually field a team. They’ve all consigned themselves to simply wearing the colors of the ones on offer. Guess what guys? Neither of those teams is your team.
The crappy food Americans have been sold on, like Count Chocula breakfast cerials for the maturing bodies of children, results in type-2 diabetes, which is covered under health insurance (so don't worry!), unless you are negligent enough to be raised on a bad diet your parents gave you because foods are enriched with carbohydrates and fatty acids that a human body needs. The more the marry ore. I remember Presidante Ronold Raygon claim that people without land rights (living in "public housing") get to have Ketchup (TM) which is a form of Tomato, which is a fruit, or a vegetable. Whichever side of the debate you are on, you are wrong! That's what my mentor Donald Trump taught me. And Donald Trump MUST be right, because he is THE Leader; The Leader of THE FREE WORLD! If you don't like it here, then move back to communist Russia! Granted you may have to move back in both time and space, which Einstein said are the same thing. So don't argue with Einstein. He's dead so he can't protect himself. It would be an unfair argument. Listen to the Experts; the leaders. They wouldn't be in their positions if they were as stupid as people like you who refuse to believe their bullshit.
I visited Taiwan in 2019 and I was sent to the hospital because of a severe heart problem. While I was receiving treatment, pandemic came there was no flight back to USA, so I had to have my treatment in Taiwan. Not to say that their hospitals, their equipment were all first class, I didn’t have to wait for weeks to see a doctor, for almost every type of problems, I can walk into any hospital, any clinic and see the doctor if the line is not too long and the best thing is I pay only $28 a month. I had angioplastic with three stents and stay in hospital for almost one week. I told them that I will pay for the treatment myself our pocket, and I was surprised to see the whole deal was just a little bit over $3000. Before I went to Taiwan, my insurance monthly was $1100 a month and if I want to see a doctor, I have to wait weeks for my appointment. So the question is, why we pay so much money and get so little services? When I told my experience they asked me where the Taiwan government got their money from? I said, it I guess we should ask ourselves where we spent our money to? We should have the government runs the health care system like Taiwan
As a Taiwanese who lives in US yes thank you Taiwan healthcare is like heaven compared with USA. I think us citizens need to wake up it’s possible to create a better system
@@BlueSkyOcean agreed. I find it baffling that in the richest country in history they don't provide healthcare and have so many people struggling (homeless, drug and alcohol issues, etc)
I've been to the land west of the Taiwan Strait... The healthcare there is a lot less accessible and available, at least to me. Just before the Great Covid War, I suffered a punctured lung due to ulcers and tumor. I had to perform surgery on myself. Good times (sarcasm)@@BlueSkyOcean
All that will do is make a few torte lawyers wealthy. Consumers will each see a check for $25 and United will go back to ripping off consumers even more to make up for their losses. I agree with the sentiment, but it won't do what you would hope it would.
Chronic pain can mess you up. Imagine having chronic back pain, and the insurance company that you paid into tells you to FO. And you're a young, smart beautiful man whose life could have been so different. He's beyond caring anymore. There's your motive. And multiply that by thousands of people.
@@tamieggeling6781 Thats what they are saying. They are also saying he is a terrorist. and we all know that is far from the truth. Don't be a corporate sheep!
Over the past 50 years, corporations have gained ridiculous wealth and power at the expense of citizens' well-being. Congress is owned by corporations and our representatives are enriched by them. When government fails the needs of the people, it's not surprising that people take matters into their own hands. This act was just one person, expectedly angry, trying to initiate any change he can. What is surprising is that it has taken this long. People are angry and their anger is justified.
Its human nature. It would be nice that thered be some safeguards to protect people from that greed. Like the homeless industrial complex with the 3 million dollar tax payer funded ‘homeless count’.
Greed is king. In January I was terribly ill so I went to the clinic, and had United Healthcare. After seeing 2 Dr's, totalling no more than 2 hours combined the bill was 10k, to find out I had strep, a sinus infection and slightly high blood pressure. Now I'd had UHC for 6 years, always paid and what they sent me was a letter/bill saying " we are not paying this, but we negotiated for you so you only owe 2k" WTF. This is why nobody even WITH insurance wants to go for simple things. The bill is still huge and thier profits continue to climb while the American public goes broke. A common saying I hear from international friends " America, the only place in the world where you face financial ruin by getting sick or educated"
I am not even kidding. It is cheaper to come to Brazil, get the best paid healthcare in São Paulo and go back to America depending on what you're doing. My family that lives in the U.S. does that. I am not talking about free healthcare, they came here to pay because the free healthcare system can take a lot of time.
I've seen it on my end too. It's frustrating paying at the office and then turn around and pay more because my health insurance refuses to cover, or covers a minute amount.
Just let the public decide what's important in the manifesto. People are getting sick of the gatekeepers and spin doctors of media. Get over yourselves.
No one said you can't read the manifesto or make up your own mind. Do you not grasp that this guy published it so the public can do exactly that? And there is zero wrong with them discussing it. By doing so , they aren't telling you what to think.
Thank you🙏 Democracy Now for having the important conversations and interviews that corporate media outlets are avoiding while further alienating and dismissing the general public
@@christinepark1398 It's both. You can't have one without the other. Even in Canada, the CMA (like the AMA) acts like a traditionl midevil guild to squirm as much money as they can out of people, an protect their guild as much as possible from law suits. The Insurance industry is just another tool of the medical guild. People don't become doctors because they like to help people. Not unless they get very well compensated. Nope. It's not only for the expected riches, but for the ego-trip doctors get from controling peoples lives. In terms of careers, medical doctors are rated NUMBER ONE (1) in terms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and psychiatrists are NUMBER ONE in terms of medical doctors in terms of being over-prepresentented in prisons, for stuff like raping children under their care. Stuff like that. Why do you think they're called Head Shrinks? It's not a term of glory.
Herr Mangione's choice of action have not solved a iota of a problem for anyone. He incurred more costs not benefited anyone's healthcare. He probably worsened his own back injury going on that bus ride back and forth. The healthcare crisis happen in countries in all of the modern western countries, also in countries where I live where we have government subsided healthcare. It has to do with the age structure of the population with relatively more elderly and pensioners and that people who are younger also are sicker and requesting more healthcare. What do you think is the result of the rates of childhood obesity having quadrupled over about the last three decades. From what I get United Healthcare is the one with the lowest rates, catering to low income earners which tend to be the less healthy, poor people have number of stressfactors contriburing to illness, they have more workrelated accidents etc If people want to revolutionise the could best start with putting the fork down, spill the drink, secure your guns to avoid having gun wounded people costing hundreds of thousands every day at intensive care and try let common resources be for people who can not avoid or improve their conditions.
All doctors I know have Medigap Plan G and refer to Medicare Advantage plans as Medicare Disadvantage plans. Medicare considers Medicare Advantage plans low-insurance compared with Medigap policies which are considered high-insurance.
Healthcare insurance companies should not be publicly traded on the stock. There is an inherent requirement to make maximum profits and increase stock price for shareholders.
Exactly. I worked for a stockholder owned Corporation and ever since it went public it was nothing but stress and changes. Took 10 years off of my life.
Or they could just not be allowed to become cartels. If there were many private insurers the ones that were shitty wouldn't have anyone sign up. With all the nuts rules UHC can be as shitty as they want to be.
And the corporations executives will spend money on security rent a cops and body guards then screw over the public even harder to recover the costs they won’t change their basic behaviour psychopaths don’t just change their methodology
Thank you, Ken, and Democracy now for your independent journalism. I grew up in a communist country and was told state owned media are the worst, but I can confirm that corporate media are rising to the top of the worst of the worst.
Not sure if you're making a joke, but janitors in the medical field truly do put in a lot of work. I implement policy secure computing resources in healthcare, and go on a basis of the better of a physician they are, the more ingenuity and effort I will go through to handle the ins and outs of maintaining adherence to things like HIPAA. For the physical side of the maintenance, what I usually do is work out a salary for one of the custodial stuff who are wanting to learn and take on the role of on site policy audits and controls and the fun fact is not only are they already aware of most of the stuff, they're sometimes doing some of the work already for free. For less money mind you than paying another firm for guesswork, it's way easier just doing the entirety of the actual work, paying for it, and not being unsure of own compliance.
Our political system is bought by these corporations. I see 3 groups of criminals here (and none of them includes Luigi): the corrupt Supreme Court, who allowed Citizens United and opened the door to corporate money in politics; corporations, whose greed knows no bounds; and politicians, who betrayed the public trust in favor of the corporations.
Luigi is a HERO!!! He’s action is a “wake up call” for all of us to finally claim is rightfully ours and denied us by these greedy health CEOs! Served them right…
Luigi Mangione was a classic tale of injustice and a young man on a "hero's journey". This is a fantasy millions of people would think of, but never act on.
Ah yes, a classic tale of injustice meanwhile it came out that he was never even a client of united. But hey I suppose your utopia would involve people going around murdering everyone they don't like. Trust me, you don't want that.
I pay $9,300 per year for a family health insurance plan through Aetna. My annual deductible for family is $12k. I need treatment but my out of pocket is $6k. You tell me what's wrong with that picture.
Sad. In my country health care is completely free regardless of your income. Even if you a tourist and break a leg you are nit going to be billed by the hospital. Universal Health Care for all!!
@@creepcraddle It's totally paid by the goverment. So we pay with taxes. But just switching to not being for profit might be a start int he right direction in United States. There is something wrong with a system when United Health care made 23 billion in 2023 alone.
@ Yup i'm with you, for profit healthcare shouldn't exist and it's crazy people defend it while simultaneously being victimized by it. Healthcare is one of the only things I would be happy to pay taxes towards instead of all this other useless shit we are forced to pay for. I just hope this will open the door for universal healthcare in the US but it's all tied up in money and power so not sure that will happen any time soon
I'm glad you were the one to have a spine to publish it Ken, to be fair, we didn't really get the manifesto we were all 100% sure the moment we heard it was a healthcare CEO that got shot
Speaking from years in US healthcare- people do not seek treatment until it’s too late, they *die* to avoid bankruptcy/ homelessness. The US for-profit health insur system *rations* care through high deductibles, delays and denials that fatten their profit margin; they deprive people of the care they paid for with their premiums. Healthcare needs to be a govt-administered *service* not “insurance” because unlike other insur, hc is needed routinely, not just for emergencies/ accidents/ natural events. We are the *only* democratic, industrialized country without some version of universal healthcare! Private health insur co’s use scare tactics and propaganda, but view the public data online- univ hc has better outcomes, greater longevity than US.
My health insurance refused to pay for my nocturnal oxygen until I meet my deductible. I cant afford the unfront costs and had to return the oxygen under protest. I am at high risk for stroke and death without this treatment. I work, I pay taxes, I thought I had insurance, I sure pay for it. How can this be legal? I was able to pay my co-pay, but not the full amount, which is the point of insurance. Based the charges I could buy my own oxygen concentrator within a couple months. Its like not having insurance at all. The company in this case is webTpa. I believe they are all the same.
@@IndependentGeorge apart from objective morality - moral absolutes - we have no right to condemn corporate greed, murder or anything else. We can condemn but can be neither right nor wrong to do so. All of our condemnations and denouncements would say nothing about what is denounced but only describe our personal subjective feelings and nothing more.
@ for everyone reading the replies to my comment, these people are bots created by companies to make it seem like this is a politically divided issue when it is the general consensus that the ceo deserved what he got
He's not a journalist. Ken Klippenstein is the same guy who leaked Mr. Grusch's private medical records in order to discredit him on behalf of the government. This guy is not good and not a journalist... HOW ARE WE FORGETTING THIS?
It could be said that George Washington was a murderer of the British ruling government. I agree tho, murders can easily get out of control then just become madness.
It's ridiculous to " support" a murderer. There is zero justification for this killing. He could have used the money he is spending on a lawyer to fund a campaign to expose UnitedHealthcare claims denial policies.
I believe this is a false equivalence. The “corporate greed” you speak of has affected millions of people, and killed thousands with tactics of attrition. if your point was emphasizing that one cannot justify murder for one rather than murder for all, i see your point. But. I simply do not care that a billionaire was murdered. Take a step back and realize that the family of the deceased ceo is set up for life if they choose to live beneath their means. We live in a country that prioritizes putting its “undesirables” in a jail and making them do slave labor, a court system ruled by the rich and those with connections, corruption at every level of government, and meddling in the affairs of other countries abroad so that things could be cheaper over in the united states. “Corporate greed” is murder, blackmail, battery, terrorism, slavery, war, famine, gluttony and more. Shut up and read more books, idiot.
There is no division. ALL of humanity support Luigi. Greedy psychopaths are terrified of him. …. Slaves and Peasants…. NOW is the time to RISE !!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
you just essentially described the whole of eurocentric cultures history in the second sentence. and today its not even necessary because we have an abundance of resources instead of any measurable scarcity like there was 200 years ago. today we are deprived strictly for the entertainment and ego of european loyalists. they lose money just so they can feel happy about causing the suffering and deaths of others with impunity.
@@saturationstation1446 are you serious? Europe invented universal healthcare. US aren't "Eurocentric" they are US centric and this, exactly this it's their problem. Turbo-capitalism , neoliberism, neocolonialism- all US centric stuff. Wish they had "Eurocentric values", but US people think Europeans are too communist, and welfare (another modern European concept) is "luxury".
Politicians always ask the wrong question in public. Either to obfuscate or confuse the issue, or because they are simply inept. The question should be why is the government and judiciary allowing predatory criminal behavior with these corporations that effect the citizens of the country adversely.
Just listen to his pathetic excuses on how actual class war is never justified. Bernie is not and never has truly supported the working class and is no better than Brian Thompson.
I just get so damn irritated when they try to pretend like this is a democrat versus republican issue. It's not and we all know it's not. And don't even get me started on the ones who try to trivialize the issue by pretending that he has support because he's good looking. No, he has support because he brought up an issue that has been causing so many of us to suffer, to lose life savings, to lose loved ones, or to live with pain or disability that wasn't necessary.
So much focus on one death, and none on the many lives wrecked by Insurance Companies.
They keep saying that extra judicial murder is wrong, but why isn't it wrong to do it by withholding necessary medical care? Why aren't the people speaking for the health insurance companies required to make these repeated disclaimers?
Brian gets more coverage than his company ever provided anyone
So much for anti-working class media!
They keep trying to spin it like Americans are just displeased with the inconveniences with health insurance and its bureaucracy intentionally ignoring the gripe and struggles we have with a predatory system that kills hundreds of thousands for the sake of corporate profiy and that justifies it's own existence
@@bridget7539EXACTLY!! Does no one see the irony!?
I work for Fedex. Unfortunately we have united healthcare and one of my coworkers is constantly telling me how the insurance company is turning down medications for his back pain and headaches. I think ALL companies should drop united Immediately.
💯 I was forced to drop UHC awhile back because they always denied medications for my stomach condition.
it’s our only choice as well. I am almost 60 and on one medication only and they consistently question my doctor as to why I need it. Then sometimes they approve 90 day supply - other times they decide to only approve 30 day supply so my doctor has to re do it. Also, I am very healthy but had 2 times in past 15 years that I had to be admitted to hospital for weird things (C-diff and random seizure that was really bad) and they denied both saying I didn’t need to be admitted overnight. I literally perforated my colon and almost had to have it removed with C-diff plus it’s highly contagious but I guess I should have just stayed home. I have paid well over $100,000 in health insurance premiums over the last 20 years and had to fight them tooth and nail to cover those costs after their initial denials. It was like having a 2nd job with all the time I spent on the phone trying to get help. I can’t even imagine when they do it to people that are so sick they don’t have the strength to fight them
Can you get a group together to push fedex to switch!! Putting them out of business is possible if enough people care. ❤️🩹
Doing it now… accessing my companies’ benefit center, I got vision insurance from UHC. I hope I can still cancel them at that point.
My comment disappeared. Hmm. Please ask fedex to switch with a group of people!
Murder is wrong. How many people have been killed by United Healthcare? I support Luigi Mangione. Morality is complicated.
@@shawnmorymcmillion Measure of 'morality' should not go through decision to kill a person, period.
2 issues are separate.
A protest of an issue, regardless of importance to a person is not to be a reason to kill.
Otherwise, we will be living i jungle with no laws.
Than you are my morally confused.
Our courage stops at the likes or comments, Luigi went above and beyond that.
Moral arguments are selectively applied to prop up power and crush descent. That’s why it’s called business when rich people unalive working class people for profit, and it’s called violence when people stand up to power.
Corporate media isn’t tone deaf…they are saying exactly what corporations want.
Exactly!!! They’re paid to run those stories, their agenda is to change the narrative.
Exactly. They aren't tone deaf, they're playing an offensive song.
Exactly.
Exactly it's done on purpose
Correct.
America is a corporatocracy, not a democracy.
There is too much power for corporate America.
Exactly and it's called a capitalism.
that’s just capitalism
... And they will fall victim of their own wealth trap.
Kleptocracy/Plutocracy i.e. late stage capitalism
the inevitable outcome of capitalism
This type of reporting - Ken Klippenstein - is a brave treasure that we must to support and demand this quality of journalism from all our news outlets!
murder is wrong. united healthcare should be held accountable
And only after every single accusation of murder from united have been settled should he ever see justice for his. He can wait in line like he made us.
Agree
Agree, a killer is not only someone like Luigi who takes justice in his hands but someone like United Healthcare + Thompson, which could have killed many out of greed . . .
Deliberate Indifference is murder by default
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Thanks to Klippenstein for being a true independent journalist.
one word = Grusch
WE LOVE YOU democracy now
@@spaghetti.lee-69 I'm sad Grusch hasn't been questioned more, he's full of it
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@@spaghetti.lee-69aliens in congress are a distraction
My empathy is with all the people who suffered and died as a result of denied insurance claims.
Their family suffered as well.
"Sick ! ... My Sympathy is for a Murdered Man and his ... Family !"
& life sustaining procedures
United "healthcare" killed my sister in November 2023. She had very invasive spinal surgery, the same surgery my mother had in 1998. My mother spent 3 months at a rehab facility, getting daily therapy so she could walk again. That's normal for this major spinal surgery (laminectomy).
My sister was told that she would get a couple of weeks at least at a rehab hospital. They lied to her. She only spent one day in "recovery" after that brutal spinal surgery, and they sent her home in an Uber, because transporting her 120 miles by ambulance was "too expensive". WTF?! She's not supposed to be sitting up! Uber drivers are NOT medically trained to transport patients after surgery!!!
Her elderly neighbor helped her get into bed, but she had no one there to take care of her. Two days after she got home, she tried dragging herself into her kitchen (she couldn't walk) and the strain caused her to have a heart attack. Her elderly neighbor found her unresponsive and called 911. My sister never regained consciousness, and died a few days later in hospital.
She would have never had that surgery if she'd known they weren't going to cover the cost of her recovery. United killed my sister.😭
@@LazyIRanch Horrible system. Anything to save a dollar.
Those who made Berine Sanders impossible, made Luigi Mangione inevitable.
😂
👍🏽♥️
very well put.
well said!
Particularly Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the others in the Democratic Party's old girls network.
“When the rich rob the poor, it’s called business.. When the poor fight back, it’s called violence.” ~ Mark Twain
Not Mark Twain, the most misquoted man writing in English.
@@truthisthelight apart from objective morality - moral absolutes - we have no right to condemn greed, murder or anything else. We can condemn but can be neither right nor wrong to do so. Our condemnations say nothing about what we condemn but only describe our personal subjective feelings and nothing more.
STOP. the Italian coward came from a rich family. You look silly.
@@sunway1374 So who made that quote?
@@Renata-s4f Too long to explain. Not Mark Twain. Google is your teacher.
Thanks to Ken Klippenstein and Democracy Now! for being the epitome of what journalism truly is.
'Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.' - Pres. John F. Kennedy
This is a true account as I took photos when I saw it and sent it to my boss at the time since we had convos to the effect. Scene: Parking lot in Waterford, MI, shiny red Hummer H2 with a Trump profile chest up on the driver's side in the backseat window (like he's being carted around). On the back window, bottom right, where you usually see people put those family vinyl stick figures was one with stick people being hit and thrown up into the air and below it was the tagline: "F*ck Your Protest". I believe this was around the time Charlottesville. It was crazy to see someone would even put that on their vehicle. If I recall correctly, I believe I saw a blonde lady approach/open the vehicle. It was awhile back, but those details stuck. I know I grabbed a snapshot of the license plate. I have a Ggl Drive where my files are automatically set to download so I should dig those photos up again. Just goes to show MAGA is def okay with a little 'effective' violence. Wild ass shite.
*bottom left, not bottom right ... where the protest stick figures were
"They who sacrifice essential liberty for temporary peace, deserve neither."- Benjamin Franklin, United States founding father
"Get a life" -me
@@pdaddyg6846you seem like a well adjusted, happy person
People are angry at more than just healthcare. This list is endless.
Yup, this has shed light in so many cracks in our broken systems
The everyday American citizen is only as good as their ability to hand over all their dollars to their corporate overlords. It's no wonder people are behind Mangione and find his outrage totally relatable. Not that it makes it right. But how much wrong has and is done to the average American every day every hour every minute of their lives in the US. And not to mention everywhere a news or media site has a thumbnail pic of Mangione, it is shocker (not) a pic where he's looks enraged - trying to shape him into some sort of monster. I find it clarifying in terms of all the media's complicity to wrangle in Americans right now so they don't get a clue that they shouldn't be fighting with each other - when in fact we have connection to each other, it is all these corporate structures which are separating us on all fronts. Perhaps it is Game Over on all of that.
Tired of the squeeze on all sides
i literally yell at my computer every time i hear someone overemphasizing that this is a healthcare problem... what i say -> "THE DAMN COST OF LIVING IS TEN TIMES OVER THE WAGES AVAILABLE TO 99% OF THE AMERICAN POPULATION. WE ARE BEING SYSTEMATICALLY EXTERMINATED FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT AND EGO OF EUROPPEAN LOYALIST SC()M!!! HEALTHCARE IS THE LEAST OF OUR PROBLEMS WHEN THOSE WHO CONTROL ALL THE RESOURCES LOOK US IN THE EYE AND SAY THAT STARVING WORKERS CAN DO MORE LABOR THAN IF THEY ARE FED..."
Banks, legacymedia ceo’s next?
“Media journalism at its worst.” Thank you, Ken! So true!
“For-profit” or “insurance” two terms that should never be allow near a healthcare system. Some things in life should not be based on a “business model." For example, the fire department. There is no profit motive. There is no concern about whether you could “afford” to have the fire put out or not. You make the call and the firefighters do their best to put it out. Healthcare could be just like the fire department. No pre-authorization middle man insurance company needed. *Universal Medicare for All* now!
legalized extortion
I keep hearing 'but that's the system' and the answer I give is 'the system was built by predators to create weak prey'.
WE LOVE YOU democracy now
@@hankhillsnrrwurethrathere used to be a system in France too, until it changed via guillotine. Not saying I want war, but still.
The only way Medicare for All, will work… is to make Medicare a Government Insurance Only and Not Privatized Healthcare through companies like UHC!
The government already pays Private Insurance (Medicare Advantage) over $200 more than Market Rate per person, for the same insurance provided under Original Medicare Insurance!
Bernie has been right about this all along!!!!! We need Universal Health Care…
He was right and people would not nominate him or vote for him. Our country is dumb.
@@TamaraOHearn
The DNC would never allow Bernie to be the nominee. 😢
@@TamaraOHearnyou mean the Democratic party wouldn't let him win the nomination
@TamaraOHearn 😂 yea, the people that didn't vote for a socialist billionaire are the dumb ones......he does everything to pay the least amount of taxes possible
The rest of the world says no, the USA should continue to be an outlier so we can all feel Superior with our own universal health Care
IT’s NOT JUST HEALTH CARE CEOs‼️ Greed is rampant in America😡
It is rampant in classic capitalist heavy structures. When money is the goal, the worst in humans will emerge to get that money.
Mr. Klippenstein is a TRUE journalist and a credit to this nation 👏 👏 👏
Ben Shapiro called him a “liberal agitator”
That’s hilarious
A credit to this nation and not to himself?!?!??!?!
I rather believe CNN, Faux News, NYT, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc are the credit to this nation.
Ken Klippenstein and people like him are very important . The fact that legacy media was content sweeping Mangione's manifesto under the rug is insane.
Not insane but tRumpland getting into gear. Why do you think Canada and Mexico are building their walls and crowdfunding the rest of the world to buy the cap?
Mainstream media is just an administration propaganda machine.
This is how we allow them to control us - until we act like adults.
I'm quite informed. I was wondering, but suspicious, as to why we only got bits and pieces of that Manifest... er... letter. I had absolutely NO IDEA EXACTLY HOW crappy the MSM has become!!
@@ChrisK31415
Not independent podcasts, like MeidasTouch, Bulwark, and many more, including the great MSNBC independent journalists like Rachel Maddow, who Trump wants to jail for pinpointing exactly who and what he is. 😎💙💙💙
Right on Bernie
Mangione’s outrage is EVERYONE’S OUTRAGE
This country needs to stop putting their citizens last!!! This country has become a nightmare!!
Trump talked about sh1thole African countries. Pot. Kettle..
The magas say America first, but it's really billionaires first. What a joke. It's going to be worse now that the dictator is in the white house.
We get what you voted for.
exactly
The founding fathers are disgusted
Clearly you have never lived anywhere else then.
Thank you KEN KLIPPSTEIN for releasing that document. This is why people have lost faith in those New Channels. Thank you Democracy Now for giving us the unbiased facts!! 💯🌟
He did it at his own risk for his life. Free Luigi!
However, will Bernie truly fight for universal non for profit health care ? I'm not holding my breath about it.
Why are shareholders not held accountable? If you own stock in a corrupt Corp that essentially kills people, you are complicit and should be held accountable.
The shareholders filed suit in May because the CEO's for embezzeling funds. UHC is using the court system to prosecute someone that "May" have shot their CEO while trying to distract the public from the COURT CASE AGAINST MANAGEMENT FOR FRAUD!
Most people who own mutual funds, or have company pension plans, have NO IDEA what they are investing in, and have no control over what these large "health care" financial entities do.
I lived & worked in Germany for 20 yrs. The universal healthcare system there is consistently excellent w/ no waiting periods. When I had my daughter, my cesaerean was $10.
I make sure to provide umbrella medical coverage for all my employees, regardless of citizenship or geography, this is actually the way to go to achieve maximal profits past approx. 5K employees. The analytical data shows this outright. Honestly publicly owned companies with boards are just the worst things in regards to long term societal prosperity and growth. That and the stupid consultancy class. Literally zero people enjoy being ill, or want to go hang out in the hospital or utilize medical equipment as accessories. People would rather prefer to be healthy and in the company of their loved ones, and this common sense train of thought, backed by over 35 years of SAP HANA super compute analytics on every minutiae of the business process will show this outright. However they love their insanely clown-esque hypotheticals about the benefits of implementing "security" and "means testing." One of them even had the audacity to say some stuff like what if they give away a bunch of medical supplies....
Always so confident they are in their ability to make me more money, something I have never put out a request to anyone ever, as unlike their demented arses Edward Jones has never accosted me in the gardening section of a RONA, while I'm getting supplies to transplant some house plants into larger planters, in order to do the accounting or tax prep, so am happy with them and not looking for new folk. Standing in front of the literal mix I intended to put in with the soil too.
The "waiting period" talking point is such a bunk because the jackasses who bring it up to defend the current system will never acknowledge that "waiting period" is present in the US healthcare system as well, but with a much worse qualifier: your wallet instead of needs
@@applecatnyangoThey probably are the people that go abroad and are shocked when they don't get a fast track to the front of the queue.
Agree..Germany healthcare is really good. Their education too.
Wow, complete opposite now in Britain. Too much Greed, Corruption.
Thank you, Democracy Now and Ken Klippenstein.
He’s a folk hero, for sure. Free Luigi.
He’s a Freedom Fighter. Fighting for the freedom of the American people to have a single-payer, not for profit health care system that focuses on wellness and preventative care instead of only Sick Care which is why health care becomes so expensive (price gouging aside).
he's an entitled rich cry baby who only cares about the spotlight being on him and when it wasnt he killed someone to get it back on himself. He's a loser. Enjoy life in prison "here"...hahahaahaha
Thank you Luigi for bringing much needed attention from the victims perspective. As a victim of this hypocrisy i can relate to the anger and rage of being bullied/maltreated and abused by companies that we pay into to protect us, but they leave us hanging in our most vulnerable times of need; and united health care is just one of many! For the past 5 years I have literally been fighting for my life! Left disabled with critical injuries, but denied the services necessary to overcome. I have been refused critical care services and given compromised medical records that circle around my main areas of concerns; denied proper legal representation; denied disability; and forced to fight alone with severe medical constraints; but denied the services necessary to properly defend myself!
Based on the little research that i have been able to do this mess has been going on for over 3 decades! So this incident doesn't surprise me one bit. It's just sad that it had to come to this. Yet, it still doesn't compare to the millions of Americans who have died or developed terminal illnesses like cancer and heart disease from being left medically untreated. Praying 🙏for your exoneration because had this matter been addressed sooner and with more rigorous penalties it never would have happened.
It's nice to see the far left, far right and everyone in between finally in agreement about something. I'm so proud of the American people RN🦅
And yet the majority voted for Trump who is the poster child for exactly the kind of CEO people are saying they hate and will only exacerbate all the issues that already plague America. I don't understand the cognitive dissonance
@@Luumus ~ Making money from a business is not terrible. But when it happens when you deny healthcare coverage that's quite a different thing.
It makes you think: trump CHEATED! Trump cheated to win both his presidency terms! & when Trump ran against Biden he cheated AGAIN but lost
First step in the working class understanding who is harming them in this class war.
@@Javas_DreamWhat about when it happens because you don't pay your workers a living wage? You don't get to qualify which greedy pigs are okay and which aren't
Even in Cuba, state of the art healthcare is free to everyone, including those who are just visiting the country. Why is it not free in the most prosperous country in the world?
Because money is our true God.
@~ I can’t tell you how many times I’ve said that very same thing!
Even in the poorest African countries in the world although healthcare is not necessarily free but it is much more accessible and affordable. Basic healthcare might cost a person's 2 months salary but they wouldn't go bankrupt and they can have access to doctors right away. But I've read even ultrasound costs really high in the US. I'm wondering why.
Healthcare cannot maximize profit when customers are healthy
It is free for the eligible.
Re: Bernie's comments at 1:14, why do people keep stressing that the CEO fathered two children? Does having children make someone less corrupt or evil? Netanyahu has two kids - does that make him less of a terrorist? Procreation is totally irrelevant when it comes to the character of a person. If the CEO had not procreated, would this make him more fair game? I just don't get it.
It's called having empathy for children who lose a father. Two things can be right at the same time.
@@svenskhund3603 No. You are a liar, or stupid, or a shill.
According to YOUR Bullshit; if Adolf Hitler had children, then therefore a war should not be fought against him, and all of his Nazis who also may have had children.
Your logical fallacies are lacking in integrity. 😧😨😰
@@svenskhund3603I think what they’re saying is that right or wrong shouldn’t be predicated on whether or not someone is a father. It’s kind of a given that you feel bad for the kids in all cases. No one ever mentions the kids of people on death row to extract compassion from the general public though, for example.
My mom died this year from
S4 uterine cancer at age 64 she did everything in her life to be healthy and not get sick except that she couldn’t afford doctor visits and ended up in the er after it was all too late… she did try seeing doctors and nurses when symptoms worsened but all they did was drag their heels, ignore and gaslight her.
So very sorry she had to go through that. So sorry for your loss
So very sorry for your loss (((hugs))))
I’m so sorry for your loss. 😢
Horror story. I'm so sorry. 😢❤
Many American stories like your mom’s story- in the richest country on earth 🌍 this only affects the working class and poor
Luigi is the people.
@@pdaddyg6846 That may be true. But he accomplished his goal. The bell cannot be unrung.
Agreed. Though what he did was obviously wrong, had the guts to do what millions couldn’t which was: to bring attention back to the dire issues facing healthcare in America.
"Luigi" isn't going anywhere. That name is an idea now, not just one person.@@pdaddyg6846
@@unitedcoloursofAfgthat's not guts. What did he achieve that a well organized protest couldn't have?
@@pdaddyg6846 Nelson Mandela was in prison most of his life too, to name one . And then there’s the millions who run free and have absolutely no impact on this world.
Luigi will be remembered far longer than any CEO in healthcare. They are no different than Gestapo.
Thanks.
Lets have democracy.
Well done Luigi.
Some thing that is missing is the shooter now after all the pain he has gone through he ow ,pain a d all wi probably ly go to jail forever and a day if no worst. He has give up his life and will be forgotten. Soo. After his court cases. You guys applauding him in his lair. And more that he will have to face alone should remember that
"United States of America isn't a democracy, it's a republic!!!" Asmangold
The Constitution establishes a *Federal Democratic Republic* form of government. That is, we have an indivisible union of 50 sovereign States. It is a democracy because people govern themselves. It is representative because people choose elected officials by free and secret ballot. It is a republic because the Government derives its power from the people. In other words, it's both.
Saying that a "republic" can't be a democracy would be like saying my truck is not a motor vehicle, because it's not a car, or that my chickens can't be birds because they don't fly. "Democracy" is a broad term, "Republic" only defines what _kind_ of democracy we have (or had).
@@ihatecabbage7270 Democratic Republic
Not a partisan issue, thank you Ken! People from all sides can agree, this is about humanity, not *just* politics. ~ Editing to clarify.
That’s the thing though, they’ve convinced us that partisan politics is what politics is, and not the democratic process. So this is a political issue, but the class struggle is brought to the forefront, reminding us them vs us is not rep v dem or what have you, it’s us vs overcompensated corporate exec money suckers.
He's not a journalist. Ken Klippenstein is the same guy who leaked Mr. Grusch's private medical records in order to discredit him on behalf of the government. This guy is not good and not a journalist... HOW ARE WE FORGETTING THIS?
@@TheJonnyEnglish Well said. They try to keep us distracted with "left vs right" when the real fight has always been between the working class and the owning class, and the capitalistic system itself that creates these classes. We the working class need to rise up and unite in our shared fight for liberation, and build a new world based in mutual aid and community.
Politics is the discourse of who gets what, when, and how. This is precisely politics.
What the top level commenter is saying is a reflection of how terribly unintelligent American thought has become. They believe “politics” is a matter of which team someone prefers. They believe that by precluding this issue from politics, it’s a way of saying “we’re all on the same team,” which is useful to the powerful, because it is completely backwards.
We are NOT all on the same team. We do not HAVE a team. We have been precluded from having a team by virtue of the fact that we could not afford to FIELD a team. This is entirely political, it’s just that there aren’t enough politically intelligent Americans left to actually field a team. They’ve all consigned themselves to simply wearing the colors of the ones on offer. Guess what guys? Neither of those teams is your team.
@@addammadd ⛽Well-stated⌛🐑🐑🐑⛽🛢🛢🛢🛢🛢🛢⛽⏰🌀
I'm disappointed with mainstream media because they should have read the manifesto, I recommend everyone read it.
Thier funded by advertising dollars (from the healthcare industry)
The main stream media is for the rich parasites.
Where is it to read?
I’ve been disappointed in msm for the past decade 🤦🏻♀️Don’t watch it! Cancelled direct tv and save $$$ too🤷🏻♀️Gonna need it for my medical bills🙁
It's typed, how do we know police didn't type it?
What about the High Cost of Healthcare? What about the horrible food sold to us in the US?
You do have the worse food ever, coming from Britain. Unfortunately, we need to stop having American influence here.
The crappy food Americans have been sold on, like Count Chocula breakfast cerials for the maturing bodies of children, results in type-2 diabetes, which is covered under health insurance (so don't worry!), unless you are negligent enough to be raised on a bad diet your parents gave you because foods are enriched with carbohydrates and fatty acids that a human body needs. The more the marry ore.
I remember Presidante Ronold Raygon claim that people without land rights (living in "public housing") get to have Ketchup (TM) which is a form of Tomato, which is a fruit, or a vegetable. Whichever side of the debate you are on, you are wrong! That's what my mentor Donald Trump taught me. And Donald Trump MUST be right, because he is THE Leader; The Leader of THE FREE WORLD!
If you don't like it here, then move back to communist Russia! Granted you may have to move back in both time and space, which Einstein said are the same thing. So don't argue with Einstein. He's dead so he can't protect himself. It would be an unfair argument.
Listen to the Experts; the leaders. They wouldn't be in their positions if they were as stupid as people like you who refuse to believe their bullshit.
One of the few media outlets that still gets to the actual story.
I visited Taiwan in 2019 and I was sent to the hospital because of a severe heart problem. While I was receiving treatment, pandemic came there was no flight back to USA, so I had to have my treatment in Taiwan. Not to say that their hospitals, their equipment were all first class, I didn’t have to wait for weeks to see a doctor, for almost every type of problems, I can walk into any hospital, any clinic and see the doctor if the line is not too long and the best thing is I pay only $28 a month. I had angioplastic with three stents and stay in hospital for almost one week. I told them that I will pay for the treatment myself our pocket, and I was surprised to see the whole deal was just a little bit over $3000. Before I went to Taiwan, my insurance monthly was $1100 a month and if I want to see a doctor, I have to wait weeks for my appointment. So the question is, why we pay so much money and get so little services? When I told my experience they asked me where the Taiwan government got their money from? I said, it I guess we should ask ourselves where we spent our money to?
We should have the government runs the health care system like Taiwan
Most countries in the world are like this. I'm from Australia and we don't even pay for hospital visits.
Is $28/month premium every one can pay or do you have to be a permanent resident there?
As a Taiwanese who lives in US yes thank you Taiwan healthcare is like heaven compared with USA. I think us citizens need to wake up it’s possible to create a better system
@@BlueSkyOcean agreed. I find it baffling that in the richest country in history they don't provide healthcare and have so many people struggling (homeless, drug and alcohol issues, etc)
I've been to the land west of the Taiwan Strait... The healthcare there is a lot less accessible and available, at least to me. Just before the Great Covid War, I suffered a punctured lung due to ulcers and tumor. I had to perform surgery on myself. Good times (sarcasm)@@BlueSkyOcean
🏅 for publishing it for the public to read.👏
Ken Klippenstein is the absolute GOAT.
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
The criminal companies like United Insurances should be sued with massive class actions.
All that will do is make a few torte lawyers wealthy. Consumers will each see a check for $25 and United will go back to ripping off consumers even more to make up for their losses. I agree with the sentiment, but it won't do what you would hope it would.
Supreme court made that illegal. What you have is mandatory arbitration clauses like that Luigi used.
@@Praisethesunson Really? Im going to read up on that. The whole system is rigged against the public then it seems.
That's what i confused why they havent did it!? There are even cases in the 80s!
@@Praisethesunsonno. UHC has class actions happening now against them
Chronic pain can mess you up. Imagine having chronic back pain, and the insurance company that you paid into tells you to FO. And you're a young, smart beautiful man whose life could have been so different. He's beyond caring anymore. There's your motive. And multiply that by thousands of people.
Millions.
United Healthcare was not even his insurance company. 🤦♀️
@@tamieggeling6781 Thats what they are saying. They are also saying he is a terrorist. and we all know that is far from the truth. Don't be a corporate sheep!
@@cyndimoring9389 He never got denied. Hes rich! My dad has had chronic broken disc since I was a kid. my dad never shot no one.
@@tamieggeling6781it is the insurance company with the highest rate of denials and he was obviously making a statement. Dumb comment
Over the past 50 years, corporations have gained ridiculous wealth and power at the expense of citizens' well-being. Congress is owned by corporations and our representatives are enriched by them. When government fails the needs of the people, it's not surprising that people take matters into their own hands. This act was just one person, expectedly angry, trying to initiate any change he can. What is surprising is that it has taken this long.
People are angry and their anger is justified.
Money is all that matters. Rich gotta rich. 💪😎✌️
Free Luigi!!
People are definitely not taking things into their own hands…this is one isolated incident
@SaxxonWoods Yep. The first instance usually is an isolated incident. But people are angry and movements grow.
Repeal citizens United
Thank you Ken Klippenstein and Democracy Now. 🇺🇲
Please ask everyone who had a family member die as a result of health care being denied to report it. The public need to know.
Greed has ruined our country.
For real! Land of the free? Haaaa More like land of the greed.
Greed has always ruined countries for eons.
Its human nature. It would be nice that thered be some safeguards to protect people from that greed. Like the homeless industrial complex with the 3 million dollar tax payer funded ‘homeless count’.
Yea, verily, and unto the Brethren:
The blind shall lead.
Thus it is.
Thus it has been.
And thus shall it ever be.
Selah.
Ego and Greed comes before the fall.
Greed is king. In January I was terribly ill so I went to the clinic, and had United Healthcare. After seeing 2 Dr's, totalling no more than 2 hours combined the bill was 10k, to find out I had strep, a sinus infection and slightly high blood pressure. Now I'd had UHC for 6 years, always paid and what they sent me was a letter/bill saying " we are not paying this, but we negotiated for you so you only owe 2k" WTF. This is why nobody even WITH insurance wants to go for simple things. The bill is still huge and thier profits continue to climb while the American public goes broke. A common saying I hear from international friends " America, the only place in the world where you face financial ruin by getting sick or educated"
Wow, how very "kind " of united Healthcare to "negotiate " so you ONLY have to pay $2000! 😮 This is disgusting
I am not even kidding. It is cheaper to come to Brazil, get the best paid healthcare in São Paulo and go back to America depending on what you're doing. My family that lives in the U.S. does that. I am not talking about free healthcare, they came here to pay because the free healthcare system can take a lot of time.
@@vidal9747 I swear, even to Madagascar.
I've seen it on my end too. It's frustrating paying at the office and then turn around and pay more because my health insurance refuses to cover, or covers a minute amount.
@@KathySechler They were pretending to be good eggs.
Thankyou Ken Klippinstein & Democracy Now.
Just let the public decide what's important in the manifesto. People are getting sick of the gatekeepers and spin doctors of media. Get over yourselves.
the media are coconspirators to this heinous crime against americans
WE LOVE YOU democracy now
No one said you can't read the manifesto or make up your own mind. Do you not grasp that this guy published it so the public can do exactly that? And there is zero wrong with them discussing it. By doing so , they aren't telling you what to think.
Ken Klippenstein is a hero.
Good job, needed to be made available to everyone.
Thank you🙏 Democracy Now for having the important conversations and interviews that corporate media outlets are avoiding while further alienating and dismissing the general public
I am avoiding main stream media as much as possible going forward. Support independent media you can trust. We need them now more than ever.
Luigi exposing the healthcare industry and the corporate media industy!
But really. it's the healthcare INSURANCE industry, not the healthcare industry.
@@christinepark1398 It's both, isn't it? How can a hospital charge $25,000 for a visit to urgent care that just involved an MRI?
@@christinepark1398 It's both. You can't have one without the other. Even in Canada, the CMA (like the AMA) acts like a traditionl midevil guild to squirm as much money as they can out of people, an protect their guild as much as possible from law suits.
The Insurance industry is just another tool of the medical guild.
People don't become doctors because they like to help people. Not unless they get very well compensated. Nope. It's not only for the expected riches, but for the ego-trip doctors get from controling peoples lives. In terms of careers, medical doctors are rated NUMBER ONE (1) in terms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and psychiatrists are NUMBER ONE in terms of medical doctors in terms of being over-prepresentented in prisons, for stuff like raping children under their care. Stuff like that. Why do you think they're called Head Shrinks? It's not a term of glory.
Thanks Amy and Juan, brilliant reporting and Ken as well!
Thank you, Amy, and Juan. I've been telling family and everyone else to watch or listen to Democracy Now and stay completely away from mainstream.
I am more and more inclined to agree with you.
Everyone should do this to educate the masses especially those who still rely on their TVs for their news
Democracy Now! The standard bearer in accurate journalism for nearly 30 years. Thanks Amy and Juan and everyone else who makes this content!
Running with police narratives is not accurate journalism.
Glenn Greenwald is much better. _Democracy Now!_ has resorted to globalist propaganda and leftist disinformation.
Except for every single thing related to the Covid episode.
@bobspruce1196 "Democracy Now! The standard bearer in accurate journalism..."
You obviously have never read The Onion.
Think before you rant!
Luigi is a REFORMER.
Voting hasnt done anything. We are sick and tired of being sick and tired.
Herr Mangione's choice of action have not solved a iota of a problem for anyone. He incurred more costs not benefited anyone's healthcare. He probably worsened his own back injury going on that bus ride back and forth.
The healthcare crisis happen in countries in all of the modern western countries, also in countries where I live where we have government subsided healthcare. It has to do with the age structure of the population with relatively more elderly and pensioners and that people who are younger also are sicker and requesting more healthcare. What do you think is the result of the rates of childhood obesity having quadrupled over about the last three decades.
From what I get United Healthcare is the one with the lowest rates, catering to low income earners which tend to be the less healthy, poor people have number of stressfactors contriburing to illness, they have more workrelated accidents etc
If people want to revolutionise the could best start with putting the fork down, spill the drink, secure your guns to avoid having gun wounded people costing hundreds of thousands every day at intensive care and try let common resources be for people who can not avoid or improve their conditions.
It was withheld because the last thing they want people to realize is that Mangione is both intelligent and sane.
@@Dav-S5658 yeah, very intelligent. Didn’t leave many clues did he. Can’t believe he was caught as they only had him on about 8 different cameras
yeah right
TBD
@@curtrodYES RIGHT!!
And wealthy
thank you Democracy Now for being real journalists!
My stomach hurts from hearing about the healthcare system and how terrible it is.
Luigi's butt is going to hurt
Thank you Ken, it is evident you are going to bring reform to your industry 🙌
As if that will carry us to where we need to travel. Czn Ken light the fire?
We stand with Luigi
I worked for a Medicare Advantage Plan for 2 years and quit because I couldn't take telling people every day that their life saving care was denied
Same!! When I realized after many years that they were just lying to People to deny their claims I quit
Dr Oz wants all Medicare to be privatized, so all Medicare is headed that way
All doctors I know have Medigap Plan G and refer to Medicare Advantage plans as Medicare Disadvantage plans. Medicare considers Medicare Advantage plans low-insurance compared with Medigap policies which are considered high-insurance.
Ouch ,I'd have done the same ,especially if they're elderly,I'd rather clean toilets 🚻 than give folk devastating news every day day in day out.
Healthcare insurance companies should not be publicly traded on the stock. There is an inherent requirement to make maximum profits and increase stock price for shareholders.
Exactly. I worked for a stockholder owned Corporation and ever since it went public it was nothing but stress and changes. Took 10 years off of my life.
Or they could just not be allowed to become cartels. If there were many private insurers the ones that were shitty wouldn't have anyone sign up. With all the nuts rules UHC can be as shitty as they want to be.
And stock buyback was illegal untill the 80s. Guess who allowed it.
They shouldn't exist at all. Socialise healthcare!
This reporter Klippenstein is spot on an exemplary to what a journalist can be. Applause Applause
Face it, the man's a Hero. Got the insurance companies attention. People are pissed.
its sad to get to the point of losing a life for the company's to get attention
And the corporations executives will spend money on security rent a cops and body guards then screw over the public even harder to recover the costs they won’t change their basic behaviour psychopaths don’t just change their methodology
@@evelyncarbonell1
Patients are still dying as we speak due to denial.
Thank you, Ken, and Democracy now for your independent journalism. I grew up in a communist country and was told state owned media are the worst, but I can confirm that corporate media are rising to the top of the worst of the worst.
_Democracy Now!_ is corporate media. Can't you tell????
Thank you sir for telling the truth. Not a partisan issue. A human issue. A lobbying issue.
I work at a doctors office the nurses are fighting with insurance companies no less than one third of the day. Glad I am the janitor.
lol
Not sure if you're making a joke, but janitors in the medical field truly do put in a lot of work. I implement policy secure computing resources in healthcare, and go on a basis of the better of a physician they are, the more ingenuity and effort I will go through to handle the ins and outs of maintaining adherence to things like HIPAA. For the physical side of the maintenance, what I usually do is work out a salary for one of the custodial stuff who are wanting to learn and take on the role of on site policy audits and controls and the fun fact is not only are they already aware of most of the stuff, they're sometimes doing some of the work already for free. For less money mind you than paying another firm for guesswork, it's way easier just doing the entirety of the actual work, paying for it, and not being unsure of own compliance.
Their not listening and never will. That's how entrenched these CEO's are, and our political system is as guilty as these corporations.
This is a leftover from the Nixonomics.
Our political system is bought by these corporations. I see 3 groups of criminals here (and none of them includes Luigi): the corrupt Supreme Court, who allowed Citizens United and opened the door to corporate money in politics; corporations, whose greed knows no bounds; and politicians, who betrayed the public trust in favor of the corporations.
Luigi is a HERO!!! He’s action is a “wake up call” for all of us to finally claim is rightfully ours and denied us by these greedy health CEOs! Served them right…
Luigi Mangione was a classic tale of injustice and a young man on a "hero's journey". This is a fantasy millions of people would think of, but never act on.
Ah yes, a classic tale of injustice meanwhile it came out that he was never even a client of united. But hey I suppose your utopia would involve people going around murdering everyone they don't like. Trust me, you don't want that.
Not "was", still is. Don't talk about him in past tense, please.
Your mentality is highly immoral, Jeff.
He could act on it because he's from the upper middle class. Money buys courage and connections.
@@霧裡探花水中望月 BS, this kid threw his whole life away on what he believed in.
I pay $9,300 per year for a family health insurance plan through Aetna. My annual deductible for family is $12k. I need treatment but my out of pocket is $6k. You tell me what's wrong with that picture.
Sad. In my country health care is completely free regardless of your income. Even if you a tourist and break a leg you are nit going to be billed by the hospital. Universal Health Care for all!!
@@Bianca-yt7pd Are you in England?
@@Bianca-yt7pdI'm curious, what other systems are in place to make universal healthcare work over there?
@@creepcraddle It's totally paid by the goverment. So we pay with taxes. But just switching to not being for profit might be a start int he right direction in United States. There is something wrong with a system when United Health care made 23 billion in 2023 alone.
@ Yup i'm with you, for profit healthcare shouldn't exist and it's crazy people defend it while simultaneously being victimized by it. Healthcare is one of the only things I would be happy to pay taxes towards instead of all this other useless shit we are forced to pay for. I just hope this will open the door for universal healthcare in the US but it's all tied up in money and power so not sure that will happen any time soon
I'm glad you were the one to have a spine to publish it Ken, to be fair, we didn't really get the manifesto we were all 100% sure the moment we heard it was a healthcare CEO that got shot
Thank you Ken and Bernie Sanders
Corporate greed and all those associated with denying health care should be ashamed.
Luigi Mangione is modern-day Robin Hood.
Speaking from years in US healthcare- people do not seek treatment until it’s too late, they *die* to avoid bankruptcy/ homelessness. The US for-profit health insur system *rations* care through high deductibles, delays and denials that fatten their profit margin; they deprive people of the care they paid for with their premiums. Healthcare needs to be a govt-administered *service* not “insurance” because unlike other insur, hc is needed routinely, not just for emergencies/ accidents/ natural events. We are the *only* democratic, industrialized country without some version of universal healthcare! Private health insur co’s use scare tactics and propaganda, but view the public data online- univ hc has better outcomes, greater longevity than US.
Thank you Democracy Now
Great interview. This kid is definitely on my radar now 👍
My health insurance refused to pay for my nocturnal oxygen until I meet my deductible. I cant afford the unfront costs and had to return the oxygen under protest. I am at high risk for stroke and death without this treatment. I work, I pay taxes, I thought I had insurance, I sure pay for it. How can this be legal? I was able to pay my co-pay, but not the full amount, which is the point of insurance. Based the charges I could buy my own oxygen concentrator within a couple months. Its like not having insurance at all. The company in this case is webTpa. I believe they are all the same.
I see no crime here. I see a man who brought justice to a system that has none. Luigi Mangione is a hero!
DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS MY MIND IS ALREADY MADE UP!
JUDGE, JURY & EXECUTIONER.
Hope you never set on anyone's jury.
Hope he spends the rest of his life in prison.
@@IndependentGeorge apart from objective morality - moral absolutes - we have no right to condemn corporate greed, murder or anything else. We can condemn but can be neither right nor wrong to do so. All of our condemnations and denouncements would say nothing about what is denounced but only describe our personal subjective feelings and nothing more.
@ this is a bot response if I’ve ever seen one
@ for everyone reading the replies to my comment, these people are bots created by companies to make it seem like this is a politically divided issue when it is the general consensus that the ceo deserved what he got
Thank you, Ken Klippenstein and Democracy Now, for what you do! ❤
He's not a journalist. Ken Klippenstein is the same guy who leaked Mr. Grusch's private medical records in order to discredit him on behalf of the government. This guy is not good and not a journalist... HOW ARE WE FORGETTING THIS?
Great work as always, Ken! Continue to keep them honest!
I support Luigi Mangione. I am AGAINST the predatory healthcare industry.
They who condone murder have no right to condemn corporate greed. And no right to be taken seriously when they hypocritically do.
It could be said that George Washington was a murderer of the British ruling government.
I agree tho, murders can easily get out of control then just become madness.
It's ridiculous to " support" a murderer. There is zero justification for this killing. He could have used the money he is spending on a lawyer to fund a campaign to expose UnitedHealthcare claims denial policies.
@@jeffmccoy1700 stop defending a mass murdere.. makes you look pathetic
I believe this is a false equivalence. The “corporate greed” you speak of has affected millions of people, and killed thousands with tactics of attrition. if your point was emphasizing that one cannot justify murder for one rather than murder for all, i see your point. But. I simply do not care that a billionaire was murdered. Take a step back and realize that the family of the deceased ceo is set up for life if they choose to live beneath their means. We live in a country that prioritizes putting its “undesirables” in a jail and making them do slave labor, a court system ruled by the rich and those with connections, corruption at every level of government, and meddling in the affairs of other countries abroad so that things could be cheaper over in the united states. “Corporate greed” is murder, blackmail, battery, terrorism, slavery, war, famine, gluttony and more. Shut up and read more books, idiot.
Ken Klippenstein is so articulate when he’s explaining his reasoning with this topic.
There is no division.
ALL of humanity support Luigi.
Greedy psychopaths are terrified of him.
…. Slaves and Peasants…. NOW is the time to RISE !!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Can I have a bread
Peacefully didn’t work obviously, the rattle that Luigi started, is unique
Why should anyone have any concern for the CEOs family? They make others suffer and die to fund their lifestyle.
you just essentially described the whole of eurocentric cultures history in the second sentence. and today its not even necessary because we have an abundance of resources instead of any measurable scarcity like there was 200 years ago. today we are deprived strictly for the entertainment and ego of european loyalists. they lose money just so they can feel happy about causing the suffering and deaths of others with impunity.
@@saturationstation1446 are you serious? Europe invented universal healthcare. US aren't "Eurocentric" they are US centric and this, exactly this it's their problem. Turbo-capitalism , neoliberism, neocolonialism- all US centric stuff. Wish they had "Eurocentric values", but US people think Europeans are too communist, and welfare (another modern European concept) is "luxury".
Its symbolic, just like so many things our masters do
Brian’s family is just as guilty as he was.
Not having concern for his family does nothing for Luigi. Hes a killer
Remember the French Revolution how their people got rid of the oligarchs
Put us in debt, keep us in debt, that’s the plan. We have a name for that…
Slavery
Class war.
Politicians always ask the wrong question in public. Either to obfuscate or confuse the issue, or because they are simply inept.
The question should be why is the government and judiciary allowing predatory criminal behavior with these corporations that effect the citizens of the country adversely.
Because they're in on it.
The billionaires own the government
They are all bought by the special interest lobbyists. They are working for the power and the riches.
Because the government is in bed with the big conglomerates
No jury would convict him!
Those who made Bernie impossible made Luigi inevitable.
Just listen to his pathetic excuses on how actual class war is never justified. Bernie is not and never has truly supported the working class and is no better than Brian Thompson.
the people that made bernie impossible understand Bernie is the problem.
Thanks, Amy, Juan and Ken. We need true journalism more now than ever.
Klippenstein is an excellent reporter! Keep bringing him on to your program! Thank you!
Everyone should read Luigis Manifesto
@@visibletoa11userz hard to call it a manifesto
Minifesto 😂
why? he's a nutjob
Why? It's not very well written, considering his education. Sounds more like a DEI-hire wrote it.
@@Lp78Ch hahahahahhahahahaa!!!!!!!
Congress is so corrupt it’s sickening!
Need to vote to vote them all out.
Voting won't help anything. If you could change anything by voting, they wouldn't allow voting.
Thats what we need: telling more people who have no business voting, to vote.
Only vote for candidates who will repeal citizens United!
@@Renee-xo8hk Worst decision EVER. But the Supreme Court has been bought and paid for a long time ago too.
So why don’t we… if Americans were smart, and they are not, they would vote every incumbent out of office for the next two decades
I just get so damn irritated when they try to pretend like this is a democrat versus republican issue. It's not and we all know it's not. And don't even get me started on the ones who try to trivialize the issue by pretending that he has support because he's good looking. No, he has support because he brought up an issue that has been causing so many of us to suffer, to lose life savings, to lose loved ones, or to live with pain or disability that wasn't necessary.
Ken is on fire 🔥 What a fantastic journalist!