So there is a progression system in Civ 7 and there are not just cosmetic changes but gameplay ones as well. What do you think? If you want to support the channel, buy any game using this GOG referral link: af.gog.com/?as=1715648857 Thanks!
It also promotes playing a leader only until you get the item you want to unlock. This works against their goal of incentivizing people to complete whole campaigns.
@chessblunderer898 that's an asinine argument, because there was no in game incentive to play a different leader in other civs, other than winning once. Now there is at least some reason to play one. Once you have the unlock it is no different than it was before. So, it's a positive change until that point. After that point it reverts to the way it was.
For me I am a completionist and it seems really daunting to level every leader. I should be glad about it because I won’t run out of things to do for a long time but at the same time just knowing it is there is overwhelming for me. I do like the mementos though.
Do you feel as though the game is built around these in mind? I am worried these will feel kind of overpowered and become a thing you just either ignore or you have to ramp up difficulty to use it. Especially mementos seem very strong.
They don't feel that powerful, more of a modifier than anything. Really powerful ones tend to have a drawback, like settlement limit increase but city cost is doubled. In multiplayer they can be disabled to level the field.
They likely will, but the choice is whether to make that paid DLC instead and considering the profit on the table. They would see adding alternate costumes as free unlocks to be a wasted opportunity to make more money.
8:00 I think you keep passing the things that could be it, because they are the dudes with the up-arrow in their head, right? 8:30 Given how many people had the same unlock for level 3, I'm wondering if unlocking it once unlocks it for everyone, or if each leader has to unlock those separately??
For the first point, you might be correct. Icons are a tough thing to design, but once you learn it it should be fine. for teh second point, I think its the latter
Hmm... I don't think leader progression should have been a thing at launch (maybe as a DLC). It might be be, but I feel a bit overwhelmed already with the amount of mix and matching, and adding a progression system feels like a bit. But will see in a week.
I find this new progressive form interesting, but it seems to me that it creates some inequality when players are in multiplayer. For example, if my leader starts with the initial bonuses plus memento bonuses and others that I can add, this gives me initial advantages over other players! Could this be the idea?
@@draftyowl The whole point is to share what it is. In this day and age no one should buy a game and be surprised by what they get. Don't like a game don't get it, don't spend a lot of money then be upset.
This isn't sponsored, so unless people really enjoy these videos it doesn't pay for food. I can't buy food with a preview key of Civ 7 haha. I'm sharing because I don't want people being 'surprised' by what Civ 7 is after preordering or something. Everything is shown, no one should be caught offguard.
@DraganAlves I spell it right. If you're speaking about pronunciation, people can say 'carmel' and that's fine. Tomahto tomayto. Vahse vayse. Jif gif. George Horhey. Pronunciation is a whole other world. Not everyone speaks with a standardised accent and says words the same way.
They're not different words because 'momento' isn't a word. There is just 'memento'. Pronunciations vary wildly through the world. People say 'carmel' for caramel. 'Erb' for herb. Tomahto and tomayto. Vahse and vayse. There is no 'momento' as a word, pronunciation is pronunciation.
yeah im definitely not getting this game , or at least not at launch think ill wait till medieval and info ages are in , religion and all the other half baked mechanics are done properly and they machine gun rate of 30 bucks for 4 civs 2 leaders and 4 wonders per quarter calms tf down. seriously if its 30 bucks for these mini packs what on earth is the year one expansion (im betting on medieval age +religion) going to be?
That's why I'm sharing all this, no one should be surprised by what they get right now. It's no secret, so if you don't see everything you want then it's best to wait. It always takes 2 years and 2 major expansions for Civ to be 'good'.
They learned everything from 6. Civ 6 made 400% more money than Civ 5 on Steam alone, not counting console sales which Civ 5 has zero. Civ 6 on a normal day has as many players than Civ 5 had at its peaks. Civ 6 is currently the most played 4X in the world and consistently a Top 20 most played game on Steam. Not top 20 strategy game, but of all games. Right this second, Civ 7 is the second highest on Steam's Top Sellers chart and it's been in the Top Sellers list for weeks. And for all the criticism Civ 6 received, at the end of the day everyone got it anyway and recent reviews are 90% positive. What they learned is they can sacrifice 5% on user review scores for 400-500% more money. For every % they sacrifice on user reviews, they make 100% more profit and it doesn't even hurt the playerbase size. They learned everything from Civ 6 and are already raking it in with Civ 7.
Hopefully this will be unlockable by mods. But first they need to finish the rest of the game (1950 - now) and implement a working AI. The AI in Civ 6 got beaten by barbarians which made the entire game completely unplayable and unfun (for me).
So there is a progression system in Civ 7 and there are not just cosmetic changes but gameplay ones as well. What do you think? If you want to support the channel, buy any game using this GOG referral link: af.gog.com/?as=1715648857 Thanks!
So far it’s UI that I feel needs the most work in this game
Not only demonstrating metaprogression, but the importance of clarity in UI!
This sounds so cool! Promotes experimentation and getting to know every leader, don't get why some people hate it
Yeah a lot of people are gonna spend hundreds of hours in this game so having meta progression on the side like this is really cool
It's also silly because if you don't like it then don't use it. It's like being upset about difficulty levels or something.
It also promotes playing a leader only until you get the item you want to unlock. This works against their goal of incentivizing people to complete whole campaigns.
@chessblunderer898 that's an asinine argument, because there was no in game incentive to play a different leader in other civs, other than winning once. Now there is at least some reason to play one. Once you have the unlock it is no different than it was before. So, it's a positive change until that point. After that point it reverts to the way it was.
For me I am a completionist and it seems really daunting to level every leader. I should be glad about it because I won’t run out of things to do for a long time but at the same time just knowing it is there is overwhelming for me. I do like the mementos though.
Top stuff. It really is a new game.
Sounds a lot like age of wonders, i actually like it, I would like if it was even more sandbox
thanks for discussing the level unlock system -
Do you feel as though the game is built around these in mind? I am worried these will feel kind of overpowered and become a thing you just either ignore or you have to ramp up difficulty to use it. Especially mementos seem very strong.
They don't feel that powerful, more of a modifier than anything. Really powerful ones tend to have a drawback, like settlement limit increase but city cost is doubled. In multiplayer they can be disabled to level the field.
@@GamerZakh Allright thanks-
They should have included alternate costumes for the leaders as unlocks. Wasted opportunity.
They likely will, but the choice is whether to make that paid DLC instead and considering the profit on the table. They would see adding alternate costumes as free unlocks to be a wasted opportunity to make more money.
Ahh yes confusing UI in a 4x game. That will never lead to an issue.
@@GamerbyDesign Yeah UI is probably the weakest part of Civ 7's design right now.
Can you pin meta-progression challenges on the game screen like quests and legacy points?
8:00 I think you keep passing the things that could be it, because they are the dudes with the up-arrow in their head, right?
8:30 Given how many people had the same unlock for level 3, I'm wondering if unlocking it once unlocks it for everyone, or if each leader has to unlock those separately??
For the first point, you might be correct. Icons are a tough thing to design, but once you learn it it should be fine.
for teh second point, I think its the latter
Hmm... I don't think leader progression should have been a thing at launch (maybe as a DLC). It might be be, but I feel a bit overwhelmed already with the amount of mix and matching, and adding a progression system feels like a bit. But will see in a week.
i played 2 eras + 5 hours with cleopatra, when i comeback tot he menu, is still level 1. This game makes everything to be unclear. What a shame.
why would they lock progress for this game?for the sake of the sanity of its fans I hope that everything is unlocked for mp. :>
They said multiplayer has the option to turn off mementos for everyone so people without good ones dont get rolled over by people who have them all
@@uncleben255 Mementos are indeed an option for multiplayer, so you can turn them off when competing.
The UI in this game is offensive
Is the date for the first battlepass known?
I find this new progressive form interesting, but it seems to me that it creates some inequality when players are in multiplayer. For example, if my leader starts with the initial bonuses plus memento bonuses and others that I can add, this gives me initial advantages over other players!
Could this be the idea?
Mementos can be disabled for multiplayer matches!
@@centrallplays Thanks for the feedback 🙂
Thanks for showing off this information unbiased, I’ll be avoiding this game thanks to your coverage of it’s features.
@@draftyowl The whole point is to share what it is. In this day and age no one should buy a game and be surprised by what they get. Don't like a game don't get it, don't spend a lot of money then be upset.
Its not it’s
I'm really really glad you have food on the table, Zakh. Not ironic or sarcastic.
At least somebody gets somthing good out of this abominable game.
This isn't sponsored, so unless people really enjoy these videos it doesn't pay for food. I can't buy food with a preview key of Civ 7 haha. I'm sharing because I don't want people being 'surprised' by what Civ 7 is after preordering or something. Everything is shown, no one should be caught offguard.
@GamerZakh oh.
Apologies then.
It’s MEMentos not MOMentos
@DraganAlves I spell it right. If you're speaking about pronunciation, people can say 'carmel' and that's fine. Tomahto tomayto. Vahse vayse. Jif gif. George Horhey. Pronunciation is a whole other world. Not everyone speaks with a standardised accent and says words the same way.
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Please say "ME-mentos" instead of "MO-mentos" since they are different words. Good video otherwise!
They're not different words because 'momento' isn't a word. There is just 'memento'. Pronunciations vary wildly through the world. People say 'carmel' for caramel. 'Erb' for herb. Tomahto and tomayto. Vahse and vayse. There is no 'momento' as a word, pronunciation is pronunciation.
Uno momento por favor...
@@GamerZakhI like you better with every comment. 😂
yeah im definitely not getting this game , or at least not at launch think ill wait till medieval and info ages are in , religion and all the other half baked mechanics are done properly and they machine gun rate of 30 bucks for 4 civs 2 leaders and 4 wonders per quarter calms tf down. seriously if its 30 bucks for these mini packs what on earth is the year one expansion (im betting on medieval age +religion) going to be?
That's why I'm sharing all this, no one should be surprised by what they get right now. It's no secret, so if you don't see everything you want then it's best to wait. It always takes 2 years and 2 major expansions for Civ to be 'good'.
Leaders still look sussy cartoony. Guess they did not learn from 6’s flaws. 👎
They learned everything from 6. Civ 6 made 400% more money than Civ 5 on Steam alone, not counting console sales which Civ 5 has zero. Civ 6 on a normal day has as many players than Civ 5 had at its peaks. Civ 6 is currently the most played 4X in the world and consistently a Top 20 most played game on Steam. Not top 20 strategy game, but of all games. Right this second, Civ 7 is the second highest on Steam's Top Sellers chart and it's been in the Top Sellers list for weeks. And for all the criticism Civ 6 received, at the end of the day everyone got it anyway and recent reviews are 90% positive.
What they learned is they can sacrifice 5% on user review scores for 400-500% more money. For every % they sacrifice on user reviews, they make 100% more profit and it doesn't even hurt the playerbase size. They learned everything from Civ 6 and are already raking it in with Civ 7.
@ Appreciate the insight. I guess I am one of the few finicky ones when it comes to cartoony graphics.
Hopefully this will be unlockable by mods. But first they need to finish the rest of the game (1950 - now) and implement a working AI. The AI in Civ 6 got beaten by barbarians which made the entire game completely unplayable and unfun (for me).