Great video. That's the first time I've got a real insight into what these factory bikes are like. Given it was built by Mitch Payton, it's no wonder it's so good. Well done to Kawasaki to.
Still amazes me that this bike is other worldly but it’s still not full factory 🤯 the one bike that I think would be amazing to break down would be RV’s 250 des nations bike he won both motos on. That bike must be unbelievable!! Love the content guys ✊
Those PC bikes back than were so much faster than everything. Mitch has talked about them a lot they could make them fast as hell but the motors blew up every race they eventually came up with a steel girdle to go inside the aluminum cases that held motors together for an entire race Langston, RV and Townley were unstoppable on those bikes.
This bike is as “factory” as you can get. There really hasn’t been a true “factory” bike since 1985. The AMA Production Rule instituted in 1986 states that any motorcycles raced in AMA Pro Racing Motocross or Supercross events MUST be homologated,meaning that a certain number of the machines must be available for purchase inside the U.S. prior to anybody competing aboard these motorcycles in said AMA Pro Racing events. Frames must remain stock, as can be purchased at a dealer,along with the rear swingarm. Exceptions are made for added strength. The engine mount LOCATION,along with steering-head ,swing-arm pivot point, and rear suspension linkage point must be the same as the homologated model. Subframe can be replaced, but must be made of steel , aluminum, or titanium ( NOT CARBON FIBER,unless the stock machine comes with a carbon fiber subframe ), but the subframe MUST BE OF SIMILAR DESIGN and use the same mounting points as stock. As far as the engine modifications go. Everything used to modify the engine ( piston, crankshaft, valves, and ect.) must be the same as the homologated model. There are more rule but that is the nutshell. I’ve been involved in the industry as a mechanical engineer and materials engineer developing performance parts for over 35 years. If you have the money you can buy a “factory bike” from just about any team. You CAN buy all the parts that the teams use.
@@mikebrown41182 So as far as magnesium engine covers go, Yamaha and KTM offer them directly from the dealers. If you search the web you can find a host of aftermarket companies who also offer magnesium side covers. You mentioned the transmission, from my experience these transmissions aren’t as trick as you believe they are. Some riders change the size of the gears and in most cases the transmission is VAPOR BLASTED to smooth or debur any imperfections. Most engine components are VAPOR BLASTED and cases are split and matched. All titanium nuts, bolts, screws, washers are available through several online companies. Magnesium wheel hub are also available online from several companies.
That's a total beauty. I only wish he elborated more on how the bike felt compared to other bikes he rode. Like what made it stand out. He obviously liked it over other bikes, he just didnt explain how so.
the same things that seperate works or factory racers over regular ones power of course but mainly top of the line ohlins suspension and set up by factory ohlins tech. From back in the day a few magazine riders rode great privateer bikes then works bike said power was almost equal just delivered differently downlow or mid range or high depending on tune for a track but the night and day was suspension and its tuning. said the works bikes could just go faster due to suspension
You did an excellent job describing this absolutely gorgeous ride. I’ve never been a huge four stroke guy, but the way you described it was hard to not love it. I’ve always been a Team Green fella, so it makes the bike that much more amazing, and it’s not even from the south. Speaking of green four strokes that aren’t from the south, ya know what’s not? Chad Reed and his early 00’s Yamaha Y-Zed 250 factory machine what needs oil mixed with the petrol. I’ve heard that the boys at Yammie dug deep to make that machine exist. Apparently it’s scary as fuck. I’m going home now.
Buddie had RC’s practice 125 back in the day and brothers it would shred…had those unobtanium triple clamps we’d gaze into like a crystal ball…suspension would blow you away…pro circuit has always been my favorite bunch since 91…
I've always admired Pat Foster and his opinions on bikes! He is always humble and down to earth! Donn Maeda, I dunno about him, he always comes across as a cocky dude, and I'm a 69 model like him! Thank you for the great content and any chance you fella's will get a chance to ride KR94's RMZ 450??????
The real deal? The design that goes into the KHI hubs is superior, PC would only be able Ti make them if they hire the top japanese enginers and get the equipment, but that would not be worth it. That is why PC buy what he needs and why they are only made in certain sets, Haan, Talon, Kite, what they offer to the public is not even close in quality to those hubs. But i would have to agree, it would be cool, but it would be a replica but the real deal would cost you and PC way to much money to be worth it.
whoever bought the bike, better take it apart and have schematics of the parts, have them drawn on CAD so he is able to have them produced for himself.
@@giusepperomania4247 that isnt factory showa it is just A kit anyone can buy and in the vid there seems to be a bleeder on the fight fork that comes out and does a 45.. most showa kit stuff seems to have just adjusters for a flat head and nothing coming out. makes it seem it is air
@@garrett3234 first is an A kit, and maybe showa will sell to some rider in the top 15 in supercross not to everyone. the bike is spring fork not air, i know extremly well that bike. you comparing that fork to a oem fork and that were you get confuse!
What makes you believe could have done better? Not that the bike is bad, evidently it is a rocketship. He opted to stay away from it because he was searching for a specific feeling, only a rider of his caliper could feel wich he did not get with the KX platform. Might have done worse on it actually. A bike is still tailored to the riders but then there is some stuff a mortal man cant feel anyway wich makes the top riders either happy or wants something else.
@@mikebrown41182 because the KX is a better bike and the E start would have got him a 1st place last weekend. Ken liked the KX just fine as the other commenter said HEP offered him the most money these Kawi’s were a backup if he didn’t sign with a team.
@@mikebrown41182 he could have had Mitch build him any bikes he wanted as his personal bikes he chose these for a reason he obviously liked them. So as you stated a rider of his level looks for a specific feel and when he had his choice of any bike on the market this is what he picked.
Why’s it called men rockzens bike when he never rode the thing nor for kawisaki. 30k for that junk 🤦🏻♂️ for an extra 10k you could have gotten an actual factory pro circuit kx250f.
The term "factory bike" and the lame-ass reason you can't buy them is nothing short of big corporate bullshit. It also tells me they're scared decent riders on them would make the "Pro's" look bad.
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Great video. That's the first time I've got a real insight into what these factory bikes are like. Given it was built by Mitch Payton, it's no wonder it's so good. Well done to Kawasaki to.
Would've been sick to see the one with the RedBull Graphics!
Still amazes me that this bike is other worldly but it’s still not full factory 🤯 the one bike that I think would be amazing to break down would be RV’s 250 des nations bike he won both motos on. That bike must be unbelievable!! Love the content guys ✊
Greatest ride ever! Even RC's comeback performance was crazy!
Those PC bikes back than were so much faster than everything. Mitch has talked about them a lot they could make them fast as hell but the motors blew up every race they eventually came up with a steel girdle to go inside the aluminum cases that held motors together for an entire race Langston, RV and Townley were unstoppable on those bikes.
This bike is as “factory” as you can get. There really hasn’t been a true “factory” bike since 1985. The AMA Production Rule instituted in 1986 states that any motorcycles raced in AMA Pro Racing Motocross or Supercross events MUST be homologated,meaning that a certain number of the machines must be available for purchase inside the U.S. prior to anybody competing aboard these motorcycles in said AMA Pro Racing events.
Frames must remain stock, as can be purchased at a dealer,along with the rear swingarm. Exceptions are made for added strength.
The engine mount LOCATION,along with steering-head ,swing-arm pivot point, and rear suspension linkage point must be the same as the homologated model.
Subframe can be replaced, but must be made of steel , aluminum, or titanium ( NOT CARBON FIBER,unless the stock machine comes with a carbon fiber subframe ), but the subframe MUST BE OF SIMILAR DESIGN and use the same mounting points as stock.
As far as the engine modifications go. Everything used to modify the engine ( piston, crankshaft, valves, and ect.) must be the same as the homologated model. There are more rule but that is the nutshell. I’ve been involved in the industry as a mechanical engineer and materials engineer developing performance parts for over 35 years. If you have the money you can buy a “factory bike” from just about any team. You CAN buy all the parts that the teams use.
@@motoxman541 Good luck getting for example , Magnesium cases used prior but lets say the - KHI transmission, ignition and hubs from Japan 👍🏼.
@@mikebrown41182 So as far as magnesium engine covers go, Yamaha and KTM offer them directly from the dealers. If you search the web you can find a host of aftermarket companies who also offer magnesium side covers. You mentioned the transmission, from my experience these transmissions aren’t as trick as you believe they are. Some riders change the size of the gears and in most cases the transmission is VAPOR BLASTED to smooth or debur any imperfections. Most engine components are VAPOR BLASTED and cases are split and matched. All titanium nuts, bolts, screws, washers are available through several online companies. Magnesium wheel hub are also available online from several companies.
That's a total beauty. I only wish he elborated more on how the bike felt compared to other bikes he rode. Like what made it stand out. He obviously liked it over other bikes, he just didnt explain how so.
the same things that seperate works or factory racers over regular ones power of course but mainly top of the line ohlins suspension and set up by factory ohlins tech. From back in the day a few magazine riders rode great privateer bikes then works bike said power was almost equal just delivered differently downlow or mid range or high depending on tune for a track but the night and day was suspension and its tuning. said the works bikes could just go faster due to suspension
Pat is by faaaaar the best tester / reviewer in the business.
Nah, keefer
@@skeetskeet9371 keefer is def good as well
Wish Kenny would've rode this... it's sweeeeeeet lookin
You did an excellent job describing this absolutely gorgeous ride. I’ve never been a huge four stroke guy, but the way you described it was hard to not love it. I’ve always been a Team Green fella, so it makes the bike that much more amazing, and it’s not even from the south.
Speaking of green four strokes that aren’t from the south, ya know what’s not? Chad Reed and his early 00’s Yamaha Y-Zed 250 factory machine what needs oil mixed with the petrol. I’ve heard that the boys at Yammie dug deep to make that machine exist. Apparently it’s scary as fuck. I’m going home now.
Cool to know how good the factory guys have it! At least it sounds like this dude is getting his money worth.
This test is so cool on so many levels!
I would be amazing to see a go pro mounted first reaction video.
If pat was blown away by the power it must be a monster. I wish kenny had gone with this bike.
I don't think the kawi's handling would have matched roczen's riding style
What a beautiful machine!
Buddie had RC’s practice 125 back in the day and brothers it would shred…had those unobtanium triple clamps we’d gaze into like a crystal ball…suspension would blow you away…pro circuit has always been my favorite bunch since 91…
I've always admired Pat Foster and his opinions on bikes! He is always humble and down to earth! Donn Maeda, I dunno about him, he always comes across as a cocky dude, and I'm a 69 model like him! Thank you for the great content and any chance you fella's will get a chance to ride KR94's RMZ 450??????
@buddysumner4022 he sure comes across that way. I've always liked him quite a bit.
Yeahhh buddy!! I was parked right next to yall watching you guys film
When I saw them for sale at PC, I considered buying one. To say I own a factory level PC built bike would be ok for the $$$$.
Sick bike !! nice fox shirt and pants that pat foster was wearing , fox has the coolist designes.
The crazier thing is that I guarantee pro circuit took something off of that bike or didnt add something to it yet because he was not committed…
I feel like $30,000 is very reasonable for a bike like that.
You’re bad with money huh?
@@brandonespinoza111suspension alone is 11k so add it up it isnt far off tbh
$30.000 for that bike is nothing!
Ty Masterpool ring a bell ? Suspension and FMF pipe on a bone stock Kawi 450 did what last weekend ? money doesn’t buy talent…
@@BERZERKERSV4 Money does buy comfort and safer riding. It's not always about going faster
lol i like that you made the pipe change color lol it had to be red hot while riding if it blue after lol also probably ti
Would have loved to at least seen KRoc on that Kawasaki 👍👍👍
Still got that thing kicking around
This made me think of highpoint last weekend kenny kickstarting that suzuki🤣
No the owner of custom upfits bought it
hmm, masterpool felt it was a really smooth engine combo.
Man I really wish he was on a Kawi...
I was really hoping Ken was going to race the PC kawi
I ride a '21 kx450. I couldn't even imagine how badass that one feels like.
Polish the ports and have the computer remapped. 😊😊😊😊
You'll love it even more.
Like what ecu they run and who maps that stuff you never here that talked about on pro circuit very secret
When will PC make Works KHI style hubs? hmm
The real deal? The design that goes into the KHI hubs is superior, PC would only be able Ti make them if they hire the top japanese enginers and get the equipment, but that would not be worth it. That is why PC buy what he needs and why they are only made in certain sets, Haan, Talon, Kite, what they offer to the public is not even close in quality to those hubs. But i would have to agree, it would be cool, but it would be a replica but the real deal would cost you and PC way to much money to be worth it.
Dam good looking bike 👍 👍
Love what you put out guys but why are your videos always so dark??
I would have loved to watch Ken rip this thing. He podiumed on the Suzk I can't help but think he might have pulled off a W on this thing.
That Suzuki has some punch too to get them hole shots ha
He did win on the Suzuki.
@@gregbowen9546 not an overall
@@Randy_Cox He won a SX final in 2023.
@@Randy_Coxlook up 2023 Indianapolis SX highlights on TH-cam. Or Google Ken Roczen 2023 Suzuki win.
Too bad all we got to do was listen to you talk about it. Let’s hear that thing!
Hopefully ken will remember to thank ping this time
I'd love this bike! Heck I wish there was a KX like this in a desert tranny/6 speed wide ratio, BAD!
I hope Donn took it for some laps too!
I wanna see dyno numbers on that thing
Remember tortelli’s million dollar crf?
Who does Mitch’s ecu s
i inew these where not photo shopped 😂
Should give it to masterpool
To bad you have that music playing over the music,, cool bike though 🤓🤙
Now go find jeff wards old KX500 works bike, that is a real beast this 450 in hulk jr kx500 2 stroke is the real green monster HULK SR
whoever bought the bike, better take it apart and have schematics of the parts, have them drawn on CAD so he is able to have them produced for himself.
I am shocked all of those parts with stock hubs..........
I doubt it would have enough power for me.
Two sr450s for the price of a kr94 factory edition. Got money rich people?
Any modern 450 makes more than enough power for a regular person .
For 30k I could build a sweet Suzuki with different setup
Not with e start
You’d still have a heavy kickstart bike.
@@stevesmith756 What's a matter you don't have leg muscles??
Nope I’m old and the e start I’d the best thing since sliced bread 😆
Blue or black back fender come on PC.
what the fuck are you talking about
Ken said a few times he never rode the kawi
They also said in the video he never rode it, listening is hard isnt it
Sick or Sick, Which one?
😂😂
720P wtf
Kenny should have raced that
Agreed
I wish Kenny would have had this bike last weekend, Jett would be #2
Obviously I’m stupid , i thought ken was riding a Suzuki ?
Those details were explained
It’s ok we all struggled in skooll 😂
Yep you hit the nail on the head 😂
I honestly thought he looked better on the kawi
doesnt look like standard spring a kit showa to me. Is it air?
no is springs, that is an A kit factory showa, not the standard that comes with the bike!
@@giusepperomania4247 that isnt factory showa it is just A kit anyone can buy and in the vid there seems to be a bleeder on the fight fork that comes out and does a 45.. most showa kit stuff seems to have just adjusters for a flat head and nothing coming out. makes it seem it is air
@@garrett3234it probably is, most teams are on air
@@Runk3lsmcdougal Yea I know ken put kyb air on his suzuki so maybe it is the ssf air forks. Either way super sick bike
@@garrett3234 first is an A kit, and maybe showa will sell to some rider in the top 15 in supercross not to everyone. the bike is spring fork not air, i know extremly well that bike. you comparing that fork to a oem fork and that were you get confuse!
Like I expect an honest review for a PC bike. If they said negative things about it that would be the last pro circuit bike they ever rode
💚 😍
I knew a guy who bought a pc race bike. It was amazing for a month, he did zero maintenance, and it became a turd.
Nice, but 10 minutes talking ... lap times of those three KXf450 would be nicer!
Ken could have done better on this bike I think. I wish I would have bought a KX this year.
but no pay check from it
@@sexatica the Pay from HEP can’t be very high either most his money came from personal sponsorship I’d imagine.
What makes you believe could have done better? Not that the bike is bad, evidently it is a rocketship. He opted to stay away from it because he was searching for a specific feeling, only a rider of his caliper could feel wich he did not get with the KX platform. Might have done worse on it actually. A bike is still tailored to the riders but then there is some stuff a mortal man cant feel anyway wich makes the top riders either happy or wants something else.
@@mikebrown41182 because the KX is a better bike and the E start would have got him a 1st place last weekend. Ken liked the KX just fine as the other commenter said HEP offered him the most money these Kawi’s were a backup if he didn’t sign with a team.
@@mikebrown41182 he could have had Mitch build him any bikes he wanted as his personal bikes he chose these for a reason he obviously liked them. So as you stated a rider of his level looks for a specific feel and when he had his choice of any bike on the market this is what he picked.
Jett would still win on this
No real insider information? Tricks and specifics?
Why’s it called men rockzens bike when he never rode the thing nor for kawisaki. 30k for that junk 🤦🏻♂️ for an extra 10k you could have gotten an actual factory pro circuit kx250f.
Guess I don’t pay attention .
Definitely a better bike than his Suzuki, too bad he didn’t end up racing this thing.
What's Mitch's phone number? 😉
A stock KX450 could race a sx and win if KR won on a junk Suzuki
Well ken must like suzuki better 😅
u ride it or sit in a chair and talk about it?
there isnt a dirtbike made worth over 2500 period
LMFAO
The term "factory bike" and the lame-ass reason you can't buy them is nothing short of big corporate bullshit. It also tells me they're scared decent riders on them would make the "Pro's" look bad.
30k x3 or x4 LOL
I rhink he should of wemt Kawasaki for sure