The Deck that could challenge Fire Decks
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Hi Joshua how are you , i like your videos, also for labrynt it's good that deck list , the líne that give the unchained card it's very good for a second play not just set 3 trap card and pass ...for the other hand i undestand that dragons have very hard this format More for the ban list ,limit chaos space really hurt the deck to much but i would like to see you how you make a dragón link profile for next meta uncoming... As an opinión i think to main evenly or lightining storm for backrown specialy for rescue Ace ..what do you think?
I actually watched the deck building video before this one. And all the way through, I was questioning why are you including the unchained package? You can rarely make it, yet you dedicated half of your extra decks for it, and somewhat crippled one of your best cards in extrav. And the only scenario which you justified the engine doesn't even justify it, because I realized it when you were building your deck that if you already had transaction and your big welcome got ashed, you would have being much better searching a furniture that would make your big welcome alive again, plus search a welcome, and you would have already chained arias to special and synchro for chaos angel or link for muckraker or just leave them on field to resolve big welcome again.
However, I kind of liked your logic to not play more 1 of normal traps than just 1. But that would leave a hole in the extra deck since you wouldn't play punishment, and that problem will exist since you "must" get rid of the unchained package in favor of the black goat post phni.
I really like this 1+1 sort of deck profile/creation thing.
Great video, and might I say, it's really nice to see a deck profile video that keeps all cards on the table. It not only lets you progressively see more of the deck and think about other cards as you are, but it allows you as the presenter to literally reference cards back and forth with ease. Hope to see more of these, and hopefully the style catches on ~ !
I really appreciate the effort after the competitive content discussion you are spearheading new types of and more competitive content. You'll defiantly make competitive yugioh more mainstream over time if you keep it up. Great Work!
Definitely *
Fr. even seeing like pak and teamsamurai posting the more competitve content is really refreshing. I think it’s being well received
There is no Yugioh creator out there that helps me understand this game better than you, Josh. How you explain, in concise detail, decisions, situations, ideas and concepts in an easily digestible manner is unmatched. I've been on Lab since release and even I learned something new here. Incredible.
So glad you got into content creation. The space needs someone of your caliber.
your deck profiles have been really fantastic lately, this was very insightful thank you.
First of all, I really llike the competitive content, especially because this is the deck that I play. What I am missing is something I personally struggle the most with: A siding guide. What would you side out, how many cards would you side out and why? Because I am a little lost every game two or three on judging specifically what I'd need against my opponents deck. Is it worth siding in the Bystials versus Mannadium to prevent Astraloud and have a Body/Followup? Is it worth siding in droll against Kash and taking out engine cards even though there is a chance he D-Shifters me?
Personally, I do run the unchained package. I like it a lot, for the same reasons you mentioned. It increases the ceiling of disruptions and, what you didnt even mention, can float into more disruption. Escape triggers Lord of Yama, who can then summon back Arianna, who can then add a furniture piece, or a Lady who can fetch another trap from your deck and if you start the combo with Cooclock + Furniture, you always end up with the clock back in the hand, which immediately enables the trap you set via lady to be activated.
This also is the reason why I do not like running one lady. S:P little knight is almost never immediate removal, especially because youre often Fiendlocked. Lady is the main body that makes Chaos Angel, who is basically your main source of non-destruction or extra deck removal, since big welcome often enough has to be activated or a bounce doesnt dispose of a threat permanently (Horus sarc, for example..)
I find myself in situations quite often where a second lady as an untargeteable threat on the board is vital, especially because she being in the deck increases the value of your resetting regular welcomes so much. The extra deck doesnt have that much immediate removal available and a smart opponent will avoid to trigger arias as long as possible, and not getting to Chaos Angel to banish for example a Horus Sarc can lead to you losing on the crackback.
Anyway, having a second Lady available as an add from a re-summoned arianna through Lord of Yama is very important in my opinion because sometimes when you're stopped going first, you're linking off your first lady for the unchained engine with - lets say - an Arianna, because with lady + arianna you have a bounce and a draw, while the unchained combo results in a link, a pop that can trigger furnitures and regular welcome, and an arianna add at the very minimum.
Another thing I do not like too much is the lack of a removal trap. Something searchable that can dispose of a singular threat, preferably without destroying it and being able to hit backrow for increased versatility. Ive been liking Terrors of the Overroot a lot more again recently, as it not only works well against kashtira and fire king island but can be used as a general removal tool. The Black Goat Laughs is an amazing card, I already got myself two copies as well, but it is a preventive card where sometimes you wont have the ability to set it up or will be able to deal with a threat on board, especially if you cannot consistently make a chaos angel. And to me losing to a sticky beatstick is probably the worst feeling.
Ive tested Ice Dragons prison as it can dispose of both garura and garunix vs. Fire king, but im not too sure what to think about it since it can only dispose of monsters and is quite matchup reliant, although it doesnt target or destroy.
I currently do not like too many handtraps in the main deck, especially because - as you mentioned - almost all of your combos are two or three card combos and I dont want to brick on handtraps. I will probably cut ash for droll in the main deck in the future (at least for attending very competitive events where I expect huge numbers of fire king players), as ash doesnt seem to have as much of an impact on the fire decks and rely on the labrynth engine for additional disruption to those 6 handtraps (3 Droll, 3 Imp). But also do run 3 Arias, which can turn together with a Lady, Arianna or Furnitures into an immediate set trap from deck or hand, a pop with lovely or a bounce, but also work as starters which I feel has overall more value. Having something that can 50/50 disrupt or start your combo vs. something that can only disrupt and isnt necessarily even effective.
Also I'm not too sure whether increasing the count of the black goat laughs to more than one is a viable idea, because then a lot of disruption in your deck relies of seeing specifically a way to get to furniture, which can be iffy and seeing like a shuffler and TBGL on your hand with zero furnitures in sight is a pretty bad feeling. Especially because TBGL is basically dead into established boards.
What are your thoughts on my points?
I like your thought process on this, but doesn’t Ash on Ponix basically end the turn or am I missing something?
@@exileddarkness2683 in sinful spoils fire king ash almost always is a waste of a handtrap because they always have an extender that lets them full combo regardless fire king island isn't required for them to build a board
On the plus channel there’s a vod of duel against farfa, and he talks about his thought process for siding in between games
Using ash blossom against fire king is like signing your death sentence.
I don't comment very often but i love this type of videos you make and i want to give my full support. Keep going!
So, funny thing is: I have Dinh-Kha Bui at my locals and he is always cooking some stuff (sometimes random things, you wouldn't expect) And today, he was not even playing the Unchained version. But he inspired the Backjack version for me, which I still love and play.
I do think, it is a superior version of this deck, for one reason alone: Not immediately dying to Ash/Belle, if you did not open Rollback. Today alone, I lost two games, just because I do not have the Unchained cards yet. Still waiting on the mail.
The Daruma Karma Cannon is more often than not an immediate game winner. So that one will stay, although I can see, why you would exchange it for "The black goat laughs" (Still a funny name. Die schwarze Ziege lacht.)
Where does Dinh-Kha Bui play his locals?
I‘d rather not open it up, to protect his privacy :-)
@@tolgsi4199you’re an actual king for that 👑
I think cutting a second copy of lady isn't a terrible thing, especially because it's hard balancing the monsters out with the traps. But i find she's really nice to open with, because then you can search another monster like an ariane or lovely with big welcome, get a draw ect and still set up a different trap. Plus people often target lady to banish, so its nice to use her as bait while also having another one ready. Plus being able to use welcome to get a clock and use the trap you set with lady is really strong, just being able to adapt like that
Thanks for putting in the fine to make these types of videos, you rock
I’d really like to see how unchained with berserk archfiend does, I think it’s a lot like having 6 aruha, but 3 of them are level 6, and I think people just counted out unchained too quickly
Would love to get your take on Ghoti with the new Phantom Nightmare support. Really enjoy the in-depth deck building as someone who likes to theory craft myself.
I main an unchained lab deck currently it uses much more unchained cards then lab. There's always some interactions that escape can be discarded with furniture and set with Sarama . I haven't gotten roll back yet but I can see that being a very solid 3 of. I'm glad you didn't decide to use the virus cards or d barrier. Really prepared for fire king.over all great list
Thanks for the video Josh!
This was simply amazing.
I'm more of a fan of prosperity in labrynth though, the draw 2 is good but digging for side deck cards in game 2 and 3 has been phenomenal for me
Prosperity is okay, but the extra draws are what’s good with the furnitures. Helps get discards
Hey man, been watching you for awhile but this is my first time commenting, love the new competitive content it has been awesome
All my friends called me crazy for only playing one Lady. I can not put into words how happy i am to see a strong player doing the same.
as a casual player, but as competitive as possible with my friends, i personally love these kinds of videos! please keep it up!
Great video!
It would be nice to see your thoughts on how some "dead" decks can evolve and find their place in the meta such as Purrely and Unchained.
Been testing Lab for a while now. TY for showing the unchained line.
In MD I've been using it with performapal five-rainbow magician. Its not only good vs SHS but its also randomly good vs other stuff.
Did you tested Ariane lines?
Did you tried
What are your thoughts on plunder patroll labrynth? I find it quick nice and it has great turn 0 plays
videos like this are so good. excited for more
Very good content its very educative i would like to thanks you for that
Maybe a vidéo or guide on a t2 deck who think that a good contender for the upcoming format ?
Thanks for more TH-cam videos. I have nothing against twitch but I don't watch streams there
Will you revisit earthbound runick for any updates? particularly looking for ways to potentially fit dis pater into the extra deck.
I saw someone run the Diabellstar package with the Hot red type negate effect trap. Interestesting other discard and can set up transaction in grave more.
I cannot wait for the PHNI deckbuilding streams, we have so much unexplored territory with the pure(r) Snake-Eyes decks.
Absolutely love the deck building streams and then the final decklist videos. Finally something awesome for a competitive resource
The unchained stuff seems really good, you can pop rage and one of their monsters with escape, Yama cl1 rage cl2, then bring back rage to make sp. that’s 4 interactions, + sharvara in hand
I’m on crossout in the main for my branded list, I think crossout is kinda needed if you aren’t on a fire deck this format
I've been trying out 3 Fenrir in the main. I might try a 43-45 card build for Labrynth Unchained
I love this!
bro's a cutie patootie frfr
Great video overall but it'd be nice to see some explanations of what cards do. I understand not explainig obvious cards like Big Welcome and such, but not having amy description of cards like The Black Goat Laughs is a little annoying for someone who just wants to listen to a video.
The music is sooo dang quiet but is that the shop music from Orcarina of time? 😂
What are your thoughts on 2 Kashtira Fenrir in the main deck. Not only is it a free discard, but it’s helpful no matter going 1st or 2nd?
Wee woo one lady how far the deck has come
No blowout traps in the side? Different Dimension Ground/Dimensional Barrier/Magic Deflector?
Those 3 you mentioned + Eradicator should be sided In Labrynth 100%
Cool video could you try rescue ace If have a big tournement next week and i am betwenn does 2 decks
Please give us more vids like this
We *LOVE* TCG content josh!
Now you already know how strong are the fire decks how would you adapt or improve a labrynth deck build or it is already dead for this format?
Keep up the good work, very nice style and I am loving this content!
A small thing though, try centering Josh in the middle of the circle Mr. Editor
as bad as it sounds id live to see you try and build a ghoti deck
3months ago on the ocg reveals you said youd like for ghoti to be meta relevant :)
im struggling to decide between runick ghoti, adventure ghoti, spright ghoti, SHS ghoti, etc
However OCG players found that Larbynth is not a strong opponent vs fire king. Larbynth only has 28.72% win fire king when going second according to Mycard database(48% when go first). Larbynth depends a lot on Different Dimension Ground to defeat fire king, which also banish Larbynth monsters. Maybe TCG situation would be different?
One difference is OCG Larbynth only has 2 big welcome but I don't think one extra big welcome would make larbynth work very well vs fire king.
Why should it be different? If there is a deck in the TCG that could possibly beat FK, it`s Kash.
I want to see josh playing snakeeye runic
Kind of off-topic, but what would you guys consider to be the best sleeves in terms of quality?
I’m expanding from playing MD to also wanting to play some TCG (EU). All tips welcome!
Inner sleeves which ever Artwork you Like best and then oversleeve them with Dragon shields (i prefer transparent)
Like the other reply said, I like to use art sleeves and then just different over sleeves. Dragon shield transparent are pretty common over sleeves and I used them for a while but I also really like using Broccoli over sleeves that I get from amazon jp. Honestly a lot of the yugioh art sleeves are really cool and as long as you're oversleeving you don't have to worry about how fragile they are.
@@ZuezteaJapanese over sleeves or the regular over sleeves
@@RobinsAssistant i use the japanese size oversleeves
Damn, josh really built up the lab hype then left us dead in the water for post PHNI format.
What do you think about centurion? It can compete or it is just copium? :/ I don’t want to play fire decks and labrynth doesn’t get my attention
Missing blowout traps in the side. D barrier, EEV, DDG
I've played Ikea for a while and I really DON'T like the Unchained package. It's mainly because Escape in particular feels so bad to draw. You either have to bend over backwards to get the rest of the Unchained cards online or you just have a card that's even worse than Driver. It led to quite a few hands that were so much worse when I was playing with it. On a completely different note, I'm surprised by the lack of blowout normal traps in the side. I can understand the lack of Eradicator, but I really think DDG is good for stopping almost all Snake Eye Fire King plays.
beatutiful!
Not ironically this is the list that im using to climb on db (im at 1200 points right now) the only differents thing are that i play Ariane that is really good with rollback and with the new trap she will become a must have imo, i only play 1 arias e 2 lady and i cutted out daruma because i dont feel that in really need that card to win with the unchained stuff in the deck anyway you dont really need crossout in deck because with engine going first u can easly beat ash and belle with arias or a good combination of card
The shit that could fight fire deck
FINALLY MY BABY LAB DECK
im a weirdo and run 3 ultimate slayer in my lab deck, with dogma punish.
Play eradicator in the side Deck in my Lab Deck against the mirror
Idk seems fine so x)
Skull meister stops transaction roll back
To me, arias feels a little weird when you’re not playing a lot of strong traps
Suprised no virus cards or ddg in the deck or side deck.
Please cover pure centurion i cant afford the horus engine xd
I'm a simple person I see new josh video I click
Awesome usage of Unchained.
What does everyone think of The Black Goat Laughs? lol I took an L thinking it was gonna be a card everyone wanted and bought a playset for $85 and saw how it dropped to $20 in 2 days 😢
bruh are you serious
@@yy5173 Yup! 🥲
This is why you don't buy pre-sale. I just bought 2 copies of black goat at my local shop for $20.
It looks like he's wearing a helmet. 😂
1 lady sounds crazy
Man TCG must be great… not having to deal with the stupid consistency hits Konami love to do on MD. Plus no roach
Joshi whats your opinion about voiceless voice
Needs to side or main DDG
Notes for Josh and the editor tyl0o, you're doing a good job but if there is anything to improve on this video, more than the contents, is the visuals.
I will be a bit "harsh", but because this is meant to be a YT video, and not a Twitch stream highlight, I would expect as a viewer much more curated content.
First, when you zoom in at 1:43... Please just switch back to the full screen cam, we can see the pixelated outline of the circle, it's just not very good to look at. Try to use the screen as best as you can, having only a table with cards on it feels a bit lazy/rushed content.
Since it's a dicussion about cards, you could bring up a higher res image of the card we're talking about on screen, maybe with even a graphic with the card's text on screen (This last part is to be studied, because leaving on screen text with no time for the viewer to read is generally bad taste, I am here just to leave food for thought so that you two can further discuss this together)
Also please, it would be very helpful to have, at the end of the video, an image that showcases the full deck, and even better, leave the DuelingBook deck link in the description so that everyone can reference it, and add the last set released and last banlist at the time of filming, so that your content can have further archival purposes and it will be much easier for people to reference it in the future.
Thank you for reading, feel free to hit me up to discuss videomaking content further because it's a thing I find fun. Have a nice day, have a nice resolved Welcome Lab.
Anything to avoid playing fire huh?
Its weird to me
I play Lab myself and i need to ask now
Why does Lab play Extravaganz and Not prosperity?
Is there a clear explanation?
The deck has so many way to loop resources and search. Card advantage in this case is vastly superior. For this reason it becomes an ash magnet, which this deck wants activated before big welcome if at all possible anyway.
The deck needs card advantage more than digging the right card, since you can access to the right lab card(s) for 90% of time (e.g: you have 3 big welcome and 9 other cards to access it).
isnt it maybe better that you play 1 baron and 1 chaosangle
I disagree A LOT in playing just 1 Lady and 3 Crossouts in side
Birds?
I always sad that the unchained version had potential
Hi Joshua how are you , i like your videos, also for labrynt it's good deck list , the líne that give the unchained card it's very good for a second play not just set 3 trap card and pass ...for the other hand ,i undestand that dragons have very hard match up agains fire decks this format even more for the ban list ,limit chaos space really hurt the deck to much but i would like to see you how you make a dragón link profile for next meta uncoming... As an opinión i think to main evenly or lightining storm for backrown specialy for rescue Ace ..what do you think?
lab best deck
Why extravagance and not prospertity?
Because draw 2 > dig 1 in Lab
Main deck ash against snake eye sounds awful
Josh, I have nothing but love for you.
But please for the love of god - get yourself a haircut ❤️😂
Well, Lab has a horrible matchup vs. FK, so I doubt it. OCG proves this also.
i pioneered this by playing unchained with another trap based splash. Unchained Z-Arc OP
copium
phhni is live in a few days, make no sense to not put it into your decklist...
Joshia manipulates cardmarket his earthbound video has almost doubled the price of rosemaiden no I can not play synchro spam cause it is out of budget
lab really is a strange deck. your out here playing 10 real traps and try to do monster combo but somehow this really is a trap deck through and through. that just shows how awful the idea of trap cards has become over the years when the one trap deck basically does what every combo deck does and just searched the in archetype trap card, the only difference being that you do that more than once
I personally think rollback is trash , requires your opponent to have a trap to copy hence dead card, Sure it can be discarded to graveyard but it meh. I understand it stops ash and belle but its stiill trash.
It copies the effect of another normal trap in your graveyard. That's the only reason why you would want it in the grave.
@@Lockon_Stratos yes but it a dead card if drawn and you can't send it to graveyard. Game is too fast for redudancy.
@thecookies6109 Hence why you run 3 each of Stovie and Chandraglier. Ariane can also send it to the grave, and Shavara can destroy it if it's set. Rollback is still a pretty important card for Labrynth to run, especially if your Big Welcome gets Ash'd or Belle'd.
no thank you governer i will play the adventure package and triple feather storm
Does this mean Runick Bystial ain’t it anymore? MST just came out with a vid yesterday saying how it would be one of the best decks
Mst is trash
@@user-xk8xb5nw3e facts.
Runick is fine and eventually will be optimized for Fire Format. The issue is Bystials doing nothing as interruption (banishing diabel, IP or linkuriboh is meh) while also exclusively requiring your own gy as a resource.
What happen to your face and hair??
Not a fire deck 😭😭😭
Ppl hype lab every format lmao it's always mid
I mean it has multiple ycs tops sooooo maybe not that mid but under represented
It's the top deck on Bologna (3/8) only lose against Joshua Bystial Runick and mirror match.
But it's shit on this format because Fire King doesn't care about it. It can still steal a win from FK if in the post game one they draw/search the out (Soul Release/Different Dimension Ground)
I agree that shit wack as hell I been undefeated against them playing with snake eyes without poplar for 3 weeks it just don’t do enough
This is literally one of the most difficult decks to play. The amount of time that has to be invested in this deck to play it at such a high level is the reason why it isn't the highest representation. But incredibly skilled players have consistently topped with it
@@itsyaroy5614 thats how most of the top decks Work. rescue ace, fire king and of course now all the snake eye decks are pretty skill full
*What about dinomorphia?*
You serious?
Instant lose because of time lmao
What about it
@@LS-qs9juplay faster
It won’t. Save the time
This aged amazingly 💯🫱🏼🫲🏽