Video is super useful, but I was still confused about a couple of things and the comments were a big help, this is my summary of what was useful. Biggest clarification that I got from multiple comments :- control groups are remembered, not only across multiple spawns of the illusions, but across games / quitting the game. Also, the same unit can be put into multiple control groups For Naga, to reduce my mental load I've assigned 1 illusion to 1, 2 to 2 and 3 select all other units (which is 3 to start with normally) and 4 to select my hero + my unit from 1. So I can split farm easier such that I can send 2 to 1 camp, send hero + 1 to another type of thing (may be a better way to do this, but this is getting me started!). I assigned space to select my hero (double tap space to select and center camera on hero). The other super useful tip is that ctrl right click movements issues movement orders to all units so if you want to get them all doing something "this is the way".
For PL juking, the 100% dmg taken illusion is also always considered the first illusion summoned, so you can press tab to select it instead of a control group.
These heroes are a lot easier than you'd think. It's only "hard" because you end up having to put more thought into farming than you normally would but once you get it down it is super satisfying.
Love you bro.Your tricks are so efficient that even I who literally didn't play Dota 2 for like 4 years can make it through matches from being useless to useful man
Trick for PL juking: Just get inside demo, use dopple, choose the 100% dmg taken illu, press ctr+2 (the number can be whatever). And when you dopple, and click 2, it will always choose the 100% illu (even in real games outside demo). You only have to do this in demo 1 time, and spam it forever.
Of course, it works with all summons, whatever they are. It's especially useful on druid, shadow demon, visage and beastmaster where you can make your summons cover your flee by attacking your chaser
i have 2 questions: how can i send an illusion to clear a camp and make that illusion to move into another camp after clear it, i see lot of pro do that, like they send an illu to a camp and queue to the next camp once they done. And i also see player to get the view of the selected unit every time they select it, like the currier or tb illus, they "v" and the camera move into it instants. (i know double tap the v will do it, but looks like always does in those players) thanks
Yeah been using this for years very helpful. I think some illusion A click tricks on the minimap is also useful advice to quickly disperse naga illusions to camps or lane.
Is there any reason you would do anything different for summon heroes like Brood or HelmDom Lycan? I have them essentially setup the same way with select all, other, and tab to last. Although the tab to last bite you if you are not keeping track.
For lycan/beast I set my wolves/boars to a hotkey and the neutral to another. Brood could be a 15 min video for hotkey management. There is a Brood spammer that has relatively low views that made a really good Brood guide not too long ago. Can't remember the name and too lazy to look it up.
What about cloning? I remember a while ago when Radiance Naga was meta I watched some guide that had to do with clicking on portraits, I used that one to gain a stupid amount of MMR
its about the same thing, u just go select all units, then move to one place, then ctrl click one illusion, then proceed to move other place, and so on and so on, so they could move in different places. but if you want a better control, u can do bsj trick
Question: Do I have to assign the control groups on new illustions or the game will remember that "manta" illusionts are on X hotkey, and first 2 naga illusions are on Y hotkey, and the second two naga illusions are on Z hotkey?
Are you asking if you have to reassign them every game? The game will remember the hotkey you "store" them to. You don't have to do it every other game. You can do it in your current game or, like the video, in demo mode.
@@Scroooper Let's say I summon 3 naga illusions and ctrl+hotkey assign 2 illusions to X and 1 illusion to Y. Then these illusions expire and I summon another 3 illusions. Now when I press X, will 2 of the new illusions be selected or I need to assign them with ctrl+X again?
As for my experience since I frequently use illusion or summoned units, once a certain unit is spawned, illusion or summoned like brood mother or pl. Just press the same group that you just pressed before that unit was spawned, it will be added.
chaos knight :( would a vid on brood be possible also or are you just way more comfortable on these 3 heroes? would've been nice to say when to use select units on summon or not also, i do it with naga and tb but no pl for example
I'd rather hear how to find the real one in illusion heroes. Back in dota one it was easier to read Regen. Illus don't have Regen so you can see the hp bar difference so quick but that's not the thing on Dota 2 so yeah gg.
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Video is super useful, but I was still confused about a couple of things and the comments were a big help, this is my summary of what was useful. Biggest clarification that I got from multiple comments :- control groups are remembered, not only across multiple spawns of the illusions, but across games / quitting the game. Also, the same unit can be put into multiple control groups For Naga, to reduce my mental load I've assigned 1 illusion to 1, 2 to 2 and 3 select all other units (which is 3 to start with normally) and 4 to select my hero + my unit from 1. So I can split farm easier such that I can send 2 to 1 camp, send hero + 1 to another type of thing (may be a better way to do this, but this is getting me started!). I assigned space to select my hero (double tap space to select and center camera on hero). The other super useful tip is that ctrl right click movements issues movement orders to all units so if you want to get them all doing something "this is the way".
Learned a few tricks! I’ve been wanting an illusion guide for quite some time, very useful 👌🏻
The simplest illusion guide I've been wanting for YEARS! Thank you sir.
bro you solved my many unknowns with that little notes about each hero, many thanks!!!
Altought all those heroes are based on ilusion creation, they're so diffent one from another. That's what I enjoy the most on the game!
For PL juking, the 100% dmg taken illusion is also always considered the first illusion summoned, so you can press tab to select it instead of a control group.
I like to spam the control group for thst illusion when i press doppel, you can't do that with tab
Didn't know that. Thats actually v helpful!
You can also bind a key to focus on selected unit, to move the camera to a selected unit using a console command, nice for tab switching.
Which console command is that? Thanks.
@@golfsk129 I know I'm a little late but someone told me it's "bind KEY dota_camera_center"
This is so much better than me drawing a box and rightclicking like a fucking caveman. I've sent in my courier to die too many times to count lmao
I had no idea you could bind a key to toggle autoattack on the illusions! Game changer!!!
Alternative title, "why you're gonna want to avoid these 3 heroes unless you want to"
These heroes are a lot easier than you'd think. It's only "hard" because you end up having to put more thought into farming than you normally would but once you get it down it is super satisfying.
@@Scroolewse even farming isn't that much different from any other hero that buys manta, which is a lot of them
It’s not that hard. It’s a lot easier than say Meepo or Chen.
For me the draw to these heroes is the added level of skill/difficulty
How do you know😂😂
Love you bro.Your tricks are so efficient that even I who literally didn't play Dota 2 for like 4 years can make it through matches from being useless to useful man
Tip for hotkey for 'toggle autoattack' is very useful. Thanks BSJ!
Another genius video man... thanks! Very helpful! 8500 games and always something to new to learn :D
Thank you! Really waited for this guide!
This is exactly what i was looking for. goddamn
this was ridiculously helpful. Thank you
Trick for PL juking: Just get inside demo, use dopple, choose the 100% dmg taken illu, press ctr+2 (the number can be whatever).
And when you dopple, and click 2, it will always choose the 100% illu (even in real games outside demo). You only have to do this in demo 1 time, and spam it forever.
Called control binding
I needed this video! Thank you BSJ.
Idk why my control groups always resets but it used to be saved anyone know if its some steam cloud setting or smth
so good explained ty
I needed this
Thank you!
As brood, everytime I tab it selects all my spiderlings, i dunno what's happenning
This is exactly what i need tysm
This is really helpful! Thanks BSJ!
Would appreciate the guide with some tips and tricks on Meepo or Arc Warden, especially since Meepo became really popular nowadays. Your guide rocks!
Holly shit! This was so useful. I have some hours played and I have learned a lot. No wonder I suck at ilu heroes.
This really useful, ty
Great! I didn't know that PL thing.
Really helpful thanks
going to add to all the others that were probably waiting for this guide. Is this also applicable to summons from NP, Lycan, etc?
Of course, it works with all summons, whatever they are. It's especially useful on druid, shadow demon, visage and beastmaster where you can make your summons cover your flee by attacking your chaser
YES ! YES ! YEEESSS! GGWP BSJ!
Hey man. Great vid. How about chaos knight?
thanks man it realy helps
i like mouse wheel up /down for selecting hero /all
Genius move
Appreciated Mister Jamma
This video is 10/10 dude
bless this man
thank god bsj updated illu control turorial
Thanks man
Time for the meepo tutorial
This feels like a meepo tutorial for me. 😅
Top tier content here
Can you do a video on all your hotkeys/ settings ?
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Good one, like this content.
ty.
Great video
So if you control bind an illusion once, it will be the same when you resummon them?
i have 2 questions: how can i send an illusion to clear a camp and make that illusion to move into another camp after clear it, i see lot of pro do that, like they send an illu to a camp and queue to the next camp once they done. And i also see player to get the view of the selected unit every time they select it, like the currier or tb illus, they "v" and the camera move into it instants. (i know double tap the v will do it, but looks like always does in those players) thanks
i think you can shift+click orders to queue them
Excelent as always!
Thx bsj sir, its very useful for me. Thx
do these htokeys stay or do you have to reassign them every time you load up a new game
what do you do for your item hotkeys? im so used to using my numbers as items
Unified orders using Ctrl is extremely useful.. wish it would have been mentioned.
Yeah been using this for years very helpful. I think some illusion A click tricks on the minimap is also useful advice to quickly disperse naga illusions to camps or lane.
Is there a Arc warden micro guide?
excelente!
I was just about to search "how to use control groups for Naga" .
Nice vid
You are making a monsters
Is there any reason you would do anything different for summon heroes like Brood or HelmDom Lycan? I have them essentially setup the same way with select all, other, and tab to last. Although the tab to last bite you if you are not keeping track.
For lycan/beast I set my wolves/boars to a hotkey and the neutral to another. Brood could be a 15 min video for hotkey management. There is a Brood spammer that has relatively low views that made a really good Brood guide not too long ago. Can't remember the name and too lazy to look it up.
Too many hotkeys for my 3 buttons office mouse. But i'm playing at low mmr, so isn't like i really need this many functions 😅😅
What about cloning? I remember a while ago when Radiance Naga was meta I watched some guide that had to do with clicking on portraits, I used that one to gain a stupid amount of MMR
its about the same thing, u just go select all units, then move to one place, then ctrl click one illusion, then proceed to move other place, and so on and so on, so they could move in different places. but if you want a better control, u can do bsj trick
So is there a way to toggle your illusions' auto attack instead of toggling the heroes auto attack?
Question: Do I have to assign the control groups on new illustions or the game will remember that "manta" illusionts are on X hotkey, and first 2 naga illusions are on Y hotkey, and the second two naga illusions are on Z hotkey?
Are you asking if you have to reassign them every game? The game will remember the hotkey you "store" them to. You don't have to do it every other game. You can do it in your current game or, like the video, in demo mode.
@@Scroooper Let's say I summon 3 naga illusions and ctrl+hotkey assign 2 illusions to X and 1 illusion to Y. Then these illusions expire and I summon another 3 illusions. Now when I press X, will 2 of the new illusions be selected or I need to assign them with ctrl+X again?
@@musaka87 It will remember the hotkey you assigned previously.
@@Scroooper Nice, thanks :)
As for my experience since I frequently use illusion or summoned units, once a certain unit is spawned, illusion or summoned like brood mother or pl. Just press the same group that you just pressed before that unit was spawned, it will be added.
For some reason I interpreted the title as how to deal with illusion heroes on the enemy team
Can we get a video on good map reading habits and tools that can help awareness across the map?
BSJ LONE DRUID POGGGG
TAB+Attack ground . Done.
wow i just tried to change my hotkeys to match yours and im all fcked off
Anyone here experiencing resetting control groups mid-game on its own? Having to bind again after respawning sucks
did you do something about it?
Future BSJ sent me
Why no meepo
Next up arc warden caster, 4 active items.
Can you pls make a PL guide :). How to play the hero the best :)
He already doese have a guid on pl
Yeah and also watch nightfall's pl game analysis.
I know but it is already 1 year old. Would be nice to have one more guide :)
I'm a DS main, and I'm sad that he is not included on this.
chaos knight :( would a vid on brood be possible also or are you just way more comfortable on these 3 heroes? would've been nice to say when to use select units on summon or not also, i do it with naga and tb but no pl for example
why be sad my brother? isn't ck has the same concept just like naga?
@@aldifirmansyah7543 naga splits illus alot. with ck you just need the "select all button" and then yolo on a support
@@Nyreios Yeah. This is probably why BSJ didn't include CK. His illusions are only used for demolishing in clash.
I'd rather hear how to find the real one in illusion heroes. Back in dota one it was easier to read Regen. Illus don't have Regen so you can see the hp bar difference so quick but that's not the thing on Dota 2 so yeah gg.
thank you so much for this guide i will proceed to never pick any of these heroes ever again
BSJ micro ICANT
on god
I been playing Dota for 10+ years but I still cant multitasking illusions wtf 😂
Need an Item just to reveal illusions.
I still use S to hold position 😂
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Please I beg you to delete this video. Illusion heroes are OP in lower bracket and its almost impossible to deal with them late game
cringe
why?
@@TheNanotekGt don't even ask, he is just a poor boy looking for attention
Why?
And here I really thought your illusion hotkeys would be P N - ! $ 🙃
Awesome guide, I learned about the toggle autoattack.
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