I'd argue it's still too close to the end as there's a lot of bad writing in WWH. But parts of it really were representative of how great Marvel used to be.
@IStevenSeagal Civil War was such a mixed bag because the personality of so many people was written poorly. Reed turned on his family, a line he would never cross. It's just not him. So Civil War had some great stuff in it but so much of the story depended on characters not behaving as they should.
I've argued and debated about this fight for years. I have all the scans and I've broken it down panel by panel to show that until he was removed he was straight up beating the Hulk. I've always thought they represented unstoppable force meets immovable object. This was one of Cains brightest moments and shows off his potential. He absolutely takes it to one of the strongest incarnations of Hulk. Back when that meant something. Power scaling is dead in modern Marvel.
Juggy got a punch, head stop, and head butt to Hulks uppercut. Pretty sure Hulk got up like nuthin' happened. They couldn't been there all day and Hulk would've probably came out on top. Wait, didn't Hulk beat Sentry? Wtf? And before you say it Hulk was gonna come back out before Sentry.
@TheAbbot92 this has nothing to do with Sentry. Juggernaut looked better than hulk until he was removed. Hulk never head stomps Juggernaut. He can't overpower him like usual. They both would have been there all day and likely destroyed the planet.
@@andrewboyer7544 Then Hulk made the smarter decision? I meant that Jug got more hits in. And even Hulk stated that didn't matter anymore. He really wasn't tryna win the fight. I dunno why everyone thinks magic/demons are omnipotent. It's not just unexplainable for people who don't wanna do alota work to win.
Forcing the Hulk to shy away from direct confrontation isn't something many characters can do. Man had to be yeeted away, because even War Hulk here was getting demolished.
@@rohitsinha8404 My dude, Juggernaut is probably the most physically strong character in all of Marvel aside from a couple specific Hulk incarnations, of which War Hulk is not one, when Cyttorak is actually pleased with him. Problem is, he's rarely actually allowed to utilize his full power. Cyttorak only grants it to him when he's behaving selfishly and/or destructively. Even the faintest trace of altruism will see the absolute crap nerfed out of him.
@@tek512 It’s the unstoppable force vs. the immovable object. In this case, Hulk is the immovable object and Juggernaut is the unstoppable force. To your point, Juggernaut is unstoppable once he starts moving and/or gains momentum. The one thing you're leaving out is that the Hulk (even World War Hulk) is the immovable object because he is literally immortal without magic or anything of the sort. Yes, Bruce Banner has been stripped of his gamma radiation before, but there are only a few beings who possess that ability, and they have no immediate relationship to Bruce Banner or even cross paths with him. It always goes wrong in the end, though, so Bruce Banner having the Hulk as a duality is always a constant. Juggernaut, however, is directly linked to the gem of Cyttorak for his power, and the crimson deity is known to nerf Cain's power. That already makes him more vulnerable, as the Hulk will never lose his source of power; in fact, he will only get more powerful on an infinite measure. In this storyline, at this point in time, Hulk was merely warming up, similar to a Super Saiyan. Once Hulk is fully charged up as World War Hulk, like when he fights Sentry with ease, Juggernaut is not winning that fight, even as powerful as he is. He may not die, but he’s surely being “redirected,” lol.
@@b.k1054whole other level only to charge back at juggernaut, get beat, and get pushed back in a power struggle reaffirming that the juggernaut is actually unstoppable when moving (you can see a trail of concrete where his feet is, it’s shown that he’s digging into the ground but he still got pushed back)
Everything is a political statement these days. What gender is this character, whats their sexuality. This, however, was peak comics Pure badassery from everybody, character development, fights. It was all just so cool!
I don't know if Jugg or Hulk would have won, but I think even Hulk knew Juggernaut could keep him delayed for a long ass time and decided to remove him from the fight.
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Hulk beat jugs in the crimson dimension. Everyone takes this out of context and thinks hulk couldn’t win. It’s the fact he didn’t want to have long fights since he only came back to fight and beat those who hurt him. Hulk has more wins over jugs anyway. 6 wins while jugs has 2-3.
Everything before has NOTHING to do with this fight because juggernaut looked better, the writer clearly wanted to show juggernaut had the edge against hulk when he landed more hits and started pushing hulk back
After reading this, Avengers VS X-Men could've ended earlier had the Avengers called the Hulk from the start. At the end of AvX, Hulk was holding his own against Emma Frost whereas the rest of the Avengers were trying to subdue Cyclops.
Heh, Hulk yeeted Jug head right out of the fight. Hilarious, and pretty much the best way to deal with Juggernaut's momentum power. Fantastic series...although, wish the fight went on longer.
@@FernandoComicsOfficial I understand why they did it...pacing...Hulk had other targets to go after. Still, seeing those titans go at it is a welcome spectacle.
Thank you for another awesome video. Juggernaut is my second favourite villain for sure. He's just so cool and crazy strong. When people talk about strength, they always forget good ol juggy. Hulk vs juggernaut will always be an an epic fight. Juggy got distracted this time.
Do you think you can do more fights that characters realistically should have lost but wound up winning and it's not done in a lazy way? Like when Thing knocked out Hulk? Or Spider-man vs Morlun/Juggernaut? Or Black Panther vs the Super Skrull in See Wakanda And Die?
@@lucasbroome1048 i mean I’m really not, just because the circumstances. I KNOW Ben Grimm is still no one to fuck with and I love him as a character. This threw some respect to him
@@tubtubsablubblubs3996 That's what I mean. The circumstances are reasonable, a little bit of plot armor (but not to the point where realism is defenestrated), and willpower. Like Deku defeating Muscular, or Spider-man beating Juggernaut, or Spider-man surviving the Phoenix Five, or Thanos knocked Galactus down or every Morlun encounter. Just picture Green Lantern fighting Zod on his own. No reason he should win this but in the end after breaking his arm and using every ounce of willpower he has, he's able to for a few seconds knock out Zod which throws him into a black hole or something
I love this fight, I'm a huge Hulk fan. Wish you would have shown him scrambling Wolverine's Brain, I LOL'd at that. Also any chance you cover some of the immortal Hulk stories? they are really good
What I love about this fight is how incredible the Hulk was to stop the Juggernaut while the two struggle with their arms. the Hulk releases Cain and shows us the tremendous power that Cain was making to move forward (where he ends up in the river). Once again the Hulk did something impossible. Even when He wasn't interesting on the fight
Not being a part of an attack that you could have helped prevent doesn’t absolve you of responsibility. This definitely should have ended with Xavier being ripped limb from limb. The living using the dead to subsidize their “suffering” is nothing short of disgusting. Like the Hulk, i’m sick and fucking tired of self proclaimed “good people” blaming morality for their cowardice and “diplomacy”. Either do the right thing or don’t. But don’t you dare claim moral superiority when the universe checks your balance.
juggernaut has got to be in ONE xmen movie and he looked so bad, one of the coolest bad guys ever and he looks like an over grown huligan with a stone collar
I always hate how everyone says Hulk defeated the Juggernaut in this fight... He didn't win, he just pushed him aside to avoid a fight that could take days that Hulk didn't have time for.
Looking back at this, I thought it was stupid for the x-men to play line up one at a time to beat our ass. Collectively, the x-men could have even stopped this hulk
Well that's woefully one-sided. The way homelander is treated in the scaling community you would think daredevil could beat him. Then again watching homelander get his ass handed to him is always satisfying.
People need to realize Hulk was holding back against everyone in this storyline, even against Sentry and Zom Infused Strange, Ghostrider, everyone! Some dummies really think Hulk at near his top power combined with Banners intelligence wouldn’t beat a base Juggernaut? Even when a weak version of Professor Hulk knocked out Juggernaut before.
@@thefishhobbyist5478 lmao that’s bias, Hulk himself stated this when talking to Dr. Strange and Cho that he held back in the war in New York, also Cho stated the same thing saying Hulk was pulling his punches. those are FACTS. Also Thor hardly holds back.
Thats a retcon. Back when the story was written there was no intent that Hulk is holding back and at the end (WBH) he totally let loose. He was not holding back at this event
Yes but you're also ignoring the context for all those hulk has faced, Black bolt was actually a skrull in this storyline, Ghost rider(Zarathos) spared Hulk because he didn't care, Doctor strange was weakened by Hulk after his hands were broken and we later find out in chaos war Zom strange was holding back Zom and in chaos war they have a rematch where Zom dominates Green scar. Sentry was mentally unstable and therefore weaker and even then Hulk had to talk him down instead of beating him into submission.
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 Marvel and thier retcons always annoyed how people say DC is more confusing or whatever when Marvel does this tuff all the time, they rectonned beyonder like 5 times on a single year
No he’s not. He’s very clearly called World War Hulk, idk where you got your misinformation from but this is not World Breaker. That wouldn’t even make sense continuity wise
@IStevenSeagal And read my comment. The entire run is called world war hulk. Where do you think the name came from? What do you even call the form he used at the end of the run then?
@IStevenSeagal Keyboard warrior not able to comprehend that’s not an argument that counters my claims or refutes my points so he resorts to baseless insults and showing who the real little kid is lol. Comic book fans proving once again why they’re a toxic mess
That's right, Cain isn't actually a mutant. But this is the first time I've seen a comic where he actually speaks with the source of his power.
He's got a really cool concept to him ! I wish he'd win more fights.
World War Hulk comics were the peak of what Marvel was back in the day, the personification of awesomeness and badassary.
I'd argue it's still too close to the end as there's a lot of bad writing in WWH. But parts of it really were representative of how great Marvel used to be.
Especially the Xmen. Xmen comics today care more about these mutants personal life like sexuality and depression
@IStevenSeagal Civil War was such a mixed bag because the personality of so many people was written poorly. Reed turned on his family, a line he would never cross. It's just not him. So Civil War had some great stuff in it but so much of the story depended on characters not behaving as they should.
Sadly but true
I wish they would make a movie on this that would be awesome
I've argued and debated about this fight for years. I have all the scans and I've broken it down panel by panel to show that until he was removed he was straight up beating the Hulk. I've always thought they represented unstoppable force meets immovable object. This was one of Cains brightest moments and shows off his potential. He absolutely takes it to one of the strongest incarnations of Hulk. Back when that meant something. Power scaling is dead in modern Marvel.
Juggy got a punch, head stop, and head butt to Hulks uppercut. Pretty sure Hulk got up like nuthin' happened. They couldn't been there all day and Hulk would've probably came out on top. Wait, didn't Hulk beat Sentry? Wtf? And before you say it Hulk was gonna come back out before Sentry.
@TheAbbot92 this has nothing to do with Sentry. Juggernaut looked better than hulk until he was removed. Hulk never head stomps Juggernaut. He can't overpower him like usual. They both would have been there all day and likely destroyed the planet.
@@andrewboyer7544 Then Hulk made the smarter decision? I meant that Jug got more hits in. And even Hulk stated that didn't matter anymore. He really wasn't tryna win the fight. I dunno why everyone thinks magic/demons are omnipotent. It's not just unexplainable for people who don't wanna do alota work to win.
Juggernaut put up a solid fight, wish he returned so we could see the full thing.
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 I couldn't agree more. I wanted so much more than we got. This was a great comic.
Forcing the Hulk to shy away from direct confrontation isn't something many characters can do. Man had to be yeeted away, because even War Hulk here was getting demolished.
He was not lmao. Jaggernaut ain't shit against sentry whom hulk fought against later. He just didn't want to waste time.
@@rohitsinha8404 My dude, Juggernaut is probably the most physically strong character in all of Marvel aside from a couple specific Hulk incarnations, of which War Hulk is not one, when Cyttorak is actually pleased with him. Problem is, he's rarely actually allowed to utilize his full power. Cyttorak only grants it to him when he's behaving selfishly and/or destructively. Even the faintest trace of altruism will see the absolute crap nerfed out of him.
@@tek512
It’s the unstoppable force vs. the immovable object. In this case, Hulk is the immovable object and Juggernaut is the unstoppable force. To your point, Juggernaut is unstoppable once he starts moving and/or gains momentum. The one thing you're leaving out is that the Hulk (even World War Hulk) is the immovable object because he is literally immortal without magic or anything of the sort. Yes, Bruce Banner has been stripped of his gamma radiation before, but there are only a few beings who possess that ability, and they have no immediate relationship to Bruce Banner or even cross paths with him. It always goes wrong in the end, though, so Bruce Banner having the Hulk as a duality is always a constant.
Juggernaut, however, is directly linked to the gem of Cyttorak for his power, and the crimson deity is known to nerf Cain's power. That already makes him more vulnerable, as the Hulk will never lose his source of power; in fact, he will only get more powerful on an infinite measure. In this storyline, at this point in time, Hulk was merely warming up, similar to a Super Saiyan. Once Hulk is fully charged up as World War Hulk, like when he fights Sentry with ease, Juggernaut is not winning that fight, even as powerful as he is. He may not die, but he’s surely being “redirected,” lol.
Stop the cap, juggernaut wasn’t doing too much against WWH , normal hulk yeah but WWH is a whole other level
@@b.k1054whole other level only to charge back at juggernaut, get beat, and get pushed back in a power struggle reaffirming that the juggernaut is actually unstoppable when moving (you can see a trail of concrete where his feet is, it’s shown that he’s digging into the ground but he still got pushed back)
This was one of the last stories I read before i stopped reading comics....it trips me out to hear everyone refer to it as "back in the day."
It wasn't too long ago, but the issue is the comic climate is so different that these days feel different now ha...
This really goes to show you just how powerful Juggernaut is when he builds up momentum.
He was starting to push him back too !
The drawing for this fight is peak
This art is the standard that should be set for Marvel. Instead we have like Delmundo spitting water colors at the pages.
Everything is a political statement these days. What gender is this character, whats their sexuality. This, however, was peak comics
Pure badassery from everybody, character development, fights. It was all just so cool!
I don't know if Jugg or Hulk would have won, but I think even Hulk knew Juggernaut could keep him delayed for a long ass time and decided to remove him from the fight.
Hulk beat jugs in the crimson dimension. Everyone takes this out of context and thinks hulk couldn’t win. It’s the fact he didn’t want to have long fights since he only came back to fight and beat those who hurt him. Hulk has more wins over jugs anyway. 6 wins while jugs has 2-3.
Everything before has NOTHING to do with this fight because juggernaut looked better, the writer clearly wanted to show juggernaut had the edge against hulk when he landed more hits and started pushing hulk back
After reading this, Avengers VS X-Men could've ended earlier had the Avengers called the Hulk from the start. At the end of AvX, Hulk was holding his own against Emma Frost whereas the rest of the Avengers were trying to subdue Cyclops.
The Hulk hadn't been an active Avengers for years when A vs X was going on.
The Hulk hadn't been an active Avengers for years when A vs X was going on.
Yeah, Hulk would have been a huge help !
Hulk comes and goes as an Avenger because he has his own comics that actually sells. Thor too
Heh, Hulk yeeted Jug head right out of the fight. Hilarious, and pretty much the best way to deal with Juggernaut's momentum power. Fantastic series...although, wish the fight went on longer.
I do too bro. Another 3-4 pages wouldn't have hurt.
@@FernandoComicsOfficial
I understand why they did it...pacing...Hulk had other targets to go after. Still, seeing those titans go at it is a welcome spectacle.
@@SolarWraith indeed it was ! It's a classic now !
cain is actually strong without his juggernaut powers.
yeah, that's some fair strength even without the juggernaut armor.
That wonderful time before comics were infected and polluted by woke politics
Thank you for another awesome video. Juggernaut is my second favourite villain for sure. He's just so cool and crazy strong. When people talk about strength, they always forget good ol juggy. Hulk vs juggernaut will always be an an epic fight. Juggy got distracted this time.
My pleasure! Thank you for watching my friend :)
Do you think you can do more fights that characters realistically should have lost but wound up winning and it's not done in a lazy way? Like when Thing knocked out Hulk? Or Spider-man vs Morlun/Juggernaut? Or Black Panther vs the Super Skrull in See Wakanda And Die?
Thing Knocking out Hulk was because Hulk wasn’t in his own mind and also… Thing nearly destroyed his arm
@@tubtubsablubblubs3996 Exactly. Thing shouldn't have won, but almost nobody is complaining how he won
@@lucasbroome1048 i mean I’m really not, just because the circumstances. I KNOW Ben Grimm is still no one to fuck with and I love him as a character. This threw some respect to him
@@tubtubsablubblubs3996 That's what I mean. The circumstances are reasonable, a little bit of plot armor (but not to the point where realism is defenestrated), and willpower. Like Deku defeating Muscular, or Spider-man beating Juggernaut, or Spider-man surviving the Phoenix Five, or Thanos knocked Galactus down or every Morlun encounter.
Just picture Green Lantern fighting Zod on his own. No reason he should win this but in the end after breaking his arm and using every ounce of willpower he has, he's able to for a few seconds knock out Zod which throws him into a black hole or something
sure thing bro !
I love this fight, I'm a huge Hulk fan. Wish you would have shown him scrambling Wolverine's Brain, I LOL'd at that. Also any chance you cover some of the immortal Hulk stories? they are really good
What I love about this fight is how incredible the Hulk was to stop the Juggernaut while the two struggle with their arms. the Hulk releases Cain and shows us the tremendous power that Cain was making to move forward (where he ends up in the river).
Once again the Hulk did something impossible. Even when He wasn't interesting on the fight
This was a legit win for Juggs. He landed a couple of more hits and WW Hulk (one of his strongest versions) had to BFR him.
No one won. Hulk came to fight not to spend time on earth. He wanted to get those who hurt him and his family
Plus means absolutely nothing when it was said he was holding back multiple times. And even said by himself twice
It wasnt a win hulk just didnt have time to sit there and fight jug for who knows how long.
You lost your mind! Hulk sent him packing
@@donnierichardson2606but hulk was the one on the losing end through the short fight
So lame how Juggernaut was "beat" by Hulk
yeah "beat" is right...BFR at best !
Goosebumps 😬
Really? Mission achieved !
world war hulk is da best but what we get for a moive the MARVELS AND MADAM WEB GAHHHHH UNIVERSE NOT FAIRRR MAKE HULK MADDDDDDD
Not being a part of an attack that you could have helped prevent doesn’t absolve you of responsibility. This definitely should have ended with Xavier being ripped limb from limb. The living using the dead to subsidize their “suffering” is nothing short of disgusting. Like the Hulk, i’m sick and fucking tired of self proclaimed “good people” blaming morality for their cowardice and “diplomacy”. Either do the right thing or don’t. But don’t you dare claim moral superiority when the universe checks your balance.
I was poor. Could not buy comicbooks. Thank you internet
juggernaut has got to be in ONE xmen movie and he looked so bad, one of the coolest bad guys ever and he looks like an over grown huligan with a stone collar
I always hate how everyone says Hulk defeated the Juggernaut in this fight... He didn't win, he just pushed him aside to avoid a fight that could take days that Hulk didn't have time for.
He would’ve eventually, it’s not rocket science, he just wasn’t the target
@@basimali619how do you come up with that conclusion when hulk was getting beat and pushed back in a power struggle?
Okay is this the story where, the hulk was sent into space by the X-men? Then you got world breaking powers and came back for revenge?
The illuminati sent the Hulk into space, not the X-Men.
More of really powerful men each other please
Dunno why but it removed smashing and really hard from that comment
You got it !
Hulk beat him yall so ignorant
Awesome fight . I still love the old version , every time i hear ''Over and Under" by Egypt Central i remenber Hulk and Juggernaut fighting
That makes me so happy to hear bro. I have good memories of old videos like that too, I'm glad you do as well :)
I always hear Juggernaut's voice from the 90's cartoon when I read his dialogue.
Pause at 3:49 and you will get the ultimate poster to hang up 2 titans of the marvel universe throw the hands.
Very true ! I'd love to have that on my wall.
If only they buff Juggernaut in future comic that can rival Immortal Hulk 😢
Idk man, juggernaut did kill a galactus that was amped by the world state, a galactus that had the spirit of vengeance
Looking back at this, I thought it was stupid for the x-men to play line up one at a time to beat our ass. Collectively, the x-men could have even stopped this hulk
*DAMN.*
Name of artiste
I’ll give chad like 185 😅😅😅
Thank you brother !
The last good Juggernaut feat
You might be right honestly. I can't remember if he had a good feat after this under his own powers.
Then what happened?
World War Hulk issue #3 happens after this !
This is peak Marvel.
Love the world breaker
When is thor vs homelander going to release
@@thefishhobbyist5478 just wanna see that sooner
It takes me a bit to get them done for lack of funds sadly my friend. But i'll get it all finished ASAP :)
Well that's woefully one-sided. The way homelander is treated in the scaling community you would think daredevil could beat him. Then again watching homelander get his ass handed to him is always satisfying.
People need to realize Hulk was holding back against everyone in this storyline, even against Sentry and Zom Infused Strange, Ghostrider, everyone! Some dummies really think Hulk at near his top power combined with Banners intelligence wouldn’t beat a base Juggernaut? Even when a weak version of Professor Hulk knocked out Juggernaut before.
@@thefishhobbyist5478 lmao that’s bias, Hulk himself stated this when talking to Dr. Strange and Cho that he held back in the war in New York, also Cho stated the same thing saying Hulk was pulling his punches. those are FACTS. Also Thor hardly holds back.
Thats a retcon.
Back when the story was written there was no intent that Hulk is holding back and at the end (WBH) he totally let loose.
He was not holding back at this event
Yes but you're also ignoring the context for all those hulk has faced, Black bolt was actually a skrull in this storyline, Ghost rider(Zarathos) spared Hulk because he didn't care, Doctor strange was weakened by Hulk after his hands were broken and we later find out in chaos war Zom strange was holding back Zom and in chaos war they have a rematch where Zom dominates Green scar. Sentry was mentally unstable and therefore weaker and even then Hulk had to talk him down instead of beating him into submission.
Coz Hulk is a avatar of The One Below All?
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 Marvel and thier retcons always annoyed how people say DC is more confusing or whatever when Marvel does this tuff all the time, they rectonned beyonder like 5 times on a single year
World Breaker Hulk Destroyed the X-men
This was World war Hulk, Worldbreaker Hulk would have destroyed the whole planet.
No he’s not. He’s very clearly called World War Hulk, idk where you got your misinformation from but this is not World Breaker. That wouldn’t even make sense continuity wise
@IStevenSeagal And read my comment. The entire run is called world war hulk. Where do you think the name came from? What do you even call the form he used at the end of the run then?
@IStevenSeagal Keyboard warrior not able to comprehend that’s not an argument that counters my claims or refutes my points so he resorts to baseless insults and showing who the real little kid is lol.
Comic book fans proving once again why they’re a toxic mess
He flattened 3 teams in a row, it was quite the showing.
Crazy think that Zarthos/Ghost and Rider aand Juggernaut would have beaten WWH
Not even the Cytorak itself can stop hulk !
An avatar surely cant !