fun fact about SS1 contract, the M16 actually beats FN FNC and the other rifle when the Indonesia armed force conduct the trial to replace the BM59, but since the license production for M16 requires importing a lot of parts from the U.S, the armed force choose the FNC because FN are very generous with the license production, including the production machine and such. for a country that want as much as production done inside the border, the FN FNC is no brainer.
Pretty much the same reason why the AUG was chosen over the M16 in Australia. According to the documents I’ve read, the ADF wanted the M16, but with a few changes, short stroke piston and a few other changes, and to be able to be completely manufactured in Australia. Colt said no, so they denied the contract.
@@ABowlofPho they were chasing for massive single job profit while Europe weapon manufacturers were selling low so everyone can have a weapon lol and the FN were selling some dope ass weapon for its age imo so why not, now we have SS2, imagine if we have a SS2 that was inspired by the AR15 instead of the FNC
Honestly 55gr is plenty capable but because so many manufacturers produce loads that use it, you don’t see a lot of consistency leading people to believe it’s inherently inaccurate.
@@MellowFellowOfYellow in my personal experience, again just mine, if you're going to blast 55 gr, fmj-bt is a better choice for that bullet weight. Flat base 55 gr seems to lose accuracy at proper m193 velocities. Usually most of the fmj-bt is loaded from 3050-3150 and groups better in my personal experience.
Great video! Interesting that you mention that shortening the rifle is complicated and/or problematic. It is. I am Swedish police officer and our now defunct special auxiliary force (Särskilda Beredskapspolisen) which were an anti-commando unit (read Spetsnaz) used a shortened semi-auto only AK5 version painted black rather than green called AK5P (P for Polis). They were notoriously unreliable because of the shortened barrel. They never got the gas system to run smooth - So much that they were almost all cut up when the force was disbanded. There are very, very few left today of the ca 1500 AK5P made. I know of two.
Good episode. Great shooting with an older model rifle with M193 type ammo. I stayed away from the RARE types and upgraded to a M16A1 type rifle for duty use (our first patrol rifles were .30-30 Winchesters). This was when we were using irons. The two range flip sights did there job. I had (have) the three power Colt scope and that did cause great job at improving the capability of the sight system. The original lower was upgraded later to the Stag 3G with improved optic types. Thanks for the video.
A very interesting fact is that with the SS1 and SS2 rifles, Indonesia became the overall champion in consecutive AASAM (Australian Army Skills at Arms Meeting) shooting championships. In 2015, the TNI once again demonstrated its prowess in the eyes of the Army personnel participating in AASAM. At that time, the TNI AD managed to get 30 medals out of the 50 gold medals up for grabs. Because the difference in medal winnings was so striking, the Australian committee wanted to dismantle the weapons used by the Indonesian Army contingent when taking part in the AASAM competition. Not only Australia, the United States also protested and asked for the same thing. Apart from Indonesia, they also won the shooting championship in the ASEAN Armies Rifle Meet (AARM) competition.
@@Ladolcevitta1994 TNI is the Indonesian National Army, whose name is often abbreviated as TNI... because TNI is a unit of several forces such as the navy, army and air force... there are still many who don't know the abbreviation...
Man, this video has it all. A personal grail gun, a visit from cousin Harry, a special guest in Admin, tons of heat references and some sweet shooting.
@@billradley I get that. I'm not thinking it's some kind of do all, be all wunderwaffen. There's a reason the AR and AK won over the rifle world. But I still love the vibe of the FNC. Plus, it would allow me to retell the story of S&H making a bajillion auto sears for the giggles.
Henry’s accent is so unique. It’s like a perfect blend of Chinese, British and American. And he switches between all of them so well. That makes him a very versatile actor when they film the action sequences.
@@muhammadnursyahmi9440What this guy said👆 As a Hong Kong Born Brit, now proud American citizen. My American wife always complains she married the only Scotsman with no accent! 😂 love Henry's videos on The guns of RHKP. Sent to a few of my retired RHKP officers. One even features in one of his videos.
@@muhammadnursyahmi9440 Unless my Henry lore is incorrect, I think Henry was actually born in TX, but his parents moved to HK for work after he was born. He mentioned it in the 100K Q&A from like 5 years ago.
In 1988, mine was $600 or $700. Just graduated from college and bought it with my second paycheck. My dad was so mad because I was supposed to save up for a car. Car is gone but I still have the FNC!
Traded a norinco 56s AK for mine in '98 straight up because the gentleman had 2 and he wanted an AK. Still have in box never shot and probably never will. I think we did okay on return on investment.
Yeah, and they evolve to more than that nowadays. I don't know what changed inside, but Pindad keeps upgrading their SS2s to be more modifiable, like by attaching new handguards from quad rail and m-lok (I believe they had tried using keymod before). They almost look like modern AR and Alpha AK combinations. Thanks to their AK-like gas block.
From what i've seen, the bolt and bolt carrier assembly of the ss2 is reminiscent of Daewoo k2, with 7 lug rotating bolt like an AR instead of two lug rotating bolt
I had the pleasure of shooting the Pindad SS1 and also the updated version. Except the clunky bolt hold open, it was reliable and the FN designed folding stocks are solid. Thanks for showing the accuracy and reliability. Remember these served well in Aceh fighting separatists.
The difference between SS1 and OG FNC is the fire selector and the handguards. The fire selector is changed in order to make the switch from M16A1 into SS1 much easier. But, for the SS2 (the product improvement of SS1) fire selector actually reverted back to the original FNC fire selector. This is just a hypothesis. I think the reason why they reverted back to the original FNC fire selector is because SS1 is having issues with parts breakages, especially on its fire control group.
Like most of you, I first saw this rifle in Heat and was immediately enamored with it. Glad you guys got to put it through its paces. Henry's anecdote about rare and collectable rifles is true of most things that fit the description. Watches, cars, whisky, and firearms alike. As usual, well done, gents!
@@ajlukelepuke My favorite was Chris' HK91 he used in the drive-in scene, also I liked Cheritto's FAL in the armored truck scene. And of course all the Colts were just off the chain in the downtown shootout scene. Heat was the best movie for gun enthusiasts ever made!
@slingshot5697 oh yes, the Colts. I searched high and low for a Colt Officer like Pacino carried throughout the movie. Unfortunately, it was around 2008 so all the reasonably priced examples were pretty well worn-out.
@slingshot5697 oh I know it. I think back to many that were a bit out of my price range at the time and how it would have been worth it to just "bite the bullet". No pun intended.
interesting too see you guys view it as a movie gun, as a Belgian who has yet to see heat i assosiate it most with Belgian soldiers patroling our cities after the 2016 terror attacks. usually saw a mix of FNC and SCAR.
Saw lot of the Swedish variant 20 years ago in my tour in Kosovo. the SWEBAT was of course all armed with the AK5's, but the commander of the MNB(c), a Swedish Brigadier had his own close protection team who had versions with Aimpoints, lights etc couple years before the AK5C began to be offically delivered.
Yup, the accessories and a couple of test variants of the ak5 to see what changes should be implemented for the ak5C were issued in small numbers at that time, I even saw one during my conscript training in 2003/2004.
Was in the middle of yet another binge of your videos, so this was at a great time. Also the intros are always great. Especially in the car, award winning acting and camerawork!
@@johanj3674 Nja.. Attackdykarna kör ju H&K G36 eftersom 5d är ”för tung”. Nåja, blir väll bättre när SAKO börjar leverera om några år. Precis bytt ut min 4b till 4c och ser inte fram emot ssv24
I would rather say it is fairly heavily modified compared to the original FN FNC. The first version had e.g different handguards, sights, large trigger guard (so that you can fire with gloves on during winter conditions), removal of 3-round burst selector and magazines. Then the C version is quite far from the original FNC: Increased reliability (much less stoppage) Barrel shortened to 350 mm (13.8 in). FNC 450mm/17.7in Weight reduced to 3.8 kg (8.38 lb). Just barely lighter than the FNC MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail system at the top and bottom of the hand guard Adjustable buttstock Foldable emergency iron sights (for ranges up to 300 m) Automatic bolt catch Ambidextrous selector levers Translucent 30-round plastic box magazines New slimmer pistol grip at a different angle (similar to the one on Ksp 90) Modified hand guard with cut outs for pressure switches and cables on the right and left side Forward vertical grip at 6 o'clock position (detachable) New prong-type flash suppressor Tactical sling (nylon) Fire selector on both sides of the rifle. With that said...even though i am very familiar (as a swedish soldier) with the weapon i completely agree with Henrys assessment in the video. No matter how you see it, and no matter how much you modify it, it is still a fairly old weapon. It competed against the M16A1, Steyer AUG, AR 18, SIG 540 and that kind of weapons. I have fired many of the same era weapons and overall i would say that FN FNC is probably in the middle of the pack. Swedes is currently exchanging several various weapon systems. E.g the AK-5 (and other weapons) will be exchanged with weapons from Sako (5.56, 7.62 and .338 Lapua Magnum). news.cision.com/sako-oy/r/finnish-and-swedish-defence-forces-to-acquire-a-joint-range-of-firearms-from-sako-ltd,c3741387
I like how Admin is becoming this Where's Admin like character that you never know where he's going to be next. I fully expect to be watching a Travel/Food video and just see a wild Admin show up in the back ground for no reason.
I feel like James says a lot of stupid things because he 1: is very biased and not open minded, and 2: he doesn't stop to think through his opinions before he blurts it out on video.
Well done for the mix with the film HEAT Al Pacino as your friend & Garand thumb brother (ex cop) as the rober in the film, awesome 😅 Good job as usual
The reason we often brag about SS01 was because national pride, it's definitely a step up to modernize our infantry weapon and weapon manufacturing industry. The second version SS2 V1 & V4 was a long boy while the V5 made into a modern Carbine.
I've always loved the FNC. It's a fun rifle to shoot and is reliable AF. Dinging the FNC for a lack of modularity and modernization is really just obtuse. As Harry noted, the FNC was intended to compete against the M16A1 of four decades ago, not the GWOT generation of combat rifle systems. The FNC is a Time Capsule from an era with different standards and expectations. Few FNC were imported and it's unlikely AK5 and SS1 will ever be exported to the US civilian market, even as kits. None of the countries which adopted the FNC have a large base of civilian private firearms enthusiasts, or thousands of independent LE agencies with full procurement authority to push innovations like the United States does. The M16/M4 family have always benefited from innovations driven by the very large civilian and LE user base. Had the FNC been adopted by a US military branch, it is almost a certainty that it would have seen advanced development over the past four decades. Instead, it should be appreciated within the context of its own era and contemporaries. Thanks to 9-Hole reviews for profiling the FN FNC. Thanks to Harry for showing what the FNC is capable of even in base form. Love the channel! +1
I bought a FNC in 1987 for $450 bucks when they usually sold for around 650 or more. A pawn ship didn’t know what they had. When the first stirrings of an assault weapons ban started up around 89-90 I sold it for around 950. It was a fine rifle and I regret letting it go. Very sturdy. Heavier than an AR. At the time.
Right off the bat. Henry, great shooting! One thing to note is the FNC in my history research, was the first NATO rifle to be M16 magazine compatible. Also, this was the first rifle to use the SS109 cartridge. As it being a hy-bread rifle, I agree. (AK/AR) The one draw back with this rifle, no hold open on the last shot. Ala AK! Funny thing is these rifles are showing up in Ukraine. Still, I wouldn't feel under equipped if I had to carry it, in time of war.
Got to shoot a folding stock FNC back in the 1980's. My dad got loaned one by the Philippines rep for FN so he could evaluate it, and maybe put in a good word to the procurement folks. It was a solid, reliable gun that was fun to shoot except perhaps the handguards got uncomfortably hot since that version had no aluminum heat shield.
Pindad also made a similar rifle with FN FNC but with a different calibre, they named it Sabhara Rifle, and the calibre is 7.62 x 45 mm. These rifles were used by police units.
@@realtalk6195 I think it is different from the Czech's 7.62x45 mm, the Pindad 7.62x45 is more like a pistol round with the cartridge's length similar to a rifle cartridge.
This brings me back 30 years with my 15 months in the Swedish national service (KB @ Ing2 in Eksjö). Haven’t shoot a huge variety of assault rifles, but I kind of liked my AK5. But wish I have had the Aimpoint scopes I have now on it. Or even the driven hunt type would be great.
I love it that you're wearing the old Belgian camo vest... It is so iconic... the ABL (Armée Belge / Belgisch Leger aka Belgian Army in French and Dutch) recently switched to Multicam. The FNC is still in use by the Belgian army but it is slowly being replaced by the FN SCAR L.
Great work as always. By the way, given that most people talk about the problems of the hk33, if possible try to do a vid about it in the future. I am really interested in your view about it. Stay safe
I recalled during some expo the Indonesian military have SS1 and OG FN FNC on display (both are with removed firing pin). IIRC original FN FNC felt having so much better & finer production quality and operate much smoother when racking the charging handle compared to Pindad SS1 version. I did recalled SS1 have vertical pattern grip similar to M16 while FNC is horizontal pattern with nicer feels on the plastic.
Love the videos. I think it would be interesting if you guys got together with Rob Ski, Veronica, and Ula over at Vintage Rifle Shooters Club and did some shooting and talking. How about something a little modern that you all could take out past 1000 + yds. Josh and Ula could run the cameras and spot, while Henry, Rob, and Veronica shot. Then it would be great to switch it up and see Josh and Ula shoot out to some distance. Maybe with a RMAD or an AI and some good modern FFP glass.
Always wanted and lusted for an FNC. I fondled them at my favorite gun shop, but lacked the $ to make it happen. On my first viewing of HEAT, I too wondered where an FNC would be the choice of the top cop. Even at the time the movie was filmed, that rifle belonged - well protected in a vault. Awesome to see it then though, abd especially in your video with the commentary. Much thanks for the eye candy to see one again. Using the best "Arno accent" that I can muster - " You Guys are my Heros"!
Check Garand Thumbs cold weather testing to better understand why Sweden chose this rifle. You can make all kinds of claims that it's not as good as the M16 etc. but it's good enough to do the job.
The Indonesian military adopt the FN FNC before even producing SS1. For those Indonesian that say pindad doesn't make a fixed stock, well Pindad did build the Fixed stock SS1V3.
I only have limited trigger time on the FNC, but it was a delight to shoot. Even in full auto, it was extremely easy to control and make hits. I actually tjought the semi accuracy was close to an M16A1 (at least out to 100 meters, which was as far as I could take it), and it was slightly more controllable on full auto, IMO. Injustvreally regret the fact that people fogured out the FNC RDIAS fits the SCAR, because the price on the RDIAS shot through the roof right as I was getting ready to bite on an FNC and an RDIAS. 😂
The one thing that the western pseudo AK systems have that the Soviet style systems do not is a long sight radius. This one factor increases potential for accuracy by leaps and bounds.
FN tried unsuccessfully to convince several law enforcement agencies in Southern California to adopt this rifle. That’s why several departments armories had a few of these in inventory. Most stuck with the DoD M16 hand me downs due to budget constraints at the time.
Love the Ending Thank you John the heat boss gun rifle man I have to go watch a most stellar performance from Al Pacino now heat was such a great film one of the best scenes ever filmed for sure!
Bought 2 FNCs in 80s in Jr. high and Sr. High for price of medium pizzas and TikTok dance. Thanks to Tech Director on Heat Mike Grasso I sold one and traded folding stock one to SOT from St. Louis for 3 Colt AR-15s, a Smith 317 and bunch of AK tracer ammo. Thanks, Mike!
The FN FNC has a front flip sight that allows you to shut off the gas. That’s used for rifle grenades. The tab at the base of the barrel is for regulating the gas. There are two positions for this. StormWerkz has a FN FNC Scope Mount #SM-FNC-01 The FN FNC accepts this mount.The mount body is 6061 T6511 Aluminum bar-stock and comes with machine screws and hex key. Both weaver and picatinny rings and adapters fit this mount. It’s 8 inches long and .6 inches tall
Strangely enough, 5 months after this video was published PR Pindad announced they’re bringing their version of the FNC to the US market at Shot Show 2024. What a time to be alive!
As mentioned, a locally improved version became the AK5 for Swedish armed forces some 25 years ago. We are now at AK5C and AK5D, but to are planning to replace everything in a few years with the new rifle from Sako.
Indonesia did upgrade the fnc/ss 1 to ss2 from v1-v7 don't know much more than that though, also pindad recently producing ar type rifle so it would be very interesting if it being adopted by the Indonesian. Most Indonesian doesn't have access to these kind of tool except military, law enforcement, custom etc. Very rarely common people own a legal firearm. Obtaining firearm licence require a ton of money and work only a few willing to pay that kind of money along with all the test required.
Tonga is a small, mostly Mormon, island in the pacific. Some speak English, some only speak the indigenous language. I have encountered 1 Tongan in my life.
Was just getting into the gun scene in the early 80's... Had a Colt AR A2, buddys had a folder HK91, FNC, we all had SKS's, Norinco AK's, Sig 226's etc... those were the days... 1440 round cases of 7.62x39 steel core for a $100... Those folders were brutal...
My love of the FNC starter with Rainbow Six Vegas 2. Was my favorite gun in that game. Being older and beyond the point if no return of gun nut levels, my love has only grown. However, now it's an AK-5C obsession. FNC but modern and green? Yes please.
Omg the intro was literally perfect.. I love how you tied together the arms dealer with admin results hahahahaha And I love that you have a Belgian Jigsaw shirt.. Im working on getting some kit in that scheme ... One of the coolest camos ever On a serious note the FNC was a very good rifle for its time (came out in 1979) the only onther rfiles that I could think of during the cold war years that were head and shoulders better were the Steyr AUG and the Sig 550 series ... The FAL and its little brother FNC would prob be next in line after those 2 in my opinion ... The thing that really holds the FNC back in modern times is the chungus girth and uneeded weight ...
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fun fact about SS1 contract, the M16 actually beats FN FNC and the other rifle when the Indonesia armed force conduct the trial to replace the BM59, but since the license production for M16 requires importing a lot of parts from the U.S, the armed force choose the FNC because FN are very generous with the license production, including the production machine and such. for a country that want as much as production done inside the border, the FN FNC is no brainer.
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Never knew that fact love learning random tidbits of information do you have videos of your own Im about to check
Pretty much the same reason why the AUG was chosen over the M16 in Australia. According to the documents I’ve read, the ADF wanted the M16, but with a few changes, short stroke piston and a few other changes, and to be able to be completely manufactured in Australia. Colt said no, so they denied the contract.
@@MASSspec1990 I'm really just imagining how widespread the M16/AR-15 platform could have been if it weren't for Colt being the way they were.
@@ABowlofPho they were chasing for massive single job profit while Europe weapon manufacturers were selling low so everyone can have a weapon lol and the FN were selling some dope ass weapon for its age imo so why not, now we have SS2, imagine if we have a SS2 that was inspired by the AR15 instead of the FNC
Absolutely insane performance for 55gr and Irons, awesome shooting Henry
Honestly 55gr is plenty capable but because so many manufacturers produce loads that use it, you don’t see a lot of consistency leading people to believe it’s inherently inaccurate.
Henry is actually an advanced cyborg prototype.
@@MellowFellowOfYellow in my personal experience, again just mine, if you're going to blast 55 gr, fmj-bt is a better choice for that bullet weight. Flat base 55 gr seems to lose accuracy at proper m193 velocities. Usually most of the fmj-bt is loaded from 3050-3150 and groups better in my personal experience.
Agreed!
Velocity is your friend for accuracy and long range performance.
Great video! Interesting that you mention that shortening the rifle is complicated and/or problematic. It is. I am Swedish police officer and our now defunct special auxiliary force (Särskilda Beredskapspolisen) which were an anti-commando unit (read Spetsnaz) used a shortened semi-auto only AK5 version painted black rather than green called AK5P (P for Polis). They were notoriously unreliable because of the shortened barrel. They never got the gas system to run smooth - So much that they were almost all cut up when the force was disbanded. There are very, very few left today of the ca 1500 AK5P made. I know of two.
Good episode. Great shooting with an older model rifle with M193 type ammo. I stayed away from the RARE types and upgraded to a M16A1 type rifle for duty use (our first patrol rifles were .30-30 Winchesters). This was when we were using irons. The two range flip sights did there job. I had (have) the three power Colt scope and that did cause great job at improving the capability of the sight system. The original lower was upgraded later to the Stag 3G with improved optic types. Thanks for the video.
And still the AK5C and D is reliable :)
@@Jorgen888 I have no personal experience with any of those. Only A and P models.
A very interesting fact is that with the SS1 and SS2 rifles, Indonesia became the overall champion in consecutive AASAM (Australian Army Skills at Arms Meeting) shooting championships.
In 2015, the TNI once again demonstrated its prowess in the eyes of the Army personnel participating in AASAM. At that time, the TNI AD managed to get 30 medals out of the 50 gold medals up for grabs. Because the difference in medal winnings was so striking, the Australian committee wanted to dismantle the weapons used by the Indonesian Army contingent when taking part in the AASAM competition. Not only Australia, the United States also protested and asked for the same thing.
Apart from Indonesia, they also won the shooting championship in the ASEAN Armies Rifle Meet (AARM) competition.
What the hell is TNI ???
Is that a RC car ?? or something with device ????
@@Ladolcevitta1994 TNI is the Indonesian National Army, whose name is often abbreviated as TNI... because TNI is a unit of several forces such as the navy, army and air force... there are still many who don't know the abbreviation...
@@dandysumatha just say National Army, nobody knows about it man
@@Ladolcevitta1994 yeah, thanks for the advice bro.. that was my fault
@@dandysumatha no worries bro
Man, this video has it all. A personal grail gun, a visit from cousin Harry, a special guest in Admin, tons of heat references and some sweet shooting.
I had one… they feel kind of cheap compared to an AR
@@billradley I get that. I'm not thinking it's some kind of do all, be all wunderwaffen. There's a reason the AR and AK won over the rifle world. But I still love the vibe of the FNC. Plus, it would allow me to retell the story of S&H making a bajillion auto sears for the giggles.
The real question is… how many WNBA fugitives is Cousin Harry worth?
@@billradleyBecause they ARE cheaper than an AR?
Plus more reliable, require less cleaning, and perform better in some climates and conditions.
The best shootout scene ever made
Henry’s accent is so unique. It’s like a perfect blend of Chinese, British and American. And he switches between all of them so well. That makes him a very versatile actor when they film the action sequences.
He's born and grew up in Hong Kong. He later moved to the States and became a naturalized US citizen
@@muhammadnursyahmi9440What this guy said👆
As a Hong Kong Born Brit, now proud American citizen. My American wife always complains she married the only Scotsman with no accent! 😂 love Henry's videos on The guns of RHKP. Sent to a few of my retired RHKP officers. One even features in one of his videos.
You forget French sentences without almost no accent 😁
@@muhammadnursyahmi9440 Unless my Henry lore is incorrect, I think Henry was actually born in TX, but his parents moved to HK for work after he was born. He mentioned it in the 100K Q&A from like 5 years ago.
Dude's a helluva good shot!
I bought a Howco marked FNC in 1986 for $400. Love it. It has the para folding stock and the shorter barrel/flash hider that most Howcos came with.
In 1988, mine was $600 or $700. Just graduated from college and bought it with my second paycheck. My dad was so mad because I was supposed to save up for a car. Car is gone but I still have the FNC!
Traded a norinco 56s AK for mine in '98 straight up because the gentleman had 2 and he wanted an AK. Still have in box never shot and probably never will. I think we did okay on return on investment.
fun fact Indonesia new rifle SS2 is based from FN FNC (SS1) firing mechanism and M16 Iron Sight (For Standar variant)
Yeah, and they evolve to more than that nowadays. I don't know what changed inside, but Pindad keeps upgrading their SS2s to be more modifiable, like by attaching new handguards from quad rail and m-lok (I believe they had tried using keymod before). They almost look like modern AR and Alpha AK combinations. Thanks to their AK-like gas block.
From what i've seen, the bolt and bolt carrier assembly of the ss2 is reminiscent of Daewoo k2, with 7 lug rotating bolt like an AR instead of two lug rotating bolt
Yup it's more K2 DAEWOO / FN FNC combination actually, with AK style gas block and M16 like carry handle
Yes yes study write English in you tube
SS2 is like a bastard son of FNC, AK, and M16 so ugly
I had the pleasure of shooting the Pindad SS1 and also the updated version. Except the clunky bolt hold open, it was reliable and the FN designed folding stocks are solid. Thanks for showing the accuracy and reliability. Remember these served well in Aceh fighting separatists.
The difference between SS1 and OG FNC is the fire selector and the handguards. The fire selector is changed in order to make the switch from M16A1 into SS1 much easier. But, for the SS2 (the product improvement of SS1) fire selector actually reverted back to the original FNC fire selector.
This is just a hypothesis. I think the reason why they reverted back to the original FNC fire selector is because SS1 is having issues with parts breakages, especially on its fire control group.
Like most of you, I first saw this rifle in Heat and was immediately enamored with it. Glad you guys got to put it through its paces. Henry's anecdote about rare and collectable rifles is true of most things that fit the description. Watches, cars, whisky, and firearms alike. As usual, well done, gents!
Same here. Out of the myriad of awesome firearms in Heat, the FNC was the one that stuck with me. Just a flat-out cool rifle.
@@ajlukelepuke My favorite was Chris' HK91 he used in the drive-in scene, also I liked Cheritto's FAL in the armored truck scene. And of course all the Colts were just off the chain in the downtown shootout scene. Heat was the best movie for gun enthusiasts ever made!
@slingshot5697 oh yes, the Colts. I searched high and low for a Colt Officer like Pacino carried throughout the movie. Unfortunately, it was around 2008 so all the reasonably priced examples were pretty well worn-out.
@@ajlukelepuke And just imagine how rare they are now!
@slingshot5697 oh I know it. I think back to many that were a bit out of my price range at the time and how it would have been worth it to just "bite the bullet". No pun intended.
interesting too see you guys view it as a movie gun, as a Belgian who has yet to see heat i assosiate it most with Belgian soldiers patroling our cities after the 2016 terror attacks.
usually saw a mix of FNC and SCAR.
Saw lot of the Swedish variant 20 years ago in my tour in Kosovo. the SWEBAT was of course all armed with the AK5's, but the commander of the MNB(c), a Swedish Brigadier had his own close protection team who had versions with Aimpoints, lights etc couple years before the AK5C began to be offically delivered.
Yup, the accessories and a couple of test variants of the ak5 to see what changes should be implemented for the ak5C were issued in small numbers at that time, I even saw one during my conscript training in 2003/2004.
Man, this video really shows how little energy 55grs have at longer distances lol. Phenomenal shooting Henry!
Yes thanks to all the people who lend their precious guns so a wider audience can get to know more.👍
Was in the middle of yet another binge of your videos, so this was at a great time.
Also the intros are always great. Especially in the car, award winning acting and camerawork!
GREAT review of this iconic rifle and GREAT shooting, Henry!
In Indonesia this rifle is also produced with 300 blackout ammunition and is used by the police corps. This version is called Pindad SB1
KKB use that too😂
LMT L129A1 reference rifle with the 6x ACOG would be an interesting one to bring on the show!
The L129A1 in 308 & MRGG in 14.5" 6.5cm would be awesome to see!
I have an original Armson OEG on an original FNC mount on my rifle. its goofy AF but draws a lot of attention at ranges and competitions. Love my FNC.
My buddy has a Sig 553 and it is definitely pretty sweet. Fnc is definitely a vibe gun too. Great video as always
Indonesia made the Pindad SS2, which has a shielded mag release, flared magwell, bolt hold open, and a top picatinny rail.
The Swedes are still using it, slightly modified.. shortened, last round bolt hold open and adjustable folding stock and pic rails
Yeah that was a strange comment, it's our main rifle, our only rifle (the Homeguard G3s doesn't count, no matter how much I love mine).
@@johanj3674 Nja.. Attackdykarna kör ju H&K G36 eftersom 5d är ”för tung”. Nåja, blir väll bättre när SAKO börjar leverera om några år. Precis bytt ut min 4b till 4c och ser inte fram emot ssv24
I would rather say it is fairly heavily modified compared to the original FN FNC. The first version had e.g different handguards, sights, large trigger guard (so that you can fire with gloves on during winter conditions), removal of 3-round burst selector and magazines.
Then the C version is quite far from the original FNC:
Increased reliability (much less stoppage)
Barrel shortened to 350 mm (13.8 in). FNC 450mm/17.7in
Weight reduced to 3.8 kg (8.38 lb). Just barely lighter than the FNC
MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail system at the top and bottom of the hand guard
Adjustable buttstock
Foldable emergency iron sights (for ranges up to 300 m)
Automatic bolt catch
Ambidextrous selector levers
Translucent 30-round plastic box magazines
New slimmer pistol grip at a different angle (similar to the one on Ksp 90)
Modified hand guard with cut outs for pressure switches and cables on the right and left side
Forward vertical grip at 6 o'clock position (detachable)
New prong-type flash suppressor
Tactical sling (nylon)
Fire selector on both sides of the rifle.
With that said...even though i am very familiar (as a swedish soldier) with the weapon i completely agree with Henrys assessment in the video. No matter how you see it, and no matter how much you modify it, it is still a fairly old weapon.
It competed against the M16A1, Steyer AUG, AR 18, SIG 540 and that kind of weapons. I have fired many of the same era weapons and overall i would say that FN FNC is probably in the middle of the pack.
Swedes is currently exchanging several various weapon systems. E.g the AK-5 (and other weapons) will be exchanged with weapons from Sako (5.56, 7.62 and .338 Lapua Magnum).
news.cision.com/sako-oy/r/finnish-and-swedish-defence-forces-to-acquire-a-joint-range-of-firearms-from-sako-ltd,c3741387
Oh hey, an Admin cameo. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
I like how Admin is becoming this Where's Admin like character that you never know where he's going to be next.
I fully expect to be watching a Travel/Food video and just see a wild Admin show up in the back ground for no reason.
I'm waiting to see him in the stands at the Freedom Factory.
I can never forgive what James Reeves said on that day about the rifle...
Thank you for showing him how it's done!
I feel like James says a lot of stupid things because he 1: is very biased and not open minded, and 2: he doesn't stop to think through his opinions before he blurts it out on video.
@@jontee3437pretty much sums up 90% of the population unfortunately.
He says clickbaity shit to rustle jimmies. Welcome to algo farming
It's kinda funny he said that because they did a video on the FNC on TFB TV like 7 years ago and the dude who used it absolutely loved it.
@@Juel92 Different people at TFB. Alex C is quite different from James in terms of tone.
Well done for the mix with the film HEAT Al Pacino as your friend & Garand thumb brother (ex cop) as the rober in the film, awesome 😅
Good job as usual
Really great episode. Thanks indeed John, Henry and Josh for bringing us this legendary rifle.
Thanks to TFB TV
The reason we often brag about SS01 was because national pride, it's definitely a step up to modernize our infantry weapon and weapon manufacturing industry. The second version SS2 V1 & V4 was a long boy while the V5 made into a modern Carbine.
I've always loved the FNC. It's a fun rifle to shoot and is reliable AF. Dinging the FNC for a lack of modularity and modernization is really just obtuse. As Harry noted, the FNC was intended to compete against the M16A1 of four decades ago, not the GWOT generation of combat rifle systems. The FNC is a Time Capsule from an era with different standards and expectations.
Few FNC were imported and it's unlikely AK5 and SS1 will ever be exported to the US civilian market, even as kits. None of the countries which adopted the FNC have a large base of civilian private firearms enthusiasts, or thousands of independent LE agencies with full procurement authority to push innovations like the United States does. The M16/M4 family have always benefited from innovations driven by the very large civilian and LE user base. Had the FNC been adopted by a US military branch, it is almost a certainty that it would have seen advanced development over the past four decades. Instead, it should be appreciated within the context of its own era and contemporaries.
Thanks to 9-Hole reviews for profiling the FN FNC. Thanks to Harry for showing what the FNC is capable of even in base form. Love the channel! +1
I bought a FNC in 1987 for $450 bucks when they usually sold for around 650 or more. A pawn ship didn’t know what they had. When the first stirrings of an assault weapons ban started up around 89-90 I sold it for around 950. It was a fine rifle and I regret letting it go. Very sturdy. Heavier than an AR. At the time.
Cousin Harry needs to go to one of the Brutality matches. The content would be solid gold.
vs. Phuc Long
Right off the bat. Henry, great shooting! One thing to note is the FNC in my history research, was the first NATO rifle to be M16 magazine compatible. Also, this was the first rifle to use the SS109 cartridge. As it being a hy-bread rifle, I agree. (AK/AR) The one draw back with this rifle, no hold open on the last shot. Ala AK! Funny thing is these rifles are showing up in Ukraine. Still, I wouldn't feel under equipped if I had to carry it, in time of war.
This rifle, SS109 and the Minimi LMG were made for each other.
Got to shoot a folding stock FNC back in the 1980's. My dad got loaned one by the Philippines rep for FN so he could evaluate it, and maybe put in a good word to the procurement folks. It was a solid, reliable gun that was fun to shoot except perhaps the handguards got uncomfortably hot since that version had no aluminum heat shield.
The FNC always looked like the bastard love child of a FAL and a CETME L. And I definitely want one.
This is awesome....we NEED more content like this to take us away if only for a few brief moments
Pindad also made a similar rifle with FN FNC but with a different calibre, they named it Sabhara Rifle, and the calibre is 7.62 x 45 mm. These rifles were used by police units.
the same caliber that FN FAL uses
@@tranportasimassal40no, it's use. 30 ball same like m1 carbine,, its use for non lethal but its deadly too
Are you talking about the Czechslovakia-designed round?? Am I hearing that right?
@@realtalk6195 I think it is different from the Czech's 7.62x45 mm, the Pindad 7.62x45 is more like a pistol round with the cartridge's length similar to a rifle cartridge.
This brings me back 30 years with my 15 months in the Swedish national service (KB @ Ing2 in Eksjö). Haven’t shoot a huge variety of assault rifles, but I kind of liked my AK5.
But wish I have had the Aimpoint scopes I have now on it. Or even the driven hunt type would be great.
I love it that you're wearing the old Belgian camo vest... It is so iconic... the ABL (Armée Belge / Belgisch Leger aka Belgian Army in French and Dutch) recently switched to Multicam. The FNC is still in use by the Belgian army but it is slowly being replaced by the FN SCAR L.
It's no longer in use in the belgian army now, the replacement is pretty much completed
😂 Haven't thought about that weapon in a long time! I had a chance to buy a full auto version back in the early 80s but like an idiot I didn't 🙄
Best freakin intro EVER! I about spit out my coffee when Admin showed up😂 this rifle performed amazingly!
Great work as always. By the way, given that most people talk about the problems of the hk33, if possible try to do a vid about it in the future. I am really interested in your view about it. Stay safe
I recalled during some expo the Indonesian military have SS1 and OG FN FNC on display (both are with removed firing pin).
IIRC original FN FNC felt having so much better & finer production quality and operate much smoother when racking the charging handle compared to Pindad SS1 version.
I did recalled SS1 have vertical pattern grip similar to M16 while FNC is horizontal pattern with nicer feels on the plastic.
Love the videos. I think it would be interesting if you guys got together with Rob Ski, Veronica, and Ula over at Vintage Rifle Shooters Club and did some shooting and talking. How about something a little modern that you all could take out past 1000 + yds. Josh and Ula could run the cameras and spot, while Henry, Rob, and Veronica shot. Then it would be great to switch it up and see Josh and Ula shoot out to some distance. Maybe with a RMAD or an AI and some good modern FFP glass.
Stepping up your game fellas! Loved the intro and the cameos! Let's do that with all videos!
Always wanted and lusted for an FNC. I fondled them at my favorite gun shop, but lacked the $ to make it happen.
On my first viewing of HEAT, I too wondered where an FNC would be the choice of the top cop. Even at the time the movie was filmed, that rifle belonged - well protected in a vault.
Awesome to see it then though, abd especially in your video with the commentary.
Much thanks for the eye candy to see one again.
Using the best "Arno accent" that I can muster - " You Guys are my Heros"!
Check Garand Thumbs cold weather testing to better understand why Sweden chose this rifle. You can make all kinds of claims that it's not as good as the M16 etc. but it's good enough to do the job.
After watching you guys , there are SO many guns I’ve never seen much less heard of! And I’m in the industry
Love that you are reviewing 80's rifles. Keep it up!
I did not expect an Admin cameo!!! haha!!!! Love this little youtube guntuber community dropping on each others’ videos.
The Indonesian military adopt the FN FNC before even producing SS1. For those Indonesian that say pindad doesn't make a fixed stock, well Pindad did build the Fixed stock SS1V3.
Stock tidak dijual untuk sipil, tapi anda bisa merakit nya
I only have limited trigger time on the FNC, but it was a delight to shoot. Even in full auto, it was extremely easy to control and make hits. I actually tjought the semi accuracy was close to an M16A1 (at least out to 100 meters, which was as far as I could take it), and it was slightly more controllable on full auto, IMO.
Injustvreally regret the fact that people fogured out the FNC RDIAS fits the SCAR, because the price on the RDIAS shot through the roof right as I was getting ready to bite on an FNC and an RDIAS. 😂
What I learned from watching this series is that, damn near every rifle is accurate if the shooter behind it knows what he's doing.
5.56 out of a longer barrel really goes fast.
Yeah. Damn
Galil and K2 also accurate 5.56 long stroke, AK inspired rifles.
Absolute fantastic video - and the start was awesome!
Impressive shooting henry, as always.
But now lets talk about that intro tho! 🔥
Thank you for the review gentlemen. Much appreciated.
The one thing that the western pseudo AK systems have that the Soviet style systems do not is a long sight radius. This one factor increases potential for accuracy by leaps and bounds.
No way, they made the rifle from HEAT real.
(^^^) And Henry shot it better than Garand Thumb!
FN tried unsuccessfully to convince several law enforcement agencies in Southern California to adopt this rifle. That’s why several departments armories had a few of these in inventory. Most stuck with the DoD M16 hand me downs due to budget constraints at the time.
Love the Ending Thank you John the heat boss gun rifle man I have to go watch a most stellar performance from Al Pacino now heat was such a great film one of the best scenes ever filmed for sure!
That performed surprisingly well.
Pindad incoming!
Not a single Vincent Hanna impression? "Whattawegot?!"
GREAT, BIG ASS!
Great movie, AL Pacino's overacting was hilarious.
Intro was insane. Cold War eurosteel is such a vibe
Admin ! nice to see you here
Bought 2 FNCs in 80s in Jr. high and Sr. High for price of medium pizzas and TikTok dance.
Thanks to Tech Director on Heat Mike Grasso I sold one and traded folding stock one to SOT from St. Louis for 3 Colt AR-15s, a Smith 317 and bunch of AK tracer ammo.
Thanks, Mike!
I love these videos with an actual rifle! Today a lot of guys on AR15 do t co m think a rifle has an 8” barrel
You guys are awesome! Please keep it up
The FN FNC has a front flip sight that allows you to shut off the gas. That’s used for rifle grenades. The tab at the base of the barrel is for regulating the gas. There are two positions for this.
StormWerkz has a FN FNC Scope Mount #SM-FNC-01
The FN FNC accepts this mount.The mount body is 6061 T6511 Aluminum bar-stock and comes with machine screws and hex key. Both weaver and picatinny rings and adapters fit this mount. It’s 8 inches long and .6 inches tall
I love the fact that the Admin cameo slipped right past your entire audience
No one cared who I was until I put on the mask 😤
No bad boy or vibe counters though
Strangely enough, 5 months after this video was published PR Pindad announced they’re bringing their version of the FNC to the US market at Shot Show 2024. What a time to be alive!
lmao. atf hasn't approved yet. we may never see it
Love how you slid the talking balaclava in there and the unmasking in the same video!
Nice to see another long acted opening, and cousin Harry again. Wow its chilly in Texas this summer. Well done on this one Henry!
This was quite the smorgasbord of TH-cam gun tuber cameos. Always a fun show!
That was a HEATed episode ;)
Great shooting and great debrief, Boss Henry and Josh.
And thanks to Jon V. for loaning a collectable piece for shooting.
As mentioned, a locally improved version became the AK5 for Swedish armed forces some 25 years ago. We are now at AK5C and AK5D, but to are planning to replace everything in a few years with the new rifle from Sako.
Indonesia did upgrade the fnc/ss 1 to ss2 from v1-v7 don't know much more than that though, also pindad recently producing ar type rifle so it would be very interesting if it being adopted by the Indonesian. Most Indonesian doesn't have access to these kind of tool except military, law enforcement, custom etc. Very rarely common people own a legal firearm. Obtaining firearm licence require a ton of money and work only a few willing to pay that kind of money along with all the test required.
Tonga is a small, mostly Mormon, island in the pacific. Some speak English, some only speak the indigenous language. I have encountered 1 Tongan in my life.
As have I, she was studying at the University of Alaska, Anchorage of all places.
Honestly, a lot of Pacific Islanders come through here.
lol, I efFN love these cold opens! More entertaining than most things coming out of hollywood today.
The most simplified assault rifle style design, pretty good like an AK47 and m16 combined together
The Guntuber Heat-iverse is nearing singularity
great editing and acting, you do the pastiche really well, a lot of fun
I love the fact, that you guys started working together! United we stand…
Spotter was kinda blowing it this time! Unusual considering how dialed these guys always are
Tbh you could barely see the target moving
The Admin cameo was a welcome surprise!
The spotter is spotty today
This video has elevated your channel Far above the competition of guntubers😎
Both those first 2 shots at 400yds were hits, the 2nd virtually dead centre. Spotting definitely a bit array today.
I love mine I've had it 30 plus years and I shoot it regularly
Pretty darn accurate Rifle, nice!!!
Only the best. Thank you dawgz.
Was just getting into the gun scene in the early 80's... Had a Colt AR A2, buddys had a folder HK91, FNC, we all had SKS's, Norinco AK's, Sig 226's etc... those were the days... 1440 round cases of 7.62x39 steel core for a $100... Those folders were brutal...
My love of the FNC starter with Rainbow Six Vegas 2. Was my favorite gun in that game. Being older and beyond the point if no return of gun nut levels, my love has only grown. However, now it's an AK-5C obsession. FNC but modern and green? Yes please.
The zoomers will never know the legitness of Vegas 2
@@Dylan.More-Veiny one of my favorites of all time
I believe the Belgian Paracommando's still use these in Antwerp for the protection of the diamond shops close to the central train station.
Heat: one of the greatest movies ever made. Also, great editing-in, guys!
Excellent vid! Great debrief
Omg the intro was literally perfect.. I love how you tied together the arms dealer with admin results hahahahaha
And I love that you have a Belgian Jigsaw shirt.. Im working on getting some kit in that scheme ... One of the coolest camos ever
On a serious note the FNC was a very good rifle for its time (came out in 1979) the only onther rfiles that I could think of during the cold war years that were head and shoulders better were the Steyr AUG and the Sig 550 series ... The FAL and its little brother FNC would prob be next in line after those 2 in my opinion ... The thing that really holds the FNC back in modern times is the chungus girth and uneeded weight ...
I admire Henry's humility when asked about the 2-position sights.