Thanks for watching! If you have a question you are welcome to come to the next Zoom meeting, it’s free! Or write your question in comments and I will answer it at the next meeting and post it later on my channel. You can find out the dates and times on my website ilonaciunaite.com/events ❤
The thing about there being spiritually aligned shame and wrong individual shame doesn't make sense. Shame is cultural conditioning, a kind of suffering inflicted to elicit a behaviour of an individual. I can't see how it could be there without the conditioned cultural value being implicit in it. And if someone is deconditioned as many say they are, where's the shame going to come from?
Thank you for sharing your view! I think that I did not design emotions and if they are here, they have right to be here, as it is an inteligent energy in action. I see emotions as body's response to ideas. Shame included.
@IlonaCiunaite good shame and bad shame is basically politics, seems to me. It's a behavioural control via suffering. I had this convo with a doctrinaire Buddhist recently. He said the truth of Buddhism is total freedom from suffering and those that disagreed should feel shame - completely missing the the irony of what he said.
@IlonaCiunaite but you can't really say you experience shame in a non self way if it's only the shame in an individual body that is felt. Unless you have the siddhi of feeling the shame in all bodies. That's of the individual.
@@IlonaCiunaite You've loved in different countries haven't you? What do you think about all the different ideas of shame in each society, does it start to seem quite arbitrary what is or isn't appropriate? If you ever want amusing accounts of spiritual movements casting off shame there are a bunch of medieval European movements that decided to cast off shame and live like Adam and Eve before the Fall running naked through the streets, stealing what they want and having orgies. That's what I think of as deconditioning. 😀
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Thanks for watching!
If you have a question you are welcome to come to the next Zoom meeting, it’s free! Or write your question in comments and I will answer it at the next meeting and post it later on my channel.
You can find out the dates and times on my website ilonaciunaite.com/events
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Loved listening to this. Thanks Ilona and everyone else who contributed to the conversation. Great inquiry! 🙏🏻❤️
Thank you for your feedback! There is a meeting on the 16th, you are welcome to join.
@@IlonaCiunaite I would love to join, but unfortunately I have something on that afternoon. Perhaps next time.
You are so right my dear😇🙏💗Subscribed for sure^^
Thank you kindly!
beautiful
Thank you!
I love it when a new episode drops - this one was perfectly timed and all the sharing was exactly what I needed to hear. Much love to you all ❤
I’m so happy to hear this! thank you for your feedback.
Thank you Ilona for this, I'd forgotten how great the meeting was so very good to hear it all again. ♥😃
Yes it was, and we will meet again on the 16th. ❤
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You told me the truth many years back dear ilona but I didn’t hear you,my mistake,much love x
The seeds planted grow.. That’s the nature of all things. sometimes we need to hear something for a thousand times until it clicks.
There are no mistakes ❤
@@IlonaCiunaite5,000 😂😅
The thing about there being spiritually aligned shame and wrong individual shame doesn't make sense. Shame is cultural conditioning, a kind of suffering inflicted to elicit a behaviour of an individual. I can't see how it could be there without the conditioned cultural value being implicit in it. And if someone is deconditioned as many say they are, where's the shame going to come from?
Thank you for sharing your view! I think that I did not design emotions and if they are here, they have right to be here, as it is an inteligent energy in action. I see emotions as body's response to ideas. Shame included.
@IlonaCiunaite good shame and bad shame is basically politics, seems to me. It's a behavioural control via suffering. I had this convo with a doctrinaire Buddhist recently.
He said the truth of Buddhism is total freedom from suffering and those that disagreed should feel shame - completely missing the the irony of what he said.
@IlonaCiunaite but you can't really say you experience shame in a non self way if it's only the shame in an individual body that is felt. Unless you have the siddhi of feeling the shame in all bodies. That's of the individual.
@@IlonaCiunaite You've loved in different countries haven't you? What do you think about all the different ideas of shame in each society, does it start to seem quite arbitrary what is or isn't appropriate? If you ever want amusing accounts of spiritual movements casting off shame there are a bunch of medieval European movements that decided to cast off shame and live like Adam and Eve before the Fall running naked through the streets, stealing what they want and having orgies. That's what I think of as deconditioning. 😀