Starfleet is lucky to get volunteers at all, the way they do wiring. No wonder Scotty was on edge ALL the time; every interaction with the tech could have meant a horrifying electrocution.
It sounds to me you have no idea how the systems are surpose to work. There wiring is a lot more complex than anything we do. It is a mix of plasma and electrical circuits. There power systems are plasma based they don't have generators like we do. There power systems have direct conversion from plasma. That is extremely efficient but a lot more complex.
@@clementvining2487 It is funny how with centuries of technological development, Starfleet still hasn't rendered pyrotechnic circuit breakers obsolete.
@@clementvining2487 All that complexity, with memetic gel packs and buffers everywhere, but something bumps into the outer hull in the just the right spot and ZAPP, another guy on the bridge gets charred to a smokin' spot on the carpet, and lightning flies all over the room...also, I'm makin' a joke about old-timey special effects.
@@clementvining2487 And terribly implausible for an organization that prefers to have _at least_ two backups. Why would you pipe _plasma_ into your control consoles when you can just use low voltage, low amperage electricity? You don't get more or better responses to controls by way of Tim Taylor Technology; it isn't a problem you can solve with MOAR POWAH.
It would be relevant to notice that the ISS literally had a hull breach and the issue was not a big deal, the crew didn't even have to get into spacesuits. Granted it was a very small leak and it was taken very seriously, but it goes to show how even in our infinitely primitive (for the purpose of sci fi) station can stand some emergencies without it being a catastrophic siren alarm festival.
I like the damage control on BSG... even when the Galactica was getting nuked on that show, or belly busting a planet's atmosphere, the command area was soaking it all up like a bunker deep inside the ship. And not blowing up every single console and killing an officer over power surges.
Tanks like the Abrams use a honeycomb structure in the fuel tanks that results in slightly less fuel being stored, but makes them more resistant when taking hits, so they position the fuel tanks on the front so it acts as extra armor for the tank. A large bunch of thick liquid makes decent armor, especially if held in place better so it can flow out of the way easily. It's a good ton plus they are carrying in gas on the vehicle, might as well make that double as armor while they're at it.
Space war is going to be like a bunch of people, all armed with bazookas, playing Hide-And-Seek on the middle of a hardpan desert. No place to hide, everyone is immediately in range of everyone else, and every weapon is so ridiculously over-powered.
Long ago as part of my job, helped support the maintenance of a large factory. It’s amazing what got substituted sometimes as suitable for purpose in a pinch.
"Slamming into the ground; also known as lithobraking". I laughed my arse off way too hard at that. And if I'm going to be on a reliable ship, it's going to have to be the plate class GSV Sleeper Service, (formerly known as the Quietly Confident). It has great in situ manufactories and is a tad handy at outrunning things.
That's practically how it is for modern cargo ships, between stops the ship navigates by GPS and docking is handled by local harbor pilots, the crew's job is primarily maintenance and being on-hand to respond to emergencies.
12:00 Isn't the most feasible option: storing the brain state digitally and generating an organic body clone near the destination, to upload the brain's state to it? In this scenario, the ship was empty to begin with, and rather than abandoning the ship, the residents simply failed to materialize for one reason or another. A crashed spaceship haunted by digital ghosts in it's system, looking for organic bodies to inhibit. I'll watch that movie.
Better: a crashed spaceship haunted by service robots looking for suitable biomass to drag off into the bioreactors to make enough stockpiles to reconstruct bodies for the crew who are digital ghosts stored on a hard drive.
@@DarthBiomech A good plot for wall-e 2. A bio reactor make for a good gore movie, but for horror, It's better if the human bodies being used as is. Just upload the alien brain into them and let them lose to hunt others. One of the details that the writer should pay attention to, would be the difference between the alien and human brain. Perhaps the ship uses a GAN to train the human brains and it's not always perfect.
For long distance ships, it always takes me out of the show if the "lone long range explorer" doesn't have a factory with it. I loved Voyager (warts and all) but even kid me was like "why didn't they *immediately* take a left turn into an uninhabited solar system and convert Voyager into a heavily armed factory ship? They have replicators?" (Yes I know..."replicators can't b/c..." BUT replicators CAN replicate robots and tools, and you have a solar system full of raw materials. Build a von Neuman probe factory, launch those babies and have scouts that eat it before you do, and then lumber from raw material point to raw material point, armed, armored and factoried up to the teeth. ) It's...literally their long range, extreme distance, top of the line, explorer. It's *supposed* to work without starbases for long times. That thing should be able to tear apart full solar systems given time and necessity.
I have recently begun to wonder why no one in Star Fleet didn't weaponize cargo transporters. Once an enemy ship's shields were down or if you where sneaky enough, you could transport entire sections of the enemy ship away. Sure you probably couldn't remove things like entire warp or impulse engines, but you could have all of them onboard lock onto the main power source of a ship and just start beaming away what ever they could grab onto from that area. Would cause all kinds of havoc to the enemy.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 you don't need to beam anything in or out, just target the crew and delete the files from the buffer before you reassemble them, free, undamaged ship with no fight.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 On that note why don't they also have an emergency system for when they get boarded? One where once the computer detects intruders it just starts auto-beaming parts of them into the void. I mean I imagine if you did that enough absolutely NO ONE(save for the Borg probably) would screw with your ships anymore.
I once read a thing on the subject of O'Brien and DS9s problems and found it very amusing about how, yes, DS9 was always having problems. However, they were always rather mundane problems, contrasting with the utter insanity of things that go wrong on Starfleet ships. It talked about the only real time where DS9 had one of those kinds of wacky malfunctions was when they decided to do a Crazy Starfleet Thing and it ended up with the crew as characters on the holodeck. It carried the implication that, by the standards of the rest of the galaxy, Starfleet Engineering was basically a whole faction of literal mad scientists.
Aluminizing a plastic soda bottle would make it pretty decent patch material for micrometer holes. It would also keep light from affecting the contents.
I've seen a few movies and games handle the damage / shipwreck angle in what seems like a rather pragmatic way. Even in the case of a severe crash, you've ideally got people and tech still working to do repairs, etc. So you build up the industrial base to do so, even if that takes a while, fix your stuff, and leave. Or maybe a main crew leaves, and a new settlement stays behind. :)
@@singletona082 - That is a military aphorism. It may have been co-opted by NASA and others but it’s been the hard truth soldiers have lived with since long before history began.
"Triple redundancy? I mean, sure, if you want to fly by the seat of your pants like that, ya heedless maniac." -- NASA and Chief Miles 'cardigan disliker' O'Brien
The sparking and exploding high voltage control panels in scifi spacecraft have always amused me. Required voltages go down as electronic sophistication goes up. Currents go up, for now, but there are overcurrent protections.
It's the FUTURE! Everything is now built with an allow of Explodium, Sparkium, and Smokium. Why can't people see the visionary and practical application of that? (Picard is intrigued by this comment. Sisko is angered by this comment. And Kirk is aroused by this comment.)
@@davidtherwhanger6795 It is funny how with centuries of technological development, Starfleet still hasn't rendered pyrotechnic circuit breakers obsolete.
@@ladislavseps4801 But we don't normally see the replicators explode. I don't remember ever seeing a replicator, even a small one, explode. Instead we see the computer panels (control circuts) explode violently enough to throw full grown adults some feet away. Those should be low voltage/ low amperage/ low current systems.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 It seem like most people see the star trek episodes and have no idea what going on. All the episodes where the control panel explodes is from a outside energy surge. That doesn't mean the control console is high voltage or any kind of safety device would have made any difference. It was part of the story line of the episode.
I always figured besides the bad writing the issue with them not using the replicators in DS9 was for a simple reason they installed the replicators designed for recreational use or smaller scale things but never installed the heavy duty replicators.
DS9's issues are trivial: They don't trust that the cardassians haven't left something nasty behind and a ful lgut-retrofit would cost more than building a new station. Given the thigns we *know* Cardassians have done? It's not unreasonable to think they'd leave spy software in place to radio home wit hthe entire schema starfleet's industrial replicators use for making new parts. Since before the dominion showed up, it was often shown that Cardassia was well behind technologically. Whichleaves a question on why starfleet didn't park a few cruisers in orbit andgo 'look here you little shit-' concerning 'the bajor problem.'
Re: Saucer shaped spacecraft, you might want to take a look at the Genesis sample return mission capsule. I recall watching on TV as the Genesis capsule fluttered down and crash (the parachute didn't open). It looked cryingly much like a bad 50's monster movie saucer crash.
Dangit I was hoping for an episode on reverse engeenering crashed alien ships, and pointing out that we probably couldnt reverse engeener it. For instance if romans stumbled upon a U.S. aircraft carrier. They just had no way to make the tools that made the ship, as the ship was made out of steel that they couldnt make, made out 1000's of times of iron that rome ever produced. The Nazis used a 50,000 ton press to make air frames for thier aircraft and the allies could not figure out how they were making the air frames until they invaded and saw the gigantic presses. In other words why we probably couldnt reverse engeener a highly advanced alien ship because the tools that made them are way beyond us.
One thing to consider is, how much time does the Finder have to work on it. If one's civilization is near its end, like Rome in the early centuries, so it runs out of time. Versus the U.S. at the end of WWII where in twenty years the Axis tech had largely been decoded and worked into the processes of its industries.
Just because you can't copy the method somebody else used doesn't mean you can't make a device that uses the same principles. Just knowing something can be done is significant information; having a device that can demonstrate the process can tell you how to build one, even if you can't build it the same way or at the same scale. And sometimes the method you _can_ do is better at the job than the method you _cannot._ This last bears some explanation; I don't mean "A method you can use is better than one you can't," which is self evident and not worthy of note. I mean local maximums are a thing, and the more 'advanced' civilization may be using a technological evolution that made more sense an innovation or three back, while those reverse-engineering the device are still using a technique the 'advanced' civ abandoned, but actually works better for the current application. As an example, vacuum tubes are still preferred for some applications over transistors.
@@boobah5643 Thats actually a part of the question. What if you can not figure out the principles behind what is being made, like the allies could not figure out how the heck the nazis were making magnissium airframes, especially without all the bolts and screws they were using to build theirs. That said what if for instance a critical component is say alloyed metalic hydrogen that must be mined on a gas giant twice the size of jupiter? There is a reason why chemistry took off after ships started sailing all over the world. It gave them access to certain chemicals they never had access to before. For instance just because you had access to baking soda doesnt mean you could reproduce it without having access to trona ore.
If the Romans stumbled on a US aircraft carrier there'd be a huge shock in the simple fact that a metal hull can float. That one tidbit alone would jump an Iron Age civ forward a millennia in ship building tech. Also for the record, the Romans DID smelt an absolute fuck-load of iron. An air craft carrier uses a lot of metal, yes, but the Romans in particular of any pre-industrial civilization could have probably done it if they put their minds to it. The lead mining in Iberia for instances was so intense during the 2nd century that tree ring and ice sheet bore holes in the arctic show a spike in the atmospheric contents that wouldn't be matched again until the Industrial revolution. Water driven mining, in-line water-wheel factory forges and immense levels of consumer production usage. There's a hill in Rome that's made entirely of shattered shards of amphora vats (huge 50 gallon drum sized barrels) that were filled with olive oil. Had things gone just a bit different, the Roman empire could have figured out how to industrialize by 500 ad. Sorta the cultural aspect that goes along with the whole "vacuum tubes vs transistors" choice mentioned before. The Romans unfortunately listened to the Greeks for all the big idea stuff, so Plato and his cave of shadows ephemeral nonsense dominated thought. No one put theories to the test and implemented them, just having the theory was good enough to build a whole second theory off of the first and everything sounded like String Theory. Unprovable bullshit based off of someone elses unprovable bullshit built off of speculation that was never tested. Plato single handedly screwed up reasoning and deduction for roughly a millennia and we still to this day go back to his garbage. If you haven't guessed, I prefer Socrates myself, lol. Anyway, the fact of the matter is yeah the Romans probably COULD have smelted and forged enough iron to create entire fleets of metal vessel, even a few with tonnages similar to a modern warship. An eccentric emperor could've done a single air craft carrier sized flagship, sure, would've been more practical for lots of smaller ships tho (smaller as in WWII destroyer sized, still hundreds of tons of metal).
@@Lusa_Iceheart My hat is off to you because you are dead on about plato. Most people do not realize that. Philosophy has a lot to do with science, and that is legitmatly worth studying. And boy you are right, it would be interesting to see what Rome did if they realized iron could float.
Side effect of the low budget and creative thinking. Probably blame background issues on that. I don’t agree on things with the newer series do on occasion but the exploding console doesn’t really happen anymore since they actual show damage to the ships now. Yeah panels still explode but where the attack happens not on the bridge.
Given that that nuke that got dropped by accident in NC only failed to detonate because the 2nd or 3rd backup actually worked as intended, I don't think a ship having multiple backups in critical systems is all that unusual. I'd rather have triple or hextuple emergency backups on my _antimatter_ power plant systems than risk an oops all exploded.
Ralts Bloodthorne's Behold Humanity series features the brain imprint download to solve the problem of people dying or being killed unexpectantly. He even has some of the downsides to that type of tech. It's a fun series when I want some entertainment that is pulp like.
Redneck abducted by aliens. "I see whut ya prob'lem ez. Yur Fusion dohikki is out'ta whack with your Reaction Stabilizer thingamabob. But you get me a wire clothes hanger, a Coke can, and a roll of duct tape; I can git'ye az fur az Uranus." -parodied from Jeff Foxworthy.
Well if it's a US military ship you can also just break out the peanut butter packages from MRE's(Meals Rejected by Ethiopians). As I've heard from friends the stuff works great for patching holes lol.
Main and Backup failure simultaneously is not a coincidence. The Backup fails because someone plugs it in right where the Main was without first understanding why the Main failed. So it's subject to the same overvoltage, vibration, mechanical stress, etc. that destroyed the main. The secondary backup is provided in hopes that an additional chance to understand the problem will not be wasted.
Only one SFIA will the talk of possibly cutting peoples heads off in a damaged ship be mentioned as a plausible means of ensuring survivors.😂😂 Yet another informative episode Isaac.
"Quick, to the emergency biostasis tanks!" "Erm. Why are these tanks only one cubic foot in volume." "No time to explain! Now hold still while I saw your head off."
Indeed; The USS Roosevelt (WW2 aircraft carrier) was undergoing a re-fit and they discovered a machine shop from the original construction of the ship that had been entirely walled in and forgotten. It was not on any of the blue prints.
Soda bottles are great for sealing holes in ships. The bottles hold in excess of 4 atmospheres of pressure safely, so would be great for 1 atm or less. Liquid inside is great at blocking radiation, and ice is a great insulator!
The one thing I always found an interesting and neat concept in the Halo EU. Was how many Forerunner ships where actually mostly made of Hard Light. Which allowed them to be almost instantly reconfigured depending on situational need. It was a neat take on the "programmable matter" trope in sci-fi.
Usually hardlight is made to be as a connector or support between forerunner structures or assets & using it as a weapon or defence like shields & projectiles. Nothing is purely made of hardlight given it needs energy to run, & a sh*ttonne of it. The metal alloys themselves they use for everything from their armours to halos are straight up memory matter nanomachines of sorts, far more reliable & less energy consumption/intensity.
@@jackochainsaw He have to low temperature to be active. Also if he try sneaky pass will no try behave so erratic he will try mimic normal profile like 2I/Borisov
SCUBA Diving Mnemonic Device: 'Two is one, and one is none'. Redundancy forever! The Shuttle had 5 flight deck comps, all of which had to agree. Orion, I understand, has 4, for the same reasons. 'Freezing Tubes' (a la LOS) is one form of imaginary suspended animation, unless you are a 30 year old frozen embryo. 'Stasis Boxes', a la Larry Niven and various Trek Episodes, is NOT freezing. Stasis uses electromagnetic force fields to suspend all molecular activity. In some narratives, 'stasis' involves a narrow time bubble on freeze-frame. Trek's Transporter originally placed the Transportee in stasis so that the system can scan the molecular pattern so as to reassemble it at the destination point. The perfect comprehensive Trek episode demonstrating this is Larry Niven's 'Slaver Weapon', aired in 1974. That's the episode where the Kzinti cross over, not to be 'replicated' until Star Trek Picard's 1st Season. All the above being said, Mr. Arthur knows his stuff. LLAP! BTW, Dorothy Fontana's 'Yesteryear' invalidates the 3 JJ Abrahms films, the negatives of which should be burned, and all copies recalled and destroyed, never to be talked about at any legit Trekcon.
I like the idea of TV windows. They don't cause heat loss or heat gain and you can have each one connected to several cameras to give you different views of the outside world.
The Enterprise would always lose life support before gravity. Which is strange because presumably the antigravity systems seem like they’d require a lot of power, and there’s a thousand people on a ship that could carry 10 thousand easy. So one expects they’d have some extra air. At least in the case of the Enterprise D.
My favorite quote along those lines is from Star Trek Online. "Alpha Quadrant tech has too many redundancies. You have backups for your backups and emergency power always fails in an emergency." -Ydren
In my long running D&D campaign, the PCs have owned the equivalent of an interstellar FedEx truck for quite some time and I think it's about to have some mechanical problems 😈
And yes, the first thing they did after clearing the bodies out of the cargo hold was stand back and basically say, "wow, we could fit SO MUCH contraband in this thing!"
In the tech space there's a thing called "three point backups," where you actually do have a second backup, because the chances of a main disk and backup disk failing at the same time are surprisingly high, either because the primary backup is close to the main disk, or because it was manufactured by the same company and/or at around the same time.
Regarding using standardized, off the shelf components in prototypes, this is 100% true. I have been told "if you're building an X plane, borrow your landing gear" by someone who does in fact build X planes.
When I was a child I had these books 'Terran Trade Authority Spacewreck: Ghostships and Derelicts of space. It was from sometime back in the 70's. I LOVED the illustrations and they were a Huge source of inspiration for me. This video reminded me of that
26:35 As the object is large enough, the pressure underneath that's being built up, and yields upforce on the hull by 100.000 Newtons per square meter per bar of pressure. So basically if the object is large enough, to dissallow dissipation of said pressure, it could receive enough counter force to signgificantly slow it down, before impact, especially when 10 or 100 bar pressure is generated. 100 bar of caught up pressure means you can stack solid steel on top worth 1 million kg, which corresponds to a 128 meters solid steel beam from on 1 m3, more than sufficient to reduce the speed of a falling star destroyer. And yes, you can survive that with a good seat and belt, since the first to give way is the ground and the structure of the ship, as both in conjunction impart deceleration on you, for as long as you're not directly involved in cushioning that impact. This also relates directly to size, for a bigger ship allows for less sudden deceleration, with more crumpling. This, however is excluded for ships who's structural stability far exceeds certain specs. They would not crumple during impact, and thus greatly increase the maximum deceleration value, unless the ground would make up the difference by giving way more to the undeformable material..
8:10 Standardized isn't normal ln big ships like the Iowa class Battleships. The four we have has different Floorplans. I don't know about the Liberty Ships. Certainly as they learned over time.
Well. In Elite Dangerous, before the advent of FSD. If you crashed and you are stranded on a planet, you're basically effed. That is basically what happened to many stranded ships in the game.
One of the big things I've tried to do with my setting is that instead of just having a dedicated 3D printer, they have a "multi-axis tool motion system." That's a lot of words to say it moves the tool its using around in 3D space. This means that with a decent tool changer and swappable build platforms, it can be a 3D printer, plasma cutter, CNC mill, or PCB printer. It's a bit out there and sounds like sci-fi handwavium, but these sorts of tools are already in active development for industrial prototyping applications.
I think ST ships break so often there is not really a backup. There is redundancy. Reminds me of a Kerbal RP-1 rocket I made. Middle stage had engine failures every flight and every sim, but it was ok because it had 7 engines in a redundant configuration and the chances that all of them fail before the fuel runs out is very low.
There is one aspect where artificial gravity would be used, based on Babylon 5. A spin gravity ship has to be designed around this, compromising elsewhere in design. If energy isn't a significant issue, AG can let you shape a craft for other aspects.
You have a main component, a back up component, a back up backup component, and then a secret back up that only a small handful of people know about just in case everything else is sabotaged.
Personally, I would prefer backup replicators safely stashed away, not hooked up to any other system, that could get you back up and running relatively quickly.
I can see a crew making videos going over repairs, talking about problems on the ship, telling stories or even acting out plays. The crew would have years or decades to kill time and it would help future generations, the next 3 ship crews or even just for historical records.
24:00ish, the optical mouse DID replace all other computer mice AND there isn't a subculture dedicated to saying that one of the old ways was better (which is there seemingly always is, in computing).
It would make sense to have a entire section of the ship to carry a construction shop for possible replacement manufacturing, maybe while landing on certain planets, minerals can be mined to supply the materials needed as the diminish for future repairs.
28:30 the probability compariso nis usually more a reference to competence as in it's hard to imagine someone can invent the kind of propulsion needed for practical interstelalr travel but at the same time be incapable of building and pilotign an airplane that cna fly through a desert for afew miles without crashing
A long jurney made me think of how one can recycle enough material. Usual stuff like air and water is simple, but what you do with any mechanical parts that wear (say metal that eventually produces metal dust in lubrication)? Or what to do with clothes, non wearable or once that wear, how to make new clothes from dust wearing made? For a very very long journey you need either lots of spares are extremely high level of recycling (or a combination). I don't normally think of recycling dust from dead skin or dust from clothes. Both can be biodegradeable and recycled that way of course but that forces you to lot of material choices to make suitably.
As for the IC chips and control circuits, I can see general purpose components like Arduino and FPGA getting used as temporary replacements until the real fix arrives. We can keep an inventry of those components and keep re-using them where they are needed.
At some point the ability to make new parts isn't a matter of having the required tools either but the required materials. So not only do you need to have a whole manufacturing component to your ship capable of making literally anything but you'll need to bring stuff for resource gathering as well.
It is my hope that future on-demand fabrication equipment will consist of 3D printers chained together by conveyor belt to CNC, injection molding, and automated sanding (post-processing) machines.
26:40 well it depends on shape and on mass/cross section ratio and bullets, being small have a limited mass/cross section you try to decrease it oth to reduce drag and increase penetration but then you increase the barel length needed to reach a certain muzzle velocity an dfundamentally, there's only so much mass/cross section ratio that a dense metal a few centimetes in length can reach a large object will easily reach more
Where would we be without that mind of yours, Isaac? If we ever perfect cloning, I'm nominating you to be one of the first. We need more "smarts" in this world! Thank you, Sir.
3:57 I don't remember the episode but Picard was on a civilian shuttle/pod that crashed in a desert (TANGENT if you want more of it because it tastes good then you add another "t" at the end). It had a broken Food Replicator for emergency use.
The wreckage of what appears to be a possible O'Neal Cylinder is sitting on the ocean floor just off the East coast of Florida. It is 58+ miles in length. Ten miles in diameter and is comprised of rings that have interlocking features that are themselves a quarter of a mile across. Here are the coordinates. 28°22'21"N 76°01'40"W
Boats are a better analogue to spaceships than planes or cars, smaller boats tend to carry radios if not going far or backups based on how far from help they will be taken, until they get big enough to carry enough crew that you can have crewmembers that can repair almost anything or get help sent to you. Mine has an electric motor that can be powered by a generator and drive the propshaft through a belt because it only has a single engine, multiple engines will usually be more useful until you get to the cargo ships with the gigantic single engines, they rely on being able to drift and not be near enough to hit anything until they can be fixed, or, if they ARE near enough to hit things there will generally also be tugs close enough to help them.
I feel it's only fair to point out there have been historical circumstances where people where justified in debating the existence of foreign nations. That said for such circumstances would only really be relevant if we're amongst the first sophonts to emerge within the relevant areas.
On a space ship, you still have to have spares ready for use if something breaks, and there is no real reason not to have them installed and running since you have to have the mass, either of the spare or the stuff you 3d print it from anyway. So just install it as a 3rd or 12th backup for safety reasons.
_Tommyknockers_ by Stephen King immediately came to mind! (his most poorly written novel, I know, but I love the story) An alien spaceship that crashed on Earth during the last ice age and is now using humans to unearth it. And replacing the dead aliens inside with those humans, using them as living batteries. A broken spaceship using humans in some horrific ways. I wish it could be rewritten, done _right!_ possibly as a graphic novel or tv series.
14:07 out to what distance is a 20 watt signal detectable? 20 watts is not a lot of power, even with a highly-directional antenna and a lot of gain when you're talking about interstellar distances.
In a civilization where everything has been standardized for a millennium, we will see the job of designing new things go extinct. The civilization may lose the capability to design anything, becoming a lost skill set. In that case the civilization may be very powerful on paper, but incapable of reacting to change or emerging threats.
3 is 2, 2 is 1, 1 is none. My time in aviation (USAF) there was typically 2 redundant sub-systems in a box and two boxes in the main system. This was 60-70s tech. In 80-90s it was two channels per box, with redundant subsystems in 4 seperate boxes located in different locations. Another thing they do is put redundant systems on seperate power busses in case you lose one. The real trip was there were mechanical backups in case all those other backups shit the bed. (The B1-B was 50% mechanical and 50% fly by wire.)
Starfleet is lucky to get volunteers at all, the way they do wiring. No wonder Scotty was on edge ALL the time; every interaction with the tech could have meant a horrifying electrocution.
I don't know why Starfleet just doesn't use crew consoles as warheads instead of antimatter.
It sounds to me you have no idea how the systems are surpose to work. There wiring is a lot more complex than anything we do. It is a mix of plasma and electrical circuits. There power systems are plasma based they don't have generators like we do. There power systems have direct conversion from plasma. That is extremely efficient but a lot more complex.
@@clementvining2487 It is funny how with centuries of technological development, Starfleet still hasn't rendered pyrotechnic circuit breakers obsolete.
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All that complexity, with memetic gel packs and buffers everywhere, but something bumps into the outer hull in the just the right spot and ZAPP, another guy on the bridge gets charred to a smokin' spot on the carpet, and lightning flies all over the room...also, I'm makin' a joke about old-timey special effects.
@@clementvining2487 And terribly implausible for an organization that prefers to have _at least_ two backups. Why would you pipe _plasma_ into your control consoles when you can just use low voltage, low amperage electricity? You don't get more or better responses to controls by way of Tim Taylor Technology; it isn't a problem you can solve with MOAR POWAH.
It would be relevant to notice that the ISS literally had a hull breach and the issue was not a big deal, the crew didn't even have to get into spacesuits. Granted it was a very small leak and it was taken very seriously, but it goes to show how even in our infinitely primitive (for the purpose of sci fi) station can stand some emergencies without it being a catastrophic siren alarm festival.
If I recall correctly duct tape is a standard tool up there and that minor leak was temporarily fixed with that
I imagine that the only reason behind it being taken extremely seriously was due to the huge amount of work and shuttles it took to get it there.
@@jimmiedmc1 If the stupid idea works, it wasn't a stupid idea.
It is funneh that th eengineering failures in Startrek always make it to the interface.
If it was a big breach- the alarm siren is sort of pointless 🔕
I like the damage control on BSG... even when the Galactica was getting nuked on that show, or belly busting a planet's atmosphere, the command area was soaking it all up like a bunker deep inside the ship. And not blowing up every single console and killing an officer over power surges.
BSG 2000 is, easily, one of the best shows out there.
Minus the last season
@@ericvulgate minus your bad opinion.
Never heard of BSG... Gonna look it up and watch it
@@matthewsoules7064 ?, Battle star Galactica..!
Tanks like the Abrams use a honeycomb structure in the fuel tanks that results in slightly less fuel being stored, but makes them more resistant when taking hits, so they position the fuel tanks on the front so it acts as extra armor for the tank. A large bunch of thick liquid makes decent armor, especially if held in place better so it can flow out of the way easily. It's a good ton plus they are carrying in gas on the vehicle, might as well make that double as armor while they're at it.
Space war is going to be like a bunch of people, all armed with bazookas, playing Hide-And-Seek on the middle of a hardpan desert. No place to hide, everyone is immediately in range of everyone else, and every weapon is so ridiculously over-powered.
Mexican Stand-off Rocket Launcher Tag. Not the first time we've been there.
Long ago as part of my job, helped support the maintenance of a large factory. It’s amazing what got substituted sometimes as suitable for purpose in a pinch.
99% of problems in a factory can be "temporarily" fixed with a cable tie. Spaceships just need to take up a big bag of cable ties. Problem sorted.
@@McShave approximately half their mass in cable ties to be safe. 😀
@@theblackswan2373 It won't be paperclip maximizer Fermi Threat; it'll be rogue cable tie fabricators.
@@harbl99 no doubt! LOL
"It ain't pretty, but it works."
"Slamming into the ground; also known as lithobraking".
I laughed my arse off way too hard at that.
And if I'm going to be on a reliable ship,
it's going to have to be the plate class GSV Sleeper Service, (formerly known as the Quietly Confident). It has great in situ manufactories and is a tad handy at outrunning things.
Culture series is awesome. RIP Ian M Banks
@@M33f3r I genuinely miss him, and am sad that no new "Culture" stories (or any Banks sc-fi ) will be forthcoming.
Us Kerbal Space Program players use Lithobraking far more and more often than intended, truely, still funny every time though!
I feel like in a plausible future, crew will exist primarily as damage control.
That's practically how it is for modern cargo ships, between stops the ship navigates by GPS and docking is handled by local harbor pilots, the crew's job is primarily maintenance and being on-hand to respond to emergencies.
12:00 Isn't the most feasible option: storing the brain state digitally and generating an organic body clone near the destination, to upload the brain's state to it?
In this scenario, the ship was empty to begin with, and rather than abandoning the ship, the residents simply failed to materialize for one reason or another. A crashed spaceship haunted by digital ghosts in it's system, looking for organic bodies to inhibit. I'll watch that movie.
Better: a crashed spaceship haunted by service robots looking for suitable biomass to drag off into the bioreactors to make enough stockpiles to reconstruct bodies for the crew who are digital ghosts stored on a hard drive.
@@dedu458 It was also an SG-1 episode.
@@DarthBiomech A good plot for wall-e 2.
A bio reactor make for a good gore movie, but for horror, It's better if the human bodies being used as is. Just upload the alien brain into them and let them lose to hunt others.
One of the details that the writer should pay attention to, would be the difference between the alien and human brain. Perhaps the ship uses a GAN to train the human brains and it's not always perfect.
For long distance ships, it always takes me out of the show if the "lone long range explorer" doesn't have a factory with it.
I loved Voyager (warts and all) but even kid me was like "why didn't they *immediately* take a left turn into an uninhabited solar system and convert Voyager into a heavily armed factory ship? They have replicators?"
(Yes I know..."replicators can't b/c..." BUT replicators CAN replicate robots and tools, and you have a solar system full of raw materials. Build a von Neuman probe factory, launch those babies and have scouts that eat it before you do, and then lumber from raw material point to raw material point, armed, armored and factoried up to the teeth. )
It's...literally their long range, extreme distance, top of the line, explorer. It's *supposed* to work without starbases for long times. That thing should be able to tear apart full solar systems given time and necessity.
I have recently begun to wonder why no one in Star Fleet didn't weaponize cargo transporters. Once an enemy ship's shields were down or if you where sneaky enough, you could transport entire sections of the enemy ship away. Sure you probably couldn't remove things like entire warp or impulse engines, but you could have all of them onboard lock onto the main power source of a ship and just start beaming away what ever they could grab onto from that area. Would cause all kinds of havoc to the enemy.
@@davidtherwhanger6795
Remove just part of a warp core.....
@@davidtherwhanger6795 Beaming a photon grenade into the warp core works too 🤣
@@davidtherwhanger6795 you don't need to beam anything in or out, just target the crew and delete the files from the buffer before you reassemble them, free, undamaged ship with no fight.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 On that note why don't they also have an emergency system for when they get boarded? One where once the computer detects intruders it just starts auto-beaming parts of them into the void. I mean I imagine if you did that enough absolutely NO ONE(save for the Borg probably) would screw with your ships anymore.
I once read a thing on the subject of O'Brien and DS9s problems and found it very amusing about how, yes, DS9 was always having problems. However, they were always rather mundane problems, contrasting with the utter insanity of things that go wrong on Starfleet ships. It talked about the only real time where DS9 had one of those kinds of wacky malfunctions was when they decided to do a Crazy Starfleet Thing and it ended up with the crew as characters on the holodeck. It carried the implication that, by the standards of the rest of the galaxy, Starfleet Engineering was basically a whole faction of literal mad scientists.
Aluminizing a plastic soda bottle would make it pretty decent patch material for micrometer holes. It would also keep light from affecting the contents.
Its a small sticker for small holes and larger stickers for larger holes and the plugs on the station are for as$shole crew.
I've seen a few movies and games handle the damage / shipwreck angle in what seems like a rather pragmatic way. Even in the case of a severe crash, you've ideally got people and tech still working to do repairs, etc. So you build up the industrial base to do so, even if that takes a while, fix your stuff, and leave. Or maybe a main crew leaves, and a new settlement stays behind. :)
Sounds like the plot of Factorio
"Sure we've had first back up, but what about second backup?!" Chief O'Brien, probably.
Two is One. One is None.
Nasa works off of this philosophy, or at least did during Apollo.
@@singletona082 - That is a military aphorism. It may have been co-opted by NASA and others but it’s been the hard truth soldiers have lived with since long before history began.
@@ColdHawk "That's the first rule of warfare, after all." - Isaac Arthur, probably.
@@DarkVeghetta - No doubt about it. In a split second, Isaac Arthur would absolutely endorse that as the First Rule of Warfare!
"Triple redundancy? I mean, sure, if you want to fly by the seat of your pants like that, ya heedless maniac." -- NASA and Chief Miles 'cardigan disliker' O'Brien
The sparking and exploding high voltage control panels in scifi spacecraft have always amused me. Required voltages go down as electronic sophistication goes up. Currents go up, for now, but there are overcurrent protections.
It's the FUTURE!
Everything is now built with an allow of Explodium, Sparkium, and Smokium.
Why can't people see the visionary and practical application of that?
(Picard is intrigued by this comment. Sisko is angered by this comment. And Kirk is aroused by this comment.)
@@davidtherwhanger6795 It is funny how with centuries of technological development, Starfleet still hasn't rendered pyrotechnic circuit breakers obsolete.
Depends. For the replicators we are talking petawats of energy. I would assume higher voltage goes long way to avoid trillion amp circuit breakers..
@@ladislavseps4801 But we don't normally see the replicators explode. I don't remember ever seeing a replicator, even a small one, explode. Instead we see the computer panels (control circuts) explode violently enough to throw full grown adults some feet away. Those should be low voltage/ low amperage/ low current systems.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 It seem like most people see the star trek episodes and have no idea what going on. All the episodes where the control panel explodes is from a outside energy surge. That doesn't mean the control console is high voltage or any kind of safety device would have made any difference. It was part of the story line of the episode.
I always figured besides the bad writing the issue with them not using the replicators in DS9 was for a simple reason they installed the replicators designed for recreational use or smaller scale things but never installed the heavy duty replicators.
DS9's issues are trivial:
They don't trust that the cardassians haven't left something nasty behind and a ful lgut-retrofit would cost more than building a new station.
Given the thigns we *know* Cardassians have done? It's not unreasonable to think they'd leave spy software in place to radio home wit hthe entire schema starfleet's industrial replicators use for making new parts. Since before the dominion showed up, it was often shown that Cardassia was well behind technologically.
Whichleaves a question on why starfleet didn't park a few cruisers in orbit andgo 'look here you little shit-' concerning 'the bajor problem.'
Industrial replicators damn near require their own warp core to function 🤣
4:25 A version of the replicator was aboard the Space Battleship Yamato on the way to Iscandar.
Gotta love a gent who uses "MacGyver" as a verb. 👍
Re: Saucer shaped spacecraft, you might want to take a look at the Genesis sample return mission capsule. I recall watching on TV as the Genesis capsule fluttered down and crash (the parachute didn't open). It looked cryingly much like a bad 50's monster movie saucer crash.
When I was a small child I found a crashed, abandoned spaceship. My dad said it was just an old water tank, but that's adults for you. No imagination.
Dangit I was hoping for an episode on reverse engeenering crashed alien ships, and pointing out that we probably couldnt reverse engeener it.
For instance if romans stumbled upon a U.S. aircraft carrier. They just had no way to make the tools that made the ship, as the ship was made out of steel that they couldnt make, made out 1000's of times of iron that rome ever produced.
The Nazis used a 50,000 ton press to make air frames for thier aircraft and the allies could not figure out how they were making the air frames until they invaded and saw the gigantic presses.
In other words why we probably couldnt reverse engeener a highly advanced alien ship because the tools that made them are way beyond us.
One thing to consider is, how much time does the Finder have to work on it. If one's civilization is near its end, like Rome in the early centuries, so it runs out of time. Versus the U.S. at the end of WWII where in twenty years the Axis tech had largely been decoded and worked into the processes of its industries.
Just because you can't copy the method somebody else used doesn't mean you can't make a device that uses the same principles. Just knowing something can be done is significant information; having a device that can demonstrate the process can tell you how to build one, even if you can't build it the same way or at the same scale. And sometimes the method you _can_ do is better at the job than the method you _cannot._
This last bears some explanation; I don't mean "A method you can use is better than one you can't," which is self evident and not worthy of note. I mean local maximums are a thing, and the more 'advanced' civilization may be using a technological evolution that made more sense an innovation or three back, while those reverse-engineering the device are still using a technique the 'advanced' civ abandoned, but actually works better for the current application. As an example, vacuum tubes are still preferred for some applications over transistors.
@@boobah5643 Thats actually a part of the question. What if you can not figure out the principles behind what is being made, like the allies could not figure out how the heck the nazis were making magnissium airframes, especially without all the bolts and screws they were using to build theirs.
That said what if for instance a critical component is say alloyed metalic hydrogen that must be mined on a gas giant twice the size of jupiter? There is a reason why chemistry took off after ships started sailing all over the world. It gave them access to certain chemicals they never had access to before. For instance just because you had access to baking soda doesnt mean you could reproduce it without having access to trona ore.
If the Romans stumbled on a US aircraft carrier there'd be a huge shock in the simple fact that a metal hull can float. That one tidbit alone would jump an Iron Age civ forward a millennia in ship building tech. Also for the record, the Romans DID smelt an absolute fuck-load of iron. An air craft carrier uses a lot of metal, yes, but the Romans in particular of any pre-industrial civilization could have probably done it if they put their minds to it. The lead mining in Iberia for instances was so intense during the 2nd century that tree ring and ice sheet bore holes in the arctic show a spike in the atmospheric contents that wouldn't be matched again until the Industrial revolution. Water driven mining, in-line water-wheel factory forges and immense levels of consumer production usage. There's a hill in Rome that's made entirely of shattered shards of amphora vats (huge 50 gallon drum sized barrels) that were filled with olive oil. Had things gone just a bit different, the Roman empire could have figured out how to industrialize by 500 ad. Sorta the cultural aspect that goes along with the whole "vacuum tubes vs transistors" choice mentioned before. The Romans unfortunately listened to the Greeks for all the big idea stuff, so Plato and his cave of shadows ephemeral nonsense dominated thought. No one put theories to the test and implemented them, just having the theory was good enough to build a whole second theory off of the first and everything sounded like String Theory. Unprovable bullshit based off of someone elses unprovable bullshit built off of speculation that was never tested. Plato single handedly screwed up reasoning and deduction for roughly a millennia and we still to this day go back to his garbage. If you haven't guessed, I prefer Socrates myself, lol. Anyway, the fact of the matter is yeah the Romans probably COULD have smelted and forged enough iron to create entire fleets of metal vessel, even a few with tonnages similar to a modern warship. An eccentric emperor could've done a single air craft carrier sized flagship, sure, would've been more practical for lots of smaller ships tho (smaller as in WWII destroyer sized, still hundreds of tons of metal).
@@Lusa_Iceheart My hat is off to you because you are dead on about plato. Most people do not realize that. Philosophy has a lot to do with science, and that is legitmatly worth studying.
And boy you are right, it would be interesting to see what Rome did if they realized iron could float.
always wonder why they do not have surge protectors on star trek
Side effect of the low budget and creative thinking. Probably blame background issues on that. I don’t agree on things with the newer series do on occasion but the exploding console doesn’t really happen anymore since they actual show damage to the ships now. Yeah panels still explode but where the attack happens not on the bridge.
I think they should have had an episode where they had an away mission but they forgot Data's charger adaptor and Geordi tries to improvise one.
i always wonder why they put explosives in all the control panels that the crew stand over ..
LMAO it does seem like they plug everything else into the consoles up on the bridge
They run high energy plasma conduits through all the consoles. Crazy, I know.
Given that that nuke that got dropped by accident in NC only failed to detonate because the 2nd or 3rd backup actually worked as intended, I don't think a ship having multiple backups in critical systems is all that unusual. I'd rather have triple or hextuple emergency backups on my _antimatter_ power plant systems than risk an oops all exploded.
"Since we don't live in a science fiction episode... probably..." Isaac 2022
I was looking for this comment. +1
* sensible chuckle as I read this on my pocket-sized glowing glass tablet pulling data from the global information network *
Only a man who has never thrown a Frisbee would say that a saucer shape doesn't fly well.
Of course, if you throw it slightly wrong it can plummet and drop out of the air suddenly.
Ralts Bloodthorne's Behold Humanity series features the brain imprint download to solve the problem of people dying or being killed unexpectantly. He even has some of the downsides to that type of tech. It's a fun series when I want some entertainment that is pulp like.
That star trek scene was literally what I thought of when you first mentioned backup systems.🤣
30:13 is literally the best use of that clip in the entire history of this channel.
What do you do if your ship breaks down a trillion miles from home? Break out the duct tape.
Redneck abducted by aliens. "I see whut ya prob'lem ez. Yur Fusion dohikki is out'ta whack with your Reaction Stabilizer thingamabob. But you get me a wire clothes hanger, a Coke can, and a roll of duct tape; I can git'ye az fur az Uranus." -parodied from Jeff Foxworthy.
Don't forget your baling wire and bubble gum or JB weld.
WD-40 and a spanner always work too🤣
Well if it's a US military ship you can also just break out the peanut butter packages from MRE's(Meals Rejected by Ethiopians). As I've heard from friends the stuff works great for patching holes lol.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 Tootsie rolls?? My god man that's BRILLANT! lol
Main and Backup failure simultaneously is not a coincidence. The Backup fails because someone plugs it in right where the Main was without first understanding why the Main failed. So it's subject to the same overvoltage, vibration, mechanical stress, etc. that destroyed the main. The secondary backup is provided in hopes that an additional chance to understand the problem will not be wasted.
“Since we do not live in a science fiction episode… probably”. 😂
Imagine if it was
@@samuelmatheson9655 a bored kid mashing the disaster button does explain things though.
Only one SFIA will the talk of possibly cutting peoples heads off in a damaged ship be mentioned as a plausible means of ensuring survivors.😂😂
Yet another informative episode Isaac.
schlockmercenary is a good comic that has a bit of that in it.
"Quick, to the emergency biostasis tanks!"
"Erm. Why are these tanks only one cubic foot in volume."
"No time to explain! Now hold still while I saw your head off."
"I'm sitting atop millions of parts all supplied by the lowest bidders"- John Glenn
3:44 Ships (the ocean-going kind) do have machine shops on them.
Indeed; The USS Roosevelt (WW2 aircraft carrier) was undergoing a re-fit and they discovered a machine shop from the original construction of the ship that had been entirely walled in and forgotten. It was not on any of the blue prints.
Soda bottles are great for sealing holes in ships. The bottles hold in excess of 4 atmospheres of pressure safely, so would be great for 1 atm or less. Liquid inside is great at blocking radiation, and ice is a great insulator!
The one thing I always found an interesting and neat concept in the Halo EU. Was how many Forerunner ships where actually mostly made of Hard Light. Which allowed them to be almost instantly reconfigured depending on situational need. It was a neat take on the "programmable matter" trope in sci-fi.
Usually hardlight is made to be as a connector or support between forerunner structures or assets & using it as a weapon or defence like shields & projectiles. Nothing is purely made of hardlight given it needs energy to run, & a sh*ttonne of it.
The metal alloys themselves they use for everything from their armours to halos are straight up memory matter nanomachines of sorts, far more reliable & less energy consumption/intensity.
In my opinion Oumuamua was best candidate for Damaged Spacecraft.
Was it damaged, or was it just doing a sneaky scan pass before heading off for its next destination?
Rosswell comes to mind. Hard to say if there is anything to it, but the official stories were pretty fishy.
@@jackochainsaw He have to low temperature to be active. Also if he try sneaky pass will no try behave so erratic he will try mimic normal profile like 2I/Borisov
It could have been an unmanned alien probe that has gathered a buildup of ice from it's travel through space.
@@sidgar1 Oumuamua is extremely rare natural formation, or common piece of tech junk. Both case are worth of sending probe after it.
SCUBA Diving Mnemonic Device: 'Two is one, and one is none'. Redundancy forever! The Shuttle had 5 flight deck comps, all of which had to agree. Orion, I understand, has 4, for the same reasons. 'Freezing Tubes' (a la LOS) is one form of imaginary suspended animation, unless you are a 30 year old frozen embryo. 'Stasis Boxes', a la Larry Niven and various Trek Episodes, is NOT freezing. Stasis uses electromagnetic force fields to suspend all molecular activity. In some narratives, 'stasis' involves a narrow time bubble on freeze-frame. Trek's Transporter originally placed the Transportee in stasis so that the system can scan the molecular pattern so as to reassemble it at the destination point. The perfect comprehensive Trek episode demonstrating this is Larry Niven's 'Slaver Weapon', aired in 1974. That's the episode where the Kzinti cross over, not to be 'replicated' until Star Trek Picard's 1st Season. All the above being said, Mr. Arthur knows his stuff. LLAP!
BTW, Dorothy Fontana's 'Yesteryear' invalidates the 3 JJ Abrahms films, the negatives of which should be burned, and all copies recalled and destroyed, never to be talked about at any legit Trekcon.
I like the idea of TV windows. They don't cause heat loss or heat gain and you can have each one connected to several cameras to give you different views of the outside world.
As much as we like to make fun of the systems on the enterprise breaking spectacularly, i have to admit the artificial gravity is very reliable.
"Now, if we could just make the rest of the ship work as well..."
every time you express surprise at things being done fast and cheap instead of well, I always envy your faith in humanity.
Also shocking, considering he was in the army 😂😂
Theoretically, a single hand phaser has enough energy stored to keep Enterprise's life support going for days or weeks.
I never saw that episode but I did see where it was enough for a shuddle life support. But on next generation not star trek enterprise.
The Enterprise would always lose life support before gravity. Which is strange because presumably the antigravity systems seem like they’d require a lot of power, and there’s a thousand people on a ship that could carry 10 thousand easy. So one expects they’d have some extra air. At least in the case of the Enterprise D.
My favorite quote along those lines is from Star Trek Online. "Alpha Quadrant tech has too many redundancies. You have backups for your backups and emergency power always fails in an emergency." -Ydren
“When it rains it pours, and the weather in space is even crazier.” Isaac Arthur
Love it.
In my long running D&D campaign, the PCs have owned the equivalent of an interstellar FedEx truck for quite some time and I think it's about to have some mechanical problems 😈
And yes, the first thing they did after clearing the bodies out of the cargo hold was stand back and basically say, "wow, we could fit SO MUCH contraband in this thing!"
@@danieljryba Ofc they did. I wouldn't expect anything less.
Those kleptomaniacal little scamps.
Haven't listened to one of these in a while.
The Nostalgia hitting hard.
In the tech space there's a thing called "three point backups," where you actually do have a second backup, because the chances of a main disk and backup disk failing at the same time are surprisingly high, either because the primary backup is close to the main disk, or because it was manufactured by the same company and/or at around the same time.
My week is made better by watching the optimism of Isaac Arthur each week.
Regarding using standardized, off the shelf components in prototypes, this is 100% true. I have been told "if you're building an X plane, borrow your landing gear" by someone who does in fact build X planes.
When I was a child I had these books 'Terran Trade Authority Spacewreck: Ghostships and Derelicts of space. It was from sometime back in the 70's. I LOVED the illustrations and they were a Huge source of inspiration for me. This video reminded me of that
26:35 As the object is large enough, the pressure underneath that's
being built up, and yields upforce on the hull by 100.000 Newtons
per square meter per bar of pressure. So basically if the object
is large enough, to dissallow dissipation of said pressure,
it could receive enough counter force to signgificantly slow it down,
before impact, especially when 10 or 100 bar pressure is generated.
100 bar of caught up pressure means you can stack solid steel
on top worth 1 million kg, which corresponds to a 128 meters solid
steel beam from on 1 m3, more than sufficient to reduce the speed
of a falling star destroyer.
And yes, you can survive that with a good seat and belt, since
the first to give way is the ground and the structure of the ship,
as both in conjunction impart deceleration on you, for as long as you're
not directly involved in cushioning that impact.
This also relates directly to size, for a bigger ship allows for less
sudden deceleration, with more crumpling.
This, however is excluded for ships who's structural stability far exceeds
certain specs. They would not crumple during impact, and thus
greatly increase the maximum deceleration value, unless the ground
would make up the difference by giving way more to the undeformable
material..
Please do one for haunted spaceships or alien ghosts.
"litho braking" o yeah... that is when you reach full stop by smashing into a mountain. that 1 slayed me.
Even if you have a printer backups still need to be in place for immediate replacement.
It is funny how with centuries of technological development, Starfleet still hasn't rendered pyrotechnic circuit breakers obsolete.
8:10 Standardized isn't normal ln big ships like the Iowa class Battleships. The four we have has different Floorplans. I don't know about the Liberty Ships. Certainly as they learned over time.
Crash mats (well named), if you knew you were going to crash you could make a crash mat, big sponge, laying down human sandwich.
Love the detailed info of the narrator
Well. In Elite Dangerous, before the advent of FSD. If you crashed and you are stranded on a planet, you're basically effed. That is basically what happened to many stranded ships in the game.
One of the big things I've tried to do with my setting is that instead of just having a dedicated 3D printer, they have a "multi-axis tool motion system." That's a lot of words to say it moves the tool its using around in 3D space. This means that with a decent tool changer and swappable build platforms, it can be a 3D printer, plasma cutter, CNC mill, or PCB printer.
It's a bit out there and sounds like sci-fi handwavium, but these sorts of tools are already in active development for industrial prototyping applications.
20:44 When you love AR carry handles so much that you mount two on each rifle.
i love the word "lithobraking" or, even better "lithobreaking"
I think ST ships break so often there is not really a backup. There is redundancy. Reminds me of a Kerbal RP-1 rocket I made. Middle stage had engine failures every flight and every sim, but it was ok because it had 7 engines in a redundant configuration and the chances that all of them fail before the fuel runs out is very low.
There is one aspect where artificial gravity would be used, based on Babylon 5. A spin gravity ship has to be designed around this, compromising elsewhere in design. If energy isn't a significant issue, AG can let you shape a craft for other aspects.
You have a main component, a back up component, a back up backup component, and then a secret back up that only a small handful of people know about just in case everything else is sabotaged.
How many levels of redundancy would you be comfortable with Arthur? What's the minimum?
I'd say 3. With tools to manufacture new parts.
6000 hulls
Matryoshka world a light year across.
With at least one coffee pot on each shell/ level.
Personally, I would prefer backup replicators safely stashed away, not hooked up to any other system, that could get you back up and running relatively quickly.
I can see a crew making videos going over repairs, talking about problems on the ship, telling stories or even acting out plays. The crew would have years or decades to kill time and it would help future generations, the next 3 ship crews or even just for historical records.
I love that line from O'Brien about the need for a secondary backup.😊
24:00ish, the optical mouse DID replace all other computer mice AND there isn't a subculture dedicated to saying that one of the old ways was better (which is there seemingly always is, in computing).
2:23 Had a smile at "probably".
It would make sense to have a entire section of the ship to carry a construction shop for possible replacement manufacturing, maybe while landing on certain planets, minerals can be mined to supply the materials needed as the diminish for future repairs.
always remember guys to have your emergency roll of ducktape for any space ship repairs
*duct tape
@@sidgar1 both are correct (duck tape is a brand). It also works fairly well on sucking chest wounds if it's an emergency.
28:30
the probability compariso nis usually more a reference to competence
as in it's hard to imagine someone can invent the kind of propulsion needed for practical interstelalr travel but at the same time be incapable of building and pilotign an airplane that cna fly through a desert for afew miles without crashing
A long jurney made me think of how one can recycle enough material. Usual stuff like air and water is simple, but what you do with any mechanical parts that wear (say metal that eventually produces metal dust in lubrication)? Or what to do with clothes, non wearable or once that wear, how to make new clothes from dust wearing made?
For a very very long journey you need either lots of spares are extremely high level of recycling (or a combination). I don't normally think of recycling dust from dead skin or dust from clothes. Both can be biodegradeable and recycled that way of course but that forces you to lot of material choices to make suitably.
We'd all definitely love it to know more about promissory space technology! please make this series!
As for the IC chips and control circuits, I can see general purpose components like Arduino and FPGA getting used as temporary replacements until the real fix arrives. We can keep an inventry of those components and keep re-using them where they are needed.
At some point the ability to make new parts isn't a matter of having the required tools either but the required materials. So not only do you need to have a whole manufacturing component to your ship capable of making literally anything but you'll need to bring stuff for resource gathering as well.
Amazing. I remember when you had just a few thousand subscribers. Your speaking has improved so much
It is my hope that future on-demand fabrication equipment will consist of 3D printers chained together by conveyor belt to CNC, injection molding, and automated sanding (post-processing) machines.
Spoken like a person who has spent a lot of time with close cutting snippers.
@@ColdHawk you know it! Sandpaper too... it would also be cool if a robotic/automatic painting or airbrhsher were attached to that conveyor belt.
26:40
well it depends on shape and on mass/cross section ratio
and bullets, being small have a limited mass/cross section
you try to decrease it oth to reduce drag and increase penetration but then you increase the barel length needed to reach a certain muzzle velocity an dfundamentally, there's only so much mass/cross section ratio that a dense metal a few centimetes in length can reach
a large object will easily reach more
I love Isaac Arthur's videos! They're the best!
The nightmare scenario is when you're in a post science society but you spaceship is built for planned obsolescence.
The majority of today's consumable goods, then. 🤣
@@JariDawnchild exactly!
Yo Isaac! a big thumbs up for the DS9 reference! The Chief was a favorite on the show.
I just want to say kudos for recording your own voiceovers!
Where would we be without that mind of yours, Isaac? If we ever perfect cloning, I'm nominating you to be one of the first. We need more "smarts" in this world! Thank you, Sir.
3:57 I don't remember the episode but Picard was on a civilian shuttle/pod that crashed in a desert (TANGENT if you want more of it because it tastes good then you add another "t" at the end). It had a broken Food Replicator for emergency use.
They actually do this in Star Trek Lower Decks as well. They crash on a desert planet and the replicator only makes black licorice, dry.
The wreckage of what appears to be a possible O'Neal Cylinder is sitting on the ocean floor just off the East coast of Florida.
It is 58+ miles in length. Ten miles in diameter and is comprised of rings that have interlocking features that are themselves a quarter of a mile across. Here are the coordinates.
28°22'21"N 76°01'40"W
I've always found it funny that every episode of Star Trek when something breaks it spits rocks everywhere. As if the starship is made of rocks.
Boats are a better analogue to spaceships than planes or cars, smaller boats tend to carry radios if not going far or backups based on how far from help they will be taken, until they get big enough to carry enough crew that you can have crewmembers that can repair almost anything or get help sent to you.
Mine has an electric motor that can be powered by a generator and drive the propshaft through a belt because it only has a single engine, multiple engines will usually be more useful until you get to the cargo ships with the gigantic single engines, they rely on being able to drift and not be near enough to hit anything until they can be fixed, or, if they ARE near enough to hit things there will generally also be tugs close enough to help them.
To really drive an extraterrestrial civilization insane, all we have to do is send them the Windows Vista source code
really important: 3d printing computer chips. Once we can do this, we're set.
I feel it's only fair to point out there have been historical circumstances where people where justified in debating the existence of foreign nations. That said for such circumstances would only really be relevant if we're amongst the first sophonts to emerge within the relevant areas.
On a space ship, you still have to have spares ready for use if something breaks, and there is no real reason not to have them installed and running since you have to have the mass, either of the spare or the stuff you 3d print it from anyway. So just install it as a 3rd or 12th backup for safety reasons.
_Tommyknockers_ by Stephen King immediately came to mind! (his most poorly written novel, I know, but I love the story) An alien spaceship that crashed on Earth during the last ice age and is now using humans to unearth it. And replacing the dead aliens inside with those humans, using them as living batteries. A broken spaceship using humans in some horrific ways. I wish it could be rewritten, done _right!_ possibly as a graphic novel or tv series.
14:07 out to what distance is a 20 watt signal detectable? 20 watts is not a lot of power, even with a highly-directional antenna and a lot of gain when you're talking about interstellar distances.
Given that Starfleet ships are involved in fairly frequent combat, having secondary backup systems is reasonable.
In a civilization where everything has been standardized for a millennium, we will see the job of designing new things go extinct. The civilization may lose the capability to design anything, becoming a lost skill set.
In that case the civilization may be very powerful on paper, but incapable of reacting to change or emerging threats.
That seems unlikely, just from the standpoint of fashion. Which, to be clear, is not something relegated purely to clothing.
3 is 2, 2 is 1, 1 is none.
My time in aviation (USAF) there was typically 2 redundant sub-systems in a box and two boxes in the main system. This was 60-70s tech.
In 80-90s it was two channels per box, with redundant subsystems in 4 seperate boxes located in different locations.
Another thing they do is put redundant systems on seperate power busses in case you lose one.
The real trip was there were mechanical backups in case all those other backups shit the bed. (The B1-B was 50% mechanical and 50% fly by wire.)
13:58 "If you don't have power, you need to get it."
When Isaac Arthur becomes Vergil