I think intelligence has to do with how consciously aware you are and how you solve problems and of course using logic ..some people even when its infront of them will fly by their head
To be clear, I agree with the assertion that IQ tests do not measure intelligence. However, this video is garbage with regard to explaining with empirical evidence precisely why or how. Rather than giving hard evidence, of how IQ tests do not measure intelligence accurately, they give us a history lesson. The ONLY thing they remotely touch on about *the modern state of the situation* , is that, if you practice the tests, you get a higher IQ, indicating IQ to be merely a measurement of education, rather than intelligence. It would be better, to bring up actual modern IQ tests, and show specifically where they fail to measure intelligence.
@@nosir1479 thats still smarter than me. i get 80 - 115 ranging scores for my iq tests but im highly intelligent. and others call me smart too. so something i knew just wasnt right about these tests
Next level after that is, streamline/automate the processes. Basically, creating the machine that does the work for you while you focus on what's really important to you. I find intelligence is the ability to learn then improve the learning process to make it better, faster and more effective for the next geneations.
Neither of these individuals are psychologists. Gavin Evans is a journalist, and Bonnie Evans is an historian. At :48 she claims IQ is measured between 1 and 100. That is factually incorrect. This video is a poor explanation of what IQ measures. BBC Ideas, you can do better than this.
@@honkpill686 wouldn’t call it a pseudo field and dismiss it But even psychologists themselves don't take these iq tests as some reliable measure of intelligence
When I got an IQ I only scored somewhat above average, yet almost every single person who knows me well tells me I’m highly intelligent. I’ve even been called genius and brilliant numerous times before.
I got 65 on a test with 19 errors, I do it again, same errors but this time with 79. WTF? Every person who knows me can tell that I'm above average, with at least 115 QI, I was called a genius for my imagination.
If people tell you that you are smart - than it probably means you are smart. But the inverse doesn't necessarily hold - people can say you are dumb, but it doesn't necessarily mean you are dumb.
The same thing happens to me, and when I try to challenge people's assessment of me, I get accused of not "believing" in myself. But it's not so much that, it's that I'm safeguarding against the possible assumption of IQ in terms of there definition. When they say I'm "smart", what do they mean exactly?
Watching this in 2024, I have to say the biggest misconception is that IQ tests are worthless. Because the new order is to tell everyone you’re special. That’s not the same as saying we’re all the same. There are people genuinely smarter than other people. IQ tests DO have a purpose. To measure how quickly a person can learn and adapt to new information. If you have an IQ of 85, a job where new information has to be absorbed quickly, would be a constant frustration, and sets you up to fail. Doesn’t mean you CAN’T do the job. But it means you might not be able to do it in a successful way. And that should be known going in. There are other jobs, where an IQ that’s 85 135 change the performance outcome one bit. And neither type of job means anything about who you are as a person. It DOES make a difference in where you will flourish.
The four quotients do not come from heredity. For more details, please watch the sermon of the Light of Wisdom Church, welcome everyone to study and discuss together. Video “Everyone's Framed Structure of Life is Different ｜The Essence Of Happiness And The True Freedom 04” If you think it makes sense, we must not only believe it ourselves, but also spread it to more people. Evangelism is not only the job of pastors, but also the responsibility of every believer. This is also the aspect that the Lord values most when ascending to the kingdom of heaven.
Don't worry. It happens a lot. 😂 The reason, from what I've heard, why these skewed numbers are shown is that they YT algorithm verifies that has the viewer watched the vdo as per the condition which makes A View. If it fulfills that criteria, it is counted as a view and this process takes time.
Interesting video. Many intelligence experts would disagree with some of the views promulgated, though. IQ tests are good at measuring what we generally define as ‘intelligence’: there aren’t multiple intelligences, and different cognitive abilities all correlate with each other. People who do well at verbal reasoning will tend to do well at spatial reasoning, for example. And those same people will tend to perform better at elementary cognitive tasks (ECTs): tests of processing speed, reaction time and inspection time. In other words, a single, general factor of intelligence (g) underlies performance in different cognitive domains. IQ isn’t a perfect measure of g, but it is the best measure we have. And general intelligence has been linked to numerous desirable outcomes: it’s the best predictor of job performance and occupational status/prestige, a very good predictor of educational achievement, and a good predictor of health and longevity. It’s also a mild predictor of income. And general intelligence predicts desirable life outcomes even at the very top of the intelligence distribution, as shown in the Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth, for instance.
You’re wrong. IQ test measure your level of indoctrination to the society that is giving the tests. You are proof of that. No offense. . You realize the first people to have PHDs. Gave themselves those titles ? Intelligence isn’t based on how much you know. Rather what you do with what you have. You don’t have to be intelligent to be a beneficiary of culture
@@dbz_feats7723 If an IQ test can qualitatively measure the various faculties through which we reason, such as mathematical aptitude, verbal affluency, and spatial reasoning (which it can), then yes, it can accurately measure intelligence levels beyond reasonable doubt. Don't get me wrong---IQ examinations cannot perfectly predict one's intelligence---but to say that they're ineffective is a misunderstanding of the literature.
When being assessed for autism, I had to take an IQ test. The questions centered a lot around pattern recognition, verbal skills, and older math skills (some of which I had forgotten, having been graduated for many years from primary school). However, I noticed a stark lack of testing surrounding creativity or adaptability. To be fair, I am not entirely sure when exactly the IQ test ended and when the rest of the screening began, so it is possible that there are tests that I may have conflated. Still, there is nothing that I say could be used to reasonable gauge an extensive profile of what a person's full intellectual capabilities would realistically look like. I am currently majoring in experimental psychology, and ever since high school, I really admired the theories of Robert Sternberg and Howard Gardner, since they offer a far more nuanced perspective on intelligence. Unfortunately with IQ, there are multiple other problems which arise as well. Not only in measuring IQ but in the application. People from different socioeconomic backgrounds or with certain neurological limitations might not be best accurately reflected by an IQ test in comparison to people who come from more privileged backgrounds. But even more individual circumstances could potentially influence the results. When I had my assessment, for example, it was a couple of days after the spring forward in DST, and I was still adapting to a new circadian rhythm. It is possible that I may have performed differently had I taken the test in ST, though I do not even know what my results even were, seeing that I declined to receive them for ethical reasons. Personally, I think it harms a person to know their IQ score, even if they are skeptical of the method. However, aside from the mere measurement of IQ, there is the question of whether or not it *should* be measured. Intellectual and developmental disabilities can be identified without the implementation of IQ. Even if by a similar standardized method, the process of attempting to quantify intelligence into a single number has inevitably led to societies such as MENSA developing exclusive memberships for people who meet thresholds above a certain number. It creates a potential issue where some people in a society are deemed more competent, truly "more intelligent", or more "worthy" than others. Some people will use the concept of, "well you can still be good at other things" to dismiss a person as "stupid" if they score lower in an IQ test, which is toxic and harmful. Yes, they can most certainly be good at other things, but that does not mean that said person does not possess intellectual gifts as well. That said, I appreciate this video. I think it is important to recognize the roots of IQ as something completely independent from intelligence altogether. Sadly, it has become so ingrained into society as being synonymous with intelligence that people use the two interchangeably.
YUP, that's literally every IQ i've seen out there. If you had mad spatial abilities with pattern recognition skills, you will likely perform highly. Whereas if you don't, well.. ya. hence why i DO NOT AGREE with the iq tests that are currently out there. It only serves to the spatial pattern individuals. But of those whom do score high on so called test.. perhaps they're retarded in other areas. Maybe they're not artistic, or they can't handle music ect. For all the so called "genius's", they have their dillemas.
Notably, the X chromosome has long been considered to play a crucial role in the development of the human brain and intelligence. And if you research any *rācę and ìntelligence* studies ⬛️ people are on the bottom 🤦🏿♂️
So this is what people with average to low IQ like to tell themselves...........Ps: it's just a dark joke you don't have to take it seriously....I'm not being serious myself lol 💀
A bit of a sad attempt to pretend that intelligence isn't a great predictor of success and that IQ tests aren't one of the most reproduceable and academically sound parts of psychology. It may sound nicer that everyone is equal and has different strengths and weaknesses but that doesn't change the fact that performance in IQ tests is an excellent predictor of performance in all areas of 'intelligence' people tend to perform similarly across the board like it or not. Some people are just stupid.
@@mrsgolden6526 People can't make significant increases in their ability to take the tests and testing centres generally don't allow material used for practice or for people to take the test less than a year apart
@@alexjames7144 there are people who did train themselves and their scores got better There are mostly similar patterns in these tests, and when someone can memorize these and practice they'll get better
@@alexjames7144 The fact that a simple training can change the score shows that the measurement is not as reliable as people may think. Or it's a proof that intelligence is not inherent.
@@algomez8563 that's because most people don't actively train themselves in it, If many more would get trained in doing them we would see a sudden upwards trend in IQ There are few people who specifically dedicated their free time to getting better at IQ tests as their special hobby That would either mean their IQs actually improved by practicing, which would go against everything IQ supposedly stands for, or that it's highly influenced by training and experience
Sure the IQ test has issues, but most of the complaints are due to the fact people are uncomfortable with human differences and society tends to inflate the problems.
@@NanakiRowan It's a bit complicated and I would have to write a long article to describe it well, but let me give you just three examples: 1. Nothing predicts success in education and work as well as IQ. 2. Adopted children's IQ (even from birth) correlates strongly with their biological parents, but not at all with their adopted ones. 3 The heritability (the genetic component accounting for individual differences in a population) starts at 20% early in life and ends at 80% late in life.
@@rasmuslernevall6938 I'll address your examples, point by point: 1. I don't recall anything in the video saying that IQ doesn't predict success in education or work (if you can provide a timestamp, that'd be great). That said, what you're describing is more of a correlation relationship rather than a causal relationship. Depending on the nature of the work, the best predictor of success in a job is prior education. A person's IQ score is heavily dependent on prior education and exposure to certain things. 2. I don't recall anything in the video saying that individual intelligence is not influenced by personal genetics. I don't recall the video mentioning adoption at all. 3. I think my above statement makes the same point. The video was about how intelligence is distinct from IQ tests and test scores.
My examples were not intended to comment on specific things in the video, but to give examples that point to a very different reality then what is described here. I don't think you are correct about the education thing though. I think education depends on intelligence more than the other way around. I have listened to what the experts say on various podcast where they have been guests and it's clear that IQ trumps all other predictors. For instance, if you are to employ someone, it has been found that just the IQ score is a better for achieving a successful match than an indepth interview. The reality encountered by intelligence researchers were so depressing and sad that when many regular people (and actually academics in particular) refused to accept it. There has been alot of coping since then where people come up with lots of ideas that have little to no basis in science to try to ignore a very unpleasent reality. I think this video is a good example. Some of the things it says may be true, but the important thing is not what it say but what it doesn't say. It doesn't give an even remotely balanced picture of the subject.
@@rasmuslernevall6938 ....but my question to you was what was false in the video......anyway, it has been long established that better access to education, increases IQ scores. I don't know what "experts" you're referring to, but podcasts aren't studies and statistics.... I'm also not sure which intelligence researchers you're referring to, but I haven't seen any credible studies from credible researchers that demonstrate a "depressing and sad" reality concerning human intelligence. Most of what I've seen is intelligence researchers showing the opposite. In that same vein, I've never seen an engineer get hired as an engineer without prior training and education, or getting hired as a result of their IQ test.....can you provide me with an example? Also, what part of the video was false? You didn't answer my question before....
Richard Feynman scored 124 on iq test Yes so he was just above average A guy who literally cracked putnam math prize at short age Tons of people get over that score who wouldn’t be able pursue a physics phd Only dumbasses would even dare to regard it as accurate and think Feynman wasn't that great intellectually U probs got good score on IQ test i presume. How about you take some upper level math and physics classes and lets see how much you understand from General Relativity etc MR accurate
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“Our potential is one thing. What we do with it is quite another.”
― Angela Duckworth
IQ is flawed and so are its tests. Its a myth
It doesn’t even test potential
The tests are rubbish
"The intelligence of an individual is not a fixed quantity"
-Alfred Binet
"It takes years to make an overnight success."
-- Eddie Cantor
solving problems in daily life or real world problem is the hallmark of intelligence
I think intelligence has to do with how consciously aware you are and how you solve problems and of course using logic ..some people even when its infront of them will fly by their head
Finally, some facts. Wish more Americans would find this video.
they have their own continent for a reason.
jews are the ones who scored the lowest and they are the ones kvetching about this. typical
To be clear, I agree with the assertion that IQ tests do not measure intelligence. However, this video is garbage with regard to explaining with empirical evidence precisely why or how. Rather than giving hard evidence, of how IQ tests do not measure intelligence accurately, they give us a history lesson. The ONLY thing they remotely touch on about *the modern state of the situation* , is that, if you practice the tests, you get a higher IQ, indicating IQ to be merely a measurement of education, rather than intelligence.
It would be better, to bring up actual modern IQ tests, and show specifically where they fail to measure intelligence.
ive gotten scores from 104 to 132 (edit since I did more tests)
I have got 139
@@nischayrautela3328 I GOT A 4 YO! BEAT THAT YOU FUCKIN' STUPID!
I went from a range of 140-170 all the way to 116 so obviously, the measures are too linear to make a precise judgement
@@nosir1479 thats still smarter than me. i get 80 - 115 ranging scores for my iq tests but im highly intelligent.
and others call me smart too. so something i knew just wasnt right about these tests
@@jeneusschneider243 80 is basically illiterate and 115 is above average
0:50 "..general intellectual level that could be measured between 1 and 100..."
Is this correct?
Lots of angry Jordan Petterson fanboys in the comment section, lol.
A test means nothing, a person can prove themselves to be intelligent by looking at the way they live their lives
Very simple but important concept...thanks BBC Ideas for this.
Here's the REAL definition of intelligence: can you figure out how to get what you want in life?
But that begs another question, isn't it simply knowledge that allows you to figure it out?
how about how fast and easily can you figure that out?
Next level after that is, streamline/automate the processes. Basically, creating the machine that does the work for you while you focus on what's really important to you. I find intelligence is the ability to learn then improve the learning process to make it better, faster and more effective for the next geneations.
@@NightWear21 very true! But it all plays into the grand scheme of getting what you want in life; like free time, health, family, possessions, etc.
No. But nice try.
Neither of these individuals are psychologists. Gavin Evans is a journalist, and Bonnie Evans is an historian. At :48 she claims IQ is measured between 1 and 100. That is factually incorrect. This video is a poor explanation of what IQ measures. BBC Ideas, you can do better than this.
PSYCHOLOGY IS PSEUDOSCIENCE! I VALUE MORE TO HISTORIANS AND JOURNALISTS THAN KARENS!
@@honkpill686 I tend to listen to individuals who write in all caps. Makes you seem more level headed and intelligent.
@@honkpill686 wouldn’t call it a pseudo field and dismiss it
But even psychologists themselves don't take these iq tests as some reliable measure of intelligence
She misrepresented the concept
But “Grit” is the key to make you successful in the life
You know it’s a good measure when you see a headline like this coming from the BBC.
if you practice IQ test , you IQ will go up.. so so true .
When I got an IQ I only scored somewhat above average, yet almost every single person who knows me well tells me I’m highly intelligent. I’ve even been called genius and brilliant numerous times before.
I got 65 on a test with 19 errors, I do it again, same errors but this time with 79. WTF? Every person who knows me can tell that I'm above average, with at least 115 QI, I was called a genius for my imagination.
@@DanteGabriel-lx9bq I’d listen to what people tell you. An IQ test doesn’t tell you the full story.
@@DanteGabriel-lx9bq same with me everything is about Quality the ugly true of life
If people tell you that you are smart - than it probably means you are smart. But the inverse doesn't necessarily hold - people can say you are dumb, but it doesn't necessarily mean you are dumb.
The same thing happens to me, and when I try to challenge people's assessment of me, I get accused of not "believing" in myself.
But it's not so much that, it's that I'm safeguarding against the possible assumption of IQ in terms of there definition.
When they say I'm "smart", what do they mean exactly?
As usually awesome!
Girl do you believe everything you see on the net?
Mathematics can be applied to anything so you can measure it how to go about that measurement is the real question
-jerry Holbrook 2021
It's an Index accounted in Business, not in Social Life or Political Illusions.
Ashkenazi Jews scored lower, yet they’re one of the most academically successful people in the world…
Watching this in 2024, I have to say the biggest misconception is that IQ tests are worthless. Because the new order is to tell everyone you’re special. That’s not the same as saying we’re all the same. There are people genuinely smarter than other people. IQ tests DO have a purpose. To measure how quickly a person can learn and adapt to new information. If you have an IQ of 85, a job where new information has to be absorbed quickly, would be a constant frustration, and sets you up to fail. Doesn’t mean you CAN’T do the job. But it means you might not be able to do it in a successful way. And that should be known going in. There are other jobs, where an IQ that’s 85 135 change the performance outcome one bit. And neither type of job means anything about who you are as a person. It DOES make a difference in where you will flourish.
The four quotients do not come from heredity. For more details, please watch the sermon of the Light of Wisdom Church, welcome everyone to study and discuss together. Video “Everyone's Framed Structure of Life is Different ｜The Essence Of Happiness And The True Freedom 04”
If you think it makes sense, we must not only believe it ourselves, but also spread it to more people. Evangelism is not only the job of pastors, but also the responsibility of every believer. This is also the aspect that the Lord values most when ascending to the kingdom of heaven.
3 views and 9 likes?
I'm really wondering if youtube faked its IQ test.
Don't worry. It happens a lot. 😂
The reason, from what I've heard, why these skewed numbers are shown is that they YT algorithm verifies that has the viewer watched the vdo as per the condition which makes A View.
If it fulfills that criteria, it is counted as a view and this process takes time.
Appreciated 🙏💖
Liked your comment
They should tie IQ with a subject matter.
aren't sexual abilities and money pocket measure of success in your culture?
Not sexual ability. Just money. There’s a reason why old billionaires that are bad in bed are still considered successful
Interesting video. Many intelligence experts would disagree with some of the views promulgated, though. IQ tests are good at measuring what we generally define as ‘intelligence’: there aren’t multiple intelligences, and different cognitive abilities all correlate with each other. People who do well at verbal reasoning will tend to do well at spatial reasoning, for example. And those same people will tend to perform better at elementary cognitive tasks (ECTs): tests of processing speed, reaction time and inspection time.
In other words, a single, general factor of intelligence (g) underlies performance in different cognitive domains. IQ isn’t a perfect measure of g, but it is the best measure we have. And general intelligence has been linked to numerous desirable outcomes: it’s the best predictor of job performance and occupational status/prestige, a very good predictor of educational achievement, and a good predictor of health and longevity. It’s also a mild predictor of income. And general intelligence predicts desirable life outcomes even at the very top of the intelligence distribution, as shown in the Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth, for instance.
You’re wrong. IQ test measure your level of indoctrination to the society that is giving the tests. You are proof of that. No offense. . You realize the first people to have PHDs. Gave themselves those titles ? Intelligence isn’t based on how much you know. Rather what you do with what you have. You don’t have to be intelligent to be a beneficiary of culture
Dbz_feats Nobody said that IQ is about what you know. It’s about your ability to reason and figure out what to do.
Vidur Kapur then an IQ test can’t possibly measure that.
@@dbz_feats7723 If an IQ test can qualitatively measure the various faculties through which we reason, such as mathematical aptitude, verbal affluency, and spatial reasoning (which it can), then yes, it can accurately measure intelligence levels beyond reasonable doubt. Don't get me wrong---IQ examinations cannot perfectly predict one's intelligence---but to say that they're ineffective is a misunderstanding of the literature.
@@toiletdestroyer875 The assumption to have here is... that .... Dbz_feats has never taken an IQ Test lol.
Where’s Robert Plomin in this video?
Unless I'm playing who wants to be a millionaire don't try to measure my intelligence by asking trivia.
HE LIED. IQ DOESNT GO UP ON PRACTICING THEM TESTS
It does clown if u can keep solving and realise mistakes of the questions
Scores do increase with practice, to some extent. It partially explains the Flynn effect
IQ has a heritability of 80%, yet somehow its not inate in orgin?
0:21 2:29
When being assessed for autism, I had to take an IQ test. The questions centered a lot around pattern recognition, verbal skills, and older math skills (some of which I had forgotten, having been graduated for many years from primary school). However, I noticed a stark lack of testing surrounding creativity or adaptability. To be fair, I am not entirely sure when exactly the IQ test ended and when the rest of the screening began, so it is possible that there are tests that I may have conflated. Still, there is nothing that I say could be used to reasonable gauge an extensive profile of what a person's full intellectual capabilities would realistically look like. I am currently majoring in experimental psychology, and ever since high school, I really admired the theories of Robert Sternberg and Howard Gardner, since they offer a far more nuanced perspective on intelligence. Unfortunately with IQ, there are multiple other problems which arise as well. Not only in measuring IQ but in the application.
People from different socioeconomic backgrounds or with certain neurological limitations might not be best accurately reflected by an IQ test in comparison to people who come from more privileged backgrounds. But even more individual circumstances could potentially influence the results. When I had my assessment, for example, it was a couple of days after the spring forward in DST, and I was still adapting to a new circadian rhythm. It is possible that I may have performed differently had I taken the test in ST, though I do not even know what my results even were, seeing that I declined to receive them for ethical reasons. Personally, I think it harms a person to know their IQ score, even if they are skeptical of the method.
However, aside from the mere measurement of IQ, there is the question of whether or not it *should* be measured. Intellectual and developmental disabilities can be identified without the implementation of IQ. Even if by a similar standardized method, the process of attempting to quantify intelligence into a single number has inevitably led to societies such as MENSA developing exclusive memberships for people who meet thresholds above a certain number. It creates a potential issue where some people in a society are deemed more competent, truly "more intelligent", or more "worthy" than others. Some people will use the concept of, "well you can still be good at other things" to dismiss a person as "stupid" if they score lower in an IQ test, which is toxic and harmful. Yes, they can most certainly be good at other things, but that does not mean that said person does not possess intellectual gifts as well.
That said, I appreciate this video. I think it is important to recognize the roots of IQ as something completely independent from intelligence altogether. Sadly, it has become so ingrained into society as being synonymous with intelligence that people use the two interchangeably.
YUP, that's literally every IQ i've seen out there. If you had mad spatial abilities with pattern recognition skills, you will likely perform highly. Whereas if you don't, well.. ya. hence why i DO NOT AGREE with the iq tests that are currently out there. It only serves to the spatial pattern individuals. But of those whom do score high on so called test.. perhaps they're retarded in other areas. Maybe they're not artistic, or they can't handle music ect. For all the so called "genius's", they have their dillemas.
Notably, the X chromosome has long been considered to play a crucial role in the development of the human brain and intelligence.
And if you research any *rācę and ìntelligence* studies ⬛️ people are on the bottom 🤦🏿♂️
So this is what people with average to low IQ like to tell themselves...........Ps: it's just a dark joke you don't have to take it seriously....I'm not being serious myself lol 💀
everything is opinion and everything else is pointless
Use expert instead of intelligent
I see it as both in a way.
A bit of a sad attempt to pretend that intelligence isn't a great predictor of success and that IQ tests aren't one of the most reproduceable and academically sound parts of psychology.
It may sound nicer that everyone is equal and has different strengths and weaknesses but that doesn't change the fact that performance in IQ tests is an excellent predictor of performance in all areas of 'intelligence' people tend to perform similarly across the board like it or not. Some people are just stupid.
And some people train themselves to get better in those test, so that over time their IQ magically goes up tremendously
@@mrsgolden6526 People can't make significant increases in their ability to take the tests and testing centres generally don't allow material used for practice or for people to take the test less than a year apart
@@alexjames7144 there are people who did train themselves and their scores got better
There are mostly similar patterns in these tests, and when someone can memorize these and practice they'll get better
@@alexjames7144 The fact that a simple training can change the score shows that the measurement is not as reliable as people may think. Or it's a proof that intelligence is not inherent.
IQ testing is not intelligence
This is in part true but in part not. Giftedness is 70% genetic and 30% environmental this are the facts you like it or not!!
Stop confusing me with your facts...
Yeah no kidding
2:43. "Hey Karen, do you think you can control your hostility to The Man well enough to participate in this video?"
"Sure, no problem."
my iq 100
my iq is 104 to 123
Intelligence can be surely measured in several tests. BBC just doesn't want people to feel dumb.
Not really.
@@DanteGabriel-lx9bq Yes just tell yourself that.
That's why so many people are able to train themselves to get better in them
@@mrsgolden6526 To a degree, not in a statistically significant matter specially the newer ones
@@algomez8563 that's because most people don't actively train themselves in it, If many more would get trained in doing them we would see a sudden upwards trend in IQ
There are few people who specifically dedicated their free time to getting better at IQ tests as their special hobby
That would either mean their IQs actually improved by practicing, which would go against everything IQ supposedly stands for, or that it's highly influenced by training and experience
It's statistically almost impossible for ethnic groups to have the same IQ, or any other measure.
@Sephiroth Hojo What's more interesting than the overlap is how much spread there is, like with m v f.
Sure the IQ test has issues, but most of the complaints are due to the fact people are uncomfortable with human differences and society tends to inflate the problems.
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The amount of unscientific nonsense they managed to cram into this short video is astonishing.
Which part was false?
@@NanakiRowan It's a bit complicated and I would have to write a long article to describe it well, but let me give you just three examples:
1. Nothing predicts success in education and work as well as IQ.
2. Adopted children's IQ (even from birth) correlates strongly with their biological parents, but not at all with their adopted ones.
3 The heritability (the genetic component accounting for individual differences in a population) starts at 20% early in life and ends at 80% late in life.
@@rasmuslernevall6938 I'll address your examples, point by point:
1. I don't recall anything in the video saying that IQ doesn't predict success in education or work (if you can provide a timestamp, that'd be great). That said, what you're describing is more of a correlation relationship rather than a causal relationship. Depending on the nature of the work, the best predictor of success in a job is prior education. A person's IQ score is heavily dependent on prior education and exposure to certain things.
2. I don't recall anything in the video saying that individual intelligence is not influenced by personal genetics. I don't recall the video mentioning adoption at all.
3. I think my above statement makes the same point.
The video was about how intelligence is distinct from IQ tests and test scores.
My examples were not intended to comment on specific things in the video, but to give examples that point to a very different reality then what is described here.
I don't think you are correct about the education thing though. I think education depends on intelligence more than the other way around.
I have listened to what the experts say on various podcast where they have been guests and it's clear that IQ trumps all other predictors. For instance, if you are to employ someone, it has been found that just the IQ score is a better for achieving a successful match than an indepth interview.
The reality encountered by intelligence researchers were so depressing and sad that when many regular people (and actually academics in particular) refused to accept it. There has been alot of coping since then where people come up with lots of ideas that have little to no basis in science to try to ignore a very unpleasent reality. I think this video is a good example. Some of the things it says may be true, but the important thing is not what it say but what it doesn't say. It doesn't give an even remotely balanced picture of the subject.
@@rasmuslernevall6938 ....but my question to you was what was false in the video......anyway, it has been long established that better access to education, increases IQ scores. I don't know what "experts" you're referring to, but podcasts aren't studies and statistics....
I'm also not sure which intelligence researchers you're referring to, but I haven't seen any credible studies from credible researchers that demonstrate a "depressing and sad" reality concerning human intelligence. Most of what I've seen is intelligence researchers showing the opposite. In that same vein, I've never seen an engineer get hired as an engineer without prior training and education, or getting hired as a result of their IQ test.....can you provide me with an example?
Also, what part of the video was false? You didn't answer my question before....
That it's horrible
I think it's pretty accurate. Just because some people get offended doesn't mean the test is not accurate haha
It's relatively meaningless. It totally disregards environmental and internal factors affecting cognitive efficiency.
No one is saying an IQ test is not accurate? Have you even watched the video, cause your comment makes 0 sense.
They get offended because they have low impulse control. But to dumb to know it.
That's why when you train yourself in doing them, your IQ magically goes up by 40 points and sometimes even more
Richard Feynman scored 124 on iq test
Yes so he was just above average
A guy who literally cracked putnam math prize at short age
Tons of people get over that score who wouldn’t be able pursue a physics phd
Only dumbasses would even dare to regard it as accurate and think Feynman wasn't that great intellectually
U probs got good score on IQ test i presume. How about you take some upper level math and physics classes and lets see how much you understand from General Relativity etc
MR accurate
The IQ test is accurate enough and tells us all we need to know. And if you don't believe that, go into the real world and you'll see for yourself.
Then it's also accurate that some peoples IQs increase when they train themselves to be better at them, which then would mean IQ is improvable
@@mrsgolden6526 That is definitely true. Some people have no drive to do that though.
@@masonjade7481 but IQ being improvable actually contradicts everything IQ is supposed to stand for, at least the common understanding of it
@@mrsgolden6526 Very true. I don't understand why people don't get this.
IQ testing is not intelligence