IQ tests can have some value in terms of measuring certain skills, but yeah it definitely doesn't tell the whole picture when it comes to measuring someone's intelligence.
The are valuable for illustrating certain cognitive profiles. Different neurodivergent learning differences generate specific profiles. It's actually very interesting.
quite similar to the video from veritaserum but well made nonetheless. In the end, you both just show facts and have a solid research. love to see the refrences. Subscribed :)
Stephen Hawking probably had a high IQ score but given all the limitations he had his mind had to work on a completely different level. I would say Stephen was probably one of the smartest persons that has ever lived. Mr. X
I thought this video would cover the controversies of IQ in more detail, but there doesn't seem to be many points about what might disagreeable about IQ overall. In fact, the video title says "THE Ongoing IQ Controversy", but there does not seem to be any central idea that the title seems to be referring to. Perhaps it would be good to gather more opinions about the downsides of IQ. I was expecting perhaps to be shown why certain IQ subcategories might be lacking, or perhaps what other things we could measure with intelligence, OR simply some form of talk about the morality of measuring intelligence. Perhaps you could use some of these ideas in another video, I'm not sure. But this video does cover some interesting points. Anyway, I remember reading/hearing at some point that IQ only predicts success up to a certain IQ threshold; that is, past a certain point, say 150, high IQ is an unreliable predictor of success. I feel like it could be the case that people with high IQs don't feel as compelled to be financially successful because they might see more value in other aspects of life. Also, shoutouts to Goethe, the author of Faust, for supposedly having an immensely high IQ, perhaps the highest ever [how could one possibly measure that retrospectively though???].
I can say the high IQ struggle is real. I've been told by many would be employers that I'm simply to smart for the job. While they are definitely correct it doesn't make my struggle any less. Keep livn that high IQlyfe4lyfe!!!!
Actually I found the Veritasium video incredibly frustrating. It seems to unknowningly point out how useless IQ tests are: It states that some of the strong correlations is with educational tests that are based on the same kind of questions... and with work positions, that are based on your education... etc. It even pointed out that the further people get from this chain of consequences the more the IQ doesnt correlate anymore. Yet Derek never seems to clearly put 2 and 2 together and realise what hes pointing out here, instead implying these are somehow victories for the concept. Meanwhile it does note how insanely dangerous this nonsense is and how much evil has been done utilising it, not just in history but right up to today. This measure is literally destroying peoples lives and careers right now, while also remaining a foundational argument of growing white nationalist movements, and all without any clearly proven scientific value after over a hundred years of non-stop research. The conclusion of his video? Well, the only reasonable thing to do is sit on the fence about it... I have no issue with the research of intelligence in all its complexity, but this? This damaging, frankly juvenile, single dimensional metric, actively used to judge human worth even now? It should be a shameful embarassment to the field of psychology. (Also, the humble bragging of needlessly taking an IQ test himself and giving his score even as he referred to the same quote this video does at the end, made my eyes roll so hard I nearly strained a muscle.)
The reality is intelligence is like a dozen separate spectrums. IQ at best sorts test one of these dozens forms of intelligence. Also these literally are designs to support eugenics.
IQ scores at the very least correlate with a very real thing. While they shouldn't be used to assign worth to people, they can be a great tool to identify children in need of help. High IQ is often more a disability than a gift!
The only individual embarassing themselfs here is you. IQ is accepted very well in the scientific community and so is its heritability, deal with it. IQ is only bad at predicting the life outcomes of someone on the individual level. When you make an analysis of large groups high IQ correlates very well with success (income, academic achievement, etc).
Loved your video. What makes us fluidly intelligent (and does fluid intelligence give rise to general intelligence), and could you discuss falsifying data more?
I mean they certainly measure something. I think if you interviewed everyone who scored about 130 and above you'd find very few people who struck you as completely unintelligent. I think a lot of the questions regarding IQ is because it coldly and blatantly tells us that some of us have high scores, and some low. With something like that it's completely natural there'd be controversy and the actual raw data from IQ tests as a whole is in itself and IQ test, in how you interpret and respond to it. Cheers.
There are some issues with this video, simply due to not mentioning many factors that impact IQ scores, such as ableism, racial bias during testing, stress, wealth, environmental factors, etc. One vital thing would be to discuss IQ when testing neurodiversity. It is well documented that modern IQ tests are inadaquate at best when determining the IQ of people with Autism or ADHD, often making people with those neurodiversities seem "dumber" than they really are. One aspect of the "reverse flynn effect" can easily be determined by aspects such as stress. We are in unprecidented times when it comes to a global pandemic, climate change, economic turmoil, etc. That level if stress and demotivation can cause a drastic decline in IQ scores.
There is no racial bias during IQ tests. That is a cope enviromentalists made up to justify the black white gap, nothing more. No one said IQ tests are perfect. Neurodivergent individuals can be mismeasured but that doesn't matter much. Most people are not autists.
@@dinsel9691 give someone time and resources and see what they do, intelligence itself is poorly understood and when I took a real IQ test I didn't feel very tested, more like an arbitrary method to assume a correlation with intelligence but I don't think it was nearly thorough enough, it doesn't allow for specialization nor cover all areas in which intelligence can be expressed. It is what it says on the tin, but it promises more than it can provide, it's a cumulative score being associated with intellect, but how much weight do you put on each thing you test? Is it an assumption that the average reflects their scores? You can have scenarios where someone score really high in one area, and really low in another, and that's the same as scoring normally all around. I don't think you can compress that to a single number without losing the intent of it.
To an extent, yes. However, you can literally say that about any test that is testing your competency level in any field. Taking the MCAT test to become a doctor measures how good you are at taking the MCAT test, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that grades on that test don’t reflect the competency of the individual being tested who is about to become a doctor, unless I’m missing something completely.
Have a conversation with an expert in a field you don't know for an hour about it and nothing else. Have the expert rate their experience. If you are intelligent it will a lot more pleasant for them. @@dinsel9691
Teste de QI não passa de besteirol, tem tanta coisa relativa nisso que não é dificil classificar um gênio hoje como uma besta quadrada amanhã, esta mais para coisas como astrologia e por ai vai.
iq tests gauge your ability to efficiently detect patterns. the faster you can accurately detect patterns, the higher your intelligence. this is because pattern detection is link with problem-solving
No,no,no!! High i.q. does not dictate success in work or business!! COMMON SENSE HAS A GREATER FACTOR IN SUCCESS❗️MY FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE OF KNOWING FRIENDS WITH HIGH INTELLIGENCE DEPICTS THIS❗️THE SMARTEST KID IN HIGH SCHOOL ENDED UP SELLING BOOKS DOOR TO DOOR WHEN KIDS WITH ONLY ABOVE AVERAGE i.q. OWNED THEIR OWN BUSINESSES❗️
kids with average iq ends up owning businesses because they are more willing to take risk. risk that those with higher IQ aren't willing to take...because why? the chance of failing is so much higher. this means the average kid did not succeed through merits, but luck. also i am having a very hard time believing that someone with high IQ is selling books after high school. iq = efficient pattern detection = problem solving. there is no way in hell someone with a high IQ is stuck selling books. you probably thought he had a high IQ because he had good grades or he was quiet and you saw him read a bunch of books.
Did he take an IQ test? Even if he was not interested in those afformebtioned subjects that doesn't necessarily imply that he would have been terrible at those subjects had he cared about them.
brb just have to do an IQ test on Facebook
IQ tests can have some value in terms of measuring certain skills, but yeah it definitely doesn't tell the whole picture when it comes to measuring someone's intelligence.
What's intelligence?
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_This_ man... *_he_* gets it!
The are valuable for illustrating certain cognitive profiles. Different neurodivergent learning differences generate specific profiles. It's actually very interesting.
I had an IQ of 143 at 16 years old, had an IQ of 131 at 10 years old, both psychologically tested, and I still feel stupid.
quite similar to the video from veritaserum but well made nonetheless. In the end, you both just show facts and have a solid research. love to see the refrences. Subscribed :)
So happy for you Clemens! I remember when your channel only had a few hundred subs. You have come so far, congrats!
Wow, I just saw that you've commented on one of my first videos some years ago - thanks for sticking around! :)
I see you and Veritasium have seen the algorithm favour content on IQ these days and therefore jumped on the bandwagon.
Stephen Hawking probably had a high IQ score but given all the limitations he had his mind had to work on a completely different level. I would say Stephen was probably one of the smartest persons that has ever lived. Mr. X
I thought this video would cover the controversies of IQ in more detail, but there doesn't seem to be many points about what might disagreeable about IQ overall. In fact, the video title says "THE Ongoing IQ Controversy", but there does not seem to be any central idea that the title seems to be referring to. Perhaps it would be good to gather more opinions about the downsides of IQ. I was expecting perhaps to be shown why certain IQ subcategories might be lacking, or perhaps what other things we could measure with intelligence, OR simply some form of talk about the morality of measuring intelligence. Perhaps you could use some of these ideas in another video, I'm not sure. But this video does cover some interesting points.
Anyway, I remember reading/hearing at some point that IQ only predicts success up to a certain IQ threshold; that is, past a certain point, say 150, high IQ is an unreliable predictor of success. I feel like it could be the case that people with high IQs don't feel as compelled to be financially successful because they might see more value in other aspects of life.
Also, shoutouts to Goethe, the author of Faust, for supposedly having an immensely high IQ, perhaps the highest ever [how could one possibly measure that retrospectively though???].
I can say the high IQ struggle is real. I've been told by many would be employers that I'm simply to smart for the job. While they are definitely correct it doesn't make my struggle any less. Keep livn that high IQlyfe4lyfe!!!!
Eugenics was never eliminated, the eu was removed, and today the field is called genetics.
This was dumb on multiple levels
7:37 Oh yeah!? But do they know about Alden's number!?
Actually I found the Veritasium video incredibly frustrating. It seems to unknowningly point out how useless IQ tests are: It states that some of the strong correlations is with educational tests that are based on the same kind of questions... and with work positions, that are based on your education... etc. It even pointed out that the further people get from this chain of consequences the more the IQ doesnt correlate anymore. Yet Derek never seems to clearly put 2 and 2 together and realise what hes pointing out here, instead implying these are somehow victories for the concept.
Meanwhile it does note how insanely dangerous this nonsense is and how much evil has been done utilising it, not just in history but right up to today. This measure is literally destroying peoples lives and careers right now, while also remaining a foundational argument of growing white nationalist movements, and all without any clearly proven scientific value after over a hundred years of non-stop research. The conclusion of his video? Well, the only reasonable thing to do is sit on the fence about it...
I have no issue with the research of intelligence in all its complexity, but this? This damaging, frankly juvenile, single dimensional metric, actively used to judge human worth even now? It should be a shameful embarassment to the field of psychology.
(Also, the humble bragging of needlessly taking an IQ test himself and giving his score even as he referred to the same quote this video does at the end, made my eyes roll so hard I nearly strained a muscle.)
The reality is intelligence is like a dozen separate spectrums.
IQ at best sorts test one of these dozens forms of intelligence.
Also these literally are designs to support eugenics.
Well said
Anyone who talks about "how evil an IQ test" is, should be flushed down the toilet
IQ scores at the very least correlate with a very real thing. While they shouldn't be used to assign worth to people, they can be a great tool to identify children in need of help. High IQ is often more a disability than a gift!
The only individual embarassing themselfs here is you. IQ is accepted very well in the scientific community and so is its heritability, deal with it.
IQ is only bad at predicting the life outcomes of someone on the individual level. When you make an analysis of large groups high IQ correlates very well with success (income, academic achievement, etc).
Loved your video. What makes us fluidly intelligent (and does fluid intelligence give rise to general intelligence), and could you discuss falsifying data more?
what is the point of intelligence if we make emotional decisions anyways? and always the wrong emotions in the moment.
A video on intelligence sounds good and oh yeah you are so cool and popular
Awh yeah, using insider information.
Thanks man I now feel cool and popular
Standard IQ tests really focus on left brain activities...
The word genius is over used and misused too.
I mean they certainly measure something. I think if you interviewed everyone who scored about 130 and above you'd find very few people who struck you as completely unintelligent. I think a lot of the questions regarding IQ is because it coldly and blatantly tells us that some of us have high scores, and some low. With something like that it's completely natural there'd be controversy and the actual raw data from IQ tests as a whole is in itself and IQ test, in how you interpret and respond to it. Cheers.
It's only "controversial" because certain people do not want to admit that there are very clear differences between ethnic groups.
What is the current average IQ & SD for racial groups in the USA? What is the source?
Well you can't say anything for sure until you account for the environmental factors.
Edit: grammar
@@bureaffari3694 please proofread what you just wrote.
@@hammockcamping2500 thanks
@bureaffari3694 IQ can still be measured... even if you don't account for environmental factors.
this the dude from minutephysics?
education and intelligence are not the same thing, i know plenty of highly educated people who are incredibly stupid
There are some issues with this video, simply due to not mentioning many factors that impact IQ scores, such as ableism, racial bias during testing, stress, wealth, environmental factors, etc.
One vital thing would be to discuss IQ when testing neurodiversity. It is well documented that modern IQ tests are inadaquate at best when determining the IQ of people with Autism or ADHD, often making people with those neurodiversities seem "dumber" than they really are.
One aspect of the "reverse flynn effect" can easily be determined by aspects such as stress. We are in unprecidented times when it comes to a global pandemic, climate change, economic turmoil, etc. That level if stress and demotivation can cause a drastic decline in IQ scores.
wow, if anyone needs to read more books and consume less propaganda it would be you.
There is no racial bias during IQ tests. That is a cope enviromentalists made up to justify the black white gap, nothing more.
No one said IQ tests are perfect. Neurodivergent individuals can be mismeasured but that doesn't matter much. Most people are not autists.
IQ tests don't measure your intelligence, they measure how good you are at an IQ test.
@@salama71692 The sequence of numbers was 5, 8, 7, 4, and 1.
No shit, and what tool measures intelligence better than an IQ test?
@@dinsel9691 give someone time and resources and see what they do, intelligence itself is poorly understood and when I took a real IQ test I didn't feel very tested, more like an arbitrary method to assume a correlation with intelligence but I don't think it was nearly thorough enough, it doesn't allow for specialization nor cover all areas in which intelligence can be expressed. It is what it says on the tin, but it promises more than it can provide, it's a cumulative score being associated with intellect, but how much weight do you put on each thing you test? Is it an assumption that the average reflects their scores? You can have scenarios where someone score really high in one area, and really low in another, and that's the same as scoring normally all around. I don't think you can compress that to a single number without losing the intent of it.
To an extent, yes. However, you can literally say that about any test that is testing your competency level in any field. Taking the MCAT test to become a doctor measures how good you are at taking the MCAT test, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that grades on that test don’t reflect the competency of the individual being tested who is about to become a doctor, unless I’m missing something completely.
Have a conversation with an expert in a field you don't know for an hour about it and nothing else.
Have the expert rate their experience.
If you are intelligent it will a lot more pleasant for them.
@@dinsel9691
My IQ is 167 done by professionals at fucking Hospital
Now realize the self...
Teste de QI não passa de besteirol, tem tanta coisa relativa nisso que não é dificil classificar um gênio hoje como uma besta quadrada amanhã, esta mais para coisas como astrologia e por ai vai.
iq tests gauge your ability to efficiently detect patterns. the faster you can accurately detect patterns, the higher your intelligence. this is because pattern detection is link with problem-solving
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Sciencerely doesn't give out medals.
No,no,no!!
High i.q. does not dictate success in work or business!! COMMON SENSE HAS A GREATER FACTOR IN SUCCESS❗️MY FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE OF KNOWING FRIENDS WITH HIGH INTELLIGENCE DEPICTS THIS❗️THE SMARTEST KID IN HIGH SCHOOL ENDED UP SELLING BOOKS DOOR TO DOOR WHEN KIDS WITH ONLY ABOVE AVERAGE i.q. OWNED THEIR OWN BUSINESSES❗️
Common sense is even less quantifiable than intelligence
kids with average iq ends up owning businesses because they are more willing to take risk. risk that those with higher IQ aren't willing to take...because why? the chance of failing is so much higher. this means the average kid did not succeed through merits, but luck. also i am having a very hard time believing that someone with high IQ is selling books after high school. iq = efficient pattern detection = problem solving. there is no way in hell someone with a high IQ is stuck selling books. you probably thought he had a high IQ because he had good grades or he was quiet and you saw him read a bunch of books.
"High i.q. does not dictate success in work or business!!"
IQ is positively correlated with success (though not 100% correlated).
It place a part@@dinsel9691 .
They both do
Picasso was really a genius, but he was not into advanced mathematics or engineering....
Everything he did just came naturally...
Did he take an IQ test? Even if he was not interested in those afformebtioned subjects that doesn't necessarily imply that he would have been terrible at those subjects had he cared about them.
genuine doctors I saw Dr Pius Ozigbe I was H S V 1/2 c u r e d the native medicine was fantastic.