Still using my Fischer mama bear 35 years . Bought it used , has kept me warm for many VT winters. It's lined w/ firebrick easily replaced. Paid $250 for it in 1985
Removed a section in my camper where the entertainment area is and installed. Works great. Instead of propane furnace heat, I can use this th-cam.com/users/postUgkxATHBlMJwipGgVWseuAFKvDQ_5R4_lywo to heat the camper as long as it's hooked up to shore power. Only thing I do not like is there does not seem to be a thermostat. I'm presuming it has a built-in one so it does not overheat. Really like all the other color options it has to offer.
Trevor, Colorado Springs here. One other thing to point out between cat vs non-cat is that a non cat will give you beautiful flames to watch vs cat stoves typically will have less flames when the cat is active. So be sure to weigh that into your decision when choosing a stove. Great job on the video
We have a. Steel wood fired range with back boiler, it heats 9 1.5mtr double radiators which get almost to hot to touch, we have a heat sink radiator in the cellar, to stop it getting too hot, very happy with it for last 10 years, an anti corrosive fluide is essential, just add it to the header tank
One con to cast iron is it cracking. We had an old 'Ben Franklin' stove years ago and with the first firing of it one of the panels cracked - when it did, it sounded like a rifle shot! You need to 'break in' a cast iron stove with progressively hotter fires.
@@embersliving I had a store selling cast iron wood stoves. The biggest problem with cracking was people installing the bolts too tight thus not allowing the iron panels find their place, so to speak. What I would do and recommend my customers to do when assembling a stove was assemble a panel loosely, ad the stove cement, and just snug the bolts, after it was completely assembled go back and snug each bolt then back it off 1/8 turn. The next day when the cement had set, build a SMALL fire in it for 1 hour or less than let it go out than build a slightly larger fire and let it go out and cool down than do a final check of the bolt tightness (just snug) and you good to go. I doubt if any of my customers actually followed all that so I tried to pre-assemble them before letting them leave the shop. Almost all panel cracks are due to too-tight bolts not allowing the iron to expand and contract through the burning cycle.
Good morning I just wanted to know how hot can I get this wood-burning stove, I know the inside of the stove will be 800 and the surface temperature will be 700 with no signs of over firing. The stove does not turn red or growing red is these temperatures okay ? The flue is 450
@@embersliving i believe my uncle severely over fired it trying to heat to big of a space. Filled the gaps with stove cement and it's been working very well. Probably not the safest, as I think this will be it's last season
I believe the firebricks in the steel stove needs to be replaced over time. That's a definite con for steel then isn't it? Does the cast iron stove have a consumable part as well? (Besides the fuel obviously) Lucien from Caoe Town
What kind stove would you recommend for a one story ranch house, one you can cook on if power goes out? We have electric, but we have been thinking of getting a wood stove for when the power goes out
I have a vented fireplace that vents through the attic. My chimney has flown off twice and im about to get my roof replaced, thanks Ida. I want to do away with the chimney.... what are my options. I'm getting a new roof next week so I need to make a quick decision. I do have a gas outlet at my fireplace.
A stove can't do both, it can't retain heat and be hotter at the same time. A steel stove releases more heat in a burn cycle than a cast iron stove. Steel transmits heat faster than cast iron. One of the major things you did not say about cast is that it can crack. Steel cannot crack. It can warp and deform but it cannot crack. Cast Iron can not warp or deform unless it cracks. They are fixable when they crack, but then the stove is no longer square.
Too bad no one I've heard of makes a stove like the Orley's of the 80s. Made from 16" Dia. pipe. No bricks (insulators) to keep corners from splitting. After 6 years, I brushed my 22' flue out & got 1/8 cup of tan dust. Would an EPA approved stove burn that clean? No.
I welded a very old “separating” cast iron stove seam. I used preheat and nickel-rod to seal up a cracking seam. The stove still works to this day and 8 years after the repair.
its easy to weld iron.. ive welded it with a flux core from harbor freight.. specially cracks.. if you drill the cracks out at the end the cracks wont spread when you weld.. ive welded a few busted cast iron water spickets on my farm and other things
I find your videos so interesting as I work in the premium end of the UK market. Here we almost exclusively use steel stove at the top end and cast iron is the bargain basement! You are so right about cast iron stoves releasing the heat more slowly due to thermal mass- we try and remind people that there is often the same efficency- iron is slower to start heating the room but will still be releasing the heat you paid for after you have gone to bed! That said the mass of the iron stove acts as a thermal flywheel over the burn cycle. PureVision stoves in the UK get the best of everything- Steel stoves for total airtightness, cast iron doors- free from stress and gives a huge variety of style options, but to make the steel stove gain some of the advantages of the iron stove they fit refactory porcelian liners to give it thermal mass and much greater longevity than vemiculite used on cheaper stove. One point you did not metion is steel gives the option to fit convector boxes into the stove to move the heat from the stove right round the room, but is of course by no means standard. Keep up the good work, I love to see shops helping customers to make educated choices!
We still like our steel stoves! That's so cool we have fans from over the pond! I'll check out the PureVision stoves. thanks for watching! Stay tuned we have some more burn season stove videos coming out in the next few weeks!
I want an Esse cook stove based on how they look. Looks can be deceiving though. Do you have any experience with them? There aren’t any dealers near me so going to look and then not buying one would be a lot of wasted money.
I had a store selling woodstoves in Western WV back in the '70s. I carried one of the best models of the day and the ones most others later copied, the Norwegian Jotul. They introduced to the US the efficiency of an air-tight stove with a baffle and secondary burning. Unfortunately for me, they were too pricy for my market. I still heat my house with the Jotul #4 combi-fire 43 years later and it is still in excellent condition, I haven't even needed to replace the door gasket. One Pro for cast iron stoves you didn't mention that Jotul utilized is the dimpled outer surface, my #4 has it and they claimed the dimples added something like 25% more surface area thus giving you 25% more radiated heat, you can't really do that with steel. That said, I have an old brick-lined steel stove in my shop that does a fine job! Thank you for your informative video, and Happy New Year!
We bought a 30yo Vermont Castings with catalyst...after pulling the entire stove apart and rebuilding/resealing, the thing works like it is brand spanking new....we burn as much as 3-4 cords of wood every year continuously for 4 months straight and have been using the rebuilt stove for 10 years in a row with zero issues
Had a Vermont Castings multifuel stove, now run a steel woodburner. The problem I had with the Vermont was the firebars in the rocking grate. They'd distort to the point they had to be replaced regularly, mostly due to bubbles in the castings. Now have a welded steel 7Kw woodburner, with tile side panels, and am much happier with it. Replace the firebricks ~every 5 years, and that's it. Heats the house to +27C when it's -25C outside, with no effort. Sure, it doesn't have the mass and thermal inertia of the Vermont, but it's reliable and understandable. With that I mean you can get used to its quirks and work with it. It becomes a member of the family and needs to be treated with respect!
While my comment doesn't apply to this video, a massive stone or masonry heater is what much of the Scandinavia and other cold regions have used for centuries. Instead of feeding a wood stove every couple of hours, a masonry heater gets a fast hot fire and then radiates heat for the rest of the day. 😊
Glad you mentioned the warping of steel stoves, it happens more often in the baffles, doors and other components more so than the firebox. It's not that uncommon in my experience.
I'll tell you what I got a soapstone woodstove. I've had it over 20 years absolutely no problems with it and a nice spot is it puts out heat after the fire is out after the fire is out just putting the third option out there soapstone is the way to go for me.
Cast iron for me all day everyday.The thing is it stays warm long before you go to bed,steel cools down way to fast and if it's heat dispersion just get a fan.Now that being said, Morso stoves have a special grade cast iron, which in my mind makes them a superior cast iron stove.
Built my woodstove over 35 years ago from a transformer like you see on telephone poles. Cost me less than $50 with kit, fire brick and steel works great. With a seilling fan it heats my whole house....$50 dollars.
Steel can be repaired much easier. I didn't say Cast iron couldn't be welded, but Steel is much easier. Second I don't buy this idea that steel doesn't get as hot, what does that mean? Are you saying they conduct heat better and thus the temp stays lower which actually means they heat better? If you are talking about thermal mass and staying hot longer after the fire dies down, then I think the fire brick inside has more effect than the metal its made of. I suppose if cast doesn't conduct heat as well then the temp inside the fire box would get hotter, but thats a bad thing because that means its going up the chimney.
I've lived in the same house in New England for over 30 years and have used VC Encore as the primary source of heat using at least 6-7 cords/ year and only burning dry hardwood. I get about 10 years from each stove and have used 2 with catalytic and one without. Over time, each stove will start to be less air tight and be more difficult to control the rate of burn and the cast damper outlet and flapper will warp and not seal well. The refractory pieces (non cast iron) will severely deteriorate and begin to fall apart gradually to complete failure. A rebuild "kit" is available with just the parts that I need for about $1000. The catalytic lasts about 3 years each and yesterday, I paid over $350 for a new one to replace the 3 yr. old one. Doing the math, the stove is now about $3000/ 10 years is $300/ year. The cat is $350/3 years is about $120/ year. So to have this stove costs me about $420/ year. I think that it's time to try another brand.
Jim Fiorentino I am in NE also with a VC Resolute Acclaim and have rebuilt it twice in 14 years. Top of firebox repeatedly warped. I don't overfire it and burn about 5 cords per winter. I am with you on seeking out another brand. I am coming up on having to rebuild it a third time and don't really want to. I grew up with VC in my parent's house but am not impressed with the one I bought for myself. Not the same quality at all.
@@katiejon17 Not sure yet. Considering Pacific Energy Super LE or a Regency F2450. I will get through one more winter with the VC Resolute Acclaim and decide in the spring.
@@jimfreeman8991 we are clueless because we’ve never had one in our home (an old one in our camp though). We’re looking at Harman’s. Our living space is all open concept (bedrooms and bath right off the living/kitchen space) - it’s maybe 1,000-1,2000 sqft. Hoping to keep it warm, but not blast us out of the space!
I've had a VC cast iron stove for 20 years in a weekend cabin. Once you get it going, it performs well, but it is true that when you get up there on a cold night it takes a while to get things warm. I view running it in three stages (1) establish the fire, (2) heat up the stove much like preheating an oven, and (3) close the bypass damper and heat the house. The stove doesn't care that you want heat immediately, it takes about a half hour or so before it is putting out significant heat. But once it gets ripping it runs great and it does throw off a very nice, even heat that makes it very easy to regulate the temperature once you know what you are doing.
Here in the UK I went with steel due to the quick warm up time and zero joints other than the door. Its a multi fuel Clear View and as its not our main heat source its enough at just 3.5kw
When I was young our family had a coal/wood furnace and a cast iron cookstove. Occasionally they’d burn coal in the cookstove. I doubt she needed coal for cooking but it may have been to supplement the furnace heat in that part of the house. I don’t know if a steel stove could’ve handled the temperatures.
Cast iron is just marketing..cast iron does not retain more heat than steel as soon as we talk about same thickness and also cast iron is brittle whereas steel is not
My steel Arctic Flame has ran 24/7 ,8 months a year,for 25 years with only one gasket change.I run 5 cords a year,so it just sips the wood too.Red alder and Western maple are my favorite fuels.
The salesman hasn’t really the experience to just brochure knowledge. I’ve had 3 Vermont castings Defiant Encore, I really loved them but it’s old technology. Cast iron dose not like fast heating and cooling, inner cast iron plates fractures, crack & fall apart. VC need to be heated slowly and kept at a relatively constant temperature for a longer cast plate life. I’ve had the same welded steel County Hearth stove for 25yrs and changed the fire bricks 🧱and door gasket once.
You left out how the Cast Iron stoves if they get to hot the coating/paint will start popping and chip off. For the steel stove it is pretty easy to get the stove way to hot I have seen many stoves glow in the dark because the fire was to hot. I have been burning wood all my life and most of the people I know burn so I have seen a lot.
I had a Vermont I used about five years. I loved the stove but it warped to the point the gaskets wouldn't work the parts were very expensive. I bought a blaze king catalytic and havnt had any problems other than the catalytic converter. I live in northern Canada so need to put around five cords through it each winter.
My cast iron stoves are over 120 years old. I did refurbish them by replacing the firebricks and seals but they are still as good as new and absolutely beautiful. Give me cast iron any day!
Do you sell many wood burners that are epa exempt? I dont recall a video on it, i have a napoleon nz6000 largest firebox in the industry and i think maybe the best looking, but not the most efficient. But gets around epa because of the amount of air it uses.
Would it be bad if you put a cast iron griddle plate on top of a steel stove, so that you can cook on it. Or, might that somehow damage the steel stove? Thank you man
Masonry .. Con : takes time before any heat reaches the room. Pro : few tons of red brick has a lot of thermal mass .. when it's hot it stays hot for long time. Few hours intense burn and you'r good for day or more .. depending on weather and insulation of house. And you can make best stew or pulled pork in it at the end of burn .. that smoky flavor ;)
You forgot to mention that the top plate on the cast iron stove can crack, I have had three cast iron stoves and all three eventually developed a hair line crack.
What’s your thoughts on the two combined like steel box with cast iron plates? I have the Jotul F45 Greenville which incorporates this unique technology.
They make wood stove paint in all colors that you can paint a steel stove with. And EPA are junk. Also, as far as cast getting hotter? My two steel stoves reach 700 degrees when fired up. Cast must get a lot hotter. And that’s hot!
My 1st car was a 1972 Buick with a cast iron block 350. The car rusted out quick but that cast iron engine is still running today being used to pump water onto cranberry bogs. Great point about steel being better to heat large areas & cast iron being panels with gaskets. Having learned this I'd lean towards steel stoves 99% of the time. My pellet stove is steel & it cranks out the heat keeping my 2000 sq-ft of living space 75 degrees all winter.
Steel wood stove could be made better if you build them in the shape of a mailbox out of at least a half inch thick plate steel and also reinforce the interior of the stove and then encase in a 16 inches of of concrete in the shape of the stove and have at least 1 foot off the ground with a total height of 5 and a half feet tall by 3 and a half wide by 4 and a half feet deep the stove itself measurement is 2 feet wide by 3 feet tall feet deep in the shape of a mailbox and only have the front of the stove is not encased in concrete so you can add in firewood the concrete acts like a radiator absorbing heat then radiating it out once the fire has started to burn down so even if the fire dies out you can still have heat for a few more hours the concrete does the same thing that brick walls do when exposed to direct sunlight for about 6 to 7 hours during the summer the brick wall still radiates heat for up to three hours after the sun has gone down and have it encased in concrete you could also have copper pipes embedded in the concrete ti heat up water/antifreeze that could be used to heat the floor or run into a vehicle radiator with a fan blowing air through it to speed up the heating of a large room.
i would never get a steel stove.. steel rusts badly.. cast iron doesnt rust as bad.. cast iron is also stronger than steel, and cast iron with high carbon retains heat better...
If you want to see a good stove you have to visit Switzerland, Bavaria, Austria, Hungay. I mean a Kachelofen. They are made of stone and use less wood. Here in Hungary we have stoves you can cook on. They call it a sparhelt or something like that. I prefer european gear from Scandia and central Europe.
lots of people say this. We actually get a lot of people from the mountains buying stoves. Thanks for watching! We're in the westminster area if you ever want to drop by
I've been heating (don't use the boiler except for hot water) with a Vermont Castings Defiant Encore for 30 years in northwest CT, 1500 sq ft house and I burn 3 1/4 to 3 1/2 cord of wood. I have 12' ceilings in an open floor plan with 2 ceiling fans and 50% of the south wall is glass. Let me tell you cast iron does warp but I heard that steel doesn't. It isn't air tight but still functions well. The beauty of cast iron is so much more appealing to me than the modern look of steel stoves but that is personal preference. The one bad thing about this stove is the door that closes and forces the smoke over the cat which disintegrated 25 years ago. That linkage sometimes binds and I have to use a poker to push the door to open and I suspect it is wear in the linkage or warping. It doesn't happen often but I'm concerned I'll break something, you wouldn't have that problem with steel.
We had the VA porcelain coated stove that you are sitting next to in a rental we owned. The Renter pulled the door gaskets because they had failed and decided they didn't need to be there and was to lazy to call me to fix it. She used it anyway and it sucked air and got way too hot and cracked the stove top and ruined the cat. converter. the parts to repair that thing were going to be much more than most Steel stoves cost. So we put it on Craigs list and sold it for parts and bought another (steel) stove and got a new Renter. Not as pretty, but much more durable and cheaper and used way less gaskets and way more user friendly than the Vermont is. Those VA Defiant stoves cost as much as our Kitchen Queen 480 cook stove did at the time with all the extras. It's cast iron folks, not Gold Plated. NOPE.
Some good info, . A lot of good constructive comments here for once. My wife and I rented a fishing cabin once with a cheap thin steel stove. As cheap and thin as it was, could it ever put out the heat and very quickly as well.
Good review I noticed the extension to the flue is on top of all of these stoves. I want to put a free standing stove into my fireplace so that I don't need electricity like I do with my Osburn insert (great stove by the way). My parents had a steal stove that the flu connected to the back of the stove. Do these still exist? This way I can just run the pipe in the fireplace and up the flue.
There are some that still exist like that i cant think of the names right now. We sell Vermont Casting that have a reversable sleeve so you can get different piping to install how you want.
@@embersliving Thank you! My wife doesn't want a ugly black steel one 😆🤣 so it's the compromise with the V.C stove... I will probably go with the red as she calls it pretty.... I'm all about the heat.
I have a 35 year old Earth stove. We go through 4-6 cords a year. Very good home heater. Replaced the bricks twice and gaskets, and had to straighten out the bent door. Much better at heating than the newer stoves.
Thanks. Tremendous heat from it. My concern at this time is the government will outlaw coal and wood burners on the bullshit pretext of climate change, thus making us all dependent on gas and electricity to heat our homes. Burners are freedom!
In Uk I dont think there are many cast iron stoves left on the market. They have to be costlier to produce vs laser cut steel. My parents had one and it cracked so thats a huge risk, so I think they are a bit obsolete here.
I've heard nothing but good regarding woodstock soapstone stoves. Both in quality and customer service, and I've never heard anyone complain about their cast cracking.
I installed my steel wood stove in 1987 and many thousands of fires have provided most of the heat ever since. I'm a firebug! I have had the side of the stove crack, decades ago, no doubt due to overfiring. I've had some of the steel parts on one of the sides of the front of the stove warp, likely again due to overfiring. I'm planning to pull the stove out and remove the heat shield and to weld on a patch to seal up the box again. I'll inspect the warped part and may just remove it. I've only replaced the stove brick once, about five years ago. I've repainted the stove and stove pipe with high temperature stove paint, which works like a champ, but isn't a brilliant shine. I'll repaint again when I disassemble the stove this summer for maintenance. The air flow into the stove seems to have gotten weak in recent years ---I'm guessing that the air passages are plugged with dust being drawn into the stove. Again, when I disassemble the strove this summer I'll aim to inspect and clean those passages. When I've tried to do that in the past, I don't recall a way to get access to those passages, but I'm guessing I was not determined enough. When I'm initially firing the stove, the air supply to the fire is weak, which is why I suppose those air passages need cleaning. When the stove is hot, it get plenty of air. In short, I've been happy with decades of experience with my stove.
Still using my Fischer mama bear 35 years . Bought it used , has kept me warm for many VT winters. It's lined w/ firebrick easily replaced. Paid $250 for it in 1985
Awesome!
Removed a section in my camper where the entertainment area is and installed. Works great. Instead of propane furnace heat, I can use this th-cam.com/users/postUgkxATHBlMJwipGgVWseuAFKvDQ_5R4_lywo to heat the camper as long as it's hooked up to shore power. Only thing I do not like is there does not seem to be a thermostat. I'm presuming it has a built-in one so it does not overheat. Really like all the other color options it has to offer.
I had a VC Defiant replaced with a Jotul Carrabassett which is steel and cast with only one seal at door works great!
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Trevor, Colorado Springs here. One other thing to point out between cat vs non-cat is that a non cat will give you beautiful flames to watch vs cat stoves typically will have less flames when the cat is active. So be sure to weigh that into your decision when choosing a stove. Great job on the video
Great observation to point out!
We have a. Steel wood fired range with back boiler, it heats 9 1.5mtr double radiators which get almost to hot to touch, we have a heat sink radiator in the cellar, to stop it getting too hot, very happy with it for last 10 years, an anti corrosive fluide is essential, just add it to the header tank
We’re building a new house next year and I’m considering the Lopi Rockport.
Thanks for watching!
You’re a delight
Thank you for this video
Asking people adds to confusion Vs this non bias comparison.
ha thanks!
One con to cast iron is it cracking. We had an old 'Ben Franklin' stove years ago and with the first firing of it one of the panels cracked - when it did, it sounded like a rifle shot! You need to 'break in' a cast iron stove with progressively hotter fires.
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@@embersliving I had a store selling cast iron wood stoves. The biggest problem with cracking was people installing the bolts too tight thus not allowing the iron panels find their place, so to speak. What I would do and recommend my customers to do when assembling a stove was assemble a panel loosely, ad the stove cement, and just snug the bolts, after it was completely assembled go back and snug each bolt then back it off 1/8 turn. The next day when the cement had set, build a SMALL fire in it for 1 hour or less than let it go out than build a slightly larger fire and let it go out and cool down than do a final check of the bolt tightness (just snug) and you good to go. I doubt if any of my customers actually followed all that so I tried to pre-assemble them before letting them leave the shop. Almost all panel cracks are due to too-tight bolts not allowing the iron to expand and contract through the burning cycle.
@@samTollefson Interesting, Ill share the news with the team !
These are really helpful
Glad to help. We have a bunnch of top 5 wood stove videos too. Also how to start a wood stove. Glad you like the videos. cheers
Great information - I didn't know about cast iron vs steel. I have a small cast iron WP4 from ACR here in the UK but it's modern looking.
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Good Show
Thanks for the information
DomIJ
Glad to help
Good morning I just wanted to know how hot can I get this wood-burning stove, I know the inside of the stove will be 800 and the surface temperature will be 700 with no signs of over firing. The stove does not turn red or growing red is these temperatures okay ? The flue is 450
that seems ok
I have an old Jotul 602 clone. You wanna see a warped cast iron stove... I can show you one lol
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@@embersliving i believe my uncle severely over fired it trying to heat to big of a space. Filled the gaps with stove cement and it's been working very well. Probably not the safest, as I think this will be it's last season
I believe the firebricks in the steel stove needs to be replaced over time. That's a definite con for steel then isn't it? Does the cast iron stove have a consumable part as well? (Besides the fuel obviously)
Lucien from Caoe Town
well yes that is true, some firebricks do need replaced, however some of the slabs in the cast iron could need to be replaced the same way
What kind stove would you recommend for a one story ranch house, one you can cook on if power goes out? We have electric, but we have been thinking of getting a wood stove for when the power goes out
honestly both would be great options for what you need. Cast iron may get a little hotter for cooking though
Ok thank you.
I need a blaze king princess
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I have a vented fireplace that vents through the attic. My chimney has flown off twice and im about to get my roof replaced, thanks Ida. I want to do away with the chimney.... what are my options. I'm getting a new roof next week so I need to make a quick decision. I do have a gas outlet at my fireplace.
gas would be the easiest solution if you dont want a chimney
A stove can't do both, it can't retain heat and be hotter at the same time. A steel stove releases more heat in a burn cycle than a cast iron stove. Steel transmits heat faster than cast iron. One of the major things you did not say about cast is that it can crack. Steel cannot crack. It can warp and deform but it cannot crack. Cast Iron can not warp or deform unless it cracks. They are fixable when they crack, but then the stove is no longer square.
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Cast iron can warp and steel can crack, c’mon now. Just because it’s unlikely doesn’t make it impossible.
@@Icutmetal I have never in my life seen steel crack from heat. I have been a metal fabricator for 3 decades.
Doesn’t matter if it’s cast or steel- THEY ARE ALL DESIGNED INCORRECTLY
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What is the correct design? I’m not being a jerk. I want to buy one and I don’t know what to look for.
You ever seen the JØTUL F 305 R LL ?
Nice troll.
Is he Kyle Chandlers brother or something lol
maybe lol
Blaze King, end of story
true
You should always stand up when being a salesman. Sitting or leaning makes you look lazy.
haha like the name.
Too bad no one I've heard of makes a stove like the Orley's of the 80s. Made from 16" Dia. pipe. No bricks (insulators) to keep corners from splitting. After 6 years, I brushed my 22' flue out & got 1/8 cup of tan dust. Would an EPA approved stove burn that clean? No.
interesting
First 2 minutes is he just saying that he's "....going to give you the pros and cons". Repeats it about 6 times.
Thanks for watching!
I welded a very old “separating” cast iron stove seam. I used preheat and nickel-rod to seal up a cracking seam. The stove still works to this day and 8 years after the repair.
awesome
@@barrybarry5803 Don’t hate. I’m sure your mom still ties yours for you.
its easy to weld iron.. ive welded it with a flux core from harbor freight.. specially cracks.. if you drill the cracks out at the end the cracks wont spread when you weld.. ive welded a few busted cast iron water spickets on my farm and other things
I was thinking the same thing. 💡
I find your videos so interesting as I work in the premium end of the UK market. Here we almost exclusively use steel stove at the top end and cast iron is the bargain basement! You are so right about cast iron stoves releasing the heat more slowly due to thermal mass- we try and remind people that there is often the same efficency- iron is slower to start heating the room but will still be releasing the heat you paid for after you have gone to bed! That said the mass of the iron stove acts as a thermal flywheel over the burn cycle. PureVision stoves in the UK get the best of everything- Steel stoves for total airtightness, cast iron doors- free from stress and gives a huge variety of style options, but to make the steel stove gain some of the advantages of the iron stove they fit refactory porcelian liners to give it thermal mass and much greater longevity than vemiculite used on cheaper stove. One point you did not metion is steel gives the option to fit convector boxes into the stove to move the heat from the stove right round the room, but is of course by no means standard. Keep up the good work, I love to see shops helping customers to make educated choices!
We still like our steel stoves! That's so cool we have fans from over the pond! I'll check out the PureVision stoves. thanks for watching! Stay tuned we have some more burn season stove videos coming out in the next few weeks!
I want an Esse cook stove based on how they look. Looks can be deceiving though. Do you have any experience with them? There aren’t any dealers near me so going to look and then not buying one would be a lot of wasted money.
I had a store selling woodstoves in Western WV back in the '70s. I carried one of the best models of the day and the ones most others later copied, the Norwegian Jotul. They introduced to the US the efficiency of an air-tight stove with a baffle and secondary burning. Unfortunately for me, they were too pricy for my market. I still heat my house with the Jotul #4 combi-fire 43 years later and it is still in excellent condition, I haven't even needed to replace the door gasket.
One Pro for cast iron stoves you didn't mention that Jotul utilized is the dimpled outer surface, my #4 has it and they claimed the dimples added something like 25% more surface area thus giving you 25% more radiated heat, you can't really do that with steel. That said, I have an old brick-lined steel stove in my shop that does a fine job!
Thank you for your informative video, and Happy New Year!
43 years?? nice!! Thanks for watching and happy new year to you as well !
We bought a 30yo Vermont Castings with catalyst...after pulling the entire stove apart and rebuilding/resealing, the thing works like it is brand spanking new....we burn as much as 3-4 cords of wood every year continuously for 4 months straight and have been using the rebuilt stove for 10 years in a row with zero issues
I've had 2 VC's, one in each of our homes and they've never given us any problems, either.
Thats what I like to hear !
Did you use the VC rebuild kit? Someone said that there is such a kit available for $1000.
Had a Vermont Castings multifuel stove, now run a steel woodburner. The problem I had with the Vermont was the firebars in the rocking grate. They'd distort to the point they had to be replaced regularly, mostly due to bubbles in the castings. Now have a welded steel 7Kw woodburner, with tile side panels, and am much happier with it. Replace the firebricks ~every 5 years, and that's it. Heats the house to +27C when it's -25C outside, with no effort. Sure, it doesn't have the mass and thermal inertia of the Vermont, but it's reliable and understandable. With that I mean you can get used to its quirks and work with it. It becomes a member of the family and needs to be treated with respect!
Yup you have to take care of these things. Thanks for the comment and watching!
While my comment doesn't apply to this video, a massive stone or masonry heater is what much of the Scandinavia and other cold regions have used for centuries. Instead of feeding a wood stove every couple of hours, a masonry heater gets a fast hot fire and then radiates heat for the rest of the day. 😊
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We have had (and enjoyed) a Hearthstone enameled cast iron stove for the past ten years, and it's still going *strong* !! Heats our little house (
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Glad you mentioned the warping of steel stoves, it happens more often in the baffles, doors and other components more so than the firebox. It's not that uncommon in my experience.
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I'll tell you what I got a soapstone woodstove. I've had it over 20 years absolutely no problems with it and a nice spot is it puts out heat after the fire is out after the fire is out just putting the third option out there soapstone is the way to go for me.
We always try to push people for soapstone! Thanks for the comment.
Cast iron for me all day everyday.The thing is it stays warm long before you go to bed,steel cools down way to fast and if it's heat dispersion just get a fan.Now that being said, Morso stoves have a special grade cast iron, which in my mind makes them a superior cast iron stove.
We like cast iron as well.
Built my woodstove over 35 years ago from a transformer like you see on telephone poles. Cost me less than $50 with kit, fire brick and steel works great. With a seilling fan it heats my whole house....$50 dollars.
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Steel can be repaired much easier. I didn't say Cast iron couldn't be welded, but Steel is much easier. Second I don't buy this idea that steel doesn't get as hot, what does that mean? Are you saying they conduct heat better and thus the temp stays lower which actually means they heat better? If you are talking about thermal mass and staying hot longer after the fire dies down, then I think the fire brick inside has more effect than the metal its made of. I suppose if cast doesn't conduct heat as well then the temp inside the fire box would get hotter, but thats a bad thing because that means its going up the chimney.
I've lived in the same house in New England for over 30 years and have used VC Encore as the primary source of heat using at least 6-7 cords/ year and only burning dry hardwood. I get about 10 years from each stove and have used 2 with catalytic and one without. Over time, each stove will start to be less air tight and be more difficult to control the rate of burn and the cast damper outlet and flapper will warp and not seal well. The refractory pieces (non cast iron) will severely deteriorate and begin to fall apart gradually to complete failure. A rebuild "kit" is available with just the parts that I need for about $1000. The catalytic lasts about 3 years each and yesterday, I paid over $350 for a new one to replace the 3 yr. old one. Doing the math, the stove is now about $3000/ 10 years is $300/ year. The cat is $350/3 years is about $120/ year. So to have this stove costs me about $420/ year. I think that it's time to try another brand.
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Jim Fiorentino I am in NE also with a VC Resolute Acclaim and have rebuilt it twice in 14 years. Top of firebox repeatedly warped. I don't overfire it and burn about 5 cords per winter. I am with you on seeking out another brand. I am coming up on having to rebuild it a third time and don't really want to. I grew up with VC in my parent's house but am not impressed with the one I bought for myself. Not the same quality at all.
@@jimfreeman8991 what brands are you guys looking at? In New England too and we want our first woodstove.
@@katiejon17 Not sure yet. Considering Pacific Energy Super LE or a Regency F2450. I will get through one more winter with the VC Resolute Acclaim and decide in the spring.
@@jimfreeman8991 we are clueless because we’ve never had one in our home (an old one in our camp though). We’re looking at Harman’s. Our living space is all open concept (bedrooms and bath right off the living/kitchen space) - it’s maybe 1,000-1,2000 sqft. Hoping to keep it warm, but not blast us out of the space!
I've had a VC cast iron stove for 20 years in a weekend cabin. Once you get it going, it performs well, but it is true that when you get up there on a cold night it takes a while to get things warm. I view running it in three stages (1) establish the fire, (2) heat up the stove much like preheating an oven, and (3) close the bypass damper and heat the house. The stove doesn't care that you want heat immediately, it takes about a half hour or so before it is putting out significant heat. But once it gets ripping it runs great and it does throw off a very nice, even heat that makes it very easy to regulate the temperature once you know what you are doing.
Yea it’s a learning process ! Great comment that can help other wood stove users
Here in the UK I went with steel due to the quick warm up time and zero joints other than the door.
Its a multi fuel Clear View and as its not our main heat source its enough at just 3.5kw
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Conn. Looking for the one pc full body cast iron 1930s stove. Something that requires maintenance and fails in 15-20years...uh..no thank you.
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When I was young our family had a coal/wood furnace and a cast iron cookstove. Occasionally they’d burn coal in the cookstove. I doubt she needed coal for cooking but it may have been to supplement the furnace heat in that part of the house. I don’t know if a steel stove could’ve handled the temperatures.
ive heard other people doing that as well
"Asteticly".
Does anyone ever crack a dictionary anymore?
Fer gawd sakes they're on yer phone now with audio pronunciation!
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I have an old steel orley wood pedistall stove it’s small and do I need to set it on fire retardant material?
I would have a pro installer come in and make sure eveything is good, clean, and safe to burn. You will need a Hearth pad or some sort of safety.
Cast iron is just marketing..cast iron does not retain more heat than steel as soon as we talk about same thickness and also cast iron is brittle whereas steel is not
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Which would you recommend if you want to cook on top?
Ive only personally cooked on a cast iron stove so I have to say that one. I'm sure you can still do it on a steel stove.
My steel Arctic Flame has ran 24/7 ,8 months a year,for 25 years with only one gasket change.I run 5 cords a year,so it just sips the wood too.Red alder and Western maple are my favorite fuels.
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The salesman hasn’t really the experience to just brochure knowledge. I’ve had 3 Vermont castings Defiant Encore, I really loved them but it’s old technology. Cast iron dose not like fast heating and cooling, inner cast iron plates fractures, crack & fall apart. VC need to be heated slowly and kept at a relatively constant temperature for a longer cast plate life. I’ve had the same welded steel County Hearth stove for 25yrs and changed the fire bricks 🧱and door gasket once.
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It all comes down to personal preference...blonde, red head, brunette. Hmm, decisions decisions. 🤔
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You left out how the Cast Iron stoves if they get to hot the coating/paint will start popping and chip off. For the steel stove it is pretty easy to get the stove way to hot I have seen many stoves glow in the dark because the fire was to hot. I have been burning wood all my life and most of the people I know burn so I have seen a lot.
I had a Vermont I used about five years. I loved the stove but it warped to the point the gaskets wouldn't work the parts were very expensive. I bought a blaze king catalytic and havnt had any problems other than the catalytic converter. I live in northern Canada so need to put around five cords through it each winter.
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My cast iron stoves are over 120 years old. I did refurbish them by replacing the firebricks and seals but they are still as good as new and absolutely beautiful. Give me cast iron any day!
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No. Standard maintenance on a stove. Wise ass
Your thoughts on a large blaze king wood stove???
Do you sell many wood burners that are epa exempt? I dont recall a video on it, i have a napoleon nz6000 largest firebox in the industry and i think maybe the best looking, but not the most efficient. But gets around epa because of the amount of air it uses.
very few, the NZ6000 being one of them
Would it be bad if you put a cast iron griddle plate on top of a steel stove, so that you can cook on it. Or, might that somehow damage the steel stove? Thank you man
I think it would do ok
Masonry ..
Con : takes time before any heat reaches the room.
Pro : few tons of red brick has a lot of thermal mass .. when it's hot it stays hot for long time.
Few hours intense burn and you'r good for day or more .. depending on weather and insulation of house. And you can make best stew or pulled pork in it at the end of burn .. that smoky flavor ;)
Thanks for the comment!
You forgot to mention that the top plate on the cast iron stove can crack, I have had three cast iron stoves and all three eventually developed a hair line crack.
What’s your thoughts on the two combined like steel box with cast iron plates? I have the Jotul F45 Greenville which incorporates this unique technology.
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We have the red VC, love it! We have a small home, works great! Our dogs LOOOOOOVE it. LOL
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Not all cast iron is equal!
Many companies 'cast iron' is simply made from melted scrap steel, so maybe the difference is not so large.
never knew that
Which is why i love Morso so much.
They make wood stove paint in all colors that you can paint a steel stove with. And EPA are junk. Also, as far as cast getting hotter? My two steel stoves reach 700 degrees when fired up. Cast must get a lot hotter. And that’s hot!
We have a video ocming out today where we test live burns on Cast Iron VS Steel VS Soapstone
Cast iron crack easy and at high temperatures
yes, with very very dry wood .
My 1st car was a 1972 Buick with a cast iron block 350. The car rusted out quick but that cast iron engine is still running today being used to pump water onto cranberry bogs. Great point about steel being better to heat large areas & cast iron being panels with gaskets. Having learned this I'd lean towards steel stoves 99% of the time. My pellet stove is steel & it cranks out the heat keeping my 2000 sq-ft of living space 75 degrees all winter.
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Steel wood stove could be made better if you build them in the shape of a mailbox out of at least a half inch thick plate steel and also reinforce the interior of the stove and then encase in a 16 inches of of concrete in the shape of the stove and have at least 1 foot off the ground with a total height of 5 and a half feet tall by 3 and a half wide by 4 and a half feet deep the stove itself measurement is 2 feet wide by 3 feet tall feet deep in the shape of a mailbox and only have the front of the stove is not encased in concrete so you can add in firewood the concrete acts like a radiator absorbing heat then radiating it out once the fire has started to burn down so even if the fire dies out you can still have heat for a few more hours the concrete does the same thing that brick walls do when exposed to direct sunlight for about 6 to 7 hours during the summer the brick wall still radiates heat for up to three hours after the sun has gone down and have it encased in concrete you could also have copper pipes embedded in the concrete ti heat up water/antifreeze that could be used to heat the floor or run into a vehicle radiator with a fan blowing air through it to speed up the heating of a large room.
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If its -20 to -30°C and you go to cold start cast it will crack on you if one part gets hotter than the other. Its happened to me.
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i would never get a steel stove.. steel rusts badly.. cast iron doesnt rust as bad.. cast iron is also stronger than steel, and cast iron with high carbon retains heat better...
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If you want to see a good stove you have to visit Switzerland, Bavaria, Austria, Hungay. I mean a Kachelofen. They are made of stone and use less wood. Here in Hungary we have stoves you can cook on. They call it a sparhelt or something like that. I prefer european gear from Scandia and central Europe.
woah looked them up and those are pretty cool. Some of them look like actual cooking stoves.
I'm surprised Colorado hasn't banned wood stoves. I'm sure they'll ban gas cars and natural gas heaters soon. Good luck
lots of people say this. We actually get a lot of people from the mountains buying stoves. Thanks for watching! We're in the westminster area if you ever want to drop by
I love my old fisher probably not the most efficient but can’t knock how they look
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Cast iron can be brittle, but parts are replaceable. Nice vid.
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Steel is easily welded by someone who knows how to do it. No parts needed!
Cast iron IS brittle…and it can be welded as well, but steel is much easier.
I've been heating (don't use the boiler except for hot water) with a Vermont Castings Defiant Encore for 30 years in northwest CT, 1500 sq ft house and I burn 3 1/4 to 3 1/2 cord of wood. I have 12' ceilings in an open floor plan with 2 ceiling fans and 50% of the south wall is glass. Let me tell you cast iron does warp but I heard that steel doesn't. It isn't air tight but still functions well. The beauty of cast iron is so much more appealing to me than the modern look of steel stoves but that is personal preference. The one bad thing about this stove is the door that closes and forces the smoke over the cat which disintegrated 25 years ago. That linkage sometimes binds and I have to use a poker to push the door to open and I suspect it is wear in the linkage or warping. It doesn't happen often but I'm concerned I'll break something, you wouldn't have that problem with steel.
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I maybe in MA but i have learned so much from your videos. Thanks. I am more knowledgeable because of them and ready to purchase my first wood stove.
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We had the VA porcelain coated stove that you are sitting next to in a rental we owned. The Renter pulled the door gaskets because they had failed and decided they didn't need to be there and was to lazy to call me to fix it. She used it anyway and it sucked air and got way too hot and cracked the stove top and ruined the cat. converter. the parts to repair that thing were going to be much more than most Steel stoves cost. So we put it on Craigs list and sold it for parts and bought another (steel) stove and got a new Renter. Not as pretty, but much more durable and cheaper and used way less gaskets and way more user friendly than the Vermont is. Those VA Defiant stoves cost as much as our Kitchen Queen 480 cook stove did at the time with all the extras. It's cast iron folks, not Gold Plated. NOPE.
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I went from an old buck insert to a Vermont castings , I miss the old buck. But I can run the Vermont castings without electricity.
Yeah, Vermont Castings are awesome and youre "of the grid".
Some good info, . A lot of good constructive comments here for once. My wife and I rented a fishing cabin once with a cheap thin steel stove. As cheap and thin as it was, could it ever put out the heat and very quickly as well.
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I have a small cabin off grid. Want to cook on the top. Cast or steel?
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cast iron cracks easily and is a nightmare or sometimes impossible to repair.
it can yes
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Good review I noticed the extension to the flue is on top of all of these stoves.
I want to put a free standing stove into my fireplace so that I don't need electricity like I do with my Osburn insert (great stove by the way). My parents had a steal stove that the flu connected to the back of the stove. Do these still exist? This way I can just run the pipe in the fireplace and up the flue.
There are some that still exist like that i cant think of the names right now. We sell Vermont Casting that have a reversable sleeve so you can get different piping to install how you want.
I burn lump coal in my stove in my shop to try to heat it
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my question is would the defiant be the way to go for my 1600 SQF House?
So if I have a blower on my Vermont cast. .
Would help it kick butt
defiant would be great. blower never hurts!
@@embersliving Thank you!
My wife doesn't want a ugly black
steel one 😆🤣 so it's the compromise with the V.C stove...
I will probably go with the red as she calls it pretty....
I'm all about the heat.
Wrapping his my chief concern for steel stoves.
Can be if over fired which is a user error
Too much chit chat. Get on with the facts! We all have stuff to do.
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I have a 35 year old Earth stove. We go through 4-6 cords a year. Very good home heater. Replaced the bricks twice and gaskets, and had to straighten out the bent door. Much better at heating than the newer stoves.
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I’ve got an old Earth Stove too. I love it, but I think It’s definitely not on the efficiency side of things. I burn wayyyy too much wood.
Have a bronpi monza stove which is just for wood and mostly steel but they're popular in Spain on the haciendas and man they give off huge heat.
intresting never heard of that one
Thanks. Tremendous heat from it. My concern at this time is the government will outlaw coal and wood burners on the bullshit pretext of climate change, thus making us all dependent on gas and electricity to heat our homes. Burners are freedom!
In Uk I dont think there are many cast iron stoves left on the market. They have to be costlier to produce vs laser cut steel. My parents had one and it cracked so thats a huge risk, so I think they are a bit obsolete here.
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Not true at all, Morso is a big seller in the UK and Ireland.
@@dacelticcross Do Morso still do cast stoves ? I have a Morso 06 and that is laser cut steel.
Most woodburners I've seen I'm the UK are cast iron.
One problem ! Bryssel whant to stop firewood use
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Load the cast iron stove up with hedge and itll warp.😲
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I learned so much! Going to look for the cat vs non cat now.
smart idea. its usally cat / reburn/ hybrid
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How about the difference when it comes to cooking on top?
i think a steel one would be better for that. I guess either so long its flat
Great info. Just subscribed and liked.
Thank you mike bee
Video is way too long for such little info
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I stopped watching as soon he sat down.
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Perfect video! Thank you!
We have a lot of wood stove videos coming out this month be on the look out!
How much money for an install for both?
we are a retailer you would have to ask an installer about your situation.
How's living in commie Colorado?
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I've heard nothing but good regarding woodstock soapstone stoves. Both in quality and customer service, and I've never heard anyone complain about their cast cracking.
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Well done
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Can you put a wood stove on a floor made of floor joists? Or does it absolutely have to be concrete?
You need a hearth area or it can cause a fire
@@embersliving And that hearth area can be put over wooden floor joists / OSB subfloor, right?
@@alexanderdark6864 Of course you can…
I installed my steel wood stove in 1987 and many thousands of fires have provided most of the heat ever since. I'm a firebug!
I have had the side of the stove crack, decades ago, no doubt due to overfiring. I've had some of the steel parts on one of the sides of the front of the stove warp, likely again due to overfiring.
I'm planning to pull the stove out and remove the heat shield and to weld on a patch to seal up the box again. I'll inspect the warped part and may just remove it.
I've only replaced the stove brick once, about five years ago.
I've repainted the stove and stove pipe with high temperature stove paint, which works like a champ, but isn't a brilliant shine. I'll repaint again when I disassemble the stove this summer for maintenance.
The air flow into the stove seems to have gotten weak in recent years ---I'm guessing that the air passages are plugged with dust being drawn into the stove. Again, when I disassemble the strove this summer I'll aim to inspect and clean those passages. When I've tried to do that in the past, I don't recall a way to get access to those passages, but I'm guessing I was not determined enough.
When I'm initially firing the stove, the air supply to the fire is weak, which is why I suppose those air passages need cleaning. When the stove is hot, it get plenty of air.
In short, I've been happy with decades of experience with my stove.
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They should use this video as a drinking game. Every time this guy says Pros & Cons or Pros - Cons you should drink.
Not a well thought out video.
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