Film or Digital for Street Photography?
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Hello everyone! In this video, I wanna talk about the pros and cons of shooting film or digital when doing street photography. You probably know that I shoot both and I that love my Leica Q as much as my X-Pan or my M6. The experience is quite different but both have something in common and that is the fact that you can have a lot of fun whether you shoot film or digital.
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Digital is okay, I just find the cameras to be a bit wonky. I prefer to shoot film for that reason. (Other than the Fuji Cameras)
Not a fan of the Fujis, the attitude of some Fuji fanboys is super annoying and Fuji killing off film stock after film stock sucks big time. 😭
i have a contax g1 but am going to need to buy a digital camera for the school im going to, i am thinking about the x-pro1 or 2 since they seem the closest to what i love about my film cameras, any other ideas for what i could buy?
@@therealsirrobin _ Hey Sir Robin I shoot with a Fuji Digital OK, And I also shoot with FIlm cameras too. Do not make fun or bad word other shooters that shoot both media OK, and I do not like Sony Cameras since it is a Minolta Digital re badge as a SONY in which I cringe when I see these Sony Shooters get so excited that since they do not know how to use it Correctly is like as they hold their Sony Camera is like holding a Second Dick. As also for Leica shooters, either film and digital that how they bad month, and knock other shooters if they use Nikon Canon, and Fuji's like me, and how they would say to us this: "That's is Not a Leica Camera - That is a Piece of shit." Fair warning any person that saids that to me will be eating mush corn when my 1968 Nikon FTn goes right through their MOUTH!! As you are just Boys with Toys - Not Shooters Got That...
@@Andrew-wb7wn Hey Andrew - I have a XPro1, and XE1 as I use my Nikon Nikkor Manual Focus Lenses as I love the love, and Image, and contrasty that I am very Please with that - And Sir Robin - Again my film gear is VERY OLD OK, I have Nikons, and Canons Rangefinders, and Medium to Large Format OK, and I have a place that fixes Old Gear OK, See Sir Robin, Old School Technology WORKS DO not need to spend $$$$$$$$$ Dollars or Euros or Yen to prove that you are important in using new gear Think, and KISS Meaning Keep it Simple Shithead....
For street photography, film for sure. Digital makes me shoot to many photos without thinking about it and film also has more feeling to it with grain and such.
This is so true.
On point!
nowadays I just shoot film with a 100% mechanical camera (not even a light meter). For some strange reason, it makes me enjoying the process much more that the result, to a point I barely develop the negative. Going out with the machine and clicking randomly was most of the joy 😊😊
I love to shoot film over digital. Because a small snip of film in my hands is a timekeeper postcard. Every time i get it in my hands, I know it was between me and my subject. I can't get never get this feeling in digital.
I find it problematic that a digital file has no inherent characteristics and that you have to introduce them. Greg Gerard
Personally I am very grateful to the digital format, coz I extensively used it and found it very limiting in terms of getting good texture and tones out of it, so I perfected and fine tuned my technique. Then I switched to film but with all the training I had with the limitations of digital, I felt like I had this powerful medium that makes me focus on the imagery and get a result with beautiful tones, colors and most importantly the soft highlight rolloff.
It might be important to mention that this whole journey was in cinematography and I started with DSLRs, then moved to Arri Alexa and finally film. But I think it perfectly applies to photos as well. Digital in my opinion is the best way to train for film.
And I am so happy that Sir Robin brings out this review in such an unbiased manner. Thank You again for such a great video
Thank you! 😊👍
Well made video covering the main pros and cons of each medium. I am also using my M6 for street photography. I prefer it over digital for a few reasons not mentioned in your video: silent shutter, inconspicuous look (red dot and camera brand hidden with gaffer tape), and 35 mm film is more forgiving for a bit camera shake or blurriness compared to digital. IMO B&W film looks always better than digital B&W, but this is partially subjective. Tonal grey range is better with B&W film.
I went totally digital several years ago and at the time I thought it was the correct decision but to be honest my creative vision and desire to shoot has never been the same. I have been thinking about going back and doing some film over this last year but I will have to invest into some new gear because I sold all of my film gear. I think film is a much more creative experience with film especially in black and white. I can convert my digital images to monochrome but it’s never the same as Witt my beloved tri-x ☹️☹️☹️.
I prefer film for B&W street photography. I always feel digital B&W street images look flat, too sharp and somewhat static. I don't know what it is.
I totally understand what you're saying!
For traveling nothing beats my Leica M8 with a complete lens setup and a Rolleicord Model I which is super lightweight and compact.
Before that I shot a Nikon 1 V2 with M lenses and a Leica M5 on trips.
I started photography twenty years ago with a Nikon F2 and a 50mm 1.4 Nikkor which I still own and shoot from time to time then came some Coolpix cameras, Kodak DSLRs based on the Nikon F5, the D3 and the D4. I also got into digital medium format recently with a Hasselblad H3DII-31 and a solid lineup of lenses. When I finally get the film back for my H2 this setup is also completed and great for landscape, flash and macro photography.
Still can‘t stop shooting film :)
Really good comparison .
I really enjoyed .
Thanks 👍
For work I love to shoot digital, but for private stuff I love the limitations of film.
damn man!!! if i had only known you were in Egypt we would've had a blast
I like both aspects. One friend put it best, its the difference between a home cooked meal and a tv dinner. One aspect is you have to plan and process where digital is a tv dinner.. its easy and convenient.
That is a great way to put it! 👏
Add some grain to a digital image and I doubt I could tell the difference between it and an analogue image, so for me it comes down to the camera. If I want to be super stealthy I'd use my sony rx100 iv because it's tiny and can be sitting next to me on a bench or on a cafe table and I can trigger it with my phone. If I want to shoot film though my first choice is my lomo lca, just set the focus and fire away !
i think film is better because,i don’t know it’s more natural for me....
Never had these big battery issues with mirrorless everyone is talking about. It's not like my camera is up to my eye all day and if I switch it on, by the time i raised the camera it's ready, so no reason to keep it on all the time. The only time you have them is when you are filming, but if I'm filming on actual film I will probably only ever be able to afford a few minutes, so needing a few batteries to film on digital isn't that big of an issue. I feel like these complaints mostly stem from people not realizing you can turn your camera off....
Another great video... I have this fascination with a Leica m6. I would love to have/shoot with that camera. I hope to own one, one day. However, for me... because of the reasons why you mentioned (mainly easier to travel with and getting the results quickly so I can adjust on the go) I shoot digital. I absolutely love my Leica Q.
Most people will disagree with me... but I much prefer the M2 to the M6 (I have both). When you hold both of them you can actually feel how much better made the M2 (and M3) is. M6 is great if you shoot 28mm but if you shoot 50mm the framelines are so small. Anyway just my 2 cents if you are thinking of a M6.
Get one, you won't regret it. In case you don't want it, you won't lose any money when selling it later. 😁
Great video! You have packed an awful lot of useful information into just a few minutes.
Really like film for small personal projects. Really like kodak gold 200 for travel snaps , getting the feeling of my childhood. But i am in love with night and lowlight stuf, even if i am bringing my film camera here and there but digital is the way to go there for me
I think like most: shooting film for personal/free work, shooting digital for commercial work
You didn't mention the cost of development especially at a lab. That's the main downside for me for film. The main positive is no editing raw files for endless hours. One click magic. Just ordered two books. One for me in Canada and ine for my friend in Paris. Your book is traveling just like you!
I develop film at home, so that isn't an issue. Thank you! Hopefully both zines have arrived by now! 🤗
@@therealsirrobin mine arrived today and my friend got his in Paris this past Friday I believe. Great book. Are the earthy tones exclusively because it's Cairo and those are the predominant tones there (reminds me of the poor working neighborhoods in Casablanca) or did the film stock you used also add additional earthy tones?
Thank you Paul! Yeah, that's how it looks over there.
I'm shooting undistracted and more intentionally when using film. If I ever use digital is with my phone or some legacy camera like 5D classic, M9 or Sigma Foveon cameras. Gotta have that characteristic touch to the image.
Nice discussion. _By the way_ , do you have a high-resolution gallery of just Vision 50D and 250D images you developed in C-41 somewhere? Asking because I would like to compare them to my ECN-2 developed rolls and observe the differences in grain, color, sharpness, etc. I think you already have high res scans of both in your possession so that could be an interesting video. I have suspicions.
No, unfortunately not. I think Silbersalz will do a comparison at one point. Looking forward to seeing that.
@@therealsirrobin Okay, sweet. Yes, that would be nice to see.
Just ordered :) looking forward to getting my signed copy Great work Robin :)
Thank you! Hopefully it arrived by now! 👌
Today someone offered me an M10P for my analog MP. Same day, while self developing (important cost savings to justify an already costly hobby), experienced my first loss of two rolls coming out blank (developer likely expired, despite last use being fine) - really sucked! I came to your vlog to try to help sort my mind on if I'm not trading for the M10P for the right reasons. I have the Q as well already, but find it collecting dust when not in vacation high usage mode. But you make really good points in this video. Thanks for that.
Have you really self-developed and scanned for that long of time? I assumed you sent everything to a lab.
Hi Chris! That seems to me like a really good deal. A brand new MP costs less than a used M10P. However, the M10P will go down in value over time while the film MP will rather go up. 😀
Yes, I develop a lot of film myself but lately I also send some stuff to a lab to save up some time. If the rolls were fully blank then it might as well be a different problem but that's just me guessing.
@@therealsirrobin Thanks for the input! And wow...the vlog using Ektar in Thailand. I dismissed that film stock seeing others photos but your photos were so lush. It's resting in the freezer now waiting for the right location to make those colors pop :)
Hi, another great episode thanks! At 6mins, 43 seconds you show a website with M6 valuations/trends, would you mind providing the link to the site please?
Bought mine! Cant wait!
Great, thank you!
I started shooting street with film because I could not afford a digital camera. Back then I loved the limitations of it. Certainly forced me to become better quick.
Nowadays (with more money and less time) I value the immediacy of digital more than the film result.
How could you afford to shoot film but not afford a digital camera? You can get a digital camera for like $150 used on eBay but each roll of film is like $30 to buy & process. I had to stop shooting film because it was too damn expensive.
@@joetreadonme It was about 10 years ago. and i already had a scanner that took film. a comparable quality digicam was just out of reach.
The trick is to develop yourself!
Great video as always. Love the X-Pan zine. Also need some advise from you. I am considering buying my first Leica, I have found a very good condition M3 and a super mint M6 TTL .85. I am fine with the viewfinders and framelines of both. But I am still finding my way so to speak...I don't have a style as of yet. I don't even have a genre. I just love taking pictures. The idea is to get the Leica and choose a film and focus on composition and shooting.
Than go for it! Both are great. I would get a .72 M6 just because I want frame lines for 28mm.
If you shoot a picture of somebody and they want you do "delete it" it's not as easy when shooting film ;) Otherwise, digital is for work, film is for the love..
I mostly shoot digital but In my opinion film can handle highlights better, it’s so easy to blow highlights out on digital
Yes, most films can be overexposed like cracy and you'll still get more than enough details. The roll off in the highlights is also a lot smoother.
Well pondered look at the whole situation without giving in to pointless elitism. Very nicely done, Robin. I believe digital tricks people into caring about minutiae way more than they ever should. The pixel-peeping, as you mentioned, is a great example, but it gets into everything; people asking about EXIF settings makes my blood boil... But that's not really a problem of digital photography itself, just a problem with beginner photographers and how they try to wrap their heads around the art, first as a mechanical thing, then as an expressive medium. Always worth to keep that in mind.
And the new zine look amazing! Congratulations on it! I'll be placing an order for mine later tonight!
I'd love a video on the process of putting this material together; I'm thinking about the possibilities of doing something similar in the near future.
Thank you my friend! The video is, coming this Sunday. 🙏
I agree very much with what you say. I shoot both , actually I have some times 3 Leica bodies with me when I go for vacation. Two for film (B&W and color) one old digital. The good thing is they can share the lenses . I really love the variety of film stock. As you mentioned it’s always a new motivation to try out different film stock. And on days I don’t feel like I just take the digital one . The mix of both is in my opinion the best . Excellent video! Tschüss 👋🏻
Ganz meiner Meinung! 🤗
I agree with your opinion, I shoot both. I always have a film camera with me but I also always have my phone too for this very reason :-)
Great! ✌️
Great vid, film for me, as much as I like the convenience of digital and fast burst rates for the perfect shots, I always end up cherishing my film shots a lot more as I baby them to not get x-rayed, develop them myself and spend hours in the darkroom for just one picture I feel a lot closer to the shot than digital. Weird but it really does matter.
I totally agree with you!
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Hi Robin. Your photos taken wlth Leica Q are the best IMO comparing to film images. You are very talented photographer, don't waste your precious time with film. Besides the chemical process of film can harm human body seriously.
Digital is 100 times easier but film yields interesting results and is a more zen like experience for lack of a less wanky word.
I’m swimming upstream and will go for digital simply because it’s..... convenient... ☺️
But I find that there’s more “soul” in film.. 🤓
I find it harder to find decent fast speed colour, I may wanna go as fast as 1600 say without going crazy grainy. You tried much lomo 800
Vision 3 500t a good option. Pushed two stops it looks great, not overly grainy though. Tried Lomo 800 but it's not a real 800 speed, doesn't look great at box speed.
Digital is for pro work or when you need to get a picture fast. It's also better to learn with. Film produces beautiful pictures, though.
I'll say film. U don't need an expensive digital equipment for B&W street photography.
You can do street photography ( I'm amaze how it's still a thing) with basically anything.
Andrei Darko you’re amaze how street photography is still a thing? What about wedding photography? Are you amaze that that is still a thing?
@@photosynthesis69
Wedding photography is highly paid, but from my information, street photography is not, only a few galleries, but that's it. I'm not saying that only paid photograph should be a 'thing', because when creating art you shouldn't think about money, all I'm trying to say is 2 things:
1. I'm amazed that street photography ita5still a thing, because in my opinion is has been done a 1000 times and alao in a repeatedly way, especially the B&W visual clisee.
2. Insted of asking me stupid question such as 'Are you surprised wedding photography is still a thing', try to come up with a real argument.
Andrei Darko Andrei Darko I’m amaze that you have so much knowledge/ experience in regards to not only photography but also the business of photography yet have no content. And you took the time out to write that long response with 2 bullet points lol
All the Negative Points, you have sad, is enoungh for me, to prefer Digital over Film. But, i Love Your Pictures : Analog And Digital!
Thank you!
i love shooting film for personal work. what strap are you using ?
I have many different straps. 🤔🤣
Can you tell please what's you're camera bag at 6:00? seems nice!
It's a Billingham Hadley Pro.
@@therealsirrobin thanks!
@@therealsirrobin As far as I know, Billingham doesn't make leather bags. At 8:57, thats a Billingham. But at 6:00 this must be from another manufacturer.
I ordered the new zine, looking forward to that Silbersalz35 magic! PS: I don't like either/or propositions, so it's both film and digital for me...depending on the mood :)
Hopefully it already arrived. 🤗
it did, swiftly...what a treat, the zine is gorgeous! Loved the reds :)
X-ray affect above 800 iso film only ! so 800 iso or 400 iso its Ok
or you can leave them in small bag and hold them untill you reach the Xray device and ask for hand check without xray and you have to explain to them the X ray will damge your film
I have a video on that topic. 🤗
Definitiv Digital! Jedenfalls für mich. Analog kann ich mir Street nicht vorstellen. Das das Funktioniert beweist du allerdings immer wieder. Aber: deine Q-Videos, besonders bei Nacht schaue ich mir immer wieder gerne an. Deshalb: Digital!
Geht beides gleichermaßen gut. Bei Nacht ist digital aber haushoch überlegen. 👌
I started on a M6 and thanks to Silbersalz35 I’m shooting more film lately. I never had a good option to scan film so they solved that for me.
But I bought an M10p in the last week, so now I can shoot film and digital the same way on my beloved Leica rangefinders ❤️
That's great, enjoy both! 🤗
Film natürlich
ist doch irgendwie ein Film Kanal ;-)
bin auf das neue zine gespannt
schreib doch mal mit welchem programm entworfen und wo gedruckt??? vielleicht ein video dazu?
Das Video dazu kommt am Sonntag. 👌
the_real_sir_robin
sehr schönes zine habe es schon vor mir liegen! 😁
Super! 😊
Hi, thanks for your videos ! I was shooting film during 15 years, in black and white and developing the rolls at home, making prints. In 2012, I bought my first digital camera, switching to color pictures and until now I have never shoot film. With experience and good settings on lightroom, I can't see the difference between film and digital prints. I'm not running after a maximum of definition and sharpness with digital gear. I'm always putting some grain on lightroom to break the soft render of the digital images. I use the fujifilm color preset (classic chrome) who is really fine. You mentioned the positive aspects of developing film but after years, it take too much time and money to do it. The storage take also a lot of space. And what about the pollution of the water with all the chemical products ? No definitively, I won't come back to film. The limitation on digital camera is the battery. It is all for me but in the same time, in film you need a lot of rolls in your bags when you are travelling. It was really inconvenient to carry.
Film vs digital for Street is mostly down to cost. If you can afford to shoot 4-5 rolls a day, knock yourself out. Otherwise it’s digital
5 rolls a day... that seems like over shooting. If I'm not shooting a model I am lucky if I shoot one roll.
jesse hayes If I remember rightly Moriyama recommended his students shoot 8 rolls a day. Matt Stuart used to shoot 4 rolls a day until he switched to digital (because of cost). Shot counts can easily rack up once you start working a scene (see the Nick Turpin vids for an excellent demonstration of that)
I develop film myself that makes it very affordable. I often come back from a trip with dozens of rolls. 😀
Always Film!
🙄oh I ordered the book but forgot to ask you to sign it... Not many left if anyone else wants one, looking forward to seeing it, thanks
And I shoot both film and digital. I use my Grandfather's Leica film camera but it's usually reserved for a special occasion. 📷
Hopefully it arrived by now!
Yep! Came really quickly thanks. Highly recommended for anyone who's thinking about getting one.
Thank you very much Sue, glad you like it! 👏
I love film and shoot film every now and again but these days it is too expensive to shoot with film daily.
You realize that the three batteries you take with you for digital can take like 1,000 photos, while you film camera wouldnt need extra batteries it would require 50 rolls of film to take the same number of photos. You would always take at least 3 rolls of film in your bag on an outing so swap the many rolls of film for 3 little batteries. That is one of the worst arguments i ever heard.
Also, film cameras generally don't go up in value unless you got an industry standard medium format camera (mamiya rz or hasselblad) or if you got a 35mm that became very trendy. Like my Yashica t5 is worth something now because its trendy. But then there is my Contax G2, which is still a cult classic loved by many, I couldn't sell it for what i paid for it.
I have a lot of film cameras that actually became almost worthless now because i shot a lot of Fuji pack polaroid, and now that film is done (or you can buy an expired pack for like $50). My TLR medium format cameras are really not worth anything anymore. I sold a leica 35mm camera I had from 15 years ago and i thought I'd get some rent money out of it but it sold for $175 on eBay.
So ya the idea that film cameras hold their value or go up in value is just not true.
No idea where you sell your stuff but I always got more than I paid for it.
Film! Because I like the challenge...:)
Finding film now is too difficult. Also, film is expensive. Film development is expensive. Those are the three main reasons why I would never go back to film. With my digital camera I would have no qualms about shooting ten or twenty shots of one subject. With a film camera I would be seeing dollar signs with every shot. Shooting film would be fun but, also, a luxury.
Not hard to find, simply order online. Developing at home isn't expensive and easy to do. 👌
I hate Film.... i used to take photos only in film because digital had not been invented yet, and it was like learning in super slow motion, you had to wait for the developing of the film and it was not until then that you realized your mistakes, that was 1968, but then many years later the digital cameras came out, and now you can learn photography a lot faster because you can see your mistakes instantly and make the corrections (learn). The other great invention that increased the possibility of creativity to your photos is photoshop and lightroom. I don't understand why so many people are going to film when they have digital cameras that are much better.
I believe that people are creating these romantic stories about film that are just imagination, it's just in their minds.
And about street photography, to take one photo at a time and thinking you are going to capture a good photo of people in motion is like winning the lottery, why make it so difficult, when with digital cameras in burst mode you can take a group of photos and just pick the best one, why do you think photojournalists take so many photos of one person, because they will have a better chance capturing the right face expression by taking many photos of just one person, same with street photography, you only have a split second to take a photo and by the time you put the camera to your eye it's to late.
Digital cameras are far better for street photography than film.
You are way too biased. 😉
Another excellent video, Robin. Whilst I agree with pretty much all you said, the important and ONLY deciding factor for me is the one you mentioned in passing... aesthetic. Yes, it’s subjective but photography is almost wholly subjective. The only way you’ll ever look back at your pictures is through that extremely highly tuned filter of personal taste. So even given all the inconvenience and ongoing expense, film completely eclipses digital in my eyes and for personal photography they are the only eyes that matter. By the way, you said this video was not about film vs digital but it 100% was... For some reason this has become a taboo subject but I feel when handled fairly as you’ve done it’s a very valid and still interesting conversation. 🍻
Thank you Miles! 👌
why not both :3
I shoot both. 😀
Ordering te New Zine: Check!
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You never know If don’t try
I'm about to sell my film M and buy Q. I'll still have film LTM.
28 rolls of film?
Sure!
Both, horses for courses...........
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geordert!
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it matters not. period
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