Laying Worker Fixed! (But...) - PART 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2018
- In yesterday's video I diagnosed a laying worker and came up with a potential solution. Today I show what happened. Everything worked perfectly... right up til the end.
NOW WHAT???
LAYING WORKER PART ONE:
• Laying Worker EPIC SAG...
This is a multi part series. I'll have the first three parts up this week. Stay tuned!
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I've somehow become ridiculously invested in this story. Can't wait for tomorrow.
And this is a good thing!
Same, it's like a soap haha
oh please BEE quiet...
This is my kinda reality tv show lol
I love your bees so much!
haha just for bees :D
Anybody else yelling at their phone screen at the queen to get her butt back in the hive??? Man this "Days of Our Hives" episode was intense! Always a cliff hanger! 😲
Judging from the past, it's highly possible the queen's murdered again by a Balboa. You should look to any Balboa queen who's walking around with a suspiciously sinister smile!
To get rid of any laying bees take the bees about 20 or so feet from the current location and shake the bees out on the ground they do not know where the hives as they never have left the hive.
😂
It amazes me as someone who's never kept bees, how you can pull frames, shake bees off, pick up handfuls of them and shuffle them about. Very docile. Just approaching within 50 feet of a killer bee hive will result in something altogether different. We need more beekeepers to help preserve the European honey bees here in N. America. I know it's like skimming the ocean, but I really appreciate that you guys are doing this, and I wish all of you beekeepers the best of luck.
anyone else get excited to see a new video has been uploaded???
I clicked on it as soon as I saw Part 2
N O Same here!
Yes! It was great to see after a busy day at work.
lol im still at work!! love my 3 monitor setup hahah
I had a chance to sleep in this morning (Australia) but I half-woke and realised the new episode would be up, and couldn't get back to sleep because I HAD to watch it.
How can 15 minutes go soooo fast ? And your spoilers are sooo darn good, I can't wait for the next episode of my favorite TH-cam show :o)
“Well that sucks!” You took the words right outa my mouth.
Love how you went from the Pillsbury Doughboy outfit to just a veil. You've graduated!
Can't wait for the next episode of "Game of Combs" What a show! Was the queen in the north-box overthrown? Are we grooming a new, yet unknown powerful one? Muder! Intrigue! Battles royale!
The binge withdrawal is real after catching up on the last 6 months in the last 24 hours. Love this channel Jim, keep up the amazing content, production value, and random ridiculousness. Certainly an inspiration to have my own farm in the near future!
The saga continues! I can't wait for part three! Return of the Queen!
You are way more patient that I am. I believe I have a laying worker hive right now. I'm doing one more check for a queen tomorrow. After that I'm going to shake them all and remove the hive so they'll have to beg their way into the neighboring hives.
The way this video is but together and the murder mystery is very much like 24 or csi all your missing is that outro one liner and music, you've already got the date stamps. Interesting to see how this ends the drama and not knowing is actually killing me. I never though I'd be this invested in bees!
Darn! Darn, darn, darn. I thought for a moment you had resolved the layingworker problem with your strategy. I've read probably way too many alteratives for a fix on this. I am anticipating nothing short of positive results from your effort on this. Go. Go ahead. We are waiting for a leader in this.
I believe the laying worker situation is fixed. Now we have a queenless hive that doesn't seem to want a new queen.
Tomorrow only? Damn, blast!
"Mommy, is it tomorrow yet?" 😎
love these mini series you are doing...
A regular mystery novel!! Anxiously awaiting Part 3. Still the weirdest thing I've seen so far!
the saga continues, great video..
I wondered why you didn't just let that queen stay in the nuc? Make that a separate little hive and deal with the other one a different way? I'm not an expert on bees its just that the bigger hive didn't like her :(
PART 2 SWEET!
Excited for part 3 :)
Idk why I love watching these videos
Sometimes a hive just wants to create their own queen, it wasn't too late to add a frame of eggs to allow them to make their own. Buying queens can get really costly but at the rate your apiary is growing, soon enough you will be making your own queens. Did you manage to inspect the queen cage? I'm interested to know the reason the queen wasn't able to get out of the cage.
That is my question, too. Why didn´t the queen get out of the cage ?
There was an entrance in the fondant, but it wasn't enlarged enough to let her out. It was just large enough to let workers IN, and several had gone in there. It looked like a log jam and they weren't able to turn around.
could the queen not chew off the fondant inside of the cage? Even just to make a bit of space for getting out of there?
There was a log jam of bees. She was penned in on the wall opposite the fondant.
I can't get this song out of my head, now...
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Can't wait for part three! Goodness this picky hive!
I have never seen/heard of the newspaper technique. I’m new to beekeeping myself and will remember this!
My god these bees & you are like crack, so addictive! We need more videos! great content. I cant believe im so invested in a man’s bees. 🐝
This was my favorite episode
Laying workers are such a pain... I know that look at 13:36 too well! A little tip for detecting aggression towards a queen in a cage. So if they are balled up on the cage and you can't lightly brush them off (heavy clinging) with your finger then they are trying to kill her. If they are balled and you can move them aside easily then they are accepting.
I learned this last night. Ha ha.
I see a lot of suggestions for shaking them on the ground but I've never had it work or heard of it working. This isn't a typical look for a laying worker hive. Normally you DO see eggs and brood and the capped brood will all be drone cells. I'm thinking that your robbers might have killed the queen as thieves are wont to do. It does seem a bit odd that they wouldn't have made queen cells from the existing brood after losing their queen, so laying worker isn't totally off the table. I'll just give you my particular prescription: 1. consolidate that hive back to one box. You need them packed tighter for defense. 2. As close to midday as you can switch hive positions, swapping this one with one of your strong hives and give them a day or two. These two moves will pack your hive for more defense AND the returning foragers from the queen-right hive will enter the queenless/laying working hive and set things to right by killing any laying workers plus defending where the lethargic bees don't seem able. 3. Introduce your queen as before. Foragers returning with pollen/nectar/water won't be fought off by guard bees like robbers who come in with nothing. But they came from a queen-right hive and know how a hive should be run and will straighten things out, restoring order by getting rid of chaos-causing laying workers. After 24-48 hours, you'll have a stronger hive ready to support a queen.
I like the way you think. I will consider trying this.
I think what is often missed is that laying workers can fly. Shaking alone will not do. Shake them out, make sure to remove that hive entirely or - if you have a case like this one - at least turn it 180 degrees with an easily defend-able entrance.
That release was awesome
Wow what a pain, looking forward to the next video ..... I wonder where she went
I have 8 hives and this year I lost the queen to 6 of them. I do not understand why but we have to go ahead. Beautiful video.
interesting video ro wnd my birthday on. as soon as i saw part 1 i was extremely interested in part 2.
i hope everything goes well
Pretty cool technique. 👍😎
Jim, smaller slits next time you do a paper combine. You did all the work for them, its supposed to be a delayed combine. Try 10 1 inch slits next time so you have the pheromones slowly permeating down every beespace. And no, I see no reason to expect that was the cause of her demise, but that is just my observation from lots of paper combines.
Maybe they just wanted a Balboa daughter. Who knows? Great video though, and your process is flawless to real criticism. The above is reaching for something because I really want this to work for you. I'm on pins and needles waiting for the next installment! Chin up, every great (anything) had to fail (sometimes a LOT) before they became great.
Thanks for the feedback. I have this feeling the lower hive just wants to die. Next video I'll take you to present day and I'll be asking for help!
I am looking forward to the next installment, and while waiting I am searching TH-cam for laying worker fixed videos. I will say this - I don't think any of them had as well thought out solution as you used on this one. But we are dealing with humans here, and how well they understand what bees will do when facing the death of their own colony. Not yet being perfect, our understanding of all the possible ways bees might act in that circumstance - are not complete. You cant blame yourself for this one. But lets see if there is not yet a miracle hiding right around the corner! I have hope!
Even pinholes would have been enough.
Julie Enslow I fix laying worker every time with a ripe queen cell on a frame of open brood...another excellent way to correct a laying worker is to close up the colony and move them to a different location nearby and place a new queen right colony in the Sam emplacement the laying worker colony was...open the entrance on the laying worker colony and allow the bees to drift back to the original location where the new queen right colony is and the foragers will assimilate right in without issue...the laying workers will stay in their original box and die out due to low population...DONE
Same comment as yesterday, this is some kind of insane reality show. Can you please name the new queen Snooki because of it? LOL
I agree with Jay. As soon as you had a laying worker situation, you should have moved the hived and shook all the bees out, that would have stopped the laying worker situation. My mentor has advised our bee group to do this several times and he has been keeping bees for over 40 years.
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me they have ACTUALLY done this and that it worked. Everyone shares the advice, but it seems like no one actually does it.
Jim, The only time i have shaken a laying worker hive out was to just write it off. I removed the hive and let them beg their way in whatever they could. I had more hives then i wanted and didn't really want to create more. I have stopped one laying worker hive by doing what you have done and didn't have a problem.
This is great can't wait til tomorrow for part 3. So, are you thinking the bees from the lower box killed the queen when you combined them?
I must not have made that clear in the video. Yes. This is what happened.
I feel your pain.
is that what fanning looks like? XD its cute!
Jim, I'm in the same situation. Laying workers that I can't stand. I made a double screened board that is about 1 1/2 inch thick with screen on both sides. I put it between my queenrite hive and my queenless hive. The queenless hive is on top. It seems the pheromones would travel up. I am going to leave them this way until the laying worker situation stops. I've read it takes time for them to stop laying, and there are usually more than a few laying workers. I read that it is the open brood pheromones, not egg pheromones, that will suppress the laying workers. Once they have stopped laying I'll still wait before combining with the queenrite hive. I have never done the newspaper combine method, but had read a lot about it. When I saw you make the long slits I thought "wow, those might be too long." I'm still trying to decide how to finally combine them. I want to be sure they do not kill the queen like what happened with yours. Sorry that happened. I'm no expert, but I think you did the paper combine too soon. But then again I just don't know. I love reading all of the comments to see what others have to say about what to do. Your videos are excellent and I learn from all of them. Looking forward to the next video.
They were set up with the nuc for three full weeks. There was open brood for over two weeks. The thing is, I noticed the queenless part had stopped the laying worker behavior about a week before I tried to combine. Everything seemed right. I may have made the slits large, but they had been sharing each other's scent for weeks! Others have said I didn't even need the paper since they were on either side of the screen for so long. Wait for tomorrow's video. This hive is just outright hostile. I don't think I could have done anything to make them not kill that queen. Best of luck with your combine!
I have had very bad luck introducing a mated queen to a drone laying hive whether by a queen or laying. The be lab did a n experiment to see if they could get a laying queen in the hive they used queen cells and had a 50% take. You do need to put emerging brood in the hive in order to get nurse bees to feed the young larva If this is not done even though you get a laying queen there will not be enough nurse bees to make it a good hive.
I'm way more invested in the bee's then I ever thought I would be.
Thank god I didn't have to wait till friday
Sorry to hear queen one didn't go off as hoped. I know I asked you previously if you had heard about OTS queen rearing and you said yes. I would suggest you buy his book and give it a try. Instead of buying queens...make some yourself! Thanks for all the great videos... I am learning right along with you! Better hopes for episode 3!
I will read more about it, but it's not something I can use for this situation at this point in the season. I'd just like to get this hive queenright before September. Thanks for the suggestion, though!
here is a community link for you facebook.com/groups/otsbeekeeping/about/
Vino that is why you made resource hives. They have queens, brood and young bees. I thought that is what you wanted to make resource hives for? Those small resource hives have everything you need buddy
All my resource nucs are graduated to full size hives now. I used them as splits this year for my expansion. I will hopefully use them as "resources" next summer. I don't think I'll be expanding as aggressively next year.
I'd shake that colony out in the grass and put the brood in a colony that needs a boost. Laying worker is hard to resolve and sometimes just not worth the effort. I wouldn't throw another $35 onto the ground.
The laying worker issue is fixed. We're in a queenless situation now.
Vino Farm. Yes, you are queenless now, but who killed the queen?...the previously laying workers. They were separated by screen for almost 3 weeks. There should have been no issues combining them at that point, even without using newspaper. The queen pheromone suppressed their ability to lay, but once the workers are, have been, once were laying, it's hard to resolve. Just my opinion, if your nuc was stronger than the hive, they would have protected the queen and killed the other workers. It seems like laying workers in the bee world is big taboo and is harshly dealt with.
I see your point.
Good job such a shame about the queen. You think the paper was removed too soon even though it had a partial opening?
I think Jay nailed it in the comment below. Just because those workers aren't still laying doesn't mean they are happy about it. They don't go through the normal queenless recognition and acceptance that a normal worker does. Once they start laying, those are ruined and will never be right. They have to be taken out either by queen loyalists or by Jay's method. The only way to overwhelm them with loyalists is with frames of emerging brood, nurse bees and a laying queen and that has to be done to the extreme in a case like this where there are so many workers in the laying worker hive.
Laying worker hives are possibly one of the hardest things to straighten out in bee keeping. Nothing about them acts like anything you're used to seeing. Everything in our make up screams at us that we need to "save them" and it's like thinking we can run on the surface tension of water like a Jesus Lizard...while technically possible, it's not easy.
The sad thing is you had a successful split until you tried the paper combining. That may have actually worked had you left the paper intact and not cut the slits in it. The nuc needed time to build stronger. You would have been better off to have given the nuc more frames of emerging brood to start with, the way you went about it was too lackluster and not aggressive enough. It's very arguable since you had a replacement split that you'd have been better off just dumping the laying worker hive out away from the apiary and writing those all off. Setting the new split back in it's place would likely salvage any workers that are worth saving.
And...for pete's sake get rid of those shallow frame hives, lol. Here's an option: Take one of your good nucs, transfer the bees over to a ten frame where the laying worker hive is at, dump out the laying worker hive as Jay suggested. Take any good brood shallows and honey shallows and combine them into a honey super over the new ten frame (nuc transferred) colony. Then take your now empty nuc and make a queenless split, use your new bought queen and there your problems are solved. (Assuming your split is successful and queen is accepted). Your good nucs ( I can't recall for sure) I think have a second deep on top? If so then you have 8 good frames full of bees and brood in them, that's just two frames short of a ten frame deep brood hive. Either rob two more good brood frames or give them two empties, set the scavenged shallow super on top and you have a ready made power house hive instantly ready for your good fall flow.
For a split to refill your empty nuc, you have loads of good strong ten frame hives and nucs. Use what resources you need to make a strong split. You know the drill, late season needs a strong split, leave queenless for a bit and give them your new queen.
Feelings hurt!!!! Man this is getting good!!! Lol #NewGuiltyPleasure
I actually like this hive only because it's so random
Laying workers killed her. A nice try. Shake the hive out a distance away and let the flying bees return to the hives returned position. Laying workers will be left behind. Start afresh. Add some brood from your other hives and build up. “Winter Is Coming”. The laying workers stopped with the presence of a queen. Killed her as soon as they could.
There's nothing laying in that bottom box for more than a week. No eggs. No larvae. Not sure I agree with your assessment.
It is strange, but you introduced the queen with brood (and presumably eggs) and so however the queen's demise came about, they should have attempted to make a queen if they were straight. Robbers also often kill queens. Honestly, these bees just didn't seem jacked enough to support/defend her. Nothing you did was wrong-- you really put a lot of care and thought into every step. Most guys with more hives simply shake them, distribute the resources to other hives and write-off laying worker hives altogether and you can see why after spending about a month (and cost of queens) trying to fix them.
Once the hive gets to this stage, post laying workers, it's really hard to salvage (not impossible). Most people recommend cutting your losses though
Laying workers can fly too, just think of the amount of time they have been queen-less. I would have turned the hive around 180 degrees before shaking them out. Give the hive some emerging brood and food.
Barnyard bees says to cage a queen in a section of frame where she can lay. She will get her smell all over that hive and kick those laying workers out of there. There are a number of other apiaries that recommend that too.
I've seen videos of bees tunneling under those cages and attacking the queen. They make me nervous.
I had a queen stuck in the cage this spring. I pulled the quark out on the side without the candy plug, trying to let her out faster however the bees just jammed in to get the candy, blocking her from getting out.
I caught part one of this and have been checking every two hours since midnight (air quality because of the nearby forest fires make sleep difficult) for part two.
Wanda, do be careful! I will be praying for you, please post when these fires are no longer a threat.
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Vino Farm bell clicked, I’m just impatient😊. Fires are scarring a beautiful part of my childhood, the Columbia Gorge. It will need bees to heal.
Being you used the screen for the 2 weeks, you didn't need to use paper. The screen lets the pheromone permeate better than the paper way. That queen didn't seem right to me. She was very sluggish and still. To me that indicated a problem with her. I could totally be wrong, but thats what I felt watching her. If the end was a teaser for number three. The aggressiveness tells me there IS a queen and they are trying to kill her. You're good with the cliffhangers Jim...lol.
since this hive was a walk away split, can you simply put them back with their original colony? i have no idea on keeping bees or anything and i know there are now 2 different colonies in this new box, but could it be that they were newish bees and just didnt learn the ropes from the others before they got split? or maybe check both italian hives for a queen cell and add that frame?
No... they're too far gone from the original colony. I'm having doubts that they will survive with their attitude.
How much do these new purchased queens cost to buy? (Alone, not with her own bees).
What a day , what a day . 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
They will probably kill the next queen, I have never had any success to re-queen a laying workers hive. Can't wait for your video tomorrow for the outcome.
Who says there will be an "outcome" next video??? This is a series!
Ok will have to wait for the end of the series (Just like Dallas who kill JR)
There's no end yet... Next video is present day. This was a twist I wasn't expecting.
leave them for a while with a bunch of egg but double check plus can we have a check up on all the other hives
I have my hands full at the moment. All other hives have been filmed all summer. There will be updates and storylines for all of them coming out. Stay tuned.
Barnyard Bees have Queens.
I’ve had the same situation and the paper combine worked. However the queen had been in the donor hive much longer and was laying quite a bit. Maybe the new queen wasn’t laying well enough yet?
Well, she was laying enough to stop the laying worker instinct. There was no longer brood in the lower box. No eggs or larvae... I figured I was safe to combine.
mate nurse bees are mostly on frames with larva and eggs, not sealed brood
I’m no expert but perhaps the lower colony killed her. The combine didn’t go so well.
Interesting theory.
Exactly what I was thinking
In all the combines I have done I know it's successful when the paper is GONE - they will shred it and dispose of it when all is good - looks like they made a hole - found the queen and nixed her :(
I can't believe the bride of Frankenhive has gone missing! Did the villagers take her out with pitchforks and torches or is she hiding? Only time will tell!
Jim, since you had the screen allowing communication and scent to move from the nuc to the main hive, you could have skipped the whole newspaper step given that you have ruled out a laying working or other queen...
when you first discovered this hive may be in a laying worker situation, my recommendation would have been to shake them through a queen excluder to be absolutely sure there was no queen and then just combine them back with the original balboa hive as supers onto that hive. a large hive like the original balboa hive would immediately stop any laying worker. the bigger hive would not put up with that behavior. doing that would save you time and money.
I did the newspaper combine to give them the absolute gentlest introduction. Even that didn't work. The lower bees are not having any new additions.
i've had issues replacing queens in established hives as recently as last year. i think i may have figured out a pattern that works for me. i pull frames from multiple hives to start a nuc and put the new queen in that nuc. i believe this works because i've broken the allegiance of the bees by mixing from differnt hives and making them more willing to accept a new queen. i let her get established in the nuc and then i dispatch the queen in the target hive and i just merge the nuc directly into the target hive. not exactly what your situation was, but just a thought to maybe use in the future. at this point i'd be looking to merge this problem hive into the original balboa and call it a day...
That's actually a decent idea, because any workers from a queen-right hive will instantly recognize and dispatch the several laying workers, restoring order to their new home and making the hive ready for a new queen.
What is happening when you combine 3 colony with their queen
What about a capped queen cell? Im not a beekeeper or out just thought thay may help
I don't have one handy. If one pops up, maybe I'll try.
I am surprised that when you shook the nurse bees in to add numbers, they didn't kill the queen, because she is not theirs. I would feel safer putting capped brood only in. I have had trouble re-queening. It seems like it's hard to get colonies to accept new queens. I have also had 2 packages (one this year and one last year) kill and supersede their queen. Good luck. Can't wait til tomorrow !
I always thought nurse bees were safe to move between hives.
I think it's fairly safe, but if there are any field bees I would worry. Sometimes I see a few bees with pollen on their legs crawling around on frames I inspect with the nurse bees. I don't think the nurse bees killed her. But it would make me nervous.
So crazy
Newspaper combine?
I'm going through Vino withdrawal, where's 3??? Lol
Sigh...a communist hive...all workers no royalty.
Fun watching your progress and work at solving the problem. educational for both you and us.
Jim, Please tell me you used a push in cage for the third queen, or the pissed off laying workers will yet again kill another. Once they start a laying, the workers, its hard to get them under control again. The longer they lay the harder it gets to introduce a new queen. Number 3 at $35.00 a pop. You could have bought a package. Best of luck, hope it works! I'm a rooting for ya!!
Were you able to find her majesty's corpse in the lower box.
Nope. Not out front either.
Well we will find out today i suppose. Thank for great videos.
Argh! Another cliffhanger! :)
At 6:32, when you inspected the lower box, you didn't say if you had multiple eggs in cells or not, did you notice any?
No brood, No eggs, No larvae down in the lower box.
I love your videos! This spring I had awful luck with a bunch of hives (laying workers) 2 of them got successfully mated queens (from inserting queen cells), yet they could never lay any eggs as the stupid bees kept laying THEIR eggs, when I removed those 2 queens, they both were successful (but I put them in new hives). I'm not at all suggesting what to do, but I ended up (just me), shaking out all of those bees and putting the frames in strong hives to clean them up.
Shortly after I made a split and never looked back.
I ended up wasting so many resources on them, even when they had a success queen in their hive they still wouldn't stop with the 20 eggs/cell (I was fascinating to see 2 larvae in some cells!), although, they were small.
Finally, I have enough hives to where I will just shake the bees off, combine the frames and call it a semi-loss.
That blows about your queen.
you should cut one of the wings off the queen and mark her to identify more easily, that's what we do here in Brazil
watched it happening
I think the problem was probably shaking in the extra bees ...if I want nurse bees I shake them out on the ground in front of an empty Nuc ...that gives plenty of time for foragers to return to the hive and only the nurse bees will remain ...but they still need a period of time to realise they no longer have a queen - an hour or two - and I still spray them and the bees I am adding them too with sugar water so fighting is avoided. It would only take a couple of robbers or older "shaken in" bees to kill the queen.
DreamofaHive Not sure what you mean... the bees I shook into the nuc lived with that queen for over three weeks. They didn’t kill her.
Yes, I completely missed the timeline the first time I watched lol .... the robbing on 4-5th of August could have been her demise or it could have just put her off laying and they are just hiding her on the sides/bottom of the box. I have a small nuc that got seriously robbed out by wasps - I thought the queen was dead - no sign of her or eggs for a couple of weeks. I gave them a couple of frames of honey/pollen from another hive so they wouldn't starve while I decided what to do with them. I reduced their entrance to 1 bee space. Life took over, and I had 20 hives that were getting the biggest flow I have ever experienced, so a couple of weeks later I realised they were still getting robbed out so I took another quick look to see how many bees were there and what stores they had ....there was obviously no brood - but then i saw the queen. The stores were nearly gone again. I moved them 8 miles away with no other hives within at least half a mile and put an empty nuc on their original spot and was totally shocked at the number of robber bees - more bees than the population of the hive. They are currently not getting robbed and I am hoping the "rest" from robbers, syrup, a pollen patty and normal hive life will have kickstarted her back into laying. (inspecting them tomorrow) Point is that it was a 5 frame Nuc - they were barely 3 frames of bees and I couldn't spot her for 3 consecutive checks - lack of eggs/brood isn't necessarily the result of a lack of a queen when there is a dearth and robbing is going on. And dont ask me where they hid her - I have no idea. I generally am very good at spotting queens and looked really hard for her. I was literally on the verge of combining them ..... oh the joys lol
and well done for showing people that they don't need to shake their bees out :)
This one had a big blue dot. I went through a couple times and saw nothing. Wait til you see part three. After seeing how those bees treated a queen, this queen never stood a chance.
What is the newspaper for please?
It's like a time-release. They bees can smell each other through the paper and they make their way through slowly. Rather than just dumping them together, which will cause a battle.
Ah, I see, didn't realise they would fight. Thanks Jim, great videos, loving them
The f*cking spoiler . (😂😂Queen hiding)
Cliff hanger 😆
It's only a cliff hanger because you're a superfan. Just think about the thousands of people who get to binge watch the whole series once all the episodes are up. Thanks for watching.
Here is my 2 cents. (we all have our own 2 cents - but it's free advise.) I would have simply built a nuc from the queen you purchased and let the problem hive (below) just fade away. Introducing a queen with the problems you are facing probably did her in. Take the queen in a couple frames brood and nurse bees from another hive and leaver her caged in that nuc for 5 days - THEN let them have at the candy to release her - Keep those toxic bees away from everything - it's obvious you have laying queens with the evidence you showed us all. FYI - your manor, and the fact you spell out what you think helps more people then you would think - keep up the really fun work - for me its like where's waldo... Thanks for being consistent in your thought process.. Ditch the laying workers on the grass - how dare they mess with a perfectly awesome queen..
You're going to like the next video!
What was that white goo that fell down?
It was a piece of comb. I think a bit of brace comb they had made on the floor of the hive.
I don't know what is exactly happening here. but if i were you, i like to make lil changes in location and box of this hive. maybe there is some kind of chemicals(pheromone or wood smell/rain whatever) happening. or i say, drunk bees in that hive.
again I am no expert but, what are the chances of any new queen to survive in this hive? i don't think its 50%.
I think you have a perfectly good queen in that colony. Sure, you weren't able to find her, but I think she's there. Hiding, somewhere. Worst case you crushed her by accident, but I doubt that. I think she's just running along some dark crevice in the box, avoiding the light, as queens are wont to do.
Of course, you gave away the outcome with the spoiler clip at the end of the video. Bees don't go apeshit trying to sting the hell out of an introduced queen unless they're queenright.
Garrett Johnson Please come visit and find this queen you are sure exists. That hive has been without a Queen for 6 weeks. The nuc on top with the laying queen did what I expected and stopped the laying worker situation. After three weeks, there were suddenly no eggs or brood down there. If they were queenright, surely there would be a pattern of eggs down there in three weeks Time, right?
I'm sorry, I should trust your judgement more. You're the feet on the ground, you're the guy who probably went through the frames three times making sure. If you say there's definitely no queen, then there's no queen to be found.
This is curious behavior, aggressively balling the caged queen if they're not queenright. I honestly don't understand the situation you're in at this point.
@@vinofarm I wonder about that because Jim... that new queen could be defective or she's not laying because there is no pollen in the hive... ya know they use it for baby bees. I saw nectar but no pollen.
Garrett - I looked at every frame at least 6 times before concluding they were queenless. And the population wasn't huge. No places to hide or get lost under a pile of bees. I still feel like a noob half the time, but I am sure this hive never had a queen since they were split first week of July. Someone on yesterday's video pointed out that since they've been queenless for so long, they've lost a couple generations of nurse bees and workers. They're basically all old foragers and guards and there's no one taking care of the place. They're just all old and ornery. Kind of makes sense.
She'll be there when you go back.
From Balboa to Marie Antoinette... my goodness......
If they are robbing and in a dearth queen might have shut down. I'd give it another week and check again.
reelinhuntin Queen’s dead, friend.
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Why not shake the bees into a plastic box, that way workers can fly off leaving nurse bees behind that can then be tipped in
Why didn't you check the bottom board to see if there were any remnants of the queen's body?
I did... Nothing there. I also scoured the ground in front of the hive and found nothing.
Maybe they just ate her.
something was wrong; your new laying queen did not lay up those empty frames; did she know there was little or no pollen in the hive to feed her brood so did not lay and did she know there were not enough nurse bees to look after the brood or foragers; was she flawed?; I would not have shaken those nurse bees- I would have given the whole frames of brood and nurse bees; your combine was two frames versus how many in the lower hive; I would have made the top chamber a full stand alone nuc with lots of bees. and fed them; I make my nucs strong; You could have switched hives like an artificial swarm; putting your strong nuc where the laying worker hive is; waited a couple days (hopefully acquiring the foragers) and then shake out the rest and take away the old hive bodies and frames from the laying workers; it is still a combine only your bad hive bees sheepishly have to enter a strong hive that is protecting their queen; where you went wrong was a newspaper combine between a stronger laying worker colony and a weaker queenright colony; very interesting experiment you have but you are starting to run out of time; you need a queenright colony now building for winter; great video wishing you all the best and hoping you have good results
Grrr its like a soap... just when alexis is going to fight with Jr yall gotta wait for the next part.... i hate it.
dude, take the screen out, she will only lay as much as they can keep warm. You will see, not that you let her below she will lay up a storm
She's dead, buddy.
I guess I should not live comment while watching... DUH... The scourge of a chronically queenless hive.
Ha ha...
looks like it just want to die
I'm getting that feeling, but it goes against everything I've learned about bees being survivors.
What even is happening
Friggin laying workers. The worst.