They appear to be great systems, I'm very happy with the choice so far. Hopefully my future video will provide a little more light on my thoughts for this system. Cheers, Nathan.
Thanks Nathan for another very informative, non biased video. I have just bought a new 200 and own a small Jayco van similar to the one you've just sold so your videos are perfect for me. There are a lot of enhancements that can be made to these 200's but I'm loath to do too much to it for a few years as a lot of these changes I think could result in voiding at least part of the warranty. Great information for me for the future though. Cheers
Thanks mate, I'm glad these videos are helping out. The list for modifications never seem to end, but I enjoy to process. For sure, I hear you there. Luckily, my model is a little older so it's not much of a consideration, but something that would influence my decision if I still had warranty.
I have the Manta system, however, went for the no centre muffler just a rear resonator = no drone. One of the best mods and after five years I still love the note.
Nice work on doing this yourself,but I think you will find without a resonator at the back you will get an annoying drone as I found when towing the caravan so wait and see how you go it may not bother you,cheers mate.👍🍻
Cheers mate. I've done a fair bit of driving now with the system on (towing, but not a caravan) and have some thoughts in regards to the 'drone' issue. I'll be sure to talk about my initial thoughts in a couple of weeks. Cheers, Nathan.
Excellent job and video Nathan. It is something I have been considering for quite some time. My concern has always been about the drone while touring so I’ll be keen to hear your thoughts on this in that next test. One other thing have you considered getting an engine remap done so that you can maximise the benefits of the change. I gather that’s about $1500 from Reaper. I’m impressed with the time you took, I’m sure with my procrastination various abuse in removing things it would likely take twice as long. Good advice on the tools thanks very much. Great video👍🏻
Thanks mate! The purchase and install of the exhaust has been on my list for some time now and was extended with the 2 month wait time from Manta. I do have some thoughts on the 'drone' from the new system, so I'll be sure to share these experiences in a couple of weeks. In term of tuning, I am currently booked in (with Reaper) for some work. I'll be sure to document the work and results from this in the form of a video.
@@XploringOz I will be very interested to hear how you go with Reaper, particularly on the value for money. Apart from various Facebook posts which for the most part appear anecdotal, your analytical approach makes it far more believable and then worth the while one way or the other. Thanks again.
Lol andrew you certainly nailed it there with "procrastination and various abuse in removing things" as nathan was quoting the time it took to install the system im thinking "righto thats a near on 2 day job with bark off all over my hands and the neighbors getting a full reminder of my repertoir of profanities !
Nice! Yeah, unfortunately I couldn't measure my EGT temp's before and after, but I'm sure there will be a huge improvement there as well. Sure is mate! Awesome little part of the world. Cheers.
Thanks for the video Nathan. Do you have any EGT comparisons between old and new. I'm assuming a lower EGT with the larger diameter Manta system but would be interesting to see a comparison especially uphill under a towing load.
Cheers mate. So unfortunately I'm unable to compare EGT's side by side as there are no EGT readings from the factory exhaust and I wasn't prepared to spend additional funds to have them installed. There is no doubt that it will have dropped the EGT's somewhat, however I just won't be able to confirm by how much. These vehicles have a function that reduces the vehicles power or load when EGT's get too high, so rather than causing damage to the engine, the driver will experience power loss at extreme temps. Having this system will mean that hopefully it will never get to these high temps, even when towing heavy loads up inclines.
Well done Nathan the 6 flat socket definitely the go I fitted exhaust upgrade to previous car I had t/d Hilux I had machine the o.d. of the socket as well , was worried about stud breakage. My LC is 2017 with dpf not sure if I would gain much performance /consumption cheers Ian.
Thanks Ian, appreciate it mate. I hear you with the DPF model cruiser. I can't say that I've done a huge amount of reading into these systems and the effect that fitting aftermarket exhaust have. When choosing a Landcruiser a few years back, one of the reasons that I leaned towards the 2014 model was the lack of DPF, both for long term reliability and turbo back exhaust install down the track.
Cheers mate. So I've done about 2500/3000km since the system has been fitted and I can't say that there has been a significant change, however there is some difference, whether or not this is a placebo effect, I'm not sure. I'll have a more thorough review in a couple of weeks.
Hey mate, so you're definitely going to want that 6 point 14mm socket for all those tight bolts, however I believe there is a slightly smaller size (can't remember exactly what is was) for the clamp holding the tail pipe. Saying this, that smaller bolt is easily removed with a standard ratchet. Good luck with your install mate.
Cheers mate. Negative, no noticeable loss of power in the low end. Although it's possible there may be some, I haven't seem to have noticed it on regular drives. Still very happy with this system though!
Thanks mate, I'm enjoying it so far. So honestly, no fuel economy improvement, but and this is important, this is because I tend to put my foot down a little more to hear the new exhaust. I will have to be disciplined to try and drive normally to compare the results.
Mate you’ll make a bloke go broke with all these videos. I’m on night shift up at work and I’m already up to $500. The exhaust is a must have I reckon. How goes the drone?
Haha, mate the list never ends... I'm loving this new exhaust and it sounds awesome. I'll be releasing another video (hopefully next week) with my full review including the dreaded drone. Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz I’ll be hanging out to watch it. I bought the ultimate 9 and the ultragauge blue as we drive with hema maps through an iPad mini in the dash. I’ve only just found you on TH-cam and after owning a 105 that I did everything to myself I’ve been weary about doing anything to a $70000 computer controlled cruiser myself but after watching your channel I’ll be doing more myself. I’m actually about to buy the exhaust tonight. What’s another $2500!
@@shaun1e I've also owned a 105 series in the past and what a great reliable vehicle they are. The 200's though are in another league. Awesome power and comfort in comparison. You won't regret the exhaust, I'll release my full thoughts soon, but I'm loving it. Awesome tone, not offensively loud and very pleasant in the vehicle.
Hi Nathan, well done mate, finally getting rite off the Toyota crap system. What a heavy pos it was. What was the weight differences?... Men it took you much to long....Yes, well known it’s a 2.5 k AUD investment!. Nice crissi gift lol! Plenty of company in OZ make fantastic exhaust systems for the 200 series to choose from. See you have no rear muffler only center, means louder then my system which is a Taipan EX quiet system with Vortex and small muffler in rear. Sounds perfect for me and definitely no droning. With a van in tow you hear a bit more sound, guess also draw bar lengths is a factor. Question you feel a power increase ? 10 kw ?! you will not notice with your “butt sensor”. EGT is definitely going down with lesser pipe restriction, guess you gain it back to an acceptable level while chipping the “V8 Donk” or what you think where the gained 50kw goes ! The math is simple: more Diesel + more air = more power = more heat exhaust gas. But got also a question for you: Did you noticed an increase surge noice from the snorkel head when coming from full load? Or is the Donaldson head damping it? On road I run the std Safari head and due to the COVID-19 s.... not able to test it with my Donaldson pre cleaner head on dirt roads. Cheers mate and happy x mas holidays
Thanks mate, it sure was about time I got around to this. It was a long 2 month wait as well... So I didn't officially weigh the systems side by side, however there is no doubt the Manta system is lighter, specifically in the centre muffler area, but I don't think its a huge difference. SO yeah, I forfeited the rear muffler, just for a little V8 note on acceleration. Knowing that all of Manta's components are interchangeable, it re-assuring to know that I can always add this piece in at a later time if I feel it's too loud or disruptive (which is not my thoughts at the moment). So negative, I haven't noticed much of a power increase, perhaps a small increase in torque and low down power, but this could just be a placebo effect... Now that this is fitted, the vehicle is ready to be tuned on a dyne. Like you said, I've got the increased air through the ARMAX, and increased exhaust flow. All that's required now is some servicing, an intake clean and a tune. In regards to the noise from the snorkel, I haven't found it to be a huge amount noisier with the exhaust, however I find the Donaldson head makes the intake quite noisey in the first instance. (I've actually noticed a huge increase in intake noise from fitting and testing a Unifilter air filter, I'll report on this in another video). Have a great Christmas mate!
Having a larger dump pipe and system throughout is going to encourage exhaust gasses to exit the vehicle quickly. This in conjunction with allowing quick air intake (ie. a snorkel) will assist the vehicle in performance gains. Further, it will lower the EGT's (Exhaust Gas Temperatures) and keep the engine at a safe level, along with enable further tuning to provide further performance increases.
@@XploringOz ahhh beaut okay just what i was after. I have a 2.5 straight no mufflers and love it but might need to look at a 3 inch if that's the case
Nice one, Did you consider beaudesert? I cant decide Manta, Beaudesert or even King Brown (made in my home state). Thinking supporting local businesses. Cheers Eric
Hi Eric, So I started by looking at numerous exhaust systems, both cheaper and expensive systems. I choose Manta for a few reasons, being that they have been in the business for a long time, make a huge variety of combinations for the vehicle and more importantly have a consistent and large positive review from many customers. I couldn't find anything negative regarding Beaudesert or King Brown specifically, but the positivity around Manta, particularly for Landcruiser 200 series owners is huge and as a customer I was looking for a quality exhaust that would fit first time without issue. Im pleased to note that Manta have lived up to their expectation in this regard. Cheers, Nathan.
Thanks mate. So, I haven't done any direct testing in regards to emission levels and perhaps this would be better answered by the company themselves. The fact that this vehicle is fitted with catalytic convertors would suggest that the exhaust is still minimising emission output.
So I haven't had any issues with whistling noises. There is no doubt that there is extra wind noise with the roof rack and solar panel etc, however nothing too overbearing and something I'm willing to put up with to carry the extra accessories. It's interesting to hear other's experiences and how they vary from vehicle to vehicle.
Great video Nathan, well filmed, so easy to understand and follow, keep up the excellent work🙂 I’ve also decided on the mantra exhaust system I’m not sure I could fit it, do they charge much to do the install🙂 thanks again for your excellent videos.
Thanks mate, appreciate that 👍 Good choice, I’m loving this system so far, great note and it will allow for some tuning h down the track 👍 I’m assuming a dealer would probably charge 3 hours or so for installation, so maybe a few hundred dollars. Cheers 👍
Hi always good to see ur videos but I can’t find u on Instagram. If u don’t mind can I get ur Instagram that way I’d like to ask some stuff please thanks 🙏🏻
Fitted the same exhaust last week and after the first trip I am very happy with the tone under load and on the highway.
They appear to be great systems, I'm very happy with the choice so far.
Hopefully my future video will provide a little more light on my thoughts for this system.
Cheers, Nathan.
Thanks Nathan for another very informative, non biased video. I have just bought a new 200 and own a small Jayco van similar to the one you've just sold so your videos are perfect for me. There are a lot of enhancements that can be made to these 200's but I'm loath to do too much to it for a few years as a lot of these changes I think could result in voiding at least part of the warranty. Great information for me for the future though. Cheers
Thanks mate, I'm glad these videos are helping out. The list for modifications never seem to end, but I enjoy to process.
For sure, I hear you there. Luckily, my model is a little older so it's not much of a consideration, but something that would influence my decision if I still had warranty.
Great video! Sounds great! Thank you for sharing 😊
I have the Manta system, however, went for the no centre muffler just a rear resonator = no drone. One of the best mods and after five years I still love the note.
Good to hear! I've been very impressed with the system so far and looking forward to doing some sound comparisons.
Looking forward to seeing your next video!!!
Cheers mate!
Nice work on doing this yourself,but I think you will find without a resonator at the back you will get an annoying drone as I found when towing the caravan so wait and see how you go it may not bother you,cheers mate.👍🍻
Cheers mate.
I've done a fair bit of driving now with the system on (towing, but not a caravan) and have some thoughts in regards to the 'drone' issue.
I'll be sure to talk about my initial thoughts in a couple of weeks.
Cheers, Nathan.
Excellent job and video Nathan. It is something I have been considering for quite some time. My concern has always been about the drone while touring so I’ll be keen to hear your thoughts on this in that next test. One other thing have you considered getting an engine remap done so that you can maximise the benefits of the change. I gather that’s about $1500 from Reaper. I’m impressed with the time you took, I’m sure with my procrastination various abuse in removing things it would likely take twice as long. Good advice on the tools thanks very much. Great video👍🏻
Thanks mate!
The purchase and install of the exhaust has been on my list for some time now and was extended with the 2 month wait time from Manta.
I do have some thoughts on the 'drone' from the new system, so I'll be sure to share these experiences in a couple of weeks.
In term of tuning, I am currently booked in (with Reaper) for some work. I'll be sure to document the work and results from this in the form of a video.
@@XploringOz I will be very interested to hear how you go with Reaper, particularly on the value for money. Apart from various Facebook posts which for the most part appear anecdotal, your analytical approach makes it far more believable and then worth the while one way or the other. Thanks again.
Lol andrew you certainly nailed it there with "procrastination and various abuse in removing things" as nathan was quoting the time it took to install the system im thinking "righto thats a near on 2 day job with bark off all over my hands and the neighbors getting a full reminder of my repertoir of profanities !
Nice note, I found my temps dropped 6 degrees with my 3 inch. Cheers for the video. Warren Beach area, pristine 4wding.
Nice! Yeah, unfortunately I couldn't measure my EGT temp's before and after, but I'm sure there will be a huge improvement there as well.
Sure is mate! Awesome little part of the world.
Cheers.
Thanks for the video Nathan. Do you have any EGT comparisons between old and new. I'm assuming a lower EGT with the larger diameter Manta system but would be interesting to see a comparison especially uphill under a towing load.
Cheers mate. So unfortunately I'm unable to compare EGT's side by side as there are no EGT readings from the factory exhaust and I wasn't prepared to spend additional funds to have them installed.
There is no doubt that it will have dropped the EGT's somewhat, however I just won't be able to confirm by how much.
These vehicles have a function that reduces the vehicles power or load when EGT's get too high, so rather than causing damage to the engine, the driver will experience power loss at extreme temps. Having this system will mean that hopefully it will never get to these high temps, even when towing heavy loads up inclines.
Love your video bro learn alot of things
Thanks mate, appreciate it.
Well done Nathan the 6 flat socket definitely the go I fitted exhaust upgrade to previous car I had t/d Hilux
I had machine the o.d. of the socket as well , was worried about stud breakage. My LC is 2017 with dpf not sure if I would gain much performance /consumption cheers Ian.
Thanks Ian, appreciate it mate.
I hear you with the DPF model cruiser. I can't say that I've done a huge amount of reading into these systems and the effect that fitting aftermarket exhaust have.
When choosing a Landcruiser a few years back, one of the reasons that I leaned towards the 2014 model was the lack of DPF, both for long term reliability and turbo back exhaust install down the track.
Another great vid.
Did you find any significant performance improvements after fitting?
Can’t wait for the next vid!
Cheers mate.
So I've done about 2500/3000km since the system has been fitted and I can't say that there has been a significant change, however there is some difference, whether or not this is a placebo effect, I'm not sure.
I'll have a more thorough review in a couple of weeks.
Gday mate looking to do this tomorrow, so it’s a 14mm socket needed for all bolts?
Hey mate, so you're definitely going to want that 6 point 14mm socket for all those tight bolts, however I believe there is a slightly smaller size (can't remember exactly what is was) for the clamp holding the tail pipe. Saying this, that smaller bolt is easily removed with a standard ratchet.
Good luck with your install mate.
@@XploringOz no dramas, thanks very much
Do you need any thread lock?
Hey mate great video !
Did you notice a loss of low end power with the exhaust ?
Cheers mate. Negative, no noticeable loss of power in the low end. Although it's possible there may be some, I haven't seem to have noticed it on regular drives.
Still very happy with this system though!
Thanks for the vid. Love the sound at the end after the water crossing. Have you noticed any improvement in fuel economy?
Cheers!
Thanks mate, I'm enjoying it so far.
So honestly, no fuel economy improvement, but and this is important, this is because I tend to put my foot down a little more to hear the new exhaust.
I will have to be disciplined to try and drive normally to compare the results.
@@XploringOz I found the same when I put an Exhaust on my 14 Sahara, becuase it sounds so good, I tend to bury the loud pedal more often lol!
@@koffeeblack For sure, Amen to that!
Mate you’ll make a bloke go broke with all these videos. I’m on night shift up at work and I’m already up to $500. The exhaust is a must have I reckon. How goes the drone?
Haha, mate the list never ends...
I'm loving this new exhaust and it sounds awesome.
I'll be releasing another video (hopefully next week) with my full review including the dreaded drone.
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz I’ll be hanging out to watch it. I bought the ultimate 9 and the ultragauge blue as we drive with hema maps through an iPad mini in the dash. I’ve only just found you on TH-cam and after owning a 105 that I did everything to myself I’ve been weary about doing anything to a $70000 computer controlled cruiser myself but after watching your channel I’ll be doing more myself. I’m actually about to buy the exhaust tonight. What’s another $2500!
@@shaun1e I've also owned a 105 series in the past and what a great reliable vehicle they are. The 200's though are in another league. Awesome power and comfort in comparison.
You won't regret the exhaust, I'll release my full thoughts soon, but I'm loving it. Awesome tone, not offensively loud and very pleasant in the vehicle.
Hi Nathan, well done mate, finally getting rite off the Toyota crap system. What a heavy pos it was. What was the weight differences?...
Men it took you much to long....Yes, well known it’s a 2.5 k AUD investment!. Nice crissi gift lol!
Plenty of company in OZ make fantastic exhaust systems for the 200 series to choose from. See you have no rear muffler only center, means louder then my system which is a Taipan EX quiet system with Vortex and small muffler in rear. Sounds perfect for me and definitely no droning. With a van in tow you hear a bit more sound, guess also draw bar lengths is a factor. Question you feel a power increase ? 10 kw ?! you will not notice with your “butt sensor”. EGT is definitely going down with lesser pipe restriction, guess you gain it back to an acceptable level while chipping the “V8 Donk” or what you think where the gained 50kw goes ! The math is simple: more Diesel + more air = more power = more heat exhaust gas.
But got also a question for you: Did you noticed an increase surge noice from the snorkel head when coming from full load? Or is the Donaldson head damping it? On road I run the std Safari head and due to the COVID-19 s.... not able to test it with my Donaldson pre cleaner head on dirt roads. Cheers mate and happy x mas holidays
Thanks mate, it sure was about time I got around to this. It was a long 2 month wait as well...
So I didn't officially weigh the systems side by side, however there is no doubt the Manta system is lighter, specifically in the centre muffler area, but I don't think its a huge difference.
SO yeah, I forfeited the rear muffler, just for a little V8 note on acceleration. Knowing that all of Manta's components are interchangeable, it re-assuring to know that I can always add this piece in at a later time if I feel it's too loud or disruptive (which is not my thoughts at the moment).
So negative, I haven't noticed much of a power increase, perhaps a small increase in torque and low down power, but this could just be a placebo effect...
Now that this is fitted, the vehicle is ready to be tuned on a dyne. Like you said, I've got the increased air through the ARMAX, and increased exhaust flow. All that's required now is some servicing, an intake clean and a tune.
In regards to the noise from the snorkel, I haven't found it to be a huge amount noisier with the exhaust, however I find the Donaldson head makes the intake quite noisey in the first instance. (I've actually noticed a huge increase in intake noise from fitting and testing a Unifilter air filter, I'll report on this in another video).
Have a great Christmas mate!
The exit housing on the turbos [stock] is 2.5 inch, what benefit is there getting a 3 inch over a 2.5? seems like overkill?
Having a larger dump pipe and system throughout is going to encourage exhaust gasses to exit the vehicle quickly. This in conjunction with allowing quick air intake (ie. a snorkel) will assist the vehicle in performance gains.
Further, it will lower the EGT's (Exhaust Gas Temperatures) and keep the engine at a safe level, along with enable further tuning to provide further performance increases.
@@XploringOz ahhh beaut okay just what i was after. I have a 2.5 straight no mufflers and love it but might need to look at a 3 inch if that's the case
@@TheSaltySailfish The difference won’t be huge, but noticeable in conjunction with a tune 👍
Nice one,
Did you consider beaudesert?
I cant decide Manta, Beaudesert or even King Brown (made in my home state).
Thinking supporting local businesses.
Cheers Eric
Hi Eric,
So I started by looking at numerous exhaust systems, both cheaper and expensive systems.
I choose Manta for a few reasons, being that they have been in the business for a long time, make a huge variety of combinations for the vehicle and more importantly have a consistent and large positive review from many customers.
I couldn't find anything negative regarding Beaudesert or King Brown specifically, but the positivity around Manta, particularly for Landcruiser 200 series owners is huge and as a customer I was looking for a quality exhaust that would fit first time without issue.
Im pleased to note that Manta have lived up to their expectation in this regard.
Cheers, Nathan.
Hi and thank for all your useful videos.
I want to know does it effect emission level?
Thanks mate.
So, I haven't done any direct testing in regards to emission levels and perhaps this would be better answered by the company themselves.
The fact that this vehicle is fitted with catalytic convertors would suggest that the exhaust is still minimising emission output.
Do you get much whistle with everything on the roof? (awning,rhino rack & maxtrax) our 200 whistles like it's at music concert
So I haven't had any issues with whistling noises.
There is no doubt that there is extra wind noise with the roof rack and solar panel etc, however nothing too overbearing and something I'm willing to put up with to carry the extra accessories.
It's interesting to hear other's experiences and how they vary from vehicle to vehicle.
You’re up early
Scheduled releases, it allows me to release at 4am (EST) every Thursday
Great video Nathan, well filmed, so easy to understand and follow, keep up the excellent work🙂 I’ve also decided on the mantra exhaust system I’m not sure I could fit it, do they charge much to do the install🙂 thanks again for your excellent videos.
Thanks mate, appreciate that 👍
Good choice, I’m loving this system so far, great note and it will allow for some tuning h down the track 👍
I’m assuming a dealer would probably charge 3 hours or so for installation, so maybe a few hundred dollars.
Cheers 👍
Does it need to be programmed? Is the sensor in the exhaust canceled ?!
Negative, there are no sensors in the LC200 exhaust (pre 2015 models) as there is no DPF. This system will work straight after install.
Excellent, can I install on land ((gasoline))
@@user-dg8zi5pp7y Manta sure do make a system to suit the gasoline version as well
Just wondering what u do with the oem exhaust throw away?
Yeah, I'll probably see if I can get a little money from the catalytic convertors, but otherwise, it's not worth much.
Hi always good to see ur videos but I can’t find u on Instagram. If u don’t mind can I get ur Instagram that way I’d like to ask some stuff please thanks 🙏🏻
Thanks mate! Our Facebook and Instagram links are tagged in most of the descriptions of the videos posted. Let me know how you go!
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz oh thanks for responding I’ve got 2020 tlc later on can I ask u some stuff by the way I’m writing from Canada good to meet u. Tom
@@tangadchingis1886 No problems mate, glad you are enjoying the channel. For sure, send us a message if you have any questions. Nice to meet you.