WARFRAME | The Change in the Erra Cinematic is substantial - Devil in the Details?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2024
- So... there are two different variants of the Erra Cinematic, part of a three act prelude to the New War, and while that's not a big deal, the change itself has pretty significant implications.
0:00 Intro
4:03 "Erra's" Change
5:47 Updated Cinematic
8:30 Discussing What's New
10:18 The Caves of Academe
12:40 If you've seen, you've been touched
14:10 You get a deal, and you get a deal!
15:30 Presentism vs Eternalism
18:00 We're all alone together
19:20 The Great War
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I wanted to add a quick note... I'm not saying DE changed this cinematic as a fourth wall break. While that would be very cool, I moreso believe the updated aspect follows the narrative they have chosen to go with moving forward. Most who have played for a while know the eyes of the man in the wall have changed multiple times at this point over the years, so the change isn't what was interesting, rather what was changed, and based on what we were originally shown, the implications do change I think pretty drastically, and that was the point of this video. I've seen a bit of confusion in the comments, felt it was best to just address it all here. And... I love the change, because it definitely makes more sense now.
You touched on "depending on how many tenno log in" to fight Wally. Imagine if that's how the game ends, a group effort to rack up enough damage or attacks or participation in order to defeat him, and the result dictates the game's epilogue. Maybe we all win and we're all gods of hard-fought void inheritance. Or maybe we're broken and failed wretches, shadows of our former selves, doomed to a universe under a tyrant Wally.
A final battle to determine whether we, the tenno, are worthy to save the multiverse and win the game, or not enough, letting everyone, including ourselves, down.
Imagine the news of the latter - "Over a decade-long game reaches its climax, only for the players to fail their final battle, consigning the world to devastation!"
Bro... So far DE has purposefully broken the 4th wall, especially with crossplay (a rather dashing individual).
you know that last part about a potential war with wally reminds me of something. the tenno are often referred to as demons. in the bible the first demons were fallen angels. angels that went against god. or in this case, it would be the tenno against wally.
Wait til you see the video I have planned on the trinity and it's ties to warframe, I think you'll really enjoy it, but yeah, like an inverse biblical depiction of the final battle... or are we the demons after all?
@@TheDsIEGEwell void angels are already taken so we take what we can get
Like a well written protagonist we will doubt or morals and may even believe ourselves evil but then we will redeem ourselves at the very end ... thts how I feel it may pan out
@@TheDsIEGEI suspect your answer in-game with the choices actually explains whether you are- or aren’t.
have people actually taken to the given name wally? thats adorable
Mag applying the trickster ephemera to that sentient got it shook lol
That's how you do it, lol!
When I saw that the Tenno had lifeless black eyes, it made me think they didn't "Awaken" yet, and The Lotus was using their Void Power to Subdue Erra until their awakening happened fully.
I'm sorry if that sounds confusing, but I try to follow the story and make sense of it all since I specialize in explaining the mechanics in this game.
Been playing when it came out for Xbox One back in 2014.🥃
I noticed this when I was watching a friend of mine doing these quests for the first time! It's such a weirdly specific thing to change.. I'm SUPER interested to see how this plays out, since it was obviously important enough for them to change.
It can't be an accident... It's just too significant a change!
I remember the main thing I took away from the Erra cutscene back in the day is wondering why our reservoir was so special? Those golden pods, in some grand waterfall room while all the rest of the Tenno are seemingly just tucked away underground. Obviously we know that our Tenno IS special, as the one who made the deal but I kind of doubt the orokin knew that, or would want to create a special reservoir in honor of that
My headcanon is our Tenno showed great promise during the testing phase for transference or became the de facto leader for the zariman survivors. Most likely it was just for gameplay purposes though
@@Muzza1993probably a combination of rallying the other Zariman children and seeing some shit during the old war.
At the beginning of the game on the Vor's Prize quest, Vor himself says that this one (refering to us) was stronger than the others, which means lore wise our Tenno is stronger than the rest of them, and im certain the Orokin would also have noticed something like that in the old war.
but from the moon cutscene, we came from exactly the same kind of pod , and it comme from bellow. This is just where all pods are stored , and in the moon cutscene we pick our own
Try swapping your tenno's eye color to a brightly glowing green or something very noticeable and it makes spotting changes easier.
And sometimes, it's not an intentional change to the game, it's a bug in the spaghetti code with a shader or somesuch. Keep in mind, they changed a LOT in character customization since that cutscene came out, hell, kinda like how the leaves on earth ferns and oberon spawned ones flicker with black polygons uncontrollably on PS5.
If we ever have a fight with the Man in the Wall, it would be cool if it were like the Ur Dragon from Dragon's Dogma, where the dragon shares a single health pool and the different Arisen deal some damage per mission.
It would be really cool. I'd really, really, REALLY like to see this made into a raid if it's gonna happen, ngl...
Until the mr30s (me included) rock up with weapons that regularly hit 3mil damage. And don't give anyone else a chance to fight it.
Its entirely possible if they do make it a raid they have you use specific weapons, that'd be interesting, a true test of skill rather then our guns
That's basically the Fomorians and the Razor back. Which is certainly plausible since they already have essentially the means for this in the game. I was thinking more that this might be return of raids, well a raid at least anyways. But why not both?
I started a second account and yes I noticed some subtle changes here and there. But I also noticed that Eternalism was already teased when void relics get intrduced if you follow Ordis his description
When do you think Era archon will be added as a fight and learn who pazuul is? Also out of all of the archons era is the only one who can talk, and who isn't a warframe body
I'm not sure... It seems like DE is about to lean into the man in the wall so until that gets done, unless it's in a smaller update, it might not be for a while.
All the archons talk when I’m on my way to take their shard every week
@@johnsherry6021No, they don't. Pazuul talks about them, Lotus talks about them, but they themselves never say anything.
My conspiracy is Puzuul is Erra reborn or something
If my 10 years of playing warframe have taught me something, it's that when new things or gamemodes are released by DE, it will take approximately two to three years of them completely forgetting that thing exists to actually resurface with new updates on said thing
I mean i love Warframe lore but you make it even better and explain a lot of the twists that i couldn't think of TY sIEGE .
excellent video as always.
Thank you!!! I'm glad you enjoyed it!!!
I know this is the most disappointing possibility but my take is that it's a bug. Like how Ordis was backwards or inside out or something for a long time, making him look like he had identical cracks on multiple sides of his body. That is a pretty interesting theory for sure though.
The thing is, why only our tenno has the white eyes? If it was a bug, all would be fixed. Its not like we can equip either of those eyes in game só it must be tailor made for the cutscene. As someone with a potato pc I can say that the cutacene is rendered in real time. We would need a dataminer to check if the model had the black eyes before the cutscene, since in case of a bug they are either behind the white ones, or floating around the scenario misplaced
I think I found when this Change was made. So before the new war I was replaying playing and recording the quests before. But you could not replay the Erra quest at that time. But when the update for the new war was out before I played the quest I checked and it was replayable so I replayed it and recorded it (didn’t notice the change) and after that I went and played the new war. But after seeing the change in this video I went and watched my own video and the change was there so the new war update must be when the change occurred.
Sucks that we don't know if this is true or not, but I'm hoping with DE's track record that they pull something this Kojima-styled.
It'd be such a cool way of integrating the fact that we somehow don't know how many Tenno there actually are. Surely a finite number of humans were shipped aboard the Zariman, right? Shouldn't we have a hard figure, and one that keeps going down since there's no way for new Tenno to be created?
Unless... something cosmically fishy is going on, where the infinitude of possible Tenno from all versions of reality blip into and out of Warframe's prime reality altogether seamlessly, as if they were part of the narrative from the beginning. And perhaps not only that, infinite realities supposes that perhaps some version of reality sees us existing in Warframe's far future, and that our Tenno are analogues for ourselves. Spooky.
As per Eternalism, all of this is true (including the possible ways of it being false), especially due to the time the Zariman had been in the Void perpetuating forks in every single decision ever possibly made for the Zariman 10-0, including possibilities of it being from an entirely different civilization (i.e: Dark Sector, unreleased version) of humans or having been displaced to all other possible pasts, presents, and futures resulting in additional forks from those points in possible time.
This could mean that a copy of the Zariman could've reached Tau without a hitch on time and started colonizing - then the Sentient came and settled with them before plotting revenge on the Orokin Empire. Or arriving late and being welcomed by the Sentient with open arms due to shared animosity toward the Orokin.
While it's conjecture, the Void's opening-ends nature has me accept all of these possibilities as equally valid.
This might just be an unintended effect of them later adding the tenno "wally" eye effect and how the customized player character tenno is rendered or called into the scene since it is in an in-engine replay as a cutscene. A retroactive little fuck up isn't uncommon in scripting of this kind when new visual elements are introduced later into the relevant files or tables.
Not to say looking at this from a lore angle isn't interesting too
i saw that ballas' eyes are also different now during the cutscenes of the apostasy prologue and the sacrifice. they're similar to the operator's eyes when controlled by the man in the wall
Personally, I would not want to "fight" the man in the wall in a sort of raid style battle or event or whatever else, because it would ruin the way his character is written, as a sort of greater external even lovecraftian force that seemingly aids us because it's in his interest and that by fighting him in a direct battle like that it would sort of take away the power he has, us not being able to fight him would make him much more threatening of a force than any kind of battle they could ever design, because of the inherent powerlessness of not being able to fight wally.
Also in the handshake scene, you can see all our other versions dying, which i took to mean that if you think of eternalism as a sort of superposition then what wally did was collapse it leaving only two realities the operator and the drifter which then later essentially fuse into one during the new war quest, meaning essentially what the players tenno has is linear time, not eternalism, or some sort of control over how events play out in their reality by being able to redo events(missions/quests) which functions similar to the drifters time travel powers in duviri.
And what i think then what changed is during the new war quest is that the lotus made a deal with Wally, giving Wally power over the Lotus of the past changing the Erra scene retroactively. Similarly the contact Dr. Entrati had with Wally would then give Wally not only power over his present/future, but also over his past possibly explaining what we see in warframe 1999 which being Wally changing the past. Since the power to control time itself seems possible with the void.
I don’t think we’ll ever truly have a fight to “kill” wally. Just “defeat” him. A good ending would be us somehow cutting wally off from the origin system/our universe, and losing our abilities with it. Another would be that the Tenno in the end do become part of the void(after duviri is fully absorbed) and we lock ourselves and wally in the void, similar to rell but more permanently.
POV: Dr Entrati says you're late and kills your game for it
Hey DsIEGE, What a perfect way to relax after my Archon fight--- with some good 'ol Warframe lore/discussion and a big cup of coffee 😅✌(unfortunately its not that new Lotus brand coffee Rebecca showed on stream) Cant wait to hear what u got for us this week. Cheers!
Well, congrats on the fight, and get ready because we're minutes from starting!!!!
wait... WARFRAME COFFEE??? where can I purchase? :D
Lotus brand coffee ☕? How/where how much? 👀
You should try the black lotus. From Stygia. It's the best.
You notice our character is the only character slightly smiling? In the second version of the Erra scene. We have his eyes and smile.
I agree that a confrontation with The Man In The Wall would be epic, but you have to wonder how it would even be possible. The Tenno are entirely lifted by his presence. The advent of Transference, all of our void powers, are like a trickle of The Man In The Wall's energy. For all the Tenno have done, for all they have accomplished, it still seems like they only represent a miniscule fraction of The Man In The Wall's true scope. A confrontation on that scale would first require a major shake-up of the current status quo.
I like this theory though, keep up the good work.
Oh god this gives cross save a whole new meaning when it comes out.
Gotta say, I discovered your channel recently and I love it. But on another subject, will there ever be a discussion point about void angels and their significance to the war that may happen between the Tenno and Wally. Only reason I bring this up is because I feel like they aren’t part of Wally’s faction now that we know of the new faction coming in the whispers in the walls update and even before that I felt that the void angels appearance was a direct contrast to the rough and Stoney appearance of Wally.
I can certainly put that on the white board for a future video! Be happy to look into that. I'm working on a three part new war vid, but after that might be a good time to dig into them and maybe the archons too.
Holy shit I saw this when my girlfriend was playing through Erra and was like
"Oh what a weird bug, yeah all of their eyes are supposed to be glowing thats funny."
I didn't realise it was a change!
Yeah I had to play through it four different times to confirm I was actually seeing it. But... It's real and it's a big bread crumb if you ask me.
I always thought the glowing wasn't the lotus commanding the tenno but rather that the tenno were controlling the lotus
if you look at the cut scene that occures if you die in operator focused story quests i believe that is the cube turning to void our death and keep the story going. also if you look back at 1999 on the floor of the train station you can see imagery of duality the religion before the vain faith.
Honestly I a had always assumed that the offering of power to the tenno was something that did happen to every single tenno individually. When we make the deal we see what appears to be all of our potential timeliness collapsing into only two: the operator and the drifter. So I could see it as him collapsing all tenno timelines together as well. Though I think more accurately we all have our own separate timelines where we made a deal with the man in the wall, but when he collapsed our timelines individually that means that every tenno in our individual timeline would have been "collapsed". So I think now what it truly is is that all of our deminsions/timelines are overlapped with eachother and we are being used as the lynchpins holding this coalescing of realities together. So guess I'm positing less of a "we pick which timeline were in" but more of a "we exist in all timelines simultaneously" including the one where we are the main character and ones where we aren't. This would even provide reason as to why quests largely can't be played together because while we all exist in all timelines there are certain actions that are incompatible with other tennos "main" timelines. Idk just a thought
Great video good sir! Glad I was able to make the premier.
Thank you and Thank you for being here as well! I appreciate that!!!
@@TheDsIEGE It's been a couple years since I played Warframe but all of a sudden a few weeks ago your videos started being recommended again to me.
WHAT IF. the reason the eyes are black is because, as you mention, they are other tenno. "playable" tenno, yet not the protagonist of our story? because we have never ever, really played with other tenno that had names outside of rell. yet we never saw his eyes, from our perspective, it could be a way to describe those tennos that are "blind" to the truth and aware of the other versions of themselves? kinda like a player would see an NPC. we have a light they dont have.
I would agree with this and it could be right, but the hollow children reference seems to be relevant here. Tough to say but... I wonder if we'll find out why in the next quest.
Woahhhh This is an interesting theory... I'm excited to see where this story continues!!!
Me too! It's just weird it would be changed...
We are all the Chosen One.
But why were we chosen?
I have a theory that the Drifter and Duviri happened "first" and when the Man in the Wall witnessed a mortal ascend to power in the Void, he searched Eternalism for a version of the Drifter that he could influence. The Drifter was beyond his reach because there was no deal in that timeline. But a deal with us allowed him to leak a bit of himself into Duviri through our connection with the Drifter.
Or maybe i'm completely wrong.
I like where you're going, but I think it's a bit of a stretch. The change was possibly made for visual clarity, though the Hollow Children do sound somewhat similar to what we now see. It definitely seems too different to be a mere accidental change brought about by graphics design changes, but I hesitate to put any lore significance on it just yet.
It very well could be, but there's got to be a reason for the change. I just want to know why and further why it doesn't show up on any patch notes that I could find...
Not sure if I am imagining it but the background static noise that occurs when Erra speaks sounds suspiciously like Void Tounge. If so it would certainly have lore implications.
What a great video!!!❤❤
Stellar video brother. Ive played wf since release of ps4 and man the build up for a war with the man in the wall has grown immensely. I hope we have a world event with shifting wallys that we have to bring our best gear and builds to. Some real end game (but not really the end) type gameplay...
ngl, I've been searching for fellow lore nerds for a while now. Can't wait to join this community for the upcoming story arc!
I always thought that The Man In The Wall was part of the quest, cuz of that knocking. Sure, it could be damage to the outside of the area, but it just sounds TOO much like his knocking...
Yeah, I had a theory that there is one main tenno (let's say Tenno Prime)
Each player is that same Tenno, but in each universe, he looks different depending on the player
So when we play together there is no meeting 4 tenno in same universe
But 4 instances of that main tenno in universe of the one who is hosting
I think it was not a retcon or narrative change but to make it slightly less subtle. In the follow up convo in the original version the man in the wall backhandedly implies that we have been deceived but I think changing the eyes of our tenno makes it a little more obvious
@TheDsIEGE The Tenno The Lotus appears with also correspond with the total number of Tenno Schools, plus our character. It might be that The Lotus appeared with what amounts to the Leadership among the Tenno, when confronting Erra. Which raises the interesting question if our character, due to our leadership seen on the Zariman, is something of a "First among equals" when it comes to leading the Tenno.
Okay, hear me out.
Man behind the wall has us set and stone our path, leading to this like a chain of dominos. Some differ in ways of characters like in your choices, slightly different but we all had the same timeline. I could go on about all three paths yet this'll come forward much later but this is where it gets increasingly interesting. Just why? Why the shadow pops in randomly, the lotus barely makes light of anything that has to do with what we saw during the end of the new war or even why we are still alive even after being seemingly killed? Unlike other people the tenno has two lives, can't kill them without the other like a flip of a coin just being there yet all before that is the visions of the past and much more. This man behind the wall is the outsider looking in, seeing the twists and turns like it was puppet show, a grandmasters play with us as performer and witness. Each time we even see our shadow, it relates to us like family "hey kido" make a guess this is lines up more so cause even the Duvri the difter themselves needed a chance for things to change like another part to play. Soul reason why even the lotus even not telling us anything we saw this thing come into our world with a grin and shadow fully relaxed like everything as it should play out. Whatever is going to happen next is going to happen, it's a matter of who you are may change the outcome. Will you be cold and collective? How able honest and emotional? For myself and maybe like you too, we choose a balance. Live well, fight strong and fly free tenno, cheers.
Its interesting when replaying the quest, how it can feel something off about em, even if you have played them 100 of times, the smallest change can make it feel off, gotta love how this games progress
The interesting thing about the artwork depicting the Island of Academe is that the rock patterns match the Murmur lands in the Entrati labs.
After watching now, I wonder if its of importance that after The New War, you can see clouds of lightning in the background of The Lotus's chambers. Maybe it is Wally and the void around her reacts to it?
I love the point of her helmet hiding her eyes too. Very minute detail.
Amazing video! Definitely makes it nerve-wracking.
I just noticed how Erra's talk always end with that magnet thingy's sound. I can't recall its name but you probably know it. When two oval shaped magnets touch and they vibrate by the collision. Didn't noticed it until now (after I finished the newest quest, Jade shadows)
Also in the updated cinematic, we can hear the void tongue MUCH MUCH clearer when lotus appears with kids after "let her go" quote
I kinda like this Sunday vid release. Maybe make that a thing. I would actually work the video into my Sunday show watching routine. 😁
I'll see what I can do!
I doubt you were able to notice this because of the color of your op but if you have it to a color that is more obvious then black for some reason your operator suit uses your colors instead of the normal one every one else in the cutscene is using for some reason
I noticed that on the second recording while I was going over the footage! It has to mean something!
I only recently played the new war after coming back to the game and i honestly thought it was just a thing used by the devs to make you more clearly understand that your specific tenno was in that scene, in the event someone just doesn't recognize it from the face/hair alone.
Like, not something with storytelling depth but rather put there to ease comprehension of the scene
The cube looks eerily familiar isn't it? Maybe because it's annoying and broken...
Anyway...
There is no linear way of this...
And it's very difficult to maintain an anti-narrative story telling...
Especially when the 7 is so busy with others...
Someone finally listens and looks...
Are you sure that's lua??
Amazing Work as Always...
Swazdo-lah killer...
Stay safe...
Whispers in the wall can't come out fast enough... any chance any of this will be talked about then?
@@TheDsIEGE
Look at the backdrop of that prologue...
That's a beautiful lotus farm don't you think?
Where's that again?
I suggest knocking on the right door...
Amazing work as always...
Interdimensional war what an Idea dude hope that is a thing we get to do soon
You know I played the new war day of release and I did NOT notice that lotus could be the new target host. He was wearing her helmet, moved toward her before disappearing. And that damn smile like he knows something we don’t.
I’m having a hard time keeping up but maybe the hollowed eyed children are the children that didn’t get saved from the Zaramin
i tend to replay the quest pretty offen also the wall pictogram in war within hints that a majority of older quest will receive a change. it tends to be inbetween the updates as the story shifts. also there are still more hints in game that may shift as we play and replay the content and yes replay shift the multivers to your chaarcter, but only you first choice on account locks your account in a set direction.
In and ready
Same 😁😎💪🏼🫶🏻‼️‼️‼️
ALMOST THERE!
"I'm the only family you've got left"
Praghasa will remember that
Oooo I’m excited 💅
Not too long now!!!
The handshake spawned all those realities as that was the fulcrum, where all the varied agreements we Could make at that time each spawned their own version of reality where their agreement was the one made. That's what that scene about the handshake was saying.
Okay, you said that like 2 minutes later... I'm just an impatient cunt apparently lmao
The concept of the 4th wall break is pretty mind blowing. That said, in the "real" world, we still exist with the theory of Presentism. So it would stand to reason that the theory that we would be fighting interdimensionally is probably going to be something that would be considered end game for Warframe. Meaning this would be the battle that ended Warframe. I believe Warframe 1999 is most likely the beginning of this war as The Man in the Wall in disguise as Albrecht Entrati is now in the past influencing the linear timeline. The question is, will it affect our timeline? And if it does, will we be able to change as well? Who knows, maybe the interdimensional warfare is represented by the sides of the cube. Each side of the cube a possible outcome. Maybe in terms of game play those sides of the cube are like relays we have to protect or else they get destroyed? Then the ones that remain intact keep the game alive.
Eternalism also explains why none of the planetary bosses die. It's the same boss from another tennos universe.
Also, why when you enter the same place again, like same base (node in the game) it is never the same.
Yeah, and we are meeting in the host universe. That's why host migration exists, all 3 are migrating to new universe
I know I’m two weeks late but i wanna add on to what you brought up about there being the adult version and the younger versions of the same Tenno. Maybe I’m making something out of nothing but it reminded me of the void flood mission. Archimedean Yonta leads the mission as her adult self but in the mission we are introduced to skittergirl who is the child version of her. Maybe that can prove that.
There’s one thing that I noticed that I haven’t really seen anyone else mention(someone may have just not to my knowledge): when the wall appears at the end of the new war, our doppelganger is sitting on top. I just wonder if that implies that the doppelgänger and the “man in the wall” are separate entities. Could the doppelgänger be a re-elected representation of the player themselves? Is the man in the wall the literal depiction of the 4th wall?
I remember the old version and also that some time ago, pre new war, man in the wall invocation and appearances all had very black eyes
Depending on how much control Wally has over the Void (i.e. if he *is* the Void or only *within* it), sealing Wally away could seal our powers and millenia of Void Tech away for good, leaving the world in perhaps a Soulframe-like medieval state.
To cosmic forms from tangent planes, we end as we began.
You ain't kiddin, kiddo.
I really need to replay all the main story quests. Because I hardly remember this cinematic in the first place...
this is unrelated to this video but i wanted to put it on a more recent video for you to see
something that changed my entire perspective of Wally recently is also something that I have not seen anybody talk about...
In Duviri, if you find Sythel in her barred up house, one of the things she says is, "The first scholar looked into the Void and he feared it. And his fear took shape. Do you understand? That's how all this started."
Pretty much everyone I've talked with or listened to about Wally talk about Wally as though he's an entity that originates from, or is an embodiment, of the Void. Which is what I previously thought, but Sythel directly states that The Man in the Wall was the first ever case of Conceptual Embodiment (from a Zariman tablet in Duviri: Q: What is Conceptual Embodiment? A: Concepts taking on form in the Void.) There are a ton of things in Duviri that talk about how travel through the void requires a calm mind, because the Void manifests emotions, thats what the entire story of Duviri is about, its a story book for children to teach them about how they need to calm the dragons of their emotions lest they become real in the Void. And what do we know of Albrecht's first ever voyage into the Void? He was terrified of it. He feared that he would die empty in that void, losing all of himself. So thus, the Void, given its very first ever interaction with emotion, took shape, just as Sythel says. The Man in the Wall did not exist before Albrecht Entrati first voyaged into the Void. It couldn't have.
I think it would be neat (but not at all likely) if the Man in the Wall wasn't some ancient cosmic entity, but perhaps some flaw in the otherwise pure chaos of the Void, that was created when Albrecht Entrati crashed into the Void. When parts of the mundane "real world" touched the limitless untime.
Later, when the Zariman Ten Zero colony ship crashed during a void jump, a bunch of "lesser defects" were created in the already shattered mirror that is the Void.
And that's how the void-touched Tenno gained their powers, and the real-touched void spawned worlds like Duviri.
In this view Rell wasn't fighting THE man in the wall, but HIS man in the wall.
I am very excited about the story and lore implications of the 'Whispers in the Wall' and '1999' updates. I wonder if Albrecht is intentionally trading places with his Man in the Wall whenever he goes into that stasis / cryopod. Becoming the scholar in Duviri and releasing his void mirror counterpart to exist in the real.
Waiiit so I got a really weird theory now. The player ( us ) play the Tenno that lives the quests and stuff and do the story and so further. I always wonder what the other Tenno are doing? Like are they doing their own quests and stuff? That doesn’t make sense. So I think that our Tenno was the first Tenno to make the deal with the man in the wall. The man made a deal to that tenno to save all the children abort the zariman. When this deal happened Wally killed off all variants of our Tenno until two remained. One that would leave the void and one that would stay. My guess is that he wanted a controllable entitle inside both realms so he could infest our realm with his body essentially becoming one with our realm. To multiply his succes he made it so the rest of the children also lost all their variants until two remained. BUT he did not see it coming that they had contingency plans in the form of the book of duviri. And so our Tenno made duviri real and with the powers granted from Wally himself our Tenno made sure that they where save inside duviri from the void.. This way Wally didn’t have access to any of the children and his plan failed. For some reason the whole zariman ship got also encased inside duviri. The adults who where at this point totally crazy and murder machines forgot who they where because of the extreme emotions they were feeling. All of the children who’s second variant was to remain inside the void also stayed in duviri. The rest of duviri’s history is probably reality fabrication as elements of the zariman and the book of duviri merged and slowly shaped duviri. If you want to read the rest of the theory see the comments of this comment as I don’t what this to be too long.
So here is the rest:
Now comes why our Tenno is the one that is playing the quest. It has to do with fate. The destiny that Wally created for our Tenno when he killed off all the variants. He shaped it to be about him. To release him and ultimately him using our Tenno to infest our realm. And ofcourse when duviri was created he couldn’t do that anymore. So he needed some way that he could enter duviri. Comes in the lotus and the hollow children. Erra here mentions that the lotus has her eye in the void and later on Natah says that she has seen the man in the wall. This tells me that she was then tained by Wally so she could control the Tenno to then kill Erra. This resulted into our Tenno briefly be exposed to Wally. He wants our Tenno as we are the one that made the deal in the first place. This also creates the “twin image” that Wally needs. But he also has the other children but he doesn’t do anything with them. This results in the hollow children or their “twin images”. Puppets created by Wally but not being controlled by him as he is only after us. In duviri those hollow children suddenly spawns. However the children from the zariman are no longer children and grew up as is our drifter. And so they encounter their young versions. This makes Wally happy as he can utilise them but Dominus Thrax destroy the island and so the hollow children with it not before showing us that duviri’s defence is slowly failing with the broken free orowyrm. After that Rell is the one that notices the man in the wall and tries to stop him. We that now know the truth about us being Tenno and us unlocking more of our power and so with it again unlock our “twin image” be free Rell and with it Wally to freely use our image. Our drifter is now also free meaning they are also fulfilling their sort of destiny of merging the variants together. Why does Wally does this? Because of Albrecht entrati. He was the first inside the void. He was the one that opened up the gate of both realms. He was the one that showed the void that there is more outside the void. He gave Wally the cravings of going outside. Now he made an exact image of Albrecht too but I don’t think Wally already had the idea of concurring our realm. But Albrecht gets scared nonetheless so he studies the void extensifly in order to make some fail safes. What does he do? He locks himself away. He realises that the zariman children can’t have escaped without the help of Wally and realises that they are mere puppets for the Wall to use. And he gets scared that he too was all this time a puppet and locks himself away. All the while his actual image ( Wally ) enters our world and tries to manipulate the timeline or some sorts as we can see him being in 1999. There is also another possibility as to how he knows that he is a puppet. He studies the void and with that comes across duviri. He manages to enter it and studies duviri with his own laboratory. He then finds out what this actually is and returns to the normal realm.
This really falls in line with the theory that I’m writing 😱
I hope if we do end up fighting him we seal him away, but not before pieces of him break off into the solar system and they manifest into archon-like bosses
"I'm the only family you have left" - Erra
What about hunhow?
Definitely a "fishy" scene for certain and this just makes it more suspect.
Are you planning on doing any more theories about Wally and the void?
looks like we both got to the same conclusion through similar means lol
I thought about it when I finished the new war and was taking a break to absorb all the info, and that's when I thought about multiplayer being eternalistic and canonic in warframe, while at the same time "there's only" us as a singular tenno, also in canon
Just a question: in the replay from that mission, our tenny got red eyes, but is it the same for een tenno that plays that same mission for the first time. because the new tenno never met wally jet??
@theDsiege I like your theory that a potential endgame would be a grand interdimensional war between The Man in the Wall and the Tenno. Digital Extremes would need a hell of a lot more servers to get that working as a pvp or pve experience though. Right now servers just overload whenever they show new stuff during Tennocon because a big chunk of the player base logs in at the same time.
I am looking forward to more of your lore and theory videos. Maybe for some other games too?
18:18 I have similar thoughts a while ago. So long ago that I don't even remember when exactly. I tried to explain this to others in few occasions, but couldn't formulate right, so i just forgot about this. When i started playing dark souls a year ago, I thought that it has somehow similar multiplayer aspects with ghosts/messages/phantoms "bleeding from other parallel worlds into ours".
However I think that specifically Erra cinematics might be an oversight. They clearly changed the graphics, as first thing I noticed was glowing parts on sentients. Looks like they changed visuals of void-controlled eyes, making them bleached operator eye colours instead of plain black-gold, however I'm not sure. But if it's the case, and if those tenno don't see eye colours set, the shader might just go wild and show pure blackness. We might even trying to write a bug report about this :D However they don't often respond with whether things are bugged or not.
I couldn't trigger Wally to appear in orbiter.
But I watched your video "The True Nature of the Void Entity", and at 13:14 (in that video) it seems to be an old footage of the quest: eyes are black gold, while your real are blue. But in this video 8:30 it's ligher shade of gold, almost white, while your real eyes are white. When I checked that cinematics, my eyes had purple tint, and real eyes are purple and green. So visuals are def changed and may be bugged too. Other operators might always have had no eye colour data, but we wouldn't see it because eyes were a fixed material instead of customizable.
I have a batshit insane idea with the wally fight it's a segway to Soulframe
Why is the duviri wyrm music playing in this cut scene?
My brain is melted
Since the New War came out I always wondered why there was only 1 Tenno fighting. Guess I got my answer here!
I hope they do somthing with hunhow I feel like there under using him what are your thoughts on hunhow tho it does seem like he's waiting for somthing or someone
I feel as if we are going to be fighting the Warframe version of Darkseid, if we do fight him anytime soon.
i saw warframe lore, i clicked subscribe button. i’m a simple person
Sorry in advance if my babbling won't be in any order and a bit hard to read, but I have an interesting theory and not to much time to write it 😅
If Wallie can change into anyone and knows the future then... what if the person that abandoned Rell before putting all the Tenno into criocapsules wasn't Margulis but Wallie himself (either by copying her appearence or doing some mind tricks to her)? As we know the Void reacts strongly to emotions and that made Rell with his autism the most powerful Tenno to date. Wallie could know that too and thus made sure that he will never be strong enough to be a real danger to him. And his exile and bonding to Harrow was his plan all along, since he *knew* that someday our Tenno will destroy that connection and make Rell go 💀.
That rain of chains from Duviri log might be the day when Rell cut Wallie from main timeline, and since Dominus - the Rell from Duviri timeline - was too arrogant and childlike to stop him in any way, he begun having fun in there while waiting for the blockade to drop.
Also I'm pretty sure The Man In The Wall can be killed - Albrecht scarred him permanently by cutting off his finger. That could be a good argument to my theory: Wallie was afraid of Rell since he can be harmed, and I think the dude that was able to stop him from entering our timeline's WHOLE UNIVERSE for hundreds of years while barely alive could be a huge threat if he was fully trained and prepared.
Maybe the main point of killing him will be finding the timeline where Rell is alive and in his (hehe) prime. We don't have kill Wallie, moreover from what we know about him that's pretty much beyond our strenght (at least for now). But we can be messengers in this conflict: all we have to do is deliver the right guy to the right place.
I always dismissed Wally's eyes being weird as some kind of visual glitch but maybe there's something to it.
Hold the phone, I did not do the duviri codex entries, but this is huge based on just the 12:19 entry. If you're interested, please read the whole thing, because I go over many bits of lore that are completely re-contextualized by this. Spoilers, obviously.
I had always thought the Orokin were doing a PR move to save face when they said "There were no children on the Zariman". But there were really no children on the Zariman.
We're able to switch with an adult version of ourselves, and it's never explained why that one grew older while our tenno didn't. More than that, it makes sense as to why Teshin does not reveal to the Drifter who exactly is helping them. With this new information that on that island, the adults saw copies of themselves when they were younger, it makes much more sense that the tenno are in fact the adults of the zariman, reverted to a much younger age and creating fake memories of the event to cope with what happened.
It makes no sense that children would be in the middle of learning highly advanced void physics, let alone while already boarded onto the Zariman - but it makes sense if those were not children's classrooms, but orientation to help the colonists both survive the journey as well as be able to create a proper colony once they arrive.
The crew of the zariman was copied and de-aged, including reverting their minds to a much earlier state. Thanks to now being in the void, Wally was able to copy them as void constructs, instead of the copies being him manifesting. So they remembered they were in school, and that their parents were nearby. They re-contextualized it with the Zariman, and due to the obvious resemblance to their adult selves, they thought those were their parents. The original crew was obviously horrified at the sight of copies of themselves as children, and may have started trying to kill them out of the obvious self-preservation instinct that kicks in during Uncanny Valley moments. The "kids" reacted and some started killing, others started hiding, and others reluctantly defended themselves.
At least one, our tenno's original version, the colonist, may not have reacted violently to their child version at first, even while terrifying, and their first words to the copy were something along the lines of a stuttered "Hey... kiddo..", which is why Wally finds it so humorous to keep repeating that line over and over again - and it's always in your own voice, but somehow altered. And who else do we know who speaks in such casual terms as "hey kiddo"? The drifter. The original crew member, who escaped the massacre of the Zariman and was not found on the Zariman by the orokin, by grace of accidentally creating the Plains of Duviri - likely the drifter locked themselves into a room and tried to weather the storm, and picked up the closest book to read it. Their imagination took over, and through being in the void, unwittingly created and disappeared into the Duviri, where the crewmember remained stuck until The New War.
Further evidence of this, is that the picture of your tenno's family in the Zariman crew quarters, shows two adults, with no child in sight.. and their uniform and hair color changes based on your tenno's appearance and suit colors. You do not inherit genetic traits that change your suit's colors, but if you were a copy of someone who had a certain hair color and a certain suit color.. you would "inherit" that.
The orokin were technically right all along. There were never children on the Zariman. The tenno are not human. They are void devils.
I think you might have nailed it perfectly.
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Would be really cool if you could choose to fight with the man in the wall against Tenno who fight against him
After seeing the erra scene, i feel like the lotus may also be our enemy... the lotus even hid secrets from the stalker... what is she still not telling us.
I mean, that'd be narratively redundant. We've had an entire "The Lotus betrays us!" arc already as well as a 'The Lotus isn't honest with the Tenno' arc. All part of the wider arc of the Tenno growing up and becoming more independent units - with the first time the Lotus hides information being entirely justified, the second time being justified but whilst seeking answers was dangerous it let the Tenno grow, and the third time not being open and honest with us led to her being kidnapped and leading into the 'Betrayal??'
Also, it is worth pointing out that. Of course the Lotus isn't honest with the Stalker, he's the enemy. Actively trying to murder the Tenno.
I my opinion, more and more hollow children appear in Duviri as more and more Tenno accept the deal.
Yeah I would have never noticed that. That is cool the Duviri lore talks about Hollow kids/people, didnt know that either (I have all but 2 of those things finished but havent read them yet lol). No big mystery... when the barrier between this universe and the void was 1st broken of course that void entity started doing stuff. Its freaky they said there were hollow children of the adults... Albrecht was the first and his doppleganger doesnt look like a kid...
Wally manipulating things... waaay over my head. I just wonder why he bothered helping us fight Ballas... Lore wise i am most interested in wtf Warframe 199x means. We chase Albrecht/Wally into a secret lab... he uses some ancient crap computer to vanish, there is some huge contruct person in the room built to fight something??? We use the computer to try to follow Wally...the construct twitches.... then poof we are waaaaaaaay in the past....
To me it was screaming everything in Warframe has all been a simulation. They are trying to hit us with 2nd Dream vibes again of "Waking up" from reality to the next.... or is this more like Inception...
Be really interesting possibility and given what we see in the 1999 trailer with the tech of that time it would be an interesting twist, and it would explain everything even better!
Us, poking old comuter, then transfering to the big construct guy has nothing to do with the 1999. I think the activation of the construct and transition to the Arthur guy in 1999 is just DE made clever transition between 2 different updates. As huge construct activation comes in the update "Whispers in the walls" which will be this year, and 1999 comes next year.
Just one thing, eternalism isn't the "many-worlds hypothesis".
The "Cube" referred is the entirety of time as a metaphorical solid shape, where all points in time are equally real,
like frames in a movie.
And apparently, Wally exists outside the movie, and can edit that movie...
It's not the same, but it cribs many of it's ideas from it...
there is no cube anymore, only a single point after the handshake, we chease to exist in all other possible realies
why havnet i seen this until jsut now? O_o
The Wall, was an accident in Dr. Entrai's experiments, when he entered the door using the seriglass bell, he disturbed the balance of both dimensions, his, and ours.
Facing the wall itself? For a full scale server battle, might be a one time thing, or it might be a Group of 1, 4 or 8.
1 player if using The giant construct that looked like Nihil* to face the wall.
4 players if Necramech,
Or 8 players only using warframes,
But a full scale server battle vs the wall, in victory, will no doubt leave us powerless after the fight.
The Wall was the reason Warframes exist in the first place.
Or, We can use the wall, to traverse... our dials might be the determining factor, but we will see what happens...
It is not fair that you get so few subscribers
'Man above all' - how do we make you the lead writer for future updates?
Well I feel like marvel might come after me for copyright infringement on that one, but... I'd take the job in a heartbeat, and you'd all have some of the craziest epic stories anyone's ever heard of, this I promise you!
Logic questions.
If there is man in the wall, who is the creator of the wall?
DE with simple action created huge potential for future lore.
I want our own pet oro worm to fight big bosses with
So, maybe we think the same and I misunderstood. I don't think we blink in and out of each other's existence. I think your Character exists in my reality, but you never experienced the story as the main character. While in yours, your Character did. We all fight side by side by as if we existed in that reality as we would have under different circumstances.
Just my interpretation because they never explain how you're always the one Tenno stuck dealing with Lotus drama when there are others. You're the star of your own reality while everyone else rides shotgun
Kinda makes me wonder what TSD would have been like if it was a group activity we become aware of what we are