My definition of goth: a post punk, music-borne subculture that focuses heavily on the colour black, pale makeup, black clothing, heavy black boots, chains, piercings, tattoos, etc (although one does not need to have or wear these all the time, or even at all, to be goth) and on the dark and macabre, such as death and death-related imagery and activities, horror movies and programmes, vampires, Halloween, graveyards, the movies of Tim Burton, spookiness in general, the Addams family, the deceased, ghosts, skeletons and skulls, as well as other supernaturals and even animals like bats, wolves, spiders, ravens, crows, etc.
Had a friend in high school(2008) who constantly had to tell people she was Goth, not emo 😅 This was also the same time another mate got immersed into cyber, sometimes rockin pvc dreads
The amount of articles I found while researching this video that were titled "goth is NOT emo" is staggering lol - you should have tried on the pvc dreads too, you might still be rockin them haha
As a teen in the 90’s there were always «goth-kids» at school and movies like «the craft» were definately worshipped 😅 I had many goth friends but since I always prefer many colours the look was never for me, though I liked the music. For me goth opened the door later to Harajuku fashion and Lolita from Japan. Nowadays I barely see any goth groups of teens on the street 🤔 I feel like in general teens all look alike fashionwise nowadays with very few unique looks 🤷♀️ I like how goth is quite diverse, age and looks. You can looks as simple or as elaburate as you want which appeals to many different people.
Went to my first goth club in 94 and for over nearly 20 years. Never really considered myself much of a goth just darker than other people. I think goth is a blanket term and always was. If you think about an obsession with death or undead beauty it's aligned more with vampirism and the macabre. Though more in a romantic sense. The video is a nice researched point of view. Most people I feel turned to goth for the alternative lifestyle and acceptance of homosexuality(alternative lifestyles) or found it ultimately rebellious and cool. It's all just for the fun of it ultimately. You're depressed, young and enjoy somewhere you fit and you don't fit in with Miss Betty the cheerleader or Joel the Jock you will definitely have found it over the years to be a warmer place to find acceptance. I was quite a writer and learned a lot of skills that got me a lot of girls a lot friends and some fun times........today it's not that way it's hard to express yourself purely on the Web. Though ironically goths embraced that before anyway as a subculture I was there and saw that. Though IRL is a bit lacking today.
@@IndigoRaven-zx8hpyou cannot shake that association, ever. At least from metal. Alice Cooper Accept Kiss Judas Priest invented your whole thing. Metal isn't goth, fine, but you're going to have to have that argument every single time
I wouldn't call this a great video, but it contained mostly accurate information, so I'd say it's good. Particularly the line you drew between tribe -> architecture -> literature -> subculture was quite accurate. I don't believe gatekeeping is as much of an issue as it's commonly made out to be… how does one gatekeep on the internet? Simply ignore what the cretins say and listen to the music you want, and do your research-it's all right there in front of you.
sometimes i get pseudo-nostalgia for when subcultures were more divided, just to get that in-crowd feeling and the power to shape history together with your friends. nowadays self-expression feels much more fluid, and it's harder to find a crowd to really belong to. but maybe having multiple dynamic interests being able to bond with different groups isn't that bad.
Great video! I will say that the club nights seem to be picking back up post covid. Lots of younger people are going too. Its just harder to find now because so many of our clubs have closed.
May i reccomend, what ever happened to Big Wolf on Campus or the short lived in america at least House of Anubis (i think there was also another highschool based mystery with the main cast each having a super power and they lived at school in a dome or something. I cant remeber it as well as House of Anubis. But it gave Strange Days at Black Holsey High vibes.
Im in my 30s and active in the scene (check out my channel 🦇) and all I can say from traveling around to different scenes within the US and outside is that goth is more alive than ever! The clubs are always packed, there are countless new bands and concerts on the weekly, and so many functions that cater to the subculture. My favorite place to experience the scene is Mexico City which already has a vibrant alternative culture, but their goth scene is unlike anywhere I’ve ever seen! Their clubs like El Real Under are the closest I’ve seen to being in an actual Batcave style club and the bands that come from that city are making some of the most refreshing music in the post-punk, industrial, darkwave and deathrock sub genres of the movement. Stay spooky my darklings 🖤 great video!!
Goth is no more and no less than one's own acceptance and embracing of the darkness within one's own self. One of my personal favorite bands is still Saviour Machine.......yes, inspired by David Bowie.
I'd usually say that I wished Margaret Thatcher and Helmut Kohl would've never existed, but they were part of setting a milestone in establishing this cultural enrichment.
Culture has to be flexible to survive, man. It's not confusing to me. I've been a goth since... um.... well. I'm old. I do have to say it's a little frustrating when people label random things as goth that totally aren't. You don't have to live All Things Goth All The Time to qualify. I listen to trance also, fite me lol.
How does someone make a video essay about goth culture without mentioning Marilyn Manson? Whether people love him or hate him, he brought goths popularity to new heights.
Fair point! I thought about mentioning him but the consensus seems to be that he's not goth in most reddit threads I researched on it: www.reddit.com/r/marilyn_manson/comments/d7mf9n/marilyn_manson_goth_or_industrial/ I generally try to keep the narratives focused and with something as huge as goth there's only so many people / bands I can realistically mention as much as I'd love to!
@@LouciferFlumpMansion is Shock Rock, not Goth. Learn your music genres. They aren't hard. Poser. Bands like Lebanon Hanover and Twin Tribes are Goth.
Goth def has not gone anywhere, the music, style, and subculture are alive and well
I totally agree, I think I make a similar point in the video! Like any subculture it's just changed over time, which is natural!
@@exitsexamined oh absolutely. I apologize if I accidentally implied you meant otherwise. You did a great job covering the subject btw
No worries! Just wanted to say I agree! Thanks so much for the kind words, it was a tough topic to cover, a lot of history to pack in!
My definition of goth: a post punk, music-borne subculture that focuses heavily on the colour black, pale makeup, black clothing, heavy black boots, chains, piercings, tattoos, etc (although one does not need to have or wear these all the time, or even at all, to be goth) and on the dark and macabre, such as death and death-related imagery and activities, horror movies and programmes, vampires, Halloween, graveyards, the movies of Tim Burton, spookiness in general, the Addams family, the deceased, ghosts, skeletons and skulls, as well as other supernaturals and even animals like bats, wolves, spiders, ravens, crows, etc.
So Alice Cooper
Had a friend in high school(2008) who constantly had to tell people she was Goth, not emo 😅 This was also the same time another mate got immersed into cyber, sometimes rockin pvc dreads
The amount of articles I found while researching this video that were titled "goth is NOT emo" is staggering lol - you should have tried on the pvc dreads too, you might still be rockin them haha
As a teen in the 90’s there were always «goth-kids» at school and movies like «the craft» were definately worshipped 😅 I had many goth friends but since I always prefer many colours the look was never for me, though I liked the music. For me goth opened the door later to Harajuku fashion and Lolita from Japan. Nowadays I barely see any goth groups of teens on the street 🤔 I feel like in general teens all look alike fashionwise nowadays with very few unique looks 🤷♀️ I like how goth is quite diverse, age and looks. You can looks as simple or as elaburate as you want which appeals to many different people.
we’re still here…
I totally agree, I think I make a similar point in the video! Like any subculture it's just changed over time, which is natural!
Went to my first goth club in 94 and for over nearly 20 years. Never
really considered myself much of a goth just darker than other people. I think goth is a blanket term and always was. If you think about an obsession with death or undead beauty it's aligned more with vampirism and the macabre. Though more in a romantic sense. The video is a nice researched point of view. Most people I feel turned to goth for the alternative lifestyle and acceptance of homosexuality(alternative lifestyles) or found it ultimately rebellious and cool. It's all just for the fun of it ultimately. You're depressed, young and enjoy somewhere you fit and you don't fit in with Miss Betty the cheerleader or Joel the Jock you will definitely have found it over the years to be a warmer place to find acceptance. I was quite a writer and learned a lot of skills that got me a lot of girls a lot friends and some fun times........today it's not that way it's hard to express yourself purely on the Web. Though ironically goths embraced that before anyway as a subculture I was there and saw that. Though IRL is a bit lacking today.
All your videos are ALWAYS on point! Continued success and growth my friend.
I really appreciate that! Sorry I just saw this, so cool people out there enjoy it!
Punk, Metalhead & Old School Goth, & Proud of it.
Goth is still with us. Enough said.
Punk and Metal are not Goth.
@@IndigoRaven-zx8hpyou cannot shake that association, ever. At least from metal. Alice Cooper Accept Kiss Judas Priest invented your whole thing. Metal isn't goth, fine, but you're going to have to have that argument every single time
I wouldn't call this a great video, but it contained mostly accurate information, so I'd say it's good. Particularly the line you drew between tribe -> architecture -> literature -> subculture was quite accurate. I don't believe gatekeeping is as much of an issue as it's commonly made out to be… how does one gatekeep on the internet? Simply ignore what the cretins say and listen to the music you want, and do your research-it's all right there in front of you.
sometimes i get pseudo-nostalgia for when subcultures were more divided, just to get that in-crowd feeling and the power to shape history together with your friends. nowadays self-expression feels much more fluid, and it's harder to find a crowd to really belong to. but maybe having multiple dynamic interests being able to bond with different groups isn't that bad.
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Great video! I will say that the club nights seem to be picking back up post covid. Lots of younger people are going too. Its just harder to find now because so many of our clubs have closed.
Thanks so much! I wonder if it's a regional thing! Where are you based / noticing an uptick? I'd love to go to more goth nights haha
Awesome video! Good job at compiling decades of history into a cohesive narrative. 3D printing goth outfits is such a cool idea!
May i reccomend, what ever happened to Big Wolf on Campus or the short lived in america at least House of Anubis (i think there was also another highschool based mystery with the main cast each having a super power and they lived at school in a dome or something. I cant remeber it as well as House of Anubis. But it gave Strange Days at Black Holsey High vibes.
Thank you for the great video. It was really interesting to see how the culture changed throughout the times
Glad you enjoyed it! It is interesting what's changed and what's stayed the same. Have you ever been to any goth clubs?
i see the vibe thrive w/ Dark Synths music genre and its contemporaries
Im in my 30s and active in the scene (check out my channel 🦇) and all I can say from traveling around to different scenes within the US and outside is that goth is more alive than ever! The clubs are always packed, there are countless new bands and concerts on the weekly, and so many functions that cater to the subculture. My favorite place to experience the scene is Mexico City which already has a vibrant alternative culture, but their goth scene is unlike anywhere I’ve ever seen! Their clubs like El Real Under are the closest I’ve seen to being in an actual Batcave style club and the bands that come from that city are making some of the most refreshing music in the post-punk, industrial, darkwave and deathrock sub genres of the movement. Stay spooky my darklings 🖤 great video!!
Oh wow, I love your channel! Goth travel channel is amazing. I subbed! You've put going to a goth club in Mexico on my bucket list, thank you haha
Goth is no more and no less than one's own acceptance and embracing of the darkness within one's own self. One of my personal favorite bands is still Saviour Machine.......yes, inspired by David Bowie.
Goth is a MUSIC based subculture, poser.
Hello to my fellow goths 🖤
I'd usually say that I wished Margaret Thatcher and Helmut Kohl would've never existed, but they were part of setting a milestone in establishing this cultural enrichment.
Culture has to be flexible to survive, man. It's not confusing to me. I've been a goth since... um.... well. I'm old. I do have to say it's a little frustrating when people label random things as goth that totally aren't. You don't have to live All Things Goth All The Time to qualify. I listen to trance also, fite me lol.
Goth didn’t die, it was murdered!
God I hope this comment becomes the top on this video lol
You cannot murder the undead, Sir.
Old Goths never die, we just fade to grey.,.
Nothing happened to Goth. I am here, I’m the ultimate ElderGoth.
Now if you’d made a video entitled “What happened to the Dodo?” I’d let you off…🙄
I totally agree, I think I make a similar point in the video! Like any subculture it's just changed over time, which is natural!
Ладно,все таки придётся доучивать английский...
Oh, thank you, it's a good reminder I should add subtitles
How does someone make a video essay about goth culture without mentioning Marilyn Manson? Whether people love him or hate him, he brought goths popularity to new heights.
Fair point! I thought about mentioning him but the consensus seems to be that he's not goth in most reddit threads I researched on it: www.reddit.com/r/marilyn_manson/comments/d7mf9n/marilyn_manson_goth_or_industrial/
I generally try to keep the narratives focused and with something as huge as goth there's only so many people / bands I can realistically mention as much as I'd love to!
@@LouciferFlumpNo, he isn't. He's Metal and Shock Rock. Apparently you have no idea what Goth music is. Poser
@@LouciferFlumpMansion is Shock Rock, not Goth. Learn your music genres. They aren't hard. Poser. Bands like Lebanon Hanover and Twin Tribes are Goth.
Manson is Shock Rock, not Goth. Wearing black doesn't make you a Goth. Goth is a literal music genre.
@@exitsexaminedGoth is it's own music genre. Manson is not Goth, and is not a part of our subculture whatsoever.