It *used to be* really good. Nowadays it's basically a bunch of open mic night "comedians" trying to mimic what they remember was funny in the 90s, and failing horribly.
SNL started as a radical outlet during the rise of the American Counterculture, when simply not confirming to established standards was enough to make a giant impression. In decades since, it's become an institution, and lost its primary motivation of subversive abandon, in favor of self preservation. It has accrued enough respect that occasionally recognized talents will humor themselves and conform to the format, but it's more of a medium that can occasionally channel brilliance, then the source of brilliance it once was in past decades. It's also important when looking back at Revolutionary works, that the best ones get copied endlessly, and some of them improve, leaving the original seeming lackluster in comparison if you don't have nostalgic reference for it. But in its own tíme, it was novel and unique and none of the acts it inspired were around, rather it blew up the decrepit copies of stale acts prior. A very similar trajectory is evident for The Simpson's, which looks stale and clumsy to fresh eyes, but only because it has reshaped everything in its wake.
SNL/Kate McKinnon didn't "Call Her out" on her Gay Marriage record... She whitewashed her homophobia and hypocrisy by telling CIS America that LGBT Celebrities have forgiven her and are now campaigning for her.
Y'know, it honestly just now occurred to me that our two candidates in this Presidential election have both legitimately been celebrity presences for over two decades now. There's something fascinating there, though I'm not sure I can properly quantify it right now.
America is obsessed with celebrities and famous people, that's why Bernie didn't do better, he was an unknown for most people before (and sometimes during) the primaries
Obama turned American politics into a shitty celebrity-fest with his garbage cameos and his "better than thou" persona. Half the US ultimately worshiped him for no real reason other than "muh black candidate" and those people had no real knowledge of his policies or American politics in general. Enter 2016, where the race was persona vs persona and the man the most charisma was constantly in the spotlight, as well as a pied piper plan by the main opposition that backfired along with rumors that the Democratic primaries were rigged that were confirmed in one way or another. The most corrupt candidate in American history gambling on multiple fronts and losing because of sheer arrogance, then blaming her loss on the Russians of all things like we were in a cold war all over again.
I had a dream that you ran a store at the local mall where you sold books, cereal, and used Atari games. We were casual acquaintances and you would always slip me an extra box of Reeses Puffs or recommend a new book whenever I came in. You were dressed as Scarlet O'Hara for some reason. Thanks for the dream-cereal.
Get the location right and something like that could actually work. Sort of a Starbucks but way more chill kind of vibe to it. Get a bowl of cereal with whatever extras you want on it, grab a book off the shelf, and then on the way out pick up a retro game for later.
@@poopoopeepee6780 Al Gore and John Kerry were able to take a dive without all this sort of hooplah. "Generic corporate democrat" has always been destined to fail against a W or Reagan clone. It's what they exist to do - defeat leftists, lose the general, allow the elite to enrich themselves further. It's likely her gender helped her do as well as she did - if she were a man and Bill was a woman, how would society view a Hillard Rodham? A recipient of nepotism who is only relevant due to riding off his wife's status? A wife that banged bimbos on the side, who he stayed with only for material gain?
it's sort of a conflicting feeling to see it laid out here that hillary's depiction as a power hungry schemer is clearly rooted in sexism, even though she genuinely does come across as a power hungry schemer. i guess its less that i dont think she deserves that sort of characterization, and more that it concerns me that so many equally sleazy male politicians arent criticized as harshly for the same moral failings. its always worse when a woman does it i guess
As an Irish guy, I don't get what you Americans find funny in SNL. It's all boring, forced, and predictable. It feels like a kids sitcom but with swearing.
I have a working hypothesis right now that SNL is something people grow into and then out of. Like, it appeals to a certain narrow-band age / experience range. Maybe you started on the out-end of the target?
That's because it "IS" a Kid-friendly show, it's free OTA (Over the Air), and thus is subject to what's known as Standards and Practices. Shows on OTA networks are basically told that "a kid could be watching this" Cable shows aren't subject to this, but they have their own broadcast rules (Comedy Central is notoriously lax, hence South Park, and The Daily Show.)
Yeah, I mostly grew out of SNL after it had a very obvious anti-Bernie slant. They alternated between painting him as a delusional old man and an evil, conniving commie. I know the show is meant to poke fun at politicians, but they always ended their portrayals with a more positive view of them, even Trump. Not so with Bernie.
Everything Goldmark said. I think what makes McKinnon's Saturday-morning cartoon villain Hillary so amusing is that she's portraying the Hillary that the right-wing believes so strongly is real.
undetestable1 They are not immune, and way to easy to bait TBH, and they usually cry a river over so called "online violence!" Ie. saying mean words on the internet,
I used to feel bad for her, after her recent stabs at Bernie, especially on the howard stern show, I feel a bit less bad for her. Too bad, she kind of his turning into one of her caricatures, or maybe she is turning out to be rather than into.
asher gaines for a sec there you literally said “its not her fault its her campaigns” and well read my comment bub. Her and her campaign, whose staff are a reflection of her character and decision making skills. Yeah shit happened at inopportune times, but same could be said of trumps campaign (grab her by the pussy?) and he was able to keep it going. I mainly take issue with ppl (mainly HRC herself) saying bernie is somehow responsible for her loss. Meanwhile bernie did multiple rallies for her, as rigorously a schedule as he has on his own campaign.
Impressions boil down from accuracy into amplifying the most erratic and humorous traits of the subject. It happens almost all the time with any character in fiction. Biggest example I always see is Peter Griffin. He starts the series as a loving, misguided man with a bit of an IQ degrade to full blown idiot by the end of it. That trait was found to be the most humorous, so they decided to magnify and bring it front.
@@RyanStorey1231 Flanders definitely went that route. He started off as a mildly religious, slightly too cheery neighbor. He had beer on tap in his basement, smoked a pipe and burnt his tie ("this noose I have been wearing...") when he announced that he's opening up his own business. We all know how he ended up.
I think the reason Hilary's portrayals have been so inconsistent is because, to be honest, she's kind of a boring person in real life so it's kind've hard not to change her personality completely when you're spoofing and/or satirizing her
I dunno, ‘superpredators’ really speaks to her character. Seriously tho, the skits where she talks about standing for whatever is most popular opinion at any given point are pretty accurate and that behavior became her hallmark political talking point. It’s kind of hard to know who she is when the real Hilary doesn’t stand for much beyond ‘I’m a woman’ and ‘what are your views?’
@@gateauxq4604 Yeah she is definitely a very traditional style politician who doesn't seem genuine. There are worse things though, like someone who is a genuinely, absurdly awful individual.
She seems quite a banal politician for me, like our president in France, deregulating the economy but giving some "equal right cookies" without doing something really useful to reach a real equity... And never questions the military side of global trade, of course (and trump is the same for that, the difference is that he chose the "please to conservatives" strategy but it doesn't matter for the economic side, giving rights or not changes almost nothing for big companies after all ) But here in France we see some dark shit now behing these very "common and "at the middle"politicians", with the lots of police abuses, like giving order to charge a mass of people...next to the river of a city...one guy died in June, he drowned... and the "police of police" was like "no error happens" before the body was found... All this just because a dj played after the legal time during the national "music party day"... ordering cops to charge lot of people counting a lot drunk and/or stone very late isn't a good idea, ans next to a river even more... but it passed A man close to our president putting police outfits and weapons and beating badly a protester during an authorised manifestation...not very surprising... A lot of politicians are shady, and when they're into power the image doesn't last long...(if they were posing as "liberals" (fake ones), for the ones who chose to drag conservatives votes it's even less surprising, even if trump's government is doing even worqe that I bet with some friends during the us elections...)
johnmburt1960 yea Obama was a total “no drama president.” Started another war, turned Libya into a country with open air slave trade, signed a drone strike his third day in office, tried to destroy social security, and oh yea ruined the greatest opportunity for a comprehensive medical system. These are all just the greatest! Totally no drama! Don’t forget they’re on our team, that means you can’t criticize them!
Tekno Pathetic Yeah. Weird is good. If you dislike her now, you should have seen her in Big Gay Sketch Show where she played Fitzwilliam, a little English boy who wanted to have a vagina and had an alcoholic stuffed unicorn named Trixie. I think she's hilarious.
Alicia She's one of the only funny female cast members on SNL currently, Aidy Bryant is ok, Leslie Jones is so fucking annoying, Cecily Strong is funny(I haven't watched SNL and in forever so I don't remember all the women in the cast)
Well, when the other option was MAD TV, we tended to assume there was no alternative to SNL. But now we have shows like Key and Peele and Portlandia to compare it to.
It really is, usually when a youtube video is talking about current politicians, the comments section becomes the American Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo 4K Ultra HD Edition.
I, too, like Kate's interpretation of Hillary. I'm not a fan of the whole shrill, beleaguered harpy wife she was portrayed as in the late '90s. Kate's captures the essence of her demeanor while exaggerating it in amusing ways. I hadn't seen that meme video before and lost my shit, lol! Holy hell, what the ffffff that was hilARIOUS! Nice vid. Entertaining and educational. :)
I always sort of wondered why people were so bugged out about Hillary Clinton until I learned that they literally forced her to bake cookies in the 90's and everything kind of clicked together.
From the beginning, no one liked her cause she worked instead of being just bills wife. And then she made that baking cookie remark and Bills team made her bake cookies. It was all downhill from there. She’s never really done anything serious.
Wayne Rembert everyone in politics is a horrible person. There is nothing to hate her more than quite literally any other politician esp the ones that are currently arrested, dead, or facing lawsuits for sexual abuse and assault
I think Hillary Clinton is going to be remembered by history. I mean, not for any good or bad reason in particular. Just...how much of an impression she has and continues to make on people's feelings about women in power. Probably going to see a paragraph in a textbook one day about "Hillary Clinton's influence on women in politics at the turn of the millenium".
That or part of the lesson that we should never let overly entitled people who both thought they *deserved* to be president run in the main election ever again.
@@gateauxq4604 Yeah I feel that if ANYONE else had sat on the Democratic ticket, they could've won. But Hillary was the worst candidate the Democrats had
@@patrickcorby1423 come one. One was far worse than the other, no competition. She was an awful candidate but on balance, the winner was worse by almost every metric.
I like your stuff, I've been binge watching it a crap load lately and I really enjoy everything so far. Probably the best from Channel Awesome as far as I'm concerned.
I think Hillary is incredibly lucky in who her opposition candidate this year is; then again so is Trump. If either of them were running against somebody else they would most likely lose.
Ehh, of the republican candidates Trumps probably the one she had worst odds against. Cruz would probably have been the 'best' candidate for Hillary, after all, he is the Zodiac Killer.
‘Kate McKinnin’s Hilary is more of a villianous cartoon impression like Invader Zim’ OH MY GOD YOURE RIGHT! This really makes the world a better place, this phrase having been said out loud finally. Thank you, Lindsay. All hail Kate! All hail Zim!
Those SNL clips at 2:00... all of that was painful in hindsight. Yikes. And there's still fourteen minutes left. Your content is amazing Lindsay, thank you for talking about all of these things.
Lindsay stumbled on something weird here: no, the Animaniacs episode as aired didn't have an original, alternate cut with Hillary in the chair, but YES, the original song (which you can find on the soundtracks) had the lyric "Clinton, first name Hillary." Tom Ruegger himself confirmed it to a fan: forums.lostmediawiki.com/thread/523/hillary-clinton-animaniacs-original-exist So apparently, Lindsay Ellis owned an Animaniacs soundtrack on CD as a kid.
10:30 This is satirizing Clinton's weird tendency to take on a Southern accent when speaking in Southern States. Specifically, based on her outfit, it seems to be ripping on a now infamous 2007 rally in Selma, AL where her fake southern accent was especially pronounced.
I enjoyed this and your narration was great. It was an interesting piece not only on Hillary Clinton but on the nature and evolution of how a person is portrayed in satire and encouraged people to think, rather than telling them what to think. Great job!
I think Kate did the best impression, not because it was an impression squared, but because it's exactly how many Americans viewed Hillary. She ran because "it was her turn," she acted like it was, and that's why it's not President-Elect Clinton. A lot of factors went into the voting issues, but McKinnon tapped that "well, duh" attitude that pols have the rest of America is pretty much done with. The best thing that can happen is for SNL and the like to do impressions of the impressive amount of shitty Representatives, Senators, and Governors. I doubt they will, because we're about to have a Tweeter in Chief that'll distract any meaningful satire from happening. I'll double down; the absolute best thing satirical media can do is completely ignore Trump and aim their criticism at federal and state level government positions.
It's amazing how much the sexism of some of those older sketches feels cartoonish in the modern day. The only times I see men telling women to go bake cookies now are either ironic or people being very intentionally misogynistic. I wonder what today's jokes will look like in 50 years, when people will wonder how anyone could ever think like that.
Hillary was accused of speaking with a Southern accent when she was campaigning for president in the South, so South Park spoofed it. Also, I wish you covered Madtv's impression of Hillary during the 90's.
As a European, I have never seen these before. I have always wondered why Americans' perception pf her was so weird, and now I know why. They can't tell what is real and what is not because of the media portrayal of her 😩
I have never seen these either, except for Kate Mckinnon’s. I’m American. I promise you, a lot of the 330 million people in the U.S. have not seen these clips from random shows. I promise you a few of us use critical thinking and understand what propaganda and biased media is, just like you in Europe.
Ah, was expecting it to be more politically charged, that's refreshing... Plan to do the same with Trump? If there is enough stuff on him for that that is...
Well done, Lindsay. This is probably the tenth video of yours that I have watched. Other presenters could cover the same material, but I find your videos to be entertaining enough to keep me interested.
Are there really all that many representations of him? As far as I know they all just portray him as an arrogant businessman with delusions of grandeur. Not much in terms of loose canon, unless there's something I don't know about (which wouldn't be difficult, I never paid much attention to him).
COME ON JACK THE RIPPER; also great video as always Lindsay. But honestly, my favourite of the SNL skits had to be when Poeler and Mckinnon's Hillarys came together XD
It's real crazy to see like, at the time presidents appearing in kids cartoons back in the day. Like that doesn't really happen anymore, at all. Could ya'll imagine sitting at home watching your stevens universe and all of a sudden Donald Trump appears?
Sometimes it baffles me how hated Hilary Clinton is. Growing up in Venezuela, I would often see her being portrayed in cartoons or made fun of in shows, but they would never stop recognizing her intelligence and they would always say that she was the one in power. I loved her! There was nothing I wanted more than being like her. Then the whole Lewinsky scandal came out and I was just so sad that she'd have to face such humiliation and criticism for something that her husband did. I would think that sometimes people forget that she's still human. During the 2016 election I kept reading the news and now I could understand more about her character, she's not perfect, but her policies resembled more what I support. And to this day I still can't believe that the US had the chance to elect a smart, competent woman with years of experience in politics and chose a buffoon with orange skin, just because they're afraid of women in power and she would start a war because women are too "emotional". I hope the years of fear with Trump make people reconsider.
Don't forget that she was kicked (not officially fired because her career would have been over at age 27 and her supervisor did not want to taint her for the rest of her life) off of the WaterGate case, channeled Eleanor Roosevelt thru a medium, victim blamed woman after woman that her husband had sexual misconduct (Gennifer, Paula, Juanita, 10's of others) issues with.
+Matt Post Yup, if a Southern Methodist candidate ends up having to deal with some hateful antisemitism, imagine the amount of antisemitism that an actual Jewish candidate like Bernie Sanders would have had to deal with.
Sad. I feel in Sanders' case any perception of antisemitism, at least if it was tacitly condoned by Trump would energize more moderates to him. Then again that's hopelessly naive probably.
It'd be pretty amazing to get an update to this that includes portrayals in the aftermath of the 2016 election. . . and optimally, some discussion of how these portrayals over the years have impacted her political life, where we are now, and/or what the best responses might be to this kind of rhetoric when we see it. I'm reminded of southpark's apology for mandogbear or whatever it was called? With Gore on climate change?
The video is a lot more tame than I thought it would be. I applaud that. I really dislike the Clinton's, I'm voting for her, but I'm not happy about it (I considered third party which I know you dislike but the reason I couldn't vote for those two is because of their crazy ideas, not because it would help trump or whatever you say). I was a bit nervous coming to this video because, like Senator McCain during the primary in my state, whenever I heard praise of her I consider going for another candidate again despite knowing the others are crazy. Well done video, very nice!
Chigozie Nwachukwu she's many crazy ideas that while seeming nice, in implemented would destroy the country. A good example is her plan on what to do about student debts. I'm all for making college cheaper being a student myself and having almost dropped out due to purely financial reason twice in my first yea, but there is a practical notion. Look up her positions and ask yourself about the larger consequences of such actions.
Fear? perhaps 'concern' at least, but mostly it's a rather novel concept worth mentioning. If we're talking comedy which most of this is, comedy is going to focus on the downsides of any aspect. *sigh* Honestly, out of all the women in the world to be the "strong independent power woman" Clinton is the best humanity could put forth? There have been worse men, if it matters, but certainly *far* better women than her.
Chez Lindsay, great video! You should have played the Disney Channel Original Movie Zenon (1999) where Chelsea Clinton was the President of the USA in that movie! Pretty interesting.
Notice how the scene in Sliders, a show about interdimensional travellers or something, has a magazine stand in the background called 'Bernies'. Foreboding much?
I have heard a lot about the brilliance of SNL.
I have now seen SNL.
I am now confused.
Please don't tell me you're basing your opinion on a few seconds from like 10 clips from from 808 episodes over a 41 year span.
You have to watch it in like the 80's before it became CNN with a laugh track
It’s... a checkered history.
It *used to be* really good. Nowadays it's basically a bunch of open mic night "comedians" trying to mimic what they remember was funny in the 90s, and failing horribly.
SNL started as a radical outlet during the rise of the American Counterculture, when simply not confirming to established standards was enough to make a giant impression. In decades since, it's become an institution, and lost its primary motivation of subversive abandon, in favor of self preservation. It has accrued enough respect that occasionally recognized talents will humor themselves and conform to the format, but it's more of a medium that can occasionally channel brilliance, then the source of brilliance it once was in past decades.
It's also important when looking back at Revolutionary works, that the best ones get copied endlessly, and some of them improve, leaving the original seeming lackluster in comparison if you don't have nostalgic reference for it. But in its own tíme, it was novel and unique and none of the acts it inspired were around, rather it blew up the decrepit copies of stale acts prior.
A very similar trajectory is evident for The Simpson's, which looks stale and clumsy to fresh eyes, but only because it has reshaped everything in its wake.
A very unexpected video.
Finding it in late May 2019 is also quite unexpected, considering... stuff that happened.
Happy to find a comment from this era (somewhere halfway through dystopia)
@@Thobela-h3x 'tis truly the darkest timeline
@@Thobela-h3x As long as we are really half way through it...
Cos... Boris Johnson in UK now?
@@MilA-eh3gf Crap !! Hate to sound like my grandma but things aren't looking too good in the world are they?
Reporting in from late August '19.
For me, what really sold the gay marriage joke was the fact that it was Kate McKinnon saying it. That fact alone makes the joke seem almost personal.
Well today I learned Kate McKinnon is gay
SNL/Kate McKinnon didn't "Call Her out" on her Gay Marriage record... She whitewashed her homophobia and hypocrisy by telling CIS America that LGBT Celebrities have forgiven her and are now campaigning for her.
7:20
Y'know, it honestly just now occurred to me that our two candidates in this Presidential election have both legitimately been celebrity presences for over two decades now. There's something fascinating there, though I'm not sure I can properly quantify it right now.
America is obsessed with celebrities and famous people, that's why Bernie didn't do better, he was an unknown for most people before (and sometimes during) the primaries
Obama turned American politics into a shitty celebrity-fest with his garbage cameos and his "better than thou" persona. Half the US ultimately worshiped him for no real reason other than "muh black candidate" and those people had no real knowledge of his policies or American politics in general.
Enter 2016, where the race was persona vs persona and the man the most charisma was constantly in the spotlight, as well as a pied piper plan by the main opposition that backfired along with rumors that the Democratic primaries were rigged that were confirmed in one way or another. The most corrupt candidate in American history gambling on multiple fronts and losing because of sheer arrogance, then blaming her loss on the Russians of all things like we were in a cold war all over again.
Professor Groyper the most corrupt candidate in American history won.
@@JasperJanssen Yes, Hillary "won" the popular vote. We know.
Professor Groyper hi
I had a dream that you ran a store at the local mall where you sold books, cereal, and used Atari games. We were casual acquaintances and you would always slip me an extra box of Reeses Puffs or recommend a new book whenever I came in. You were dressed as Scarlet O'Hara for some reason.
Thanks for the dream-cereal.
What an... odd dream. I had a dream about Todd once. He was just reviewing a song he has never actually reviewed in real life.
I have very chill low-key absurd dreams.
I had a dream where I was hanging out with Allison watching Dark Dungeons during a cult meeting.
Get the location right and something like that could actually work. Sort of a Starbucks but way more chill kind of vibe to it. Get a bowl of cereal with whatever extras you want on it, grab a book off the shelf, and then on the way out pick up a retro game for later.
This it totally the kind of dream I would have. Just being casual acquaintances with someone on tv/youtube.
9/11. Hilary Clinton. Someone clearly doesn't fear the Internet.
Glad that Lindsay doesn't.
But Jeffrey Epstein, as of August 10th? He just *might.*
Loose Canon: LITERALLY HITLER
This aged well
guess maybe she should have
I love the manic, wide eyed expressions that Kate McKinnons Hillary has. She can also mimic Hillary's voice and speech pattern pretty close.
So, twenty years of Clinton jokes... for nothing.
Absolutely nothing.
Probably because of Clinton jokes
Well it might have kept her out of the oval office so you really can't complain
@@poopoopeepee6780 Al Gore and John Kerry were able to take a dive without all this sort of hooplah.
"Generic corporate democrat" has always been destined to fail against a W or Reagan clone. It's what they exist to do - defeat leftists, lose the general, allow the elite to enrich themselves further.
It's likely her gender helped her do as well as she did - if she were a man and Bill was a woman, how would society view a Hillard Rodham? A recipient of nepotism who is only relevant due to riding off his wife's status? A wife that banged bimbos on the side, who he stayed with only for material gain?
@johnmburt1960 imagine being openly gay in 2020. Oof
@johnmburt1960 so you're not even American and you're trying to throw shade at our president? Lol what shithole are you from?
"Fred and Wilma" dynamic is funny, because Tress MacNeille, who impersonated Hillary in all those WB cartoons, also voices Wilma Flintstone.
it's sort of a conflicting feeling to see it laid out here that hillary's depiction as a power hungry schemer is clearly rooted in sexism, even though she genuinely does come across as a power hungry schemer.
i guess its less that i dont think she deserves that sort of characterization, and more that it concerns me that so many equally sleazy male politicians arent criticized as harshly for the same moral failings. its always worse when a woman does it i guess
"You know who I haven't heard of in a while? Hillary Clinton *snicker*"
couldn't say that with a straight face, could ya?
3:42 the name of the news stand is "BERNIE'S"
*foreshadowing*
If only.
not really it would seem
:(
As an Irish guy, I don't get what you Americans find funny in SNL. It's all boring, forced, and predictable. It feels like a kids sitcom but with swearing.
I have a working hypothesis right now that SNL is something people grow into and then out of. Like, it appeals to a certain narrow-band age / experience range.
Maybe you started on the out-end of the target?
That's because it "IS" a Kid-friendly show, it's free OTA (Over the Air), and thus is subject to what's known as Standards and Practices. Shows on OTA networks are basically told that "a kid could be watching this"
Cable shows aren't subject to this, but they have their own broadcast rules (Comedy Central is notoriously lax, hence South Park, and The Daily Show.)
It's really only ever good during intense political turmoil.
A lot of it is cultural. Most Americans don't get English/European/Whatever humour and vice-versa
Yeah, I mostly grew out of SNL after it had a very obvious anti-Bernie slant. They alternated between painting him as a delusional old man and an evil, conniving commie. I know the show is meant to poke fun at politicians, but they always ended their portrayals with a more positive view of them, even Trump. Not so with Bernie.
I haven't even read the comments and I'm telling you to not go down there.
Okay okay I'm scared too.
Actually, it's surprisingly tame. For example: Nobody has accused Lindsay of being "bought out" by the "shadow corpocracy" yet.
It's been a few hours. Give it a couple of days and that kind of person will show up. :/
Yet.
Everything Goldmark said. I think what makes McKinnon's Saturday-morning cartoon villain Hillary so amusing is that she's portraying the Hillary that the right-wing believes so strongly is real.
Wow the comments on this video are shockingly civil. then again maybe I'm just early?
Yea, thought I could put fire to it all, but it seems like everyone here is just stale as f#%¤
KaptajnKaffe
lol well it gives me hope that Lindsey fans might be immune to trolls.
undetestable1
They are not immune, and way to easy to bait TBH, and they usually cry a river over so called "online violence!" Ie. saying mean words on the internet,
KaptajnKaffe
TBH?
undetestable1
To Be Honest
"Wow, these shows really had it in for Pauly Shore."
HE DESERVED IT.
That'll teach Pauly for... existing?
The weasel!
@@DarrenSemotiuk Bio-dome.
I used to feel bad for her, after her recent stabs at Bernie, especially on the howard stern show, I feel a bit less bad for her. Too bad, she kind of his turning into one of her caricatures, or maybe she is turning out to be rather than into.
asher gaines no, she wasn’t. She has no one to blame for losing that election except her own campaign.
asher gaines for a sec there you literally said “its not her fault its her campaigns” and well read my comment bub. Her and her campaign, whose staff are a reflection of her character and decision making skills. Yeah shit happened at inopportune times, but same could be said of trumps campaign (grab her by the pussy?) and he was able to keep it going. I mainly take issue with ppl (mainly HRC herself) saying bernie is somehow responsible for her loss. Meanwhile bernie did multiple rallies for her, as rigorously a schedule as he has on his own campaign.
I like it when she talks more like that, honestly. Though admittedly I dislike Bernie Sanders.
The real question is why this was recommended to me in February 2020.
Loved this video, Lindsay. Never realized how many portrayals of Mrs. Clinton there were o_o
Impressions boil down from accuracy into amplifying the most erratic and humorous traits of the subject. It happens almost all the time with any character in fiction. Biggest example I always see is Peter Griffin. He starts the series as a loving, misguided man with a bit of an IQ degrade to full blown idiot by the end of it. That trait was found to be the most humorous, so they decided to magnify and bring it front.
You basically described flanderization.
@@RyanStorey1231 Flanders definitely went that route. He started off as a mildly religious, slightly too cheery neighbor. He had beer on tap in his basement, smoked a pipe and burnt his tie ("this noose I have been wearing...") when he announced that he's opening up his own business. We all know how he ended up.
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I think the reason Hilary's portrayals have been so inconsistent is because, to be honest, she's kind of a boring person in real life so it's kind've hard not to change her personality completely when you're spoofing and/or satirizing her
I dunno, ‘superpredators’ really speaks to her character.
Seriously tho, the skits where she talks about standing for whatever is most popular opinion at any given point are pretty accurate and that behavior became her hallmark political talking point. It’s kind of hard to know who she is when the real Hilary doesn’t stand for much beyond ‘I’m a woman’ and ‘what are your views?’
@@gateauxq4604 Yeah she is definitely a very traditional style politician who doesn't seem genuine. There are worse things though, like someone who is a genuinely, absurdly awful individual.
She seems quite a banal politician for me, like our president in France, deregulating the economy but giving some "equal right cookies" without doing something really useful to reach a real equity...
And never questions the military side of global trade, of course (and trump is the same for that, the difference is that he chose the "please to conservatives" strategy but it doesn't matter for the economic side, giving rights or not changes almost nothing for big companies after all )
But here in France we see some dark shit now behing these very "common and "at the middle"politicians", with the lots of police abuses, like giving order to charge a mass of people...next to the river of a city...one guy died in June, he drowned... and the "police of police" was like "no error happens" before the body was found...
All this just because a dj played after the legal time during the national "music party day"... ordering cops to charge lot of people counting a lot drunk and/or stone very late isn't a good idea, ans next to a river even more... but it passed
A man close to our president putting police outfits and weapons and beating badly a protester during an authorised manifestation...not very surprising...
A lot of politicians are shady, and when they're into power the image doesn't last long...(if they were posing as "liberals" (fake ones), for the ones who chose to drag conservatives votes it's even less surprising, even if trump's government is doing even worqe that I bet with some friends during the us elections...)
johnmburt1960 yea Obama was a total “no drama president.” Started another war, turned Libya into a country with open air slave trade, signed a drone strike his third day in office, tried to destroy social security, and oh yea ruined the greatest opportunity for a comprehensive medical system. These are all just the greatest! Totally no drama! Don’t forget they’re on our team, that means you can’t criticize them!
@marino deželak THIS is why there is no hope for this country.
I effing love Kate McKinnon she is gift from the heavens.
She is the best thing that has happened to SNL in years. :)
Tekno Pathetic Yeah. Weird is good. If you dislike her now, you should have seen her in Big Gay Sketch Show where she played Fitzwilliam, a little English boy who wanted to have a vagina and had an alcoholic stuffed unicorn named Trixie. I think she's hilarious.
That's cool. It's not your thing.
Alicia She's one of the only funny female cast members on SNL currently, Aidy Bryant is ok, Leslie Jones is so fucking annoying, Cecily Strong is funny(I haven't watched SNL and in forever so I don't remember all the women in the cast)
@@chayden153 I would say one of the only funny cast members period, male or female
100% of the comments are talking about the comments
Truth right here
I'd say 70% are meta comments. The other 30% are talking about how shitty SNL still is.
I know! It's hilarious.
better than the other option
Well, when the other option was MAD TV, we tended to assume there was no alternative to SNL.
But now we have shows like Key and Peele and Portlandia to compare it to.
I'd love to see Lindsay talk about depictions of other US politicians, like George W Bush or JFK or Nixon!
It is surprising how calm this comment section is.
Reading this comment thread in 2019 is like the last scene in "The Birds"
It really is, usually when a youtube video is talking about current politicians, the comments section becomes the American Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo 4K Ultra HD Edition.
I, too, like Kate's interpretation of Hillary. I'm not a fan of the whole shrill, beleaguered harpy wife she was portrayed as in the late '90s. Kate's captures the essence of her demeanor while exaggerating it in amusing ways.
I hadn't seen that meme video before and lost my shit, lol! Holy hell, what the ffffff that was hilARIOUS!
Nice vid. Entertaining and educational. :)
there’s a certain sadness in this video. this is a little time capsule from Before.
You are so amazing at analyzing every detail, already looking forward to the next LC
I remember in 2008's Grand Theft Auto IV seeing Hillary as the fictionalized version of the Statue of Liberty.
The statue of Hillberty
Wait that was Hillary? I thought that was just some terrifying alteration...
I always sort of wondered why people were so bugged out about Hillary Clinton until I learned that they literally forced her to bake cookies in the 90's and everything kind of clicked together.
Or, she's just a horrible person.
From the beginning, no one liked her cause she worked instead of being just bills wife. And then she made that baking cookie remark and Bills team made her bake cookies. It was all downhill from there. She’s never really done anything serious.
Wayne Rembert everyone in politics is a horrible person. There is nothing to hate her more than quite literally any other politician esp the ones that are currently arrested, dead, or facing lawsuits for sexual abuse and assault
@@Katherine-en8lv The seventy some odd bodies tied to them would probably beg to differ
Aaron Sicard I see you’re new to world powers lmfao.
I think Hillary Clinton is going to be remembered by history. I mean, not for any good or bad reason in particular. Just...how much of an impression she has and continues to make on people's feelings about women in power. Probably going to see a paragraph in a textbook one day about "Hillary Clinton's influence on women in politics at the turn of the millenium".
That or part of the lesson that we should never let overly entitled people who both thought they
*deserved* to be president run in the main election ever again.
@@gateauxq4604 Yeah I feel that if ANYONE else had sat on the Democratic ticket, they could've won. But Hillary was the worst candidate the Democrats had
A horrible influence.
@@Jamie-kg8ig Both major parties had the worst candidates
@@patrickcorby1423 come one. One was far worse than the other, no competition. She was an awful candidate but on balance, the winner was worse by almost every metric.
I like your stuff, I've been binge watching it a crap load lately and I really enjoy everything so far. Probably the best from Channel Awesome as far as I'm concerned.
I think Hillary is incredibly lucky in who her opposition candidate this year is; then again so is Trump. If either of them were running against somebody else they would most likely lose.
Ehh, of the republican candidates Trumps probably the one she had worst odds against. Cruz would probably have been the 'best' candidate for Hillary, after all, he is the Zodiac Killer.
I agree that both of them would prob loose to a tree(atleast those won't blow up the country)
Tom, Tom... Tom. If Trump wasn't running, this would be an actual election, not a reality show. Hillary wouldn't even be in 3rd place.
Where is an honest Redwood or Jacaranda to lead us in our time of corruption and double-speak ; _ ;
Vanguard Redwood? The cigarette brand from GTA?
‘Kate McKinnin’s Hilary is more of a villianous cartoon impression like Invader Zim’
OH MY GOD YOURE RIGHT! This really makes the world a better place, this phrase having been said out loud finally. Thank you, Lindsay. All hail Kate! All hail Zim!
Great video Lindsay! I love Loose Canon! :DD
Those SNL clips at 2:00... all of that was painful in hindsight. Yikes. And there's still fourteen minutes left.
Your content is amazing Lindsay, thank you for talking about all of these things.
Lindsay stumbled on something weird here: no, the Animaniacs episode as aired didn't have an original, alternate cut with Hillary in the chair, but YES, the original song (which you can find on the soundtracks) had the lyric "Clinton, first name Hillary." Tom Ruegger himself confirmed it to a fan: forums.lostmediawiki.com/thread/523/hillary-clinton-animaniacs-original-exist
So apparently, Lindsay Ellis owned an Animaniacs soundtrack on CD as a kid.
14:55
Kate Mcinnon is my favorite of the everything
Really awesome insight
RIP, Jan Hooks and Phil Hartman. Nice to see an old sketch. :)
This was brilliant! I'm loving these episodes that cover how a real-life person or event is portrayed.
10:30 This is satirizing Clinton's weird tendency to take on a Southern accent when speaking in Southern States. Specifically, based on her outfit, it seems to be ripping on a now infamous 2007 rally in Selma, AL where her fake southern accent was especially pronounced.
I enjoyed this and your narration was great. It was an interesting piece not only on Hillary Clinton but on the nature and evolution of how a person is portrayed in satire and encouraged people to think, rather than telling them what to think. Great job!
I think Kate did the best impression, not because it was an impression squared, but because it's exactly how many Americans viewed Hillary. She ran because "it was her turn," she acted like it was, and that's why it's not President-Elect Clinton. A lot of factors went into the voting issues, but McKinnon tapped that "well, duh" attitude that pols have the rest of America is pretty much done with.
The best thing that can happen is for SNL and the like to do impressions of the impressive amount of shitty Representatives, Senators, and Governors. I doubt they will, because we're about to have a Tweeter in Chief that'll distract any meaningful satire from happening.
I'll double down; the absolute best thing satirical media can do is completely ignore Trump and aim their criticism at federal and state level government positions.
Almost seven years later and... Oh boy this prediction did not age well! SNL basically parodied every single politician at this point!
O man, this is great. Please never stop making videos, the internet would be worse without you.
Why is this popping up in my feed now? This is from 4 years ago.
It's amazing how much the sexism of some of those older sketches feels cartoonish in the modern day. The only times I see men telling women to go bake cookies now are either ironic or people being very intentionally misogynistic. I wonder what today's jokes will look like in 50 years, when people will wonder how anyone could ever think like that.
Ironically enough, President Trump is acting as a real-life Saturday morning cartoon villain
What an original take.
Be real. President Trump IS a Saturday morning cartoon villain. He’s like if The Mayor from Kablam’s Action League Now was on Captain Planet.
@/X/EN Even if you only look at his policies and not his overarching personality, he really is still a villain.
Glad Lindsay thinks this was similar to Invader Zim, e;r and Lindsay have just the one thing in common
But which villain? Mostly a Captain Planet foe, or sometimes Zartan as president...
Hillary was accused of speaking with a Southern accent when she was campaigning for president in the South, so South Park spoofed it. Also, I wish you covered Madtv's impression of Hillary during the 90's.
As a European, I have never seen these before. I have always wondered why Americans' perception pf her was so weird, and now I know why. They can't tell what is real and what is not because of the media portrayal of her 😩
I have never seen these either, except for Kate Mckinnon’s. I’m American. I promise you, a lot of the 330 million people in the U.S. have not seen these clips from random shows. I promise you a few of us use critical thinking and understand what propaganda and biased media is, just like you in Europe.
Great Job! This must have been a lot of work. BRAVO!
Tina Fey as Sarah Palin and Amy Poehler as Hillary Clinton . Match made in heaven.
Anything they do together is a match made in heaven.
Okay but what I love about your videos is you know when to stop. You keep us interested with a good video for just long enough. Well done
Hey Lindsay, what happened to the cool Loose Canon opening you used in the Mystique video? I really loved it...
Honestly, I just totally forgot.
we all do some times
Great video and interesting theme! Thanks, Linsay! Looking forward to your next one :)
Now that was actually refreshing. I knew all this, but getting reminded in such an interesting way made me press that sub button.
I am curious.
This is amazing to see today, thank you. :)
Ah, was expecting it to be more politically charged, that's refreshing... Plan to do the same with Trump? If there is enough stuff on him for that that is...
why should she do one for trump?
in the event he loses, you wanna be topical
Just political fairness. Not that i would bother me if she don't
Well there's the whole era of the Apprentice when he was known for: "You're fired"
screw political fairness
This was really good! I enjoyed this :]
Your videos rock my socks.
I can't believe how long it took me to watch this one. So glad I did!
I'm so relieved this was actually a clever pun on words, and not a misspelling. This channel is like an oasis for smart people!
Paging r/iamverysmart.
recyclebin >using Reddit hyperlinks outside Reddit
r/cringe
Well done, Lindsay. This is probably the tenth video of yours that I have watched. Other presenters could cover the same material, but I find your videos to be entertaining enough to keep me interested.
Wow..... this video was actually pretty informative and about as free of bias as one could hope for on youtube.
As always Lindsay, a very interesting video essay. Thanks for taking the time.
I'm booting up Final Fantasy X, and To Zanarkand starts playing with the video paused on claymation Lewinsky's staired-up face.
Ah the research and the critical eye that went into this... that is why you are so wonderful Lindsay!
I can't wait till we get to Lindsey's video on Trump. Thats going to be just as hilarious 😂😂😂
Are there really all that many representations of him? As far as I know they all just portray him as an arrogant businessman with delusions of grandeur. Not much in terms of loose canon, unless there's something I don't know about (which wouldn't be difficult, I never paid much attention to him).
He's in home alone 2!
yeah I can't think of any that don't fall into that very narrow descriptor, serious or comedic
There are so so so many impressions and representations of Trump.
No shit? [googles IMDB]
... well I'll be~
I'm holding back the involuntary gag reflex to enjoy this genuinely entertaining video. Seriously though, great video.
Clinton is just really weird.
She is better than Trump, but being better than Trump isn't that hard to do.
Same goes for Biden.
COME ON JACK THE RIPPER; also great video as always Lindsay. But honestly, my favourite of the SNL skits had to be when Poeler and Mckinnon's Hillarys came together XD
I don't like her politics but so much of her hate is just not so subtle sexism
This was well researched and produced, thanks!
hey lindsey! could you maybe do a loose canon on some themes such as Artificial intelligence?
Really enjoying these Loose Canon episodes, looking forward to the next one :)
Kate McKinnon is a treasure.
Omg! Its been forever since I've seen you have a new video. On channel awesome or otherwise. good to see you still doing videos.
Amy Pohler is my favorite SNL Hillary. But Kate McKinnon is really delightful.
This was great! I love all the SNL portrayals of Hilary:) and the Invader Zim cameo made my day!!!
It's real crazy to see like, at the time presidents appearing in kids cartoons back in the day. Like that doesn't really happen anymore, at all. Could ya'll imagine sitting at home watching your stevens universe and all of a sudden Donald Trump appears?
I remember a cartoon where Michelle Obama appeared.
This was quite impressive, must have taken a lot of time. Well done.
Oh dear. Looking at the date on this...(ellipses intensify)
This was a fantastic episode Lindsay!
Sometimes it baffles me how hated Hilary Clinton is. Growing up in Venezuela, I would often see her being portrayed in cartoons or made fun of in shows, but they would never stop recognizing her intelligence and they would always say that she was the one in power. I loved her! There was nothing I wanted more than being like her. Then the whole Lewinsky scandal came out and I was just so sad that she'd have to face such humiliation and criticism for something that her husband did. I would think that sometimes people forget that she's still human.
During the 2016 election I kept reading the news and now I could understand more about her character, she's not perfect, but her policies resembled more what I support. And to this day I still can't believe that the US had the chance to elect a smart, competent woman with years of experience in politics and chose a buffoon with orange skin, just because they're afraid of women in power and she would start a war because women are too "emotional". I hope the years of fear with Trump make people reconsider.
You "can't believe" it because it isn't actually true.
Don't forget that she was kicked (not officially fired because her career would have been over at age 27 and her supervisor did not want to taint her for the rest of her life) off of the WaterGate case, channeled Eleanor Roosevelt thru a medium, victim blamed woman after woman that her husband had sexual misconduct (Gennifer, Paula, Juanita, 10's of others) issues with.
In a way I wish you had waited _just_ a little bit so you could have touched on SNLs take on the debates. _Those_ were glorious.
I really enjoyed your video, good job!
Prepare for "are you going to cover her lies?" comments.
+Matt Post
At least it isn't antisemitic comments. *cough* David Duke's "Israel money" tweet *cough*.
+Doughboy Devito Fucking hell.
+Matt Post
Yup, if a Southern Methodist candidate ends up having to deal with some hateful antisemitism, imagine the amount of antisemitism that an actual Jewish candidate like Bernie Sanders would have had to deal with.
Sad. I feel in Sanders' case any perception of antisemitism, at least if it was tacitly condoned by Trump would energize more moderates to him. Then again that's hopelessly naive probably.
I'm not saying Hillary employs death squads to cover her lies...
I thoroughly enjoyed this video on Hillary. You put it together extremely well! I like your style and look forward to watching more of your videos.
It'd be pretty amazing to get an update to this that includes portrayals in the aftermath of the 2016 election. . . and optimally, some discussion of how these portrayals over the years have impacted her political life, where we are now, and/or what the best responses might be to this kind of rhetoric when we see it.
I'm reminded of southpark's apology for mandogbear or whatever it was called? With Gore on climate change?
first video of yours I've seen. Very interesting and with great sound quality. #ProductionValue
The video is a lot more tame than I thought it would be. I applaud that. I really dislike the Clinton's, I'm voting for her, but I'm not happy about it (I considered third party which I know you dislike but the reason I couldn't vote for those two is because of their crazy ideas, not because it would help trump or whatever you say). I was a bit nervous coming to this video because, like Senator McCain during the primary in my state, whenever I heard praise of her I consider going for another candidate again despite knowing the others are crazy. Well done video, very nice!
What are your reasons for not voting for Jill Stein.
pretty much an antivaxer
Chigozie Nwachukwu she's many crazy ideas that while seeming nice, in implemented would destroy the country. A good example is her plan on what to do about student debts. I'm all for making college cheaper being a student myself and having almost dropped out due to purely financial reason twice in my first yea, but there is a practical notion. Look up her positions and ask yourself about the larger consequences of such actions.
Jill Stein is not an antivaxer she just wants more government regulations on medicine and vaccines.
Seriously though, great video. Great job Lindsay.
It's interesting how you can see the trivilization of national politics 20-30 years ago on TV. And people wonder why they got a reality tv star...
Another marvelous job!
Sooooo... is it me, or is the fear of an independent, powerful woman driving a lot of Hillary Clinton's portrayals?
That's easily part of it, but there's also quite a bit more that I'd rather not get into right now. :|
Fear? perhaps 'concern' at least, but mostly it's a rather novel concept worth mentioning. If we're talking comedy which most of this is, comedy is going to focus on the downsides of any aspect. *sigh* Honestly, out of all the women in the world to be the "strong independent power woman" Clinton is the best humanity could put forth? There have been worse men, if it matters, but certainly *far* better women than her.
You usually fear a crook
Yeah...
Yeah but she might be an ant-vaxxer and a Truther, so yeah she's got issues too.
This still hits in 2024.
Chez Lindsay, great video! You should have played the Disney Channel Original Movie Zenon (1999) where Chelsea Clinton was the President of the USA in that movie! Pretty interesting.
Really awesome commentary!
Notice how the scene in Sliders, a show about interdimensional travellers or something, has a magazine stand in the background called 'Bernies'. Foreboding much?
5:13 I remember having seen that version on tv here in Australia.