Can a New Law of Physics Explain a Black Hole Paradox?
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- When the theoretical physicist Leonard Susskind encountered a head-scratching paradox about black holes, he turned to an unexpected place: computer science. In nature, most self-contained systems eventually reach thermodynamic equilibrium ... but not black holes. The interior volume of a black hole appears to forever expand without limit. But why? Susskind had a suspicion that a concept called computational complexity, which underpins everything from cryptography to quantum computing to the blockchain and AI, might provide an explanation.
He and his colleagues believe that the complexity of quantum entanglement continues to evolve inside a black hole long past the point of what’s called “heat death.” Now Susskind and his collaborator, Adam Brown, have used this insight to propose a new law of physics: the second law of quantum complexity, a quantum analogue of the second law of thermodynamics.
Read the full article at Quanta Magazine: www.quantamagazine.org/in-new...
Also appearing in the video: Xie Chen of CalTech, Adam Bouland of Stanford and Umesh Vazirani of UC Berkeley.
00:00 Intro to a second law of quantum complexity
01:16 Entropy drives most closed systems to thermal equilibrium. Why are black holes different?
03:34 History of the concept of "entropy" and "heat death"
05:01 Quantum complexity and entanglement might explain black holes
07:32 A turn to computational circuit complexity to describe black holes
08:47 Using a block cipher and cryptography to test the theory
10:16 A new law of physics is proposed
11:23 Embracing a quantum universe leads to new insights
12:20 When quantum complexity reaches an end...the universe begins again
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So is this why life exists? Complexity goes up, life comes from matter, brain comes from life, conscious experience comes from the brain, inevitably?
BIG BANG THEORY: (copy and paste from my files):
Okay, for those who believe that the singular big bang theory is really true and that all the energy and matter in this universe came from a very dense singularity: Please also honestly and accurately answer:
1. Where did the singularity come from or did it eternally exist throughout all of eternity past?
2. Where did the 1 iota of energy come from to trigger the singularity to 'bang' one day in eternity?
3. What forces of nature existed to allow the singularity to exist and to 'bang'?
4. What forces of nature allowed our current forces of nature to come into existence?
5. What exactly is 'space' and how exactly does space expand?
6. What exactly is 'time' and how exactly does time vary?
7. What exactly is 'gravity' and how exactly does gravity do what gravity does in this universe?
8. How exactly do numbers and mathematical constants exist in the universe for math to do what math does in this universe?
9. RED SHIFT: Consider the following: Modern science claims that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it's one of the foundations of physics. 'IF' a photon red shifts, where does the energy from the red shifted photon go? And what makes that energy leave the photon?
10. CMBR from a singular big bang should be long gone by now and should not even be able to be seen by us.
11. There are other more 'normal' physical explanations for the 'red shift' observations.
@Jamie Clarke no consciousness is the first cause. Everything else in the universe could be reduced down to nothingness except consciousness. Consciousness gives meaning to nothingness thereby turning it into Infinity and creating everything creating everything. So I don't know if Consciousness is fundamental to nothingness or if it is emergent from nothingness but at this point I don't know if that even matters
@Charles Brightman the energy comes from the fact that nothing this is larger than infinity. And the act of giving meaning to nothing this means that it must be turned into something because of the information that describes it which is also more than information that describes Infinity so out of this duality the third part is created which is the physical universe. The Singularity is is the point of paradox where the absolute nothingness realizes that it can't be nothing when there's information that describes it associated with it which is also a paradox this is the point of beginning from our perspective of this Loop in the strange Loop. The other side of the Paradox is the ending of the last strangeloop when thermal equilibrium has been established and time has stopped yet complexity hasn't
@@youtubebane7036 "the third part is created which is the physical universe."
What exactly is 'space'?
"...and time has stopped yet complexity hasn't"
What exactly is 'time'?
Props to the filmmaker behind this. I loved the shot where it shows 5 flowers to represent qubits, then shows the whole tree of flowers to show the exponential growth in quantum states. Damn.
Wow really?
Maybe the filmmakers were on drugs? Some good ol' LSD.
@@nightmareTomek
Yeah very likely.
They think they can just say anything and it becomes reality.
If some scientists or body of them come up with a theory and they get a Nobel price or whatever it is they do nowadays to celebrate themselves, and years down the line it’s proven incorrect, they should be stripped of it and made to apologize publicly.
Stephen Hawkins went to his grave with one he didn’t deserve. He contradicted his own theory. He should be stripped of it postmortem, just like some brilliant people get Nobel prices postmortem.
@@nightmareTomek If you wait long enough everyone has tried lsd
Yea I agree, good cinematography. I liked the shot of the guy shredding tree branches while talking about the information scrambler
Oh Boi, what a good day to hear from Susskind. 😂 I am a big fan of his lectures.
Same here.
X2🙌
Smartest man alive😃
They are so good. He starts from basics and leads you gently into very foreign places of the mind.
He's an inspiration to all sus kind.
Quanta Mag is consistently one of the highest quality channels on TH-cam. Your staff are incredible.
"Quanta Mag is consistently one of the highest quality channels on TH-cam. "
This is called the insult by faint praise.
"Your staff are incredible."
An embarrassing ambiguity.
Quanta is the very successful pop-sci end of the sensationalist press, National Enquirer for math and physics nerds before university.
@@TheDavidlloydjones your ability to find insult within praise is what's actually incredible. Given that many of my undergrad physics professors would show or recommend Quanta vids in class, there's no weight to your quips beyond petty insecurity.
@@prithvib8662 murdered by words, well done
@@TheDavidlloydjones Who hurt you?
Especially if you have a custom fitted Tim foil hat
I am not a physicist but a physician . I do not fully understand a lot of complex concepts in physics but prof Suskind has been a source of inspiration to me and any time I hear his voice it is music to my ears . As somebody put it he is a very humble genius .We are so lucky we still have him around . Nobel prize or not I t think this brilliant man is a cut above his contemporaries and he is not a politician . Kudos to Prof Suskind !
Great! As an ophtalmologist and a keen Susskind fan I am thrilled to see another colleague having had inspiration of this kind of field of physics.
I am constantly looking for a symmetry or pattern in my patients. This same deep underlying sense of sort of natural harmony or balance can be found in the universe too. I I do not mean in any sort of metaphysical way but in how the nature is arranged in general.
It would be great to meet prof. Susskind in person but it is unlikely to ever happen. There are simply too much of us who admire his continuous inspiration.
Thank you!
Wow in an alternate universe, Mike Ehrmantraut got REALLY good at physics! In all seriousness, Susskind is is amazing, one of the modern physicists I have tremendous respect for.
It's like John Malkovich and Johnathon Banks had a child.
lol
To me he looks like he has no idea what he's doing. Some wannabe science.
Other scientists (like Sabine Hossenfelder) are complaining that some scientists approach physics from the wrong way. They invent a particle and focus their work on proving or disproving it's existence. And whenever the data doesn't fit their theory, they make this theory more complicated until it fits the data again. They call it good science even though it isn't. It's just wasting money.
@@hazode This is hilariously accurate
“My good friend Feynman” what a flex
Honestly though
Always great to see Mike Ehrmantraut at work!
one of the best and most fascinating youtube videos I've ever seen. This is actually insane how so many different interesting topics completely connect and link together like this. Amazing video. This is mind-boggling.
Just discovered this channel tonight (weird, as I've had a science-centric youtube account for a long time) but, I'm very happy I have. Anything from Susskind is wonderful to ponder, but the credit really has to go to the filmmakers and animators in this video. Really, very good. Subbed.
Me too
it would be my honor of a lifetime to talk to this legend
make that 83 lifetimes
This is brilliant! Keep on going, you're doing a great job!
It’s kind of at the heart of science that truly great thinkers like Susskind, or Ed Witten or Kip Thorne have been willing to seriously entertain seemingly crazy ideas that have subsequently opened up entirely new branches of research (like time travel and ancestor simulations).
I love that the back of Susskind's Perimeter Institute t-shirt says "it from qubit" (a variation on Wheeler's "its from bits") when the entire thrust of this idea seems to be the opposite. The "its" of the physical world fall into a black hole and essentially become just information.
So what they are saying is that if I stare at my latte long enough, complexity will evolve? Fascinating! 😅 love Susskind, btw. He always makes “complex” ideas graspable.
Does this tie-in with the conformal cyclic cosmology of Penrose fame in any way?
stare at your coffee long enough and it becomes a super-intelligent AI
The milk/cream will likely coagulate within a week. Within 2 weeks you may have some interesting mold growing.
I have just read that even if you do not stare at your latte, it is possible for a single dark matter particle to exist in your latte at any given time.@@marishkagrayson
This video just blew my mind. Some things just finally made sense to me. Thanks a lot for the video.
Incredible phenomenal channel please try to upload lengthy content
I am amazed how much they can pack into 13 minutes.
@@jamesphillips2285 me too
How awesome is to be in the forefront of cutting edge science?
The ravens in two of the b roll shots were a nice touch alluding to death, heat death though in this case. Great information throughout.
Excellent work Lenny, ty for doing the vidy and sharing in your words.
Susskink is awesome, comes from a working class background, and comes at theoretical problems from a mechanical/spacial view point
this was incredible. imagine having such deep intuition so naturally. he makes it look effortless.
His was a plumber making good money with his father before he decided to do something he loved. So awesome 👌
Everyone has intuition. Study carl Jung of the functions...
@Moodboard39 Thanks, but I believe you are referring to Karl Jung.
That's cool but I would like to point out that this video is wonderfully produced, very easy on the eyes. Subbed.
"I don't think like a mathematician. I think like an auto mechanic." What a great way to look at Susskind.
One of our contemporary legends! Always love to hear from Susskind!
This man talks with great confidence for a man that constantly starts every sentence with "if the universe is"
How did you measure the thermal equilibrium for a specific black hole?
I am trying to say that no matter what kind of results you gain at the end regarding black holes, just keep up the good work on quantum complexity - it is the new materials building age... whenever this age might come in the future!
This man is like the John Wheeler of our generation, full of ideas and insights that tremendously help young generation theorists like me to continue the holy grail of Q.Gravity.
Wheeler helped many young physicist to do physics. This guy brought a lot of mathematicians into physics who didn’t do anything that is testable. That’s not physics
Susskind is a great lecturer with great ideas including this " expansion of complexity" with almost no or very far end! It hasn't proved experimentally, though. I love him. He is a great physicist.
My conclusion is, that they have an idea of what they do not know..., and so far they know nothing
What a great production, QM!
One of the very few good science channels on TH-cam.
Thumbs up for the editing which is very kind to laypeople who need a visual connection to reconcile complex ideas 👍
Any other ones worth mentioning?
Susskind is one of the living man who I keep listening ‘till the end even if I am completely convinced that all his premises are wrong in a given sentence (say that the universe is a closed system) because I have a deep hope to have my certainties challenged and learn more :)
I learned general relativity from Lenny while I was in high school thanks to Stanford's free TH-cam content. He was and is such a fantastic teacher. I'm so pleased, now that I've graduated, that I get to see his ideas make headlines. He's an inspiration for me.
Fascinating ideas&perspective! I love He is making so much progress on complexity as well that he is choose this path. I think our view on black holes is still having gaps, mostly cause of the past theories. They are the fruit of our progress but also condition us as a Truth to overcome, towards a more universal and less complex perspective. In the end there will arive a more universal and less complex perspective that makes existing views on the matter more complete.
Probably there is no black hole paradox, it just is there from our limited knowledge&perspective on those.
Makes sense to me. The ultimate encryption is absolute random, so its thermal equilibrium.
I've always been kind of fascinated with this concept of complexity.
Mundanely it comes from my audio and IT engineering. I've noticed that the more cables you introduce into an environment the greater the literal entanglement.
2 cables can't really get too tangled. 3 cables starts to see some friction developing.
4 cables or more you are certain to have a problem.
When you get past 8 cables in use you just want to get out a pair of shears rather than untangle all of that.
I've used every cable management tool known to man. Implemented cable change logging to force people to think about what they are doing. It's always a losing battle.
😂 Ever since I learned about quantum entanglement I always flush the toilet, I don't want my privates to be entangled with strangers privates. QE doesn't respect distance or personal space
Haha there are literal scientific papers written about cable entanglement. And 1 cable can certainly get entangled, e.g. if you keep those small in-ear headphones and their cable in your pocket, they get 100% entangled, iirc they wrote a paper researching materials and stuff to make it entangle less. And you buy quality ones, you'll often see the fruit of such research, like woven fabric around the insulated wire
@NullStaticVoid
I once read that having gold or ofc floor cables to your transmission line loudspeakers (British made ones are the best) that in many instances they perform better when in a zig-zag configuration.
As for avoiding cable entanglement from Mobius energy I seem to remember that when ai had a Sony Walkman, my expensive earphones had a small carry case in which you could wind the earphones back into the case with a clear plastic top, so that the when the cable was wound around a circular spool the whole arrangement was like a string torus, this retained the integrity of the earphones and offered ample protection.
Not exactly saying these are solutions but this sprang to mind after reading your comment.
Mind-blowing !!!
"What is growing over here?" . A great question
When the conceous mind is asking the right questions, the subconceous mind is responding, it's like an ich that doesn't want to go away.
Nice question there old champ !!
Everything has an answer, if you ask the right question !!!
Circuit complexity as was mentioned seems like a good measurement. I looked it up and "The circuit-size complexity of a Boolean function f is the minimal size of any circuit computing f." And all finite computations can be performed with purely Boolean circuits.
Glad to see Leonard again
Now THAT is a really mind-blowing idea. If it turns out to be a good description of how things work, boy oh boy, it’s our vision not only of the universe and spacetime but also of life and death, especially once we understand the meaning and implications of informational biology, this new and fast developing field of knowledge. What a great time to be alive! Thanks Lenny and collaborators, this is genius at work!
😂 yeah. They’re sooooo close to figuring it all out
What hyperbole.
I smell woowoo
Of course a guy named Susskind thought black holes were kind of sus lol
will smith knows a great deal about entaglement and his wife's boyfriend knows a lot about blackholes
kinda sus, that susskind was his name, yeah
And you just ruined this for me
He's a physics professor from Stanford. I have watched only a few of his lectures. He has over 200 hours of high-quality physics lectures here on youtube. I didn't know Susskind's name until today, but his lectures are really great.
Looks to me like Süßkind = sweet child. Süß or süss if you can’t type it with your keyboard means sweet in German.
Thank you for sharing, I've been learning a lot about how the optics of an eye works🎉🎉🎉
I like Susskind too and have watched a number of his videos. He talks about computational quantum networks and hopes to apply this at a cosmological level. Starting at the Higgs Networked Higgs Mechanisms already do this and point to a computational fractal universe with complexity dimension 5.333 related to dark matter , scale dimension 2.167 related to dark energy, and calculated fractal dimension for the universe of 2.167 related to information. The fact that calculated fractal dimension equals fractal scale dimension points to fractal space filling - which relates to the new law Susskind proposes.
That's nuts, thank you for sharing that insight. It's mindblowing how close we're getting. The fact that this theory also points to a self looping effect of the universe is a strong sell to me, there has to be a mechanism like that for the universe to even make sense.
A notion that the end is the beginning is the only hypothesis that really makes sense. So Penrose cyclic cosmology is preferable for me. It makes sense, despite how extraordinary or hard to prove it can sound
I once heard that one of the problems CCC and an infinitely bouncing universe would have is entropy.
The energy availability would decrease over time.
@@SageCog801-zl1ue in-between aeons, there is no time so anything is possible
Its not hard to imagine space itself as the only fundamental physical object that ever existed. How rare it would be for points to have the ability to settle if there was enough uniform energy in a system like a universe. Each point only an echo of the original point that settled in the first place.
You dont make any sense
Thank you Lenny for this wonderful gift :-)💛💛
Love your work
That's pretty awesome. The more we learn about blackholes, the stranger they get. I've always wondered why they all point in the same direction. Almost like space DOES have direction.
I still think it's weird that we have no idea as to what gravity IS. We know it's affects, but not what generates it, nor what it's made of.
But I wonder if it is actually just time resonance.
I.e. time locally slowing down, and it's distortion has a by product that causes objects to draw closer to one another in space and time.
We don't learn anything about black holes, we speculate because we REALLY havem't the slightest idea. It looks to me that whatever these dudes are doing there is some wasteful wannabe science, nothing more. Complexity increases? xD Really?????
And how exactly do black holes point in the same direction? First time I heard that. Yet another, highly unscientific phrase. They might rotate in the same direction due to the swirl they're in, similar to your toilet flush going one way in the northern hemisphere and the other way in the southern one. But black holes do not point in the same direction.
Edit: oh wait! There's also the whole study on misinformation, how it spreads. Google some "stupidity of crowds" (in contrast to the wisdom of crowds). In essence it's usually one individual who makes his mind up first (in this example probably Susskink), and since he has at least some sensible arguments, people start believing it and spreading his thesis around themselves while phrasing it like a fact. Even if he is actually totally wrong, the masses don't think further to realize it. Study said Americans are especially susceptible to this misinformation spread.
@Soldier Boy I'm a denier of your quantum mysticism bullsh_t. And I'm not the only one complaining, scientists complain about other scientists coming up with idiotic theories in unscientific ways. They invent something, like a particle, to explain some requirement they made up themselves (supersymmetry), because in their mind math has to look pretty. And when data doesn't fit the theory at all, they make the theory more compliacted until it fits again.
These scientists waste money, think they're smart and are doing great science, and it looks to me like this channel and thousands of moronic followers support that.
Do the smart thing and shut up.
@@nightmareTomeksurprising you're not more skeptical of the study you read. I read one time that 86.79% of studies were wrong 50% of the time.
@@jesserigon I know you don't want it to be true because you know full well that it does apply to you.
I noticed under every single YT video tons of followers applauding the video and the videomaker for that grant wisdom they delivered. Everytime, no matter if that wisdom was clever and useful, or if it was dumb as hell, just stringing together meaningless phrases like "grass is greener on the other side". Similar to flat earth videos. People hear just whatever and they love it.
Certain videos attract certain followers, and when these followers are grouped together, they strenghten each other's opinion, even if that opinion is astonishingly dumb. You're the channels target audience, which are people who love comparing science to life in some mystical or philosophical way. They go "oh because time travels backwards before the big bang, that is like my life feels sometimes as if time travels backwards", and they feel like they've learned something. That's not physics! When I heard about the study, I wasn't the least surprised about the results.
@@nightmareTomek yes but did you dig into the study you cited? or are you just following what they say because it aligned with your assumptions? aren't you doing what you say other people are doing. anyway don't care either way about your opinions or the videos. it's jusr weird you assume watching a video equals agreeing with it. your world view has allot of assumptions baked in that you couldn't possibly have data on. like what I, or anyone watching, believe or don't
I always thought myself that there seemed to be a natural crossover with many body quantum systems and complexity theory. Information theory already grapples with concepts such as Information Entropy and so seems like with quantum information they are proposing the complexity will be treated as a higher order entropy too. I wonder how weird this gets potentially with the idea that black holes being potentially entangled with their Hawking radiation.
There are some Physicists working on what they call 'Emergent Gravity'. They are arriving to similiar concepts of Quantum Complexity, but starting with General Relativity.
Excellent video, thank you.
Wow! What wonderful video! Thanks!
So, complexity of a system creates volume inside a black hole? Can there be a link between our universe complexity increase and the measured expansion of the universe? Or between complexity and mass (and therefore energy and space curvature?).
Yes
It seems that the quantum information complexity growth model, based on quantum entanglement could be the answer to many things remaining unexplained.
The way he said this is where it begins again 🤩
Susskind is amazing. he make it sound extremely simple even though its very complex and complicated subject.
May I ask how to make complicated subject very simple?
@@sayyamzahid7312 its the way he talks about it make it sound simple. Never said it was simple.
Susskind is a very humble genius. We are so lucky to have him alive
He reminds us all that everything is a work in progress.
I expected an escape from the heat death of the universe to be post singularity problem, so happy we found a glimpse already.
I love the sheer quality of Quanta Magazine's videos
4:36 i just thought of the same example the other day, and here is a suggested video with the same example, TH-cam reads minds omg
I have been scouring the internet looking for an answer to my question:
~~Is it possible for the "observer effect" to have occurred in the early universe? I was thinking that a correlation of entangled particles 'observed itself' by accidentally defining the 'parameters' of the Planck mass. is something like that possible?~~
That kind of sounds like the computational complexity concept from 7:34, right? if I'm right, could this explain the quantum fluctuations we find in space? might explain early universe formations and the weird structures as well.
Edit: 9:16 What I'm thinking is plaintext(previous universe) -> (blackhole) -> encryption process(quantum state) -> my question(Planck Era) -> ciphertext(classical physics) With quantum chemistry becoming a thing, perhaps they found a cipher key to a specific type of matter.
@QuantaScienceChannel could you forward my question? lol I feel like it makes sense
Blackholes exactly do the work of that machine at 10:18 , crunches matter into fine particles, and store it in a high-density central receptacle.
I have been following this for a very long time. I’d like to know the connection between complexity and black hole volume.
Good news is Lenny will make up (concoct) yet another interpretation and/or derivation to finally explain whatever he couldn't explain before... he's great
This videos was incredible and inspiring
Leonard is a living legend!
What's neat about complexity is that it basically doubles for every new particle you add to the system. Its as if a black hole is a separate universe that you can't directly access but which you can provide nearly infinite free energy to at negligible cost.
Yes, a black hole is another universes creation. forever inaccessible and unknowable
That's what I think. I think black holes are the origin point of new universes, the matter and energy that is originally present when the black hole is formed becomes matter and energy in the universe it forms, and matter and energy that falls into the black hole later become dark matter and dark energy. Maybe increasing quantum complexity of the universe within a black hole is a mirror of increasing entropy in ours, too?
"provide nearly infinite free energy to at negligible cost" -- you mean every time a black hole sucks in a new particle from the outside, each additional particle is increasing the quantum complexity of the black hole exponentially?
@4:30 ok that’s it! You made get up and make myself a cup of coffee 😂 ☕️
“I have the brain of an auto mechanic” - I’ve always appreciated how normal and relatable he makes himself out to be and how he honors his blue collar upbringing.
I think the black holes and white holes exist somewhat together similar to life and death exist in a cycle.
My goodness, I sat in on Prof Susskind's lectures on Feneral Reativity! He is (was) very clear in his presentations, and I look forward to seeing these on Quantum Complexity. However, it is 2:30am so I will have to wait a bit!
*Federal Relativity
Could you balance an equation with complexity on one side and entropy on the other?
I love how he always saids his friend(s) when he’s talking about his colleagues!
True story, I just finished a paper on quantum gravity and when I went to reach out to my old professors I found out the professor that might actually have supported the paper passed away, so I emailed his colleague for one reason and one reason only: He looks a little like Leonard Susskind.
What
@@stymlice2332 dude it’s pretty self explanatory?
@@andrewiglinski148 was he also a sus-kind of a physicist?
So what happened next, how does this story end?
Bad story.
Is the volume inside a black hole created instantaneously or does the black hole continue to expand over a period of time until it reaches the limit of its quantum complexity?
Black hole grows untill it reaches maximum quantum complexity.
No one even knows if the inside of a black hole has volume. It could just be a portal to an alternate universe for all we know.
General Relativity states a Black Hole has Zero Volume. But Infinite Density. Since the Geometry we are working with IS Space Time "a Period of Time" is ASSUMED for Observer. But at singularity itself Instant vs. Infinite Time is meaningless because Time itself is an emergent property of Information Distribution which is propagated by Light. So the Event Horizon can Grow in Surface Area. But past that Time and Space are meaningless concepts. A Black Hole is Graphed like an Infinite Funnel on the Coordinates of Spacetime with the Singularity being at the End of the Infinite Funnel. Since from an Observer anything reaching Event Horizon takes FOREVER to reach it. Whether the "Volume" [Surface Area of Event Horizon is Really what you are talking about I.E. Solar Mass Black Hole vs Super Massive Black Hole is defined by Mass and we can determine Area of Event Horizon] is created instantly or forever is actually the exact same thing. Or a meaningless question.
You would actually run into a Double Slit Phenomenon. If you point a Camera at a Black Hole to watch everything fall into it. It would take Infinite Time. BUT if you viewed the Light radiating from said Black Hole's Quasar from a Distant Galaxy 6 Billion Light years away the Mass of the Black Hole would include the Things which the Camera are watching from its perspective that have not fall into the Black Hole yet.
TLDR Time and Information is a Function of Speed of Light. So any answer is some Meta-Physics Quantum Weirdness based on General Relativity Math.
Kruskal-Synige-Szeker is the Penrose diagram?
For an infinite space with quantum complexity could the properties of the circuits be described by a space filling curve such as a Serpinski curve?
Assuming superposition uniformity and symmetric regularity of the black hole interior.
I hope this brilliant man gets his Nobel during his lifetime... Love you, Leonard!
The part where they base things off Penrose diagrams seems wrong:
All of those horizontal yellow lines have infinite length due to how Penrose diagrams are defined, thus it's wrong to say they grow. Penrose diagrams are merely a projection (a map) of space and inferring laws from a misinterpreted and warped projection seems unfounded. Also instead of the standard Penrose diagram they start off with the whack version of a Penrose diagram that assumes that there's a white hole / black hole combination. All observations we have point towards white holes not existing.
Mike from breaking bad is a scientist 😂😂
Beautiful, thanks!
wow! this is such a fascinating idea!
Could the inside of a black hole somewhat resemble an expanding universe? When assuming that its geometry is non-euclidean (bigger inner volume than outer radius or surface area would suggest) and it already has an internal radius of hundreds of light years, would someone who entered it still feel a pull towards the singularity, or would that be compensated by the ever increasing inner volume?
What a thoughtful question. Your question gave me something beautiful to think about.
Are you a theoretical physicist?
@@jinminetics599 Nah, just an enthusiast. I'm actually a pharmacologist. Nice that these thoughts have sparked your interest :D
There seems to be a fundamental misrepresentation of what a Penrose diagram is in this video, and that in combination with the fact that no *paper* seems to have been written about this leads me to seriously doubt its validity.
The Penrose diagram is not Euclidean. You can't just look at it, go "Oh look this is getting wider as it goes forward in time" and conclude that a physical space is therefore getting bigger. Indeed at the extreme point - the singularity itself - this isn't a time where the black hole has maximal width, it's an infinitesimal point inside the black hole. Wide bit on Penrose diagram =/= large space.
Maybe I'm missing something big, and I'm completely wrong to doubt this.
But whatever I'm missing, it certainly isn't present in, or provided by, this video.
This is because a Penrose diagram is just one of the easiest models to map this phenomenon. It's basically a theoretical x-ray with which to organize known information. There are many other ways to map the exact same structure, however in this case it's just a matter of ease and simplicity.
It's easy to draw a 2d on a 2d surface, and it is based on euclidean geometry.
In this example his attempt is to put everything that could revolve around a black hole in one space, and to be fair he did actually a very good job.
He seperate two different planes on the skewed side of either a black or white whole combination, which represents recent theories which suggest it's entirely possible for a black hole and white whole to essentially be the same object separates by time. As strange as that is to hear, basically it means that one second you got a black hole, the next you could have that black hole releasing monumental amounts of energy, such as what we see in quasars.
Using this diagram he's mapping out on the board what's in his head, and honestly I wouldn't have done it any differently. Matter of fact in my thesis I provide a very similar if not exactly the same image.
As far as finding a paper, to be honest Penrose diagrams isn't the focus here. It is as simply put as possible, just a medium to organize information.
You could get the same result looking at the cosmic inflation model, the bell model, or in theory maybe even with just the CMB map, although it's a slight jump in logic to do so.
What he's talking about by pointing to a growing end is not to say that the black hole is, at any point in time, factually growing.
Rather the approach is to understand how it COULD be growing past a certain theoretical limit.
To be fair there's a lot more to this overall model, and your right that it's not touched on in it's entirety here.
But the diagram itself is literally just him illustrating the information in a way he can work with given his background, as a mechanic would be much more comfortable with this illustration then with, say, a string theory illustration.
The space that's growing is representing the growing size of the event horizon. How for example if you were at the center of the black hole, the edges seem to constantly be expanding. This would be because the black holes horizon grows as it feeds on matter, and that's not at all new.
It's just for a long time we haven't had a grasp on the internal makeup of a black hole to really put a theory like this into such a solid image, even in theory.
This made me want to go back to school. Living through new physical laws!!!!! "Everything eventually happens" I suppose. Exciting times...
Leonard is the man. I stumbled upon his book "the cosmic landscape" because the subheading was something about "they myth of intelligent design." You know, I was reading like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris diatribes on religion and thought this would be something like that.
Nah! Much more enlightening. My introduction to physics, really. And I've been into it ever since. And lost a little of militant atheism along the way. Thanks Lenny!
Susskind is the best! I'm sure he thought of this, but black holes evaporate. The complexity wouldn't increase to infinity as drawn. However, it would still increase for a while, so same idea.
How do you know Black holes evaporate? that is only theory. How can you or Susskind prove they have found an evaporated black hole? it isn't possible to find something that no longer exists.
If computational complexity plays a role in black hole physics, maybe there are phenomena related to complexity in daily life thermodynamics, supplementing the usual internal energy, entropy, heat, and work
geoffr5 • Bingo! 👍✌️
👍 is not for "computational complexity" which is Susskind's idiocy born of mental impotence, but for "suplement" which is true. ✌️
Careful, the principle only applies to Hilbert spaces (as in spaces with complex probability amplitudes), it is fundamentally quantum at least in its current form.
The video is a bit too cavalier at times about the difference between quantum and classical systems.
@@mikel4879 The amount of people with absolutely oversized egos in this comment section is astronomical. I don't understand people who seem smart and yet are super egotistical...I suppose it's just that they're lacking an appropriate amount of the "wisdom" component. Mike, you spew insults like a catty diva.
Such underrated channel
Very much in the "Yes. Absolutely. I know some of these words." level of understanding on this one.
I thought John Malkovich was about to drop down some quantum knowledge. Was clickbaited
Where can i get that dank shirt?
"Thermal equilibrium" on a universae level becomes a product of 3 independent modalities: (light speed radiation:tachyonic speed ejection)/Depletion. Particle break up helps to homogenize the system by dissociating aggregates into fields of common influence. So fields homogenize but black holes modally transform into inaccessible latent dimensions. Black holes create curvumferential equilibria amid radial simplifying transform. Fields create stasis equilibria; black holes create process equilibria like shock waves. Black holes are subject to mass capacitance limiting their life by size or by time unto collision with another boack hole. Yin Yang speaks volumes.
Happy Birthday Mr. Susskind!!
This is insane. But I came up with this exact conjecture after an acid trip. I was trying to reconcile physics and information theory to understand the nature of life.
(I work with both).
A lot of cultures have--check out the 'Creation Origin Myth' of the Congolese people. It's essentially Big Bang Theory. Frankly I think the human subconcious pretty much knows what's going on. We're in a black hole, it's a fractal and thus contains more black holes which are themselves universes. Universes give birth to universes.
No surprise at all 😁
Hossenfelder just came out with a video tackling the subject aswell, but with a different conclusion. Seems like this is the topic du jour of our shared self-organizing dynamic field of information :)
Holy crap, John Malkovich solved black holes. 😊
Damn 😂😂
Never noticed and now can't unsee 😂
Yes all this is brilliant but what’s the main motivation and implication behind this idea. I understand the role of complexity in the evolution of QBits as suggested fundamental units of space time, but what does the maximum complexity in the proposed 2nd law mean?
Clicked on this as soon as I saw Susskind's face. I love that guy, super smart with a charming wit.
Interestingly I have always thought of entropy and complexity as being near synonymous terms. What is the functional difference in terms of physics. Generally the more entropy the more complexity to the point that they look much like two ways of describing the same phenomenon.
Susskind is such a nice guy. Love this interpretation and the proposed Law.
I still hold that the "simpler" way to look at it is through information theory and dimensional analysis; spacetime itself decreases in dimensionality as we approach a black hole, and at the event horizon, from the perspective of the outside, the dimensionality of "spacetime" itself has shrunken/compressed *below* the threshold of what we consider "time", further compressing until at the heart of the black hole you've reached e-dimensional space-"time", at which point it must grow. This accounts for how long the Quantum Equilibrium takes relative to the "external" notion of time, which ends observability at the Thermal Equilibrium. It is in reaching that e-dimensional space that we achieve a "perfect" order, which is contrary to the normal interpretations of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. I posit that "spacetime" is "naturally"/neutrally pi-dimensional, that what we consider "time" is `pi - 3` in dimensionality. This accounts for the relativistic properties a particle at the *finite* speed of light experiences relative to the broader spacetime outside of it; and that speed is finite precisely because we're dealing with fractal dimensionality.
Also, can we PLEASE start moving more towards QuTrits...? We all should know that ternary is inevitable in that it's closer to e than binary; Knuth noted that decades ago.
Aside: take Einstein's 4D tensor formulations and rephrase them in terms of the Complex Rationals instead of the Reals, enhanced by our known physical transcendental constants. Inaccurate model, of course, but it allows for a coarse-grain modeling of an algebraically fractal spacetime, facilitating Quantum notions of Gravity in its full spectrum from Quanta up through the macroscopic properties.
From the outside perspective you wouldn't be able to conclude that because the shrinking makes it appear faster than light to you, but for someone inside of it, it wouldn't change for them, so its still a void to you. You can't use observation because that implies space and time relative to you, which are just illusory of your local experience, everything is still happening regardless. is space and time faster for an atom than it is for us? You can't know unless you are an atom. Maybe its extremely fast or extremely slow for quantum matter in relation to our experience but for any matter, it is what it is. Maybe it could be infinitely faster in the vacuum space around the matter which is why the matter may see it as slower than infinite. A vacuum space should respond before any matter does, how does a vacuum experience space time? You can see it relatively but I think its pointless because you can change your perspective of the system to fit your ideas.
@@AskEpic All models are false, but some models are useful. There's value in finding (coherent) perspectives on a system relative to predictive power.
If you wait long enough, nothing will happen.
I love that a wood chipper and tree work made it in here! As a tree service worker I love this! I am also fascinated with the idea all these people don’t understand that we are in a black hole now
We know there are still unkown players in the game, this will be interesting to watch evolve. How does this reconcile with Penrose's circular time idea? I wonder if the new law works like a wave function that interacts with thermodynamic entropy?
I was about to say that this concept rejoins Penrose's current hypotheses about the origin and shape of the universe.