Creating Your Hobby Space - HC 405
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- In this Hobby Cheating Tutorial, I take you through my hobby space, and reflect on the most important elements to help you set up your own hobby space for success! Hope you enjoy.
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Vince, you handsome devil. I’m currently planning an entire hobby room - the timing of this video couldn’t be better. Thanks!
best looking devil on youtube!
"prior planning prevents poor performance" added a new motto to my life
Great tips, a hobby space is key to consitency. Even if it is just a portable one you pull out from under the bed.
Absolutely!
I got into this hobby, very late in life. I always just played tabletop games and stuff like that and never really paid too much attention to miniature painting or terrain painting. But I have to say in a few months I’ve been subscribed to your channel, you’ve really up to my game! Thanks so much for all the stuff that you do for the community.
Vince! You are a cornerstone of the miniatures painting universe! This is a sold foundational piece, you are a machine!
Besides the Herman Miller and Steelcase brands it’s so hard to tell online what might actually be a good chair and what is a bad knockoff. Finding a place to go and test some out is so helpful!
Mine was recommended by a physiotherapist!
Love the emphasis on posture. If people can afford it, I find having a variable-height sit-stand desk amazing for maintaining good posture. If ever I feel the need to bend down, to get closer to a miniature etc, I can just raise the desk height to maintain my posture and keep resting my elbows or arms on the table as needed. Especially if, like me, the desk doubles as a computer desk; the height I keep it at for proper posture while typing or gaming is drastically different for the comfy height for assembling and painting minis.
The tip about keeping things in reach is so important. There's nothing worse than having to turn your house upside down for one specific tool and losing time you could be painting!
It's not mentioned in the video but something I noticed that I like about your setup - most things are VISIBLE. I have ADHD and thus my memory is pretty bad. I've found that having things set out on open shelves or displays is necessary for me to know where they are and be able to access them easily. If I have to store something in a bin or a drawer, it's gotta be clear plastic so I can see inside! "Out of sight, out of mind" and all that, LOL.
Great piece of advice!
I too have that issue, and have had great success by not only keeping things visible, but keeping them in open "containers" (bins with no lids) *with labels on them*. Like, "open glue" "unopened glue", "skulls", "daler rowney inks", etc. This not only helps avoid stuff creeping outward as it gets pushed out from putting other things back, but it reduces the executive function load of putting stuff back; it becomes easier and more automatic to put it back in its designated container than to remember where it's supposed to be or find a place for it that "makes sense". I tried this in the past marking places with tape, but I've found any sort of physical barrier helps massively; the cheapest, flimsiest bins you can get are great, you just need a "wall" they'll bump into when you push them out of the way. Being able to pick up a bin and fish around with it is an added bonus! Can't recommend this enough for us ADHD people.
Questions on MySpace? Lol. Always wondered what your painting area looked like. I essentially have mine organized the same way and my friends hate me for it which I'll never understand. Nothing beats a well-organized and clean work area with everything within easy reach.
Great advice! I can't stress enough myself how important a good chair is.
The more i took the hobby seriously the more time i invested optimizing my hobby space.
For me personal the most important part about it is feeling good working there. Of course theres a lot of corolation with productivity but in the end i just want to enjoy my time being there as much as possibly - especially since the hobby is my moment of calm in this turbulent world we live in.
My wife and I moved to a different city recently and bought a house. The house had two must-haves; a separate driveway for our RV and a place for me and my lifelong hobby. We got both. My workplace/den/man-cave/CIC (old navy) contains my modeling desk, storage shelves, reference library, laptop and jigsaw-puzzle table. And of course, several glass-fronted display cases for my treasures, models and figures and a plastic bonsai tree.
I can't steess enough how a good chair is important. I bought an used Herman Miller model Mirra and have been using it for office and hobby for almost 10 years and the chair is impeccable.
Any chance you do a video one day with some close ups of your painted mini cabinets? Would love to see some shots of your armies, if you ever feel like making that video. Thanks Vince! Great video as always
More and more convinced Vince is spying on me as I currently convert a section of garage to hobby space. 😉
I look forward to your photographing miniatures video.
Hey Vince, recent fan, I love all of your Hobby Cheating videos and have really boosted the level of my painting by watching and learning from you. Thank you so much for recording and putting all of these out there. I've not been able to get through the backlog yet but it seems like you have a video to discuss everything, and the playlists really help a new fan like me. I wish you all the luck and hope things are going well.
Thank you! That's wonderful to hear and very glad to have you along on the hobby journey.
Did not expect a Hobbesian argument for orderly desk layout 😂
I have been slowly building an entire room out as a craft/gaming room and I cannot express how much joy it gives me to have a space to sit and paint and I built it with mostly scrap left over.
Sage advice, all of which has been implimented already, but I'm glad you covered this. My desk has become a painting battlestation.
I just redid my entire hobby space this week.. The improved organization definitely makes me want to paint more. I need a better lighting solution, but I'm quite pleased with the upgrade. A comfy organized space is a huge win
My hobby space is also my kitchen table. My goal for this summer is to finish my current project, pack everything up and take a break from painting to be able to do other stuff. Like having breakfast without first moving the paint booth out of the way...
An air purifier helps with particles and dust as well
Thank you! I had never thought of nail polish racks for my paints! The perfect non expensive solution!!!
Happy to help!
My place gets dusty so easy. I dust and vacume my desk every week give or take. Its nice to be able to clear my desk quickly so I can whipe it down. Haveing tools in cups or anything rather then just spread out. Quicker to clean is nice.
Great vid Vince. Time for a revamp of my space. And I'm looking forward to the vid on photography - I've watched a lot and tried a lot, but haven't figured out getting my whole mini in focus
Thanks Vince, for the tips and tricks I always appreciate it!
My pleasure!
Small tip regarding the chair : you can often find Aeron chairs or equivalent from other brands on the second hand market. Often when offices close or refurbish you'll find lots of them. It's worth fishing for them.
Other than that, once again, a great and very informative video Vince.
Thank you so much for the time, effort and attention you are putting in putting together these!
Good tip!
My hobby space has 4 wheels, storage for a paint briefcase and a couple of model cases, a tray that attaches to the steering wheel and a dashboard to display my work 💪👌👍😊
Feels good when I watch a video from you and have already done most of what you have suggested (I need to organize in a bad way). Makes me feel like I might actually know what I'm doing lol
Logical video, and I completely agree with the order of priority that you chose. A good chair is critical!
Adam Savage refers to having things he needs regularly closest and things he needs less regularly further as orders of retrievability. So, closest is first order of retrievability etc.
You mentioned it a few times but I don't think you emphasised it enough.
The 'clean up step' at the end of a project or day or painting or whatever. Putting away the paints you used, storing the models, sanity checking the state of brushes, wiping down surfaces, replacing water/paper towels/wet palette sheets/etc.
You see some hobby spaces with dozens of paints and models all over the place, hair dryers and cables taking up half the space, etc. Each project compounding the clutter until that big desk ends up with a small 6 inch 'working area' surrounded by the spreading chaos.
“My desk is where I live, it’s probably where I’ll die.” 😂😂
Great advice, I live by the concept that you put the things you use the most closest to you and the least farthest away or hardest to reach. I would also like to add that it's good to evolve your hobbies space. About every 6 to 12 months I re-evaluate my hobby space and how I am using it. I look for things that are irritating me and find ways to eliminate the irritations. Finally I recommend having a glass surface for your table top. With a simple razor I can get super glue and paint and just about anything else I spill on it off of the table top and clean it up. I can also see the stuff in the drawer underneath of the tabletop in case I need to be reminded of what I've put in it. And if you have a 3D printer you should look into using the gridfinity organizers. Those allow me to keep my drawers very neat and tidy but I can quickly reshuffle things and move them from drawer to drawer around between drawers. This makes it a lot easier to re-evaluate my space every so often.
Solid advice, and perfectly timed. My current space is completely overrun with paints, basing stuff, etc, so needs a rebuild. This video was perfect. Cheers!
You can do it!
Amazing advice and these things are not talked about enough. I recently organized my painting space and it's so much easier to start painting.
Glad it was helpful!
The main issue with my hobby space is that it's a bitch to try and keep dust free. At some point I'm just gonna have to bite the bullet and do some proper cable managing and try to organize everything in a way where I can just quickly clear the entire desk and hoover it.
Due to a lack of space in my house, my painting room has to also be my bedroom, and it's just a total dust nightmare. I spend more time dusting than painting; it's very demoralizing.
This miniature hobby gets you into so many hobbies. Wargaming, Painting, alchemy, photography, interior decoration, organization, time management, ECT ECT
I just moved house and this is a good time to invest some time in a new hobby space
You don't know how much i needed this , thank you
For Aeron chairs and similar look for used office furniture, especially resellers online. I've bought 3 Aerons over the years for various purposes - all three are still in use - for under $500 shipped from Madison Seating. (Of course with inflation, who knows. I see some at Madison Seating for $499.) Right now, with a lot of offices in the US not opening back up used Aerons should be plentiful.
Excellent Summery!!!
Vince, I was painting up my Saurus Warriors and realized I had never painted up a drum before. Looking around, I couldn't find a guide to any sort of drumskin.
If you're searching for Hobby Cheating ideas perhaps a video on stretched animal hodes found in wargaming and scale models?
Good video, I think I have put off doing hobby work because my home space is rather disorganised at the moment.
Another home run Vince.
Super helpful hobby info, thanks man!
You bet!
Your work area looks similar to mine. My only addition big is a good 5.1 sound system, running off my computer that has 465 gigs of music. Yes, for most people that's overkill. My children and grandchildren call me an "audiophile" and they're right. I can build a playlist to fit the mood of what I'm painting and lose an entire morning or afternoon. My other addition is a cupholder for my coffee that I spilled once, and only once.
Great video, lots of valuable information. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Fabulous video as always! I suppose another thing that can make a difference is a desk at the right height too. I am near sighted, so I tend to want to paint up close to my face. Desks for me are too low and I would end up hunched over my object to be painted. But inversely because of that, I scrunch up in my chair and start spending a large amount of my body to force rigidity to stabilize the object and brush and hand and arms and so on to steady myself near my face with out the table/desk. Which for me that has always resulted in muscle cramps and stiffness. I think I would need a desk that I could raise up to elbow height for painting. But I am not sure.
If you brace your elbows against your rib cage and stabilize your hands by holding the heels of both hands together (or both hands against your miniature holder), I find that you can avoid most of that large-muscle tension and back pain. Further, by not bracing your hands/elbows on your desk, when somebody bumps your desk while you are painting, you don't have any problems.
The biggest issue with that is that you need to bring your light up to where it illuminates your workpiece well. I'd recommend a swing arm of some sort.
In addition to light temperature, you should also look for a high CRI bulb. For truest color, 5000K temp and 90 or higher CRI is best.
Hey Vince - Great video, thanks for sharing regards Liam
Glad you enjoyed it
When I'm told to clean my room: 😴
When Vince tells me to clean my room: 🫡
A bit off topic for the video, but, after I've picked my mid tones for my paintjobs, I always struggle in deciding how high I should go with my highlights, and how low to go in my shadows. I usually go with a nice universal highlight and shadow (e.g. Sunny skin tone and Payne's Grey).
I appreciate that the more reflective the material the higher/lower it should go, at least compared to less reflective materials for that particular paint job, but then I worry my more "flat" textures then won't have enough contrast in them for that paint job.
I guess my question is, to maximise my colour contrast, how big of a jump should I be aiming for between my lowest lows, mid-tones and highlights? An example, right now, I'm working on a little red skinned kobold. I've got hull red (VMC) for the lows, Abomination Gore (AP) for the mids, and going into a Bold Pyrrole Red (PA) for the highlights.
However, I feel I can't see the contrast/definition in his muscles too well. It probably doesn't help the thing is tiny, but I'm thinking I could try to run a contrast of Black Leather (S75), Hull Red, Abomination Gore, Bold Pyrrole Red, and Sunny Skin tone. That's probably not realistic for such a tiny model to try for five colours, so let's say just Black Leather to Bold Pyrrole Red to Sunny Skin tone.
It’s always tough, there is no one answer sadly, my general answer is go twice as far as you think you should and that’s a good start. For example, in that case, I would certainly go into the sunny skin tone for small highlights.
@@VinceVenturella That's all I needed to hear, I thought I should push it further. Thanks, Vince, for that, and the incredible work you've put in. You've helped me, and countless others on our painting journeys. Not just with technique, but also with larger life lessons.
A good office chair is the way to go!
I can see you trying to hold it together when you said the word "butt". However old we get, men still have that 7 yr old child inside of us hiding away just to rear up when words like 'butt' and 'hard' are mentioned 😂😂
As someone who has a very hard time sitting still or down even during a movie - would you think a standing desk could be a wise
Investment? I have been thinking it would help me a lot lately so this is perfect timing on this video!
I know several great painters that use standing desks and they love them.
Great video. I was hoping for an outside view of how you sit and work at your desk. I have my wrist on the table and find myself hunching over to get closer to the miniature... Maybe we can see that in another video
Great idea.
The main reason I don't airbrush more is because I don't have the room to leave the booth up all the time. Plus the bloody cats would get their hair in it. I'd love a secluded space (mine is in the corner of our frontroom) to paint but my wife and kids would hate it because I'd never see them 😂
Very good vidéo ;Thank' s a lot
Not sure of this counts as part of the hobby space but I personally can't paint at all without wearable magnifying lenses to help lessen the strain on my eyes.
Well done sir.
Some good, solid suggestions there.
Glad you like them!
Vince, where does your airbrush ventilation booth vent to? If it goes back into the room, do you feel like it captures a lot of the fumes? Thanks for this video and all your great content.
Yeah, just against the wall, and yes, it’s going through a HEPA filter. I do wear a mask when airbrushing, so that also helps.
Thanks for video Vince. I was also wondering what you think about the hight of the desk, and whether you have recommendations? I’m at the point where I think a slightly taller desk is needed, as I struggle not to hunch with my elbows on the desk while painting.
Definitely, you want to be able to comfortably brace your elbows on the desk when necessary, working higher is often better.
@@VinceVenturella thanks Vince.
Love the video! What do you use to hold you the paints you are currently using?
Just a small nail polish rack.
Please look into the negative health effects of LED Lights...Look into Full Spectrum
I'll give it a like.
Yesterday I dropped my brush on my t-shirt and ruined it. I remember you said something about making and selling aprons. This is an essential tool for hobby space. When we will get on?
I am going to be moving my merch store this summer to a new, much better store, and they have quality aprons. So coming soon.
Out of curiosity, what do you keep that green small blast template on your desk for? Cup coaster?
Yep, coaster.
Great timing, I have been considering doing some rearranging and rethinking of my hobby space. I got plenty of room and a lot of stuff to work with, but the exact setup feels like it needs some work. The biggest issue I have is distractions. The internet is full of so many of them, so having any sort of computer on near me feels like tempting fate, but my computer desk and hobby desk are the same.
Do you do anything to stop distractions and lack of focus? Would splitting up the digital and analog be a worthy solve, or is there perhaps a better way?
It’s hard, the digital is meant to distract us. It’s been built to do so. You have to know yourself, there isn’t a single answer here. If you are the type of person that can resist, then just start that practice. You could always set a reward plan, one hour painting, 15 minutes of distractions and set a cadence. So
In the end, you’ll have to find the option for you.
@@VinceVenturella I appreciate the feedback. Will try out a few things. Timers to keep track of the hours might be a good place to start...
Hey Vince can I ask about your posture while painting? Do you brace your elbows against the desk or the computer chair? I always default to gollum posture while physically painting... probably why I like airbrushing so much 😅
I move around a lot honestly, it's not a single position, I try to brace and lock for detail work, but otherwise shift often.
any advice for a chronic hobby space reorganizer? I think I'm still early enough into painting and this hobby that I find myself changing what I think is the most important every few months lol
Also woo loved this video :)
Accept it is basically the answer. I am always changing minor elements, and as you gain additional tools and paints and such, you will always find the need to reorganize. There is no perfect set-up, just the journey to improvement (much like the hobby itself). :)
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
how much do you invest into air circulation? This is always my concern. Airbrushing is one thing. Now that resin is a thing, I find myself straying away from workflow and focusing on how I can safely remove the particulates during the sanding stage.
Probably less than I should. But I have a mask if I'm doing something nasty and an air purifier in the room.
Hey Vince! I'm new to the hobby and I have a question about your air brush setup! I had assumed that I'd need to create my hobbyspace out in my garage because of the potential danger of air brush particles but I noticed that you (and many other YT creators) just have it indoors! If im painting with standard mini-painting acrylics is it safe to remain indoors with just an air brush tent and a few open windows?
It's fine, a mask and a little filter box that is taking the air through a HEPA filter and you're fine.
Hi Vince, i'm trying to get into figure and fantasy figure panting (i mostly did armour and planes until now). Should i start off small (32mm) and move up (1:10 busts)? Or do you think working on something big is easier? I've got a big collection of tools and paints from the other projects, so i'm comfortable with airbrushing. Thanks!
All size figures have their own unique challenges, I don’t know one is holistically easier than another. My advice would be to try some of each scale and see what suits you in particular.
I was just going to suggest this topic, I recently saw an ad for the MIXRACK and thought it was a great way to store paint and make it accessible. What are your thoughts on it? Seems pretty genius to me.
Not my style, but doesn’t seem a bad product.
Question for you Vince, do you ever paint late into the night right before going bed? Do you notice that if effects your sleep if you do? I have had trouble falling asleep lately and it coincided with a paint light upgrade I made that casts a bright white/blue light.
I took a break from painting at night and noticed my ability to fall asleep has improved. I’m a father of two toddlers so day time painting isn’t an option. I’m wondering if this light is the cause or it’s another variable I’m not considering.
I paint every night before bed, it's never bothered me, but I fall asleep pretty easy, different people have different responses to blue light.
We are going to need a bigger house !
lol my desk is where I live I’m pretty sure it’s where I’ll die😂😂😂😂
@5:40 idk Vince recently it kinda seems like the latter
Question i am in the midst of painting a Necromunda Delaque Piscean Spektor.
It has an exposed brain and lungs.
My question is how would you paint something like that to display standard?
What colors would you use?
And since a living brain has a LOT of veins on it, should i try and paint those or will it make the brain look (for lack of better word) to busy/cluttered?
Transitions between a deeper purple into a pinky color with pastel highlights. I honestly can't think of a time I've painted an exposed brain. In that scale, you wouldn't see the veins, so unless you feel you can really make them razor (and I mean razor) thin, I would skip it.
Does Vince ever mention "which" podcasts he listens to? TIA
Oh a whole bunch of stuff, painting videos, fun stuff, and lots of informational podcasts, I like to learn while I'm hobbying. :)
Any preference on magnifiers? I see most mini painters online not using them, and I am curious how they prevent eye strain on the smaller details.
I've found reading glasses are the best magnifiers.
There are many types and it's a case of trusl and error, I use a magnifying headband with changeable lenses, my best advice is look around and see , cheap is not always best and to expensive is not always the way to go. For me as I wear glasses it took me three pairs to get the one I use now, remember you get what you pay for, dont rush and I'm sure you'll find one that suits you.
I use a little sexy gogs cheapo pair from Amazon, (basically what Ninjon uses), they work pretty well.
Kinda close to first!
Also- comments for the algorithm god!
My lights are 6500K, should I replace them with a 5000K or am I ok with what I have?
That's a pretty cold light, it's not the end of the world, but you will want other lights then that you can move your stuff into and check against, as it's going to be giving you a very cold version of your colors as your painting.
@@VinceVenturella New ones it is then! These 5000K desk lamps are like $15, so if it's going to help im all for it. Thanks for the advice
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My space is called the lab.
I suppose I better look into getting a good chair to sit in. I’m getting old
There are four lights
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I would argue that standing up more regularly than once every 1-2 hours is better.
Always better to stand more, but I want to start with the minimum.
@@VinceVenturella Yeah, should have phrased it a little stronger: "I would argue that standing up once every 1-2 hours is not enough"
During the pandemic my employer disbursed a stipend to improve our “ home work space”.
I got an office chair that dubs as my hobby seat. It has made a massive difference in comfort. Totally agree with that as a foundation for happy hobby times.
Suggestion for a later video: storage and display options for miniatures where the family doesn’t necessarily agree that this is normal house decor :p. Things like shelves, cases etc. beyond the magnetic plastic bin. Thanks!
i just want to add, what helped me a lot was actually not painting at home, i just pack a box with tools and paints that i need, minis, water, cups, a newspaper, a portable light and papertowles and throw this all in a backpack. Pick a nice spot in nature/park bench (might need to bring a camping table), mall, coffee shop...etc and paint there. You can get into a lot of interesting conversations with the locals and might even sell a few minis to them. If you don't want to talk to anyone just put headphones on. No distraction, and maximum focus is what this gives me.
Also want to say to all that organization takes time and can be frustrating, even overwhelming at times. And of course you'd rather be painting! But set goals and work on it in stages. You'll get there, or at least be on your way!!
All lessons I’ve learned the hard way since my discovery of Warhammer destroyed my life (good stuff here; take heed, kids..). Only took 25 years. WHERE THE HELL WERE YOU 25 YEARS AGO?!?
Of all the workspace changes I've made, lighting and chair are definitely the biggest impact - honestly just a cheap light off Amazon is great; mine is a ring LED with a magnifying glass in the center and at like $60 it works WONDERS
Good for you with the light - magnifying glass in setup like that doesn't work for me at all and I would never recommend it; it's definitely something to try first before buying
@@Elfhelmthe magnifier was included in EVERY ring light at that price point - I can see how it wouldn't work for a lot of people; Jon's sexy specs are better if magnification is desired. I will say, I never expected to use it, but then I tried to put eyeliner on Yvraine...
Flow is real
actualy. sitting straight up is old info. they found out if you slightly recline a little you actualy take a hell of a lot of waight off your lower back and its actuly bettter for you. more relaxing to.
I'd say even be careful of chairs around the 100 dollar price point, I wanted to spend around 100 but when I went to office max and big box stores and sat in the 100 dollar chairs they were very uncomfortable. I got a net back office chair just over 200 and you would think it's a thousand dollar chair compared to the 100 dollar one I sat in. I would definitely try some out before you buy online, sight unseen.
Facilities guy here with a protip about chairs: vendors like Herman Miller (MillerKnoll, now) have truly excellent warranty systems. If you break an Aeron under warranty, they'll replace it basically no questions asked (this may be slightly different for a regular consumer, but it's how our commercial relationship works). And I'm sure you're like, "yeah, that's fine dude, but why do I care?"
Because they take those broken chairs, refurb them, and sell them to people at like half price. If you want an Aeron and you're just some guy trying to save a couple hundred bucks on his hobby, find your local dealer and call them. Tell them you want a refurbished Aeron. I've bought triple digit refurbished Aerons at work and I've had exactly one with an issue (which they also replaced under warranty... with a brand new one).
You may have to go physically pick it up from them (none of my furniture vendors do drop shipping), so bear that in mind. But it's likely still worth it to you.
And don't buy the $100 task chairs. You'll keep replacing them. Just don't.