Michael Shermer - What’s the New Atheism?
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What’s ‘new’ about the New Atheists? Atheism has been around for a long time. There are surely new attitudes and confidence. Are there also new evidence and arguments? If you think that God exists, that is precisely why you should listen to atheists and follow their arguments. Because hope can trump reason, you could be entombed in false belief.
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Michael Brant Shermer is an American science writer, historian of science, founder of The Skeptics Society, and Editor in Chief of its magazine Skeptic, which is largely devoted to investigating pseudoscientific and supernatural claims.
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"Most people are unaware that they do not know what each thing really is. So then, assuming that they know what it is, they fail to reach agreement about it at the beginning of their enquiry, and, having gone forward on this basis, they pay the penalty one would expect: they agree neither with themselves nor with each other."
-Plato
I don’t understand why people keep on trying to prove or disprove the existence of God. It’s been called faith forever and solely because everyone has recognized it can’t be proved.
Science also has NOT proven anything. It's called materialism and it has already been debunked by quantum mechanics
Correct- however, it has been disproved. See Rands conception of the fallacy of the primacy of consciousness
complexes and grievances from childhood.
@@Talmurid Not sure a philosophical conception is proof of anything? But it is an interesting perspective.
@@Augustus_McCrae Metaphysics necessarily deals with truth claims about reality, otherwise it would be useless and irrelevant. The validity of Rands argument for the nonexistence of God stands not merely as some philosophically abstract curiosity, but a undeniable truth about existence.
So advance atheism
the goal is to denigrate theism...
Noble.
Exactly. At 7:33 he spills the beans on their game plan and it's abhorrent to say the least.
No, he did not. @@mugsofmirth8101 ... he was exemplifying the way 'militant atheism' works by quoting their strategy and slogans but he was not identifying with it ,nor promoting it.
@@mugsofmirth8101 And at 8:10 he states "that's just not my style." Is this an intentional mischaracteriztion of his position by you or do you find comprehending spoken English to be too difficult?
THAT is not the goal of this atheist. Where are you getting your infirmation?
@@mikel5582 Yep and literally everything else he says in the interview shows that IS his style. Claiming something is not his style while his behavior proves otherwise. Actions speak louder than words.
This seems like it was recorded around 2010. Is that right?
Typical atheist
Carts out morality, but can’t justify it
Carts out Hume, but doesn’t actually embrace his skepticism
And playing the victim
Atheists justify godless morality all the time. This video wasn't about morality #facepalm
True
Developing morality without god is easy. Morality pre-dates religion by tens of thousands of years. The only thing religion adds to morality is a (long) list of people toward whom one does not have to be moral.
@@njhoepner
Is there objective morality?
You made claims, but can you justify them? How do you know the things you claim?
@@deanodebo you also have made claims, can you justify them? how do you know the things you claim?
Shermer's "I just believe in one less god than you" is no better than if a Christian were to say "I just believe in one more Jesus than you.". Oh and that's not to mention this ridiculous argument doesn't actually work on polytheists like Hindus and believers in Norse theology (which he tried and faled to make an example of)
He specifically prefaced that comment with a "monotheistic" descriptor.
@@mikel5582 actually he specifically mentioned a Norse deity. Pay attention.
@@mikel5582 In any case, the argument doesn't apply to the literally millions of polytheists in the world so that fact alone makes it a weak argument.
@mugsofmirth8101 You're objectively wrong. He states Apollo, etc. as examples of gods a monotheistic believer might be atheist to.
Then you attempt to build in some wiggle room in defense of your initial mischaracteriztion of his position. You're up to three swings and three strikes, just in this sub-thread.
The point remains that, with the possible exception of people who believe in every possible god, everybody is an atheist about at least one proposed god.
Seriously, this isn't at all complex. Maybe there's an easy-level sudoku you could spend your morning working on instead of taxing yourself over CTT videos.
@@mikel5582 You're objectively wrong. It's not possible to "be atheist about" a single god. Atheism applies to ALL gods. Once again you've demonstrated your failure to understand basic logic and English.
Even before modern scientific discoveries and inventions, the concept of God has always been evident among humans. God's creativity is the very mother of human inventiveness and discoveries.
Don’t argue with Atheists, you will never win. Sometimes as a believer I envy their unquestioning nature but don’t envy their hubris.
Source?
@@Theo_SkeptomaiIf you can't find the source of this information anywhere else, then use this as a source.
@@peweegangloku6428 I won't find such a source. In fact, I will find quite the opposite.
@@Theo_Skeptomai It depends on where and how you search. Also your objectivity matters.
I don't care one way or the other, so am I an atheist?
I like your style
Forget Atheism or Aliens,
we can't even find "GOD" ...🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
If tomorrow it was proved there is no god, most religious people's morals would go straight to hell. But as an atheist, my morals are not tied to any dogma or ideology, so my goalposts wouldn't change an inch.
"If..," But that hasn't been proved; therefore many people will act more morally than they would otherwise have done. And what will be the result: less immorality, even if God doesn't exist.
@@SuperBilge right they would continue to follow the ideology they've been brainwashed in until someone printed otherwise. And to the brainwashed masses, it is very hard to prove the truth even in the face of significant evidence. Why I try not to persuade anyone. Logic and reason z and let the realities fall where they may
What year was this recorded?
like most of the material on this channel, 10-15yrs ago
@@backwardthoughts1022 That's what I suspected, thanks!
One of the problems an atheist cannot get around is the fact that without God as a a grounding point for ones morals etc it all becomes just someone elses opinion & faith is far more complex than the strawman he just tried to build with that string of logical fallacy.
This is not a problem whatsoever. It’s a fairly tired and impotent apologetic offered most often by those for whom the greater entailments of the proposition have not even been superficially explored.
Assuming you are correct that morality stems from some divine source, which source is the correct one? It's still up to the human to decide which set of god-given morals is the correct set And some of those even change over time .
It's almost as if morals are man-made concepts to begin with. 🤔
@@mikel5582 right, these are all valid weaknesses of the position. And beyond that, even if we were to grant that morals are grounded in whatever god is agreeable to the person using this argument, then this still rules out the objectivity of morality as god’s will is necessarily subjective. Or, further, if god is merely the conduit through which we become aware of the objective truth of morality, then there are laws greater than god thus rendering this being no longer supreme.
With so many views on religion it's all just a personal opinion.
Considering their own history, their morality is all very subjective. They have no issue with supporting their obvious moral contradictions. They talk about how life is sacred. Yet they don't even believe it. They decide what life they consider to be important.
They scream about being persecuted because they can't persecute others they don't like. They cry about abortion while their own religion allows it.
They talk about religious freedom when they don't even believe it should exist.
They demand that gov stay out of their lives while pushing to restrict that right to others. All this to support a fiction of theological and moral superiority.
Morality is grounded on empathy which humans as social animals evolved and which most humans possess. We had to work together and care for the welfare of others in order to survive.
New atheism is pathetic.😂
How so?
You have articulated an eloquent and convincing argument. You must have been the pride of your debating club.
The planet is a goddess that I can perceive in this reality. So many people over the ages, including myself, have touched and communicated with Her conscious awareness.
Riiiiiiight
Sounds freaky where can I contact her 😂
Our bodies are in the Earth's mind.
As is evidence by the comment responses above 👆 the secularists in this thread have no argument whatsoever against Earth worship which is a legitimate religious position, especially among Native Americans.
@@MrKydaman atheists are too dumb , seen it a million times.
Complexity of the universe: The sheer complexity of the universe, with its intricate laws of physics and the delicate balance needed for life to exist, can be seen as evidence of a design or creator.
Anthropic principle: This principle states that the universe seems to be fine-tuned for the existence of life, which some argue points to a creator who intended for life to arise.
Religious and spiritual beliefs: Many religions and spiritual traditions believe in a creator deity who brought the universe into existence. These beliefs often provide individuals with meaning and purpose in life.
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Faith is at the very core of science because nothing has ever been proven
History warns us that it is the customary fate of new truths to begin as heresies and to end as superstitions - Thomas Henry Huxley
Truth is truth ... always and forever. It is only secular Liberals arguing that there are "undiscovered" truths that some enlightened secular Humanist will discover to challenge the believes & values of the ... majority.
I agree that religious people shouldn't think less of Athiests. We should all be free to choose what we believe without judgement from others, and that's why I don't like how this guy is focused on arguments and counterarguments. Just have your beliefs and let others have theirs.
He’s just answering questions. Besides, I heard they can talk to snakes.
Theistic dogma infringes upon the rights of others to not share said dogma. Otherwise atheism wouldn't be necessary #HappySunday
The problem in America is that a very politically aggressive extremist christian faction has captured one of the two main political parties, and it forcing their theologically vacuous agenda on everyone else. So we have the criminalisation of fertility treatments in Alabama for example, bans on books in schools, and a concerted attack on science education. We see it here with people who have not even the first basic clue what evolution theory actually says declaring it wrong on grounds that, if they weren't attacking education, would be hilariously misconceived.
If someone wants to sit in a corner with their fingers in either ears denying the facts that everyone else is using to building our civilisation around them, that's their right. When they're attacking the basis of the science and foundational technologies we all rely on, that's not ok.
@@simonhibbs887 Do you think saying that an aggresive extremist Christian faction has *captured* one of the main political parties is accurate. Captured as in completely taken over? The reality is that there are extremists on both sides, but the vast majority of people are left leaning or right leaning, and at the end of the day they really aren't that far apart. The problem I see is that the "other side" that you are cleary on seems to want to be extemely divisive and not allow people to have different opinions.
@@MrKydaman >"Captured as in completely taken over?"
As in dictated policy of specific issues important to them, such as reproductive health and science education.
>"The problem I see is that the "other side" that you are cleary on"
You would be wrong, I'm a committed free market capitalist and life long conservative voter. My political coming of age was in the late 70s and 80s, I was and am a Thatcher conservative. I considered the Republican party in the US of the time as my natural political ally on that side of the Atlantic.
Since then the Republican party has become a bizarre caricature of it's former self, selling out on the small state individual freedom agenda that lead a caucus of Republican appointed justices to determine the original Roe Vs Wade ruling. It's been subverted by a biblically and theologically illiterate Christian faction that's abandoned over a thousand years of allegorical theological thought for brute textual literalism which, nevertheless, is profoundly ignorant of what the Bible actually says.
For example biblically the 'pro life' position is completely absurd. Harm to a woman causing her to miscarry is, according to Exodus, no more serious than property damage. The rabbinical consensus was that the unborn are 'mere water' until their first breath, and as Rabbi himself Jesus would have been well aware of the religious law.
Exactly scientists were just studying science and not trying to prove the existence of God but theists use it as evidence. However, is the evidence proving it's their God because there are many different Gods. There are some religious people who are so delusional. I saw debates and the title says "watch the theist destroy the atheist" and I'm like where is the destruction part. Furthermore, it just sounded like theist using the scientists research that wasn't intended to prove the existence of God. It's like God of the gaps but for scientific evidence.
@@mackenziemarceau2616 thanks 😀.
"Scientists were just studying science"
My lady, you have here mistakingly reified 'science' as all this. One thing is most certain: science is a tool, a made up methodology by man, and in no way can be designated for: emanation, life, being, nature, energy, light, Aether, and so on.
Do Martian microbes exist? Nonbelievers: "I'm neutral." Disbelievers: "Probably not." Deniers: "Definitely not." Same with gods.
There's a lot more of us believers out here than you think Michael!
"Believers" is pretty nondescript. Believers in what?
@@mikel5582 Not believers but rather accepting scientific data attemtpting to explain the function of quantum mechanics..The Nobel Prize in Physics 2022 was awarded jointly to Alain Aspect, John F. Clauser and Anton Zeilinger for experiments with entangled photons, establishing the violation of Bell inequalities and pioneering quantum information science.. Now go and read the conclusions of their experiments and chew on this!
Believing in the non-existent is called "willful delusion"
@@vecumex9466 You seem angry about my non-confrontational question that simply asked for clarification of the OP's intent. So thanks but I have no intention of chewing on whatever hostile viewpoint you're peddling.
@@mikel5582 Not angry at all just commenting on your believers nondescript reference. Hostile? Are you kidding me!
Theism is comforting. That’s why. When you need it you make it up.
Thanks!
The guy would make a great used car salesman. The simple fact is he doesn't know, nobody does! For every argument he levels you could pull someone up with an argument that counters it. We just don't know and I suspect we never will.
Listen again. He never states that he knows anything with certainty. Do you know with certainty that a pink elephant doesn't materize in your living room every night while you're sleeping? No, you don't know that with certainty. However, since there's a lack of pink elephant evidence, it's a reasonable conclusion that it most likely doesn't exist. There is the same amount of reliable evidence for the existence of gods; i.e., none whatsoever. You *_want_* to believe in a god and that's fine. Just don't expect people who draw conclusions based on reliable evidence to abandon reason and believe like you.
“Michael” is an irrational object credit giving idolator.
Wondering how long it takes until someone here writes "Stalin was an atheist"...it never gets old
Every time God did one of his many despicably immoral deeds, he must have been going through one of his atheistic phases where he didn't believe in himself.
There's really not much point. The entire USSR was an atheist state that criminalized religious practice (unless you were jewish). Everything else follows from that, so Stalin being atheist is just a given as every Soviet leader was anyway.
I look forward to a similar comment: "Stalin was a priest."
The OT "God" is Stalin 2.0 😂
mind as an emergent property of particles certainly means there is no difference between why something should be assembled or not. it is literally meaningless.
We get morality from God and morality exists so God must exist - that circular argument makes my head explode.
If its goal is to show you can be as moral and ethical as religious, there's no need to separate and criticize a group with the same goals. Neither side is provable, so it's being spiteful and condescending as the main impetus.
The problem is when they don't have the same goals, as in Alabama and education systems across the US.
Not "as moral"; far, far *_more_* moral than the average believer.
@@mikel5582 Nonsense, just as arrogant and gullible.
I think that some believers in God or religion are amongst the most immoral people on earth, while others are amongst the most moral people on earth. Try to understand why this may indeed be the case, dear Shermer & Co.
Im an atheist if belief in the Supernatural is necessary to believe in God. I am a Naturalist who believes there's only one reality, Nature or the Universe. I agree with Einstein, Julian Huxley, and Spinoza who believed that the order and harmony expressed in the Laws of Nature which Science investigates best represents God.
‘The word God is for me nothing but the expression and product of human weaknesses,’ Einstein wrote to Gutkind, ‘the Bible a collection of venerable but still rather primitive legends. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can (for me) change anything about this.’
@@simonhibbs887 I believe that Einstein also made different statements about God and I agree that he didn't believe in the Bible or the Supernatural, but he also greatly admired the philosophy of Spinoza who in my opinion was a Pantheist.
Science is a method (Function) created by Man (Function) to explain natural phenomena (Functions) of the Universe (Function) composed of space, time, Laws of Nature, Matter & energy which are all Functions.
All Functions ... have INFORMATION ... like purpose, rules, properties, processes, & design ... which are abstract constructs & Functions ... that come from the Mind of an Intelligence. Information only has meaning, purpose & value to an intelligence.
There is zero evidence .. nature & natural processes .. can make, operate & improve the simplest Function 13.7 billion years ago ... or ... quantum particle, atom, molecule ... or space, time, Laws of Nature, matter & energy ... or the simplest Function made by Man ( a Natural intelligence).
Man will always believe in "the gods" because Man is a Natural intelligence ... with a Mind & intellect ... to always deduced by observation ... that anything with clear purpose, function & design can only be made by an INTELLIGENCE like Man. But everything in the Universe including Man's body has clear purpose, function & design.
Everything being a Function and Man's intellect .. is the reason Man will always believe in the gods.
But only the God of the Bible ... fully explains why He created the Universe & Man ....the sciences & free world developed by Christians ... and fulfilled prophesies from the Jewish Bible by sending His only begotten Son (Jesus).
Atheism is for fools .. who ignore everything in the Universe has clear purpose, function & design .. to insist nature & natural processes .. can make, operate & improve a Function.
New atheism, old atheism, doesn't matter. Question remains, where's "God"?? 😮
god's ded
@@speedstorm9917 It never livd in the first place lol
God is literally everywhere, personally inside every form and outside also.
What's the use of God.
@@PaulHoward108 Is its presence measurable?
Truth will bring us together, if everyone is an atheist everyone will be together, Zeus divides, facts will unite us. I wish you’d interview me
That's a grandiose fantasy.
@@johnnytass2111 religions are a fantasy yes
How can it be new? It’s twenty years old.
Atheism has been going for quite a bit longer than that. It’s all relative.
Shermer speaking of being black as though it were a theological position is one of the most cringe inducing, dishonest takes I have ever seen, but not surprising a secularist would do this.
Theists should be secularists too. Implementing theocratic dogma is unconstitutional
@@SamoaVsEverybody814 thanks for your silly opinion that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I posted.
@@mugsofmirth8101 Doesn't matter what you feel about Shermer. If there were a god/gods, it'd exist. End of story
@@SamoaVsEverybody814 are you upset with life, sir?
@@SamoaVsEverybody814 Another irrelevant comment that completely fails to address the subject matter.
If you're an adult I feel sorry for you because your behavior and intelligence level is that of a toddler.
I like this guy.
Soy ateo , no creo ser mejor ni peor que nadie, sólo sé que por mis actos y pensamientos tengo wue reponder ante mi conciencia sin ningún tipo de paliativo
Atheistic arguments fall flat because just as you cannot prove God's existence, you also cannot not disprove it. So, as far as mental masturbation goes, agnostic is the only conclusion. That says nothing about strong faith though. Christ said if you have the faith of a mustard seed, then you can move a mountain. That doesn't say much about the state of faith in us humans, even if we try.
Atheists don't necessarily make a positive claim that god does not exist, it's simply the absence of belief in a god or gods. I just don't believe such exist but I'm not claiming to know that for sure in the sense of having proof for it. I also think the answer to that question is that it's unknowable, so I'm also an agnostic, but an agnostic could also choose to believe in the existence of god anyway.
To go a little further, I think many of the conceptions of god various theists put forward are incoherent. I deny that those exist because they're implausible nonsense, or outright morally repulsive. However there are definitions of god that are so abstract that their existence or otherwise is moot.
@@simonhibbs887Hey, thanks for clarifying. I always thought atheist rejects the existence of God. I had to look it up and found my mistake.
@@scottc3165 It can mean that as well, it’s all good. As with most such subjects there are a lot of different variations.
@@simonhibbs887there’s atheists in this very comment section making that claim so you’re clearly wrong.
@@scottc3165what mistake? Atheists not only reject the existence of any deities but are openly in denial of it.
By God, "supremely intelligent conscious personality" is meant.
THE LESSONS OF LOVE
The Alternative to Projection
Any split in mind must involve a rejection of part of it, and this is the belief in separation. The wholeness of God, which is His peace, cannot be appreciated except by a whole mind that recognizes the wholeness of God’s creation. By this recognition it knows its Creator. Exclusion and separation are synonymous, as are separation and dissociation. We have said before that the separation was and is dissociation, and that once it occurs projection becomes its main defense, or the device that keeps it going. The reason, however, may not be so obvious as you think.
What you project you disown, and therefore do not believe is yours. You are excluding yourself by the very judgment that you are different from the one on whom you project. Since you have also judged against what you project, you continue to attack it because you continue to keep it separated. By doing this unconsciously, you try to keep the fact that you attacked yourself out of awareness, and thus imagine that you have made yourself safe.
Yet projection will always hurt you. It reinforces your belief in your own split mind, and its only purpose is to keep the separation going. It is solely a device of the ego to make you feel different from your brothers and separated from them. The ego justifies this on the grounds that it makes you seem “better” than they are, thus obscuring your equality with them still further. Projection and attack are inevitably related, because projection is always a means of justifying attack. Anger without projection is impossible. The ego uses projection only to destroy your perception of both yourself and your brothers. The process begins by excluding something that exists in you but which you do not want, and leads directly to excluding you from your brothers.
We have learned, however, that there _is_ an alternative to projection. ²Every ability of the ego has a better use, because its abilities are directed by the mind, which has a better Voice. ³The Holy Spirit extends and the ego projects. ⁴As their goals are opposed, so is the result. The Holy Spirit begins by perceiving you as perfect. ²Knowing this perfection is shared He recognizes it in others, thus strengthening it in both. ³Instead of anger this arouses love for both, because it establishes inclusion. ⁴Perceiving equality, the Holy Spirit perceives equal needs. ⁵This invites Atonement automatically, because Atonement is the one need in this world that is universal. ⁶To perceive yourself this way is the only way in which you can find happiness in the world. ⁷That is because it is the acknowledgment that you are not in this world, for the world _is_ unhappy. How else can you find joy in a joyless place except by realizing that you are not there? ²You cannot be anywhere God did not put you, and God created you as part of Him. ³That is both where you are and what you are. ⁴It is completely unalterable. ⁵It is total inclusion. ⁶You cannot change it now or ever. ⁷It is forever true. ⁸It is not a belief, but a Fact. ⁹Anything that God created is as true as He is. ¹⁰Its truth lies only in its perfect inclusion in Him Who alone is perfect. ¹¹To deny this is to deny yourself and Him, since it is impossible to accept one without the other.
The perfect equality of the Holy Spirit’s perception is the reflection of the perfect equality of God’s knowing. ²The ego’s perception has no counterpart in God, but the Holy Spirit remains the Bridge between perception and knowledge. ³By enabling you to use perception in a way that reflects knowledge, you will ultimately remember it. ⁴The ego would prefer to believe that this memory is impossible, yet it is _your_ perception the Holy Spirit guides. ⁵Your perception will end where it began. ⁶Everything meets in God, because everything was created by Him and in Him. God created His Sons by extending His Thought, and retaining the extensions of His Thought in His Mind. ²All His Thoughts are thus perfectly united within themselves and with each other. ³The Holy Spirit enables you to perceive this wholeness _now._ ⁴God created you to create. ⁵You cannot extend His Kingdom until you know of its wholeness. Thoughts begin in the mind of the thinker, from which they reach outward. ²This is as true of God’s Thinking as it is of yours. ³Because your mind is split, you can perceive as well as think. ⁴Yet perception cannot escape the basic laws of mind. ⁵You perceive from your mind and project your perceptions outward. ⁶Although perception of any kind is unreal, you made it and the Holy Spirit can therefore use it well. ⁷He can inspire perception and lead it toward God. ⁸This convergence seems to be far in the future only because your mind is not in perfect alignment with the idea, and therefore does not want it now.
The Holy Spirit uses time, but does not believe in it. ²Coming from God He uses everything for good, but He does not believe in what is not true. ³Since the Holy Spirit is in your mind, your mind can also believe only what is true. ⁴The Holy Spirit can speak only for this, because He speaks for God. ⁵He tells you to return your whole mind to God, because it has never left Him. ⁶If it has never left Him, you need only perceive it as it is to be returned. ⁷The full awareness of the Atonement, then, is the recognition that _the separation never occurred._ ⁸The ego cannot prevail against this because it is an explicit statement that the ego never occurred. The ego can accept the idea that return is necessary because it can so easily make the idea seem difficult. ²Yet the Holy Spirit tells you that even return is unnecessary, because what never happened cannot be difficult. ³However, you can _make_ the idea of return both necessary and difficult. ⁴Yet it is surely clear that the perfect need nothing, and you cannot experience perfection as a difficult accomplishment, because that is what you are. ⁵This is the way in which you must perceive God’s creations, bringing all of your perceptions into the one line the Holy Spirit sees. ⁶This line is the direct line of communication with God, and lets your mind converge with His. ⁷There is no conflict anywhere in this perception, because it means that all perception is guided by the Holy Spirit, Whose Mind is fixed on God. ⁸Only the Holy Spirit can resolve conflict, because only the Holy Spirit is conflict-free. ⁹He perceives only what is true in your mind, and extends outward only to what is true in other minds. The difference between the ego’s projection and the Holy Spirit’s extension is very simple. ²The ego projects to exclude, and therefore to deceive. ³The Holy Spirit extends by recognizing Himself in every mind, and thus perceives them as one. ⁴Nothing conflicts in this perception, because what the Holy Spirit perceives is all the same. ⁵Wherever He looks He sees Himself, and because He is united He offers the whole Kingdom always. ⁶This is the one message God gave to Him and for which He must speak, because that is what He is. ⁷The peace of God lies in that message, and so the peace of God lies in you. ⁸The great peace of the Kingdom shines in your mind forever, but it must shine outward to make you aware of it. The Holy Spirit was given you with perfect impartiality, and only by recognizing Him impartially can you recognize Him at all. ²The ego is legion, but the Holy Spirit is one. ³No darkness abides anywhere in the Kingdom, but your part is only to allow no darkness to abide in your own mind. ⁴This alignment with light is unlimited, because it is in alignment with the light of the world. ⁵Each of us is the light of the world, and by joining our minds in this light we proclaim the Kingdom of God together and as one.
From: A Course In Miracles
Those "militant" athiests as you call them sound like bullies. Thinking you're more athiest by bullying others is just as ignorant as being a believer. It is a belief not a hierarchy.
Atheists unite! ❤
They try but end betraying themselves like Castro did to Che
✊️🫡
fastest victim card ever played...
Now ask him what is a woman.
“Be with our own kind,” really?! Ugh.
As a Christian, his arguments and points are pathetically bad...
But he's not a Christian...
@@randygault4564 I never said he was. Would you like me to rephrase? His arguments are pathetically bad and don't come anywhere near the coherence level of the more capable atheist philosophers that have written on atheism.
Which specific arguments are bad? Just because they *_feel_* bad to you doesn't necessarily mean they're bad arguments.
Have you ever taken university coursework in logic and reasoning? If you have, how well did you do? If you haven’t, maybe give it a try and see how your skills in argumentation objectively stack up.
@mikel5582 Oh I'm crying laughing right now 😭... you sound like one of Dawkins minions right now. If you want textbook ridiculous pathetic arguments, you can start right there.
Dis day new new
How A Militant Marxist And Atheist Found God, Please Explain That?
THAT’S WHAT I WANNA KNOW!
6:08 so where are you classified so far MS: well I'm an atheist uh I'm an I'm a huxian agnostic that it isn't possible to know if there's a God or not any ultimate scientific sense okay but setting that aside what do I actually believe I believe there's very likely no God at all 6:25 and where does that put your status in atheistic society 6:27 NS: ... I'm uncomfortable making people feel uncomfortable I don't mind arguing with them technically saying I understand why you believe that but let me just give you why I think it's not right okay that's one thing but it's another thing to say I think you're a or something like that why would I don't see any necessity to do that even though I might think that they're wrong in the same way I might try to talk a liberal out of this belief or conservative out of that belief I don't think it seres a useful purpose to elevate it to the wall goes up the moment you make fun of somebody's belief (so it's a technique on your part it's not ) as well as a personal feeling ( NS: yeah that's right technique it's just how I am so) 8:52 so what's your prediction for the new atheist movement as a political movement 8:57 MS: well I think think by say 2050 or so after gay marriage is you know we get through that and we'll look back on gay marriage like we look backing on the drinking fountains of the black and white drinking fountains and I think the atheists will be there a couple decades after the gays couple ... I mean optimistically I like to think in five years but on the gay marriage I've been syaing we're five years away for about 20 years now so I'm thinking you know what I better maybe some political change doesn't happen (prodiction for the first American atheistic president what's your year) MS: 2100.
Soon we will have atheist pride month. Lol.
We kinda already have that in June 😂
@@rosamorales729 National Migraine & Headache Awareness Month?
@@Newcenturion100 GrooomerPrideMonth
The believers do chase the scientists, actually saying, see the bible was correct.
This guy is suspicious.
Yeah, he's a skeptic. That's pretty much the meaning of skepticism.
And justifiably so. All god claims should be scrutinized to the fullest extent
@@mikel5582 Nope he's not a skeptic. He's a secularist. He's not skeptical of his views. He believes in them.
@@SamoaVsEverybody814 "there is no evidence for the existence of any god" 👈 That's a "god claim" right there but I doubt you would scrutinize it to any extent.
@@mugsofmirth8101 "There is no God" has been scrutinized into oblivion. Hence why the conclusion is always: NO GOD. Convince away though 😏
Michael Shermer @8:06 "I mean come on an visible man in the sky.
Dear Micheal, Allah is not a man nor woman and Allah do not have creational properties or attributes.
Quran 6:103 No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.
Nice one, friend. Yes, I too have read this from the Veda, bible, kolbrin, hermetics, and other such far more ancient texts than the quran.
@@S3RAVA3LM Can you provide reference for your claim, in each of those books where you read it?
@@rizwanrafeek3811 it's not a claim that the quran is a copy and paste at all, and not original. Because you are so biased, discriminate, self centered, obnoxious, condescending, arrogant, cowardly, and delusional, I leave it to God, for whatever his reason, for keeping a tight chain on you and blinding your vision, making a drunkard out of you in mind, and preventing you from true realization.
What is there to admire in the likes of you, rizwan? There's no spirit in you, no love. You're not a wiseman, poet, philosophy, artists, doctor, activist, warrior, godly man, altruistic, philanthropic.
What makes the dross of you think others should consider your ugly decree all the while you ignore everybody else? You think you're of Allah, and yet even Allah has rejected you.
Absolutely I can give exercepts, quotes, references, citations backing up my original comments. Allah tells me not to honor a demon who smells from 100 miles away.
@@S3RAVA3LM I understand you pulled it from thin air.
I think the best place to start here is what happened to the common usage of the term from early to late 20th Century. For atheism, my 1939 Webster's says, (roughly) "in regard to church or god, someone doing something else." My 1990 American Heritage says "a disbelief in God, ranging to a doctrine of disbelief". This is what I call the New Atheism; it's in the dictionary.
So many arguments against Atheism... For example things like music and math have no darwinian biological survival advantages. Remember, Darwin only hypothesized from an already existing ensemble of creatures, not the first one/not to mention the cosmological initial conditions that remain a mystery (existential physics).
Actually David Hume acknowledged that human emotion takes primacy in all of philosophical inquiry, which in turn makes atheism self-refuting since sentient existence is yet another example of the hard problem of conscious existence. And such existence is both physical and metaphysical.
Finally, politically, how would the atheist reconcile our ,' in God we trust' ... If I was an atheist I would move somewhere else.... LoL.
In reality, atheism seems to be just another religion....only they appear to have an axe to grind and resent those who recognize and embrace such aforementioned metaphysical phenomena.
Christianity is the new atheism in terms of edginess
Michael Shermer @6:15 "It isn't impossible to know if there's a God or not any ultimate scientific sense"
Me being a Muslim, I would say, it is impossible to know what God is made of, regardless of what the ultimate scientific sense maybe.
We can only know about God, through understanding God's attributes, people who had experienced miracles on how God answered people supplication, one might wonder, why these miracles do not happen to everyone is alike, it is partly because the free-will and belief and believing is an element in your heart and mind are missing and sincerity at heart also counts.
God do not change the condition of people, until people change what is in their heart, reference Qu'ran 13-11.
Quite an idiotic stance, rather a very dogmatic stance from a person with scientific temper. At this juncture of science, New Agnosticism would have been a wiser group to politically propagate.
There will be no presidents by year 2100. That’s a lot of faith right there. 😂
Neothink Royals are laughing
In America the Founding Fathers knew what happened in Europe with one religion having complete controll of everything why they founded America being a secular state . People have freedom to follow their religion or no religion ?
You must be American, one religion in Europe. All Christian but the same religion ask all the millions that died for that conformity. That’s simplifying things not mentioning Jewish and Muslims.
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What conformity when you have over 30,000 interpitations of scripture all fighting to control the narrative ?
It's just an ancient pagan theology trying to prove it isn't. That belief can somehow make it real, but just for their religion. Giving them a special get out of reality card that allows them to claim a theological superiority that doesn't exist.
@@thomasridley8675Thank you for sharing your atheism. I was just responding to there only being one religion in Europe, it was not that deep. Relax with your preaching.
@@truefact844
And what religion would that be ?
@@thomasridley8675I am not sure you would have to ask the O.P.
Rosicrucian Neothink Shekinah Dragon Silk Boomerang Nunawading
I can quite believes guys atheism his evidence about God is rubbish sentence keep it out God evidence. They are talking wortheless philosophy proceendings. Philosophy proceendings is guys mistakes because God evidence It is not true though with wortheless evidence.
Wow, that's a mouthful.
Heh?
Hmm…interdasting 🤔
There is a scientific evidence for the prime-mover... this so-called scientist should stop being delusional... hahahahaha
Shermer’s concept of religion is so kindergarten! Religion is not about revealing how rain, sun or phenomenons of life operates- 😂😂😂
Anything that discourages people from believing that their lives are controlled by imaginary entities is progress for humanity.
You mean like believing the State Government has your best interests in mind?
@@bowieupland6112No, the State Government is a real entity. It actually exists. I mean something that is exclusively the product of human imagination.
@@bowieupland6112 Of all the arguments one might come up with to counter the OP's position, that's the one you're going with? The imaginary state government?
@@windfoil1000
Do you believe that the State has your best interests in mind?
@@mikel5582
Yes, that's the one I'm going with. Would you like to answer: Do you believe the State has your best interests in mind?
Well, once again "Closer To Truth" posts an atheism / theism-related video and only the hand-selected comments are allowed to show up. Happens every time whenever it's either of these two topics, ... _so don't tell me it's TH-cam doing it!_
CTT never chimes in to clarify, so it's painfully obvious.
Agree. Any simple debate in the comments gets handpicked as to wether it's shadowbanned or not. Doesn't matter how civil it is. Makes it seem biased tbh
Maybe it's just a network or server issue. I've read your comments under many CTT videos. They're in no way radical enough to be censored.
@@mikel5582 And 0-1 is one of the more thoughtful contributors to this comment section. I hate not being able to debate him properly because his or my comments constantly get removed
You make others look really stupid. So, you got to go.
@@mikel5582 *"Maybe it's just a network or server issue. I've read your comments under many CTT videos. "*
... No, it's a "video topic" issue. It always happens when *atheism* or *theism* is the topic. I knew when I hit the submit button that my comments wouldn't show up. Plus, CTT doesn't feel our feedback and conversations are worth letting us all know that it's not them doing the censoring ... maybe because it is?
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There's a phenomenal man, a most wonderful teacher: Bill Donahue. This man covered quite much, and mostly focused on the Bible. What is most meritorious of his work, is in not using science to back up the bible, as if cherry picking, but by proving that the bible was based on science and is scientific from the very beginning.
Some such men yet, who want to be everything other than what religion is, which is understandable, are not able to acknowledge the truth mentioned above ^ and it's an absolute fact.
Too, remember: science is only a tool, and is endlessly revised. Therefore, any such: science vs theology, or science vs metaphysics, or science vs whatever, is already implausible. Would you compare or give versus between: hammer vs home, or hammer vs cottage, or hammer vs skyscrapper? No. Because it's stupid! It doesnt work like that.
Shermer is a clown. Sure, we can all spin things different ways....we can make anything look a particular way to further our own agenda. You may have the subscribers of PBS hoodwinked, but not me,....i've always a natural affinity to the Heroes. And yes folks, there has been heroes sent.
Shermer has the worst arguments if the lot. This is so 2006.
Spinoza is the answer
You guess well, I don't watch the videos because I don't have time because I am commenting in every video in social media platform available non stop, 24/7, 365 days a year, no holidays, no breaks, just work. I can not stop working because I am dealing with an emergency and lives are being lost while I am talking. The greatest knowledge of all time is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Share! Share to save your life! Share for God's sake! Stop pretending you don't understand and share! Share for your beautiful, innocent and vulnerable children! Share for life and love! I am trying to overcome the most severe and devastating censorship in history in a social media era trying to prove God exists fulfilling humanity's dream ending the war saving lives with knowledge. Thank you.
It's nice that your found time to post in between your 24/7 position as taste-tester for extra-caffeinated coffee.