Highland Minatures Wittamberg Wagon has a option on etsy to buy it with a cannon in it instead of crew. Use this to represent your cannons. Buy the empty one too, add the Warrior Priest pack and a Griffin standard for the War Altar. Pack in 9 War Wagon Models
I can’t help wonder if the multiple War Wagon lists will all be 3d printed, can’t see the regular one being cheap. Another great video, lots of cool ideas. The Nuln list is really fun, I’ve been struggling to settle on a list though.
As a side note related to the sky is falling crowd - this exact reaction is what happened in the Custodes community when the 9th edition codex was leaked and it turned out to be an incredibly strong book. Not saying exactly that will happen here, but you have to see things on the table before passing judgement.
It's silly they are making it a limited run. Yeah they might make a bit now, but people would be buying them for years to come if they were available. Absolute nonsense
The engineer in the wagon wouldn't give the full cover modifier if he was shot. He would count as behind full cover, but since he is a large target - enemy models never suffer the modifier for full or partial cover when shooting at the model with this special rule.
Great video, with a grand army wagon + alter + potentially stank list I worry a bit about the protection for our wizard(s), on horse or pegasus there is only potentially the one unit of white wolf knights in core
@CloseOrder I don't think people have played hard enough into detachments because infantry have not been v. Strong, there may be things in the AJ that turn this around.. only so many games I can play though but really keen to figure it out. One example, 2x5 man swordsmen (50pts) overlapping turn off the ability for opponents to get into the front of your units. Unfortunately rule of 3 prevents this from being tested too much in tournaments 🤦♂️
Can you put a general on the war wagon? I was thinking of giving him the dragon bow and backing him up with another 2 or 3 wagons and a butt tonne of archer to have some fast moving gunners with enough arrows to blot out the sun.
Was looking forward to this. It's crazy how much empire players are whining, the book is fantastic! Really makes me want to start an empire army and they've brought back so many awesome models like teutogen guard and the wagon.
It’s a little disappointing because it’s the worst arcane journal imo, the war wagon is great but I think the 2 armies of infamy are unusable in a meta tournament
The book really isn't fantastic, the drawbacks for each good thing are massive. The Knight list sounds fun in theory but not when you see how much of the army list you can no longer take. Nuln looks good but the loss of wizard Lords is massive The book is exactly like the grand army book. Overall mediocre with some very bad options and some very good options you pay for points wise. It is interesting now empire have 3 unique heavy chariot options though
@@jacktowle3664 totally disagree, think it's one of the best, makes empire far more interesting to play, much more fun that the bret one for sure. Tournament meta is a terrible metric, espeically in the current uncomped environment. We know an faq/matched play guide is coming with new scenarios that will completely change the meta anyway, and basically make most tournament dominating lists illegal anyway.
@ mould was terrible. Even recasters have health warnings about how rubbish it is. A famously terrible model to make. It is out there from recasters if you really want it. I don’t see it ever returning officially
If the War Wagon doesn't break what it hits it will suffer in an ongoing fight, and WS and BS of 3 is awful. I wish they'd given the non-missile weapon crew handguns, and the "hand weapon" crew halberds just to make their puny attacks a bit more worthwhile in volume. Also - The "blunderbuss" used to be a grenade launching blunderbuss in earlier editions so this is a minor let down too. Only benefit is that this is cheap, tough, has a good save and a good few wounds.
Yeah that is really insane. It is going to be expensive. It's going to be a decent piece that most Empire players will want and probably want more than one. People would have been buying them for years if they were available. But we get a few weeks right after Christmas with little notice, another brilliant move by GW.
I wonder how two horses can pull that thing at a movement rate of 7". Anyone not familiar with it is going to be to have a nasty surprise the first time they face one.
How "noob" friendly would this be? And by "noob" I mean someone who has never played WarHammer Fantasy... or 40k.. or Blood Bowl.. I just love engineers, tanks, war wagons, guns, and Germany! I don't want any other faction, maybe a few small ones, but I love the Empire
This is not the best version of the list, we're very early on in testing how it plays, but War Wagons being so tanky makes the list inherently easier to play - so a couple of engineer characters with Ward saves on War Wagons is definitely a solid place to start with a beginners list!
8 is more than I'd recommend! Start with 2, see if you like them and then maybe pick up one or two more. I'm finding the War Wagons as a mount for Engineers are pretty good, but I'm not as impressed by the ones you can just run solo
@@CloseOrder Thank you! Sadly I don't have a 3D printer, so if I get any after it would need to be if GW makes another Made to Order wave available some day. I'm hoping that is the case BUT I like to be prepared. Also, I have a secondary plan for some of the War Wagons. I am making a Christmas themed army and Halloween themed army. Obviously a War Altar converted into a Christmas Altar with some Christmas themed sleigh inspired War Wagons. Something similar for Halloween maybe. So all 8 wouldn't necessarily be in the main army but that is the max I could theoretically go for if it was possible
the landship sculpt was actually outsourced, done by one of the ral partha sculptors, their master has broken so I don't think they can ever remake it sadly.
@CloseOrder there are recasts around but I think even those are very expensive. a stunning model though. rick priestley wanted to be much bigger to match the fluff he had written for them.
If you look at what they're charging for the plastic kits especially their prices are notably cheaper than what you'd pay in AoS/40k. It's still a pricy hobby, but there's always 3d printing if cost is the main barrier to enjoyment
Unfortunately Large Target counters the Cloud of Soot & Smoke rule so no cover benefit from the War Wagon being next to Artillery
Thanks Ed, great point
It was dumb and shouldn't have existed, so fortunately it doesn't 😎
I will never financially recover from buying too many war wagons...
Well giving me your money won't help you!
But thank you 🫡
@CloseOrder hahaha
Highland Minatures Wittamberg Wagon has a option on etsy to buy it with a cannon in it instead of crew. Use this to represent your cannons. Buy the empty one too, add the Warrior Priest pack and a Griffin standard for the War Altar. Pack in 9 War Wagon Models
I can’t help wonder if the multiple War Wagon lists will all be 3d printed, can’t see the regular one being cheap.
Another great video, lots of cool ideas. The Nuln list is really fun, I’ve been struggling to settle on a list though.
I found an STL for a Land Ships, so that's 100% where I'm considering going!
@@CloseOrder That sounds like a perfect Marienburg theme.
Most definitely
The 0-1 per 1k for the steam tank is why I think we are ment to play at 3k. Also all the special scenario battles are at 3k
Agreed. Playing a 3k game feels far more like a proper battle.
As a side note related to the sky is falling crowd - this exact reaction is what happened in the Custodes community when the 9th edition codex was leaked and it turned out to be an incredibly strong book. Not saying exactly that will happen here, but you have to see things on the table before passing judgement.
thankfully old world isn't the awful, messy, video game on the tabletop that is 40k!
@ Agreed, 40k is a MOBA with extra steps these days, not a war game
The war wagon made to order is going to legit break records at gw.
I'm terrified of what they might charge.
It's silly they are making it a limited run. Yeah they might make a bit now, but people would be buying them for years to come if they were available. Absolute nonsense
The engineer in the wagon wouldn't give the full cover modifier if he was shot.
He would count as behind full cover, but since he is a large target - enemy models never suffer the modifier for full or partial cover when shooting at the model with this special rule.
War Wagon with an Engineer BSB sounds like a winning combo to me!
The war altar also has first charge so you can disrupt units that you grind to a paste with all the wagons.
Great video, with a grand army wagon + alter + potentially stank list I worry a bit about the protection for our wizard(s), on horse or pegasus there is only potentially the one unit of white wolf knights in core
That's a very fair point - but you can fill up your core with whatever screening units you need
I think the fire with an extra rank per game rule is for the supporting shots when your regiment is charged. Maybe thatll play well?
Oh, sure! I'm still not super sold on the detachment rule - but maybe this opens it up to some solid strength
@CloseOrder I don't think people have played hard enough into detachments because infantry have not been v. Strong, there may be things in the AJ that turn this around.. only so many games I can play though but really keen to figure it out.
One example, 2x5 man swordsmen (50pts) overlapping turn off the ability for opponents to get into the front of your units. Unfortunately rule of 3 prevents this from being tested too much in tournaments 🤦♂️
Would love to see you make it work!
What’s that, another empire video from my favourite old world content creator
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I'd argue a list made of 75% War Wagons still isn't enough of them
I like your style!
This question has been plaguing my mind for 2+ weeks since their announcement.
Jan Sizka would object to the question. The limit does not exist.
Absolutely savage intro 😂 I love it!
Can you put a general on the war wagon? I was thinking of giving him the dragon bow and backing him up with another 2 or 3 wagons and a butt tonne of archer to have some fast moving gunners with enough arrows to blot out the sun.
Engineers only, but I like the idea!
Was looking forward to this. It's crazy how much empire players are whining, the book is fantastic! Really makes me want to start an empire army and they've brought back so many awesome models like teutogen guard and the wagon.
Yeah I'm super hyped! Recording a full in depth breakdown tonight for release tomorrow, there's some real gems in here
It’s a little disappointing because it’s the worst arcane journal imo, the war wagon is great but I think the 2 armies of infamy are unusable in a meta tournament
agree. There is some meat on those bones. I like it.
The book really isn't fantastic, the drawbacks for each good thing are massive.
The Knight list sounds fun in theory but not when you see how much of the army list you can no longer take.
Nuln looks good but the loss of wizard Lords is massive
The book is exactly like the grand army book. Overall mediocre with some very bad options and some very good options you pay for points wise.
It is interesting now empire have 3 unique heavy chariot options though
@@jacktowle3664 totally disagree, think it's one of the best, makes empire far more interesting to play, much more fun that the bret one for sure. Tournament meta is a terrible metric, espeically in the current uncomped environment. We know an faq/matched play guide is coming with new scenarios that will completely change the meta anyway, and basically make most tournament dominating lists illegal anyway.
I’ll be making a version of the land ship (maybe some AoS overlords ship model) to act as the war altar then packing in those wagons!
You know they will have to eventually give us the landship again.
@ mould was terrible. Even recasters have health warnings about how rubbish it is. A famously terrible model to make. It is out there from recasters if you really want it.
I don’t see it ever returning officially
Some mad Empire gitz already building army of 5 warwagons, for FastN Furious at the table, for 2k games. For bigger games just add stank or altar
What does an actual Nuln AoI list look like for you? How do you get in enough magical defence without access to level 4's
That is the issue!
I think if I'm playing Nuln I'm leaning heavily on Outriders, they seem the thing that's best that's specific to that AoI
The withch Hunter 20 its common item for MR 2 on your characters in outriders units
If the War Wagon doesn't break what it hits it will suffer in an ongoing fight, and WS and BS of 3 is awful. I wish they'd given the non-missile weapon crew handguns, and the "hand weapon" crew halberds just to make their puny attacks a bit more worthwhile in volume. Also - The "blunderbuss" used to be a grenade launching blunderbuss in earlier editions so this is a minor let down too. Only benefit is that this is cheap, tough, has a good save and a good few wounds.
This is literally the list I posted on the discord lol
What’s really crappy is it being a made to order
Yeah that is really insane. It is going to be expensive. It's going to be a decent piece that most Empire players will want and probably want more than one. People would have been buying them for years if they were available. But we get a few weeks right after Christmas with little notice, another brilliant move by GW.
@@ClintOrrisI dread the price, I’m hoping for 2 maybe 3 but if it’s $150+ for one there’s no way.
@@MrGunnar177same, I’m wanting 3 and hoping for $90-100. Fingers crossed
Do you need an Ulric priest to unlock the WW knights? Or did I misremember that?
Nope! But they do synergise beautifully
Can the Lector take that armour? It is plate no? And he is capped at heavy?
If you wear any armour you can buy any version (e.g. light armour unlocks full plate).
Armour doesn't unlock shields though, and vice versa
i think ppl are sleeping on the hochland longrifle combined with ignoring range penalty and magick attacks from a witch hunter.
It doesn't ignore lone target rules so you can't snipe banshees 😊
How many points for 5-6 shots over the course of a game if you are lucky?
I wonder how two horses can pull that thing at a movement rate of 7". Anyone not familiar with it is going to be to have a nasty surprise the first time they face one.
Horses on the roids
Can you actually take a level four wizard in a city of Nuln army? My understanding was that you were restricted with level one and two.
you can't, but you can run a regular empire army using the wagons for engineers or in rare.
Nehrigen is right, but there's plenty of ways to wheel a war wagon!
How "noob" friendly would this be?
And by "noob" I mean someone who has never played WarHammer Fantasy... or 40k.. or Blood Bowl.. I just love engineers, tanks, war wagons, guns, and Germany! I don't want any other faction, maybe a few small ones, but I love the Empire
This is not the best version of the list, we're very early on in testing how it plays, but War Wagons being so tanky makes the list inherently easier to play - so a couple of engineer characters with Ward saves on War Wagons is definitely a solid place to start with a beginners list!
@@CloseOrder Excellent, thank you! I think I am hoping to get 5 War Wagons, I hope that is enough, maybe 8 if I can stretch it.
8 is more than I'd recommend!
Start with 2, see if you like them and then maybe pick up one or two more.
I'm finding the War Wagons as a mount for Engineers are pretty good, but I'm not as impressed by the ones you can just run solo
@@CloseOrder Thank you! Sadly I don't have a 3D printer, so if I get any after it would need to be if GW makes another Made to Order wave available some day. I'm hoping that is the case BUT I like to be prepared.
Also, I have a secondary plan for some of the War Wagons. I am making a Christmas themed army and Halloween themed army. Obviously a War Altar converted into a Christmas Altar with some Christmas themed sleigh inspired War Wagons.
Something similar for Halloween maybe.
So all 8 wouldn't necessarily be in the main army but that is the max I could theoretically go for if it was possible
More than one.
I disagree! You can make a proper tarpit with an engineer with a war save for less than 250pts if you want to go down that route
And still no Land ship 😢
If I make an Empire army I'm definitely running Land Ships as my War Wagons!
the landship sculpt was actually outsourced, done by one of the ral partha sculptors, their master has broken so I don't think they can ever remake it sadly.
That's a real shame!
There's some half decent STL's floating about though, so the dream lives on!
@CloseOrder there are recasts around but I think even those are very expensive. a stunning model though. rick priestley wanted to be much bigger to match the fluff he had written for them.
I would love to see how a new rule set would work
So the old war wagon model, the old Knights models? SMH. I want to like TOW but GW makes it difficult. Old models, new prices.
And it's Made to Order. High prices, extremely limited time to buy.
If you look at what they're charging for the plastic kits especially their prices are notably cheaper than what you'd pay in AoS/40k.
It's still a pricy hobby, but there's always 3d printing if cost is the main barrier to enjoyment
@@CloseOrder I'd rather they just update the models. Or have an upgrade sprue for the different Knightly Orders.
True but it’s better than not being available and it will be cheaper than eBay prices