Star Control II - Facing the Talking Pet Unprepared
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2013
- I couldn't find this scene on TH-cam, so I decided to do so.
This is what happens when you confront the Talking Pet (aka a Dnyarri) without the Taalo's psychic shield. Done in Ur-Quan Masters.
If want to do this yourself, I recommend saving beforehand as two full in-game weeks will pass and you will lose a huge amount of fuel. - เกม
"This is the worst news in millennia, possibly ever!"
He's not even exaggerating.
I like how the Ur-Quan was just lecturing the captain on the importance of responding to hails for a good minute or two before finally snapping out of it.
2:35 This is such a bro moment, he's willing to believe you and drop *EVERYTHING* on the *CHANCE* that there's another psychic out there terrorizing sentient life. in another timeline the Ur-Quan could have been friends...
That always did feel like the most tragic about the Ur-Quan: if it weren't for their all-consuming paranoia and self-righteousness, they would be one of the humanity's most steadfast allies.
@@Dracomut A lifetime of enslavement will do that to you. Especially when they're hyper-territorial from the get go.
@@Dracomut That's the really amazing trippy thing about how deep and well written that story is. The Ur-Quan Kzer-Za are unquestionably villains, but they aren't really motivated by malice, they don't want to or enjoy hurting people, they are just so traumatized that their genuine efforts to help people end up being harmful.
The Kzer Za are wise. Dictators, but wise.
A bro-moment? ...Yeah. As it is when the Kohr Ah won the doctrinal war and exterminate all other sentient life. They go round clock-wise.e
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Maybe, if they were not tortured and played with over thousands of years.
And the diabolic Kohr Ah are a threat only on this side we travel through hyper-space.
There's a Quasi-space, where the Arilou came from.
There is a "lower space", too, where the ORZ came from.
And there is another race which was "wisely" ignored by the Ur Quan.
The most stunning part of this dialog isn't any of the Ur-Quan's actual speech... it's the panicked huff of breath right after "WHAT DID THE CREATURE LOOK LIKE!?"
They have good reason. The Ur Quan are fascinating, some of the best villains ever written. And it's a tragic tale too.
The Ur Quan are a little... How shall we say... Territorial. Like, if two even catch a glimpse of each other,they immediately try to tear the other to pieces. Through sheer will, they eventually managed to suppress their natural instincts enough to work together and advance their civilization. Notice I said suppress, because that murderous rage is still there. Fun fact- there's never more than one Ur Quan per Dreadnought.
@@allenharper2928Fridge logic: who crews Kohr-ah Marauders?
@@mithiwithi The Black Ur Quan. While both offshoots vowed to never be enslaved as they had been under the Dynyarri (cant remember how to spell that) they had vastly different ideas about how to.orevent that. The Ur Quan Kzer za (the green ones) sought a solution through enslavement and subjugation of all other space faring civilizations, the Ur Quan Kohr ah decided the only way to prevent it was through total annihilation of all other species.
@@allenharper2928 My point is to ask whether the Kohr-ah had the same hunting instincts amongst themselves (which would make it tough to crew a starship with a bunch of 'em), or whether the Dnyarri bred that out of the soldier caste (at least among their own kind).
@@mithiwithi Ah, my bad. Actually, if I remember correctly, the Ur Quan were just one species. It was experimentation by the Dnyarri that created the two sub species, with the Kzer za being the commanders and the Kohr Ah being the heavy lifters/soldiers. Something like that
When he demanded information about the Dnyarri, I never was so intimidated by a game character in my life
Especially because he looks genuinely scared. He knows you have been basically dicking them about for two entire weeks, but he knows if there is even a tiny bit of a chance that a Dnyarri might have awoken, he NEEDS to know.
+ZorotheGallade
He looks scared? I can't tell; did his expression really change?
Sounds*
@@ZorotheGallade YOU DON'T SAY?
@@ZorotheGallade It's even better because you can hear the breathing so clearly in this part
The really funny thing is the Dnyarri was trying to get you killed but the Ur-Quan turned out to be too reasonable to be its executioners.
The Dnyarri was unlucky enough that you encountered a Kzer-za first. A Kohr-ah would not have continued talking long enough for you to snap out of it.
The same thing happened to me, and it totally changed my opinion of the space squids. Seeing this incredibly dangerous foe, suddenly scared and warning me of this thing made me realize that there was more to them. After digging around and learning their history it blew my mind. What great writing/lore
Indeed, the Ur-Quan are remarkably well written. It isn't easy making a tragic villain that perfectly balances depth and feelings of sincere sympathy towards them, while still making it so the player sees them as wicked and wants to stop them. Yet Star Control II finds that balance.
@@Dracomut They're driven by their fear and paranoia that they could fall under someone else's control, it's understandable that they're going to such extreme lengths to ensure that such a thing never happens again. What happened to them would drive ANY race to such depths of maddening fear.
@@Dracomut I found myself feeling rather guilty that I had no choice but to use a neo-Dnyarri to pull them away from the Sa-Matra. That, on top of the actual loss of the Sa-Matra, surely plunged their entire civilization into panicked terror. It's no wonder that the rest of the spacefaring races quickly gained independence afterward. I rather hope Free Stars: Children of Infinity finds some time to explore the cultural trauma the Ur-quan suffer after UQM
I love how you can hear the fear in the Ur-Quan's Voice!
"You must tell me, NOOWWWWW!"
This was a huge surprise for sure. :) The Taalo shield is so easily obtained that I didn't discover this thing until after several playthroughs.
The Pet has various lines to order you to get yourself killed.
This was great lore, what a treat for being unprepared!
I remembered the Kzer-Za talk about trying to get the Kohr-Ah to commit to a ceasefire until they could deal with the Neo-Dnyarri but that the Kohr_Ah probably wouldn't believe them. Its also talked about in the TV-Tropes page. "After hearing about the revived Dnyarri, the Kzer-Za briefly consider contacting the Kohr-Ah's Primat to discuss a cease-fire until the threat was dealt with, but dismiss the idea saying she would not believe it."
Am I the only one who really likes this voice acting? I haven't even played this game before!
You aren't the only one, I find Star Control II is one of the best examples of good voice acting in video games.
I love ^all^ the voice acting in this game, but the Ur-Quan Kzer-Za (the one featured here) is high in the list!
+J.R. Caldoon i loved the zoq fot pik, hayes, orz, and arilou are great too
@@Dracomut Especially considering the original game didn't have any voices. These were added later, by fans I believe.
You are partially right. The voice acting in The Ur-Quan Masters release is from the 3DO version of the game, which had voice acting unlike the original PC version.
@3:20 You can hear the PTSD
Thanks for sharing this. I've played through SCII/UQM about a dozen times now, and only recently got this particular chain of events. So much fun!
I sold it in one of my initial plays as I didn't understand it's purpose. Thought it was useful for exchanges only like Egg cases... that was in 1993 so no internet to find out what it really was for.
"We will abolish all punishment against you and your species" Hold on, really? These guys don't lie, so... maybe I would have thought about that. I wonder if they mean they wont punish them for the captain, having a ship, or drop the slave shield. Probably the former.
The slave shield is not a punishment for some crime. Itʼs a part of their doctrine. Every sentient species must become either slave or thrall. So no. This only means, they wouldnʼt kill humans for disobedience.
Yes, he was talking about the punishment for running around outside of the slave shields in a Precursor vessel. That's why he wants you to return to Earth and destroy your ship (the punishment will only be abolished if you start obeying the slave laws). The part you're referring to is a continuation of him explaining how the consequences for *"your* misbehavior will cause great suffering for your *entire* people" at 2:57.
Also, as Zefciu said, the Ur-Quan didn't impose a slave shield on humanity as punishment. Here's a quote where an Ur-Quan explains it was done to protect humans:
_"Although you consider us the enemy, these conclusions are flawed. We are your salvation. We bring you peace a peace built upon OUR social framework imposed upon your planet a new world order in which your prosperity and security are assured by the Ur-Quan. We will protect you from the hazards of this hostile universe, from dangers so hideous your simple minds cannot imagine their dark scope.... Soon, you will come to understand the boon of slavery we force upon you and then, you will revere and even love us for this gift."_
They're really just a bunch of overprotective mamas who go around adopting all the lesser aliens they can find. Once you're under their roof, you best follow their rules if you don't want to get the switch.
This dialogue is perfect when you're becoming sober after a binge and the police are knocking on your door and all you hear is they talk about their immortal war on the military and you'll be annihiliated if you do not surrender your WMD*s to the police.
-Morning.
"Hyperspace planet I"
Thanx! Great.
God what great villians / story.
TFW you dobbed the Umgah race into being annihilated if the Kzer-Za won
2 weeks and 35 fuel
Wait a second...
Ur Quan Overlord DO. NOT. SAY. A. WORD.
Hold! What you are doing to us is wrong! Why do you do this thing?
Personally I prefer the dialogue path you get when you mention alien mind control, where the Kzer-Za consider trying to warn the Kohr-Ah and aborting the doctrinal conflict to deal with the issue, only to conclude that the Kohr-Ah are too stubborn to believe it.
This one is good too though.
o...m...g... that was epic...
Y'know, I wonder if the Talking Pet would've been capable of surviving the Death March. I guess it depends on if they have any excruciators.
It can, actually. If the player isn't fast enough to stop the Death March from happening, the Kohr-Ah will eventually target the Umgah and wipe them out. However, the neo-Dnyarri/Talking Pet will survive, and can still be picked up. You won't even require the Taalo shield if this happens. In fact, the majority of sidequests in the game can be skipped if you don't complete them before the relevant species is wiped out in the Death March; The Kohr-Ah will just murder them all, and then you can swoop in and pick up the loot (the absolute required pieces being the Sun Device, to complete The Process and free the Chmmr, the Utwig Bomb, to be modified by the Chmmr and blow up the Sa-Matra, and the Talking Pet, to neutralize the main force defending the Sa-Matra). Only problem is, you're in the middle of the Death March so you've got months, at best, to get everything done and complete the game before the Kohr-Ah blow up Earth and you lose the game. So not exactly the most advisable strategy.
@@Spiritofpower24 this sounds like a speed run
At the end he mentions 'we will abolish all punishment against you and your species'
And I'm wondering if that includes the slave shield.
It does, slave shield is punishment for races that have decided not to join the Ur-Quan so they basically rot on one planet and fade into obscurity or destroy themselves
TheKnightOfSmite - The slave shield is not a punishment, it’s a status. When the Ur-Quan conquer your species, you are given a choice of whether to become battle thralls or remain imprisoned on your home world. The Ur-Quan don’t care which option you pick, which is why they allow you to make the decision yourself. All they care about is that they can control you, so you can never become a threat to them.
This Ur-Quan was not promising to lower the slave shield. Basically, the Captain had annoyed the Ur-Quan so much by this point that they were going to completely destroy Earth when they got the chance (after the Doctrinal war). This was an offer to cancel those plans - nothing more.
@@Nesendrea I love how the Spathi were all for being put under a slave shield, but those galactic pranksters the Umgah switched the sign the Spathi gave to signal their desire to be imprisoned on their home planet. Naturally the Spathi objected, and the Ur Quan impressed upon them how serious the path they gave was... By reducing a large number of Spathi colony world's to ash.
While the Taalo shield is ridiculously easy to acquire, I'm not exactly sure how you are to find it without hints. I mean, I found it by accident while exploring the Orz systems, but if you don't do this, how will you stand ANY chance of finding it? Are there hints to the Taalo homeworld location somewhere?
Orz outright tell you the coordinates of the "Taalo playground" if you are allied with them.
Not 100% sure but I'd guess the Melnorme hint at it too. They have hints for almost all of the important locations if you just keep buying.
I ran into it the first time I played since the Vulpeculae cluster is so rich in treasure worlds.
It's very easy to find without any deep hints because it's close by and there is a lot of good mineral and bio rich planets in that area. It's your natural direction of exploration. Plus it's the Androsyn hints which you get right at the beginning in the Earth base.
There are further hints by the merchant and I think either Pkunk or Arilou gave a hint too. Also the Orz tell you.
Is that James Earl Jones
But... Why does he talk like someone named Jervis who works at a fillin' station in Umpsquaw Mississippi?
Having all punishment abolished seems like a good deal! Does that mean the slave shield would be removed?
The slave shield isn't a punishment and, no, he's talking about the punishment he threatened your entire species with at 2:57 for catching you running around outside of the slave shield in a Precursor vessel. That's why he says the punishment will be abolished if you return to Earth and destroy your vessel. *If* you start obeying the slave laws, there won't be any consequences for your actions up until that point.
Wait, what? The Ur-Quan just let you live? They didn’t want to fight you? It almost sounded like you won the game or something, they said abolish all Punishment against you and your species. It almost sounds like earth will be freed from the slave shield
They had MUCH MORE important things on their minds at this point.
They didn't impose the slave shield on Earth as a punishment, they did it to protect humanity (and themselves). The punishment against you and your species is the one he threatened you and your *entire* species with at 2:57 for catching you outside the slave shield in a Precursor service vessel. Hence why you still have to return to Earth and destroy your ship (meaning, you need to start obeying the slave laws) if you don't want to face the consequences of your actions up until that point.
What if the kohr ah finish the death march?
game over.
Non-standard game over. Basically, they exterminate all of the races (you can actually watch this happen, their spheres of influence on the starmap vanish), and finish with Earth.
@@TKRuna So does that mean the Ur-Quan are not actually bad, they just are desperate to stop their cousins the Kohr-Ah so they force everyone to fight with them and those who don't want to help in the fight are punished by confinement?
Because we have to acknowledge that the Ur-Quan don't exterminate anyone, they subdue all races and when the races are defeated, they still give them the choice: help us fight our war or be punished by confinement.
They don't feel genuinely evil to me.
What do you think?
@@Maxime_Martyr That's still enslavement. The good ending is where you beat both of them.
@@Malachite7 Such a coincidence that someone answers my comment about Star Control 2 right when I just completed the game!
I hadn't played this game yet when I commented above. Now, as I just said, I just completed it just yesterday!
I played the last to date version, The Ur-Quan Masters MegaMod, who extensively enhances the original game!
Anyway, now that I myself completed the game, I know everything about the Ur-Quan.
Originally, they were a peaceful species who was part of a cooperation of 7 starfaring species, the Sentient Milieu.
Since they were solitary hunters, they served as explorers for the Sentient Milieu.
Until a scout mission discovered on a planet a malevolent species with minds control power, the Dnyarri.
When the Ur-Quan scout vessel landed on their planet, the Dnyarri immediately took control of the crew's minds and used them to get transported to the Sentient Milieu capital from where they rapidly took control of all species' minds, enslaving everyone into mindless tools, turning the Sentient Milieu into the Dnyarri empire.
All? No. One species of the Sentient Milieu was naturally immune to mind control, the Taalo, who were Ur-Quan best friends.
The Dnyarri weren't going to accept that someone keeps their free will so they used the Ur-Quan, who were their favorite pets because they were the most sensitive and vulnerable to mind control, to annihilate the Taalo.
Then, they decided that 2 of the 6 remaining Sentient Milieu's species were useless so they once again used the Ur-Quan to annihilate them.
Then they genetically split the Ur-Quan into 2 sub-species, the green who served as the thinkers (the administrators, the scientists, etc) and the black who served as the doers (the laborers, the builders, the soldiers, etc.).
Over millenniums, the Dnyarri grew lazy and so there were times when they released their control over Ur-Quan.
It is in one such lax moment that a green scientist Ur-Quan named Kzer-Za noticed that the Dnyarri released their control over injured Ur-Quan and so Kzer-Za understood that the Dnyarri felt what their puppets felt, making them disconnect from a puppet's mind when this puppet experiences pain in order to experience their pain themselves.
This was a fateful discovery, pain earns freedom.
Kzer-Za poisoned themselves and used a transmitter to communicate their discovery to every Ur-Quan.
Then all Ur-Quan started to inflict pain in any way to themselves in order to earn their freedom, they even invented Excruciator, a device which they implant in their brain which trigger excruciating pain, and slaughtered the Dnyarri, it was the brutal end of the Dnyarri empire.
Then they went to the Dnyarri home planet to decide what to do of the remaining Dnyarri.
They decided that death was too kind of a punishment for the Dnyarri and so they genetically suppressed the Dnyarri's sentience and used them as talking pets.
Then the green Ur-Quan who now name themselves the Kzer-Za in memory of the scientist who gave to all Ur-Quan the key to freedom and the black Ur-Quan debated about how to make sure that never ever again they would be enslaved.
The Kzer-Za concluded to themselves enslave all sentient species while the black Ur-Quan, leaded by a charismatic military officer named Kohr-Ah, would rather simply annihilate every other sentient species.
The Kzer-Za and the black Ur-Quan who now named themselves the Kohr-Ah didn't agree and so they fought each other.
The slavers Kzer-Za and the genocidal Kohr-Ah are the product of the trauma inflicted to the Ur-Quan by the Dnyarri.
The Dnyarri are genuinely evil.
And the Orz too.
And the Druuge.
And the Mycon.
And the Ilwrath.
And the Thraddash are bullies, I manipulated the Ilwrath to make both the Ilwrath and the Thraddash annihilate each other, good riddance.
Wtf is this voice? There were no voices in Star Control 2.
The 3DO version added in voice acting for all the characters, which the Ur-Quan Masters fan port allows you to turn on