24:43 According to the game's director Eric Williams there was a bit of mistake when they did the motion capture of this scene that they kept in. Christopher Judge accidentally missed grabbing the horn off of Heimdall's back here. He was supposed to grab it on the first attempt, but after he missed, he immediately snatched it off angrily on the second attempt. After they finished filming the take Chris apologized and said that he would get the horn off cleanly the next time. The director decided to keep it in because he felt that it would make sense that Kratos being upset by killing Heimdall when he was trying to avoid doing so and having Heimdall call him "Monster" would throw Kratos off a bit. So, missing the grab would make sense and then Kratos grabbing it angrily a second later shows his frustration, which fits the scene perfectly. So, they kept it in.
34:22 Roughly translated this is what Birgir was saying. "Cattle die, and kinsmen die, and so one dies one's self; One thing now that never dies, the fame of a dead man's deeds."
At the end of this prayer he would normally scream "For Odin!" but, because he freed himself of Odins teachings he did it for his friends, for Vanaheim.
It seems incredible to me that until this episode no one has commented on it (or maybe they have, but I haven't realized it). When you are in combat with Kratos, there is a meter where your weapon symbol is. No matter what weapon you are using at the time, if you land several hits without taking damage you will see that meter fill up, then there is an indicator to activate an ability by pressing L1 + △, this makes your attacks deal more physical and status damage The ax will have ice damage, the blades will have fire damage and the spear will have wind damage. I hope the comment is helpful.
Heimdall felt like a classic god of war villain, and definitely one of the game’s highlights. He reminded me of Hermes in God of War III, and I was expecting him to crumple in a similar way once his foresight was overcome. But as Heimdall himself said, true power emerges when the time is right. He could more than back up that trash talk. Seeing every move you’re gonna make coming is one thing. Casually *bending time* is something else. That “slow down” moment after Heimdall is hit for the first time in centuries is such an *oh shit* moment. Then he’s regrowing limbs of Bifröst & laughing like the Green Goblin. He’s the only one who has pushed Kratos far enough to go full Ghost of Sparta. His death may not have been as bloody or brutal as the Greek Gods, but I’ve never seen so much *hatred* in Norse Kratos’ eyes.
And while they clearly tried to copy Hermes... this was one of the most disappointing boss-fights in the game. For all the "oh ... he can do this"... literally none of it matters. He's a one note villain that's almost comically easy to beat. It's ok to try and upsell the game... but Heimdall was one of a few reasons why I actually dislike the game. For all the build-up, he was one of the least interesting fights in the entire game.
33:30 in GOW 2018 when they had to use the boat in Hel to go up the stream, they were talking about a boat that can fly… Skibothnir was that boat they were referring to
Heimdall's final word is absolutely haunting for anyone that cares about how Kratos feels about himself. As a minor refresher, Heimdall has the power to see your intent, read your mind, emotions, and nature. This, of course, makes his complete trust in Odin even more interesting; either Odin doesn't lie to him, or more likely, Odin believes that his own falsehoods are the truth. But when Heimdall looks in that moment and calls Kratos a "monster," he isn't taunting him or insulting him. He's stating what he sees behind Kratos' eyes. And in that moment, Kratos is horrified. Kratos has spent literal centuries, longer than Heimdall has even been alive, trying to distance himself from the man who flattened entire cities for over a decade just to spite the Olympians. He no longer wants to even think about the man who caused an Apocalypse to secure his personal revenge. He truly, _truly_ hates the man who was so blinded by ambition that he was tricked into killing his own wife and daughter. But here, in this moment? The monster came back. Kratos felt satisfaction in the moment. And he knows that isn't a good thing. He became the exact opposite of what he wanted. "We must be better."
Admittedly, so are the remaining side quests in Svartalfheim . . . and Midgard; and I know you're not a fan of Alfheim, but there are some VERY cool side quests out in the deserts there (of course, I always liked Alfheim). Vanaheim, though . . .man, the map gets bigger the more side quests you do, it seems.
Kratos definitely proved the norms right. It didn't matter why or how he killed Heimdall, it only matter that he did. They choices/nature of both Kratos and Heimdall was predictable.
He proved them right because in the note he writes about Heimdall he wrote "I feel satisfied". He is, deep down, the same as always, just a little better. That is why in his last moments Heimdall says (while looking him in the eyes aka reading Kratos) "Monster" or something like that. That's just my personal lore tho.
The Norns were only right because they also planted seeds to start that. They were hypocrites and sums of their own choices too. But Yh kratos proved them right
the second combo where kratos land his first blow is because he threw the same combo as the fist time but knew Heimdall would block a single left that Kratos throws just like the first time so Kratos's fight IQ just had him grab the arm that blocked
Hellll yeah, this is one of if not my favourite fight in this entire game, for so many reasons! All things considered, you did really well against Heimdall. And the music is FIRE! The same music that was used in the fight against Magni and Modi, as a matter of fact. A little easter egg: Christopher Judge actually failed to grab Gjallarhorn the first time from Heimdall's corpse, but that mistake felt so in character for Kratos in that moment (because he went back to being the horrible genocidal maniac for just a few seconds), that director Eric Williams decided to keep that mistake in the animation! As for Birgir's sacrifice: what a man. We barely knew him up to this point, and then the writers pull a SPECTACULAR heroic self-sacrifice out of their butts, which still works! Good luck exploring the crater to find him, it is MASSIVE. On the frozen bolt, now what could possibly have caused this?🙃 Without spoiling, you only need to ask yourself: who owned the axe to create such a phenomenon...?
I just love how quickly the end of the fight normally just completely switches the players perspective on the situation; from WANTING Kratos to beat the living shit out of Heimdall to suddenly being terrified of the pitfalls he falls back into, especially as Heimdall calls Kratos a monster and Kratos almost immediately is showered with a look of regret. Kudos to the acting there but god, it makes that line about us breaking fate or fate breaking us all the more poignant…..for later.
You did great in that fight with Heimdall. I’ve watched a few playthroughs and takes people a while to catch that third trick with making the land mines. Finally landing that punch is so satisfying. There really is something so emotional about Kratos killing Heimdall. You should look up the translation of Birgir’s chant before he jumps. Roughly translated is that everything dies unless you have a death worth speaking about.
Every Game Character: *grappling with the consequences of Heimdall's death* Cait and Kati: "HE MADE US KILL THE KITTY!!" also slight possible spoilers, but this part of the game is probably where you'll want to get as many side quests done as you can.
In the end, Heimdall died because his own ego didn’t allow him to change course in the face of an immovable object… and it WAS his choice to make, he had the knowledge he needed to decide which action to provoke.
Glad you didn't go with the "he had to kill him" trend, the whole point is that he hlcould have. Keep him pinned, cripple him further or just understand that he completely outclasses him now. Kratos not only killed him but decided to indulge in his old, drawn out brutal ways, forget a neck break, pummel his face in and strangle him
Late but forgiven lol things just get a lot interesting from here you know what I say always upgrade and change equipment it’s for the best also do more side quests that’s all! 😉
I love tnis epidsode im excited pls leave out the bleep for odin and then i love this area were birgir is but youll definitely be full...and i love this im excited pls play rdr2 and mabe gears of war i love you and sorry for all the comments
Birgir's sacrifice is unfortunately not impactful. We were not introduced to the guy, if you don't make the effort to go to him when roaming in Freyr's camp, you don't even hear his voice. And the barely speaks even then. Then he gets this epic moment but... Nothing seems earned. I don't know. After that we get informations about him, but it's a shame it comes so late.
I thought it was an odd choice as well. The sacrificial moment was impactful on its own but not in a “wow, that loyal companion died for his captain” and more of a “wow, that was a big sacrifice from…that guy.” -K
Heimdall made one of the classic blunders in history. Classic blunders are: 1) Getting involved in a land war in Asia. 2) Messing with America's boats. There are many examples as to why that's a bad idea. The most famous of which was what happened to Japan at the end of WW2 after they got America involved by bombing Pearl Harbor. 3) But Heimdall's mistake was threatening the boy in front of Kratos.
Moving forward: Please don't pre-play or pre-watch a game. Some of us are observant and we notice. Take your time, enjoy every scene, and let the dialogue play out. Don't mind the comments, you can dislike something it's all a matter of taste. Love the series!!! Keep them up.
@@Invalidationcoded I didn't imply it, I stated it as clear as day. I would suggest rewatching the episodes, but if you missed them before, you will miss them now. As I said you have to be observant, although it was pretty much on the nose.
@noisemagician That's a bit condescending. They stated more than once that they were spoiled by the comments about certain things. There's a _lot_ of mistakes that would be incredibly dumb to make if they'd played the game before (consistently not knowing how to follow the compass being one of them).
@@Michaeljefferson9000 You are clearly not paying attention to their part of the screen, what they say, how they say it, and how they look when they say it. You know body language, facial expressions, and nonverbal communication. I am clearly not talking about the ''spoiler'' comments that were not spoilers because they clearly have played or pre-watched this game. Also, how am I being condescending, could you explain that to me.
@@noisemagician You're claiming that someone is less observant than you because they didn't come to a conclusion you did based on your own misconceptions, going as far as to say that "If you missed them before, you will miss them now," and bragging about how obvious it was to you. That's pretty condescending, especially given that you provided no actual evidence of your claim aside from the historically unreliable study of their "facial expressions" and "body language" (both of which have been psychologically studied to be only marginally consistent to observers on the minor scale you're suggesting, and have been shown to have significantly different interpretations across cultures). I know you weren't talking about the spoilers. I was giving that as the only example of them knowing or expecting something concrete ahead of time, because we've all seen the spoilers and they've specifically mentioned them during the playthrough.
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24:43 According to the game's director Eric Williams there was a bit of mistake when they did the motion capture of this scene that they kept in. Christopher Judge accidentally missed grabbing the horn off of Heimdall's back here. He was supposed to grab it on the first attempt, but after he missed, he immediately snatched it off angrily on the second attempt. After they finished filming the take Chris apologized and said that he would get the horn off cleanly the next time. The director decided to keep it in because he felt that it would make sense that Kratos being upset by killing Heimdall when he was trying to avoid doing so and having Heimdall call him "Monster" would throw Kratos off a bit. So, missing the grab would make sense and then Kratos grabbing it angrily a second later shows his frustration, which fits the scene perfectly. So, they kept it in.
31:41 poor Freyr being draped over those shoulder spikes! 😂
Surprising that heimdall didnt see that ass kicking coming.
34:22 Roughly translated this is what Birgir was saying. "Cattle die, and kinsmen die, and so one dies one's self; One thing now that never dies, the fame of a dead man's deeds."
At the end of this prayer he would normally scream "For Odin!" but, because he freed himself of Odins teachings he did it for his friends, for Vanaheim.
It seems incredible to me that until this episode no one has commented on it (or maybe they have, but I haven't realized it).
When you are in combat with Kratos, there is a meter where your weapon symbol is. No matter what weapon you are using at the time, if you land several hits without taking damage you will see that meter fill up, then there is an indicator to activate an ability by pressing L1 + △, this makes your attacks deal more physical and status damage
The ax will have ice damage, the blades will have fire damage and the spear will have wind damage. I hope the comment is helpful.
Heimdall felt like a classic god of war villain, and definitely one of the game’s highlights.
He reminded me of Hermes in God of War III, and I was expecting him to crumple in a similar way once his foresight was overcome. But as Heimdall himself said, true power emerges when the time is right. He could more than back up that trash talk. Seeing every move you’re gonna make coming is one thing. Casually *bending time* is something else. That “slow down” moment after Heimdall is hit for the first time in centuries is such an *oh shit* moment. Then he’s regrowing limbs of Bifröst & laughing like the Green Goblin. He’s the only one who has pushed Kratos far enough to go full Ghost of Sparta. His death may not have been as bloody or brutal as the Greek Gods, but I’ve never seen so much *hatred* in Norse Kratos’ eyes.
And while they clearly tried to copy Hermes... this was one of the most disappointing boss-fights in the game. For all the "oh ... he can do this"... literally none of it matters. He's a one note villain that's almost comically easy to beat. It's ok to try and upsell the game... but Heimdall was one of a few reasons why I actually dislike the game. For all the build-up, he was one of the least interesting fights in the entire game.
Birgir. Tricking us into thinking he was dead. What a ham. 😂A ham-Birgir if you will.
That was awful. I'll see myself out.
33:30 in GOW 2018 when they had to use the boat in Hel to go up the stream, they were talking about a boat that can fly… Skibothnir was that boat they were referring to
Heimdall's final word is absolutely haunting for anyone that cares about how Kratos feels about himself.
As a minor refresher, Heimdall has the power to see your intent, read your mind, emotions, and nature. This, of course, makes his complete trust in Odin even more interesting; either Odin doesn't lie to him, or more likely, Odin believes that his own falsehoods are the truth.
But when Heimdall looks in that moment and calls Kratos a "monster," he isn't taunting him or insulting him. He's stating what he sees behind Kratos' eyes. And in that moment, Kratos is horrified.
Kratos has spent literal centuries, longer than Heimdall has even been alive, trying to distance himself from the man who flattened entire cities for over a decade just to spite the Olympians. He no longer wants to even think about the man who caused an Apocalypse to secure his personal revenge. He truly, _truly_ hates the man who was so blinded by ambition that he was tricked into killing his own wife and daughter.
But here, in this moment? The monster came back. Kratos felt satisfaction in the moment. And he knows that isn't a good thing. He became the exact opposite of what he wanted. "We must be better."
Honestly, the Vanaheim side quests could be their own separate series.
Admittedly, so are the remaining side quests in Svartalfheim . . . and Midgard; and I know you're not a fan of Alfheim, but there are some VERY cool side quests out in the deserts there (of course, I always liked Alfheim). Vanaheim, though . . .man, the map gets bigger the more side quests you do, it seems.
Kratos definitely proved the norms right. It didn't matter why or how he killed Heimdall, it only matter that he did. They choices/nature of both Kratos and Heimdall was predictable.
until it wasn’t
He proved them right because in the note he writes about Heimdall he wrote "I feel satisfied". He is, deep down, the same as always, just a little better. That is why in his last moments Heimdall says (while looking him in the eyes aka reading Kratos) "Monster" or something like that.
That's just my personal lore tho.
@@GiveMeTheRice When?
The Norns were only right because they also planted seeds to start that. They were hypocrites and sums of their own choices too. But Yh kratos proved them right
@michaelblewer3993 How are they hypocrites?
the second combo where kratos land his first blow is because he threw the same combo as the fist time but knew Heimdall would block a single left that Kratos throws just like the first time so Kratos's fight IQ just had him grab the arm that blocked
Hellll yeah, this is one of if not my favourite fight in this entire game, for so many reasons! All things considered, you did really well against Heimdall. And the music is FIRE! The same music that was used in the fight against Magni and Modi, as a matter of fact.
A little easter egg: Christopher Judge actually failed to grab Gjallarhorn the first time from Heimdall's corpse, but that mistake felt so in character for Kratos in that moment (because he went back to being the horrible genocidal maniac for just a few seconds), that director Eric Williams decided to keep that mistake in the animation!
As for Birgir's sacrifice: what a man. We barely knew him up to this point, and then the writers pull a SPECTACULAR heroic self-sacrifice out of their butts, which still works! Good luck exploring the crater to find him, it is MASSIVE.
On the frozen bolt, now what could possibly have caused this?🙃 Without spoiling, you only need to ask yourself: who owned the axe to create such a phenomenon...?
I just love how quickly the end of the fight normally just completely switches the players perspective on the situation; from WANTING Kratos to beat the living shit out of Heimdall to suddenly being terrified of the pitfalls he falls back into, especially as Heimdall calls Kratos a monster and Kratos almost immediately is showered with a look of regret.
Kudos to the acting there but god, it makes that line about us breaking fate or fate breaking us all the more poignant…..for later.
You did great in that fight with Heimdall. I’ve watched a few playthroughs and takes people a while to catch that third trick with making the land mines. Finally landing that punch is so satisfying. There really is something so emotional about Kratos killing Heimdall.
You should look up the translation of Birgir’s chant before he jumps. Roughly translated is that everything dies unless you have a death worth speaking about.
Every Game Character: *grappling with the consequences of Heimdall's death*
Cait and Kati: "HE MADE US KILL THE KITTY!!"
also slight possible spoilers, but this part of the game is probably where you'll want to get as many side quests done as you can.
It would have been an epic moment for kratos carrying freyr on his back and running with lord of the rings playing in the in game!
When using runic attacks, keep beaconsi _ clicking _ the R1 or R2 button to increase and prolong the attack.
Vanaheim region is HUUUGE! This is my favorite part of the entire game. Fight with heimdal and following the dog!
In the end, Heimdall died because his own ego didn’t allow him to change course in the face of an immovable object… and it WAS his choice to make, he had the knowledge he needed to decide which action to provoke.
Glad you didn't go with the "he had to kill him" trend, the whole point is that he hlcould have. Keep him pinned, cripple him further or just understand that he completely outclasses him now. Kratos not only killed him but decided to indulge in his old, drawn out brutal ways, forget a neck break, pummel his face in and strangle him
Great job against Heimdall! He always makes me look like an idiot in that fight... well, more than I already am.
You KNOW yer invested in a game when you lean to see things instead of pannin the camera🤠
2:02 If you use this twice in row to call the wolves there is a bit of cute/funny dialog with Kratos.
love to see how she smiles while beating the shit outta Heimdall, XD, you have a heavy runic for the spear btw.
Idk why but I like heimdallmtaking the sword out and back in deflecting it
Lambs cress is a reference is from the first w028 one being she fixed hildisveiny with jt from bleeding
2018
I'm sorry but I love heimdall and odin their magic is one of my favorite out of all shows and mythology and games
It took me forever to realize, but queen misltoe is because her sons weakness is misltoe😊
The stumps are like a bigger attack damage thing I forgot what it's called
21:12 The way they felt nothing is kinda hot
I like to think that Kratos and Idris Heimdall would get on quite well...
boss fight heimdall very brutal
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I just realised that kratos can't tan because he's wearing the ashes of his family... oops
Late but forgiven lol things just get a lot interesting from here you know what I say always upgrade and change equipment it’s for the best also do more side quests that’s all! 😉
6:16 🐓🐓🐓
Great that Heimdall didn't get the Helios treatment.
YOU SHOULDVE USED THE HEAVY RUNIC ATTACK FOR THE DRAPNIR IF YOU EQUIP IT EXPODE THE SPEARS WHILE USING IT
I JUST REALIZED THE RELIC YOU GOT FROM HIM TO SLOW TIME AITH THE SWORD IS HIS SWORDE LOL
I love tnis epidsode im excited pls leave out the bleep for odin and then i love this area were birgir is but youll definitely be full...and i love this im excited pls play rdr2 and mabe gears of war i love you and sorry for all the comments
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Birgir's sacrifice is unfortunately not impactful. We were not introduced to the guy, if you don't make the effort to go to him when roaming in Freyr's camp, you don't even hear his voice. And the barely speaks even then. Then he gets this epic moment but... Nothing seems earned. I don't know. After that we get informations about him, but it's a shame it comes so late.
I thought it was an odd choice as well. The sacrificial moment was impactful on its own but not in a “wow, that loyal companion died for his captain” and more of a “wow, that was a big sacrifice from…that guy.” -K
Heimdall made one of the classic blunders in history. Classic blunders are:
1) Getting involved in a land war in Asia.
2) Messing with America's boats. There are many examples as to why that's a bad idea. The most famous of which was what happened to Japan at the end of WW2 after they got America involved by bombing Pearl Harbor.
3) But Heimdall's mistake was threatening the boy in front of Kratos.
Moving forward:
Please don't pre-play or pre-watch a game. Some of us are observant and we notice.
Take your time, enjoy every scene, and let the dialogue play out.
Don't mind the comments, you can dislike something it's all a matter of taste.
Love the series!!! Keep them up.
Are you implying they pre-played or pre-watched this game? On what basis??
@@Invalidationcoded I didn't imply it, I stated it as clear as day.
I would suggest rewatching the episodes, but if you missed them before, you will miss them now. As I said you have to be observant, although it was pretty much on the nose.
@noisemagician That's a bit condescending. They stated more than once that they were spoiled by the comments about certain things. There's a _lot_ of mistakes that would be incredibly dumb to make if they'd played the game before (consistently not knowing how to follow the compass being one of them).
@@Michaeljefferson9000 You are clearly not paying attention to their part of the screen, what they say, how they say it, and how they look when they say it. You know body language, facial expressions, and nonverbal communication. I am clearly not talking about the ''spoiler'' comments that were not spoilers because they clearly have played or pre-watched this game.
Also, how am I being condescending, could you explain that to me.
@@noisemagician You're claiming that someone is less observant than you because they didn't come to a conclusion you did based on your own misconceptions, going as far as to say that "If you missed them before, you will miss them now," and bragging about how obvious it was to you. That's pretty condescending, especially given that you provided no actual evidence of your claim aside from the historically unreliable study of their "facial expressions" and "body language" (both of which have been psychologically studied to be only marginally consistent to observers on the minor scale you're suggesting, and have been shown to have significantly different interpretations across cultures).
I know you weren't talking about the spoilers. I was giving that as the only example of them knowing or expecting something concrete ahead of time, because we've all seen the spoilers and they've specifically mentioned them during the playthrough.
My tablet is charging I’m a watch it in like ten but why out of order also I’m sick