The TdF KNEW that if they needed a "Cinderella" story to bring back viewers. What better way than not only an unknown who beat cancer, but also one who would bring an entire COUNTRY with him. LA was the best thing to happen to the TdF's bank account!
In the short term maybe, in the long term it completely destroyed the integrity of the sport of which it still hasn’t recovered from. To this day everyone just sees the sport as all drug cheats.
@@FearTheIndoorHorseRancher well it wasnt just lance though… Contador, Riis, Rasmussen, Landis Landis was probably the worst. Breaking down one day and destroying the next. The tours with lance were exciting. And its just a lot of naivity about the sport that has people shocked and disgusted Fact is that those performances that they want to see are brought about by doping. Thats why the tour and cycling in general chooses to ignore the doping… I hated the froome era where it was boring and obvious that sth was up
@@FearTheIndoorHorseRancher tell me which sport isn't full of drug cheats. Not many other sports have stuff as nasty as EPO doping with the blood coagulation and all of that, but they're all on some combination test, hgh, steroids. Most drug testing protocols catch idiots who cheat to excess. Having that said, I'll take a sport with cheat all day over a sport influenced by referees.
"paid off" - perhaps in a more general sense and not direct money-transfer, since such a US-made star would open the doors to US TV-money. My hypothesis is that UCI consciously gave him a pass to make that possible. Still corruption.
@@chadwells7562 not *obviously* - it might have been very good on a short time-scale, but it might have tarnished the reputation of cycling on a longer time-scale. They gambled and took the easy way out.
@@KitagumaIgen Cycling is a hell of a lot bigger in terms of money than it was 25 years ago. Trek, Giant, Cannondale all went from $100 million revenue streams to $1 billion + each. Riders are getting bigger contracts, mainstream companies spend way more on sponsorship, the organizers make more money. Doping tarnished it for a bit, but the net effect was positive. Pro sports are a business first and foremost, any actual sport that happens is incidental. The only thing that matters in business is winning. Sponsors want superhuman performances and the difference between winning and not winning is getting that $1 million contract or going home to flip burgers. The incentives to dope are still exactly the same as they were then. Long term thinking is great, but if you don’t take the money when it’s available you might never see it again. UCI made the best commercial decision they could, sport and morality are irrelevant. I’d say the gamble paid off handsomely if you look at the $$$ in cycling now compared to back then.
@@chadwells7562 my objection was against you using *obviously* - that we cannot be sure about. It seems to me that it is likely true, but we will never know how a different decision would've panned out. Sports is all about winning, business is all about earning money - the difference lies in the approach to diminishing returns.
Lance made huge “donations” to the organization responsible for testing for PED’s. He had the cycling federation in his back pocket and he was known to have snitched on his rivals’ doping programs to the PED testing authorities, all while showing indignation to those that accused him of doping.
I never liked him when he was racing, he was arrogant and never answered questions honestly. They all doped, he doped the best. I watch his podcasts and interviews now, I respect him, and I appreciate his thoughts about redemption.
The only thing more entertaining than this video is *Doped Pro Cycling.* The Entertainment value of it is an order of magnitude greater than it is when clean and pure.
Do you have any story to tell about the Vuelta d'España of 1998? It was the first time Armstrong had been competetive in a Grand Tour, would surely be interesting!
I rode with Armstrong when he came to Miami in 1989. I guess he was eighteen and he was definitely a powerful cyclist. He jumped on the Key Biscayne Bridge and thirty of the strongest riders in Miami could not bring him back, so the kid had talent--this is undeniable. From the start he was haunted by allegations of doping which all proved true, but his most henious crime was actually not doping, but fraud and for this he should've been sentenced to prison. We cyclists figured he was juicing from the start--he was simply too good to be true--and as he became famous, what with his cancer foundation that actually did nothing other than dupe the squares, and his iconic status that brought a flood of money to Trek and other manufacturers, his value became economic and many, including the UCI would cover for him and enable his ongoing cheating. Of course, the squares never got hip, at least not till the end when he confessed, but the guy, in spite of his talent, was a curse on cycling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of guys doped but no one ever engineered and operated the vast fraud of Lance Armstrong.
Thank you. I can't hear all those fanboys anymore who want to say "everybody did it, so it was fair". An absolute retarded and (proven) untrue argument. He juiced more than anybody and even pulled political strings to restrict other peoples' doping programmes. He did not fight with the same weapons.
Lance cheating to win is a legend. No one worked as hard as him to win. The reason people hate him and you can't argue thus point, is the way he went after anyone who said he was a cheater.
To me the fanboys are on a different level of insanity: There are facts that Armstrong did not lose a lot of weight from cancer and he always had a rather mediocre VO2max. There are facts that his pedaling style is rather inefficienct compared to others, e.g. Ullrich. There are facts that he doped hard early on and that doping probably caused his cancer. He was positive multiple times but because of his fucked up cancer story they let him off the hook. He organized a doping mafia, pulled strings that his competition did not get the best possible doping, bullied people, financially hurt people, ruined people's private and professional life etc. etc. The FBI describes him as a narcisist and psychopath in their doping investigation documents. It was not an even playing field and he was not very talented. He made up the gap to prodigy Ullrich by going to extreme doping, using his UCI connections etc. An absolutely pathetic sample of mankind, really low, criminal, psychopathic. And the fanboys still try to make excuses how he was able to ride like that when the answer is obviously obvious, officially sanctioned by anti-doping institutions, the FBI, several law suits, and what not.
his low cadence only worked because his blood was completely full of dope. low cadence makes the cardio cascular system work instead of the muscles. he could keep that ridicoulos cadance up ONLY because he was full of EPO and many other drugs, some which no one but him could use. FRAUD
That is a typical comment of retarded fanboys: Yes, the issue was, that he doped, because he did not dope like the others. All the documents which came out of the criminal investigations into Lance revealed: He was the head and motor of a ruthless doping Mafia, doping way more than others, restricting access to that same level of doping to others, getting access to not even fully released, undetectable medication etc. etc. People who say "everybody doped" have not understood a thing, have not paid attention to the lawsuits and FBI results on Armstrong and so forth. All the lies have been stripped away - no, it was never an even playing field and Armstrong never faught with the same weapons. AND on top of it he was literally a Mafia mobster physically, mentally, financially and professionally hurting people. In front of the camera he likes to play the approachable nice guy. The FBI says in their files he is a narcissist and psychopath, PLAYING the role of a nice personable guy. Below the surface is a deeply vindictive, immature, raging, violent son of a whore ready to hurt people to make money, to push his narrative, and to win.
It's disgusting that he was a doper, even more disgusting that he was a bully and worst of all was that he got away with both for so long. Three DNFs and a 36th place followed by seven wins should have said everything !
Well done , really like your comment. A bully, a pathological liar. Lance is a sociopath. I'm convinced that he is one. Intimidation, bullying and a war chest of PED drugs. And he had the dirty, corrupt UCi on his side. This is how he committed that Tour de France fraud. I never believed it once. I've been a lifelong fan of cycling and raced myself as a youngster. I followed Armstrong's career, not him specifically, but I knew his results up to his cancer diagnosis. A good one day rider. Come back from near death cancer to win the Tour. No! to use Lance's expression 'Not normal ' I knew his performance in that '99 Tour was a fairy tale. A fraud of epic proportions. I'm a fan of the only American to win the Tour , Greg LeMond. Greg had huge talent, and had the natural ability to win the Tour. ARMSTRONG did not. Armstrong tried to destroy Greg's reputation and succeded in ruining Greg's business with Trek. Trek were making LeMond bikes and rebranding the bikes as LeMond bikes. I salute David Walsh for his efforts in revealing the truth. To Tyler Hamilton. These people deserve much credit.
@@raparee100 Yes you can add several people to that list such as Betsy Andreu and Emma O'Reilly etc. That Tailwind/US Postal/Discovery Channel setup must have been years in the planning and must have had a colossal level of funding. I think revelations so far have only scratched the surface.
While he was winning the Tour, I rooted for Lance, but I will also say that during that time it became clear he was an a-hole. I still rooted for him, but he was not a nice and jovial sportsman, say like Roglic and Pogacar now SEEM to be. However, more than indicting and convicting Lance of such heinous crimes, it needs to be done for the whole sport. When it is widely believed that every winner of the Tour from 1991 through 2007 doped, the problem was not just Lance. It was widespread long before he won. Instead of making Lance the whipping boy, point the finger at those who preceded him more, as well as pretty much ALL of his competitors.
They don't and they can't because doping is endemic in the sport. ALL the former dopers still work in cycling, as the dopers before them did. And so the circus goes on. We all know what the circus is and we all tell ourselves comforting little lies about it. Except, of course, for Cycling Stories.
@@jnavonoD Not sure we all tell ourselves lies. I know doping is and probably will always be a risk. I suspect many of those near the front of the peleton either break the rules, have broken the rules, or spend a lot of time and effort figuring out how to stay within the rules, while getting the maximum out of legal supplements, etc. That is endemic in competition, and for a sport that takes its competitors to what are probably absolute limits of physical endurance, it will always be a risk, and probably a practice. How well the governing bodies police it, and how much those within the sport tolerate it, that is a big question. This has begun to change, but it also has been going on for generations. Tom Simpson died 55 years ago, and complained of doping in 1960. The problem I far from new, and if all of those who ever doping were banned from competing or commenting, we would have few left. But, some do lie to themselves, and comments about this video show that clearly.
@@danmc7815 Fair enough Dan. I don't believe anything at all has changed, and the evidence for that is the DS, team managers, etc, who are former dopers, happily running today's teams. Passing down the knowledge. Anyway, best wishes to you!
Another fanboy making excuses. The doping before Armstrong was amature-style and not directly protected by the UCI. Armstrong was a psychopath who introduced a ruthless Mafia-esque systems and then went after other people like mobsters in Mafia movies. Terrible. Because of him, doping became a real issue and he hurt the sport in the long run big time with his whiny cancer story. Cycling lost a lot of money and went back to a niche sport, especially in terms of broadcasting. We can be glad that there is the Green movement now and that technology has given us the pedelec e-bike. Those two things led to an explosion of the CASUAL and AMATURE biking scene while professionally cycling is as irrelevant as it was in the 1980. All the good deeds of the 1990 for nothing, because one cliché retarded Murican donkey had to overdo it. We all know this from the real world. All will suffer when one dude goes too far and then things get changed because of the one dude. Armstrong is the rotten cancer pimple on cycling's ass.
I’m a proud Texan who has been to Plano, TX many times for work. I’m still disappointed in Lance. I have been watching the TDF since the early 80s. It still pains me that Lance Armstrong was such a cheater.
@@LvanderMto say it shouldn't be allowed is ridiculous. It's like saying we don't want to see the very best athletes compete. Or we never want to see world records broke. Doping has always been going on, in every sport. Amateur and professional. Have you ever used gear of any kind? It doesn't just enhance athletic performance, but it enhances life as a whole. If it wasn't for steroids, many many many successful people wouldn't be as successful as they are.
The way cycling and the world dumped Lance, but nobody else, was super odd. The way it was portrayed as if Lance was the organizer of the entire system, was and still is laughable. The way it was portrayed as if he won because he doped, is so wrong because it discounts the fact everyone else doped too. The tours from 1996-2005 (even before LA) were the best tours ever and any fan would by lying if they suggested otherwise. Lance won his 7 on his bike and with his team. That should not have been taken away, not unless they took away everything else that happened in every race during that time. The doping was systematic and supported by the organizers, end of story!
Well said. 2006 was an entertaining tour as well with Landis winning, but I digress... They were showing a special segment today during the tour a few times. It showed all the riders who won the tour more than once. It included riders like Hinault, Indurain, and Froome...But of course it did not include Lance (which we come to expect now ever since his ban). The irony is seeing other dopers in the video segment such as Indurain. Don't get me wrong, I have tremendous respect for Big Mig, but they all have doped in one way or another.
I don't get fan boys like you? Lance was penalised yes for doping, but more so for the way he went about it, bullying, harassment, lying, corruption and shutting down any desent against him, the countless people he threatened (Betsy Andreu/David Walsh/Greg and Kathy Lemond) it was his actions away from the bike that did for him so his former teammate Landis would strike the final blow. I don't listen to any of his podcasts or his later dealings because for me he's learnt nothing shown no contrition and when he does it's half arsed. He's lucky he's still got a roof over his head the money he siphoned off from cycling, sponsors etc. Yes they are all complicit but it took a truly big ahole like him to do it and herein lies the problem.
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158 Stop worrying about trying to understand other peoples opinion. Focus on making your own life the best it possibly can be.
He was the fastest doper in a pool of riders who all doped. Not a justification for his conduct, but it is the undeniable truth of the matter. Take it how you will.
The reason Armstrong has never shown believable contrition over cheating is because he is not. What we all witnessed on Oprah and ever since is regret. Regret that he’d been caught, knowing that virtually everyone in the peloton was drugged up to the eyeballs. Omertà is still alive and cycling. It has been since the very start of the sport.
They all cheated. Lance didn't cheat different. Such a shame he was/is singled out. The first 3 tours he one every one in the top five were penalized later. But it was all Lance.
Actually he raised over half a billion dollars for cancer patients and also put a focus on protecting fertility prior to cancer treatment, due to the nature of his own illness. Thousands of cancer victims were able to have children thanks to his foundation. You do realize that all the teams were and still are doping and that it was even worse in the 80’s and early 90’s? In the NFL a positive PED result leads to a small fine and a few games penalty. Are you too dvmb to realize that there is a double standard here? The guy who convicted Lance, Jeff Novitsky is now paid millions as an Executive in the UFC, which is rife with steroid abuse. In that league a positive result leads to a suspension. You are the tvrd, pal.
and yet he still does have fans and admirers. I guess it's good to know who his steadfast fans are because then you know what kind of a person you are talking to.
Ferrari wasn’t the team doctor at the US postal team was he? Hamilton was with Fuentes I thought. I could be wrong, can’t remember what I done yesterday.
@@podnuh It is an irrelevant boring niche sport and Armstrong made it implode when it was just about to become a B sport in terms of broadcasting, money intake etc. Now it is back in obscurity while it had potential to become another large thing in the group of sports below the no.1 sport football (soccer).
@@bobbwc7011 so the top guys in those tours wasn’t using epos? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. They doped lance just had a better team and they doped better. Not saying that’s right by no means. But it was some epic racing
@@teamtntstriperfishing5334 they actually didnt use epo DURING the tour. only lance was brazen enough with his psychopathy using motorman. all others were afraid to carry epo because of the festina affair. armstrong should have been thrown out on day one with his cortisone positive. pathetic fanboy
The whole thing stunk and it is a lesson for people that life shouldn't be all about winning. The ego of a person who has lost their moral compass will justify winning at any costs. Thats the devil inside their head that they are listening to. We all have it and it's up to us to listen to the heart rather than the head.
I have watched many of your videos. It would seem that everyone was doped...which makes it all rather like no one was doped. There is no level laying field in this sport....special food, particular bikes, differing aerodynamic clothes etc....so they all had different drugs....c'est la vie
Ban TUEs too then; one either can make it to the top without them, or just stick to casual riding, right Mister Froom! I like Armstrong as a rider, but since i never met him, i have no opinion about him as a human.
“Are all the organizers of that dirty, dirty sport going to turn in their yachts? No, they stood by and let it happen… our roided up guy beat their roided up guy!” Bill Burr 🇺🇸 #1 🇺🇸
Everyone who was competitive was doping!! Stop attacking Lance armstrong because he did it the best and was the best athlete and biker!! Get it!!?? Everyone was doping!! To me and many others Lance is 7x time tour de france champ still!!!
All people who compete in sports dope. We compete because we want to win. We know that others dope. We can only compete on the dopers level by doping. You’re guaranteed to lose if you don’t dope.
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I still think that to this day, Lance’s 1999 Giro TT helmet is the most badass looking TT helmet to ever exist.
Yes, surely it must be impossible to lose wearing such a helmet.
His 2005 TT helm was also great.
For me it has to be Ullrich’s 2003 minty fresh rudy project helmet.
Alien look
The TdF KNEW that if they needed a "Cinderella" story to bring back viewers. What better way than not only an unknown who beat cancer, but also one who would bring an entire COUNTRY with him. LA was the best thing to happen to the TdF's bank account!
Wasnt just lance
Was ullrich also and there were eastern block doped as well
In the short term maybe, in the long term it completely destroyed the integrity of the sport of which it still hasn’t recovered from.
To this day everyone just sees the sport as all drug cheats.
@@FearTheIndoorHorseRancher well it wasnt just lance though…
Contador, Riis, Rasmussen, Landis
Landis was probably the worst. Breaking down one day and destroying the next.
The tours with lance were exciting. And its just a lot of naivity about the sport that has people shocked and disgusted
Fact is that those performances that they want to see are brought about by doping.
Thats why the tour and cycling in general chooses to ignore the doping…
I hated the froome era where it was boring and obvious that sth was up
@@FearTheIndoorHorseRancher tell me which sport isn't full of drug cheats. Not many other sports have stuff as nasty as EPO doping with the blood coagulation and all of that, but they're all on some combination test, hgh, steroids. Most drug testing protocols catch idiots who cheat to excess.
Having that said, I'll take a sport with cheat all day over a sport influenced by referees.
lance paid off the UCI for sure. They didnt want him to get caught as it brought more viewers and more publicity for cycling.
"paid off" - perhaps in a more general sense and not direct money-transfer, since such a US-made star would open the doors to US TV-money. My hypothesis is that UCI consciously gave him a pass to make that possible. Still corruption.
@@KitagumaIgen It was obviously the correct commercial decision for them to do so.
@@chadwells7562 not *obviously* - it might have been very good on a short time-scale, but it might have tarnished the reputation of cycling on a longer time-scale. They gambled and took the easy way out.
@@KitagumaIgen Cycling is a hell of a lot bigger in terms of money than it was 25 years ago. Trek, Giant, Cannondale all went from $100 million revenue streams to $1 billion + each. Riders are getting bigger contracts, mainstream companies spend way more on sponsorship, the organizers make more money. Doping tarnished it for a bit, but the net effect was positive. Pro sports are a business first and foremost, any actual sport that happens is incidental. The only thing that matters in business is winning. Sponsors want superhuman performances and the difference between winning and not winning is getting that $1 million contract or going home to flip burgers. The incentives to dope are still exactly the same as they were then.
Long term thinking is great, but if you don’t take the money when it’s available you might never see it again. UCI made the best commercial decision they could, sport and morality are irrelevant. I’d say the gamble paid off handsomely if you look at the $$$ in cycling now compared to back then.
@@chadwells7562 my objection was against you using *obviously* - that we cannot be sure about. It seems to me that it is likely true, but we will never know how a different decision would've panned out.
Sports is all about winning, business is all about earning money - the difference lies in the approach to diminishing returns.
Lance made huge “donations” to the organization responsible for testing for PED’s. He had the cycling federation in his back pocket and he was known to have snitched on his rivals’ doping programs to the PED testing authorities, all while showing indignation to those that accused him of doping.
Love the channel man. Love the mix of seriousness and humor/sarcasm. You have an amazing archive of footage. Cheers bro keep it up 💪
"that man with a single ball in this body" xDDDDD
I wonder how many pros and former pros watch this channel?
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"Mr. Magoo" I laughed out loud as I drove in the car
interesting to see Frankie A giving lance a big hug, after all the stuff he heard in the years before.
Yes, they could have squashed this doping bug on the first day. What a missed opportunity! Love your videos....Thanks, Ken
"That man with a single ball in his body..." 🤣😂🤣😂😩
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And because of that single ball his right leg does 2 revolutions to his lefts' 1, once again giving Lance an unfair advantage....
I never liked him when he was racing, he was arrogant and never answered questions honestly. They all doped, he doped the best. I watch his podcasts and interviews now, I respect him, and I appreciate his thoughts about redemption.
He has not changed, still the bully boy with a chip on his shoulder as the pods demonstrate. Still has his boot licker George beside him.
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What are his thoughts about redemption?
No reason to respect a cheater
@@KitagumaIgen dont get caught
The only thing more entertaining than this video is *Doped Pro Cycling.* The Entertainment value of it is an order of magnitude greater than it is when clean and pure.
Do you have any story to tell about the Vuelta d'España of 1998? It was the first time Armstrong had been competetive in a Grand Tour, would surely be interesting!
Lance Armstrong was a victim of persecution. He won those 7 Tour de France titles fair and square.
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I rode with Armstrong when he came to Miami in 1989. I guess he was eighteen and he was definitely a powerful cyclist. He jumped on the Key Biscayne Bridge and thirty of the strongest riders in Miami could not bring him back, so the kid had talent--this is undeniable. From the start he was haunted by allegations of doping which all proved true, but his most henious crime was actually not doping, but fraud and for this he should've been sentenced to prison. We cyclists figured he was juicing from the start--he was simply too good to be true--and as he became famous, what with his cancer foundation that actually did nothing other than dupe the squares, and his iconic status that brought a flood of money to Trek and other manufacturers, his value became economic and many, including the UCI would cover for him and enable his ongoing cheating. Of course, the squares never got hip, at least not till the end when he confessed, but the guy, in spite of his talent, was a curse on cycling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of guys doped but no one ever engineered and operated the vast fraud of Lance Armstrong.
Thank you. I can't hear all those fanboys anymore who want to say "everybody did it, so it was fair". An absolute retarded and (proven) untrue argument. He juiced more than anybody and even pulled political strings to restrict other peoples' doping programmes. He did not fight with the same weapons.
Lance cheating to win is a legend. No one worked as hard as him to win. The reason people hate him and you can't argue thus point, is the way he went after anyone who said he was a cheater.
This is facts
How do you have even the slightest idea how hard the rest of the pro’s worked compared to Armstrong? What a ludicrous statement.
@@cycleoflife565 they are pathetic fanboys who only watched the tour de lance
That Lance tours were the best battles and so fun to watch. These days eveyone just catches a wheel.....
"Let the show begin"™ :)
Way to go buddy!
All were doped to the gills.
Literally the battle of the Titans back then.
Except those who weren't. And didn't win anything.
Not true, as investigation files showed. Lance was juiced more than others. It was never an even playing field, not even 1999.
To me the fanboys are on a different level of insanity: There are facts that Armstrong did not lose a lot of weight from cancer and he always had a rather mediocre VO2max. There are facts that his pedaling style is rather inefficienct compared to others, e.g. Ullrich. There are facts that he doped hard early on and that doping probably caused his cancer. He was positive multiple times but because of his fucked up cancer story they let him off the hook. He organized a doping mafia, pulled strings that his competition did not get the best possible doping, bullied people, financially hurt people, ruined people's private and professional life etc. etc. The FBI describes him as a narcisist and psychopath in their doping investigation documents.
It was not an even playing field and he was not very talented. He made up the gap to prodigy Ullrich by going to extreme doping, using his UCI connections etc.
An absolutely pathetic sample of mankind, really low, criminal, psychopathic.
And the fanboys still try to make excuses how he was able to ride like that when the answer is obviously obvious, officially sanctioned by anti-doping institutions, the FBI, several law suits, and what not.
his low cadence only worked because his blood was completely full of dope. low cadence makes the cardio cascular system work instead of the muscles. he could keep that ridicoulos cadance up ONLY because he was full of EPO and many other drugs, some which no one but him could use. FRAUD
Lance said he "did not inhale", oh that was someone else telling a lie about their drug use.
The issue is not that he doped. EVERY BODY doped!! People are so naïve. It’s how he treated people.
That is a typical comment of retarded fanboys: Yes, the issue was, that he doped, because he did not dope like the others.
All the documents which came out of the criminal investigations into Lance revealed: He was the head and motor of a ruthless doping Mafia, doping way more than others, restricting access to that same level of doping to others, getting access to not even fully released, undetectable medication etc. etc.
People who say "everybody doped" have not understood a thing, have not paid attention to the lawsuits and FBI results on Armstrong and so forth.
All the lies have been stripped away - no, it was never an even playing field and Armstrong never faught with the same weapons. AND on top of it he was literally a Mafia mobster physically, mentally, financially and professionally hurting people.
In front of the camera he likes to play the approachable nice guy. The FBI says in their files he is a narcissist and psychopath, PLAYING the role of a nice personable guy.
Below the surface is a deeply vindictive, immature, raging, violent son of a whore ready to hurt people to make money, to push his narrative, and to win.
It's disgusting that he was a doper, even more disgusting that he was a bully and worst of all was that he got away with both for so long. Three DNFs and a 36th place followed by seven wins should have said everything !
Well done , really like your comment. A bully, a pathological liar. Lance is a sociopath. I'm convinced that he is one.
Intimidation, bullying and a war chest of PED drugs. And he had the dirty, corrupt UCi on his side. This is how he committed that Tour de France fraud.
I never believed it once. I've been a lifelong fan of cycling and raced myself as a youngster.
I followed Armstrong's career, not him specifically, but I knew his results up to his cancer diagnosis.
A good one day rider. Come back from near death cancer to win the Tour.
No! to use Lance's expression 'Not normal ' I knew his performance in that '99 Tour was a fairy tale. A fraud of epic proportions.
I'm a fan of the only American to win the Tour , Greg LeMond. Greg had huge talent, and had the natural ability to win the Tour. ARMSTRONG did not.
Armstrong tried to destroy Greg's reputation and succeded in ruining Greg's business with Trek. Trek were making LeMond bikes and rebranding the bikes as LeMond bikes.
I salute David Walsh for his efforts in revealing the truth.
To Tyler Hamilton. These people deserve much credit.
@@raparee100 Yes you can add several people to that list such as Betsy Andreu and Emma O'Reilly etc. That Tailwind/US Postal/Discovery Channel setup must have been years in the planning and must have had a colossal level of funding. I think revelations so far have only scratched the surface.
I think his advanced age may have had a little to do with that too, no?
Steve Edge. Well said!
Too many were doping to just focus the hate on Lance.
While he was winning the Tour, I rooted for Lance, but I will also say that during that time it became clear he was an a-hole. I still rooted for him, but he was not a nice and jovial sportsman, say like Roglic and Pogacar now SEEM to be.
However, more than indicting and convicting Lance of such heinous crimes, it needs to be done for the whole sport. When it is widely believed that every winner of the Tour from 1991 through 2007 doped, the problem was not just Lance. It was widespread long before he won. Instead of making Lance the whipping boy, point the finger at those who preceded him more, as well as pretty much ALL of his competitors.
They don't and they can't because doping is endemic in the sport. ALL the former dopers still work in cycling, as the dopers before them did. And so the circus goes on. We all know what the circus is and we all tell ourselves comforting little lies about it.
Except, of course, for Cycling Stories.
@@jnavonoD Not sure we all tell ourselves lies. I know doping is and probably will always be a risk. I suspect many of those near the front of the peleton either break the rules, have broken the rules, or spend a lot of time and effort figuring out how to stay within the rules, while getting the maximum out of legal supplements, etc. That is endemic in competition, and for a sport that takes its competitors to what are probably absolute limits of physical endurance, it will always be a risk, and probably a practice. How well the governing bodies police it, and how much those within the sport tolerate it, that is a big question. This has begun to change, but it also has been going on for generations. Tom Simpson died 55 years ago, and complained of doping in 1960. The problem I far from new, and if all of those who ever doping were banned from competing or commenting, we would have few left.
But, some do lie to themselves, and comments about this video show that clearly.
@@danmc7815 Fair enough Dan. I don't believe anything at all has changed, and the evidence for that is the DS, team managers, etc, who are former dopers, happily running today's teams. Passing down the knowledge. Anyway, best wishes to you!
@@jnavonoD If anything has changed its due to those on the outside of the sport and sponsors pulling out. Thanks and best wishes to you.
Another fanboy making excuses. The doping before Armstrong was amature-style and not directly protected by the UCI. Armstrong was a psychopath who introduced a ruthless Mafia-esque systems and then went after other people like mobsters in Mafia movies. Terrible. Because of him, doping became a real issue and he hurt the sport in the long run big time with his whiny cancer story. Cycling lost a lot of money and went back to a niche sport, especially in terms of broadcasting. We can be glad that there is the Green movement now and that technology has given us the pedelec e-bike. Those two things led to an explosion of the CASUAL and AMATURE biking scene while professionally cycling is as irrelevant as it was in the 1980. All the good deeds of the 1990 for nothing, because one cliché retarded Murican donkey had to overdo it.
We all know this from the real world. All will suffer when one dude goes too far and then things get changed because of the one dude.
Armstrong is the rotten cancer pimple on cycling's ass.
Dopestrong!
Live strong, dope strong!
I’m a proud Texan who has been to Plano, TX many times for work. I’m still disappointed in Lance. I have been watching the TDF since the early 80s. It still pains me that Lance Armstrong was such a cheater.
Everything is bigger in Texas...especially the lies.
I think he meant seven exhilarating editions...
They where all doped to the max. Lance was no different.
@@johndylanvanhoucke3439 doping should never be allowed. I agree with that. Why they hate Lance; i don’t get it.
Don’t agree, there were some clean riders
@@Richie-Cyeah they were dead last. GTFO
@@LvanderMto say it shouldn't be allowed is ridiculous. It's like saying we don't want to see the very best athletes compete. Or we never want to see world records broke. Doping has always been going on, in every sport. Amateur and professional.
Have you ever used gear of any kind? It doesn't just enhance athletic performance, but it enhances life as a whole. If it wasn't for steroids, many many many successful people wouldn't be as successful as they are.
But a narsicistic bully, protecting his 'secret' at all Cost.
for me at danish he have all seven win 100 % all winner of tour de france have take dope from 1947 to now
free dope and ban water
The way cycling and the world dumped Lance, but nobody else, was super odd. The way it was portrayed as if Lance was the organizer of the entire system, was and still is laughable. The way it was portrayed as if he won because he doped, is so wrong because it discounts the fact everyone else doped too. The tours from 1996-2005 (even before LA) were the best tours ever and any fan would by lying if they suggested otherwise. Lance won his 7 on his bike and with his team. That should not have been taken away, not unless they took away everything else that happened in every race during that time. The doping was systematic and supported by the organizers, end of story!
Well said. 2006 was an entertaining tour as well with Landis winning, but I digress... They were showing a special segment today during the tour a few times. It showed all the riders who won the tour more than once. It included riders like Hinault, Indurain, and Froome...But of course it did not include Lance (which we come to expect now ever since his ban). The irony is seeing other dopers in the video segment such as Indurain. Don't get me wrong, I have tremendous respect for Big Mig, but they all have doped in one way or another.
I don't get fan boys like you? Lance was penalised yes for doping, but more so for the way he went about it, bullying, harassment, lying, corruption and shutting down any desent against him, the countless people he threatened (Betsy Andreu/David Walsh/Greg and Kathy Lemond) it was his actions away from the bike that did for him so his former teammate Landis would strike the final blow. I don't listen to any of his podcasts or his later dealings because for me he's learnt nothing shown no contrition and when he does it's half arsed. He's lucky he's still got a roof over his head the money he siphoned off from cycling, sponsors etc. Yes they are all complicit but it took a truly big ahole like him to do it and herein lies the problem.
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158 Stop worrying about trying to understand other peoples opinion. Focus on making your own life the best it possibly can be.
darrin kinney : Because he was a thug, gangster and blackmailer. The others were just dopers.
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158 You talk like you know all that went down back then, but i am sure you don’t, so stop being so high and mighty!
The joy experienced when one pontificates lyrically. Would there ever have been or continue to be a tour without doping?
Yes.
Greatest cyclist! Doping took almost the entire field, but his approach was the best in everything, including the same doping!
He was the fastest doper in a pool of riders who all doped. Not a justification for his conduct, but it is the undeniable truth of the matter. Take it how you will.
Incorrect.
I love this channel and the way you pronounce the Spanish names. I think you must have some level of Spanish…. From a native.
Say what you will, but Lance was pure entertainment 🥇🚴♂️
Subbed 🤙
So so true!
They all doped and still do.
How do you know ?
@@peterwest5525 sadly it's human nature
@@peterwest5525 because it’s a competitive sport and typically the players want to win
STILL WON SEVEN,❤
Best story for remember our sins
The reason Armstrong has never shown believable contrition over cheating is because he is not. What we all witnessed on Oprah and ever since is regret. Regret that he’d been caught, knowing that virtually everyone in the peloton was drugged up to the eyeballs. Omertà is still alive and cycling. It has been since the very start of the sport.
has he ever apologised to bassons?
He was drugged up more than anybody. Stop this pathetic fanboy stuff of a "level playing field". It was not. His juicing started where others' ended.
They all cheated. Lance didn't cheat different. Such a shame he was/is singled out. The first 3 tours he one every one in the top five were penalized later. But it was all Lance.
Mile Suit : Because he was a thug, gangster and blackmailer. The others were just dopers.
Yes, everybody doped, but nobody was as extreme as Lance
Wow, what a ridiculous myopic comment. THUG is right
@@peterwest5525 What do you mean by thug and gangster?
@@sampreece go away and find out. Ask Greg Lemond or Filippo Simeoni..
Level playing field. All of his second and third place competitors were also busted for doping.
Good one. Lance fooled so many cancer patients and lost any good will he'd gained. You can't polish a turd. Just stinks more.
Actually he raised over half a billion dollars for cancer patients and also put a focus on protecting fertility prior to cancer treatment, due to the nature of his own illness. Thousands of cancer victims were able to have children thanks to his foundation. You do realize that all the teams were and still are doping and that it was even worse in the 80’s and early 90’s? In the NFL a positive PED result leads to a small fine and a few games penalty. Are you too dvmb to realize that there is a double standard here? The guy who convicted Lance, Jeff Novitsky is now paid millions as an Executive in the UFC, which is rife with steroid abuse. In that league a positive result leads to a suspension. You are the tvrd, pal.
and yet he still does have fans and admirers. I guess it's good to know who his steadfast fans are because then you know what kind of a person you are talking to.
He also raised millions of dollars for them as well. Doesn’t make it right but it is the other half of your comment
Stinkstrong...
@@fumanpoo4725 Dude, you live up to your fake troll name. You literally post doper abuse on every cyclist video. Got any clean ones?
Ferrari wasn’t the team doctor at the US postal team was he? Hamilton was with Fuentes I thought. I could be wrong, can’t remember what I done yesterday.
@@hans-verhoeven niet van Boogerd in elk geval
Hamilton rode for Postal before moving to CSC. He used to be a Lance domestique.
@@cycleoflife565 I know that but Tyler never used the services of Doctor Ferrari. He got his Go Faster from Fuentes.
'A dynasty of terror' lol. He was a doped cyclist ya melt, not a cartel boss 🤣
He was a doping cartel boss. He set up an entire system.
It was fishy but at the end of the day, u can always smell a rat when u see someone performing amazing
"that man with a single ball in his body" x) wtf man
'THE FUCKING GRINGO RIDER'(LOL!)
He never doped He was forced to confess because a pressure put on him.
Lance destroyed competition cycling for me.
Really? It’s still an exciting sport. You’re missing out.
@@podnuh It is an irrelevant boring niche sport and Armstrong made it implode when it was just about to become a B sport in terms of broadcasting, money intake etc.
Now it is back in obscurity while it had potential to become another large thing in the group of sports below the no.1 sport football (soccer).
It was happening way before Lance😂
They all doped equal playing field lance won and is still the best of that era.
Incorrect and proven wrong. It was not an equal playing field. But keep ignoring facts like FBI files, anti doping agency investigations, etc.
@@bobbwc7011 so the top guys in those tours wasn’t using epos? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. They doped lance just had a better team and they doped better. Not saying that’s right by no means. But it was some epic racing
@@teamtntstriperfishing5334 they actually didnt use epo DURING the tour. only lance was brazen enough with his psychopathy using motorman. all others were afraid to carry epo because of the festina affair.
armstrong should have been thrown out on day one with his cortisone positive. pathetic fanboy
@@jakobknipfer4809your delusional. Every top rider in the world was doping. Are you really that naive???😂
Lance is a tour de France legend
All tour de France champions are doped.
legend of dirty tour. 😊
Everyone was juiced, who cares
The whole thing stunk and it is a lesson for people that life shouldn't be all about winning. The ego of a person who has lost their moral compass will justify winning at any costs. Thats the devil inside their head that they are listening to. We all have it and it's up to us to listen to the heart rather than the head.
It´s the "Grand Boucle," not the grand bouclé ( bouclay.)
How EVERY RIDER IN THE SPORT WAS DOPED...CARE TO DO A VIDEO ON THAT ?
I have watched many of your videos. It would seem that everyone was doped...which makes it all rather like no one was doped. There is no level laying field in this sport....special food, particular bikes, differing aerodynamic clothes etc....so they all had different drugs....c'est la vie
Everyone wasn’t doped.
Ban TUEs too then; one either can make it to the top without them, or just stick to casual riding, right Mister Froom!
I like Armstrong as a rider, but since i never met him, i have no opinion about him as a human.
I think he's growing up at his 50s
@@cyclingstories Seems so, i liked the interviews he gave after the dust settled down after his career.
@@TheRongy Just like Mike Tyson, became a true peoples champion in the last years, both Mike & Lance set about exercising demons
@@johnd1466 Well said my friend!
@@cyclingstories so what do you think of the extremely doped Merckx who is still celebrated everywhere and could just keep his Tour victories?
I think you mean dopER and not dopED....
Didn’t really win anything now, did he?
A real american...
Lance is still #1 GOAT
“Are all the organizers of that dirty, dirty sport going to turn in their yachts? No, they stood by and let it happen… our roided up guy beat their roided up guy!” Bill Burr 🇺🇸 #1 🇺🇸
shame
Everyone who was competitive was doping!! Stop attacking Lance armstrong because he did it the best and was the best athlete and biker!! Get it!!?? Everyone was doping!! To me and many others Lance is 7x time tour de france champ still!!!
You doping?
Lance, man. Not cool at all. Hehe.
Snowflakes beating dead horses.
All people who compete in sports dope.
We compete because we want to win.
We know that others dope.
We can only compete on the dopers level by doping.
You’re guaranteed to lose if you don’t dope.