I worked for Frank on 84 tour setting up Chad‘s drums and Scott’s bass rig. Every night Chad would do things that would make my draw drop. Unbelievable, smooth, dynamic, explosive, etc. etc. etc..
I love the fact that you took the time to rank these drummers. Like many others, my selection would have been a bit different. I love Chester, but Vinnie and Terry are up top in my ears. Thanks, that was fun!
They are all great drummers and sometimes it might depend on what is your favourite band or period. My favourite is Aynsley Dunbar because he sounded very simple and direct but in fact played complex patterns. I also saw him play with early days Journey and he was a powerhouse.
Interesting Wackerman is so low for you, he's my favorite frank drummer. In 84 despite his drum kit his drumming is a shining light for me. His personality is that he is so versatile. He's busy at times but there's times he's also restrained, unlike Vinnie which can be too much at times. As for not elevating Frank's personality, I think his ability to adapt is what his personality was. He allowed frank to mix up the setlists every night, and allow frank to not have to build the band around the drummer. Every time I listen to an 82 black page I know no other drummer could be my favorite.
Oh and chester is definitely my number 2. There was one Montana I heard where chester and frank I swear were improvising in sync that cemented that for me.
Thanks for the input here. Most of the Zappafanatics dont put Chad at top. Shaggy here dont like the 88´tour and I guess if you dont like that tour is difficult to appreciate Chad´s work. I dont know if any other drummer could have pulled of 180 songs without playing a misstake. His capacity to remember and play smooth is just perfect. Yes I know hes not have a Bozzio like charisma. And not the groove as Ansley but man the 88´tour
Wackerman is indeed an absolute beast, and such a cerebral yet versatile drummer. I feel he definitely pushed FZ in his solos, especially fall '81 and Europe '82. The '88 tour was insanely crazy - Wackerman is so dead=on it's scary.
I saw Vinnie with Zappa a thousand years ago. He was insanely gifted on that tour. He was really young back then. Now after many years of being one of the most in demand studio drummers ever and live drummers ever, he still plays with phenomenal technique but the years have naturally tempered his playing and he now is so focused on making each note count and on the sound of the kit and where each texture fits the need of the band. I saw him play in Atlantic City with Jeff Beck, Pino Paladino, and Jason Rebelo. He fit that band with what Beck needed. It was contained but played with absolute authority and commitment. I saw him play with Herbie Hancock on a video with Tal Wilkenfeld, Lionel Loueke, and a young man whose name I don’t remember but he played keys and alto sax. Great band. Vinnie played busier but every note really meant something. It was as though Vinnie and Herbie were reading each other’s minds. It wasn’t about chops. It was about playing orchestrally around the rest of the band. In my opinion, Along with Jack DeJohnette, Elvin Jones, Roy Haynes and Marlon Simon; Vinnie is one the most versatile, technically adept, soulful and generous drummers I’ve ever heard. And I’m 70 years old and a huge Zappa fan, from the old Fillmore East days. Like those other drummers, Vinnie has such musicality and uniqueness. Regardless of the gig he’s on, you can always hear his voice. Nowadays he’s a wonder to behold. Your channel is amazing I completely relate to your passionate love of music. I’m assuming you are a musician because of the intelligent way you analyze and discuss things, especially this list of exceptional drummers. Great channel. I’m subscribing.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. As a prog-oriented drummer, playing with FZ would've been amazing, as being in his band is about as high an honor as one can achieve in rock/jazz circles. Although all of the players you mention are amazing in their way, of those you mention, I also relate most closely to Chester and his work is phenomenal. One of my favorite musical moments in the '70s (when of course the best music in any rock-related genres emerged) is the transcendent guitar solo in Inca Roads (one of my favorite pieces to play on drums). The way Chester's playing (and Tim's bass) compliments Frank's sublime feel is perfection. The fact that the live performances varied depending on Frank's mood and the band adapted makes it all the more amazing with complex pieces such as that one. As an aside, the fact that FZ doesn't appear higher in "top whatever" guitarist lists just shows you much much b.s. such lists are. Also, both Vinnie's and Terry's work with Jeff Beck (and others) is pretty amazing. I saw them live way back when and would love to hear some recordings.
Great list. My top 5 would have been the same but in a different order with Vinnie number one. Love him on Joe's Garage (Keep It Greasy!!!) and SUNPYG. Love Aynsley's brief solo on Waka/Jawaka too. Are you going to do vocalists...?
First time i really was listening to Zappa was "Tinsel Town Rebellion". I think that album is marvellous. I've seldom heard Colaiuta so creative as on that album. He became a star for me around that time. I agree with you when you talk about Bozzio and Colaiuta, and even Wackerman, thou i was a little surprised to see him number 6. And i was surprised that you placed Chester on top, but that makes me wanna listen more to those drummers in Zappa's early groups. Thanks for your insightsful shearing.
Good list! I always liked JCB's drumming style. It's just so straightforward and powerful that I can't help but groove to it. The original Mothers could get really crazy and out there with their avant-garde collective improvisations and having JCB's rather standard (yet confident) drumming back that up, especially after they got Art Tripp in the band to do the crazier percussion stuff, really helped tie everything together into something coherent. Stuff like the waltz section of Little House I Used To Live In (with Sugarcane Harris on violin), the polymetric section of Toads Of The Short Forest ("at this very moment on stage...."), and any performance of Charles Ives really come to life in a certain way because of it. He's probably Frank's least skilled drummer, but his style really helps me enjoy whenever he's playing. The Mothers wouldn't have sounded the same without him.
For some reason Vinnie comes to mind. I really love those releases that he is on and does not sound like too much to my ears. Then Aynsley - yeah that opening of Big Swifty is like WOW every time. Are you going to get to early Journey with him? (I just realized he played with Mayall too). Jimmy Carl Black must be the coolest though. Humphrey is amazing to watch on the Roxy Movie. Would you compare him to Neil Peart? And Bozio - what a character, definitely a standout. I think Chester fits perfectly for the releases he is on, but for some reason I don't think of him or notice. (I took drum lessons for a short while and my instructor used to tell me something along the lines that the best drummers go unnoticed - if that makes sense). So from that point of view Chester could be the best.
I will not be doing Journey. Not much of a Journey fan, though I did see them reunite for Bill Graham's Memorial concert in Golden Gate Park back in the day and people were crying quite liberally during Faithfully.
@@theopinionatedhippie470 I will have to talk about the Pre-Steve Perry Journey. I have nothing but praise for those 3 albums with Gregg Rolie singing. I like the Steve era just fine, but they always were Neil Schon's band.
A really good session or interpreting drummer should be able to disappear in the music or take the spotlight…one of my fave drummers is Charles of ThisHeat cause he’s just exactly his acerbic but driving British self! SPQR!! 👍🏽🥁😋
Billy Mundi was only a kit player, not a percussionist and I think if you listen to "Tis the Season to be Jelly", the '67 Stockholm show, his drumming is really dominant there, in fact a vast difference from the way JCB later ended up doing solid simple beats and Art Tripp adding fills here and there. Speaking of Tripp, he was the only one of the percussion members who actually played drums AND percussion on tour, and drums were the first instrument, he only ended up doing vibes live in '69 for a number of songs like "Uncle Meat" and "Eric Dolphy Memorial BBQ" and a few others that did require mallet percussion.
I know I have seen a video of Mundi on a kit but I also thought he stepped away from the kit at times and did more, which is why I filed him under percussionist/misc. in my mind. Thanks for the clarification!
I always had the impression that JCB did the easier R&B type songs in 4/4 -or 6/8 (King Kong) with abilly or Art doing the harder stuff along with percussion.
I notice that drummers, guitarists and bassists have been ranked, but will the series be continued? Percussionists, singers perhaps Seems strange that Ruth Underwood hasn't been covered yet.
Ruth may just get her own special category. And yes, this one will also be finished…..I was kind of waiting on one more 60s release to confirm my Ray Collins placement and now that that release is out there, I will drop the video in a week or two. Again, thanks for the encouragement.
@theopinionatedhippie470 I will be hunting that one down - always good to know there is something I missed. means I can now watch it. Ruth Underwood special - I think that's great. She must have done stuff outside of Zappa and I think she's taught at universities etc
Great ranking. Here's mine: 9. Jimmy 8. Aynsley 7. Logeman (love the 1980 tour but I can't put him higher) 6. Ralph 5. Jim Gordon 4. Chad 3. Chester 2. Vinnie 1. Bozzio
Hoooray a Zappa video :-) Nice list, I really have not thought about it before, but on the top of my head I would not have Chester up so high, I think Terry would have been my No 1, with Vinnie being No2, Wackerman i always found to be boring and stiff, JCB would have been last but as for the rest I have no idea how I would place them. The first thing that I noticed about Franks music (i was 13-14 when i discovered him) was how different the drums sounded compared to anything that I had ever heard before, one of the first albums for me was Over-Nite Sensation and the drums for me on there sounded alien and amazing so for that reason alone Ralph holds a special place in my heart. Hope you do more of these, but it's not worth doing a percussion one as we all know Ruth would be everyones No 1 :-)
As a long term fan (40 years) I agree with your ranking, minus placing Vinnie Colaiuta on #3. He deserves the #1. E.g. Chad Wackerman is such a good drummer, you gotta love him. And I do. Yet, I can't stop listening to all the records Vinnie is on. Jeezus, holy f*kc, he taught me to love drums, just his drumming makes my eyes sweat. It's just out of this world. Others like Terry Bozzio or Ralph Humphrey had their uniqueness, and being lower in the ranking does not take away from their incredible performance, in any way, shape or form. For me, Vinnie top notch, all-time favourite.
Had the pleasure to have a beer and a chat with Jimmy Carl Black in a german club where he was playing with the Muffin Men. Really good guy. I was so sad to hear about his passing. So I am biased.
I pretty much agree with these rankings and pretty much for the reasons given. Frank’s music was incredibly technical and dense. High information music as Steve Vai put it. But then on top of all that, Frank would always put the eyebrows on. I think Chester, Terry and Ainsley Had the biggest eyebrows of the bunch. Technical proficiency alone isn’t the be all, and end all. I read in a frank interview many many years ago that he thought music should make you want to stand up and shout and do something.
David Logeman has a really great feel and timing, he's one of my favorite Zappa drummers. Almoat all Zappa drummers are brilliant, another favorite of mine is Aynsley. Ralph probably is my #1 Zappa drummer.
I’m perfectly alright with you on the two on top, though I always loved Terry’s showmanship while Chester is simply a great drummer. Btw, I saw Frank in Dortmund, NRW, Germany in 1979. Perhaps that was the tour you were referring to
Man, I think all of you not ranking Vinnie #1 are crazy! I don't get not loving all the things he was doing. He was the perfect drummer for Frank, because their polyrhythmic sensibilities and ability to listen matched each other and came out as almost telepathic. To me I don't think he ever played too much. I think he suits the music (as he has fit in with projects his whole career since). But then, I guess I love "odd" stuff, polyrhythms, improv within structure, etc, more than most people. I like drummers to play with time within the structure of the music like he did.
I hear you, but if you ever get a chance or run across the Black Page from 79, check it out. Perfect example of Too Much Vinnie, though I understand if you think Too Much Vinnie is an impossibility.
On a side note , I had a French drum tutor who had graduated from Berkley and PIT , and he told me that Vinnie was a big coke head and held Frank to ransome before a tour , hence the short lived career. If you listen to A little green Rosetta it kinda makes sense
trying to pick one over the other is like saying whats better Harvard or MIT. persoally though i would have to go with Bozzio but those other guys are ALSO Awesome
Good choice to limit it to touring drummers. Which leaves out studio greats like John Guerin, Paul Humphrey, Jim Gordon and the great ,mysterious Ron Selico ( Peaches En Regalia)
Good one Shaggy , I know your bias toward the 73 /74 band and in part some of the richest sounding music comes from that era . I love Helsinki concerts and that run of songs on Roxy sound track from T'Mershi Duween to Cheepnis is the most perfect bit of music ever . Also pretty shure Chester plays on RDNZL , Studio Tan version , which is possibly the greatest thing ever , so maybe your right ...... can't wait to you review the bass players !!!
I loved Chad when he played for Alan Holdsworth. He was more in his element. With Zappa he seemed to be a bit too time signature oriented. He sounded a bit restrained. In a box, just trying to get the metre right. Vinnie Colaiuta was not restrained. He is definitely a top 2 or 3 for me. Chester and Ralph were always great. The Roxy band is my favorite of all Zappa's Mothers. Bozzio was a lot of fun. As a sexually fixated Punky Meadows fanatic or the great drummer he really is. I love The Torture Never Stops from the first Stage album. Zappa commented that Bozzio used the cymbals and an open hi-hat for timing too much. Torture is a perfect example of Frank's complaint....and i don't care. Bozzio was even better on UK's Danger Money. A real monter. I liked the first Missing Persons album but the 2nd, in my opinion was a disaster. There is always danger in being married to a beautiful, sexy woman who fronts your band. Poor Terry never had a chance when image took preference over musicality. I love Aynsley Dunbar. He has always been an ace. There is nothing not to like about his brief but crucial tenure with the Mothers. It was Franks first major change involving his many lineups and Aynsley was a shining star. At the time, Dunbar was one of the most highly regarded drummers on the scene. A rep well earned in my opinion.
I just am more of a fan of Terry's drumming especially what he's done from the 80s up until now and these massive drum sets that he's use through d.w. and he plays every single bit of the damn thing I mean I've never seen a drummer experiment more with sound with his style and different drums in the history of drumming then Terry Bozzio. His drumming is from another planet. But I know that vinny's the most fundamentally sound drummer that Frank had but he didn't have the Showmanship or the ability to play Frank songs quite like Terry and Frank's guitar solos to me from the time Terry was in the band until he left they just don't get any better. I mean the intensity of Frank's band did not get any better than the lineups that had Terry involved I mean he was such an amazing build up drummer like when they would do torture never stops black napkin Muffin Man and chunga's Revenge just three examples of how Terry could build off the songs with such Fury and intensity and everybody in the band would feed off of it. even Frank fed off Terry's intensity and Showmanship. I'm saying his guitar solos were so f****** intense during the bosio days the best s*** he's ever done in my mind and it was a direct result of Bozzio ability to shift that band into overdrive and get the most out of everybody that's the only other musician in the history of Frank's music that that can get the most out of the musicians around him other than Frank. Terry Bozzio is an all-around entertainment force. I still know that Vinnie is probably more technically sound than any of Frank's drummers and probably a little better than Terry in some ways but I still think in my mind that Terry was a better drummer for Frank Zappa and in my mind his ability to play just as well as Vinnie does
Chad Wackerman was the de facto studio drummer in Frank's work at the end. He did all the drumming for all the remasters and on a lot more later released albums. Ralph Humpfrey was in the Don Ellis Jazz Orchestra before joining Frank, a group that basically never played 4/4 or 3/4, favoring "odd" time signatrures like 33/16 with an odd measure of 36/16 tossed in.
I've seen every drummer live with FZ - since Ralph and Chester in the 70's ... and I actually auditioned for FZ in the early 80's... But... Chad got the gig!.... 🥵🤬😢...I'm old!!!!
I haven't watched this yet, but if Vinnie isn't number 1, you don't know what you're talking about.... Ok, listened to it now. You're entitled to your opinion, and I love Chester. Also, good on you for at least mentioning David Logeman who I think was a far groovier player than the appropriately named Wackerman), but neither of them is as good as Vinnie, technically OR musically. It's worth remembering that when Vinnie is going into the stratosphere, it's because that's what Frank told him to do ("go with what I'm doing on the guitar" was the instruction) and, as you acknowledge, Vinnie and Arthur Barrow pushed him to hitherto undreamt of heights on the guitar. But that aside, just listen to the time, the feel, the creativity. None of Frank's other drummers come close. Not only that, with Frank, Vinnie created a whole new style of drumming that synthesised Tony Williams, Billy Cobham, Steve Gadd and Edgard Varése; there's no one like him. I'll add this; all Frank's drummers were fantastic in their own ways; the only one I didn't like was Chad Wackerman, (an amazing drummer but not much feel in him). And in many ways, Vinnie's playing with Zappa was the best he ever did. He got even better technically as the years went on, but I don't think he ever played anything as brilliantly free and organic as he did with FZ.
I’m pretty sure Billy Mundi was technically an actual drum kit player. Him and Jimmy both. I think that’s why Jimmy didn’t like having him in the band, because it felt like a competition between the two of them, whereas Art was more a refined assorted percussion player
Thanks. I know I have seen video of Mundi on a kit but I thought he did work away from the kit so I filed him under the misc. tag with the rest of the percussionists.
@@paulayers1111 Yeah, he should have had Billy Mundi, in the bottom half of the list, above JCB - for a reminder of why, one need only refer to the King Kongs included on Uncle Meat and Tis The Season. And now the !!!! - It's not enough to gnash one's teeth at the Jim Gordon comment - this is illustrative of a profoundly dangerous mental malaise. Those who cannot separate the art from the artist - and who consequently are almost invariably censorship-advocates - are a capital-T Threat to humanity at large, for the same reason that religious people are a threat - their ability to perceive the world rationally is chronically impaired, and they are currently able to exert governance (i.e terror/tyrrany) over every person saner than them.
Wait until you see my bass player video. My refusal to even say a certain bass players’ name will surely drive you nuts with thoughts of perceived censorship and religious fanaticism! My opinions shall rule the world!!!
Terry Bozzio was the best Showmanship drummer that Frank had for the show itself the characters that he played the way he interacted with the audience there wasn't a better drummer for the band and he can sing as well better than any of the drummers that Frank had and to me the most intense music that Frank put out was 76 through early 78 don't get me wrong Vinny is the best drummer that ever been in Frank's lineups but as in terms of the guy that meant the most to Frank as a drummer it was Bozzio. And what he brought to the table. Terry Bozzio helped put Frank over the top and Chad wackerman was with him longer than anybody I think he was the drummer that had everything he was looking for when it came to being a Hired Gun he had found the the guy to play drums for him the rest of the way. And I'm a big fan of Ansley Dunbar but honestly I think the best drumming he did was to come when he joined Journey Chester Thompson was an amazing drummer for Frank although I thought his best drumming was still to come when he finally joined Genesis. Terry Vinnie Chad Chester and Ansley in that order
Hmm, not sure what order I'd put them in but I'd have Humphrey over Wackerman and Humphrey under Dunbar. Tho Dunbar could also be over Thompson for me. That '71 stuff blew me away. And I have a soft spot for JCB. But my top favs would be Dunbar, Bozzio and Vinnie. Prob Bozzio at my #1.
Pretty similar….I learned some unpleasant…super unpleasant things about Dunbar since. Probably would have dropped him below Gordon based on being a POS.
My List (as a Pro Drummer - FWIW)... #15 (out of 9) D. Logeman (lol)... #8 - Jim Gordon... #7 - Jimmy Carl Black... #6 - Ansley Dunbar (Great Drummer - But, Imo, a bit heavy handed, perhaps not the best choice for FZ's Band of challenging rhythms) .... #5 & #4 - Ralph Humphrey and Chester Thompson (since they mostly played as a pair)... #3 - Chad Wackerman - Love his smooth playing - esp w/ A.H., but - I was also auditioning for the drum seat for FZ's band - and he got the gig over me - so I have to dock a bit for that!... #2 & #1 (very close) Terry Bozzio and Vinne Coliauta... BY FAR - The most Musical, Technically Proficient, Fun, Passionate, etc... (Again - Vinnie tells the story - that Frank Wanted him to "Go For It" - especially early on ~ and he certainly did!!! - (check his playing on all the SUAPYG stuff))... and as I am a Drummer... "Too Much Vinnie"?........NEVER!!!.... lol.... BTW - I just heard a Chad W. interview - and he stated that Frank Told Him play the Elex Drums... Chad did not want to - in fact he really did not like it at all!!! Cheers!
David Logeman is on the Mudd Club live album released last year. I really like his style but you can tell he was a little stiff, later in the tour he started getting a feel for franks playing but I heard he didn’t want to work with another drummer Frank hired so he left
I'm pretty sure that Frank considered Terry Bozio a genius. He wrote The Black Page to try to mess with his head. Failed. 🙂 I like Vinnie, but they could all play in my band. Not at once though.
Great Review Your top 5 is solid but I would have different order #1 Terry for all the reasons you said on his influence on FZ and for The Black Page #2 Ansley , he did so much in such a short period always explosive in Flo and Eddie bands and Everything on Side 2 of Grand Wazoo #3 Vinnie : no much to say there was nothing he couldn’t play #4 : for Andy and his great sense of humor #5 Ralph : metronome for everyone to latch on to Jim Gordon metal health issues were tragic but for Apostrophe beak and the Coda from Layla he is #6 Can wait for more Zappa sidemen reviews Last but not least . Although not qualified Ron Selico for Peaches en Regalia
Man you seem to be judging how frank used them as opposed to actual judging of talent. Wackerman so low... listen to metal fatigue by Allen Holdsworth if you want to see what he could do.
I am. Definitely. These drummers….most of them….have huge non-Frank catalogs so for the sake of this channel and this video, I am doing exactly that. Wackerman gets penalized because Frank made him play an electronic kit in ‘84….not Chad’s fault and he still sounds great but….Yes, Wackerman is a sick sick drummer.
1. Terry Bozzio 2. Vinnie Colaiuta (great drummer but no restraint) 4. Chester Thompson 5. Ralph Humphrey 6. Art Tripp 7. Billy Mundi 8. David Logeman 9. Jimmy Carl Black 10. Jim Gordon 11. The 70-71 drummer (reason: 1994 conviction for sexual assault on a child)
What?!?! Damn. I did not know that. In Grand Junction, Co. Taking advantage of small town kids. Damn! Wish I knew that before I made this video. The former Frank players convicted of sex crimes is adding up. There was another Journey drummer who also got convicted for a sex crime.
Whoever died and gave you the right to be a drum critic should be ashamed of themselves your critiques are from someone who doesn't even listen to music
MY FIRST ZAPPA CONCERT WAS AFTER ONE SIZE FITS ALL CAME OUT,WAS TERRY B.GOOD DRUMMER! NEXT WAS WITH CHAD W. AND STEVE VAI,I ALSO PLAY GUITAR, ANYWAY MY FIRST INTRODUCTION TO FRANK WAS HEARING OVERNIGHT SENSATION AND APOSTROPHE ALBUMS AROUND 74 OR MAYBE 75.THAT WAS A LOT OF DOOBIES AGO AND YES I KNOW FRANK WOULD OF DISAPPROVED. LOL 😆 BUT RALPH HUMPHREY DID GREAT ON OVERNIGHT SENSATION AND I WAS HOOKED!
Wackerman did St. Etienne I believe right? God his drumming is like no other, him and Frank have such good synergy
Yes, live ‘82 band solo….
I worked for Frank on 84 tour setting up Chad‘s drums and Scott’s bass rig.
Every night Chad would do things that would make my draw drop. Unbelievable, smooth, dynamic, explosive, etc. etc. etc..
so glad to see Chester in the #1 spot. he always stood out to me
You favorite era and drummer are my favorites too. Great video.
I love the fact that you took the time to rank these drummers. Like many others, my selection would have been a bit different. I love Chester, but Vinnie and Terry are up top in my ears. Thanks, that was fun!
Thanks!
They are all great drummers and sometimes it might depend on what is your favourite band or period. My favourite is Aynsley Dunbar because he sounded very simple and direct but in fact played complex patterns. I also saw him play with early days Journey and he was a powerhouse.
I can always get behind your Zappa discussions. Cool opinion piece here!
Interesting Wackerman is so low for you, he's my favorite frank drummer. In 84 despite his drum kit his drumming is a shining light for me. His personality is that he is so versatile. He's busy at times but there's times he's also restrained, unlike Vinnie which can be too much at times. As for not elevating Frank's personality, I think his ability to adapt is what his personality was. He allowed frank to mix up the setlists every night, and allow frank to not have to build the band around the drummer. Every time I listen to an 82 black page I know no other drummer could be my favorite.
Oh and chester is definitely my number 2. There was one Montana I heard where chester and frank I swear were improvising in sync that cemented that for me.
Well, I just wanted to write somethng like that, now I don't have to.
Thanks for the input here. Most of the Zappafanatics dont put Chad at top. Shaggy here dont like the 88´tour and I guess if you dont like that tour is difficult to appreciate Chad´s work. I dont know if any other drummer could have pulled of 180 songs without playing a misstake. His capacity to remember and play smooth is just perfect. Yes I know hes not have a Bozzio like charisma. And not the groove as Ansley but man the 88´tour
Wackerman is indeed an absolute beast, and such a cerebral yet versatile drummer. I feel he definitely pushed FZ in his solos, especially fall '81 and Europe '82. The '88 tour was insanely crazy - Wackerman is so dead=on it's scary.
80’s drum sounds were a tad dodgy in general 😂
I saw Vinnie with Zappa a thousand years ago. He was insanely gifted on that tour.
He was really young back then. Now after many years of being one of the most in demand studio drummers ever and live drummers ever, he still plays with phenomenal technique but the years have naturally tempered his playing and he now is so focused on making each note count and on the sound of the kit and where each texture fits the need of the band. I saw him play in Atlantic City with Jeff Beck, Pino Paladino, and Jason Rebelo. He fit that band with what Beck needed. It was contained but played with absolute authority and commitment.
I saw him play with Herbie Hancock on a video with Tal Wilkenfeld, Lionel Loueke, and a young man whose name I don’t remember but he played keys and alto sax.
Great band. Vinnie played busier but every note really meant something. It was as though Vinnie and Herbie were reading each other’s minds. It wasn’t about chops. It was about playing orchestrally around the rest of the band.
In my opinion, Along with Jack DeJohnette, Elvin Jones, Roy Haynes and Marlon Simon; Vinnie is one the most versatile, technically adept, soulful and generous drummers I’ve ever heard. And I’m 70 years old and a huge Zappa fan, from the old Fillmore East days. Like those other drummers, Vinnie has such musicality and uniqueness.
Regardless of the gig he’s on, you can always hear his voice. Nowadays he’s a wonder to behold.
Your channel is amazing I completely relate to your passionate love of music. I’m assuming you are a musician because of the intelligent way you analyze and discuss things, especially this list of exceptional drummers.
Great channel. I’m subscribing.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. As a prog-oriented drummer, playing with FZ would've been amazing, as being in his band is about as high an honor as one can achieve in rock/jazz circles. Although all of the players you mention are amazing in their way, of those you mention, I also relate most closely to Chester and his work is phenomenal. One of my favorite musical moments in the '70s (when of course the best music in any rock-related genres emerged) is the transcendent guitar solo in Inca Roads (one of my favorite pieces to play on drums). The way Chester's playing (and Tim's bass) compliments Frank's sublime feel is perfection. The fact that the live performances varied depending on Frank's mood and the band adapted makes it all the more amazing with complex pieces such as that one.
As an aside, the fact that FZ doesn't appear higher in "top whatever" guitarist lists just shows you much much b.s. such lists are. Also, both Vinnie's and Terry's work with Jeff Beck (and others) is pretty amazing. I saw them live way back when and would love to hear some recordings.
Great job breaking them down, love drummers and drumming and I can't really argue with you much at all. Cool listing and explanation.
Great list. My top 5 would have been the same but in a different order with Vinnie number one. Love him on Joe's Garage (Keep It Greasy!!!) and SUNPYG.
Love Aynsley's brief solo on Waka/Jawaka too.
Are you going to do vocalists...?
Yes, I am planning on doing the vocalists.
First time i really was listening to Zappa was "Tinsel Town Rebellion". I think that album is marvellous. I've seldom heard Colaiuta so creative as on that album. He became a star for me around that time. I agree with you when you talk about Bozzio and Colaiuta, and even Wackerman, thou i was a little surprised to see him number 6. And i was surprised that you placed Chester on top, but that makes me wanna listen more to those drummers in Zappa's early groups. Thanks for your insightsful shearing.
Spot on w RH. Amazing drummer.
Good list! I always liked JCB's drumming style. It's just so straightforward and powerful that I can't help but groove to it. The original Mothers could get really crazy and out there with their avant-garde collective improvisations and having JCB's rather standard (yet confident) drumming back that up, especially after they got Art Tripp in the band to do the crazier percussion stuff, really helped tie everything together into something coherent. Stuff like the waltz section of Little House I Used To Live In (with Sugarcane Harris on violin), the polymetric section of Toads Of The Short Forest ("at this very moment on stage...."), and any performance of Charles Ives really come to life in a certain way because of it.
He's probably Frank's least skilled drummer, but his style really helps me enjoy whenever he's playing. The Mothers wouldn't have sounded the same without him.
Agreed that JCB is integral to the 60s Mothers' sound. Thanks for the comment!
For some reason Vinnie comes to mind. I really love those releases that he is on and does not sound like too much to my ears. Then Aynsley - yeah that opening of Big Swifty is like WOW every time. Are you going to get to early Journey with him? (I just realized he played with Mayall too). Jimmy Carl Black must be the coolest though. Humphrey is amazing to watch on the Roxy Movie. Would you compare him to Neil Peart? And Bozio - what a character, definitely a standout. I think Chester fits perfectly for the releases he is on, but for some reason I don't think of him or notice. (I took drum lessons for a short while and my instructor used to tell me something along the lines that the best drummers go unnoticed - if that makes sense). So from that point of view Chester could be the best.
I will not be doing Journey. Not much of a Journey fan, though I did see them reunite for Bill Graham's Memorial concert in Golden Gate Park back in the day and people were crying quite liberally during Faithfully.
@@theopinionatedhippie470 I will have to talk about the Pre-Steve Perry Journey. I have nothing but praise for those 3 albums with Gregg Rolie singing. I like the Steve era just fine, but they always were Neil Schon's band.
A really good session or interpreting drummer should be able to disappear in the music or take the spotlight…one of my fave drummers is Charles of ThisHeat cause he’s just exactly his acerbic but driving British self! SPQR!! 👍🏽🥁😋
Billy Mundi was only a kit player, not a percussionist and I think if you listen to "Tis the Season to be Jelly", the '67 Stockholm show, his drumming is really dominant there, in fact a vast difference from the way JCB later ended up doing solid simple beats and Art Tripp adding fills here and there. Speaking of Tripp, he was the only one of the percussion members who actually played drums AND percussion on tour, and drums were the first instrument, he only ended up doing vibes live in '69 for a number of songs like "Uncle Meat" and "Eric Dolphy Memorial BBQ" and a few others that did require mallet percussion.
I know I have seen a video of Mundi on a kit but I also thought he stepped away from the kit at times and did more, which is why I filed him under percussionist/misc. in my mind. Thanks for the clarification!
I always had the impression that JCB did the easier R&B type songs in 4/4 -or 6/8 (King Kong) with abilly or Art doing the harder stuff along with percussion.
I notice that drummers, guitarists and bassists have been ranked, but will the series be continued?
Percussionists, singers perhaps
Seems strange that Ruth Underwood hasn't been covered yet.
Ruth may just get her own special category. And yes, this one will also be finished…..I was kind of waiting on one more 60s release to confirm my Ray Collins placement and now that that release is out there, I will drop the video in a week or two. Again, thanks for the encouragement.
I also did keyboardists BTW…..in case you did not see and are interested.
@theopinionatedhippie470
I will be hunting that one down - always good to know there is something I missed. means I can now watch it.
Ruth Underwood special - I think that's great. She must have done stuff outside of Zappa and I think she's taught at universities etc
Great ranking. Here's mine:
9. Jimmy
8. Aynsley
7. Logeman (love the 1980 tour but I can't put him higher)
6. Ralph
5. Jim Gordon
4. Chad
3. Chester
2. Vinnie
1. Bozzio
Could agree more. Chester is a generational talent. My favorite drummer. Thank you for this video.
Hoooray a Zappa video :-)
Nice list, I really have not thought about it before, but on the top of my head I would not have Chester up so high, I think Terry would have been my No 1, with Vinnie being No2, Wackerman i always found to be boring and stiff, JCB would have been last but as for the rest I have no idea how I would place them.
The first thing that I noticed about Franks music (i was 13-14 when i discovered him) was how different the drums sounded compared to anything that I had ever heard before, one of the first albums for me was Over-Nite Sensation and the drums for me on there sounded alien and amazing so for that reason alone Ralph holds a special place in my heart.
Hope you do more of these, but it's not worth doing a percussion one as we all know Ruth would be everyones No 1 :-)
Ruth may just get her own video.
@@theopinionatedhippie470 hope you do, that would be great.
I agree with your numbers....CT has always been my fav.
Love your vids man, thoughts on King Crimson?
He has some videos about them like this one about the albums
th-cam.com/video/QrwW3yU-oXU/w-d-xo.html
Yes, I reviewed all the studio albums and had a top ten song list elsewhere on this channel. And thanks!
@@theopinionatedhippie470 oh I haven't seen them I'll give them a watch now
Aynsley also on Wake Jawa as well.
My personal fav is Vinne. He's crazy good.
The guy that loves Zappa Drummers is Jeff Beck, he and Coliutta are amazing together, he also used Bozzio and I'm pretty sure others.
I did not know that. Really only ever listened to Blow by Blow so may check out the others. Thanks.
As a long term fan (40 years) I agree with your ranking, minus placing Vinnie Colaiuta on #3. He deserves the #1. E.g. Chad Wackerman is such a good drummer, you gotta love him. And I do. Yet, I can't stop listening to all the records Vinnie is on. Jeezus, holy f*kc, he taught me to love drums, just his drumming makes my eyes sweat. It's just out of this world. Others like Terry Bozzio or Ralph Humphrey had their uniqueness, and being lower in the ranking does not take away from their incredible performance, in any way, shape or form. For me, Vinnie top notch, all-time favourite.
Had the pleasure to have a beer and a chat with Jimmy Carl Black in a german club where he was playing with the Muffin Men. Really good guy. I was so sad to hear about his passing. So I am biased.
great videos Shaggy , thanks , I dont agree with much that you rank , but hey I'm not you , we both love Frank so cheers to you .
There's never too much Vinnie.
I pretty much agree with these rankings and pretty much for the reasons given. Frank’s music was incredibly technical and dense. High information music as Steve Vai put it. But then on top of all that, Frank would always put the eyebrows on. I think Chester, Terry and Ainsley Had the biggest eyebrows of the bunch. Technical proficiency alone isn’t the be all, and end all.
I read in a frank interview many many years ago that he thought music should make you want to stand up and shout and do something.
Yes!!! Frank Zappa drummers!
David Logeman has a really great feel and timing, he's one of my favorite Zappa drummers. Almoat all Zappa drummers are brilliant, another favorite of mine is Aynsley. Ralph probably is my #1 Zappa drummer.
I’m perfectly alright with you on the two on top, though I always loved Terry’s showmanship while Chester is simply a great drummer. Btw, I saw Frank in Dortmund, NRW, Germany in 1979. Perhaps that was the tour you were referring to
I think your hair looks great!👍
Thanks :-)
Chester is a great. I was lucky to see him several times with Genesis.
Brian was Zappa’s fave drummer! 😂
Go Chester!!!!!❤
Man, I think all of you not ranking Vinnie #1 are crazy! I don't get not loving all the things he was doing. He was the perfect drummer for Frank, because their polyrhythmic sensibilities and ability to listen matched each other and came out as almost telepathic. To me I don't think he ever played too much. I think he suits the music (as he has fit in with projects his whole career since). But then, I guess I love "odd" stuff, polyrhythms, improv within structure, etc, more than most people. I like drummers to play with time within the structure of the music like he did.
I hear you, but if you ever get a chance or run across the Black Page from 79, check it out. Perfect example of Too Much Vinnie, though I understand if you think Too Much Vinnie is an impossibility.
To me it doesn't get much better than the intro fill on Montana by Humphries.
On a side note , I had a French drum tutor who had graduated from Berkley and PIT , and he told me that Vinnie was a big coke head and held Frank to ransome before a tour , hence the short lived career.
If you listen to A little green Rosetta it kinda makes sense
...Berklee... and they were ALL cokeheads (except Frank) at that time....
trying to pick one over the other is like saying whats better Harvard or MIT.
persoally though i would have to go with Bozzio but those other guys are ALSO Awesome
i liked them all. wackerman was maybe the least characterful drummer, but his playing was masterful. but my fav is colaiuta
Thompson and Bozzio
The rest are interchangeable
Good choice to limit it to touring drummers. Which leaves out studio greats like John Guerin, Paul Humphrey, Jim Gordon and the great ,mysterious Ron Selico ( Peaches En Regalia)
Chad was fantastic
No 1 in my opinion
Good one Shaggy , I know your bias toward the 73 /74 band and in part some of the richest sounding music comes from that era . I love Helsinki concerts and that run of songs on Roxy sound track from T'Mershi Duween to Cheepnis is the most perfect bit of music ever . Also pretty shure Chester plays on RDNZL , Studio Tan version , which is possibly the greatest thing ever , so maybe your right ...... can't wait to you review the bass players !!!
I loved Chad when he played for Alan Holdsworth. He was more in his element. With Zappa he seemed to be a bit too time signature oriented. He sounded a bit restrained. In a box, just trying to get the metre right.
Vinnie Colaiuta was not restrained. He is definitely a top 2 or 3 for me. Chester and Ralph were always great. The Roxy band is my favorite of all Zappa's Mothers. Bozzio was a lot of fun. As a sexually fixated Punky Meadows fanatic or the great drummer he really is. I love The Torture Never Stops from the first Stage album. Zappa commented that Bozzio used the cymbals and an open hi-hat for timing too much. Torture is a perfect example of Frank's complaint....and i don't care. Bozzio was even better on UK's Danger Money. A real monter. I liked the first Missing Persons album but the 2nd, in my opinion was a disaster. There is always danger in being married to a beautiful, sexy woman who fronts your band. Poor Terry never had a chance when image took preference over musicality.
I love Aynsley Dunbar. He has always been an ace. There is nothing not to like about his brief but crucial tenure with the Mothers. It was Franks first major change involving his many lineups and Aynsley was a shining star. At the time, Dunbar was one of the most highly regarded drummers on the scene. A rep well earned in my opinion.
I just am more of a fan of Terry's drumming especially what he's done from the 80s up until now and these massive drum sets that he's use through d.w. and he plays every single bit of the damn thing I mean I've never seen a drummer experiment more with sound with his style and different drums in the history of drumming then Terry Bozzio. His drumming is from another planet. But I know that vinny's the most fundamentally sound drummer that Frank had but he didn't have the Showmanship or the ability to play Frank songs quite like Terry and Frank's guitar solos to me from the time Terry was in the band until he left they just don't get any better. I mean the intensity of Frank's band did not get any better than the lineups that had Terry involved I mean he was such an amazing build up drummer like when they would do torture never stops black napkin Muffin Man and chunga's Revenge just three examples of how Terry could build off the songs with such Fury and intensity and everybody in the band would feed off of it. even Frank fed off Terry's intensity and Showmanship. I'm saying his guitar solos were so f****** intense during the bosio days the best s*** he's ever done in my mind and it was a direct result of Bozzio ability to shift that band into overdrive and get the most out of everybody that's the only other musician in the history of Frank's music that that can get the most out of the musicians around him other than Frank. Terry Bozzio is an all-around entertainment force. I still know that Vinnie is probably more technically sound than any of Frank's drummers and probably a little better than Terry in some ways but I still think in my mind that Terry was a better drummer for Frank Zappa and in my mind his ability to play just as well as Vinnie does
Couple a bars of drumming would have been nice
Chad Wackerman was the de facto studio drummer in Frank's work at the end. He did all the drumming for all the remasters and on a lot more later released albums.
Ralph Humpfrey was in the Don Ellis Jazz Orchestra before joining Frank, a group that basically never played 4/4 or 3/4, favoring "odd" time signatrures like 33/16 with an odd measure of 36/16 tossed in.
Good List..it's your list..my list BOZZIO #1...Go TEXAS !!!🌠
I saw Vinnie Colaiuta with Zappa Amazing
I've seen every drummer live with FZ - since Ralph and Chester in the 70's ... and I actually auditioned for FZ in the early 80's... But... Chad got the gig!.... 🥵🤬😢...I'm old!!!!
I haven't watched this yet, but if Vinnie isn't number 1, you don't know what you're talking about....
Ok, listened to it now. You're entitled to your opinion, and I love Chester. Also, good on you for at least mentioning David Logeman who I think was a far groovier player than the appropriately named Wackerman), but neither of them is as good as Vinnie, technically OR musically. It's worth remembering that when Vinnie is going into the stratosphere, it's because that's what Frank told him to do ("go with what I'm doing on the guitar" was the instruction) and, as you acknowledge, Vinnie and Arthur Barrow pushed him to hitherto undreamt of heights on the guitar. But that aside, just listen to the time, the feel, the creativity. None of Frank's other drummers come close. Not only that, with Frank, Vinnie created a whole new style of drumming that synthesised Tony Williams, Billy Cobham, Steve Gadd and Edgard Varése; there's no one like him.
I'll add this; all Frank's drummers were fantastic in their own ways; the only one I didn't like was Chad Wackerman, (an amazing drummer but not much feel in him). And in many ways, Vinnie's playing with Zappa was the best he ever did. He got even better technically as the years went on, but I don't think he ever played anything as brilliantly free and organic as he did with FZ.
I’m pretty sure Billy Mundi was technically an actual drum kit player. Him and Jimmy both. I think that’s why Jimmy didn’t like having him in the band, because it felt like a competition between the two of them, whereas Art was more a refined assorted percussion player
Thanks. I know I have seen video of Mundi on a kit but I thought he did work away from the kit so I filed him under the misc. tag with the rest of the percussionists.
@@theopinionatedhippie470 got it! Thanks for all the great discussion videos Shaggy
@@paulayers1111 Yeah, he should have had Billy Mundi, in the bottom half of the list, above JCB - for a reminder of why, one need only refer to the King Kongs included on Uncle Meat and Tis The Season.
And now the !!!! -
It's not enough to gnash one's teeth at the Jim Gordon comment - this is illustrative of a profoundly dangerous mental malaise. Those who cannot separate the art from the artist - and who consequently are almost invariably censorship-advocates - are a capital-T Threat to humanity at large, for the same reason that religious people are a threat - their ability to perceive the world rationally is chronically impaired, and they are currently able to exert governance (i.e terror/tyrrany) over every person saner than them.
Wait until you see my bass player video. My refusal to even say a certain bass players’ name will surely drive you nuts with thoughts of perceived censorship and religious fanaticism! My opinions shall rule the world!!!
@@theopinionatedhippie470 love Roy Estrada’s playing, just wish he wasn’t also a pedophile
Chester's thing (on Ruth!)
Terry Bozzio was the best Showmanship drummer that Frank had for the show itself the characters that he played the way he interacted with the audience there wasn't a better drummer for the band and he can sing as well better than any of the drummers that Frank had and to me the most intense music that Frank put out was 76 through early 78 don't get me wrong Vinny is the best drummer that ever been in Frank's lineups but as in terms of the guy that meant the most to Frank as a drummer it was Bozzio. And what he brought to the table. Terry Bozzio helped put Frank over the top and Chad wackerman was with him longer than anybody I think he was the drummer that had everything he was looking for when it came to being a Hired Gun he had found the the guy to play drums for him the rest of the way. And I'm a big fan of Ansley Dunbar but honestly I think the best drumming he did was to come when he joined Journey Chester Thompson was an amazing drummer for Frank although I thought his best drumming was still to come when he finally joined Genesis. Terry Vinnie Chad Chester and Ansley in that order
**** Everyone has their opinion. My list would be 1) Chester, 2) Ralph, 3) Terry, 4) Ansley, 5 Vinnie, 6-9 Others.
Aynsley, Aynsley, Aynsley. My number 1.
If your considering ruth underwood she is my number one
My #1: Aynsley!
Hmm, not sure what order I'd put them in but I'd have Humphrey over Wackerman and Humphrey under Dunbar. Tho Dunbar could also be over Thompson for me. That '71 stuff blew me away. And I have a soft spot for JCB.
But my top favs would be Dunbar, Bozzio and Vinnie. Prob Bozzio at my #1.
Bozzio 😎
Number 1 Vinnie Colaiuta
Nobody play like him
He is the Best of all the time !!!
I wrote down my top 6 before watching your opinion. I chose #1Chester #2Terry #3Vinnie #4Ralph #5Aynsley #6Chad.
Pretty similar….I learned some unpleasant…super unpleasant things about Dunbar since. Probably would have dropped him below Gordon based on being a POS.
@@theopinionatedhippie470 yikes! Must resist googling... must resist googling.... must resist googling...
Chad Wackerman is for me one of the best drummer in the world.
My List (as a Pro Drummer - FWIW)... #15 (out of 9) D. Logeman (lol)... #8 - Jim Gordon... #7 - Jimmy Carl Black... #6 - Ansley Dunbar (Great Drummer - But, Imo, a bit heavy handed, perhaps not the best choice for FZ's Band of challenging rhythms) .... #5 & #4 - Ralph Humphrey and Chester Thompson (since they mostly played as a pair)... #3 - Chad Wackerman - Love his smooth playing - esp w/ A.H., but - I was also auditioning for the drum seat for FZ's band - and he got the gig over me - so I have to dock a bit for that!... #2 & #1 (very close) Terry Bozzio and Vinne Coliauta... BY FAR - The most Musical, Technically Proficient, Fun, Passionate, etc... (Again - Vinnie tells the story - that Frank Wanted him to "Go For It" - especially early on ~ and he certainly did!!! - (check his playing on all the SUAPYG stuff))... and as I am a Drummer... "Too Much Vinnie"?........NEVER!!!.... lol....
BTW - I just heard a Chad W. interview - and he stated that Frank Told Him play the Elex Drums... Chad did not want to - in fact he really did not like it at all!!! Cheers!
Have to disagree about Humphrey’s funk feel.
Ralph is my #1 Zappa drummer, the best material Zappa did was played by RH.
I honestly find it a bit infantile to force great musicians and artists into a ranking.
It is completely infantile but I’m doing it anyway…
David Logeman is on the Mudd Club live album released last year. I really like his style but you can tell he was a little stiff, later in the tour he started getting a feel for franks playing but I heard he didn’t want to work with another drummer Frank hired so he left
I'm pretty sure that Frank considered Terry Bozio a genius. He wrote The Black Page to try to mess with his head. Failed. 🙂
I like Vinnie, but they could all play in my band. Not at once though.
If you have seen interviews with Bozzio, it DID mess with his head….but Bozzio worked his ASS off and showed Frank who’s who!
Great Review
Your top 5 is solid but I would have different order
#1 Terry for all the reasons you said on his influence on FZ and for The Black Page
#2 Ansley , he did so much in such a short period always explosive in Flo and Eddie bands and Everything on Side 2 of Grand Wazoo
#3 Vinnie : no much to say there was nothing he couldn’t play
#4 : for Andy and his great sense of humor
#5 Ralph : metronome for everyone to latch on to
Jim Gordon metal health issues were tragic but for Apostrophe beak and the Coda from Layla he is #6
Can wait for more Zappa sidemen reviews
Last but not least . Although not qualified
Ron Selico for Peaches en Regalia
David Logeman is #1.
Man you seem to be judging how frank used them as opposed to actual judging of talent. Wackerman so low... listen to metal fatigue by Allen Holdsworth if you want to see what he could do.
I am. Definitely. These drummers….most of them….have huge non-Frank catalogs so for the sake of this channel and this video, I am doing exactly that. Wackerman gets penalized because Frank made him play an electronic kit in ‘84….not Chad’s fault and he still sounds great but….Yes, Wackerman is a sick sick drummer.
Billy Mundi tended to rush and JCB tended not to, so those two together were problematic.
"#9 is Jim Gordon. He'd be higher, but he killed his mother..."
Yep, that's a demerit or two.
aynsley dunbar
Billy Mundi and Art Tripp didn't make the list.
Tripp should have been on here and would have been above JCB. Mundi was more percussion and less of a kit player, so I left him off on purpose.
Of cource Vinnie.
Don't beclown yourself.
You're obviously not a drummer.
1. Terry Bozzio
2. Vinnie Colaiuta (great drummer but no restraint)
4. Chester Thompson
5. Ralph Humphrey
6. Art Tripp
7. Billy Mundi
8. David Logeman
9. Jimmy Carl Black
10. Jim Gordon
11. The 70-71 drummer (reason: 1994 conviction for sexual assault on a child)
What?!?! Damn. I did not know that. In Grand Junction, Co. Taking advantage of small town kids. Damn! Wish I knew that before I made this video. The former Frank players convicted of sex crimes is adding up. There was another Journey drummer who also got convicted for a sex crime.
@@theopinionatedhippie470 Absolutely disgusting. In a just world, they'd be locked away forever. I don't believe they can be rehabilitated.
@@theopinionatedhippie470 : OK - I live close to GJ, CO... Who are you speaking of - Ansley???...
Which drummer? Can't find any info. I know bassist Roy Estrada was convicted of child abuse in 1994, but don't know of any drummers.
@@Gretchluver1 Dunbar
Whoever died and gave you the right to be a drum critic should be ashamed of themselves your critiques are from someone who doesn't even listen to music
Okay. Thanks…..
MY FIRST ZAPPA CONCERT WAS AFTER ONE SIZE FITS ALL CAME OUT,WAS TERRY B.GOOD DRUMMER! NEXT WAS WITH CHAD W. AND STEVE VAI,I ALSO PLAY GUITAR, ANYWAY MY FIRST INTRODUCTION TO FRANK WAS HEARING OVERNIGHT SENSATION AND APOSTROPHE ALBUMS AROUND 74 OR MAYBE 75.THAT WAS A LOT OF DOOBIES AGO AND YES I KNOW FRANK WOULD OF DISAPPROVED. LOL 😆 BUT RALPH HUMPHREY DID GREAT ON OVERNIGHT SENSATION AND I WAS HOOKED!