-Timestamps, tl;dr below- [0:00] *Chapters.* [1:24] *Laptops used - Arc V.S. X Elite.* > 1:58 Explaining why not using AMD. > 2:41 LTTStore's GPU Crash Tower Game. [3:26] *Sponsor - The Ridge.* [4:30] *Game #1: Elden Ring.* > 4:56 Linus on running Snapdragon's beta, no game modding or tweaks. [6:47] *Game #2: Age of Empires 2 ft. Chewie replaces Dan.* > 7:30 Both laptops show not having the right amount of VRAM. > 8:14 Did Alex play AoE2 multiplayer before? ft. Linus suggests scoring, FPS. > 14:26 Linus blames Dan, "WHAT AM I DOING HERE?!" - Dan 2k24. > 17:02 Linus suggests another score, immediately "loses." [17:34] *Game #3: Factorio.* [22:28] *Game #4: DOOM (2016).* > 24:22 Conflicting FPS reports, changing settings. > 26:30 Alex has issues with settings, Linus on the stream's point. [28:40] *Game #5: DOOM Eternal.* > 28:58 What Linus is interested in with the X Elite. > 30:04 Vulkan, Linus suggests one relaunch per game. > 31:54 MM - Square bitsets? ft. Snapdragon & VRAM issues. [33:42] *Game #6: Destiny 2.* > 34:02 BattlEye, Linus on the zoomer lango, French. > 36:06 Linus recites funny elections joke, drive swap, Pixel 8P's sensor. [36:45] *Game #7: Deep Rock Galactic.* [42:32] *Game #8: Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered ft. Linus logs out.* > 43:28 MM - Smaller LTT backpack ETA release? > 46:10 MM - eGPU solutions & compatibility in 2024? > 48:16 Funny hair physics, visual artifacts & gameplay experience. > 52:16 Game suggestions, downloading. [55:26] *Game #9: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart.* [58:07] *Game #10: Gigantic: Rampage Edition.* > 59:02 Linus explains the stream, Alex on the hardware. > 1:00:02 Alex on the installation & download game, gameplay experience. [1:03:06] *Game #11: Garry's Mod.* > 1:03:54 Neither Alex nor Linus played gmod, downloading assets. > 1:07:02 MM - Best headset for VR monitors? > 1:08:28 MM - Expecting a proper high-end GPU from AMD? > 1:10:18 Linus on the cost of the GPU tower block, Alex & Linus play it. > 1:13:41 MM - Standarized machines at LTT. > 1:14:04 Dex, Uber drivers & shows,Top Gun in a Skyline, Alex plays gmod. [1:25:01] *Game #12: Spitgate.* > 1:25:38 MM - Qualcomm desktop ARM CPU? [1:26:52] *Game #13: Farming Simulator 2022.* [1:36:08] *Game #14: Tape to Tape.* > 1:38:43 Alex suggests trying other stuff, HP printer, drawing & printing. > 1:49:04 MM - What is one thing your SO took that you'll never get back? [1:53:29] *Sponsor - The Ridge.* [1:55:50] *Game #15: Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege.* > 2:00:42 MM - Precision screwdriver update? > 2:04:12 MM - Double layered bottom backpack ETA? > 2:04:38 Struggling with UPlay, benchmark experience. [2:10:22] *Game #16: Psychonauts.* [2:11:30] *Game #17: Stardew Valley ft. EV sales.* [2:16:12] *Game #18: Anno 1800.* > 2:17:28 MM - Cargo pants update? > 2:19:01 Linus's laptop is slow, Alex asks about performance setting. > 2:20:12 Linus suggests a camera setting, gameplay experience. > 2:23:38 Linus launches the game, walks Alex through the controls. [2:26:08] *Game #19: Valheim.* [2:28:18] *Game #20: Rocket League.* > 2:27:29 Linus on the laptop's slowness, Valheim, RL's exclusivity. > 2:31:08 Linus on Facebook acquiring Beat Saber and not failing. > 2:32:26 Gameplay, Linus on changing a handheld's resolution. [2:38:15] *Game #21: Crysis (2007).* > 2:39:54 MM - How powerful will the Nintendo handheld be? ft. Oliver naps. > 2:41:41 Alex believes Qualcomm thought of Crysis, YT & FP chat. > 2:45:06 MM - What LTTStore product collab you want to see? > 2:46:38 Gameplay, Alex on OLED burn-in, Linus on Far Cry's AI tick rate. > 2:50:12 Different brightness, Linus & Alex swap places. [2:52:32] *Game #22: Cities: Skylines.* > 2:57:34 Benchmark experience. [3:00:21] *Game #23: Fallout: New Vegas.* [3:04:48] *Game #24: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Special Edition.* > 3:07:26 Linus on the FPS range. [3:08:10] *Game #25: Street Fighter 6.* > 3:08:32 Gamed failed count, Linus's expectation, gameplay experience. [3:17:02] *Game #26: Halo MCC & Infinite. [3:18:56] *Game #27: Helldivers 2.* [3:19:52] *Game #28: Cyberpunk 2077.* > 3:21:22 Arc runs Helldivers 2. > 3:21:48 MM - Are the flannels coming back? ft. Alex on pockets. > 3:23:36 Settings, Alex on resolution problems, Linus on game suggestions. [3:27:44] *Game #29: Grand Theft Auto V.* > 3:29:12 Linus on the many game launchers. > 3:31:26 Linus recalls GTA V's settings for reviews, bricked laptop. [3:33:16] *Game #30: Team Fortress 2.* [3:36:52] *Game #31: BeamNG.* [3:46:10] *Game #32: 7 Days to Die.* [3:46:35] *Game #33: The Jackbox Party Pack 7.* > 3:47:12 Disabling AC on 7 Days, to end with Minecraft. > 3:49:08 Alex launches Jackbox 7, asks people to join. [3:52:20] *Game #34: Minecraft: Java Edition.* > 3:52:46 Linus on the password lockout, Alex on Jackbox answers. > 3:54:21 Linus tries to recover Microsoft account. > 3:54:55 MM - Plans to branch out like this again? > 3:56:34 Alex boots up Minecraft: Bedrock Edition. > 3:58:12 Minecraft Launcher issues. [4:01:26] *Sponsor - The Ridge.* > 4:01:52 Chase installs Java & Minecraft ARM. > 4:06:00 Linus is locked out of his hotmail, thoughts on Bedrock. [4:10:42] *Game #35: Banana ft. Most intense gameplay in the history of LTT.* [4:13:26] *Final thoughts.* *-:Tl;dr:-* *Passed* AoE II: DE, Factorio, DOOM (2016), Deep RG, Gigantic: RE, Garry's Mod, Farming Sim 22, Rainbow 6 Siege, Stardew Valley, Anno 1800, Rocket League, Crysis (2007), Cities Skylines, Skyrim, Street Fighter 6, BeamNG, Jackbox 7, Minecraft: Bedrock Edition. *Failed* Elden Ring, DOOM Eternal, Destiny 2, R&C: Rift Apart, Marvel's Spider-Man RMSTD, Splitgate, Tape to Tape, Psychonauts, Valheim, Fallout: New Vegas, Halo MCC, Halo Inf, Helldivers 2, Cyberpunk 2077, GTA V, TF2, 7 Days to Die. Side note: donations are in my channel's about page. c:
Regarding Minecraft Java on the Snapdragon X at 4:03:22 I am one of the Prism Launcher Maintainers, Prism Launcher 9.0 should completely fix this issue out of the box as we will be moving to an automatic Java system. No more need to manually download! This will match Java versions and Minecraft Versions and automatically download the correct version for the architecture (in this case windows arm). For now though it should be possible to get Prism Launcher 8.4 working. I noticed you resorted to the x86 java version, adoptium does not yet have a release for windows arm unfortunately when it does it will likely be listed under AArch64 instead of just ARM (like it is currently for linux arm). Microsoft and Azul Zulu already ship a java 17 and 21 build for ARM 64bit. I would be curious if it runs on this device using the ARM64 version of java. Its unfortunate the x86 version didn't run through the Microsoft prism compatibility layer (not to be confused with us), id be curious to know what went wrong but I cant say I know enough about it yet. Unfortunately though for Legacy and Minecraft 1.8.9 players I have been unable to find any Windows for ARM Java 8 builds as of yet. I expect that Azul Zulu might soon as they have a Java 8 version for Mac M1 and linux ARM 64, but cant say for certain.
I have minecraft working on my x elite laptop with the arm64 version of java. It gets me 120fps+ on the default settings (graphics fancy, render distance, etc.) You can install the windows 8 version of the minecraft launcher and for some reason that makes it install. Got the arm64 libraries from azul zulu and checked "use arm64 libraries of java" in the minecraft settings
@ZekeZDev is there a reason why microsoft disabled the ability to install gamepass games natively via prism? They did not even give us a setting to enable it.
3:44:00 BeamNG drive is a full car simulator, simulating every element on the car, and you can change out basically every component and make full custom configs, it also simulates stuff like rally racing, traffic, and many other things, and has a huge modding community that makes maps and cars for it, really cool once you get into it. edit: timestamp
Linus, you said it best. You will get bored way before we do. As a fellow member of the ADHD club, I have gotten bored with so many TH-cam channels that I will revisit from time to time, but they don't really get my views once I leave. You have managed to keep someone like me engaged since I discovered you through a scrap yard wars search (clearly hunting for the actual junk/scrapyard wars) many years ago. I built my first computer in years since the death of Maximum PC because of you. This would make sense if I was a tech guy or an IT pro, but I'm a carpenter with a passion for old cars and only a hobby in tech. Your team has managed to captivate a huge audience due to the ability to keep things fresh and not run ideas into the ground. Your channel is like a good book that allows a main character to die at the height of popularity while investing enough interest in the supporting characters to keep things fresh.
I agree with your comments. I start on a page and it fizzles out. I used to work in IT many years ago but that was an old career. I have an Xbox but barely play. I have no need for a PC yet I find LTT content keeps me coming back, even tho I’m not up on all the new PC/laptop/networking tech.
Bwahahhaha. The printer bit is the funniest shit I've seen in a long time. Welcome to real world technical support. Not those kind of questions you have during your mystery shopper series
for the gmod test, honestly gmod is almost impossible to test properly due to how weird it is. ive seen people get super inconsistent fps/horrible fps even with really high spec pcs, mainly depends on the server. maybe for proper testing again it would be better to get a list of specific servers to play on instead of just a random one cause the one you guys used seemed like it just had wayyy too much plugins for how basic it was, even considering how much you often need for the most basic gamemodes in gmod
Thanks for the video. I hope the windows translation layer gets better, gets more gpu cores so windows gaming on arm becomes more viable. That makes Linux on Arm and gaming on a Fedora ARM system is more possible.
Beamng is the coolest game ever, i have been playing it for years. you find your own fun, you can realistically modify your car with realistic consequences, and the driving and handling physics are also really good, you have to be a car guy to find it fun i think.
Beamng is hands down the best driving simulation. Not the best racing simulator just because of its limitations (timing, pit stops, tracks, etc.) but if you want to drive a car then there's no other choice.
@@Nereosis16 I really doubt it's the best driving simulator, since it doesn't purely focus on that unlike most driving simulators, but it's definitely the best all-round car simulator.
@@antonioytmExcept Android has some PC games like Asphalt 9, Minecraft Java (PojavLauncher), and has work apps like Office, Word, etc. This challenge would be interesting.
@@antonioytm By your comments I can tell you have no idea of the potential of dex. I use for work as a teacher and it is the greatest way to work on multitasking on android.
Honestly I’m excited to see how this develops, once the name isn’t garbage and gaming is mostly supported I’m thinking of actually getting one. I wonder if Qualcomm chips can be paired with discrete GPU’s as that legit might be my next laptop or tablet.
@@juser-abuser that would be interesting, that would actually help software support for the new chips increase, and give options for future discrete gpus.
Really enjoyed this stream VoD, just like with the Arc stuff last time! Would love to see y'all do this again when Arc Battlemage comes out later this year, maybe a three-way performance battle where which card is chosen is based purely on price for that Price/Performance face off!
This has to be one of the longest videos i have ever watched from beggining to the end...although not in one sitting but in like 3. Realy entertaining and enjoyable. Fun to see what the new ARM based chips can do in Windows and what games they can and they can not play. Looking forward for a follow up video on this topic in a few months, after drivers have beem improved. Maybe they will get a 100% score on Snapdragon Elite? :)
eGPU combability test would be nice. Though it might be that no GPU has WinARM drivers, which may make the effort moot. If you find a combination what works (esp. with AI perspective), I will buy the one.
Can you guys do this for productivity tools as well please? Not sure if there are any benchmarks for excel / word. Also, I want to see how the dev tools work on snapdragon.
The other great thing about BeamNG is if you have the game Automation - you can build cars in Automation , export them to BeamNG - and the drive your creations.
2:48:58 Same thing happened in Halo MCC's Reach, in the mission where you pilot a spaceship. If you have the game running at high framerates, the AI starts to play relentlessly.
Qualcomm getting into the laptop space is a very interesting move and one I see as lateral not vertical. I'm excited to see what's to come. This is extremely promising, especially on Windows...
The difference between Apple Silicon and Qualcomm is that on Qualcomm games failed to run because of Qualcomm/Microsoft’s own bad software not functioning as it should, on Apple Silicon it is third party developers who are not writing games for it or using emulation, all the software and graphics APIs by Apple themself works perfectly.
false. Apple Metal is shit. Many of the games need WINE + DXVK to run without virtualisation. But many games still won't run properly with WINE. So they need to run in virtualised Windows. For virtualisation, it's all Microsoft's own software that is doing the job. So blaming Microsoft for things not running is kinda stupid when Microsoft made things work on the Mac.
@@howardlam6181 You’re wrong, dxvk and wine are not requirements to write games for Mac, they are workarounds which developers use when they can’t be bothered to write natively.
DXVK is not an alternative to Metal, it’s a translator which converts DirectX into Metal for developers who can’t be bothered to write for Metal natively. Metal itself works perfectly, when games don’t work properly on Mac it’s not Metal which is broken, it’s the third party games and translation layers made by other companies which is broken, whereas on the X Elite the thing which is broken is Microsoft Windows and the graphics drivers itself, even if a third party perfectly programmed their game to run on Windows it doesn’t work, on the other hand any game which ran perfectly on an Intel Mac will also run without any bugs or artefacts on an Apple Silicon Mac.
@@howardlam6181 D3DMetal is just another translation layer like DXVK, it's not a requirement and all my above points about DXVK also apply to D3DMetal. D3DMetal is probably better than DXVK in many situations, but the clue is in the name, D3DMetal converts DirectX 3D to Metal.
Been playing games on Windows ARM for years now. Through an M1 MacBook Pro almost everything runs flawless. Microsoft emulation function is very good. So this isn’t new for me to see but it is interesting to see performance of this chip.
this just proves ARM really can run games, even this early in the life of the new snapdragon chips, they support a great amount of games. I hope Apple is going to follow suit and allow for gaming on apple silicon in the nearest future.
I really wish LMG would stop perpetuating that Intel's Arc drivers 'aren't there yet'. No, they aren't perfect, but don't let perfection be the enemy of very good. The drivers have come a *VERY* long way thanks to a herculean effort by the Intel driver team to get their drivers in line with AMD/Nvidia. To be clear, this is asking a dev team to catch up on almost 30 years of DirectX version compatibilities and optimisations honed in driver sets. Also to be clear, their work is not yet done and every month we see another set of old and new games get major performance enhancements. They spend years moaning about lack of competition in the GPU space, BIG UP the competition then, don't squash it! We could all too easily slide back into the Duopoly we've endured for decades and Intel's GPU division (as it is separate) are not a guarentee if they don't get a fair shake. Disclosure: I came off Nvidia and went to Intel Arc with a 16GB A770 in October 2022, I have seen the full swing from very janky launch, to damn competitive in the low-mid end. It is not, by a long shot, a lost cause.
Really excited about the idea of this because lower heat output means higher headroom in the future. The PROBLEM is what I personally need in a laptop is one that can specifically run Ableton Live really well and they've already gone on record saying they have no current plans of making a Windows on Arm compatible version of their software. A big bummer.
@@ojayodon Yeah, but unfortunately Apple Silicon and Windows on ARM use different instruction sets even though they're both ARM cpus. I wouldn't think plugins would be a problem because most of what I'd be using it for would be backing tracks and midi automation. So mostly wav files and built-in midi. Unfortunately, FL Studio won't work for my use case.
@@Matthew_MBG nah man, those old arm chips were quite...crap. perhaps in usage to replace chromebook. but again, if MS had big brains they wouldnt be mindlessly putting money into AI
In terms of game compatibility and performance, I have two questions: 1. What were the performance profiles set to in Windows for both laptops? It would be unfair if one of the two laptops was running in "balanced" mode and the other one in "performance". 2. Were the preinstalled games on the external SSD for the x-elite installed using another arm based laptop? I'm afraid you guys ran everything under x86, forcing the x elite to emulate all games, even if a game has arm64 support.
If the games/software you use _isn't_ using DirectX 12, expect problems (MS is aggressively pushing for D12 as the *only* 3D accelerated API available. You can probably work around that by using shims and API emulation (See WINE)). Future chips or updates to the translator might fix the AVX2 problem.
1:10:18 Not gonna lie, that GPU Crash “Tower Game” is the coolest item I’ve ever seen from LTT Store. It would be so cool to pull out for LAN parties and casual get togethers. If it sells well, I would love to see more class party games / board games with PC hardware themes.
Something was weird with their setup. I tried banana at full screen at 2944x1840 and everything was instant and worked perfect on my Lenovo Slim 7x Snapdragon Elite
Would love to see people from ltt compete against eachother in 2 teams , like that TV show games master .. random game, random challenges. Eg first one to beat world 1 super mario bros 3. Winner gets random tech prize.
The precision screwdriver should comply with the Standard. Rather than going with the "Defacto" standard. I'd rather it be the Only good one on the market, rather than it to be subpar because everyone else did it wrong.
I always have that with VR, between steamVR, occulus, virtual desktop and all the mods I'm running there's so many layers that can mess up in so many ways. pretty much have to figure everything out if I haven't used it in a while
I'd be interested in a low power ARM laptop running android native, with touch screen, and a flip away keyboard so you could use it like a tablet. That would be great for android gaming.
Im excited for the future of ARM windows machines, I think for most non-gamers these laptops are a huge win. I'd love to see some value machines sub $1000 come around. Currently though, you can buy a Macbook Air for $849 which is honestly a great value. My new 14" M3 Pro 18gig is a beast for creative tasks on battery and just a very fine machine all around. This is coming from a decades long Apple hater. If we can get ARM windows machines with dedicated Nvidia graphics....ohhhh boy lets gooooo!
i just finished going through the Minecraft Install on Win 11 yesterday on my kids machines, had to install 3 items from Microsoft Store for "XBOX" related items before the Launcher could launch and install JAVA Minecraft properly.
Huh, weird. You _should_ (in theory) just need to go to the Minecraft website and download the launcher, but "should" and "does" unfortunately end up being very different words way too much of the time 🫠
Hello, wanted to point out that because of max surface temperatures, witch are regulated, laptops like asus' X Élite laptop outperform the Samsung Edge even while not mounting the top SKU, so it could be interesting to explore what's up with that
I think a WARNING might be needed here. Just as a reminder, that this is the 3rd iteration of Windows on ARM after Microsoft has dropped support for the 1st and 2nd generation of ARM devices within 2 years. Because the consumer acceptance was not there. So just be prepared before you invest in an uncertain product that currently does most things worse, except battery life.
I'm playing Elden Ring on my Macbook Air M1 through Windows translation layers thanks to Apple. Snapdragon can't even open it and Intel has worse FPS just in the menu screen than my Macbook's in game FPS rates. I'm not going to lie it sucks to play Elden Ring with terrible FPS on my Macbook. But if this is what Snapdragon can come up with, I'm gonna stick to M chips thank you.
it's a first gen product though. like the fact they can even come close to apple who's been in the PC and laptop business for decades now is not really a good showing for Apple if you ask me. and unlike apple they actually seem invested in native functionality of windows games on their chips.....
So,… If you were gonna start building your first PC for audio production with reaper and gaming, anytime soon, it sounds like you should not bother waiting for ARM chips and Motherboards. ??? I’d love some opinions on that. I prefer the MacOS to Windows and have been using both for years. PC at work and an iMac at home from music production.
-Timestamps, tl;dr below-
[0:00] *Chapters.*
[1:24] *Laptops used - Arc V.S. X Elite.*
> 1:58 Explaining why not using AMD.
> 2:41 LTTStore's GPU Crash Tower Game.
[3:26] *Sponsor - The Ridge.*
[4:30] *Game #1: Elden Ring.*
> 4:56 Linus on running Snapdragon's beta, no game modding or tweaks.
[6:47] *Game #2: Age of Empires 2 ft. Chewie replaces Dan.*
> 7:30 Both laptops show not having the right amount of VRAM.
> 8:14 Did Alex play AoE2 multiplayer before? ft. Linus suggests scoring, FPS.
> 14:26 Linus blames Dan, "WHAT AM I DOING HERE?!" - Dan 2k24.
> 17:02 Linus suggests another score, immediately "loses."
[17:34] *Game #3: Factorio.*
[22:28] *Game #4: DOOM (2016).*
> 24:22 Conflicting FPS reports, changing settings.
> 26:30 Alex has issues with settings, Linus on the stream's point.
[28:40] *Game #5: DOOM Eternal.*
> 28:58 What Linus is interested in with the X Elite.
> 30:04 Vulkan, Linus suggests one relaunch per game.
> 31:54 MM - Square bitsets? ft. Snapdragon & VRAM issues.
[33:42] *Game #6: Destiny 2.*
> 34:02 BattlEye, Linus on the zoomer lango, French.
> 36:06 Linus recites funny elections joke, drive swap, Pixel 8P's sensor.
[36:45] *Game #7: Deep Rock Galactic.*
[42:32] *Game #8: Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered ft. Linus logs out.*
> 43:28 MM - Smaller LTT backpack ETA release?
> 46:10 MM - eGPU solutions & compatibility in 2024?
> 48:16 Funny hair physics, visual artifacts & gameplay experience.
> 52:16 Game suggestions, downloading.
[55:26] *Game #9: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart.*
[58:07] *Game #10: Gigantic: Rampage Edition.*
> 59:02 Linus explains the stream, Alex on the hardware.
> 1:00:02 Alex on the installation & download game, gameplay experience.
[1:03:06] *Game #11: Garry's Mod.*
> 1:03:54 Neither Alex nor Linus played gmod, downloading assets.
> 1:07:02 MM - Best headset for VR monitors?
> 1:08:28 MM - Expecting a proper high-end GPU from AMD?
> 1:10:18 Linus on the cost of the GPU tower block, Alex & Linus play it.
> 1:13:41 MM - Standarized machines at LTT.
> 1:14:04 Dex, Uber drivers & shows,Top Gun in a Skyline, Alex plays gmod.
[1:25:01] *Game #12: Spitgate.*
> 1:25:38 MM - Qualcomm desktop ARM CPU?
[1:26:52] *Game #13: Farming Simulator 2022.*
[1:36:08] *Game #14: Tape to Tape.*
> 1:38:43 Alex suggests trying other stuff, HP printer, drawing & printing.
> 1:49:04 MM - What is one thing your SO took that you'll never get back?
[1:53:29] *Sponsor - The Ridge.*
[1:55:50] *Game #15: Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege.*
> 2:00:42 MM - Precision screwdriver update?
> 2:04:12 MM - Double layered bottom backpack ETA?
> 2:04:38 Struggling with UPlay, benchmark experience.
[2:10:22] *Game #16: Psychonauts.*
[2:11:30] *Game #17: Stardew Valley ft. EV sales.*
[2:16:12] *Game #18: Anno 1800.*
> 2:17:28 MM - Cargo pants update?
> 2:19:01 Linus's laptop is slow, Alex asks about performance setting.
> 2:20:12 Linus suggests a camera setting, gameplay experience.
> 2:23:38 Linus launches the game, walks Alex through the controls.
[2:26:08] *Game #19: Valheim.*
[2:28:18] *Game #20: Rocket League.*
> 2:27:29 Linus on the laptop's slowness, Valheim, RL's exclusivity.
> 2:31:08 Linus on Facebook acquiring Beat Saber and not failing.
> 2:32:26 Gameplay, Linus on changing a handheld's resolution.
[2:38:15] *Game #21: Crysis (2007).*
> 2:39:54 MM - How powerful will the Nintendo handheld be? ft. Oliver naps.
> 2:41:41 Alex believes Qualcomm thought of Crysis, YT & FP chat.
> 2:45:06 MM - What LTTStore product collab you want to see?
> 2:46:38 Gameplay, Alex on OLED burn-in, Linus on Far Cry's AI tick rate.
> 2:50:12 Different brightness, Linus & Alex swap places.
[2:52:32] *Game #22: Cities: Skylines.*
> 2:57:34 Benchmark experience.
[3:00:21] *Game #23: Fallout: New Vegas.*
[3:04:48] *Game #24: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Special Edition.*
> 3:07:26 Linus on the FPS range.
[3:08:10] *Game #25: Street Fighter 6.*
> 3:08:32 Gamed failed count, Linus's expectation, gameplay experience.
[3:17:02] *Game #26: Halo MCC & Infinite.
[3:18:56] *Game #27: Helldivers 2.*
[3:19:52] *Game #28: Cyberpunk 2077.*
> 3:21:22 Arc runs Helldivers 2.
> 3:21:48 MM - Are the flannels coming back? ft. Alex on pockets.
> 3:23:36 Settings, Alex on resolution problems, Linus on game suggestions.
[3:27:44] *Game #29: Grand Theft Auto V.*
> 3:29:12 Linus on the many game launchers.
> 3:31:26 Linus recalls GTA V's settings for reviews, bricked laptop.
[3:33:16] *Game #30: Team Fortress 2.*
[3:36:52] *Game #31: BeamNG.*
[3:46:10] *Game #32: 7 Days to Die.*
[3:46:35] *Game #33: The Jackbox Party Pack 7.*
> 3:47:12 Disabling AC on 7 Days, to end with Minecraft.
> 3:49:08 Alex launches Jackbox 7, asks people to join.
[3:52:20] *Game #34: Minecraft: Java Edition.*
> 3:52:46 Linus on the password lockout, Alex on Jackbox answers.
> 3:54:21 Linus tries to recover Microsoft account.
> 3:54:55 MM - Plans to branch out like this again?
> 3:56:34 Alex boots up Minecraft: Bedrock Edition.
> 3:58:12 Minecraft Launcher issues.
[4:01:26] *Sponsor - The Ridge.*
> 4:01:52 Chase installs Java & Minecraft ARM.
> 4:06:00 Linus is locked out of his hotmail, thoughts on Bedrock.
[4:10:42] *Game #35: Banana ft. Most intense gameplay in the history of LTT.*
[4:13:26] *Final thoughts.*
*-:Tl;dr:-*
*Passed*
AoE II: DE, Factorio, DOOM (2016), Deep RG, Gigantic: RE, Garry's Mod, Farming Sim 22, Rainbow 6 Siege, Stardew Valley, Anno 1800, Rocket League, Crysis (2007), Cities Skylines, Skyrim, Street Fighter 6, BeamNG, Jackbox 7, Minecraft: Bedrock Edition.
*Failed*
Elden Ring, DOOM Eternal, Destiny 2, R&C: Rift Apart, Marvel's Spider-Man RMSTD, Splitgate, Tape to Tape, Psychonauts, Valheim, Fallout: New Vegas, Halo MCC, Halo Inf, Helldivers 2, Cyberpunk 2077, GTA V, TF2, 7 Days to Die.
Side note: donations are in my channel's about page. c:
Man you have the Dedication
You mad brain. Appreciate all your job man.
botj are same computer?
Thank you good sir.
Do Baldur's gate 3 Run Expectedly like demonstration was??
Regarding Minecraft Java on the Snapdragon X at 4:03:22
I am one of the Prism Launcher Maintainers, Prism Launcher 9.0 should completely fix this issue out of the box as we will be moving to an automatic Java system. No more need to manually download! This will match Java versions and Minecraft Versions and automatically download the correct version for the architecture (in this case windows arm).
For now though it should be possible to get Prism Launcher 8.4 working. I noticed you resorted to the x86 java version, adoptium does not yet have a release for windows arm unfortunately when it does it will likely be listed under AArch64 instead of just ARM (like it is currently for linux arm). Microsoft and Azul Zulu already ship a java 17 and 21 build for ARM 64bit. I would be curious if it runs on this device using the ARM64 version of java. Its unfortunate the x86 version didn't run through the Microsoft prism compatibility layer (not to be confused with us), id be curious to know what went wrong but I cant say I know enough about it yet.
Unfortunately though for Legacy and Minecraft 1.8.9 players I have been unable to find any Windows for ARM Java 8 builds as of yet. I expect that Azul Zulu might soon as they have a Java 8 version for Mac M1 and linux ARM 64, but cant say for certain.
I have minecraft working on my x elite laptop with the arm64 version of java. It gets me 120fps+ on the default settings (graphics fancy, render distance, etc.) You can install the windows 8 version of the minecraft launcher and for some reason that makes it install. Got the arm64 libraries from azul zulu and checked "use arm64 libraries of java" in the minecraft settings
@@neerajahluwalia5512 good to hear, in that case I doubt we would have any issues on the Prism Launcher side either.
Java, being Java, I think you can get older versions to work with new Java versions as well.
@ZekeZDev is there a reason why microsoft disabled the ability to install gamepass games natively via prism? They did not even give us a setting to enable it.
IIRC when Microsoft ports Java to Windows ARM they only did 11 and 16+. 8 Might need some work still.
3:44:00 BeamNG drive is a full car simulator, simulating every element on the car, and you can change out basically every component and make full custom configs, it also simulates stuff like rally racing, traffic, and many other things, and has a huge modding community that makes maps and cars for it, really cool once you get into it.
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Yep can confirm
exactly, it was painful to watch.
I totally agree! Was pretty sad seeing them not know about everything there is in the game.
*3:44:00
I spent hundreds of hours in there just to customize the car and try to drive it. The best game ever for me.
Really can’t wait for the video where Linus and another LTT staff member does windows on ARM for 30 days.
Better be a great paycheck considering the productivity loss with things not working.
@@Agent_ClarkI’ve been running mine now for a week with no problems whatsoever
Linux on arm? 🧐
For work it will be totally fine, since 99% of those are just websites anyway.
It'll mostly be gaming...
@@shApYT Windows
Minecraft has such a broad and casual target audience, and yet it is one of the most confusing and convoluted things to install and play.
Vague memories of frustrated nights trying to get *hamachi*** to work and start a server to play with friends..
It is a Microsoft product.
The java version, yeah. The Bedrock version basically does everything for you, it almost uses your card to buy Mine coins for you!
Now it’s good buddy on 2012 it’s was bad and I mean very bad
@Vacated204 hitachi....? surely you mean hamachi :)
Linus, you said it best. You will get bored way before we do. As a fellow member of the ADHD club, I have gotten bored with so many TH-cam channels that I will revisit from time to time, but they don't really get my views once I leave. You have managed to keep someone like me engaged since I discovered you through a scrap yard wars search (clearly hunting for the actual junk/scrapyard wars) many years ago. I built my first computer in years since the death of Maximum PC because of you. This would make sense if I was a tech guy or an IT pro, but I'm a carpenter with a passion for old cars and only a hobby in tech. Your team has managed to captivate a huge audience due to the ability to keep things fresh and not run ideas into the ground. Your channel is like a good book that allows a main character to die at the height of popularity while investing enough interest in the supporting characters to keep things fresh.
Oh SH UT UP. Nobody loves ME, so we should all be talking about ME
i really feel your comment. The analogue to a dying main charater at its height is great.
@@FabiVoltair thanks.
I agree with your comments. I start on a page and it fizzles out. I used to work in IT many years ago but that was an old career. I have an Xbox but barely play. I have no need for a PC yet I find LTT content keeps me coming back, even tho I’m not up on all the new PC/laptop/networking tech.
Bwahahhaha. The printer bit is the funniest shit I've seen in a long time. Welcome to real world technical support. Not those kind of questions you have during your mystery shopper series
"If I ask for something. It's approved" -Linus
that sounded badass lol
for the gmod test, honestly gmod is almost impossible to test properly due to how weird it is. ive seen people get super inconsistent fps/horrible fps even with really high spec pcs, mainly depends on the server. maybe for proper testing again it would be better to get a list of specific servers to play on instead of just a random one cause the one you guys used seemed like it just had wayyy too much plugins for how basic it was, even considering how much you often need for the most basic gamemodes in gmod
Thanks for the video. I hope the windows translation layer gets better, gets more gpu cores so windows gaming on arm becomes more viable. That makes Linux on Arm and gaming on a Fedora ARM system is more possible.
Beamng is the coolest game ever, i have been playing it for years. you find your own fun, you can realistically modify your car with realistic consequences, and the driving and handling physics are also really good, you have to be a car guy to find it fun i think.
I love beam, I don't even care that much about the destruction physics, it's just such an amazing vehicle sandbox
Beamng is hands down the best driving simulation. Not the best racing simulator just because of its limitations (timing, pit stops, tracks, etc.) but if you want to drive a car then there's no other choice.
@@Nereosis16 I really doubt it's the best driving simulator, since it doesn't purely focus on that unlike most driving simulators, but it's definitely the best all-round car simulator.
I'd love to see a 30 day video challenge on Samsung DeX
Useless.. it just "transforms" your phone into chromebook
@@antonioytmExcept Android has some PC games like Asphalt 9, Minecraft Java (PojavLauncher), and has work apps like Office, Word, etc. This challenge would be interesting.
@@antonioytm By your comments I can tell you have no idea of the potential of dex. I use for work as a teacher and it is the greatest way to work on multitasking on android.
Honestly I’m excited to see how this develops, once the name isn’t garbage and gaming is mostly supported I’m thinking of actually getting one. I wonder if Qualcomm chips can be paired with discrete GPU’s as that legit might be my next laptop or tablet.
I wonder if we'll get a desktop Snapdragon rather than a impaired and gay laptop edition
@@juser-abuser that would be interesting, that would actually help software support for the new chips increase, and give options for future discrete gpus.
Really enjoyed this stream VoD, just like with the Arc stuff last time! Would love to see y'all do this again when Arc Battlemage comes out later this year, maybe a three-way performance battle where which card is chosen is based purely on price for that Price/Performance face off!
This has to be one of the longest videos i have ever watched from beggining to the end...although not in one sitting but in like 3. Realy entertaining and enjoyable.
Fun to see what the new ARM based chips can do in Windows and what games they can and they can not play.
Looking forward for a follow up video on this topic in a few months, after drivers have beem improved. Maybe they will get a 100% score on Snapdragon Elite? :)
No Runescape? i'm disappointed in you chat
run escape
My smart toaster can play RS
Can confirm it runs RuneScape
eGPU combability test would be nice. Though it might be that no GPU has WinARM drivers, which may make the effort moot. If you find a combination what works (esp. with AI perspective), I will buy the one.
Linus don't knowing BeamNG is crazy
Can you guys do this for productivity tools as well please? Not sure if there are any benchmarks for excel / word.
Also, I want to see how the dev tools work on snapdragon.
already all has arm version not problem
Linus, just like Winamp really whipped that llama's ass.
The other great thing about BeamNG is if you have the game Automation - you can build cars in Automation , export them to BeamNG - and the drive your creations.
I can't believe Alex Snapdragon and Linus Intel did a collab together 🙏
Nice to see that printers are problematic for every level of tech expert 😄
That new driver seems to have helped.
AOE2 for the win! At a high level red bull wololo comp they travel to a real castle to play in a period correct attire/environment
2:48:58 Same thing happened in Halo MCC's Reach, in the mission where you pilot a spaceship. If you have the game running at high framerates, the AI starts to play relentlessly.
Suggestion for next challenge: Which games will run on Linux on ARM? Extra points if you have to install them with a disk drive.
Is there a comparable solution for running x86_64 on AArch64 on Linux? Does it mesh well with Wine?
Qualcomm getting into the laptop space is a very interesting move and one I see as lateral not vertical. I'm excited to see what's to come. This is extremely promising, especially on Windows...
3:14 that game is a Linus Drop Tips simulator
The difference between Apple Silicon and Qualcomm is that on Qualcomm games failed to run because of Qualcomm/Microsoft’s own bad software not functioning as it should, on Apple Silicon it is third party developers who are not writing games for it or using emulation, all the software and graphics APIs by Apple themself works perfectly.
false. Apple Metal is shit. Many of the games need WINE + DXVK to run without virtualisation. But many games still won't run properly with WINE. So they need to run in virtualised Windows. For virtualisation, it's all Microsoft's own software that is doing the job. So blaming Microsoft for things not running is kinda stupid when Microsoft made things work on the Mac.
@@howardlam6181 You’re wrong, dxvk and wine are not requirements to write games for Mac, they are workarounds which developers use when they can’t be bothered to write natively.
DXVK is not an alternative to Metal, it’s a translator which converts DirectX into Metal for developers who can’t be bothered to write for Metal natively.
Metal itself works perfectly, when games don’t work properly on Mac it’s not Metal which is broken, it’s the third party games and translation layers made by other companies which is broken, whereas on the X Elite the thing which is broken is Microsoft Windows and the graphics drivers itself, even if a third party perfectly programmed their game to run on Windows it doesn’t work, on the other hand any game which ran perfectly on an Intel Mac will also run without any bugs or artefacts on an Apple Silicon Mac.
@@Rosameliazhere Look, I clearly meant D3DMetal bruh
@@howardlam6181 D3DMetal is just another translation layer like DXVK, it's not a requirement and all my above points about DXVK also apply to D3DMetal. D3DMetal is probably better than DXVK in many situations, but the clue is in the name, D3DMetal converts DirectX 3D to Metal.
Love just watching these guys nerd out over computer shit like this live
is this the rare 60fps LTT video? i love it
Play Rocksmith, I want to see Linus shred
S15... As a car enthusiast, I started dreaming about an S15 again, thanks Linus ❤
The mouse movement in FS22 is mimicking the real life joystick fork controls
Linus - "I believe. I believe."
My brain and, I assume, Everyone - "Grab the glory! All the way to victory! All the WAY! ..."
Been playing games on Windows ARM for years now. Through an M1 MacBook Pro almost everything runs flawless. Microsoft emulation function is very good. So this isn’t new for me to see but it is interesting to see performance of this chip.
Linus and Luke trying to run Crysis without C1-launcher... priceless XD
I love these game testing streams
this looks way better than the normal 60fps you guys do
Right? I think it's the gimbal movements that constantly remind our eyes that it's 60fps lol
this just proves ARM really can run games, even this early in the life of the new snapdragon chips, they support a great amount of games. I hope Apple is going to follow suit and allow for gaming on apple silicon in the nearest future.
I really wish LMG would stop perpetuating that Intel's Arc drivers 'aren't there yet'. No, they aren't perfect, but don't let perfection be the enemy of very good. The drivers have come a *VERY* long way thanks to a herculean effort by the Intel driver team to get their drivers in line with AMD/Nvidia. To be clear, this is asking a dev team to catch up on almost 30 years of DirectX version compatibilities and optimisations honed in driver sets. Also to be clear, their work is not yet done and every month we see another set of old and new games get major performance enhancements.
They spend years moaning about lack of competition in the GPU space, BIG UP the competition then, don't squash it! We could all too easily slide back into the Duopoly we've endured for decades and Intel's GPU division (as it is separate) are not a guarentee if they don't get a fair shake.
Disclosure: I came off Nvidia and went to Intel Arc with a 16GB A770 in October 2022, I have seen the full swing from very janky launch, to damn competitive in the low-mid end. It is not, by a long shot, a lost cause.
Can it run crysis?
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Really excited about the idea of this because lower heat output means higher headroom in the future. The PROBLEM is what I personally need in a laptop is one that can specifically run Ableton Live really well and they've already gone on record saying they have no current plans of making a Windows on Arm compatible version of their software. A big bummer.
works well on my macbook pro, do you use live instruments / mixing with third party plugins. FL 21 Crack is perfect for me as well..
@@ojayodon Yeah, but unfortunately Apple Silicon and Windows on ARM use different instruction sets even though they're both ARM cpus. I wouldn't think plugins would be a problem because most of what I'd be using it for would be backing tracks and midi automation. So mostly wav files and built-in midi. Unfortunately, FL Studio won't work for my use case.
Hoyoverse probably are working on ARM version of their game. They already release Honkai Impact 3rd, Hoyoverse older game for MacOs
Linus and Alex are literally being dads when talking about Gen Z slangs 🤌🏼
Using an Arc Laptop as the stable Windows alternative is kinda stacking the Deck in Qualcomms favor
I heard that dev kits for these chips weren’t given out a year before launch
Still not out
Yet, things are somehow running. Is MS had a bit more brain than the AI they are investing in, they could have had this launch flawless. Smh.
@@ark_knight They *had* to get it it out ASAP to compete with Apple Silicon.
And Apple got Apple Silicon good enough on the first go.
@@ark_knightProbably with old ARM chips
@@Matthew_MBG nah man, those old arm chips were quite...crap. perhaps in usage to replace chromebook. but again, if MS had big brains they wouldnt be mindlessly putting money into AI
When Snapdragon X on framework?
I fricken love Dan's comments about the pause button in elden ring 😂
Rollercoaster Tycoon.
Good fucking luck
RCT 1 and 2 run pretty well on Windows ARM. Also the open source version OpenRCT2 runs on literally anything.
In terms of game compatibility and performance, I have two questions:
1. What were the performance profiles set to in Windows for both laptops? It would be unfair if one of the two laptops was running in "balanced" mode and the other one in "performance".
2. Were the preinstalled games on the external SSD for the x-elite installed using another arm based laptop? I'm afraid you guys ran everything under x86, forcing the x elite to emulate all games, even if a game has arm64 support.
So we are a very long way off yet, if ever to running the software I use every day.
If the games/software you use _isn't_ using DirectX 12, expect problems (MS is aggressively pushing for D12 as the *only* 3D accelerated API available. You can probably work around that by using shims and API emulation (See WINE)).
Future chips or updates to the translator might fix the AVX2 problem.
linus, you should have done it once and then do the same while being unplugged and on battery. That would show who is the real winner
26:44 Instead changeing to vulkan ( he even had the cursor there ) he used opengl 4.5 , people even spammed in the chat "change to vulkan"
Honestly it did better than I expected it to.
The number of dad jokes his kids hear must be brutal. I hope they enjoy them!
4:30 I think you can add a steam launch option to disable Easy anti cheat without installing any mods to play Elden Ring
1:10:18 Not gonna lie, that GPU Crash “Tower Game” is the coolest item I’ve ever seen from LTT Store.
It would be so cool to pull out for LAN parties and casual get togethers.
If it sells well, I would love to see more class party games / board games with PC hardware themes.
The love and kindness in these comments is inspiring. Thank you!
Sea turtles don't have legs. Those were tortoises.
Something was weird with their setup. I tried banana at full screen at 2944x1840 and everything was instant and worked perfect on my Lenovo Slim 7x Snapdragon Elite
Would love to see people from ltt compete against eachother in 2 teams , like that TV show games master .. random game, random challenges. Eg first one to beat world 1 super mario bros 3. Winner gets random tech prize.
Poor Alex didn't get to show us his Valheim builds :D
God bless today. July 4th bb let's gooo
The precision screwdriver should comply with the Standard. Rather than going with the "Defacto" standard. I'd rather it be the Only good one on the market, rather than it to be subpar because everyone else did it wrong.
1:16.26 i love everything about this.
The fact it didn't start with Crysis or Doom is so disappointing.
Great classical demo of windows gaming where as soon as you try to do it with a friend nothing works 😂
I always have that with VR, between steamVR, occulus, virtual desktop and all the mods I'm running there's so many layers that can mess up in so many ways.
pretty much have to figure everything out if I haven't used it in a while
hell yeah now you guys will experience the satisfying crunch of their physics lol
I'd be interested in a low power ARM laptop running android native, with touch screen, and a flip away keyboard so you could use it like a tablet. That would be great for android gaming.
Advice: don't buy the snapdragon laptops until the second generation or even the third generation and that depends on how well arm support gets.
TY FOR THE WORK/PLAY
When you were playing Doom, there is Working and there is Playable
Im excited for the future of ARM windows machines, I think for most non-gamers these laptops are a huge win. I'd love to see some value machines sub $1000 come around. Currently though, you can buy a Macbook Air for $849 which is honestly a great value. My new 14" M3 Pro 18gig is a beast for creative tasks on battery and just a very fine machine all around. This is coming from a decades long Apple hater. If we can get ARM windows machines with dedicated Nvidia graphics....ohhhh boy lets gooooo!
i just finished going through the Minecraft Install on Win 11 yesterday on my kids machines, had to install 3 items from Microsoft Store for "XBOX" related items before the Launcher could launch and install JAVA Minecraft properly.
Get them Prism Launcher instead, then you can uninstall the Xbox rubbish
Huh, weird. You _should_ (in theory) just need to go to the Minecraft website and download the launcher, but "should" and "does" unfortunately end up being very different words way too much of the time 🫠
BeamNG ran really well I might actually consider snapdragon now tbh
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Hello, wanted to point out that because of max surface temperatures, witch are regulated, laptops like asus' X Élite laptop outperform the Samsung Edge even while not mounting the top SKU, so it could be interesting to explore what's up with that
Some of my favorite LTT videos
If you're cpu bound, lowering your graphics settings won't help unless you can lower the amount of objects/units on the screen or npcs, etc.
Its actually doing better than I thought.
Any plans to connect a thunderbolt eGPU to see how well the Snapdragon does as a supporting CPU?
There are no WinARM drivers currently available from any GPU vendor.
Regarding the Apple silicon pun: M3Pro runs Cyberpunk at 1440p, medium settings, FSR auto at 40-50fps using Crossover and CXPatcher...
Dark Rock Galactic makes me cry
Can we expect a Linux video for these laptops?
I think a WARNING might be needed here.
Just as a reminder, that this is the 3rd iteration of Windows on ARM after Microsoft has dropped support for the 1st and 2nd generation of ARM devices within 2 years. Because the consumer acceptance was not there.
So just be prepared before you invest in an uncertain product that currently does most things worse, except battery life.
*Not surprised TF2 didn't work. It's basically the boss of spaghetti code.*
I'm playing Elden Ring on my Macbook Air M1 through Windows translation layers thanks to Apple. Snapdragon can't even open it and Intel has worse FPS just in the menu screen than my Macbook's in game FPS rates. I'm not going to lie it sucks to play Elden Ring with terrible FPS on my Macbook. But if this is what Snapdragon can come up with, I'm gonna stick to M chips thank you.
it's a first gen product though. like the fact they can even come close to apple who's been in the PC and laptop business for decades now is not really a good showing for Apple if you ask me.
and unlike apple they actually seem invested in native functionality of windows games on their chips.....
i would like to see the sound comparations of the two machines, sorry i know is really picky.
No valhiem is honestly a deal breaker
Has anyone run Rimworld (preferably a large colony with some mods going)?
It is one of my most played games and sadly wasn't tested here.
Oliver is Snapdragon X powered, ran in low power mode and quit the game early
That feeling when people who spend time setting up computers try actually playing games :D
Did anyone else think that was the ancient symbol of the Aes Sedai?
id love to see you do the see the same but running linux on those laptops
That Pinball game that came with Windows 95.
So,… If you were gonna start building your first PC for audio production with reaper and gaming, anytime soon, it sounds like you should not bother waiting for ARM chips and Motherboards. ???
I’d love some opinions on that.
I prefer the MacOS to Windows and have been using both for years.
PC at work and an iMac at home from music production.
hoi4 at max settings at the date 2100 and the tno mod,challenge: must be running at max speed and 60 fps
You can set MCC to install all the games or just the games you want right through steam