I always loved the twist reveal of Eris' grand plan. She didnt steal the book to enact some magical, primordial chaos on the world; she did it because she knew it would kick off a series of events that would culminate in Syracuse losing its rightful heir, thereby creating the much more real chaos of political unrest and power struggles. It might not make much of a difference to some but I always thought this was brilliant; magical chaos might bring people together to unite against it, but civil turmoil will guarantee a kingdom collapsing into chaos.
Ikr! This and her last bet that Sinbad wasn't sincere when he stepped on the bridge to the book - in the end when he comes back to Syracuse it reveals to us that SHE WAS BLUFFING! OMG! She didn't know for 100 percent that he wasn't going to go back to save Proteus's life! I love it. She was just manipulating and bluffing with such an aplomb 😂
I’ve heard this movie criticized for having an overly simplistic villain, but I actually liked her a lot. Sure she doesn’t have the softer side that a lot of people want in a modern villain, but she sets the Tone Well! So many shows/movies utterly fail to do that, but she did it!
Exactly, besides she’s the GODDESS of discourse, her whole thing is inciting war and chaos wherever and whenever she can, this isn’t something she only does when she’s in a bad mood, this is something she does all the time, sure it’s kinda one dimensional, but she wouldn’t be the Goddess of discourse if she was handing out mercy during lunchtime
It’s odd people would say that because if you observe her mannerisms, the way she speaks, the way she presents herself and schemes, she isn’t a simple villain. She’s simply true to her intentions and embodies her genuine essence which is goddess of discord. I find her quite complex because she doesn’t simply smite humans out of sheer anger or vanity. She does because she has an agenda and analyses the people she chooses to harm directly. At least in this film.
Can we all appreciate that they got a goddess who actually qualifies as a villain in the actual mythology? Unlike how Hollywood always portrays Hades as a villain even though he’s actually something of a good guy as far as gods go.
@@aurumvale9908 I know right? Everyone just assumes that just because Hades is the Lord of the Dead and he has a monstrous 3 headed dog that automatically means he’s evil and all the gods are good.
Disney did Hades dirty. Out of all the Olympians, Hades is the most compassionate and loyal of the Gods. Especially when it comes to his love Persephone. If they actually fallowed the actual myth, it was Hera who cursed Alcaeus and changing his name to Heracles (Hercules is the Romanize name). Hera and King Augeas would have made an amazing villain duo with them scheming how to make Heracles life miserable with forces him to do the 12 labors.
@@RicardoPerez-rz8pu Eris in this movie is a combination of two characters from Greek mythology. Firstly there is the primordial deity of Chaos. The entity from which all life and the first primordial entities in Greek emerged and all life with eventually return to Chaos. It is a being that stands above even Zeus and the Olympians and is the only true all powerful entity in Greek myths. Secondly her name comes from Eris the personification of strife in Greek myth. In Greek she is suppose to be the daughter of Nyx the primordial entity who rules the night and is one of the first children of Chaos. So Eris in Greek is the grand daughter of Chaos. However in Homers Roman version she is the sister of Ares meaning she would be one of the daughters of Zeus in Homers version.
This movie is an underestimated classic. The animation is gorgeous (Eris' hair is mesmerizing) , the characters are fun and engaging, the voice acting is top notch. I think the only problem the movie has is the pacing, I can remember it in segments but can remember little of the order it goes in.
Given that they only went on the journey bc of the Goddess of CHAOS and DISorder, i feel like that fits tbh. That being said do you think it should've been longer?
@@lunaathena9036 they could have done more yeah, that would have been fun if they filled out more, but obviously you can't go on to long before the audience loses interest
People underestimate Eris SEVERELY. She’s the GODDESS of discord, if she really wanted to she could just plunge the entire world into chaos. However, she doesn’t because she enjoys the strategy aspect of causing catastrophes. Additionally she’s so threatening BECAUSE she’s perfectly calm, to her this is a game that she’s won time and time again. Edit: Wow this comment really lived a life of its own. In response to one big claim I heard, it is true that Eris would be under Zeus’ jurisdiction and she isn’t primordial chaos, she represents more of human conflict based chaos such as the fall of a kingdom, civil war, arguments, riots, the Trojan war, etc… We shouldn’t assume that just because she’s under Zeus that she couldn’t just plunge the world into chaos, I mean gods and titans have been radically altering the entire universe consistently in their stories and while she probably wouldn’t get far she could possibly start several wars before she’d be stopped and as humans we’re known to start and drag out conflicts until we’ve killed half of our forces doing so.
Part of me thinks she does this sort of thing precisely so that a chaos factor like Sinbad might ruin her plans, which would give her an extra kick out of it. Otherwise, there's no reason she'd give him a second chance to go back to Syracuse to prove her wrong. She could tell whether Sinbad is lying to himself after all.
@@germsspices Yeah she’s playing the game on a whole other level I mean in real world mythology she single handedly started the Trojan War and all she did was plop an apple on a dinner table.
The fact that she doesn’t deliberately induce chaos is because she knows it wouldn’t be chaos if it’s forced/designed, it wouldn’t be chaos per say because it was directly ‘controlled’. She wants the wild/unpredictable chaotic factors of variables, that can toss her plans like a chaotic salad, which is why she doesn’t just ‘stop’ Sinbad, she enjoys the ‘unpredictability’ he brings to her design.
Something that I love about this scene is both the way Eris asked her question Sinbad, because she already knew that Sinbad would lie about not going back to Syracuse, and at the moment, even Sinbad knew he wouldn't keep his word, even though he said he would go back. But the real twist is learning that Sinbad defied Eris's prediction and went back to die, which means despite his initial act of selfishness by lying in the face of a literal deity, he then went and defied her by doing the one thing she never expected. He became a hero in the end even though he's a thief and a criminal.
She would have said he was lying either way. Think about it. If he is lying, her plan works and she gets her chaotic victory. If he's telling the truth, she doesn't just take his word for it. He has to prove he'd do it. She thinks he won't do it and essentially tries to call his bluff. Either way, her only answer would be to say he was lying if he said he'd go back. She didn't need a contingency if he said he wouldn't go back because she knew that he wouldn't say that in front of Marina because that would make her hate him. BOOM.
@@leekit8951 You're the only person who could actually make that explanation more confusing than before. You saw how Eris reacted when Sinbad went back to die. She thought he was genuinely lying when he said he would go back. He even believed her, because he knows what kind of person he is, and the kinds of things he's done in order to get through life. Lie, cheat, steal, and kill. So, why in the world would he actually believe himself when he said he would go back? That is what made it so dramatic when he did go back, because he finally did the one thing that not even he believed he would do: He went back to Syracuse and he defended his best friend and was fully ready to die in order to make up for the things he's done. Everyone was telling him who he was and what he was, so by going back, he proved them all wrong.
@@nateborie6329 Right. I was just saying that Eris would have said that he was lying no matter what. Despite her preconceptions of his character, he did ultimately choose to be honest with himself and that was the unexpected part. You're right. Eris did not expect him to do that at all.
Eris is one of the best baddies out there this scene is full of so much gravitas. The part where she asks sinbad her question is immersive. I just love it
There is so much grace, elegance, and confidence in her, fully utilizing her feminine wiles. I do like a butchy, masculine female villain, but I still prefer the seductive, feminine female villains more, because they take full advantage of their assets, too.
I love 2:03; Eris, who floats around as if she's intangible and has half her body turned into smoke, suddenly reminds you that she can be as solid and heavy as she wants whenever she wants. She could have sent Marina into Sinbad with telekinesis, or controlling the environment or something, but just flicking her with sheer physical strength while still being half-ethereal works so much better for reminding you that this is not a faerie, or a witch, or an evil spirit, this is a GODDESS.
Far more than that, she's the goddess of strife and discord, therefore chaos. In a bit of a crossover, there was a god of chaos and the desert (and of foreigners) in ancient Egypt, Seth.
@@Tounushi for the greeks the Chaos would be even more powerful than seth because for them it was the oldest thing that existed before the creation of the world
yeah, she do really give that vibe of all-power you'll expect from a god. You get the feeling that she could do whatever she want. You get the feeling that you can't stop her. Not a powerful surhuman whom powers are limited to lightning.
What I love is that Eris just don't care if her plan works or not. For her it's like playing poker. She was bored so she decided to play around a little. I bet if she was actually serious about she would have won and noone could've stop her. I think this movie perfectly captured how the greek gods don't care about how their little games effect people. For humans it was a catastrophic event for her it was like gambling a little.
What about the hissy fit she threw when Sinbad came back to give his life for Proteus? “How dare you? Everything was going just perfect and now you do THIS!!!” I don’t think she accepts defeat well at all.
@lukasmiller486 to her its just a game, she lost the gamble on this game so shes angry, just like how humans get angry when they lose a bet or a game of chance
Eris (at least this version of her) is among my most favorite villainous characters, becuz she left such an impression on me when I first watched this movie. Her animation, her design, her character, her voice! Everything about her drew me in like a moth to a flame. Michelle Pfeiffer voiced Eris so beautifully, she should have been commended for such excellent voice-acting! The depiction of Eris was equally impressive, in the way she moved like smoke, her mannerisms, how she interacted with others and the environment and also her manipulations! As this clip showed, her true motivation to framing Sinbad for her theft of the Book of Peace was to prompt Proteus take Sinbad's place, as she predicted Sinbad would run, Proteus would die in his place, and Syracuse would enter a state of chaos with the death of their crown prince! The way she analyzed Sinbad and Proteus was spot-on that it left Sinbad speechless, and Eris was almost proven right about him being a selfish scoundrel, and the only reason he didn't run (at first, at least) was becuz Marina paid Sinbad to recover the Book. Then she plays this mind-game with them, putting Sinbad on the spot of doing the right thing and dying for it or doing the wrong thing and living with the woman he had grown to love and abandon his childhood friend to his death. When it seemed all was lost and Eris accused him of lying, Sinbad proved otherwise by his actions in returning to save Proteus and accept execution, thus proving Eris wrong and winning the game she had tried to manipulate Altho she was angry to lose, Eris kept her word (tho she technically had to) and instead of taking revenge for her "embarrassment" she simply ho-hum'd her loss tho she gave a subtle warning to Sinbad that he not push his luck, and simply ta'd everyone before vanishing to continue her divine role in bringing chaos to the world It was all a magnificent performance and so beautifully executed, especially in the behavior of Eris as a goddess
That’s pretty much a recurrence with Greek deities. They are not exempt from the laws and superstitions of the universe. Even if they are immortal and stronger than humans, if they swear an oath they have to follow through. I’m glad they actually got a deity that’s accurate to how they were portrayed in mythology, and that deities are bound to the promises they make. Eris is pretty much just like her mythology depiction - just exists to create as much chaos and discord as she pleases.
@@yamato6114 I'm also glad it didnt end with them killing her. So many movies where a god is a the bad guy end with them defeating said god ina big fight to the death. This felt like an actual godly presence. Where mortals could not kill her, and just had to be carefull in how they played her game. They won, this time. She still doing her thing though. As gods in these stories should.
I think there’s an extra irony Eris enjoys about this in that Syracuse was going to fall in chaos because they are so hellbent on following their rules. Their rules state that the alleged criminal must die for the theft. The CLEARLY INNOCENT PRINCE takes their place. They could easily just overrule and be like “welp, the thief ended up running but executing OUR FUCKING PRINCE would just be a bad move for everybody.” But they DON’T. Because they have to follow their ORDER. Eris must find that so hilarious.
@Ramhell - One could argue that she’s basic because she’s not as sympathetic as modern day villains today. Her motivations are simple; she’s bored and sowing chaos is her primary objective and concept and that’s it. She doesn’t have any layers beyond that. But she still makes up for it by being a schemer, having a way with words and having ALOT of fun being the way that she is.
The thing I've always loved about Eris... and I'm not sure if it's intentional or not on the animator's part... but the fact that her eyes are further apart than normal, and her right eye becomes off-set at times. Extremely fitting for a goddess of chaos to look so normal, yet so chaotic, at the same time.
I believe it's intentional done, are you familiar with Strabismus of Venus? a slight off set eye draws the viewer even more in the gaze of the goodness, making it even more beautifull
This makes me feel a little better about my strabismus… I’ve always gotten complimented on my eyes but thought they were “weird” looking. I only learned about strabismus last year. Now I see it as something unique instead of a flaw.
@@glumpot Never be afraid or ashamed on what you might perceive as a flaw. It's something that makes you, you. That's not to say you shouldn't get something like that corrected if you want to... I had laser corrective surgery for my poor eyesight many years ago, and a couple of other minor surgeries that weren't necessarily required for my health, but have made life a little easier for me. Regardless, I'm glad to hear that my comment makes you feel better about it :)
Wait really? I never spotted that. I noticed that her eyes were further apart than what would be considered normal but I never noticed that one of her eyes would wander.
@@florilestari Well it was also Aphrodite fault too because she promised the king, Helen of Troy. So basically the whole war started over the fact that Aphrodite manipulated the King horniness to get him a wife but in the process caused the biggest war in Greek.
@@TheRedRoseofJujutsuKaisen well to me it's not her faulth, some ppl cant put their pants together when it comes to women, even Goddess in greek myth time horny as fuck (yes I am looking at you Zeus) that's why Aphrodite cunningly win the challenge since she understood desire and pride, remember how she seduce Ares? It's all about competition to her
@@blahblahblah3884 Honestly, I like Eris even more because even her reason for doing that was petty. It still is enjoyable watching these arrogant gods fight over who the prettiest. I don’t usually like starting drama but damn it fun to watch it unfold by the person who started and seeing their weaknesses be used against them.
For those criticizing Eris for being a simplistic villain... well, the movie does the original Greek goddess justice in this part. Ancient Greek goddess of strife did things just because, like when she started the Trojan War by throwing an apple. She was an archetype of what we refer to as "troll" nowadays. In fact she was an embodiment of it. And she set mortals and gods against each other not for any sort of gain or lofty goal, but simply to watch them suffer. And in a way, she personifies the chaotic nature of strife well, not unlike DC's Joker... She cannot be reasoned with, she cannot be paid off, she cannot be comprehended with logic. Sometimes, people hurt each other not for money or power, but just because. As it was aptly put. "Some people (goddesses) just want to watch the world burn"
“LOOOK AT HER SINBAD, he isn’t even in his grave yet & and you’re moving in on his GIRL…. Face it… your heart… is as Black as mine” that was tooo funny
@aaronmunnerlyn It really is a good point and that's what makes the irony in this scene so funny. She's obviously doing what she does best by sewing the "seeds of discord," but it's with 100% facts and both Sinbad and Marina instantly know it. It's hilarious to see Sinbad stay silent and Marina immediately fire back defensively in a weak attempt to counter Eris' statement. She tells Eris she doesn't know what's in Sinbad's heart; which is in itself...pure irony because of course she does! She's a goddess after all haha. I remember immediately thinking it was odd that Marina readily put herself in a situation so close to Sinbad when the voyage began but it's sort of made clear from their first meeting that she was instantly infatuated by the bad boy image he had on full display. She even says rather coyishly something to the effect of "this is the notorious man I've heard so much about" whilst eyeing him like a delicious turkey dinner haha. Eris'revelation and total maipulation via death by truth bomb after truth bomb caused her to go from a begrudging 10 to a flipping 100 in the attraction department for me I must confess. Forgive me my brothers for I have officially gone to the dark side!
To everyone in the comments or still watching clips of this movie years later, thank you. This movie deserved better from Dreamworks and critics. It is so fun to watch. 💖
She's the most underrated villain in the world she tore sea apart, sent monsters after people, stole a magical book to cause shit and threatened to take over the world........ And all because she was bored 😂🤣
"You still don't trust me?" "Ahhh...No. Now fork it over." "What?" "I answered truthfully. Give it." "That wasn't the--" "One question, one answer. No Takesies backsies. YOINK!"
@@leyrua yeah, likely. unless the rules specify the fay have to leave the mortal alone should he won. But gloating about it will definetly got you cursed XD
Fun fact about Eris: the animator that was doing her hair was messing around with the animation and then they liked how her hair moved so they added it into the movie
While I think Eris is a cool villain, I'm still wondering how a Greek deity ended up in a Sinbad movie? Or how Sinbad ended up as the main character of mythology based movie?
It’s like a romanticized version of “Mediterranean” cultures, fairytales, and myths. It’s like the spirit of that region and less so an accurate portrayal of JUST Greek culture or JUST Arabian culture
I think people also forget that although there was a lot of fighting between these different cultures/empires, they exchanged so much constantly. people, food goods etc. It was like a more exciting and ancient version of the modern American “melting pot”.
It's not a movie based on one single culture. Syracuse is in Italy, Marina is an ambassador from Thrace, Greece and Sinbad is an Arab. These countries interacted quite a lot as they were connected by the Mediterranean sea. There was trade, lots of immigrants, colonialism etc. They're not so distant from one another, and their civilisations inevitably got intertwined with time.
The actual Sinbad tale directly references a lot of places in Greek Mythology, some of the stories even recreate the events of the Odyssey by going to the same places that Jason and the Argonauts did and fighting the Greek monsters.
Wow Eris she maybe a clever goddess of chaos and can read alot of mortals minds but she failed to see how much Sinbad changed cause he wanted to find the book of peace to clear his name and when she told him tht Prodeus was gonna die he changed his mind to save his friend so her deal screwed her all way to sunday cause she didn't account on him actually sacrificing himself to save his friend
@@bogbog4678 I mean she also doesn’t have to put to much effort , from there point of it’s life or death to her it’s well a game she’s playing if she loses big deal she can just try again in a hundred years
@@ACWolf700 true, but I will say this. I feel like before she asks the question she played a little mind game with them kinda trying to confirm that he is what she thought he was, so she was confident in that moment thinking i got him, but in the end like you said she did not checked the cow before she got the milk. Lol
I love how eris is always symbolise with water and the abyss during the movie, the way she move the creature she summon and every scene is connected to ocean. Like the sea she is enigmatic and kind a scary. But in the end she is not full of secret and dangerous life like the ocean is, her domain is a sea of sand empty of life, just ruin and corpses
This movie made me wish that Michelle Pfeiffer would do more voice acting roles because she just has such a perfect voice for a villainess/femme fatale characters. I don’t know what it is about it but she can make her Voice not only become so seductive but also sound so dangerous… it draws you in, lulling you, but deep down you know that you are not safe….She is such a queen, I love it!❤
I forgot how good the acting is in this movie. Like, the voice work alone is impeccable, but animating believable facial expressions that match not only what's being said, but how it's being sad is a feat if skill that a lot of classic animation doesn't get quite right, but this fucking NAILS it. Eris is especially well acted
This is amoung underated animated movies, like The Last Unicorn, Road to El Dorado, Emperors New Groove, Titan AE, Treasure Planet, an so on. Thet all have their weak points here an there (at least in my opinion) but are marvelous none the less.
3:09 Eris: Isn’t it a pity we live in such skeptical times? You’re telling me, Eris! Whenever I buy something at Walmart, I have to show my receipt before I can leave.
Michelle Pfeiffer is such a phenomenal voice actress
Yes I wish she did more voice acting
Michelle Pfeiffer is phenomenal phenomenon...
Yeah, even her performance as Catwoman in Batman Returns.
I'm more impressed by the animation for this character
Amazing how she went from Tzipporah to Eris
I always loved the twist reveal of Eris' grand plan. She didnt steal the book to enact some magical, primordial chaos on the world; she did it because she knew it would kick off a series of events that would culminate in Syracuse losing its rightful heir, thereby creating the much more real chaos of political unrest and power struggles. It might not make much of a difference to some but I always thought this was brilliant; magical chaos might bring people together to unite against it, but civil turmoil will guarantee a kingdom collapsing into chaos.
I totally get what you're saying. She was a Queen, turning her opponent's pawns against each other. Iconic.
An empire toppled by its enemies can rise again. But one which crumbles from within? Thats dead forever.
And also, yeah she got mad at the end when it didn't work but then she's like "meh, I'll do it again elsewhere, kbye."
Ikr! This and her last bet that Sinbad wasn't sincere when he stepped on the bridge to the book - in the end when he comes back to Syracuse it reveals to us that SHE WAS BLUFFING! OMG! She didn't know for 100 percent that he wasn't going to go back to save Proteus's life! I love it. She was just manipulating and bluffing with such an aplomb 😂
Very interesting and true!
I’ve heard this movie criticized for having an overly simplistic villain, but I actually liked her a lot. Sure she doesn’t have the softer side that a lot of people want in a modern villain, but she sets the Tone Well! So many shows/movies utterly fail to do that, but she did it!
Exactly, besides she’s the GODDESS of discourse, her whole thing is inciting war and chaos wherever and whenever she can, this isn’t something she only does when she’s in a bad mood, this is something she does all the time, sure it’s kinda one dimensional, but she wouldn’t be the Goddess of discourse if she was handing out mercy during lunchtime
Sometime folks just need a fun villain. Eris is definitely a fun villain.
She indirectly caused the Trojan War, idk what people expected.
It’s odd people would say that because if you observe her mannerisms, the way she speaks, the way she presents herself and schemes, she isn’t a simple villain. She’s simply true to her intentions and embodies her genuine essence which is goddess of discord.
I find her quite complex because she doesn’t simply smite humans out of sheer anger or vanity. She does because she has an agenda and analyses the people she chooses to harm directly. At least in this film.
Eris is Chaos 😂 there isn't anything complex about her lol
Can we all appreciate that they got a goddess who actually qualifies as a villain in the actual mythology? Unlike how Hollywood always portrays Hades as a villain even though he’s actually something of a good guy as far as gods go.
yeah like they screw up on stuff like being "god of the dead" and "god of death". sometimes it makes on thing they get their research on bing
@@aurumvale9908 I know right? Everyone just assumes that just because Hades is the Lord of the Dead and he has a monstrous 3 headed dog that automatically means he’s evil and all the gods are good.
@@bloodhound4741 all the other gods are the worst. Hades compared to them makes him seem more tame
Zeus as a villain would be terrifying. But honestly if they wanted to, almost any of the main Greek Gods would be excellent villains
Disney did Hades dirty. Out of all the Olympians, Hades is the most compassionate and loyal of the Gods. Especially when it comes to his love Persephone. If they actually fallowed the actual myth, it was Hera who cursed Alcaeus and changing his name to Heracles (Hercules is the Romanize name).
Hera and King Augeas would have made an amazing villain duo with them scheming how to make Heracles life miserable with forces him to do the 12 labors.
The hair of that woman is just so smooth 🤯
Very Smooth
It’s magic
Everything about her is smooth
She's the only villain I wanted to be as a child
And yes, it was 100% because of her glorious hair
@@kp-fc4yr i remember that i liked villains but i never wanted to be them. but villains are still cool.
For a goddess of chaos and discord, Eris is so polite.
Isn't she's Zeus's niece
It's part of her gimmick, by putting others off-kilter expecting her to be a raving madwoman.
@@RicardoPerez-rz8pu Eris in this movie is a combination of two characters from Greek mythology.
Firstly there is the primordial deity of Chaos. The entity from which all life and the first primordial entities in Greek emerged and all life with eventually return to Chaos. It is a being that stands above even Zeus and the Olympians and is the only true all powerful entity in Greek myths.
Secondly her name comes from Eris the personification of strife in Greek myth. In Greek she is suppose to be the daughter of Nyx the primordial entity who rules the night and is one of the first children of Chaos. So Eris in Greek is the grand daughter of Chaos. However in Homers Roman version she is the sister of Ares meaning she would be one of the daughters of Zeus in Homers version.
Even chaos has no excuse to be rude
A woman of wealth and taste.
This movie is an underestimated classic. The animation is gorgeous (Eris' hair is mesmerizing) , the characters are fun and engaging, the voice acting is top notch. I think the only problem the movie has is the pacing, I can remember it in segments but can remember little of the order it goes in.
Given that they only went on the journey bc of the Goddess of CHAOS and DISorder, i feel like that fits tbh. That being said do you think it should've been longer?
@@lunaathena9036 they could have done more yeah, that would have been fun if they filled out more, but obviously you can't go on to long before the audience loses interest
The storyline is so great
I second this. This movie deserved so much more recognition
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People underestimate Eris SEVERELY. She’s the GODDESS of discord, if she really wanted to she could just plunge the entire world into chaos. However, she doesn’t because she enjoys the strategy aspect of causing catastrophes. Additionally she’s so threatening BECAUSE she’s perfectly calm, to her this is a game that she’s won time and time again.
Edit: Wow this comment really lived a life of its own. In response to one big claim I heard, it is true that Eris would be under Zeus’ jurisdiction and she isn’t primordial chaos, she represents more of human conflict based chaos such as the fall of a kingdom, civil war, arguments, riots, the Trojan war, etc… We shouldn’t assume that just because she’s under Zeus that she couldn’t just plunge the world into chaos, I mean gods and titans have been radically altering the entire universe consistently in their stories and while she probably wouldn’t get far she could possibly start several wars before she’d be stopped and as humans we’re known to start and drag out conflicts until we’ve killed half of our forces doing so.
Part of me thinks she does this sort of thing precisely so that a chaos factor like Sinbad might ruin her plans, which would give her an extra kick out of it. Otherwise, there's no reason she'd give him a second chance to go back to Syracuse to prove her wrong. She could tell whether Sinbad is lying to himself after all.
@@germsspices Yeah she’s playing the game on a whole other level I mean in real world mythology she single handedly started the Trojan War and all she did was plop an apple on a dinner table.
She is not that ripe of gods. Mythological gods are much more close to human behavior and human abilities than religious gods
The fact that she doesn’t deliberately induce chaos is because she knows it wouldn’t be chaos if it’s forced/designed, it wouldn’t be chaos per say because it was directly ‘controlled’. She wants the wild/unpredictable chaotic factors of variables, that can toss her plans like a chaotic salad, which is why she doesn’t just ‘stop’ Sinbad, she enjoys the ‘unpredictability’ he brings to her design.
U glorified her but explained how much of a threat she is at the same time. If I were a goddess I'd want you to describe me.
Something that I love about this scene is both the way Eris asked her question Sinbad, because she already knew that Sinbad would lie about not going back to Syracuse, and at the moment, even Sinbad knew he wouldn't keep his word, even though he said he would go back. But the real twist is learning that Sinbad defied Eris's prediction and went back to die, which means despite his initial act of selfishness by lying in the face of a literal deity, he then went and defied her by doing the one thing she never expected. He became a hero in the end even though he's a thief and a criminal.
She would have said he was lying either way. Think about it. If he is lying, her plan works and she gets her chaotic victory. If he's telling the truth, she doesn't just take his word for it. He has to prove he'd do it. She thinks he won't do it and essentially tries to call his bluff. Either way, her only answer would be to say he was lying if he said he'd go back. She didn't need a contingency if he said he wouldn't go back because she knew that he wouldn't say that in front of Marina because that would make her hate him. BOOM.
@@leekit8951 You're the only person who could actually make that explanation more confusing than before. You saw how Eris reacted when Sinbad went back to die. She thought he was genuinely lying when he said he would go back. He even believed her, because he knows what kind of person he is, and the kinds of things he's done in order to get through life. Lie, cheat, steal, and kill. So, why in the world would he actually believe himself when he said he would go back? That is what made it so dramatic when he did go back, because he finally did the one thing that not even he believed he would do: He went back to Syracuse and he defended his best friend and was fully ready to die in order to make up for the things he's done. Everyone was telling him who he was and what he was, so by going back, he proved them all wrong.
@@nateborie6329 Right. I was just saying that Eris would have said that he was lying no matter what. Despite her preconceptions of his character, he did ultimately choose to be honest with himself and that was the unexpected part. You're right. Eris did not expect him to do that at all.
@@leekit8951 you exactly thinking my way
...Just in case any of us haven't seen the movie.
Eris did nothing wrong.
She's actually giving some really good life paths for him.
Wouldn’t matter if her plans for the world came to fruition by making the planet basically a second Tartarus.
well, it's not really voluntarily on her part lol XD
Yeah she picked who she thought would scummy enough to act exactly as she wanted but ended up molding him into a hero by accident
To be perfectly honest, I have a headcanon this was Eris' plan all along--to give Sinbad some actual insight
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Eris is one of the best baddies out there this scene is full of so much gravitas. The part where she asks sinbad her question is immersive. I just love it
This animated film is beautiful and unique. Massively underrated and the marketing was terrible back then. But I find it truly amazing to this day.
Eris absolutely awakened something in me and I’m not ashamed of it at all
Her animation, her voice, her mannerisms, *yes please*
All of us, friend. All of us…
I want her to step on me
A lot of female villains, that were similar to her, seemed to cause millennials to want that dark mommy woman.
no she is vile
There is so much grace, elegance, and confidence in her, fully utilizing her feminine wiles. I do like a butchy, masculine female villain, but I still prefer the seductive, feminine female villains more, because they take full advantage of their assets, too.
I love 2:03; Eris, who floats around as if she's intangible and has half her body turned into smoke, suddenly reminds you that she can be as solid and heavy as she wants whenever she wants.
She could have sent Marina into Sinbad with telekinesis, or controlling the environment or something, but just flicking her with sheer physical strength while still being half-ethereal works so much better for reminding you that this is not a faerie, or a witch, or an evil spirit, this is a GODDESS.
Far more than that, she's the goddess of strife and discord, therefore chaos. In a bit of a crossover, there was a god of chaos and the desert (and of foreigners) in ancient Egypt, Seth.
@@Tounushi for the greeks the Chaos would be even more powerful than seth because for them it was the oldest thing that existed before the creation of the world
yeah, she do really give that vibe of all-power you'll expect from a god. You get the feeling that she could do whatever she want. You get the feeling that you can't stop her. Not a powerful surhuman whom powers are limited to lightning.
She does seem so powerful.
She gave them a safe landing not even on water, how considerate for the villian of the movie.
Ah but the test is still not over 😁 and she crossed her heart
All part of the game. She required he have the opportunity to prove he was lying.
The animation work on Eris is marvelous.
What I love is that Eris just don't care if her plan works or not. For her it's like playing poker. She was bored so she decided to play around a little. I bet if she was actually serious about she would have won and noone could've stop her. I think this movie perfectly captured how the greek gods don't care about how their little games effect people. For humans it was a catastrophic event for her it was like gambling a little.
What about the hissy fit she threw when Sinbad came back to give his life for Proteus? “How dare you? Everything was going just perfect and now you do THIS!!!” I don’t think she accepts defeat well at all.
Then she flirts back with him soon after. I think she was really quite a fan of him. She waits for him to stir discourses on his own.
@lukasmiller486 to her its just a game, she lost the gamble on this game so shes angry, just like how humans get angry when they lose a bet or a game of chance
Eris’ hair is my favourite character in this movie
Eris (at least this version of her) is among my most favorite villainous characters, becuz she left such an impression on me when I first watched this movie. Her animation, her design, her character, her voice! Everything about her drew me in like a moth to a flame. Michelle Pfeiffer voiced Eris so beautifully, she should have been commended for such excellent voice-acting!
The depiction of Eris was equally impressive, in the way she moved like smoke, her mannerisms, how she interacted with others and the environment and also her manipulations! As this clip showed, her true motivation to framing Sinbad for her theft of the Book of Peace was to prompt Proteus take Sinbad's place, as she predicted Sinbad would run, Proteus would die in his place, and Syracuse would enter a state of chaos with the death of their crown prince! The way she analyzed Sinbad and Proteus was spot-on that it left Sinbad speechless, and Eris was almost proven right about him being a selfish scoundrel, and the only reason he didn't run (at first, at least) was becuz Marina paid Sinbad to recover the Book.
Then she plays this mind-game with them, putting Sinbad on the spot of doing the right thing and dying for it or doing the wrong thing and living with the woman he had grown to love and abandon his childhood friend to his death. When it seemed all was lost and Eris accused him of lying, Sinbad proved otherwise by his actions in returning to save Proteus and accept execution, thus proving Eris wrong and winning the game she had tried to manipulate
Altho she was angry to lose, Eris kept her word (tho she technically had to) and instead of taking revenge for her "embarrassment" she simply ho-hum'd her loss tho she gave a subtle warning to Sinbad that he not push his luck, and simply ta'd everyone before vanishing to continue her divine role in bringing chaos to the world
It was all a magnificent performance and so beautifully executed, especially in the behavior of Eris as a goddess
That’s pretty much a recurrence with Greek deities. They are not exempt from the laws and superstitions of the universe. Even if they are immortal and stronger than humans, if they swear an oath they have to follow through.
I’m glad they actually got a deity that’s accurate to how they were portrayed in mythology, and that deities are bound to the promises they make. Eris is pretty much just like her mythology depiction - just exists to create as much chaos and discord as she pleases.
@@okamireader5 Mhm. He’s nothing more than an annoyance.
@@yamato6114 I'm also glad it didnt end with them killing her. So many movies where a god is a the bad guy end with them defeating said god ina big fight to the death. This felt like an actual godly presence. Where mortals could not kill her, and just had to be carefull in how they played her game. They won, this time. She still doing her thing though. As gods in these stories should.
her hair animation is so smooth, hypnotizing
It’s like a Pantene commercial! 🤔😆
Her voice and beauty as well
I think there’s an extra irony Eris enjoys about this in that Syracuse was going to fall in chaos because they are so hellbent on following their rules. Their rules state that the alleged criminal must die for the theft. The CLEARLY INNOCENT PRINCE takes their place. They could easily just overrule and be like “welp, the thief ended up running but executing OUR FUCKING PRINCE would just be a bad move for everybody.”
But they DON’T. Because they have to follow their ORDER. Eris must find that so hilarious.
she do sound like the kind of people that enjoy irony. XD
@Ramhell - One could argue that she’s basic because she’s not as sympathetic as modern day villains today. Her motivations are simple; she’s bored and sowing chaos is her primary objective and concept and that’s it. She doesn’t have any layers beyond that. But she still makes up for it by being a schemer, having a way with words and having ALOT of fun being the way that she is.
@@marlepeace9844 I mean, Disney (or Pixar, I forgot which one) has made "basic" villains before and people like them
Or you now some Romans show up.
@@marlepeace9844 That's changing now. Look at Jack Horner.
People are tired of relatable villains that have some kind of boohoo sob story.
The thing I've always loved about Eris... and I'm not sure if it's intentional or not on the animator's part... but the fact that her eyes are further apart than normal, and her right eye becomes off-set at times.
Extremely fitting for a goddess of chaos to look so normal, yet so chaotic, at the same time.
I believe it's intentional done, are you familiar with Strabismus of Venus? a slight off set eye draws the viewer even more in the gaze of the goodness, making it even more beautifull
This makes me feel a little better about my strabismus… I’ve always gotten complimented on my eyes but thought they were “weird” looking. I only learned about strabismus last year. Now I see it as something unique instead of a flaw.
@@glumpot Never be afraid or ashamed on what you might perceive as a flaw. It's something that makes you, you.
That's not to say you shouldn't get something like that corrected if you want to... I had laser corrective surgery for my poor eyesight many years ago, and a couple of other minor surgeries that weren't necessarily required for my health, but have made life a little easier for me.
Regardless, I'm glad to hear that my comment makes you feel better about it :)
Wait really? I never spotted that. I noticed that her eyes were further apart than what would be considered normal but I never noticed that one of her eyes would wander.
@@Gemini053 It might just have been an animation error that slipped through... but it seems kind of fitting.
Remember this queen of troll was also the one who caused Trojan War, it was also cause of her boredomness. She really needs hobbies
She did that by dropping an Apple...
AN APPLE.....
@@eamonndeane587 that caused a horny king to choose married woman instead of wisdom lol. Royals back then were desperate to get hot chicks *roll eyes
@@florilestari Well it was also Aphrodite fault too because she promised the king, Helen of Troy. So basically the whole war started over the fact that Aphrodite manipulated the King horniness to get him a wife but in the process caused the biggest war in Greek.
@@TheRedRoseofJujutsuKaisen well to me it's not her faulth, some ppl cant put their pants together when it comes to women, even Goddess in greek myth time horny as fuck (yes I am looking at you Zeus) that's why Aphrodite cunningly win the challenge since she understood desire and pride, remember how she seduce Ares? It's all about competition to her
@@blahblahblah3884 Honestly, I like Eris even more because even her reason for doing that was petty. It still is enjoyable watching these arrogant gods fight over who the prettiest. I don’t usually like starting drama but damn it fun to watch it unfold by the person who started and seeing their weaknesses be used against them.
She’s like Sinbad’s ex-girlfriend.
A woman scorned
Oh she wishes....
@@dallypurcy3113 Lmao nope
If she were also the sadistic goddess of chaos. Oh wait she's already one of those things.
This man is either terribly lucky or terribly unlucky, perhaps both lmao
I was too young to understand this movie, but I liked it to the point where I didn't mind watching it over and over.
For those criticizing Eris for being a simplistic villain... well, the movie does the original Greek goddess justice in this part. Ancient Greek goddess of strife did things just because, like when she started the Trojan War by throwing an apple. She was an archetype of what we refer to as "troll" nowadays. In fact she was an embodiment of it. And she set mortals and gods against each other not for any sort of gain or lofty goal, but simply to watch them suffer. And in a way, she personifies the chaotic nature of strife well, not unlike DC's Joker... She cannot be reasoned with, she cannot be paid off, she cannot be comprehended with logic. Sometimes, people hurt each other not for money or power, but just because. As it was aptly put. "Some people (goddesses) just want to watch the world burn"
“LOOOK AT HER SINBAD, he isn’t even in his grave yet & and you’re moving in on his GIRL…. Face it… your heart… is as Black as mine” that was tooo funny
It's funny cause it was true. She pretty much called him out on it, and he couldn't deny it. 😂
@aaronmunnerlyn It really is a good point and that's what makes the irony in this scene so funny. She's obviously doing what she does best by sewing the "seeds of discord," but it's with 100% facts and both Sinbad and Marina instantly know it. It's hilarious to see Sinbad stay silent and Marina immediately fire back defensively in a weak attempt to counter Eris' statement. She tells Eris she doesn't know what's in Sinbad's heart; which is in itself...pure irony because of course she does! She's a goddess after all haha.
I remember immediately thinking it was odd that Marina readily put herself in a situation so close to Sinbad when the voyage began but it's sort of made clear from their first meeting that she was instantly infatuated by the bad boy image he had on full display. She even says rather coyishly something to the effect of "this is the notorious man I've heard so much about" whilst eyeing him like a delicious turkey dinner haha. Eris'revelation and total maipulation via death by truth bomb after truth bomb caused her to go from a begrudging 10 to a flipping 100 in the attraction department for me I must confess. Forgive me my brothers for I have officially gone to the dark side!
I can't believe this movie is already 20 years old. It's still gold
Best Dreamworks villain ever, Michelle Peiffer did a perfect work !
Animation from the early 2000’s (2D) is better than it’s current (3D)
To everyone in the comments or still watching clips of this movie years later, thank you. This movie deserved better from Dreamworks and critics. It is so fun to watch. 💖
Pfeiffer's vocal role as Eris is just outstanding.
Eris’s voice is soothing for me for some reason
4:37 Michelle Pfieffers evil laugh is the best thing ever
Too bad Sinbad,El Dorados,Cool World,Titan A.E and Cat Don’t Dance never got a Sequel Or Animated Series!
I know their some of the best animated films ever made
And treasure planet
Idk why sinbad bombed cause I still love it to this day. It almost made dreamworls go bankrupt but I like the story
@@youngmaster7405 its a mystery to me, its one of my personal favorites
Alot of movies came out 2003, idk why but so many movies fell out
She's the most underrated villain in the world she tore sea apart, sent monsters after people, stole a magical book to cause shit and threatened to take over the world........
And all because she was bored 😂🤣
Eris is just like Pocahontas hair.... Soft, flowy, smooth and tangle free. I think her shampo is Pantene PRO-V or Tresemme
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing! 😆
1:22 I love this "are you sure?" expression.
Such a fantastic movie. The villain Eris is even better.
She's honestly one of the coolest characters ever, not to mention they managed to animate her so well that she just outshines everyone else
THROW BACK!!!! This was like 15 years ago! INSANE!!!! I hadn’t watched this movie since and it was honestly a really good one
The sexiest voice EVER!!!!!!!!!! Eris!
Her voice is amazing!! And the animation!!
2:14 from all the movie that’s the only dialogue that Marina and Eris have
Soo?
@@FlowerGirlMy we need more 😫
Funny🤣🤣
"You still don't trust me?"
"Ahhh...No. Now fork it over."
"What?"
"I answered truthfully. Give it."
"That wasn't the--"
"One question, one answer. No Takesies backsies. YOINK!"
Fae logic, and it would absolutely work. And probably get him cursed.
"YOU JUST ASKED ME A QUESTION AND I ANSWERED, TAKE THAT"
*Pursuit - Cornered - plays*
To be fair, she didn't make her promise or the 'X' thing until after she asked that.
@@leyrua yeah, likely. unless the rules specify the fay have to leave the mortal alone should he won. But gloating about it will definetly got you cursed XD
"Well, then," she would say, "what f I lied? I didn't give you my word now, did I?"
the VA is so amazing for making her sound so seductive.. it truly adds to her being the goddess of discord and chaos
0:48 That laugh is so well done. You don't really see that kind of voice acting anymore. So much personality went into the character.
It's the kind of laugh that you would hear a normal person do in a normal environment.
21 years later and still before it's time 😮❤ everyone gave up on traditional animation, and DreamWorks could come back to this beautiful film
Eris awakened something within me as a kid and I'll never get over her beautiful/haunting design
your sick
@@fahadmalik8862 like a bad thing
@@andrewthorn7283 I didn't find her scary lol
@@fahadmalik8862 no, I mean, him being sick - you say it like it's a bad thing, lel
and you are a philistine if you don't find Eris sexy
@@andrewthorn7283 huh? Philistine? I don't understand
She’s so beautiful, I love how full and smooth her animation is.
Is no one going to talk about the “Are you absolutely sure about that?” Look Eris gives at 1:23?
Gave me nightmares when I was young 😱😱
No I literally just played it 5 times in a row I am captivated 😭
The ending makes this exchange so satisfying cause it proves Eris is not as right as she thinks she is.
1:23 bruh that face...
Gave me the creeps when I was young
She’s like, “Boy, you don’t know me….”, with that look.
2:15 Current girlfriend defending for you against your ex
1:20 i love this little moment!
"you?"
"ya :)"
(eyebrows only) "u sure about that?"
Apparently they had one animator specifically focus on Eris’ hair
Love this movie, Eris was such an awesome villain
The voice acting is top notch! I enjoyed this movie a lot!
1:19 I love the body communication here. It's quite a talent to do that in animation. So much said with animated eyes.
Fun fact about Eris: the animator that was doing her hair was messing around with the animation and then they liked how her hair moved so they added it into the movie
1:15 The facial expressions are amazing!
Watching it as a child, I was scared af of Eris. Watching it now, damn she’s just one psychotic ex😂
Kinda like Shego from Kim Possible....
@@osmanyousif7849 In danger or trouble...
@@osmanyousif7849 That’s actually not a bad comparison
Don't lower her like that
We are talking about a goddess who caused the complete destruction of Troy, just because she wasn’t invited to a wedding.
While I think Eris is a cool villain, I'm still wondering how a Greek deity ended up in a Sinbad movie? Or how Sinbad ended up as the main character of mythology based movie?
It’s like a romanticized version of “Mediterranean” cultures, fairytales, and myths. It’s like the spirit of that region and less so an accurate portrayal of JUST Greek culture or JUST Arabian culture
I think people also forget that although there was a lot of fighting between these different cultures/empires, they exchanged so much constantly. people, food goods etc. It was like a more exciting and ancient version of the modern American “melting pot”.
Apparently it was also based on a Greek myth about Damon and Pitheus(sp?) and the spirit of brotherly love between them.
It's not a movie based on one single culture. Syracuse is in Italy, Marina is an ambassador from Thrace, Greece and Sinbad is an Arab. These countries interacted quite a lot as they were connected by the Mediterranean sea. There was trade, lots of immigrants, colonialism etc. They're not so distant from one another, and their civilisations inevitably got intertwined with time.
The actual Sinbad tale directly references a lot of places in Greek Mythology, some of the stories even recreate the events of the Odyssey by going to the same places that Jason and the Argonauts did and fighting the Greek monsters.
Eris my LOVE 😭🙏 She’s so well written in this i can’t
I can't help but think Eris is sort of like a female version of Loki. You know The Goddess of Discourt.
Discord....
Slack....
I wonder why there are no big stories where Eris comes into conflict with Aphrodite's daughter, Harmonia (goddess of harmony and concord)?
Literally screaming over the animation of her hair
A truly stellar example of the animators craft. She's spooky and beautiful and flawless and scary. Largely unsung artists.
Wow Eris she maybe a clever goddess of chaos and can read alot of mortals minds but she failed to see how much Sinbad changed cause he wanted to find the book of peace to clear his name and when she told him tht Prodeus was gonna die he changed his mind to save his friend so her deal screwed her all way to sunday cause she didn't account on him actually sacrificing himself to save his friend
yep, she created her own demise.
@@bogbog4678 yep always check ur deal before u strike it......
@@bogbog4678 I mean she also doesn’t have to put to much effort , from there point of it’s life or death to her it’s well a game she’s playing if she loses big deal she can just try again in a hundred years
@@ACWolf700 true, but I will say this. I feel like before she asks the question she played a little mind game with them kinda trying to confirm that he is what she thought he was, so she was confident in that moment thinking i got him, but in the end like you said she did not checked the cow before she got the milk. Lol
I LOVE that Evil laugh
Me too
1:22 the way she looks at sinbad gets me every time
I love her hair waaaaaay to much! It’s so floaty!
We need a sequel to this movie
I get the distinct impression that this is just a normal Tuesday to her and I'm here for it🤣🤣🤣😁😁😂😂😂
Criminally underated and underappreciated movie
I love how eris is always symbolise with water and the abyss during the movie, the way she move the creature she summon and every scene is connected to ocean. Like the sea she is enigmatic and kind a scary. But in the end she is not full of secret and dangerous life like the ocean is, her domain is a sea of sand empty of life, just ruin and corpses
2:27 I just love that switch between her whispering and her more "normal" sounding voice
I don't remember shit about this movie but I DEFINITELY remember Eris & her smoke-like hair and flair! 💖 So beautifully animated!
This movie is actually amazing. So underrated.
1:24 ya sure. I love her face
This movie made me wish that Michelle Pfeiffer would do more voice acting roles because she just has such a perfect voice for a villainess/femme fatale characters. I don’t know what it is about it but she can make her Voice not only become so seductive but also sound so dangerous… it draws you in, lulling you, but deep down you know that you are not safe….She is such a queen, I love it!❤
i absolutely loved this movie as a kid
great movie and i had the biggest crush on eris as a kid.
I can't stop looking at Eros's hair , is so satisfying to see
Her voice is like… Perfect!!!
I love Eris’s voice actor so much
I used to be OBSESSED with her hair as a kid
I remember having the biggest crush on Marina and Eris when I was younger😭
That little look at 1:21 is just perfect
1:23 that Eris's look "think again"
"How much of the animation budget should go to this character?"
"Why stop at 100%?"
They had no right making Eris THAT hot 🥵
This was my favorite movie as a kid
“Like it? Im planning on doing the whole world this way”
“Wow .. thats a good plan”
😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's my favourite and doesn't seem to get enough credit love it
I forgot how good the acting is in this movie. Like, the voice work alone is impeccable, but animating believable facial expressions that match not only what's being said, but how it's being sad is a feat if skill that a lot of classic animation doesn't get quite right, but this fucking NAILS it. Eris is especially well acted
I do love this animation.
Eris asked him you don't get the book or you don't get the book. Never trust a woman with red eyes. That is my life's philosophy.
This is amoung underated animated movies, like The Last Unicorn, Road to El Dorado, Emperors New Groove, Titan AE, Treasure Planet, an so on. Thet all have their weak points here an there (at least in my opinion) but are marvelous none the less.
I think Eris was the best proof of my heterosexuality in my childhood. 😂
3:09 Eris: Isn’t it a pity we live in such skeptical times?
You’re telling me, Eris! Whenever I buy something at Walmart, I have to show my receipt before I can leave.