Pilot Can't Land in Windshear
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- Landing is what pilots are most judged on and its a mix of hand eye foot coordination and speed of interpretation of information that you are fed from what you see and hear... sometimes it doesn't work out.
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You know you're a fan of the channel is when your first thought watching this video is . . . Hey look they put the gear up right away on that go around. 😂
Me tooo😂😅
I’m a huge fan of this channel and showing my respect by not pointing out that’s the Yaw axis, not Rotation axis. 🤫🫣
Dunno who the “new guy” who’s helping Kelsey with his videos is but, Wow, they’re GREAT! Kelsey’s new subs just don’t know what the old days were like! 😂 PS - I MISS STELLA! Need to getta petition started about including her in another video soon! 😅😊👍🏼
And I'm not even a pilot
Caught my eye too 😂. And I've only been watching for three days now, Kelsey is great at getting us hooked on aviation.
I've flown with a few guys and gals who've been flying for Japanese airlines. Circling approaches are more common than in other parts of the world. The FO's told me they could do the landing. Japanese training was as thorough as you might expect. They had a "system" rather than doing it on "feel."
Hey dude, huge fan and a fellow pilot here. It'd be great if you could share your story (without getting too personal) in aviation. Like, why and how you started, how long it took you to go from a 172 student/private pilot to a 747 FO. Just a humble idea man, hope God keep blessing your life!
You got my vote, I have asked the same thing. As a groundling, how you guys “graduate” into bigger planes is interesting and pretty mysterious to me, what you fly at which point etc.
-I think subconsciously he wanted to impress his aunt.-
Kelsey has discussed some things here & there in his videos. I don't think he wants to share the timeline because he doesn't want us to know his age for some strange reason.
He mentioned that he started flight training a couple of years after college & that he became a 747 pilot in 2017.
Yes i would enjoy that very much.
Sit on a high back chair and sip some coffee and just have "Story time with Kelsey"
@@Anna_XorHes probably doing for his own safety and the safety of his potential passengers. There are some psycho ass people out there.
@@Anna_Xor I believe he’s 43.
Great Explanation, not just of the technical, but the background and the psychological and the anecdotal. thanks so much
I haven't been fortunate enough to fly anywhere since early 2001 but I flew regularly between 1982 and then. I never experienced any crazy crosswind landings despite at least half those flights being in and out of IAH and DFW where it can be stormy. Except for one flight on a B727 and one on a C-141 everything I flew on was MD-80 and B737. After watching a lot of these kinds of windy approaches I 100% agree with you Kelsey about no-fault go arounds. You and several other YT channels have shown the sad results of pilots trying to force a landing in bad conditions and I'm glad I wasn't on one of those planes. Keep up the amazing work!
Hello
Kelsey, I have to mention this, you flared as the airplane did @ 11:43 sorry, it made me smile. A bit like when I’m in the passenger seat of a car and the driver should be braking - I do it too with no pedals under foot.
I was a child when something happened on a flight I was on with my family. I was 8, and I can't remember what airline we were on. I know we were landing at DFW, and we were coming in for a landing. A sudden, unexpected windshear hit our plane. I remember the plane was descending, and suddenly, we went to the right while ascending steeply up at a right turn and then a left to go around. Adults were screaming and being a child. I said "Wheee". It felt like a smooth roller coaster ride. My mom and dad weren't screaming, and my younger brother wasn't either. We thought of it as a ride like we've been on at amusement parks. Pilots had no time to make an announcement as this was happening. After we landed safely after 1 go around and we were parked. The FO or the Captain announcement what had just happened. To me. They did a great job, especially because they had no warning of any high winds and, certainly not, an unexpected windshear on a clear blue sky day.
One thing i love about aviation is pilots, as long as their colleagues are acting with safety in mind, backs each other up.
Comeradery!
You can see the windsock just off the left side of the runway for that 787 approach in Osaka. It was definitely a blustery day and that pilot did a great job.
Love your videos Kelsey, haven't watched them all but the ones I have are pretty informative, and fun to watch. I just watched your version of "mean tweets" and I laughed, so I have to throw one out there for your next "mean txt" show you do.. Ok here we go.... Hey Kelsey, you look like like a Zombie Voldemort that would need a first officer and a navigation officer to fly a Cessna 150
I just wanna clarify from the ATC point of view, if it isn't obvious; yeh, we're trained to always ask for the reason for a go-around (at least over here in my corner of Europe we are), but it's got nothing to do with finding "fault" or whatever. We just want to know if there's something we need to be aware of that caused the go-around. Something on the runway, something wrong with your aircraft that might lead to an emergency, some weather phenomena we should warn other planes about; anything. We really couldn't care less about who's to "blame".
My go around story...I was flying home after a vaca and I heard the flight deck talking when I was getting on board about fog at the airport followed by "I've never flown in there before"..."Me either". So we're coming in and I look out the window and it is socked in! I look down and see the glow of traffic lights. I knew exactly where we were. 1 mile from runway 33 and we were 200 feet off the ground. I looked at the flight attendent (who I knew) shook my head no and pointed up. I knew she couldn't disturb the flight deck at that moment but she shook her head in understanding. Before she could grab the PA phone the plane engines spooled up and we went around. After the 3rd attempt on 33 the flight deck came on and said we may have to divert to Manchester. I spoke up then. I told the FA to contact the FD and tell them to try 15 instead. There was more wiggle room (flying over the lake instead of a town) and with calm winds they could do it. FD got clearnance from the tower and you could feel the change of direction. We came out of the clouds I saw the runway. I said "They've got it!" People aroud me whispers of "YES!" and "Thank God". We landed and they came on the PA and said "We'd like to welcome you to Burlington and NOT Manchester..." The cabin went wild with laughter and clapping. I can only imagine what our pilots were going through trying to land in an airport they had never been to before...That was over 25 years ago. Have a great week folks and please keep us Vermonters in your thoughts, we've lost a lot up here this week.
Friends of mine had a big event scheduled up in VT this weekend. They told me it was cancelled and I asked why. They looked at me like I was a moron. I had no idea how bad things were. It’s only Vermont, so I guess the mainstream press doesn’t care. Meanwhile, all that water has to go somewhere. I think we are in big trouble here in Western MA
@@billcook4768 People are coming from all over to help 'muck' us out. Roads are gone. Kids were kayaking in the baseball field. Amtrak service is haulted until further notice as a bridge in Ludlow is gone and only the track is suspened across. Food trucks were coming in to feed people who were helping...and it's still raining. At my house we're up to 9 inches of rain in just one week. It's worse than Irene. Everyone is asking about Lake Champlain and they assure us she can still hold water. 99 feet is flood stage, it's at 97 right now. We'll see.
The markings seem to be ICAO markings, with the three-striped markings being at 150 and 300 meters distance from the threshold, and the aiming point at 400 meters distance from the threshold. The following two-striped marking would be at 600 meters.
Had a 3x go around as a passenger to Long Beach due to lack of visibility. Ended up flying to LAX instead of trying a 4th time.
Congrats on getting 1 Million subscribers 🥂
6 tons of fuel in a 747 for a go around. That’s around 1800 gallons (rounded up) if I remember correctly. But that will vary depending on what you’re burning. ATF, Jet A, Jet A-1, Jet B, JP4, JP5, Etc. Holy moly, I just checked the price of Jet-A at katl, $9.36 a gallon as of July 18, 2023! $7.07 per gallon here at my local airport! $4.86 per gallon as of July 3rd 2023 just across the hill. At that price a go around would cost you around $17,000 per go around! But compared to the cost of life, equipment, ant the lawsuits in the face of a crash, it’s more than a bargain!
It looked good to me at first look he could make that landing without tail strike. second look. you are 100% right.
15:00 ICAO runway markers. Most runways outside of the US are like this
Interesting video. Thank you for sharing it.
Mean Ol' Wind Died Down
Fly every approach to a go around. If you land, that's a bonus
See City Airport London, very short with towers in front....
My Light Sport can land anywhere and stop but man we get tossed in even light winds. Carrying speed thru descending air on landing is pucker factor. Can you guys slip in landings commercially? I had to do a short final to get down quick at MFR after I saw they were holding short an Alaska Air 737 waiting on little old me .... coming in at a 45 in a hard right slip looking at the runway and the 737 out my left window. Can only imagine the passengers seeing me coming in sideways lol
I feel like all the carrier cares about is maximum profit 0 negative publicity.
They are quick to blame pilots for everything
Looks like a paper-plane :)
How did you end up a 747 pilot? Was that always your dream, your intention? Is there a usual path a pilot takes to get to a 747? Was yours usual or unusual?
brain activity of a pilot landing a jet must be quite high.
Most passengers probably don't realize that at part 121 airlines, we are constantly being monitored by our employer while flying. Airspeeds, flap configuration, sink rate and many other parameters are being monitored and recorded on every flight. If you land out of an unsafe condition, (ie unstable approach, wind-shear, land to long), you will get a call asking why you did not go around. There is absolutely no issue if a crew decides to go around with most carriers.
You guys are lucky. Lot more pressure at 91/135 ops
Don't want to be mean but this sounds like a little ad?🤔
@@notircm An ad? For what?
@@notircmPart 121 is an operations specification by the Federal Aviation Administration...not an ACTUAL airline called "121"
@@Astronetics I didn't knew that, I actually thought it's an airline. Sorry for misinterpreted that
As a dispatcher, I'm always entertained by my coworkers who get alarmed about a go-around. They'll announce it to the floor or come racing over to ask, "Did you see 1234 did a go-around? What happened?!" My attitude has always been that a go-around is a non-event. Maybe a fox walked out onto the runway, maybe the pilot got into a sneezing fit at an inopportune moment, maybe the plane ahead of them hadn't quiiiiite vacated the runway... there are a gazillion reasons for which slamming 200,000+ lbs. of metal and 200+ human beings into the ground at 150 miles per hour just miiiiiiiiiight be worth taking a second look at. I'll notice if one of my flights does a go-around, but I don't start getting concerned until... well, until there's some reason to.
We need some videos about Flight Dispatchers !!!!!!!
Hah! Great comment!
You sound like an archetypical redditor.
Why does ATC seemingly always ask the pilot for their reason for the go-around?
Many possible reasons. For instance is there something about the conditions or runway they should know about?
Hey Kelsey! I just found your channel this week and also decided to become an ATC at the same time. Your videos have been great at explaining so much and they've really got me interested in aviation as a career. Kennedy Steve has also been an inspiration.
Always been fascinated by aviation, never thought I could have a career in it. Thank you!!! I've got some of your ATC vs pilots videos and others in a playlist. Great pointers there.
P.S Blown away by the quality of your stuff, how you make it easy to understand everything you're talking about, honesty and how good you are at your craft. Love it!
ATC Rocks!
Get yourself a way of listening to controlled airspace on the reg. 👍🏼 Doing this when I was younger and trying to repeat back what was just said helped “train my brain” to go from “eye, hands and footwork” to “ear work” much faster. I’m excited for you! 👍🏼 If you enjoy puzzles and “figuring things out”, you’re gonna love it. 👍🏼
@@FilosophicalPharmer Thank you so much ! Those words mean alot! I have to get in three years of work experience in before applying (I don't have a degree) but I will be practicing for the ATSA for all those three years. My brain has been working overtime the minute I knew I wanted this. Its like a light went on and I finally figured out what I want to do. I initially went in for PreMed undergrad but I just couldnt handle it and didn't know any better at the time, had to quit midway.
Yes! I've already got LiveATC net bookmarked and searching for hours of recordings on youtube. I only hope I can make it.
Sorry to ramble but its really cool getting a reply from a real live controller 😁. You guys are mind blowingly amazing.
@@mercyp7151 Never was a controller but I’ve known a couple of them. And if anyone ever asks you why you dropped out of Pre-Med, tell them “Because in 2023, doctors don’t work for the patients, they work for the insurance companies who pay them.” Best wishes! 👍🏼
@@mercyp7151good luck!! If you're really passionate about something you usually manage to get where you want to, and/or it makes it more motivating to study for it. :-)
I had no idea how actually expensive it was to go around in a 747!! In restaurants, you need manager approval to take a waffle off the check... I super appreciate airlines not pressuring pilots about an extra 1500 gallons of fuel!
If that means your customers are dying rapidly, I’m sure that manager also wouldn’t ask for approval 😅
More enlightened employers let their employees make operational decisions. The more decisions you let them make, generally the better your company runs. This is critical if you employees are left in charge of a $250 million dollar aircraft that costs more than $7,500 per hour to fly and upwards of $10,000 to land. A $4,000 go-around is also trivial when you compare it to the cost of a stoofing one in. And if you are working somewhere that doesn’t trust you with something trivial, walk. I wouldn’t trust them to pay me nor would I knowingly set foot in such a restaurant.
Comparing a restaurant to a B747 go-around? Are you for real?
@@GB-cs5oz I think I compared it to a waffle. I see your point. Trust me, no one is more disappointed than me ;)
@@GB-cs5ozyou’re taking things way to seriously. It’s a TH-cam video comment lol
As a student pilot I was coming in on final is a beech tomahawk trainer with my instructor. Halfway through final he slammed the throttle to the firewall grabbed the yoke and said “ I have the plane”. Then he called the tower and reported a micro burst on final. We went around and he gave the plane back to me explaining something I hardly noticed that could have killed us. Lesson learned, aware I became. Good teacher he was.
You didn’t notice the change in airspeed…
@@Not-a-GSD "student pilot"
I logged many hours in a Piper Tomahawk but have never heard of a Beech Tomahawk. If that a small plane I'm not aware of or were you in a Piper?
@@76Draeger
I never heard of a beech tramahawk either. I have many hours in single and multi engine Cessnas and Pipers. I hold a commercial license in the US and Australia with IFR and multi ratings. I know however mostly only fly an Extra EA-300.
@@Not-a-GSD I hold my private and log most of my time the past few years in a 501SP. A good friend based at KSPI has a 300 and they are not only phenomenal but fun planned to spend an afternoon in. When I was a student pilot, I preferred to fly my solo cross countries in a Tomahawk because the view while flying was hundreds of times better than out of s Cessna.
I remember being on a commercial flight home to PHX when we had a go around, and I was surprised at the subtle but distinct quiet tension in the cabin. The passenger next to me seeming very concerned, which he verbalized. Having been to flight school, I explained regardless of the reason you should feel fine if not even good about the maneuver, meaning something wasn’t quite right enough and going around is a mere exercise in just playing it safe. Once established back on downwind the Capt made an announcement that there was a minor runway incursion at the far end by a vehicle, and when he saw it he decided to simply go around. (At that point who has time to assess why and how long something may be there that’s not supposed to be.) I’m sure someone got in trouble, but it wasn’t going to be us.
Get the plane where it's going, without breaking anything, or me, and I figure the pilot did his job. I'll take the go around every time, I'm not flying the plane. Great job Kelsey !!!
Best landings are the ones you can walk away from. P.S. taildragger pilot and crosswinds still scare the hell outta me.
No fault go around is a great idea. I never knew it was a thing, but it makes sense.
I really like how Aviation learned that less pressure equals more safety. It's a very healthy work culture, which should be adapted at so many other places. Only if the pilots are not afraid of facing consequences for speaking out or for going the extra "better safe than sorry" mile, they actually put their and their passenger's safety as top priority.
Wouldn’t they still have to land if they are within 500 feet of certain objects under the precedent set by Trent Palmer’s case?
I don't know. It sounds like you know more about these things than I do. @@aycc-nbh7289
The amount of work Kelsey puts into these videos while simultaneously being a pilot is underrated.
He is a Captain now. Well done to him and I totally agree with your comment.
that last landing was honestly the most beautiful approach and landing I've ever seen
..it was spot-on textbook for HIGH CROSSwinds for sure. MY thought was I had ‘pictured’ the crosswinds FROM THE LEFT (?!)..@ 13:55 Kelsey said they were coming from the RIGHT, the plane’s 3:00 (“Strong crosswind that’s pushing them TO THE LEFT”), man can’t believe I screwed that up. CRABBING INTO THE WIND. (Idk..maybe it’s early in the morning or something).
@@m118lr the way he went from a diagonal approach to seemingly stopping mid air and crabbing in for the rest of the approach was down right wizardry
@@m118lr I heard that too, but the wind has to be pushing them to the right, otherwise why would you put your nose to the left like that?
Also from the perspective it was hard to see if they're aiming for that specific runway.
super impressive!! agree
The production value of these videos are amazing! Thank you for the helpful animation!
I love watching you explain so many reasons why pilots do what they do to keep us passengers safe, THANK YOU!!
congrats on 1M subs, very informative video. Keep doing what you're doing!
Wow--you've really been upping your game with the visualizations lately! Definitely helps to understand some of the mechanics of what's going on.
Props to Kelsey’s editor for the fab graphics!
When I was in the USAF the two simple words “go around” were my favorite two words. The pilot MUST initiate a go around regardless of the rank or position of the individual saying the words. I was on a flagpole in a C5 with O6s in both seats while I was scanner on doing many touch and go’s for hours. I would randomly say “go around” just to have some fun during a very long day of pilots getting their takeoffs and landings logged.
Awesome. .....thank you for your service! !!!
Those 500ft markers at Osaka are 500ft apart (the second set being 1000ft from the threshold). The touchdown markers are beyond 1000ft, at 1300ft from the threshold.
Ohhhh, right, I wondered if they were at 100, 200 and *300M* (being about a metric thousand feet) but I guess we're gonna be stuck in Imperial for a while yet.
I noticed the runway in the first video looks identical to the one in the Japan video - though the perspective could be deceiving.
@@smgdfcmfah - I didn't notice that but I just went off what was said about it being Osaka and measured the markers.
@@ralphm4132I prefer Imperial as do many others. Metric isn’t the end all and be all
Cheers
Thank you Kelsey! I honestly thought the Japan plane was landing on the wrong runway! I learned something new today. I've never seen a Circling approach before. Stay Safe and have a great day ✈️👨✈️✈️
The lack of depth perception in the video is deceiving too. I was wondering where they were going too until they settled into the last few seconds of approach and you could see their motion was matching the runway, even if the nose is pointing way off
In 1993 I was a passenger flying into O'hare and we had to do a go around - pretty wild experience...I now know why they call Chicago "The Windy City" lol
That second planes landing was just poetic
"If you can walk away from a landing, it's a good landing. If you use the airplane the next day, it's an outstanding landing." - Chuck Yeager 😂
Yes, but you actually have to land. The last time I flew into Orlando Intl, we did three (THREE) go arounds. It was a perfect, cloudless, windless morning. You have no idea how many brutally stupid comments can be made by the passengers until you experience something like that.
@@purplesprigs Wow - under the conditions you described, I would have been really curious as to why the captain chose to do the go arounds. But, it's their aircraft.
In all your flying time have you ever seen a uap/ ufo?
Every video of yours that I see really helps me with my fear of flying and this one is really good information for me. Thank you.
The dangerous part of flying is the way home from the airport. Homes are dangerous; there are beds in those. People die in beds, yet sleep in them without concern.
@@unwoke1652 "You know, most accidents happen on the way to the airport!"
Don't forget the Xanax!
@@paulazemeckis7835 😂 always in my pocket😂😂
My first time flying we had a layover in Chicago. We had some kind of crazy wind and that pilot did more than one go-around. That was great for a first timer 😂
If there isn't crazy wind at O'Hare, a tornado is imminent.
Yet I have had, bottom line, 200 flights in my lifetime and never experienced turbulence or any problems.
Thanks for an excellent educational video. We passengers need to appreciate what the commercial pilots have to deal with every day! A "Thank You" goes out to all you pilots that deal with this.
Great comment! !
YES I know aviation is the SAFEST mode of transportation... but it's hard to believe so 😁
It depends on how you measure safety of a travel mode. If you compare risk of death per hour or per distance travelled? Per trip? Depending on how you interpret risk, flying might be similarly risky as driving and trains far safer.
I was watching my previous video at 1.5X so when I switched to your video I shuddered at how steep and rapid the approach was! I only realized how fast the video was when you questioned whether a go-around was necessary! I was like, ‘HELL YEAH, but Kelsey doesn’t make frivolous suggestions.’ Anyway, excellent video like always.
I've done that a couple times. Certain TH-camrs speak unnecessarily slowly, so I fix that. Then suddenly I'm watching traffic on another video doing like 80 mph in a 40 zone wondering why nobody's commented on that.
Ladies and gentlemen we found the ADHD folks commenting. 😂😂😂
Looks to me the first video is Innsbruck Austria (LOWI). I can tell by the shape of the houses and the motorway in the background. This place is famous for it‘s windshear, where winds from the south come down The Valley from the Wipp-valley (Brenner) and cause the pilots a hard time in between high mountains on either side. You even have to be specially qualified to land there. And I guess nobody will ever ask you, why you had to do a go around in Innsbruck! (Btw, the plane seems to be an A220 from Swiss, if I had to guess from the livery, it doesn‘t look like Austrian Airlines).
Can't be Innsbruck as the crossing runway sign in the video says 16-34 while Innsbruck has only 08-26. This landing is in Zürich on runway 28, the village in the background is Kloten.
@@JanKunzmann I see 5 taxi ways going right on the video. That doesn't correspond with what I see on google maps?
That second plane landing looks so good! :) Great job from both crews and thank you Kelsey for explaining all the details
I remember being a passenger on the infamous 738 white rocket doing tactical approaches/departures over BIAP and ORBD in 2004.
"We're currently directly above the airfield at 11,000 feet, make sure you're seatbelts are securely fastened because we'll be on the ground in 90 seconds."
And then that crazy ex-fighyer pilot would stand it on it's wing and down we went in a spiral descent inside the perimeter of the airfield.
..a ‘tactical approach’. The way they fly the 130’s, C-17’s, C-5’s, etc IN/OUT of HIGH-“stress” areas or war zones. STEEP climbs and STEEP descents.
@@m118lr Expected in a military aircraft, not entirely expected in a civilian 737
That must have been fun!
@@m118lrit's even crazier in military aircraft, because they can engage reverse thrust while in flight. This allows for even steeper descent than a civilian aircraft, even with the best of pilots.
its wing
I work for a nontowered GA Airport. I see go arounds all the time. I should video some of the landings it can be crazy on windy days
Had that happen to me twice on the same flight trying to land in Wellington New Zealand, called the Windy City for a reason… once was ok but the second one was really freaky, felt like the wing was pointing towards the runway. Third time after heading a long way out to the strait ( Cook Strait between north n south Islands) we landed find.. I think the pilots needed extra time to settle their nerves.. or at least the passengers did!
Kelsey, quick question for ya. What does it take for you to make captain? More time with company, more hours on type, age, etc? How’s a captain upgrade work? I’ve always been curious about how/why? Any benefits (besides the increase in pay, I’m assuming) Thanks.
Maybe a video idea? 🤔
Oh, that would interest me aswell.
Brilliant as usual young man.... You always remind this old airman that the future of aviation is in good hands.
Had a landing like this as a passenger going into Newark a few years ago, we must have been 15 degrees or more sideways as we hit the tarmac, and the landing was HARD. Second scariest moment I've ever had flying.
what was the first
Kelsey, you consistently deliver quality content and I'm always excited to see a new video from you. Thanks for being there.
Every single time I have ever flown in any aircraft , I have thanked the flight crew ! They are always
Kind and say something nice to me in return . Remember to always treat people the way that you would like to be treated - Golden Rule …. Life is good so , never miss a opportunity to thank
Someone for being there for you ! Good stuff and very simple . Thanks Kelsey ! Cool video .
They get paid.
They dont want to die either.
Well said!
I do that for everyone from the janitors at work to the fast food workers at the drive thrus I visit. They are people too and at the end of the day don’t get paid enough to deal with how rude some are.
I’ve had more than not the worker light up when I’m nice and you can tell they felt appreciated. It’s a wonderful feeling even if seemingly a small thing.
Flying between Australia and NZ years ago I experienced a 'go around' as a passenger and honestly I could tell we were too fast for our distance from the ground, and I am no expert! When the plane abruptly pulled up all I was thinking was 'Good choice!' I knew nothing about 'go arounds' or such things at the time, only realised that was what had happened once I started listening to this channel. The approach freaked me out a lot more than the pilots going up again!
Sundays are always special always looking forward to your videos Kelsey you're definitely my man love you 💖
Your videos have helped me feel a lot safer flying. ❤
Kelsey, if you ever get the chance, can you update us on the jet bridge that collapsed in Dublin and damaging an American 787 plane. Would love to know the whole story.
I wonder what the record is for number of attempts? The highest, not lowest.
The Osaka one, looks like the camera is static, so I assume whoever's filming is standing on the obstacle? At first I thought they were aiming for the far runway and were going to turn at the last minute. Nice one!
I clicked on the video as soon as the notification came just like a kid haha... Its always a pleasure to watch your videos Kelsey. Greetings from Grottaglie!
That's Osaka Itami airport. Only used for domestic flights. Kansai airport (on reclaimed land in the bay) is the main international/cargo airport for Osaka.
Flew in after just constructed, very new and fancy.
Kansai
I'm just a dumb c172 pilot, and I think I've gotten a bit of a bad habit of trying to save a landing. Our runway is a 7000ft long and 150ft wide, so most of the time, you'll have more than enough space to adjust an unstabilized approach and make it work. I'm still a long way off from an airline, but thanks for reminding me to keep on top of that when I'm time building👍
No pilot is dumb....they usually have higher IQ's.
It does make a big difference when you're flying a slow aircraft. A C172 lands at around 60 knots, compared to a 747 at around 150 knots, or an A320 or 737 at 140 knots. Given a strong headwind, actual ground speed might be 40 knots vs 130 knots, so the Cessna has 2 to 3 times longer to get on the ground, and it stops faster once it gets there.
An A320 has a safe landing distance of around 6000 feet, so it can barely land on a 7000 ft runway. Obviously, the "safe" distance is far longer than it actually needs, but you wouldn't want to spend 1000 feet (about 4 seconds at 140 knots) stabilizing then try to land anyways.
The C172 has a safe landing distance closer to 2200 feet. Depending on the source, it might be closer to 1000 feet, but I tried to keep similar safety rules in mind for a more fair comparison. As such, the Cessna can spend the entire 2200 foot length of touchdown recovering (a leisurely 22 seconds at 60 knots), then still have over two touchdown lengths remaining.
A 747's safe landing distance is 7500-8000 feet, so it can't even land once on your runway. If you move to a runway long enough for the 747, your Cessna would have almost an entire extra touchdown length.
Of note, the rules I looked up were for the EU, and it appears you'd actually need to multiply the safe landing distance by another 1.67 or so to be normally allowed to attempt a landing, so the C172 could land on a 3674 ft runway, the A320 would require about 10000 feet, and the 747 would require up to 13300 feet to legally land. But I'm not positive on all that. Either way, it's much, much safer to finish landing after a partial abort with a small aircraft like a C172 on a runway the jetliner can barely land once on.
It's also relevant that a C172 is much narrower than an airliner, so you can be 30 feet off the center line and still land safely. So "stable" approach is more forgiving on the small aircraft, to a degree. The mass of large aircraft does make them more stable in the wind, due to the square-cube law -- the force of the wind goes up with the square of size, but the mass of the aircraft, and therefore its resistance to deflection, goes up with the cube of size.
Know a pilot who overruled his Captain at FADN and flew to FAOR, to prevent a possible incident. Some pax were furious, but they still walked away from their landing. It was a 737-800. The original flight departed from FACT.
Hi Kelsey that is Zurich airport runway 28 usually one of the better runways as far as wind goes. I have landed on the 16 the one that intersects the one shown. We landed in winter just an average day but the wind was switching directions and the LH CRJ we were flying on was wobbling because of the wind. They got it down but it was an interesting ride. I thought for sure we were going to do a go around but the wind normalized as we touched down. Enjoy the videos it's great how you explain things people who would be nervous will feel more relaxed when they understand what's going on.
@kevinsavard5998 Thanks! I was curious about where that was, it’s so lovely. I could sit all day in that house in the hills and watch planes land.
@@MetsterAnn If you look up the Zurich Airport Webcams they have several so you can watch live landings and departures.
That was at ZRH a few days ago. We had crazy winds and thunder storms in recent days. Tons of diverted flights
I was wondering whether it was ZRH - thanks for confirming
Never a dull moment watching your videos Captain thanks for posting
Three bars.
Not a captain.
I was a passenger on a little Cessna coming into Redlodge, MT with a very strong shear wind and we were coming in at a 45 degree angle to the runway, at the last second he straitened it out and landed no problem. I had the feeling I had witnessed a kind of skill from lots of experience and someone who was simply born to fly.
I used to live close to the airport on the Isle of Man, near always windy, and my walk to work was on the flightpath. The planes were all over, and at last second fine. I suppose they get used to it. But you got me thinking. Where I live now, its not often windy. So take a pilot from a non windy place to a windy coast airport... hmmmm. Thinking about your comment.. give me a windy pilot 👍
2:09 I was on a flight that landed like this at CDG coming from Toronto. The ceiling was maybe 50m - Heavy fog let's call it. We came out of the clouds into rain and most people on the port side of the plane gasped (out loud literally) when we saw what was going on. That flight crew landed that plane smooth as butter. I made sure to say thanks on my way out.
What you describe is a Cat 3 autoland.
Between Kelsey’s “74 Gear” and Petter’s “Mentour Pilot”, there’s no better flying channels than these..IF you want specifics.
You are part of the "Magnificent 7" that produces aviation TH-cam videos. You all have done so much to put the flying public at ease; thereby generating a lot of money for the airline industry (stock holders). Good job!
After Mentour, who are the other 5?
Trent palmer
Peter sripol
Flite test
Airforce and proud
Would be my few suggestions
@@TheMovieLoft Thanks! My son is a pilot with American Eagle. I recently recommended this channel & Mentour’s to him & he loves them. He’s relatively new to airline flying & wasn’t a military pilot.
The MAGNIFICENT 7 includes 74Gear, blancolirio, dan gryder, Mentor Pilot, C.W. Lemoine, Real ATC Audio, and VAS Aviation. This is my list. Yours may differ.
@@chaplainleggitt7472 Thanks! I’ve watched Real ATC, VAS Aviation, & I’m subbed to both of Mentour’s channels. I’ll have to check out the others.
I love uncomfortable landings. Had several in military aircraft with no windows and you're along for the ride. Better than a roller-coaster.
Love ya kelsey
Nice try Mentour
I'm flying somewhere soon (for the first time alone..) and flying for me is one long panic attack. Because of this channel (that I've been binge watching) I'm now not only less anxious, but also actually a bit excited to fly :) and slightly becoming a bit of an aviation geek now XD. I sincerely thank you. .. ATC vs pilots is my fav series :3 also vlogs!
btw the scariest thing during flying for me is not turbulence, but the feeling of falling for like 1 second on random moments (I've read its when the pilots pull back the speed and you go slower which makes it feel like you' re falling?)
I’d be more worried about an unruly passenger than a flight problem. We live in this world today (especially the US) where people have this “me first” attitude and feel they can do whatever they darn well please. I had an incident where the plane actually had to divert to the nearest airport to offload an unruly passenger and let’s just say it was a tense situation
I haven’t flown since
Cheers
@@NYX8Kon same,there was a moment when the plane i was on was landing,i promise you we fell for more than 4 seconds😮
This reminds me of a strong crosswind landing I had in a Cessna 152 Aerobat landing at McCarren, circa 1984. There was a twin Otter landing in front of me that got one of his main landing gear onto the shoulder of the runway. I was crabbing hard and it looked like I was coming in sideways.I managed to land ok. Upon touchdown I cross controlled the yoke all the way until I was parked. It took me a minute to unlock my grasp on the controls and start breathing again. I was a student pilot (1984) McCarren in Las Vegas.
As student pilot in basically the same time frame, I had my first encounter with windshear in a Cessna 152 in an approach to Molokai with a CFI on board who knew about the windshear but didn't let me know. It was eerily calm at first for Molokai but as I approached the numbers, the nose and port wing dropped as though we'd hit an invisible brick wall. The CFI had the controls, did a t&g and he talked me through the approach and landing. Will not ever forget flying into a windshear unaware again.
Kelsey, I live about 50 north of SFO. I watch the aircraft come in for landing all the time. I was wondering if you could make a video on explaining holding patterns. Sometimes, I have seen that just seem strange.
Great analysis, Kelsey! Some folks think pilots just sit in a self-flying plane in a pretty uniform - but oh how they have 300 peoples' lives in their hands! SO much can go on and the brain has to move quick! Sharp turns at landing can be a surprise too! I dated a pilot for a decade and we were coming in for a smooth, relaxed turn at landing in a small private plane and already in touch with the tower. But unexpectedly, the tower came back and said so fast I didn't hear it all at first, "Heavy coming in. Go for it fast - or go around? Your option." (The tower knows him really well.) After answering in the affirmative for a bullet dive, Pilot looked at me and said "hold on!" He did the 90 degree turn while dropping fast to get in there before the heavy and I'm pretty sure my kidneys were in my mouth and I thought I was going to fall out the windshield lol. Had a lot of fun before that - he let me fly the plane for a little bit ! I had total faith - he has over 50 or 60k hours, not a typo. :)
This just reminds me of the Kenny Dravis song - You can always go around. Best piece of advice not just in aviation but life in general
Last year when my mom and dad came to visit they did 2 go arounds at Newark and after the 3rd failed attempt, they ended up going to JFK. I think it was a Boeing 777, one of only a few planes that can fly nonstop from Johannesburg to the USA. They must have been very low on fuel when they got to JFK.
With 99% certainty they had more than 30 minutes of fuel whe they touched down at JFK.
Depending on the passenger load, they have been able to carry extra fuel for the bad weather. So, they may have had a decent amount of fuel. I never plan on landing with less than one hour of fuel and below thirty minutes,.a mayday is required.
The first landing was in Zürich Switzerland ZRH. It was on runway 28 , the shortest runway in ZRH, that also has an influence on your decision
Kelsy can you do a video on that plane that went across the runway and crashed into the fence a couple days ago?
First one looked like a Swiss A320 neo at Zurich Kloten airport. Since it’s their hub, second shot could very well be another aircraft instead of a go around. The hills around the field make the winds tricks over there.
I see 5 taxi ways to the right of the runway. Doesn't look like any runway on Zurich Kloten to me on google maps
I flew into Charlotte last September and the plane did a go around do to a rain squall. First time that has happened when I was on a flight, Took an extra 30 mins to land but I was glad the pilot went around
The scariest thing I've ever experienced while flying was a last second go-around into Reagan airport, like in the first video. We were almost wheels down when suddenly the plane *lurched* back up and started into a very steep climb.
The G forces alone were crazy, but also we had no idea what was going on. DCA is already an intense airport to fly into since you're landing smack in the middle of a bunch of landmarks.
It turns out last second go-arounds are even scarier when you're a passenger on a plane that has suddenly started moving in an unexpected direction...right next to a bunch of very important buildings.
The pilot eventually came on the PA and told us that the wind had blown some kind of obstruction onto the runway! We landed just fine a few minutes later but I'll never forgot that feeling of my stomach bottoming out 😬
Very important buildings? That has a bearing ?
Great video! I really enjoy your presentation and assessment. Extraordinarily knowledgeable and completely objective. Thank you for sharing your experience with us.
great job pilot
Hi Kelsey. I enjoy your channel immensely. My 20 year old daughter is starting flight school here in Phoenix next month and I was curious when you refer to your training days in the desert. Might you have gone to Aeroguard in Phoenix? That’s where she will be starting her training. If you have any videos that talked about your flight school and your regional days love to see a link of some of those that we can watch together. Keep up the great channel!
Larry
Phoenix Arizona
You are a great dad to support your daughter's Dream to fly....!!
The hardest landing I've been in was landing on a makeshift pastor grass runway. It had been raining, a lot. When we hit the water, the airplane hydroplaned and slammed my face in to the passenger window. Because I like watching the ground as we land.
Swiss Airbus at ZRH
Which runway?
@@beccyvc5743 runway 28 in Zurich Switzerland, it is not very long (2500 M) is mainly used for landings in stormy westerly winds. Such approaches are not uncommon there. In addition, the approach angle is quite steep because of the hill behind.
Great vid, watching this moments before boarding my own airplane (A319)