Would all of these hoods be improved by addition of a flexible flap to the bottom front of the hood where the work piece enters the protected blade area? Such a flap would be added near the front wheel on the S-12 and oriented to slope downward and backward so that the leading edge of a workpiece would lift it up, as it does the front roller on the S-12. After the back edge of the workpiece had passed by the flap, it would fall back down to make contact with the top surface of the machine table.
Nice review! I suggest you get some thumb screws so you don't need to use a screw driver every time you need to change the side covers. Do you know if this unit is available in US? Would this work on other saws, such as a Sawstop table saw?
Hi, I do not know if it is available in the US. I believe this link is to there factory harveywoodworking.en.made-in-china.com/productList?username=&pageNumber=1&pageSize=36&viewType=1&isByGroup=1&pageUrlFrom=1&productGroupOrCatId=yerEdImoaYRU&searchKeyword=&searchKeywordSide=&searchKeywordList=&selectedFeaturedType=&selectedSpotlightId=&viewPageSize=36 I also ask them a question about this unit and they reply it in a week. So try them. I also think this is the place where the sawstop is produce and as far as I can see it it would work. The way that I assembled the unit is not how it suppose to be. It comes with a frame you can attach to your back of the cabinet saw. Those thumb screws are a very good idea! But I found out that you do not need the screws to hold the shield in place. There is some kind of clamping meganism that hold it in place. The screws are to secure it, but I do not think it falls out. So if you change it very often, you find a sweet spot between tighten the screws, but allow the shield to go out if you want without untighten the screws. (I do not know if that is correct English :-) I still think it is a very nice unit and I use it for 90% of my cuts. Only problem is when you cut smaller then 5 a 6 cm, then there is to little space between fence and guard to guide your wood thru the table saw. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Best regards, Dennis
I’ve watched all your videos sir and really look forward to your next one. I am so glad you have started doing an English version because what you have to say is very informative. One thing I’ve noticed about European table saws is the sliding table. Most saws I’ve seen has this feature. Maybe you could do a video on the pros and cons of the sliding table feature. It sure looks like it would be a valuable option to have on a saw.
Dennis, thanks for such a good look at this device; first I’ve seen it. Seems like I could not ask for better construction, and your review is absolutely informative and thoughtful!
Thanks Lee, it was my first video and my start of my TH-cam adventure! For me it is hard to see it now because I think my video's improve after this. But perhaps I want to make a review in the future. Not because this would change my conclusions, but I see some things I could do better so the comparisons will be more consistent and because I could improve it a lot in editing and presenting perspective. But thanks for your comment. I really appreciate it.
Thanks for this review. I bought one of these a year ago and have never got on with it. I find it so big and often gets in my way. I recently took it off my saw and it's currently sat in a corner. Having seen your review I may give it another go, but it's still so so big! I also was surprised to see the name Harvey written on mine (as well as my 254 table saw which was supposed to be Axminster Trade, but came with Harvey written on it)
Hi Joe, You are right, it is big and intimidating. But I have to say that I found it no problem at all at this moment. I still like it very much and I hate it when I can not use it. It is pretty effective. But I can understand your feeling because I felt the samen. Have a nice weekend. Dennis
I'm here looking for something even more for nothing, for ideas to appropriate for a shop-built hood. How do you suppose that hairy, brush type door sweep material, would be to further improve this hood's performance?
I'm a new subscriber; I found one your China Tools videos a few days ago and I'm now working my way through all of your videos - great stuff, so well produced - thanks (from Ireland)!
I noticed that you have your S12 bolted to your right extension area rather than fixed directly to your saw body. Are there variable options for attaching it lower down and fixed to the body of ANY cabinet-type table saw? I'm looking at purchasing the Laguna Fusion3 and wondered if the S12 would be suitable for it. Thanks for great review.
Hi Craig, Yes the way I did it, is not how it supposed to be. You normally have to attached it at the back to your table saw. I looked at pictures from your table saw (AWESOME, by the way) and I do not know that will fit. If you are form the UK, perhaps you can ask Axminster trade. www.axminstertools.com/eu/axminster-trade-shark-s-12-overhead-blade-guard-104504?glCountry=NL&glCurrency=EUR Thanks Dennis
I really like that overhead guard, but wow... $900 + tax + $150 S&H in the states. It costs nearly 1.5x more than my saw did. I'm in the process of making my own... hopefully it will be ceiling mounted, as my shop's height is about 7' and it would eliminate the need for it to attach to the saw/table. BTW... edge cuts/trims are the worse and create the most dust. That bubble guard option looks rather good at handling it.
Hey Dennis, really helpful review (even with the awful music between each segment! Ha, ha). Had a look in the Axminster website and I see there are some questions that I still do not have answers to. First, can you confirm what the maximum blade diameter this crown guard can work with? It’s clearly designed for 10 inch blade saws but will it fit a 12 inch saw blade? Also can the curved shield for mitre cuts also be placed on the opposite side (if you have a saw that tilts the blade the opposite way)? It’s deceptive how big a difference it is going from a 45mm diameter extraction to 65mm - in fact if you do the maths it’s 78% larger area with a 65mm extraction pipe. You will also get much better extraction and faster air flow if you use the straight sided shield as the internal volume of the crown guard is much smaller. However would be interesting to see if you could adapt it to take a larger diameter extraction, or use flexible hose that is not the corrugated type (as these slow air flow significantly).
Hi Max, I think I know what you are suggesting here! and that is actually a very nice idea. But you have to slide the shields in and there is some kind of locking system. So it is better to tight the screws, but not necessary. I also do not change them that much, but otherwise your idea have some potential. Thanks for your comment
Hi Dennis. Is it possible to adapt the dust port so it doesn't reduce to 60mm? Could the hole enlarged to 80mm? Or perhaps this is not possible due to the sliding mechanism?
Dennis, how do you like you sliding table addition to your Harvey table saw. I have a SawStop and its sliding table looks to be virtually identical to the Harvey. Any issue, shortcomings? Thanks.
Hi Richard, No shortcomings. It runs smooth and can handle some weight. The only problem I have with the fence. You have to align this fence every time. That is anoying and increase changes of mistakes. But I believe the new fences do not have this problem. Further you can not compare it with a format saw. But it helps definitely when you want to cut bigger and heavier pieces.
Hi "Hooked on Wood". How much did the overhead safety guard and dust collector cost total. And where did you buy it. Thanks kind Sir. Hallo "Hooked on Wood". Hoeveel hebben de overheadbeschermer en de stofafscheider totaal gekost. En waar heb je het gekocht? Bedankt, mijnheer
Hi Pat, The overhead blade guard is around 775 euro. www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-trade-shark-s-12-overhead-blade-guard-104504 My dust collector is a very cheap 2HP dust collector. It cost me around 300 euro. It is the HBM200 www.hbm-machines.com/producten/houtbewerking/stofafzuiginstallaties/hbm-200-stofafzuiginstallatie. Then I have a Oneida XL cycloon. This was around 365 euro. www.gereedschappro.nl/artikel/1955/oneida-air-super-dust-deputy-cycloon-xl-van-antistatisch-kunststof-diy-zwart.html Best regards Dennis
@@HookedonWood €1450 bij TendoTools in België ... toch een op zijn minst merkwaardig prijs verschil ... of zijn dit al de gevolgen van corona. In ieder geval hoe minder stof in de lucht hoe minder stof dat je inademt en uiteindelijk niet in uw longen terecht komt. Vanuit gezondheidsoogpunt is dit het investeren waard. Goede review overigens.
€860 bij Axminster ... geen idee of hier nog leveringskosten bij komen ... ook invoer taksen (Brexit) ???? ... VAT en verzending naar België inbegrepen dd 11 nov 2020
@@maphilib Ik heb even nagekeken ik heb 580 euro betaald exclusief BTW inclusief verzendkosten. Het is een van mijn beste aankopen. Ik zou hem niet meer willen missen. Ik ken Tendotools (mijn harvey komt daar ook vandaan) zowiezo als erg duur. Ik was in de markt voor een lintzaag (ik heb nu een hammer) maar als je dan het verschil in prijs ziet tussen tendotools en hier in NL, dan zijn de verschillen ook heel erg groot.
I got the table saw from tendotools.com, They are in Belgium. I found them pretty expansive compared to dealers in the Netherlands. But they had this black Edition I liked. I do not where you come from, but in England Axminster trade sell these Harveys under there own label. But you are right that they are not consistent in their marketing and philosophy of branding there products worldwide.
Dennis - the sliding table on your Harvey saw has a much longer fence than the Axminster version. Where did you buy this saw ? In Europe or did you ship it from China ?
Hi Tim, Sorry for my late reply, but I was a week on holiday. I bought it In Europe. www.tendotools.com/nl/harvey-slidingtable-st1400-black-edition.html But I see them now more often than last year. It is the same as the saw stop sliding table they use in the USA. When I bought my table saw, it was in the showroom with this fence and I felt in love with it. It looks Awesome! Of course that is not the best reason to buy something but I just want to have it when I first saw it. It is a nice sliding table/fence but also have some shortcomings. So I do not know if it is worth the extra money over the Axminster trade fence.
Did the sliding part came with your table saw ? i couldnt see it so quickly on the images i found for the table saw. Im looking to make my dw745 a bit better with bigger parts. im not so fond of using the festool invalzaag for not so bulky things.
Hoi Erik, ik doe het even zo in NL. 😀 Hij is gemaakt voor de Harvey tafels. Wat niet wil zeggen dat als je zelf een zaagtafel maak je deze vast wel kan monteren. De sliding table heeft in hoogte verstelbare voetjes en dat geeft enige flexibiliteit. Hij heeft ook alleen een zaagtafel nodig om aan vast gemonteerd te worden.
For accurate cuts on my old saw I need to see my pencil mark meet the blade. That view is blocked by the Harvey frame and caster wheel. (Your English is very good.....just fine.)
Dennis, I appreciate all you share, not to mention your command of my own language, and I look forward to viewing the rest of your excellent videos. I have a slight concern, though. Your use of gloves on the saw contradicts established wisdom. I can see that you are very careful to use push and hold-down devices in a thoughtful way to keep your fingers well away from the rotating blade, to mitigate risk. Nevertheless, how do you address the idea that with machinery, what might have been an accidental, relatively manageable cut on an ungloved digit could be an order of magnitude worse when a moving part catches glove material and drags your hand into a drastic injury? I imagine that you use gloves with other machines, also, for a variety of understandable reasons. I will appreciate your thoughts.
Hi Lee, the way I think about it, is that these well fitted thin gloves will not run your hand in a saw blade, instead the saw blade will cut through it. Like it will with your fingers. So, this believe, is why it doesn't stop me from using them sometimes. But of course I have no experience with that. So because of your comment I thought to give it some time on the internet and see if I can get some information that proves me wrong. And although I saw a few experiments they were all with thick gloves that I also would not recommend using. I saw one example of someone using a thin glove with a saw stop demonstration and this did not give any sign of drawing in to the saw blade. That said. I did not get overwhelming proof that wearing these thin gloves does not draw you hand in a turning machine either. So, thinking about it and saw some injuries that can happen with gloves in general I am glad you give me a moment to think about it. I do not think the benefits are worth the possible risk. So I do not think I will wear them anymore and you certainly won't see me wearing them in future videos because I don't want to give people the impression that it's common to wear them. Thanks for your comment!
Hi Dennis good to know that it has held up in use. It seems the Harvey folks don't mess about. Sadly in wood processing Europe innovates and North America imitates, often badly. Yes everyone I realize Harvey is not European. :)
Hooked on Wood Awesome, they’re backordered at the moment but I am trying to buy one for my saw. I see the Suva S91 but this looks better in many ways.
Hey Brain, great to see that you interested in this unit and that my review helped more ore less in your process. I do not know the Suva, but if I look at it, I think the Harvey S-12 is more flexible than the Suva and construction wise, it really is a very nice unit. (Even the bolts and screws are of very high quality.) What I learned from the S-12 (overhead dust extraction) is that the size of the hood matters. I used it first with the 2 flat shields, so not with the hollow shield. I did this because I thought it would improve the suction because of the smaller area of the hood. But it turns out to be otherwise. You need some volume at the other side of your cut. (because that is where the dust will go to) When you have the hollow shield at this side, it stays nicely in the hood and it will suck 90% of the dust. I use my table saw on the left side with crosscuts and on the right side with rip cuts, so it is important to have the possibility to get the hollow shield at both sides. The Harvey/Axminster Trade S-12 has this possibility. When I look at the Suva I see that this is fixed and I think that is a disadvantage. Ofcourse I do not change the shield for one cut, but if I make more cuts I like to change it because it makes a lot of difference and I like to keep my shop as clean as possible. The only complain I have is that I wish that the diameter of the pipe was a bit bigger. Because I think that would improve its efficiency even more. That said, the construction with the pipe, and the possibility to swipe it at the side very easily is handy. When I can’t use it, I prefer it out of my way. I can understand that in this construction you do not want a 100cm pipe in front of you all the time. I change my mind a lot in the beginning if I really needed a overhad blade guard/dust extraction. I think it cost a lot of money and when I finally decided to buy one I really thought I made the wrong decision because of its size. But now after 5 months of using it I am so glad I have this unit. I hate it when I have to make a cut without it. This is when you remember how effective this unit is in dust extraction. And when you have to make a cut without it, it feels so naked and unsafe that you are more careful when you make these cuts. It feels a lot saver with this unit in its place and that is important because it motivates you even more to use it. You will not find any disadvantage to use is. The only time when I can’t use it, is with rip cuts smaller then 50-60mm, then there is to little space between the hood and fence to push the wood through the table saw. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Best regards, Dennis
@@HookedonWood Thanks for the detailed insights, very much appreciated. I use my table saw in the same way. I have an Ulmia short stroke slider and so the left side is for crosscutting and the right side for ripping, though I do very little ripping on the table saw. Anywho, this information is very useful, once this guard comes back into stock I think I will buy one.
Every time a saw a person using gloves in a woodshop I just leave the channel. Literally walking accidents waiting to happend. 😖 I hope you are still ok. 😕
This Axminster video was my first one. A lot happend from that moment and I hope you will see that it improves almost every video. So also your comment is addressed and improved. Thanks for your comment. Appreciated.
"I'm not wrong. I'm Dutch". Had me laughing. Good video.
Thanks for your comment Roger!
I was about to say the same thing
Dennis is great. He knows a lot of infomation that we all come to youtube to learn about. Additionally; he has the coolest machinery!!
Would all of these hoods be improved by addition of a flexible flap to the bottom front of the hood where the work piece enters the protected blade area? Such a flap would be added near the front wheel on the S-12 and oriented to slope downward and backward so that the leading edge of a workpiece would lift it up, as it does the front roller on the S-12. After the back edge of the workpiece had passed by the flap, it would fall back down to make contact with the top surface of the machine table.
Nice review! I suggest you get some thumb screws so you don't need to use a screw driver every time you need to change the side covers. Do you know if this unit is available in US? Would this work on other saws, such as a Sawstop table saw?
Hi, I do not know if it is available in the US. I believe this link is to there factory
harveywoodworking.en.made-in-china.com/productList?username=&pageNumber=1&pageSize=36&viewType=1&isByGroup=1&pageUrlFrom=1&productGroupOrCatId=yerEdImoaYRU&searchKeyword=&searchKeywordSide=&searchKeywordList=&selectedFeaturedType=&selectedSpotlightId=&viewPageSize=36
I also ask them a question about this unit and they reply it in a week. So try them. I also think this is the place where the sawstop is produce and as far as I can see it it would work. The way that I assembled the unit is not how it suppose to be. It comes with a frame you can attach to your back of the cabinet saw.
Those thumb screws are a very good idea! But I found out that you do not need the screws to hold the shield in place. There is some kind of clamping meganism that hold it in place. The screws are to secure it, but I do not think it falls out. So if you change it very often, you find a sweet spot between tighten the screws, but allow the shield to go out if you want without untighten the screws. (I do not know if that is correct English :-)
I still think it is a very nice unit and I use it for 90% of my cuts. Only problem is when you cut smaller then 5 a 6 cm, then there is to little space between fence and guard to guide your wood thru the table saw.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
Best regards,
Dennis
@@HookedonWood Thanks Dennis for the info! I'll check with the manufacturer.
Dennis thank you so much I have been looking at this for some time this video pushed me over the edge I ordered it today
I’ve watched all your videos sir and really look forward to your next one. I am so glad you have started doing an English version because what you have to say is very informative. One thing I’ve noticed about European table saws is the sliding table. Most saws I’ve seen has this feature. Maybe you could do a video on the pros and cons of the sliding table feature. It sure looks like it would be a valuable option to have on a saw.
Would love to see a review of your saw and the sliding table too Dennis.
Hi Bill,
I will keep it in mind!
Dennis
Dennis, thanks for such a good look at this device; first I’ve seen it. Seems like I could not ask for better construction, and your review is absolutely informative and thoughtful!
Thanks Lee, it was my first video and my start of my TH-cam adventure! For me it is hard to see it now because I think my video's improve after this. But perhaps I want to make a review in the future. Not because this would change my conclusions, but I see some things I could do better so the comparisons will be more consistent and because I could improve it a lot in editing and presenting perspective. But thanks for your comment. I really appreciate it.
Thanks for this review. I bought one of these a year ago and have never got on with it. I find it so big and often gets in my way. I recently took it off my saw and it's currently sat in a corner. Having seen your review I may give it another go, but it's still so so big! I also was surprised to see the name Harvey written on mine (as well as my 254 table saw which was supposed to be Axminster Trade, but came with Harvey written on it)
Hi Joe, You are right, it is big and intimidating. But I have to say that I found it no problem at all at this moment. I still like it very much and I hate it when I can not use it. It is pretty effective. But I can understand your feeling because I felt the samen.
Have a nice weekend. Dennis
I'm here looking for something even more for nothing, for ideas to appropriate for a shop-built hood. How do you suppose that hairy, brush type door sweep material, would be to further improve this hood's performance?
I'm a new subscriber; I found one your China Tools videos a few days ago and I'm now working my way through all of your videos - great stuff, so well produced - thanks (from Ireland)!
The same 😁 I'm also from Ireland
And another Irish viewer here working through the back catalog - they've all been excellent so far! Thanks Dennis.
@@EddyCarroll get the credit card out 😁 some nice things to buy
@@jigsey. unfortunately I’m watching in reverse order so the damage is already done! 😬😁 (Banggood 11/11 sale finishes tomorrow)
I have the Harvey table saw and its a great saw indeed, love your review
I noticed that you have your S12 bolted to your right extension area rather than fixed directly to your saw body. Are there variable options for attaching it lower down and fixed to the body of ANY cabinet-type table saw? I'm looking at purchasing the Laguna Fusion3 and wondered if the S12 would be suitable for it. Thanks for great review.
Hi Craig,
Yes the way I did it, is not how it supposed to be. You normally have to attached it at the back to your table saw. I looked at pictures from your table saw (AWESOME, by the way) and I do not know that will fit. If you are form the UK, perhaps you can ask Axminster trade.
www.axminstertools.com/eu/axminster-trade-shark-s-12-overhead-blade-guard-104504?glCountry=NL&glCurrency=EUR
Thanks Dennis
I really like that overhead guard, but wow... $900 + tax + $150 S&H in the states. It costs nearly 1.5x more than my saw did. I'm in the process of making my own... hopefully it will be ceiling mounted, as my shop's height is about 7' and it would eliminate the need for it to attach to the saw/table.
BTW... edge cuts/trims are the worse and create the most dust. That bubble guard option looks rather good at handling it.
Hey Dennis, really helpful review (even with the awful music between each segment! Ha, ha). Had a look in the Axminster website and I see there are some questions that I still do not have answers to. First, can you confirm what the maximum blade diameter this crown guard can work with? It’s clearly designed for 10 inch blade saws but will it fit a 12 inch saw blade? Also can the curved shield for mitre cuts also be placed on the opposite side (if you have a saw that tilts the blade the opposite way)?
It’s deceptive how big a difference it is going from a 45mm diameter extraction to 65mm - in fact if you do the maths it’s 78% larger area with a 65mm extraction pipe. You will also get much better extraction and faster air flow if you use the straight sided shield as the internal volume of the crown guard is much smaller. However would be interesting to see if you could adapt it to take a larger diameter extraction, or use flexible hose that is not the corrugated type (as these slow air flow significantly).
Your english is great, Love your channel . Keep up the good work. Great and very useful info
How about adding a few neodymium magnets to the blade shroud to elminiate the hard ware from the guard.
Hi Max,
I think I know what you are suggesting here! and that is actually a very nice idea. But you have to slide the shields in and there is some kind of locking system. So it is better to tight the screws, but not necessary. I also do not change them that much, but otherwise your idea have some potential. Thanks for your comment
Hi Dennis. Is it possible to adapt the dust port so it doesn't reduce to 60mm? Could the hole enlarged to 80mm? Or perhaps this is not possible due to the sliding mechanism?
Hi, No, not really, I also have looked at that.
Dennis, how do you like you sliding table addition to your Harvey table saw. I have a SawStop and its sliding table looks to be virtually identical to the Harvey. Any issue, shortcomings? Thanks.
Hi Richard,
No shortcomings. It runs smooth and can handle some weight. The only problem I have with the fence. You have to align this fence every time. That is anoying and increase changes of mistakes. But I believe the new fences do not have this problem. Further you can not compare it with a format saw. But it helps definitely when you want to cut bigger and heavier pieces.
@@HookedonWood thanks.
Your English is excellent. about a million times better than my dutch.
:-)
Leave the annoying loud music off, you didn't show the closeups of the shroud
Hi "Hooked on Wood". How much did the overhead safety guard and dust collector cost total. And where did you buy it. Thanks kind Sir.
Hallo "Hooked on Wood". Hoeveel hebben de overheadbeschermer en de stofafscheider totaal gekost. En waar heb je het gekocht? Bedankt, mijnheer
Hi Pat,
The overhead blade guard is around 775 euro. www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-trade-shark-s-12-overhead-blade-guard-104504
My dust collector is a very cheap 2HP dust collector. It cost me around 300 euro. It is the HBM200
www.hbm-machines.com/producten/houtbewerking/stofafzuiginstallaties/hbm-200-stofafzuiginstallatie.
Then I have a Oneida XL cycloon. This was around 365 euro. www.gereedschappro.nl/artikel/1955/oneida-air-super-dust-deputy-cycloon-xl-van-antistatisch-kunststof-diy-zwart.html
Best regards
Dennis
@@HookedonWood €1450 bij TendoTools in België ... toch een op zijn minst merkwaardig prijs verschil ... of zijn dit al de gevolgen van corona. In ieder geval hoe minder stof in de lucht hoe minder stof dat je inademt en uiteindelijk niet in uw longen terecht komt. Vanuit gezondheidsoogpunt is dit het investeren waard. Goede review overigens.
€860 bij Axminster ... geen idee of hier nog leveringskosten bij komen ... ook invoer taksen (Brexit) ???? ... VAT en verzending naar België inbegrepen dd 11 nov 2020
@@maphilib Ik heb even nagekeken ik heb 580 euro betaald exclusief BTW inclusief verzendkosten. Het is een van mijn beste aankopen. Ik zou hem niet meer willen missen.
Ik ken Tendotools (mijn harvey komt daar ook vandaan) zowiezo als erg duur. Ik was in de markt voor een lintzaag (ik heb nu een hammer) maar als je dan het verschil in prijs ziet tussen tendotools en hier in NL, dan zijn de verschillen ook heel erg groot.
waar kan ik deze kopen in Nederland?
Where did you get your table saw? It’s hard to get any consistent info from Harvey . Thanks 🙏
I got the table saw from tendotools.com, They are in Belgium. I found them pretty expansive compared to dealers in the Netherlands. But they had this black Edition I liked. I do not where you come from, but in England Axminster trade sell these Harveys under there own label. But you are right that they are not consistent in their marketing and philosophy of branding there products worldwide.
Hooked on Wood Thank you for that! I’m really enjoying your channel.... look forward to the new videos. Cheers from Spain!
Dennis - the sliding table on your Harvey saw has a much longer fence than the Axminster version. Where did you buy this saw ? In Europe or did you ship it from China ?
Hi Tim,
Sorry for my late reply, but I was a week on holiday.
I bought it In Europe. www.tendotools.com/nl/harvey-slidingtable-st1400-black-edition.html
But I see them now more often than last year. It is the same as the saw stop sliding table they use in the USA.
When I bought my table saw, it was in the showroom with this fence and I felt in love with it. It looks Awesome! Of course that is not the best reason to buy something but I just want to have it when I first saw it. It is a nice sliding table/fence but also have some shortcomings. So I do not know if it is worth the extra money over the Axminster trade fence.
Did the sliding part came with your table saw ? i couldnt see it so quickly on the images i found for the table saw. Im looking to make my dw745 a bit better with bigger parts. im not so fond of using the festool invalzaag for not so bulky things.
Hoi Erik, ik doe het even zo in NL. 😀 Hij is gemaakt voor de Harvey tafels. Wat niet wil zeggen dat als je zelf een zaagtafel maak je deze vast wel kan monteren. De sliding table heeft in hoogte verstelbare voetjes en dat geeft enige flexibiliteit. Hij heeft ook alleen een zaagtafel nodig om aan vast gemonteerd te worden.
@@HookedonWood wat is het merk,/type?
@@erikcramer That is the Axminster trade or Harvey S-12 overhead blade guard.
@@HookedonWood Ik bedoelde de sliding table. :D
@@erikcramer sorry, www.tendotools.com/nl/harvey-slidingtable-st1400-black-edition.html
For accurate cuts on my old saw I need to see my pencil mark meet the blade. That view is blocked by the Harvey frame and caster wheel.
(Your English is very good.....just fine.)
Dennis, I appreciate all you share, not to mention your command of my own language, and I look forward to viewing the rest of your excellent videos. I have a slight concern, though. Your use of gloves on the saw contradicts established wisdom. I can see that you are very careful to use push and hold-down devices in a thoughtful way to keep your fingers well away from the rotating blade, to mitigate risk. Nevertheless, how do you address the idea that with machinery, what might have been an accidental, relatively manageable cut on an ungloved digit could be an order of magnitude worse when a moving part catches glove material and drags your hand into a drastic injury? I imagine that you use gloves with other machines, also, for a variety of understandable reasons. I will appreciate your thoughts.
Hi Lee, the way I think about it, is that these well fitted thin gloves will not run your hand in a saw blade, instead the saw blade will cut through it. Like it will with your fingers. So, this believe, is why it doesn't stop me from using them sometimes. But of course I have no experience with that. So because of your comment I thought to give it some time on the internet and see if I can get some information that proves me wrong. And although I saw a few experiments they were all with thick gloves that I also would not recommend using. I saw one example of someone using a thin glove with a saw stop demonstration and this did not give any sign of drawing in to the saw blade.
That said. I did not get overwhelming proof that wearing these thin gloves does not draw you hand in a turning machine either. So, thinking about it and saw some injuries that can happen with gloves in general I am glad you give me a moment to think about it. I do not think the benefits are worth the possible risk. So I do not think I will wear them anymore and you certainly won't see me wearing them in future videos because I don't want to give people the impression that it's common to wear them. Thanks for your comment!
This is the nicest overhead, very similar to what you'd find on an Altendorf or Martin.
Hi Edward. I agree! But it is also very practical to use. After one year I can still highly recomment.
Hi Dennis good to know that it has held up in use. It seems the Harvey folks don't mess about.
Sadly in wood processing Europe innovates and North America imitates, often badly.
Yes everyone I realize Harvey is not European. :)
Thanks for doing your reviews in English... Subbed!
Great video, thank you!
Thanks, it was fun to make. And I have to say, I like the S-12 even more now I use it a bit longer!
Hooked on Wood Awesome, they’re backordered at the moment but I am trying to buy one for my saw. I see the Suva S91 but this looks better in many ways.
Hey Brain, great to see that you interested in this unit and that my review helped more ore less in your process.
I do not know the Suva, but if I look at it, I think the Harvey S-12 is more flexible than the Suva and construction wise, it really is a very nice unit. (Even the bolts and screws are of very high quality.)
What I learned from the S-12 (overhead dust extraction) is that the size of the hood matters. I used it first with the 2 flat shields, so not with the hollow shield. I did this because I thought it would improve the suction because of the smaller area of the hood. But it turns out to be otherwise. You need some volume at the other side of your cut. (because that is where the dust will go to) When you have the hollow shield at this side, it stays nicely in the hood and it will suck 90% of the dust.
I use my table saw on the left side with crosscuts and on the right side with rip cuts, so it is important to have the possibility to get the hollow shield at both sides. The Harvey/Axminster Trade S-12 has this possibility. When I look at the Suva I see that this is fixed and I think that is a disadvantage. Ofcourse I do not change the shield for one cut, but if I make more cuts I like to change it because it makes a lot of difference and I like to keep my shop as clean as possible. The only complain I have is that I wish that the diameter of the pipe was a bit bigger. Because I think that would improve its efficiency even more. That said, the construction with the pipe, and the possibility to swipe it at the side very easily is handy. When I can’t use it, I prefer it out of my way. I can understand that in this construction you do not want a 100cm pipe in front of you all the time.
I change my mind a lot in the beginning if I really needed a overhad blade guard/dust extraction. I think it cost a lot of money and when I finally decided to buy one I really thought I made the wrong decision because of its size. But now after 5 months of using it I am so glad I have this unit. I hate it when I have to make a cut without it. This is when you remember how effective this unit is in dust extraction. And when you have to make a cut without it, it feels so naked and unsafe that you are more careful when you make these cuts. It feels a lot saver with this unit in its place and that is important because it motivates you even more to use it. You will not find any disadvantage to use is. The only time when I can’t use it, is with rip cuts smaller then 50-60mm, then there is to little space between the hood and fence to push the wood through the table saw.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.
Best regards, Dennis
@@HookedonWood Thanks for the detailed insights, very much appreciated. I use my table saw in the same way. I have an Ulmia short stroke slider and so the left side is for crosscutting and the right side for ripping, though I do very little ripping on the table saw. Anywho, this information is very useful, once this guard comes back into stock I think I will buy one.
I think you will like it! Best of luck
Your English is quite good.
I speak English very well. Nog not zo snel, maar dat komt nog wel. Also, if it ain't Dutch, it ain't much.
$1000 us on eBay. sheesh pricey. But i like it
I’m not drunk, I’m just Dutch😀😀😀
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At $ 1,000.00 ! Yowsa!
Yep too much money, but I do not want to live without it. (so to speak)
Every time a saw a person using gloves in a woodshop I just leave the channel. Literally walking accidents waiting to happend. 😖 I hope you are still ok. 😕
I thought you were German.
Sorry Steven, Just Dutch! :-)
Like your videos but i don't like the "music" stuttering sound you use in every transition. It's very annoying. Other than that: 👍
This Axminster video was my first one. A lot happend from that moment and I hope you will see that it improves almost every video. So also your comment is addressed and improved. Thanks for your comment. Appreciated.